/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

we were talking about this in the previous thread. basically a scammer can still cheat you if they want to in a trade, paypal or no paypal.

>>7412713
That's not how paypal claims work in my experience. if the seller has tracking, signed delivery, and insurance, then there is proof that the item was received via the tracking updates. If the buyer then says 'item not as described' they have to send the item back before a refund has to be issued. Using tracking, signed delivery, etc.

Does anyone know how long the Lost in Sea reservation will be up?

>>7412717
As another anon said- empty box scam.

>>7412734
ok I found this

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-claims-Archive/Seller-sent-me-an-empty-box/td-p/198322

Also, I would think, if they ship YOU an empty box, then you can easily do the same to them 'item not as described' and ship back the empty box. If they ship you and empty box saying 'item not as described' but only ship a box back, I believe you can show the weight of the box to paypal to show it was shipped back empty, instead of with your item in it. Or, I guess, you could do what the buyer in that thread was told to do and file a police report.

Or, go through a credit card for the entire transaction and file a charge back as fraud.

>>7412713
oh shit that cray

>>7412745
It's pretty clear from that thread that such a scam would work fairly well... I mean, not a lot of people, sadly, are actually willing to go through the trouble of police reports, etc even when they're out money. And PP are really not willing to give benefit of the doubt in this case.

They probably would be especially damning if they discovered their service was being used as a failsafe for an item trade that would be refunded anyway, not an actual transaction. I don't know, I just don't see the money-exchange method being any safer.

What you could probably do that's mildly safer or at least less complicated is agree to ship on the same day, and if one party doesn't hold their end of the bargain to prove they shipped that-day, file an interception of package claim with the mail service to have your dress sent back to you.

>>7412729
on taobao, they will put it up for a week, on resellers like clobba and spreepicky IDK

>>7412760
>being used as a failsafe for an item trade
Well when you file your claim you shouldn't be stupid enough to say "this was a dress trade," tell them you BOUGHT the dress from the girl who didn't send out. And when they ask why you sent the girl an invoice for the same amount of money, tell them that this girl BOUGHT something from you and that's a separate transaction.

>>7412765
Do you think the other person isn't going to reply to point this out, though...? I mean, they could easily screw you over that way. I don't really see them buying it.

>>7412713
Claire is still fucked because she 1. Did not send the dress so 2. Did not provide tracking. If you don't provide tracking someone can and will open a dispute if their item is not received.

In the bjd hobby, the person with the least feedback on the comm ships first after terms are agreed to. That solves all of this kind of thing.

>>7412808
A person with thousands of positive feedback can flip anytime and scam somebody else.

>>7412788
And if Claire ships out an empty box/damaged dress/pack of fluff, Mary can still file a dispute under "item not as described," correct?

So, if Claire really wants to cheat Mary in this transaction, how would Claire go about doing it? Let's discuss all the loopholes to see if we can improve this sort of trade.

this just makes me never want to trade. ever. holy shit

>>7412713
I am soooo fucking glad this is being discussed. I haven't sold anything on the Internet in years, and I've been afraid to sell or trade anything since PayPal has really started to side with buyers all the time. I have tons of lolita items that don't suit me that I want to sell, but only a few things stand in my way- laziness, lack of seller feedback since I've been hoarding, and the ultimate fear of a scanner cunt ripping me off.

>>7412820
No shit. This just makes me glad my community has regular clothes swap meets. I'm at the point where I'll only sell to someone in person.

>>7412773

What are they going to point out though? Even if the paypal clerk sat down and understood the whole story, the fact is that two invoices were sent, one has a tracking number to show the sale was fulfilled, and the other doesn't. So far as claims cases go, it looks pretty cut and dry that one seller didn't send anything, and so the claim should go towards the buyer.


>>7412813
Thousands of positive feedback is hard to build up, usually those that flip do so because life hands them a mountain of shit and they completely lose control so much so that they can't handle sending out a dress.

Don't forget that the party that's out their money will definitely post on egl, if not the sales comm, because while it might be hard to go file an international police report, it's easy to make a post on livejournal, paypal screencaps are easy to take to prove that things happened.

No dress or doll is really worth burning thousands of positive feedback. This kind of scam is more likely to happen if the girl has nothing to lose, ie- a sock puppet account with zero or no feedback.

Latest purchase is pic related. I'm really excited for it to arrive! I'd never thought I'd own it.

>>7412915
>This kind of scam is more likely to happen if the girl has nothing to lose, ie- a sock puppet account with zero or no feedback
you have a point and i agree with you. however, for me, i don't care what's the reason i'm being shortchanged in a transaction - whether the seller did it with intent, or messed everything up on her end because Life Issues - I don't care, I just don't want all these troublesome affairs. Using methods like >>7412713, for me, are a safeguard against all troublesome sales and trades whether the other party tried to cheat me on purpose or otherwise.

>>7412915
Wait.. what? Why would only one of them have a tracking number? Again, the scamming party can send an empty box to cover themselves on that end.

Paypal does not take photos of ANY kind for proof, as has been discussed recently, so trying to prove there's nothing in the box probably wouldn't go too well.

>>7412952
I wish I could get an army of seagulls to help buy up all of Rosaire's sales then file chargebacks against her for free burando. Scamming slag deserves it.

>>7412962
She'd have to actually ship things out first though, so good luck with that

>>7412994
Is there any proof she actually has taken money and never shipped out? Not late but actually never shipped out.

>>7413002
Yes. Now can we not do this again, especially in a brand new general?

>>7413008

Jesus fucking christ this. There's the scam general thread, it'd fit better there: >7402820

Did anyone see the post on LSE for a WTB with a 3 month payment plan for a prom dress that wouldn't even fit her? It was really whiny and she even asked if SS do payment plans. Someone commented: "Be sure the size fit , cuz japan size is really small"

I'm so confused

>>7413115
>stop telling women to smile :|
>:|
fooking hall people are annoyingly defensive.

>>7413008
Then post it.

>>7413115
This girl pisses me off so much. She's been posting rather frequently, and her photos and coords are complete shit. Half the time her outfit isn't even really visible in the photo, and she always looks like she's high as fuck or something. If that's really the farthest she can open her eyes, that's seriously unfortunate.
Her outfits are hardly lolita, there's always her shitty petticoat falling out, she just throws a bunch of offbrand shit on a skirt and calls it done, and this latest one is beyond comprehension.
Who puts photos like this online? Did the thought that these might be complete shit honestly never cross her mind?
Who "likes" these photos??

>>7413120
Agreed this is awful.

Also she's running the SpringFest NY lolita fashion panel.

>>7413115
I tell the cashier dudes to smile every time I see them (grumpy assholes)
sorry for being caring

>>7413125
How? Isn't she a total noob?

>>7413137
That probably pisses them off.

>>7413137
Yeah, what the hell was that. I'm guessing it's one of those rabid feminists that get upset when a guy tells a girl anything at all ever.

>>7413144
Except the person telling her to smile is a woman? She just has a picture of that guy from The Office as her profile image.

>>7413115
I don't like when someone say that I should smile. Like, I know I should, but if I don't want I don't do it, period.

>>7413115
But really unless it's an occasion where it's appropriate to smile, nobody needs to smile for their own selfie photos. It's not even like her outfit is 'sweet' so smiling would fit the image.

I bet if some dude posted an aristocrat coord with some stuck-up scowl nobody would tell his ass to lighten up. And even then who likes to be told to smile like they're being scolded by their grandmas?
>all those people validating this sexism

>>7413176
I don't like when strangers tell me to smile, but this girl was asking for critique and she has a lovely smile, and it was meant to be friendly, not condescending. Also there is literally no reason to make it about THUH PATRIARCHY

>>7413187
>Also there is literally no reason to make it about THUH PATRIARCHY
Except there literally is because there are literally gender studies out there that conclude that people hold women up to sexist, 'feminine' ideals like smiling, being quiet, and polite?
You say it's not condescending, I call it internalized misogyny.
The bitch could have easily said "You have a nice smile, you should show it more" and it would have been 9000x better than what was posted.

>>7413183
>I bet if some dude posted an aristocrat coord with some stuck-up scowl nobody would tell his ass to lighten up.
I see egdy fedorafags getting told to smile all Facebook all the time, more often than I see girls being told, to be honest.

>>7413196
>edgy fedorafags getting told
Caps? I love these.
But you also have to concede that everyone shits on fedorafags regardless, not normal guys who actually attempt at fashion.

>>7413191
You're really looking way too into this. Girl is smiling in her propic, so it's not like this is a foreign concept to her. If you're posting a picture to a group meanmugging and scowling, male or female, people are going to ask why you look so upset/why you aren't smiling.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the patriarchy, and everything to do with her looking miserable in her photos.

>>7413201
>You're really looking way too into this.
Not really, it's true.
Women can be subconsciously misogynistic just like men can. That's society.
>Girl is smiling in her propic, so it's not like this is a foreign concept to her
And? What if she was trying to go for a 'fierce' look and didn't want to smile?
Like you said, she's obviously capable of smiling but for these pictures she chose not to.
It doesn't merit a comment, and it's super annoying how people think they're being so proper and clever for remarking about it.

>inb4 whiteknight, I think her outfits are shit too

>>7413205
I like Taira a lot ! She looks like a lioness, so fierce.

>>7413201
Why would you assume that because someone isn't smiling they're upset or angry?

>be me
>have serious face when I'm thinking or staring
>people always ask me what's wrong
>there's nothing fucking wrong with me that's just my face

>>7413213

Ah, me too. I'm dressed like a cupcake and accidentally scowling at everyone

>>7413213
Because in photos, people generally try to look as appealing as possible, since the image is going to be stuck there. I know plenty of girls with resting bitch face, and while no one expects you to smile all the time irl, if it's a quick snap, it's usually an unconscious thing to give a smile before going back to neutral.

My issue isn't even that she's not smiling; it's that she can't be arsed to open her eyes/not look like she's on fucking drugs.
Smiling might at least make the edges of her eyelids crinkle up and look cute.

What are some good secondhand shops along the lines of lolitadesu, closet child etc.? I'm not a noob I swear, just never explored buying things secondhand other than through the sales comm, but I need to flesh out an outfit for an upcoming convention for a brand that doesn't have what I want currently.

>>7413255
Maiden clothing is pretty good.

Hello ladies, I had a quick question about the quality of mintymix.
There's a short brown wig there that I am in love with. Are their wigs worth their prices and quality or should I keep moving?

>>7413278
I bought her brown and blonde bob split wig, the fibres are wonderful quality and are easy to maintain, I've had mine over 6 month now with no issues.

>>7413281
Excellent- that's the wig I want. Thankyou!

>>7413284
If you want any pics I'll leave my throwaway email.

do sellers get an email if you message them on lacemarket? Trying to get in touch with someone if their expired auction is still available but not sure if they will be notified of my message

>>7413321
Yep. I don't think anyone would bother using a site that didn't notify you of PMs.

>>7413323
ok just making sure there weren't any bugs and what not. Thanks!

>something vaguely/possibly feminist mentioned
>"MUH PATRIARCHY FEMINISTS R DUMB"
>eugh

>>7413137
>>7413144
I agree with >>7413143 in that it generally pisses people off. Not even concerning whether it's sexist--tell anyone they need to smile when they don't want to, and it probably pisses them off. I know it does for me and a lot of my friends because we talk about how it's fucking annoying.

The girl in question still looks like a trainwreck though, no contest.

Thoughts on AP's Sweetie Violet?

>>7413338
i don't care about it whatsoever but other people seem to like it

but that shit is so damn short

>>7413343
I agree. It doesn't even hit the model's knees, and they're probably short as heck already.

I want Matsuri to get here to see what they're selling at the booths. I've got 600 dollars saved up, and am eager to see if they have dresses I want

is this anyone else right now?

You shall be mine soon~

>>7413356
Me too! I'm just afraid it's going to be either sold out before I can get to the vendor room or they didn't have anything I wanted to begin with!

>>7413380
Haha, right?

I have the presale badge, so fingers crossed

>>7413383
I didn't think that far ahead! Oh well there's next year. I'm going to the Putmayo tea party too.

Does anyone know of anywhere that has decent classic style blouses in brown? I'm trying to match Royal Carousel and all I can find is white, Ivory, or black in classical style. I even looked at more sweet styles and I can find pinks, blues, and yellows, but still no brown.

>>7413373
i wonder where meta traced the clocks from this time.

>>7413373
Based
Op is clearly best cut

>>7413425
>Based

What does this even mean in this context/

Reply to last thread, because I like to try and be helpful when I can.

>>7408019

It's okay quality and can look pretty cute. Keep your first coord simple like pic related.

>>7413398
It's not a big brand, but Infanta' Moon's Elegy blouse comes in brown. It's a classic-styled chiffon blouse. I have it in burgundy, and it's quite nice.

>>7413465
Brand doesn't really matter to me, I'd just be happy with anything so I'll definitely check it out.

>>7412745
Just thought of a way to get around the empty box scam.. Possibly.

One time I sent a huge return back, and I noticed I didn't get refunded for all my items, so I had to send a scanned receipt to prove the weight.

However someone could just send like a dud item that was around 500g just to get the correct weight on the box.. But the original person had a receipt and the person who returned the item had one and the weight completely didn't match by a few hundred grams.. Dunno I've confused myself

I am about to sell several pieces from my wardrobe in order to restructure it/help center it around a theme, but I don't know how I should go about it. Does anyone who has done this before have advice?

>>7413630
It has happened to a few people on eBay. It's known as the brick in the box scam heres a link:
http://tamebay.com/2010/07/the-brick-in-a-box-scam.html

Can i get a headcount/reasons for lolitas that actively wear and buy but don't take photographs and keep blogs?
Quite a few of my friends don't post photos of their coords online and I'm wondering if I was mistaken for thinking that every lolita posted their coords online in the first place.

>>7413721
I post my outfits when it's something new, but most of my daily, repetitive and plain lolita outfit wouldn't interest anyone so I don't post. A lot of lolitas also just wear lolita at certain events, and they put a lot of thought in a sole outfit so they want to share it. It really depend on how often you are wearing lolita and how creative you are with it.

>>7413721

Active wearer of goth, classic, otome and mori here, and not posted a photo of myself online once. I've never been one for social networking/blogging mind you, it just doesn't appeal to me.

>>7413721
Because of sandy cunts on /cgl/.

>>7413809
Yo

>>7413323
deviantart still doesn't fucking do this, all my rage
(yes, I know,
>being on dA
but as an example...)

>>7413721
Right here. Sometimes pictures of me get posted on Facebook/my friends' Tumblrs, but I never post anything myself. Partly because I don't have a good enough camera and partly because I just can't be bothered.

How do I join the Japan Lolita Association?

>>7413338
I love the print but the cuts and length are so fucking infantile, and I'm short myself. Godammit, AP...

>>7414009
I don't think you can. You have to be appointed/invited, as I understand?

>>7413683
1/2

(This is going to be kinda long, apologies in advance.)

Take what you have and sort it into theme(s) and pick out pieces that don't really fit in anywhere. From there remove pieces that you don't wear or don't see yourself wearing (use questions like; does it fit right? do I look good in this colour? is the fabric suitable for my climate?) Now look at how your pieces fit within your wardrobe. Anything that doesn't match at least x amount of other items can be put into the sale pile. After all of this take all of your sale items and put them away, out of sight. If you miss any of these sale pieces and wish to have them back then you should perhaps rethink selling them, if not then they should all be good to go.

From this point look at how your themes work together. It may not be necessary to have just one theme in your wardrobe, you could use one broader one or pick 2 or so that work well together (the latter will really help add some variety to your outfits.)

Now look at the colours in your wardrobe, do they work well together? If so then you're off to a great start, if not you may have to come up with a more specific colour palette for your wardrobe (normally this is something you'd do first up as a beginner but since you're already somewhat established we'll have to work backwards.)

Personally, I centered my wardrobe around the colours brown and pink, but I've since been expanding my wardrobe by adding in reds and blues. Try to pick colours that connect with the theme of your wardrobe, for me brown was an obvious choice since I own lots of chocolate themed pieces.

>>7414138
2/2

Now that you've re-shuffled your wardrobe you may start to notice holes in it. I found that I needed an extra blouse here and there in order to make more outfits. In the end what I did was make a list of all items I needed and ranked them in order of most usefulness. Pieces that matched the most amount of stuff in my wardrobe were ranked higher and were the first things I bought. Eventually I worked down the list and even added to it as more coord ideas came to mind.

After all of this you should have clearer idea of the themes and colour palette of your wardrobe. I know some people who stick religiously to it and others who go all over the place. Honestly, the latter can make building coordinates quite hard and can also be quite costly. Personally, I prefer sticking to a general guide since it's pretty good on my wallet and also makes getting dressed a lot easier. Also, when items pop up for sale I can make a pretty quick decision as to whether or not I'll be able to coordinate it with stuff straight out of my closet.

Sorry for the rambling and best of luck to you!

>>7413343
where are you getting the measurements from?

>>7413721
I don't
I don't have a good camera nor anyone to take the photos for me.

>>7412706
Is anyone here a fan of Mödernaked? They're having a 40% sale until sunday!

>>7414348
Is there a code to get the 40% off? I don't seem to see any mark downs.

>>7414358
Ah, yeah! It's AWESOME40

>>7414348
>Mödernaked
Rings are about the only thing going for them.
Everything else is boring as butthole.

>>7414373
Good thing the rings are their main focus then?
I like the backpacks though. And their old line of sunglasses. But yeah, mostly their rings.

>>7414052
Sorry, let me rephrase, how do I apply?

I remember someone translated the site when it was first launched. Was there a translation of the application page too?

was there any interest in this release and did anyone snag one?

i'm sad that the stripes aren't aligned but overall i think it's really pretty.

>>7413373
I want this so bad but I just...I want to see it in person but I feel like once I do it will be sold out and ugh.

>>7413721
I post really good photos but I certainly don't keep just a lolita blog (who has the time?), and boring or repetitive outfits don't really make the cut.

>>7414535
That's generally how Meta goes, it feels like. Humming and hawwing forever over whether I want it, and by the time I see beautiful irl pictures, it's gone and you can never find anything secondhand. Suffering.

Anyone know if Krad Lanrete does custom sizing? I can't into moonrunes and want to know if I could possibly get it in my size.

>>7414638
>>7414604
There was absolutely no reason to ask this in two threads because you were impatient for an answer, especially an answer you could easily google.
>http://clobbaonline.com/index.php?p=1_58

>>7414639
2 threads = more exposure. Additionally, you could have just answered me.
But thanks anyways, bitch.

>>7414642
More exposure during the quiet hours of a slow board. Lurk harder next time, newfag.

Does anyone know the process of ordering mooks through AP?

>>7414499
I thought the black x white ones sold out pretty quickly, but I haven't seen it in stores (even samples)
and yeah... the misaligned stripes are really off-putting

I'm more curious to see pic related in person tbh, all the colorways are quite appealing

>>7414841
If you're referring to cinema doll, you don't. They are sold through bookstores like the Baby ones are.

why hello there~

>>7414140
>>7414138
Thank you, anon.
Yeah, I'm hoping to move toward a colour palette (or two, perhaps) to make things easier, as right now my wardrobe is so all over the place that it's much harder/more expensive to plan outfits.
Now it's just a matter of separating my emotional attachment to the pieces from their usefulness/fit within my wardrobe.

>>7414841
I know angelic pretty San Fran site had the sugary carnival mooks up last time
Just keep an eye on their site after it's released

>>7415365
ohdearlord

Come on, fuzzy little baby bats, let's give her some ideas~!

>>7415365

You can always tell a South American by their noob speak and kawaii goth anime icons.

>>7415365

Spreading My Wings: Behind The Bows???

Mar. 5th, 2014 at 4:03 PM


Helllo there, fellow fuzzy baby bats! Well, since this is my first post here, I want to make somethings clear.

1st- This journal won't only have as an topic lolita/gothic fashion because I find really annoying to post only about one thing. I enjoy various things, so you might be just scrolling here in the future and find something totally different from some "normal" posts. Just DEAL WITH IT.
2nd- I use the therm "Spreading Wings" or "To Spread Wings" for revealing one's opinion. Because I'm a bat. And that's how bats speak. It's bat-talk.

So my 1st "Spreading My Wings" will be about something that I saw yesterday here and that reaaaallly annoyed me. There is this Live Journal community called Behind The Bows, once called Lolita Secrets. I was expecting something really fun, like...REAL Lolita secrets! Like when you buy kawaii heart-shaped handbags from children fashion stores. But what I saw there was a TRUE SHAME for the entire lolita community!

CWBQe74
(Oldschool is fucking awesome, and is the traditional Lolita. Show some RESPECT for it!)

These are only examples of things they post. Now I really don't want to bash the journal itself, but yes the users who post this stuff.

At the same time, I was surprised for seeing posivite things such as this:


But this image above is an isolated case. Seriously. Come on guys! Lolitas should be united! We should have every single day more followers of Lolita so we can conquer the world so we can rule it and make everything motherfucking kawaii create a strong community and make it more popular! (Stop being such a hipster). But then what happens? THIS:


Dear Lolita Community, please stay strong and kind. We don't need brand whores. We need lots of yen loyal and friendly followers. Just get a hold of your pettis and stop being like this.

Sincerely, a Gothic Lolita.

>>7415385
Well... I actually don't like labels, but I use them to short-define my VARIOUS personalities. I'm a gothic lolita, rocker, goth (even though I don't like this therm due to its misunderstandings), otaku/cosplayer, nerd/gamer and a complete freak when it comes to literature.

And I'm a baby bat. Not like a goth-community-status baby bat. I'm a real baby bat. You actually can't see it, but I have bat wings and I sleep upside down while looking incredibly kawaii. I'm just saying that you never said a motherfucking cute baby bat and me on the same place, so... e.e

>>7415389
>I'm a real baby bat. You actually can't see it, but I have bat wings and I sleep upside down

Er.
Uhm.
Do we have an age? I know she said she lived with her mom, maybe she's just a super weeb?

>>7415389
She makes me embarrassed to be a gothic lolita, goddamn.

>>7415385

Look at the links on the top of her journal.

>User info=know your ruler
>Memories=my dark past

So dark and edgy you guyz~

She knows about BtB, so guess what i'm making.

>>7415432
It had better be a goddamn painted skirt because the last thing the lolita community needs is meanie brandwhores like YOU!

But seriously wtf is this girl

>>7415389
Sounds like she's a little bit...
BATTY

*ba dum psh*

>>7415434
I feel like whenever I go on EGL all I see are "omg so new to lolita~!" posts- it isn't even summer yet.

>>7415434

Lol w/e bitch. You stay jelly in your cheap ass Bodyline.

Seriously though, does this elusive brandwhore even exist? You hear noobs bitching about them all the time, but the 'worst' I see is people warning others to beware of BL's hit and miss quality. Never 'omg you only own Bodyline gtfo my fashion bitch' like noobs imply. People do recommend saving up for brand, but that's because brand does tend to be the best quality, and you can't deny that.

>>7415454
I think we all forget about ___ifwinterends and her most elite brandwhore-isms.

>wah, BL is a sex shop
>abloobloobloo taobao is cheap quality
>brand is the one true god~!@!

>>7415454
>brand does tend to be the best quality, and you can't deny that.

Oh my poor naive anon, yes they can and they will. I've seen all-out wars on tumblr when some derp posts that Bodyline is SUPERIOR to brand quality (which they've never experienced in person) and that anyone who buys brand is thoroughly retarded.

The itas and noobs will always surprise you with the different stupid things that can come out of their mouths.

I'm glad my noob-ita phase was short and the most obnoxious thing I did was complain about not having enough money for stuff.

>>7415459
She keeps saying that anything from a non-Japanese brand is a rip off of burando. I'm a bit of a brand snob (as in I have a preference for brand, but that includes decent indie brands) but this is ridiculous. She said that the Lolita Lady's Room print by Haenuli looked like a rip off of AatP's Marionette in My Closet Room. They look nothing alike apart from the general theme. There are plenty of dresses with similar prints. If anything, they're both ripping off Meta's Room print. But of course she doesn't know about that because she got into lolita in 2011 or something and that print came out 6 or so years ago (just looked it up, it was indeed 6 years ago - I seem to have an odd knack of guessing the exact year pieces came out).

>>7415432
Haha, I forgot to copy and paste that too. Please do. I really hope she sees it.

>>7415459

Shit, totally forgot about her. Have you seen her posts on the Korean indie brands? They're ripping off the poor Japanese brand I tell you! (did I mention I live in Japan?).

>>7415469

I have heard of these retarded tumblr itas, but I don't venture onto tumblr so i've never seen it for myself. I mean, some of BL's stuff is decent quality, but to say it's above brand? Come on girls, aint nothing wrong with lesser quality garments, so long as they're still acceptable. My immediate thought is that they know their BL is inferior quality, and they can't accept that. Then again, we've got some crazy bitch saying she's a kawaii goth bat, so anything goes.

I know bitches have bummed Oo Jia and DoL before, saying people are stupid to pay for brand when they can get the same thing for less. Bitch, your fucking Twilight aint the same as my Orwell.

>>7415485

>Bitch, your fucking Twilight aint the same as my Orwell.

This. Even outside of lolita I hate when people insist you're getting the same thing for a cheaper price. Uh, no. If its cheaper then its not the same. My mom is a huge offender, she insists that the jeans from Walmart are exactly the same as the jeans from Abercrombie, as an example. No, you're just cheap and you're satisfied with subpar pants if you can get them for under $15.

Someone posted a WTB for AatP's Gloria JSK for a grand total of $170-250. Lol.

This hasn't been released by Ista Mori yet, right?
I need this dress.

>>7415365
UGH WHAT A FUCKING CONDESCENDING BITCH

>>7415828
Who? The bat-girl? ___ifwinterends? Wonderfinch?

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>>7415828
>>7415851
I think probably the bat chick, her posts are so fucking fake and childish I feel like she's talking down to people. Not that ifwinterends is any better.

>>7415828
God I want to slap this bitch. People who ask stupid questions and then act like this are so annoying. Even __ doesn't make rage so much.

>>7415856
I kind of agree with ___ifwinterends on that topic, though. The way she made it sound was that she was going to copy other brands prints (while putting a spin on it?) with fucking fabric paint. Which is kind of replica/theft. I mean, sort of. It would depend on how it came out, of course.

But, damn, I looked over that post and bat-girl is fucking annoying. Someone needs to tell her not to be such a bitch.

>>7415469
The problem is newbie people think that "quality" means "resistant to damage" or "zipper doesn't break the first time I try it on" and while that's part of it, it also encompasses the quality of the design, craftsmanship, fabric, and detailing. Bodyline is perfectly wearable and often cute, but brand items have so much attention to detail. Many of IW's simple non-print items for example use custom lace, buttons, and even lining with little "IW" logos embossed into it. You'll never see that level of detail and customization from BL. And BL rarely creates original designs. Most of the dress cuts are very basic, or watered-down imitations of brand dresses or even anime outfits.

>>7415761
My body is so fucking ready for this dress. I can't wait to hear more about it.

>>7413183
I know your feel. "Smile!" is definitely a line that exists in the creeper/sexual harassment toolkit, in my experience. And for that reason the phrase carries a bit more weight than its literal meaning.

>>7413137
>demanding a display of emotion that may or may not even be there

Confirmed for jerk

Copying and pasting this from the old thread, didn't realize there was a new one until I already posted it...

I really love the look of rocking horse shoes, but although I'm not tall, I'm not exactly short either (5'6").

I'm a sweet lolita and I just think adding 3" to my height wouldn't look good with sweet, I would then be 5'9 and it wouldn't look as cutesy if I was that tall (in my opinion)

I'm not trying to offend anyone taller, it's just my own insecurity and concerning myself only, I've always wanted to be shorter... what do you guys think, is 5'6" + 3" with rocking horse shoes too tall for sweet lolita? (I can see it working for other styles, though)

Should I just get over myself and try it out anyway?

pic related it what I would get if I did buy them

>>7416250
Just get over yourself.
I'm 5'8

>>7416255
Out of curiosity, do you also wear them as a sweet lolita?

I may as well though, they're pretty cheap.

>>7416250
I'm 5'7 and wore mine with DDC. Both black though and I usually wear them with Gothic. I did feel kind of tall. I like them better with oldschool plainer sweet or gothic, they look better to me. I always think tea parties look cutest with people wearing sweet. It's a little odd to have someone in pastel loom over me if I'm wearing flats. It's happened twice. That said though (since you asked opinion), I please myself first in what I wear.

>>7415432

>>7416250
why is there half of a tree attached to the bottom of those shoes?

>>7416314
>>7415385
to be fair, i used to do stuff like that when i was 14, and nobody made fun of me doing so back then, so i don't want to traumatise her teenagehood by going hard on her.

>>7416328
>implying BL would use actual wood

I just came across some porn of a lolita in BTSSB by accident. What are the odds? She actually kept her burando on while doing the deed.

http://www.xvideos.com/video3521291/javblog4u.com_herg-006_full_videos

>>7416340
Not going to click it (even for science)...but if it's the one people talk about, it's just a replica.

>>7416328
RHS created originally in 1985...

>>7416388
the first minute is safe and actually cute, but no it's totally slow motion bouquet, the 2007 release in pink.

>>7416329
She needs shutting down or she will just continue with it. There is enough despondency at LJ EGL without this kind of thing running amuk.
>speshul batflakes {grumbles}

>>7416258
No, I wear platforms though. I'm mature sweet though, I wouldnt wear pastels coz they look like dicks on me but nobody can tell how tall you are in a photo unless they go autistic and start using trigonometry.

>>7415861
You people are insane about this replica/ art theft shit in lolita. Her copy will probably look like shit, she won't be selling it, so who the hell cares if her mom paints some crappy design inspired by MMM on a skirt? I really doubt most of you cared even 1/100th as much about "art theft" until you started wearing burando.

>>7416388
>>7416388
Neither of the ones I've seen have had replicas. I thought that was about the Midsummer's Night Dream one that wasn't even porn?

This has an oldish Baby dress (Slow Motion like the other anon said) and there isn't even a replica of it. It's Japanese anyway and there aren't exactly many replicas there, especially of old prints.

http://lolibrary.org/apparel/slow-motion-bouquet-jsk-2007

>>7416397
>assuming she will be standing alone in them. Not that it's a thing if she likes them but I can understand fearing to look like a giant pastel frilly puff too.

>>7416250
Try on 3" regular heels with the sweet things just to see how it looks and feels with that height, maybe?

I couldn't find a better thread to post this in and I didn't want to make a new thread, so I'll just use this one instead. I'm going to a class field trip to Paris from the 17th to the 22nd. Out of curiosity I want to go to the BtSSB shop, but I'm not sure if I can find it. I could look for it on my own, but it would be easier if I could meet up with some French anon. A-anyone up for it?

>>7416406
Afraid of people thinking shes a giant?
Poo poo, then they would be terrible company. Tall anon can go smush them for their ignorance

>>7416451
Why don't you make a post on egl or on a facebook french group ? I'm sure they would gladly organize a little meet for you,a s they do for Fanny Rosie next month.

>>7414348
These remind me of the jewellery here which I think is nicer: http://www.nachbijoux.com/en/

Is there anyway to get around being blacklisted on a brand's website? The emails from them went to my spam and I forgot to check them and subsequently to pay. This was with Innocent World and I know a few other people here were banned for similar reasons too. Should I just use a shopping service and have to pay 20% extra? What would happen if they found out that I hired a SS?

>>7416471
>as they do for Fanny Rosie
Not everyone is a Fanny Rosie. If Fanny Rosie came to my town I'd go crazy glorious extravagant meeting her.
just sayin'

I'm so fucking mad. I just pulled out my Haenuli Stained Glass jsk because I was thinking about selling it. I've never even worn it; it's just been sitting in my closet since I got it. And what do I see on it? Fucking runs! Hairline little runs all over it! Probably can't get shit for it now.

I have no idea how I got them...unless my cat did it. But his hair isn't on it and I don't see any claw puncture marks on it. But if he did it...man. I've never been for declawing, but fuck. I just got back from taking him to the vet a few days ago. So the vet bill plus this dress means the little fuck has cost me $700 this week.

>>7416451
Anon, the others are like "you're not Fanny Rosie blablabla". Don't worry ! The French community organizes meets for foreigners coming there. I'm not in France atm or else I'd gladly have met up with you (I already did with an American lolita). Throwaway email in the field if you need any info about tea places/loli stuff/anything in Paris. Enjoy !

>>7416530
pics? whats the climate at your place like?

>>7416530
Declawing? Bitch I will come cut off all your fingertips if you do since declawing is the same as removing your finger down to the first joint.

>>7416562
>neutering/ spaying
> cutting an animal's fucking balls off or performing painful, invasive surgery on the females
> " It's totally a good idea, even if the animal lives inside because it makes them less aggressive, destructive, etc etc. They won't piss on your stuff, etc. In fact, it's the responsible thing to do."

>declawing
>cutting the claws off by surgical methods
> "OMG YOU SADISTIC PIECE OF SHIT! HOW SELFISH ARE YOU TO HURT YOUR ANIMAL LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE TEARING THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR EXPENSIVE ITEMS!!1!

>>7416571
It's not just cutting their claws off. It's fucking cutting their fingertips off. It causes the animal's behavior to change and become more destructive.

If you don't spay/neuter animals and prevent them from mating, they are at higher risk for cancer. Are you going to argue that hysterectomies/vasectomies are inhumane?

Torturing your pet because they clawed one dress is disgusting and I hope you and the owner of the dress get chronic yeast infections.

>>7415436
This made me smile.

>>7416571
>>7416579 has a point. Look carefully at this diagram. Note that declawing doesn't just remove the claw itself, but the entire first joint of the paw surrounding it.

>>7416530
please only get your cat declawed if its young

older cats almost never recover 100% from a declaw. kittens and cats 1-2 years old usually do.

>source: worked at a vet clinic for 5+ years

>>7416591
This, and the pain never goes away. The cat will be in pain for the rest of its life. Every step will be agonizing. It will stop using its litter box because the litter will hurt its paws even more, and will start going in piles of clothes, or even your bed.

>>7416595
Or don't do it at all. There is a reason it's against the law in many countries.

>>7416571
Neutering and spaying prevent several types of cancer and babies, and a long list of other mental and personality problems. Declawing prevents a cat from walking correctly, having any natural defense, and othet things. Often a nail or two grows back from the severed bone stump causing complications later in life. Declawed cats are prone to wounds of the feet, and infections of the stumos throughout their lives... unlike spay and neuter surgeries. Also because if havung to relearn how to walk on 50% of their feet they are prone to hip and joint problems, and in general live shorter and unhealthier lives.

Shut your fucking closet door.

>>7416595
Ex-vetployees unite. Together we shall fight the good fight of telling people not to do the horrible things we've seen. :(

Seriously people, take this to /an/ or go back on topic

>>7416562
>>7416571
>>7416579
>>7416591
>>7416595
>>7416601
>>7416602
>>7416603
>>7416610
Okay enough now. I know there are a lot of cat lovers among lolitas but start your own cat thread. OP didn't actually de-claw her cat yet, and this is Lolita General not Animal-Loving General. Now just fucking show us photos of the hairlines on the print. I want to see.

>>7416579
>It causes the animal's behavior to change and become more destructive.

Lol, that's fine because they won't have anything to be destructive with.

> you don't spay/neuter animals and prevent them from mating, they are at higher risk for cancer. Are you going to argue that hysterectomies/vasectomies are inhumane?

Hey, did you know if you remove your lung, it'll decrease the chance of getting lung cancer? Btw, a forced vasectomy would be pretty fucking inhumane. What kind of retarded question...

>I hope you and the owner of the dress get chronic yeast infections.

I hope you get a new, never before discovered STD from all that animal dick I'm sure you're enjoying.

>>7416530
>>7416571
I'm so sorry about your dress, have you washed it at all? Anyone else live in your house? I have a chiffon dress that has snags and runs in it from both the fabric being delicate and my stupid old maid machine washing it.

It's probably best to keep a cat free room/closet, use citrus sprays or bitter apple sprays in the area or on the floor to deter them from it, and lift them out of the area. My cats know that they're not supposed to go in there and usually stay out, keeping a closed door also helps. I have 6 cats and they do like to claw and swat at my waist ties and dresses, I've gotten a couple snags from them, but keeping their claws clipped and my dresses away usually prevents this. You don't seem angry at your cat, so that's good, just repeating what other anons have said so vehemently and I'm sure you know; declawing is bad. Also to the other anon, neutering is better for the cats health in the long run, helps them get along with other cats, and decreases aggression in general. We also have enough stray dogs/cats in the world so it's always good to neuter.

>>7416530
Can you post pictures of the damage?

It's kind of weird, I'm thinking of how you can pull a thread through the weave of a silk or shantung, so I want to see exactly what the damage is, maybe it can be coaxed back into place?

>>7416628
To me it sounds like there are hairline cracks in the print...
>Hairline little runs all over it!

>>7416624
You're fucking retarded. Unplug your computer and hang yourself with the power cord now, plz.

What do people normally pay for kera magazines? I have one from 2003 with the stickers and everything still inside.

>>7416631
oh weird, I don't think a cat did that... I'm curious which items it was sandwiched in between in her closet.

Okay, veterinary student here. You want to know why my country has banned the practise of declawing? Because it's fucking a cruel, debilitating surgery. You permanently damage your cats fine tuned gait. Don't want your cat clawing your stuff? Work with your pet. There are numerous behavioural exercises you can do to stop them clawing stuff. Buy a scratching post, buy those fucking claw covers, but do not declaw your cat. You're not just removing the claw, but part of the toe. Cats walk on their toe, so you alter their gait. This can have serious long term side effects, on top of negative behavioural changes.

The only upside the declawing is that it stops your cat clawing your stuff. It's the lazy man's solution to a problem that can be solved by being proactive.

>>7416634
People who would tell someone to kill themselves over cat surgery are the most retarded kinds of people. Go back to sucking off horses at peta. I'll be having two steaks tonight in honor of you.

>>7416702
>>7416624

It has being scientifically proven that spay/neuter reduces the risk of certain cancers.

>they won't have anything to be destructive with.

How about their teeth? And the vet bill for the crippled joints?

>Btw, a forced vasectomy would be pretty fucking inhumane.

This analogy is retarded. Animals do not give a shit about being desexed, they don't even notice. For it to be inhumane, it would have negatively effect them mentally or physically, which it doesn't. What is inhumane is causing suffering through negligence, which is what happens when dumb arse pet owners let their pets breed willy-nilly. So many animals are born on the streets or left to rot in shelters because of the over population. Unlike with people though, we can do something about it.

>>7416571

>cutting an animal's fucking balls off or performing painful, invasive surgery on the females

All you do is perform a tiny incision in the scrotum and remove the testis. A good vet can do it without any blood. As for spays. Again, tiny incision, and there's no pain. Desexing has been proven to reduce the risk of cancers, and if you let your pet out it is responsible. The amount of unwanted puppies and kittens I have put down, born to unsexed pets is ridiculous.

>cutting the claws off by surgical methods

It's frightening, just how misinformed you are. You're not just removing the claw, you're removing part of the toe bones with it. Cats walk on their toes, so you end up fucking their gait up. A fucked up gait means fucked up joints. Think of the argument about how high heels fucks a woman's legs up. It's been proven that declawing fucks cats up. There's a reason a fuckton of countries have banned it.

>>7416530
Ehh, I bet you could still sell it for a bit over half price, it was pretty popular when it came out and is hard to get a hold of now. Seconding the requests for pics; depending on the damage, I would consider buying it myself.

>>7416530

Would you email me the damage pictures? I might seriously be interested in purchasing it, and have the money ready if need be

>>7416541
>>7416628
>>7416741

This is the probably the biggest run. You can see it doesn't just go through the print. In fact, most of the runs are just through parts of the fabric. And it's on the front and back of the skirt.

I had it sandwiched between my Le Cadre du Chat and a normalfag dress, but nothing with spikes or beads or embellishments.

At first I thought I might be able to steam the runs in the plain black fabric parts, but when I saw it through the print, I knew it was fucked.

I know I could sell it for some, but I thought you know, sought after print, in never worn condition, etc, could catch a pretty good price.

Oh well, I guess I might just wear it now. The runs aren't really noticeable if you just wear it normally, but they're bad enough to severely hurt the resale for a community as picky as lolita.

As for the stuff about the declawing that has now been deleted, I'll just say that it isn't about one dress. It's several issues over time, and I've tried alternatives. I even went through hell to put caps on him, and he hated them so much that I would find whole claws he ripped out. I've always been pretty against declawing him actually, even when my SO insisted on it. I can dream about doing it though, but he's already so traumatized from being neutered (he hid under the bed for two days, pissing himself after that) that I really can't afford to make him afraid of vets even more than he is now. And that's the end of that issue.

>>7416250
It's not like having taller shoes makes your dress shorter on you

>>7416765
Anon, my Royal Kitten has the same thing. I bought it second hand, so I can't tell you if it's a cat problem, but now I'm worried about my Wolf in Frame running...

>>7416530
>I've never been for declawing, but fuck.
And you still better not be. Stop complaining and being selfish. What happened to the dress sucks but don't complain about your cat.

>>7416765

Anon, as a veterinary student I would advise you not to get him declawed. The anatomical and psychological issues he'll have down the line will be distressing for both of you, and costly in further vet bills the long run. People that say there's no bad side effects are lying, and that includes vets.

As much as it hurts, if you've tried everything including behavioural exercises, the kindest thing you can do is rehome him. Look up the negatives of declawing, and you'll understand why it's classed as animal cruelty in many countries.

>>7416765
That looks more like the fabric than a cat's doing to me?

Also since no one is offering an alternative solution when they discourage the idea of declawing (which, for the record, I don't support, either), here's something you may be interested in?

softclaws.com/index.php?pet=cat

>>7416828

I was venting, and I never have written that I'm actually going to do it? I even said I was just dreaming about doing it, but I don't want him to associate the vet with even more trauma since his being neutered was a nightmare.

If this dress was actually ruined by him, which I have my doubts about anyway, it would be the first time it's been him messing with clothes. That is part of what makes this so surprising to me.

The real issues are furniture (which to be honest, I don't care about that much. It's not that noticeable and he uses his scratching post 99% of the time), his anxiety when I leave (I will never be able to have a house with carpet at the front door. He's extremely clingy to me, and when I leave, he stands at the door and cries. At my old house he would try to dig under the door to get to me every time I left, and it ruined the carpet), and his aggressive behavior. I don't know how to fix his aggression. He is already neutured. He was not very affectionate as a kitten, much more hyper and aggressive than other cats I had, but I don't think that's the main issue. My ex was psycho and would come up and smack the cat whenever I'd pet him because he was jealous that the cat liked me better. He'd also play with the cat by wrestling with him, and he'd fucking squeeze the cat's paw or start to crush him with his body weight until the cat would cry in pain. So now I have a grown ass cat that thinks it's 100% appropriate to bite and scratch the fuck out of people for play time. Vet said it's extremely hard behavior to unlearn. Inb4 use other toys. He has so many damn toys.

>>7416838
It probably is the fabric's doing. And I said I had used caps on him before, but he hates them so much that he rips his claws out, as in his actual claws.

God damn, the cat thing made it into behind the bows...

>>7416866
Claw cap anon here--good luck, it's shame your cat can't stand them. I wish I could give you more advice about cat behavior but I'm not familiar enough to know...

>>7416866
It's a very silly show, but my cat from hell has lots of very useful information on aggressive and hard to handle cats (helped me with my whiney cat a lot) maybe looking it up could give you some ideas

And to get back on topic
I can't believe how cute that Marine Fairy dress is... I'm not huge into sailor lolita but it looks fluffy and sweet and I wish it hadn't sold out

>>7416866
>but I don't want him to associate the vet with even more trauma since his being neutered was a nightmare.
Anon might be trying to stop you from declawing future cats, since with this reasoning you don't seem to be opposed to declawing specifically.

But! Let's not get banned by starting this debate up again. /an/ would be happy to hear everyone's opinions. Anyone who doesn't know what happened, check out the archives.

I'm sorry you had to deal with an animal abuser in your life! Good that he's out, he's obviously violent and has no sense of boundaries. I hope nothing else bad happened that you're not talking about.
Since you're thinking about wearing yourself, maybe you'll find that you really like it. It's a beautiful dress.

>>7416902
That dress is amazing! I'm really excited for it to pop up in the secondhand sites. Any idea what we should expect to see it for?

>>7416920
I tried it on the Haenuli jsk on and it just doesn't suit me, and it never will. I think I will have to sell it for the deflated price, but probably to someone I know locally and not on the Internet. I'm expecting someone to track me down and throw red paint on me if I go that route. Sage for beating a dead horse.

>>7416765
>and he hated them so much that I would find whole claws he ripped out
I'm saying this in hopes that it will make you feel better about the caps, but their claws naturally shed layers, like an onion. If you do not clip your cat's claws regularly and you cap them so the cat cannot do it on it's own, they get thick and gross. The caps naturally fall off with the nail layers, or are chewn off with nail layers, or the nail just grows through them and sticks out the end. So unless you saw a bloody disgusting cat finger on your floor, (because the reason you have to sever the digit through the center to declaw is because the nail is a part of the finger's actual bone,) you did not do anything cruel. They ARE meant to be temporary and you have to replace them when they are outgrown... you can't just put them on once and expect them to be a permanent cure for whatever you have against your cat being a cat.

>>7417006
How much are you pricing it at? I may be interested, and if I left my email it couldn't be traced back to you.

>>7416866

Vet anon again. I know you said you you weren't going to do it to him, but you gave me the impression that it's not something you personally disagree with in general, and that worried me. You said your reasoning not to get it done is based on not wanting to traumatise him further, which could be interpreted as openness to the procedure if circumstances were different. As a vet, i'm obliged by my oath to point out the cruelty inherent in declawing. it wasn't a personal attack.

Anyway, i'm not trying to attack you, just trying to give some advice for kitty's welfare. I can understand the frustration in dealing with aggressive cats. and it sounds like the way your ex acted has exasperated the problem. I would highly suggest talking to a cat behaviourist. Your vet might be able to point you in the right direction. Cats are harder to rehabilitate then dogs, but it can be done. Trust me when I say that a decent behaviourist is worth their weight in gold.

Quick general message to all anons in general: Don't get your cat declawed to deal with aggression. It only makes the cat more aggressive, only this time the only things they can use are their teeth. Cat bites are fucking shit.


To get back on topic: Horror stories or funny mishaps with your pets and Lolita? The worst i've had is a hamster eating a hole in a skirt (easily replaceable BL, thank god) and my cat being sick on a IW dress (washable, again thank god).

>>7416765
I have this on my Mozarabic Chant skirt in a couple places and I don't have any animals. It's on the back, so I'm guessing I just sat on something rough and the fabric got snagged.

>>7416765
Cadre du chat does have a rough texture to the polyester... Maybe that is what did it

And I guess you can confirm you didn't receive the dress like that? You might even want to email them and ask their opinion on what may have happened and if they have any ideas for fixing it? Since they handled the fabric they might know something

>>7417157
My cat likes to sleep on petticoats. Doesn't bite or claw or attack them. Just flops in the middle of the fluff, rolls onto her back, and goes to sleep. It's adorable.

>>7417157
>wearing brand-new AP socks that cost me way too much
>go to friend's house
>he has a brand-new puppy with a thing for socks for whatever reason (would steal them from bedrooms)
>puppy thinks my socks are the best thing ever
>nips at my ankles
>tears the really delicate ribbon with his sharp puppy teeth

Thankfully it's not noticeable unless you're up close, so I'm the only person who'll see it...but I was still so pissed.

>>7416765
It's a flaw in the fabric - probably happened while sewing it or possibly while wearing it, but it's not from the cat. I think it's something that happens to digitally printed fabric because I have some leggings that have the same thing.

>>7417006

Let me know if you would sell internet? I know you said you don't want to, but I promise I won't link anything back to you.

Email attached.

Can anyone give me some advice about sizing? I'm looking a blouse, and I'm struggling to decide which size to buy. My bust is 88cm, and the L size available is 94cm, but there is also a LL available with a 98cm bust. The blouse is chiffon and wouldn't have any stretch. Which size should I get?

How short is too short for lolita?
I'm 5'6" and my first dress came in today and is pretty short on me.
How far above the knee is too scandalous?

>>7417971
Rule of thumb is an inch under, an inch over. You might be able to get away with two inches with sweeter stuff, since AP is usually short. There are plenty of places that sell underskirts (or plain skirts you could use as one) if you're really worried.

would it be possible to make a chiffon bodice a bit longer? (Heidi JSK)

>>7417971
inch over/under is kinda dated at this point (especially with Angelic Pretty, their stuff keeps getting shorter and shorter).

It's all personal preference and comfort. I'm 5'8, and I honestly like to show a bit of leg. Tights are big in lolita now, and they're a great way to keep your legs covered if OTKs aren't long enough for you.

If you want to stick with longer skirts, try Innocent World. At least half of their releases have a long version. If the problem is that your torso is long, try skirts, JSKs with adjustable straps, or empire waists.

>>7418037
>empire waists
Wouldn't that be worse if you have a long torso...?

>>7417943
The best way is to take a shirt you own and like for its fit, lie it flat, and measure the bust. Multiply that number by 2.
I think you will be fine in the 94cm one.
But don't forget to check the shoulers, sleeve length, sleeve width, shirt length etc - fitting clothes aren't just about your boobs

Saw this in newfapchan's /babby/ which is an imageboard for nsfw diaper/ageplay pics and it made me laugh because I know you guys love this reaction image.

" On a more recent trip to Tokyo I saw about fifty girls standing outside Shibuya station each dressed up like a Madame Alexander doll, ringlets, starched crinolines, graphic circles of rouge on the cheeks... I was told that these indigenous kooksters refer to this particular style as Gottic Rorita. Trans: Gothic Lolita... There is something deeply perverse about dragging yourself up as life-size Madame Alexander doll and then walking about in public as if you were wearing slacks and a simple sweater."
> indigenous kooksters
> deeply perverse

>>7418445
Where is this from?

>>7417157
I had my petticoat on top of my laundry basket, and one of my cats pulled it down and explored its fluffyness while also catching the hem with his claws.

Mbok auctions noob here. Can someone better at Japanese than me tell me what this means?

このアイテムは早期終了で落札されました。

I know at least that the auction was ended early, but does that mean the seller canceled the auction all together or just that the seller accepted my one bid 3 days before it was supposed to end? I am guessing it's the latter since I still see my SS's bid on the page, but I'm not sure.

>>7418464
Your bid was accepted.
Why aren't you using google translate or rikai kun, anon? Even if the last kanji compound is sometimes translated as "knocked down," it's easily googled as "bid accepted."

>>7418454
anon, copy paste the paragraph into google. It's the first fucking result.

>>7418484
Thanks! Awesome, can't wait to get this piece!

And in fact I did use Google Translate. I was confused by that "knocked down" translation and spent half an hour searching that term and Mbok user guides, with no luck. That's when I decided to ask here.

>>7418445
Holy shit. I Googled this and the full thing is even worse than I thought it would be.
>Japan is a freaky scene. It’s school-girl panties sold in vending machines. It’s a silk obi [...] produced by hermaphroditic silk worms and then wound so tight around your middle that your internal organs keep threatening to come flying out of your orifices.
>I traveled to Japan with a female colleague who was wearing a modest scoop neck dress. The man who met us at the airport stared at her barely visible cleavage and said, “Soon may I have some milk to drink please mommie?” He then put on little white gloves like Mickey Mouse and drove us to our hotel.
>“I dress like oversize doll for no reason. Not big deal,” their blank expressions seemed to say.
>I am guessing about the Gottic Rorita interior monologue. Maybe there is no dialogue. Maybe there is just the sound of an old-fashioned musical jewelry box? Tinkle. Tinkle. Tinkle.
Suffice to say, 3edgy5me

>>7418612
>>7418445
is this person clinically retarded or...

>>7416902
> it looks fluffy and sweet and I wish it hadn't sold out
How did that happen so fast?

So... maybe I'm a bit stupid, but how can I see/change my account information on Lacemarket? I just clicked everything and couldn't find the page but I swear I have seen it!

>>7418787
just click straight on "My account", don't go to the drop-down menu

>>7418813
Thank you so much! Didn't think of that at all!

>>7418787
>click my account
>my account details

If I get outbid on LM I do get an email right?

Since it's still kind of in beta I just want to make sure!

>>7418787
Yeah, a lot of the My Account stuff is actually sort of difficult/non-intuitive to find. It took me 10 minutes or so to figure out how to find listings I've bid on in my account, or how to leave feedback... That's my only complaint so far apart from the messed up watch list.

>>7418037
>>7417976
Yeah my problem is that I have legs for days and just got an ap style dress.

Is it okay if my bloomers peak out or is that ero loli?

>>7419054
Wow, how long are you legs anon.
I'm 5'6 and I thought I had long legs but my bloomers nor petti stick out when I wear AP.
If your bloomers stick out a little bit as long as they're a matching color I personally don't think it's that bad but other beg to differ.
Maybe try altering them to be a bit shorter or get a shorter pair.

Would it be too much of a hassle to ask about some things? Because, I'm getting ready to start buying, but I'm a little unsure about a few things, and being new I figured it's a lot wiser to ask for help than just guess and end up making stupid mistakes.

>>7419091
For Lolita? Ask away but take anon replies at face value too. It's actually also a good time to ask on the EGL comm, noob questions have been getting some really great and helpful answers the past couple of months.

>>7419132
You mean the livejournal site, right? I didn't actually think about that. I was mostly wondering if the Dream of Lolita Snowy Castle JSK would be worn with a bell shaped petti or an A line shaped one. It looks like a bell shaped petti to me, but I just genuinely am not sure.

>>7419054
Personally I don't think bloomer peaking looks good with newer AP style, it's much better with oldschool of any kind. Instead I'd recommend an underskirt.

Prom is coming up not too long from now and Im stuck on what to wear. Help?

>>7418893
I figured it out really easily, you might be a little computer retarded anon

>>7419249
You need to be 18 to use this site.
Also why would you wear lolita to prom?
Is your date going to wear dandy or something?

>>7419476
>you need to be 18
>prom usually happens in senior year

I'm so tired of seeing this shit. Most people are 18 during their senior year of high school unless their birthday is during the summer. Some people are even 19, if their birthday is at a certain time.

>>7419469
I don't think I am, but in any case that doesn't stop it from being a legitimate comment to the UI. If I had trouble with it I imagine people who have less sense will have an even harder time.

The other issue I had with the feedback submission page is that it lists all of your pending feedback at once while filling out the form. When you click leave feedback, you fill out the form without any failsafe/'are you sure?' popup/page to make sure you're leaving feedback for the right item. I could see it being very easy to mix up which feedback you're adding. I think it should either take you to a new page that shows that you're leaving feedback for the right item (like ebay), or the feedback form should pop up beneath the specific listing you're leaving for, like say the lj reply to comment form.

There's just a few areas of the site that could use a few more changes to make the UI more intuitive, imo.

>>7419488
you realize that the way america works most people are not 18 in their senior year of high school, right?
And Prom also happens in junior year you pleb

>>7419249
these dresses from bodyline are cute and won't make you look too special snowflake-y.

>http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct2.asp?id=5905&pageNumber=2&pageStop=stop_5&noSubType=N

>http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct2.asp?id=6211&pageNumber=2&pageStop=stop_3&noSubType=N

>http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct2.asp?id=6699&pageNumber=2&pageStop=stop_4&noSubType=N

>http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct2.asp?id=6868&pageNumber=2&pageStop=stop_3&noSubType=N

Anyone know good places to get tights? I know of sockdreams, but I want to know if there's other sites to look at?

>>7419505
I live in America. I went to school in america.

At this point in the school year, most people would be 18 or 19.

I was one of the youngest kids in my class, my birthday being in May, but most people would have turned 18 by March.

And, sure, juniors can go to prom, but it's generally a thing for the seniors, from my experience. The juniors just don't want to spend that much money twice, so a lot of people wait and go senior year.

Not to mention you never know if someone was held back a year.


But basically:
Born in September would typically leave you a year older than your classmates, if you're after the kindergarten start cut-off.

BornOctober - April, you'd be 18 before prom, as it usually occurs in May. If you were born October - March, they'd be 18 by now.

Born June - August, you're unfortunate and the youngest people in your class, and will turn 18 after graduation (unless it's the beginning of June)

>>7419510
Well, I'd say the first two won't.

>>7419525
It differs from school system to school system.

I was born in july, I graduated in june, was still 17 through all of senior year.

>>7419525
Where I'm from we had junior prom and senior prom. Is that not usual?

>>7419519
Welovecolors

>>7419525
>>7419615
I also was 17 through senior year and entering college. I think it varies from state to state. Our cutoff is in December.

>>7419618
Depends on how much money the shcool has.

My school is poor as fuck so it's a combined junior/senior prom, but it's mostly seniors who go.

I didn't get to go at all, because they charged so much for tickets at a shitty venue.

>>7419618
No, we had that too.

>>7419526
I suggested the chiffon princess-y one because I saw someone wear it in white as a prom dress once. It didn't look terrible, but the bows on the front are a little excessive. It's bodyline though so altering it and taking off some of the front bows isn't exactly a tragedy.

>captcha: ropmnity Loligo

Are these loliable to wear with gothic coordinates? Why or why not?

>>7419991
I wouldn't recommend wearing them ever, based on the fact that they're hideous, but if you like them I guess I can't stop you.

>>7419152
Yep, the LJ one. Despite the hype that it's dead, it's still good, IMHO so yep.
Pic of the dress or other stuff you are asking about always helps though, here or there. Most people won't go look it up to give you advice. (Self included).

>>7419991
That is the ugliest fucking shoe I have ever seen.

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on how most Lolita brands turn photos into parts of their prints?
I saw recently people comparing a photo from Meta that they took from Marie Antoinette and gave it that signature Lolita print style.

Just trying to figure out how that is done so I can make my art better and maybe use some old stock images at the same time.

Pic related - Pretty sure they used that method on these donuts. Wallpaper I made in 1920x1080 to say thank you in advance!

>>7419054
Ero is an entire substyle, not just this or that element in a regular coordinate.

>>7419235
I second this, with some oldschool making a comeback, bloomers peeking is going to get seen again (long bloomers too) but I don't think its a good look outside of oldschool styling.
.

>>7420005
>bring into Adobe illustrator
>live trace/paint
>edit a little bit to your tastes
tada

>>7419476
I don't want or have a date. And I am 18.
>>7419505
Where did you get the idea that I'm from America? And prom isn't just for juniors? There's senior too.
>>7419510
Mostly just looking for inspiration. But yeah, those first couple are pretty cute, not sure if it's what I'm looking for though.
>>7419991
I don't think so, it looks like a table leg.

Quick clothing care question: screenprinted cutsews? Ok to machine wash alone on gentle? I'm concerned with possible pilling. I'd handwash but I don't have the facilities for that where I'm living currently.

>>7420005
Thanks Anon! :D Now to spam all my electronics with this wallpaper. <3

>>7420218
Glad you like it! Here's another (My favourite)

>>7420227
Don't make me turn this into /r/, sisbro.
<3 thank you! :D

>>7416400
There's more than one vid?! Link.. you know, for science.

>>7420499
http://www.redtube.com/24371

>>7420005
>>7420227
>>7420234

where they heck are you finding all these? Lolitaprintlove seems to be dead, I've submitted a bunch in that were from AP's website backgrounds with no response but havent seen the ones you're posting

>>7420509
>http://www.redtube.com/24371
At least that ones kind of watchable. I want her coat, lol.

Does innocent world website work the way that if theyre sold out online it doesnt nessarily mean their sold out in store?

>>7420625
Generally, yes. If you email to ask about a sold out item, they will look for it in one of their stores.

>>7420525
I save any tiny snippets I see and make them seamless, if it's possible.
Hard to find prints that work well as wallpapers though since most of them are crazy colors or shit flying everywhere

New AatP reserve, thoughts?

I don't know why but this thing scares me

>>7413137
cashier dude here, stop doing that. There's nothing to smile about. Just take your change and come again sometime.

>>7420667
You must be pretty sheltered

>>7419505
I'm in high school and I've been 18 for a majority of the school year now as well as my friends, it's common.

>>7420651
Well they're downright fantastic, maybe you ought to run your own archive!

>>7420651
If lolita brands aren't supporting age play looking prints, they're making offensive religious ones. I'm not even religious myself, but it's wrong to take a belief that is really important to some people and throw it on frilly dresses just because it looks neat. Funny how people flip out over cultural appropriating Japanese cultures, but glorious Nippon can use religion as a fashion statement.

>>7420728
> they're making offensive religious ones
> I'm not even religious myself

> actual religious people aren't even offended

lol

>>7420728
>Funny how people flip out over cultural appropriating Japanese cultures, but glorious Nippon can use religion as a fashion statement.
I noticed this too, but I don't agree with your perspective.
See instead of getting angry at people like us, you need to get angry with the people who slap 'cultural appropriation' labels all willy nilly without really considering whether said culture is actually being mocked.

>>7420728
To be honest, I actually want more religious prints like ones showing actual scenes from the Bible rather than just angels and the Virgin Mary sitting around. There's nothing really "offensive" about 99% of the religious prints that brands come up with (it's not like Jesus is raping a goat or something) and I think that if done tastefully and relatively accurately religious prints should be pretty kosher.

>>7420731
I'm not black either, but I can still be offended by racism.

Also, a lot of the religious prints are just downright tacky. Kind of looks like someone took an Affliction t-shirt design and just wrapped it around the border of a dress.

>>7420740
Just exactly what is so offensive about this print in particular though?

>>7420728
If the Church of England is going to sit there and insist on being a state religion then it can damn well shut up and enjoy the crosses on my dress

>>7420744
That print isn't as bad, but it is one of the more popular ones. It is a little irksome how prominent the angels are I guess, but whatev. At least it's not like MMM with their wrinkly ole' tranny with too much PhotoShop wearing religious prints. Yeah, cause if there's two things that goes together it's Jesus and cross dressing. It's gets really hard to defend the fashion to the religious people I know with crap like that.

>>7420728
yoooo I'm a Christian and I've never been offended by brands using Christian imagery in their prints. I get what you're saying, and it's fine that you don't feel comfortable wearing something with a religious theme just for fashion, but at least for me personally I'm not upset. Unless it's something really offensive like what >>7420738 mentioned, and unless it's really biblically inaccurate or disrespectful, I really don't see a huge problem. A lot of people aren't Christian but still find traditional Christian art (like stained glass windows) to be beautiful, and it's okay if they like it enough to wear it on something. Obviously I don't speak for all religious people on this subject, but that's how I feel about it.

>>7420746
because Joan of Arc totally wasn't a thing.

>>7420667
because some noob is going to wear that (or a knockoff) with a skirt or low cut jsk, without a bra and the world will see her nipples.

Personally it's okayish, but something's missing on the shirt.

>>7420748

Exactly. Besides, religious people offend and are dicks to non religious people all the time.

>>7420768
Yeah, and why would you want to wear imagery from a group of assholes tho? Coming next season, lace trimmed face covers will be all the rage for the newest head accessory, inspired by Islam. Brands could totally put left over fabric to use.

>>7420771
Because said group of assholes have some very pretty imagery to appropriate

I'm getting kinda worried about my lost in sea blue reservation. I send the order form to Martin, got a confirmation that he received to order form, giving me the option to pay in full when I could or pay the first half now. At first I told him he could send an invoice for the first half of the payment but then I found out I wasn't exempt from some taxes so I mailed him again asking to pay in full the next month. But I haven't heard from him since then and I'm just hoping my order did go through, I don't want to miss out on my dream dress again

>>7420786
I'm worried waiting for a confirmation of my order. How long did it take him to confirm it?

>>7420771

Hey, I'd wear that. Nun veils are already a thing, why don't we just do head wimples and even headscarves? Really fucking lacy headscarves that don't really serve any purpose because they're translucent and show off the hair.

Hey, I'd totally be up for that sort of debauchery.

>>7413721
I don't. I try to, every now and again, but I mostly can't be bothered, plus I wear it almost every day so I cycle through the same 10 or so fairly plain outfits every couple of weeks. I guess if my co-ord was particularly interesting I might post to d_l, but I'm usually too shy to ask anyone to photograph me.

>>7420788
About three days but then it seems he dropped off the face of the earth. I just want my jellyfish dress dammit

>>7420799
just checked my email, he just replied. weekend replies are slow, he said, and apologized.

no worries anon, i'm sure you'll hear from him soon.

>>7420786
If you never made a deposit I don't think you'll be able to get it...

>>7420839
are you retarded? that's not how it was last reservation. some people still reserved after it was closed because he asked KL.

So, I was going to buy a dress from alyssiumbaby that she listed on the sales comm just a couple of days ago, but when I checked her feedback, it said she was permanently banned. She has zero negative or neutral and a RBT search provided nothing. Anyone know why?

>>7420850
i've done some sort of a trade with her years ago. she was nice and dear to trade with, but i felt she was a bit too careless/trusting of me.

>>7420850

The reason is actually written on her feedback page itself, seems she has two lj accounts, the other one is berriecute.

http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/22971878.html

I'm not really clear if she was actually pretending to be two people or if she simply forgot about telling the mods that she has another lj account.

>>7420855
I got a girl in a BST thread to agree to pay me as a gift for a $500 dress when I had barely any feedback. I had no intention of scamming her and sent the dress to her with tracking and everything, but I was a bit surprised that she agreed.

>>7420855

Quote from mod on her last post to comm sales:

>This seller has been found to be using a sock account to get around egl_comm_sales' posting rules.

There's a 3rd sock account that's not listed on her feedback (but is on berriecute): keiisah

I cba to compare, but perhaps she was trying to get the 4 week rule? Nothing scammy, by the sounds of it.

>>7420864
I don't think that was the reason. I'm pretty sure remember seeing that mentioned on her feedback page before, plus there's no rule against using a different account provided your not scamming people Plus, it's not like it was a secret she had another LJ, she linked to the same username for sales on Tumblr all the time. I think that's just an account exclusively for sales.

>>7420867

*get around the 4 week rule, fuck.

>>7420864

Berricute's never posted to the comm sales though. Her 3rd sock keiisah has though. I can't be arsed to compare keiisah and alyssiumbaby's posts, but I assume she was using keiisah to get around the 4 week rule.

>>7420867
I'm probably going to still get the dress then, if that's all it is. Kind of a dumb move on her part, though.

>>7420867
>>7420870
>>7420873

okay, I take back what I said. keiisah and bberie aren't quite banned, their feedback pages are still alive and kicking

http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/880321.html
http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/1154534.html

They're listed as joint owners for the berriecute account.

Makes sense that berriecute might be a purely sales account shared amongst three girls, and it's not like alyssiumbaby hid the fact, since she used the berrie-cute photobucket account for her own sales.

Not sure what the rule-breaking is, then.

>>7420849
Um, no. It would be stupid on his part to order if you hadn't paid anything for it because if you bailed he'd be stuck with an extra dress. It's not good business sense to do so and pretty much no one does it. You're only getting it because he was nice enough to try, he doesn't have any obligation to if you didn't pay past the deadline.

>>7420791
Not so much debauchery as just ignorant Japanese girls appropriating Western culture and religion because it's kawaii. Yet Katy Perry wears an Asian dress and cgl loses their minds.

>>7420888
It says here that those accounts are banned too: http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/tag/!banned

I just looked, and unless she's deleted posts, keiisah hasn't posted in over a year. http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/?poster=keiisah

>>7420898

Try the links I provided anon. The actual eglfeedback pages for bberi and keiisah aren't banned yet.

Maybe the mod hasn't gotten around to it.

Or alternatively the mod that did the banning didn't realise berriecute was a joint account anyway.

Or else the rule-breaking was just alyssiumbaby using the berriecute account.

So has anyone reserved this yet? I'm debating whether or not I should just save my money. I'm really tempted because if the underskirts you can get.

>>7420921
I was going to reserve the JSK, but I couldn't quite bring myself to pay £220 for it, so I bought 3 yards of fabric instead. You could just buy the underskirt on its own. I think It's like $50 - $70 or so.

>>7415019

Ordered the high waist cut in Bordeaux, pretty excited! Recently got an email from them saying the stock will be in at the end of the month, and they'll send me my invoice then. IW has been pretty miss for me lately, so this was a nice surprise.

>>7420901

There's plenty of 'appropriation' of religion in the west. You regularly see the cross and (to a lesser extent) pentagram used as a fashion accessory for jewellery and on designs for clothes.

You want to know the biggest offender of appropriating? Christians. Their whole religion is based on stories from myth and other religions, that existed long before the bible in different forms. They've just been altered them to have a Christian spin on things.

Then there's the whole stealing Christmas from the pagens. You think some Japanese chick wearing a cross is offensive? What about some Christians stealing your holiday and rebranding it. Oh, and you better like this new holiday, or we'll kill you.

Religion has treated people like absolute shit over the years, they can deal with some minor 'appropriation'.

>>7420933
I've been feeling the same, but their last two releases have been great imo, especially on the accessories front, so hopefully they're getting back on track. I'm so regretting not reserving a pair of these, ugh, so gorgeous.

>>7420942

I wanted those gloves too, but $60 was pushing it, I'd rather try my luck at hunting through antique/vintage shops for a pair.

The Rose de Mariee dress is beautiful as well, but because it's so ornate, I feel like I wouldn't have the time to really wear it out often.

>>7420941
>some people were assholes 1,000+ years ago, so it's ok to be an asshole now!

No one cares about pagans. Everyone I've ever met who was a "pagan" was fat and smelled bad.

The cross gets used in Western fashion a lot because...surprise...most of them are Christians. This isn't the case in the East. It's just edgy shit for trannies named Mana to make their clothes look edgy. Yeah, sometimes it's pretty, but Katy Perry's slut kimono was too. Didn't make it ok.

>>7420892
he accepts reservations up to the deadline, it's not a payment deadline. and if he didn't order customer's shit after taking their order and saying "lol well you didn't pay before the deadline so too bad" he would get shit reviews.

the order placement from the customer is accepted up to the reservation deadline, you can pay after and still have your order submitted/filled for the reservation itself. otherwise he'd be throwing away money. are you retarded?

>>7421005
>defending common, widespread, well-accepted religions whose members are generally free of religious persecution
>generalizing pagans as smelly hippies
>"trannies"
>2014

aren't you a little old for 4chan? why don't you go yell at some millennials to get off your lawn?

>http://egl.livejournal.com/19589504.html

Didn't see any mention of this on /cgl/ yet. What do you guys think? While we'll have to compete directly with the Japanese customers, we will have access to their full online catalog rather than just a handful of selected items so I'm happy about it.

>>7421005

Wait, so you're getting pissed about people wearing a cross, yet slagging off Pagens? I don't think you get to rant on about religious appropriation, whilst shitting all over all a major religion. A religion that is still fatally persecuted to this day, might I add.

Lmao, do you really think the cross, when used for fashion in the west, is always done with religious undertones? The crosses you see on your Primark leggings, your topshop skirt and your claire's necklace are not doing so to convey a religious undertone. The desired undertone for most use of the cross in casual western use is a gothic one. Yeah, the majority of the west is Christian, but the majority of casual wearing of the cross isn't religious. If you're going to get your bloomers in a twist about appropriation, you need to address the rampant use of the cross in a non religious context in the west too.

As someone above said though, most christians don't care about their imagery getting used casually.

New thread >>7421195

>>7421005

>cross gets used a lot in Western fashion because most of them are Christians

Hey yo check out this swag bitchin cross yo. Preachin' it to the lord 5edgy3me!

>>7421313

Wow such piety much faith.

>>7421315

So pious yo

>>7421317

Forever21. Providing clothing for all your hipster christian needs.

>>7420665
Reminds me of Fragrant Rose Memories.

>>7421321
Except that they're well known to be a conservative Christian company (despite their mostly trashy clothes). In this case, there probably is a religious agenda to all the cross imagery they sell, though I'm sure most of their consumers don't care/realize.