/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I get the appeal. Make some small room a 'you can sit without people trying to snap photos for 15 minutes' spot. Because no matter how obvious you are trying to rest/eat people will try to take pics and get pissy if you say no thanks.

I think this sounds like a great idea. With bigger conventions, especially when I'm part of a group, it's incredibly hard to take breaks for eating or simply taking a breather. I can see people taking advantage of the rooms, but I think it's a good prospect at least.

>>7381511
Sounds like a really good idea, actually. It's hard to find a space you can just sit for a minute and dehydrate or catch your breath without someone coming by and going "Can I get your picture?" or snapping random shots of you while you're fixing something or stuffing your face.

Furry cons have "headless lounges" with big fans, water coolers, sewing machines and primed hot glue guns. There is a strict "no photos" rule and they are usually somewhere out of the way. They're super awesome, you guys are missing out.

The only problem I can see is people being elitist about who's cosplaying enough to be allowed in the room, or people sneaking in just to talk to cosplayers. You would need a volunteer acting as a bouncer.

Just more examples of cosplayers thinking they're special snowflakes. If you're tired you can sit down or take a chair like the rest of the con.

>>7381543
That sounds great. I have always wondered about the furries. I know mascot costumes are so hot.

But really some place like this would be so much better the the public washroom pile-ups you get. Maybe put up some mirrors so people can do make-up/adjust. Then the washroom won't get as crazy because every con I've been to the women's room is full of people working on their look and things get wet.

>>7381563
Are you telling me I'm not as important as my mom said I was?

>>7381563
Jerks will snap photos of you while you're on the ground with half your stuff off (and then possibly post them to the internet saying how terrible your cosplay is). I've had it happen to me while I was flat out eating lunch in a corner.

>>7381563
You're obviously not a cosplayer. I've been to cons both in and out of costume, and cosplaying makes events much more tiring. Not less fun, it just takes a lot of energy. That will need to be recharged.

From having to carry around a prop to having to stop every couple of paces because some nice congoer wants a picture to dealing with wardrobe malfunction... I usually just find some hidden nook to just sit in, but I'm not opposed to a cosplay break room.

While this can be a great idea, why do cosplayers have to be treated differently than other con goers? I understand that people with big costumes and stuff can have their own separate place, but at the same time, then other people are going to start complaining, too, then there's a whole other issue on hand about it.

>>7381587
If it's a room for dealing with costumes it makes sense to be for people wearing costumes.

>>7381587
What do they have to complain about? Convention centers have plenty of rest areas.
The point of the recovery room is so no one can take a picture of you eating or fixing something with your costume. Non-cosplaying con-goers don't seem to understand why cosplayers hate candid photos.

It's not going to be some luxury hangout spot for only the cool kids or anything, it's just a special room where no one can take a picture of you when you're not ready.

I'd be okay with this if there was en extra charge, even it's symbolic - maybe a $1 for the duration of the convention? that way you don't get the "cosplayers are special snowflakes!!" because the con would be providing a paid service.

>>7381587

If noncosplayers want a place where they can sit, glue their clothes, and not have someone take pictures, they have the whole rest of the fucking con floor.

Cosplay is part of a con experience. A room where people can rest and repair (instead of trudging back to a hotel room for every safety pin and touch-up) is a great idea.

>>7381615
a neat idea would be a donation drive. Like bring a can of food for a charity. But then that makes it more work for the organizers because they will have to haul out cans after I guess.

>>7381615

I agree. I also think everyone who goes to panels should be charged extra, and everyone who goes to the rave or dances, or hangs out in the video game room, because those are services that not everyone will use that cost the con money.

Or maybe we can just set up different spaces for the needs of various congoers.

>>7381615
I actually think that's a better way of doing this if done.

I believe these are called "hotel rooms"

>>7381633
Yeah, because battling elevator crowds or walking down the street back to your hotel room just to sit down and take your wig off and eat for ten minutes and then come back is something a cosplayer wants to do.

Don't the conventions you guys go to not have dressing rooms? Because those are pretty much what you're asking for.

>>7381650
uhh no?

>>7381650
>Do*

I can sum up this thread already.

>This is a good idea because (insert valid reason).
>Cosplayers should just deal with it like us noncosplayers do!

It's not a VIP lounge with free food and special guest access. It's an area where no photos are allowed so people can just sit down and relax or repair costumes without being hassled and then leave. People aren't going to spend all day in there and do special things you're not allowed to join in because you're not part of the secret club.

I'm cool with the idea and I don't even cosplay.

theres always those people that'll ask for pictures when someone's eating, resting, headed to the bathroom, etc. and I get second-hand frustration.

>>7381654
And really, non-cosplayers will benefit from the washrooms not being packed full of cosplay people doing the repairs there. It can get rather rowdy!

>>7381654
I've considered setting up my hotel room as one of these before, as I've brought my sewing machine along a few times. but I always end up being too busy/can't fine anyone to help out.

>>7381650
There's the public bathrooms and that's it. Everyone in this thread can tell you what that's like.

>20 girls crammed into one bathroom, only five are actually using the bathroom, the rest are adjusting costumes or fixing makeup because it's the only place to get privacy.

God help you if the bathroom has benches in it.

>>7381651
No they don't have dressing rooms or no that's not what your asking for?
Because what kind of a convention doesn't have dressing rooms? Each one I have been to has had separate ones for men and women and they even have hotglue guns, pins, tape and all that jazz in there.

>>7381659
no, they don't. What conventions are you even talking about?

>>7381659
What magical place do you live in? I've never seen one of those before.

Closest I've ever seen to this is a room my home convention had set up before where it was just filled with tables and water containers.

>>7381658
And then like most public washrooms no-one wipes up any water they drip so the sink area is soaked and your cosplay gets wet.

Really people, after you use a paper towel, quickly wipe near the sink you washed at. It helps!

>>7381660
Welp, could be just here then. I'm from Finland and it's become kind of a standard to have dressing rooms for cosplayers at cons which include all those handy things for repairing cosplays as well as proper mirrors.

Last year my fake nail popped off and I didn't have anything to re-stick it on. I ran around looking for a bit of tape to keep it on until the photoshoot was over. So I like the idea of the repair table and contacted my local con about if / how we could get that started.

I can see the appeal of a room for cosplayers to rest but it isn't necessary, but having the room alongside a table (so cosplayers have space to repair their stuff) would be awesome.

I wonder how many people who reblogged or shared this actually went about asking their cons for this.

Conventions have manga libraries (at least mine does) so I think it would be neat to have a little room dedicated to DIY cosplay repair with the same idea, especially if it had the option to donate money or supplies to get more things for the room.

This is why I cosplay as a nurse and just carry around a bag full of random supplies for anyone that needs safety pins or a quick shot of febreeze or even a quick snack.

>>7381668
I gotta disagree with repair tables, especially for smaller cons fighting for space and budget.

It should be the cosplayer's responsibility to plan for the worst.

>>7381666
It seems to be a thing in places outside North America, where it's expected you bring your stuff, change there, and change back before you leave.

>>7381684
The cost of all the stuff for a repair table for a small con is about $50 only though (glue guns, scissors, needles and thread, safety pins, hair pins), so really it's only a space issue, which if a con wanted to deal with they could (seriously, one table in a corner somewhere with a staffer to make sure nobody steals the tools) A lounge for cosplayers to just hang around on the other hand is more space than most cons can spare or are willing to pay for because it means renting an extra room or throwing another event out of a room.

>>7381633
Here in NZ cons are held in convention centers, not hotels. It can be quite a journey back to where you're staying just to re-tape your dress to your boobs and fix a boot cover.

>Emergency Costume Supplies

Some conventions already supply these in the form of Costume Repair Stations: rooms stocked with an assortment of glues, thread, safetey pins, and sometimes even a sewing machine or two. They ask you leave your badge with them while you rent a non-replaceable item out, but they usually discourage you from loitering in there.

If you wanted to add something like a Recovery Lounge (cooling fans, water, benches) to an existing repair center, you'd have to be pretty strict about enforcing time limits for people who aren't repairing something so the room doesn't get clogged up. Tables would be provided for people working on something only, no exceptions unless it's a disability/accessibility issue; everyone else gets to use chairs or benches. Have a monitor walking around the room making sure no one is taking up too much space.

>>7381633
>Implying some people get hotel rooms
And I ain't talking about the bum ass broke ass hos that lobby bum, i mean the folks who comute to the convention center from their house.

I feel like I remember a room at DragonCon that was empty and was just open for people to sit and rest in that's similar to what you're asking for here. It didn't supply materials to fix things, but it was quiet, with fans and just a bunch of people chilling every time I walked by...

I don't understand the need for a super special cosplay lounge. Typically convention centers /will/ have little unseen or obscure nooks and crannies to rest in. They might not be super apparent or designated for cosplayers, but the venues I've been to are large and you're bound to find corners, wings, hallways, etc. that are pretty empty.

I like the idea of a little Cosplay Emergency Room with supplies, a lot of cons have done that, but I don't see why you need a super special cosplayers only lounge. I'd prefer a designated quiet room (or maybe a couple) open to everyone. Have it supervised by a couple of staffers, have some signs saying "NO PHOTOS PAST THIS POINT" and water. Keep the "capacity" low so it doesn't get flooded with loud people trying to find a place to eat their lunch or something. It'd be a nice place for everyone to decompress.

>>7381684
I would only expect it from larger cons, which often advertise the cosplayers as a selling point. I can't see the table costing them that much. Dollar stores carry most common supplies including cheap glue guns and sticks. If cost was an issue they could charge a small fee to help resupply the table for the next year.

Small cons don't need it as much since they are often only one or two days and have mostly local attendees. Bigger cons have people from out of town who might not know where to find supplies and might have forgotten to pack an essential item.

As has already been mentioned, furry cons have a separate headless lounge. It's literally the same concept - the 20% or so who have costumes can go into a separate room that has a strict no photos rule. It only gets clogged at night during the dance, no one needs to patrol or kick people out, and it doesn't become a super special snowflake room. Anyone can enter, but absolutely no pictures.

The supplies and all that may or may not be important, but I think most cosplayers would appreciate an area where photos are not allowed. Cons where the hotels are nearby might be okay, but some cons have hotels that are not so close. I know last fanime a couple friends had to stay at the doubletree because everything booked up - that's a 20 minute ride plus walking between the two bus stops.

Why do people keep calling it a "super special cosplayers-only lounge"?? You've obviously never cosplayed.
It's not a privilege, it's just extra help for cosplayers because they're a huge chunk of why conventions are popular.
It's not a fucking luxury hotel suite with a hot tub and personal masseuse, it's just a repair room so dumbasses don't take pictures of you while you rest your feet and eat, because it's annoying as fuck when the only picture you can find of yourself post-con is one where you obviously didn't know the camera was there, part of your outfit is laying on the ground, and you have food in your hands. This room is partially to prevent things like that.
The other reason is because it's majorly annoying to have to wait for an elevator and run all the way to your hotel room, while rejecting more pictures and stressing that something might come loose, and that's if you have a hotel room. If you're commuting and you're 30+ minutes away, going home for a tiny bit is even more taxing.

Obviously this isn't something small conventions would be keen on, but if a con has, I'd say, 7k or more attendees, it'll be really useful.

>>7382826
7 thousand people is a small ass con.

>>7382955
maybe in Murica ye, but in smaller countries like Denmark that is ALOT of people. And the cosplayers stil suffer the same problems.

>>7381563
If you're cosplaying, you can't, because if you're any good you're guaranteed to have someone walk up and ask for pictures even if half your costume is off and you're stuffing your face with a burger.

tfw I asked two girls in cosplay eating icecream at a con last year
th - they were hesitant because they were eating but I told them they looked super cute with the ice cream, so they posed for me with their ice cream.
I'm gomen, super kawaii moe ice cream girls.

Holy shit, I don't understand some of the people in this thread. The rooms wouldn't be "super special" and awesome with fountains and velvet cushions. It'd be a shitty room with tables and maybe some craft supplies that doesn't allow photos.

>Wahhh, why do the cosplayers get a room just for them! It's not fair, I want a room just for me!!!!
Jesus, you people sound like you're five.

I think it's an interesting idea, though, personally I still think adopting a Japan-style system for handling cosplay makes a lot more sense in the long term: i.e. rather than requiring a specific area where no photos are allowed, flip it so that photos are ONLY allowed in designated areas.

Though I realize that something like that would be more difficult to try given that it's not part of the culture in the US at least. It'd solve a lot of problems though, especially at cons where cosplay poses serious traffic issues.

>>7381659
I'm from Sydney and none of the major cons have dressing rooms - SMASH con last year implemented one but it was quite small and it was essentially just one room split in two with some cloth and boards. No hot glue, pins etc. All the other cons you make do with the public bathrooms and there aren't any hotels in walking distance of the con grounds.

>>7381585
None of which you are describing is the conventions responsibility to cater to. If you chose to go to the con in an extremely uncomfortable costume where you have to stop "every couple of paces" then that's on you.

Also, having a "cosplay break room" isn't relevant to this excuse because that would mean you'd have to travel to a specific place at the con just to take a break rather than taking a break or sitting down wherever you are. The only reason to have a "break room" is if you want to feel like a convention VIP. Which is probably the reason that you cosplay to begin with.

>>7383140
There is already a room like that. It's called your hotel room.

Oh, and I got news for you: if you need craft supplies to fix your costume in the middle of the con, your costume fucking sucks.

>female cosplayers
>Go to the convention in costume so that people will give you attention and take pictures of you
>Oh, you silly boys. Always taking pictures of me! It's such a hassle, teehee. It sure is tough being popular!"

Typical women.

>>7383232
You're a cunt.
I hope some grabby hambeast pulls on something important and fucks up your costume so I can tell you that it fucking sucks.

>>7383233
Nigga I bet you don't even cosplay, and if you do, I bet you don't give a shit about it and do it half-assed because "hey I'm just here to have fun, right?"

I don't think some of the noncosplayers in here get how rare a chance to sit down and unwind can be sometimes. I've had whole days where it's nothing but pictures everywhere I go, or even finding a spot to chill is impossible. This, of course, varies on the size and place of the con, but the one thing in common all of them have is that some people don't get that we aren't currently ready.

Getting a bite to eat in the only chance you've had of the day? "Can I get a picture?" Consoling a friend during a rough time? "Can I get a picture?" Just had a big photoshoot and just want to get away from cameras and having to think of poses for a moment? I think you know what I'm going to say. I've had these happen at pretty much every con I've gone to, in varying degrees of frequency.

It's not even just the photos that get us, it's the hugs, the wanting to chat about the show, where we bought our wigs, and asking how certain parts of our outfits are done. Don't get me wrong, these things are tons of fun, and the whole point of going sometimes, but sometimes become too much. Having a room to escape to would help. I don't even care if it's cosplayers only or not, just so long as everyone understands the rules.

>>7383240
You're exaggerating the physical exhaustion of taking a photo. And the fact still remains that any convention, be it at a hotel or convention center, is going to have many places to sit down and take a break if you so need. There is literally no need whatsoever to have a special cosplayer VIP lounge.

>>7383246
It's not a VIP lounge.

It's a room with chairs in it.

Where you're not allowed to take photos.

That's all.

>>7383246
It's not some cafe with butlers, anon. It's a no-pic room with maybe supplies.

>>7383246
But you can't really take a break though. If you are in sight at a con, people will still approach you for photos, etc.
Literally all that is being asked is an out of the way area where photos are explicitly off limits, not a fancy elite lounge.

Anime Boston at least used to have something like this. It was just a small room in one of the lower traffic parts of the con with some needle and thread, chairs, glueguns, and water.
It was a pretty useful place and I imagine it wasn't too expensive or labor intensive to set up. I think most cons could benefit from something like that.

>>7383246
It might not be exhausting physically for you to pose for a photo over and over again, but some of us find it taxing to be unable to really enjoy ourselves at a convention without someone coming up every thirty seconds to take a picture. I've had people snap photos of me while I was on my phone in the middle of a serious conversation and trying to pester me. It would be nice to not have to deal with that in a zone that is photo-free, even just for fifteen minutes here and there.

the idea is okay, just don't call it a "recovery lounge"

it sounds like you're supposed to be both pitied and a VIP.

just have one room with a few signs outside stating there are no cameras allowed.

>>7383286
Has it ever occurred to you that you could say no? It doesn't take a lot of effort to say "Sorry, I'm really exhausted at the moment. Thanks though." You make it sound like all cosplayers have autism and are completely incapable of social interaction.

And as mentioned above, there is a place you are describing already in existence. Your hotel room. Try using it.

>>7383294
You chose to cosplay and receive attention for cosplaying. Acting annoyed and entitled for exactly the same purpose that you cosplayed is ridiculous.

What is it about women and wanting the world to revolve around them and all of their petty frustrations? "One time a guy took a picture of me while I was on the phone. Make a rec room at the con just for me to get away from him." So retarded.

>>7383339
People don't fucking listen. They really don't.

And, a lot of conventions are held in (gasp) convention centers, where your hotel could be blocks or even miles away. Some people just commute to conventions.

Should I drive half an hour back to my house because I want to sit down for a few minutes without a bunch of weebs bothering me for photos?

People will come up to you with your mouth full of food and ask for a photo. Clearly you're dong something right now, but they don't fucking care.

>>7383232

Oh okay. What about the people who have a hotel room 15 minutes away? What about the people who aren't staying at a hotel and are commuting from home? Or the people who don't want to leave the con for an hour, just five minutes?

And accidents happen, you fucking asshole. Capes get stepped on or caught, people step on the back of your shoes, some asshole runs past you and rips or breaks something, someone "glomps" you and tears off a button.

Did you actually even think of anything before you shat all over the reply box and hit submit?

>>7383342
nice bait bro

>>7383347
He's obviously a crossboarder looking to vent how hurt his feelings are about female cosplayers and "attention-seeking" behavior, even in the face of people asking for an area where they can relax and avoid attention.

People like this can't really be reasoned with.

>>7383344
I have never in my life seen a cosplayer say no to a picture and had the photographer say TOO BAD and take a picture anyway. And even if they did, so what? How is that depleting your energy levels? This is a topic of vanity, not exhaustion.

>a lot of conventions are held in (gasp) convention centers, where your hotel could be blocks or even miles away.

Which is easier and closer, sitting down on a bench/chair nearby where you are, or traveling to another part of the building to your special cosplayer lounge? If your ambition is to get away from people at the convention then you can go back to your hotel room. And if your hotel room is too far away or you didnt get one then maybe you should've planned better, since you have special sensitivities and special needs.

>>7381684
Small cons I'm either or on. Many times the con space will have an odd hotel room which would be too small to have a panel or any really meaningful events so its a good area to have the repair station so the space isn't wasted. However I do agree that cosplayers should always bring their own materials and items to a con because you know exactly what you need and everyone has their own brand preference of certain items however a repair table is great for the quick fix in between room trips on the go.

>>7382537
I think it's really based on the venue on how important a room is needed. While its not uncommon for cosplayers to hideout in a hallway or corner, I think they're just attracted to the idea where there is a room that prohibits photographs as even while hiding you have the risk of someone approaching you for a picture. If the con is densely packed then I'd say its a great idea to have one. I was at Sac Anime one year at the old location and I wished there was a place like a recovery lounge, given how many attendees were inside and how limited chairs were

>>7383357
>I have never in my life seen a cosplayer say no to a picture and had the photographer say TOO BAD and take a picture anyway.
That happens all the time. Maybe they don't scream LOL TOO BAD!! but often they just take a picture and act like they didn't.

>>7383347
>My hotel room is 15 minutes away. I demand another hotel room at the convention center.

lol entitlement

> accidents happen, you fucking asshole. Capes get stepped on or caught, people step on the back of your shoes, some asshole runs past you and rips or breaks something, someone "glomps" you and tears off a button.

Maybe we can also have cosplayer maternity centers too since you apparently need someone to constantly be changing your diaper. Do you have the ability to deal with ANYTHING at a con or do you need special considerations for literally everything that happens or may happen to inconvenience you?

>>7383357
I don't think you've been to a large convention in your life. I know at Katsucon I had people snapping my photo without even asking, while my cosplay was only halfway on because I was fucking eating.

I told them if they would wait until I finished, I'd get everything back on and they could take photos then.

They just ignored me and continued, then moving on to take photos of other people who were trying to fucking eat.

Sorry I don't want ugly ass pictures of myself stuffing my face all over the internet?

If people could learn to be fucking polite or thoughtful of others, these rooms wouldn't be necessary. But convention = excuse to be a socially impaired piece of shit for too many people.

>>7383294
Jesus Christ, this has happened to me too. I was in such a rush to get to a group photoshoot that I left my badge in the hotel room five miles away. I was outside the convention hotel texting roomies to grab my badge and literally crying because I didn't think my roomies were even still at the hotel and I'd have to wait an hour for the next shuttle (which meant standing outside in the 85F heat because I couldn't even get into the building without a badge) and just completely overheated and miserable already. My friends showed up with my badge, weekend went on, come back home and start searching for pictures of me..

>Anon, I took this one! I didn't want to disturb you since you were on your phone so I snapped this one!
>picture of me redfaced and obviously upset while texting my roomies outside the convention center

>>7383362
I'm so sorry someone took your picture without permission when you dressed in a costume for pictures.


Here is a picture of a bridge. Get over it.

I think it sounds like a good idea. I don't cosplay myself, but I wouldn't be bothered if the people who did had a place at the convention to fix their shit. Yes, they have hotel rooms and small hallways to hide in, but they still cram up in the public toilet when they have to rearrange their costumes.

Just a room with some benches, tables and water, and some sewing thread and pins. Tables should only be occupied by people repairing their stuff. Maybe you could have a small time limit, like say, half an hour at a table max if there were too many people. You would just need one guy to be in the room and make sure that no one abuses the rules or takes pictures.

>>7383339
My friend had this happen to her and believe me, they don't take no for an answer.

Friend is in a really cute dress, but has a bit of a malfunction where a button has popped off and is trying to get away to fix it because there's a gap in her dress now at bra level.

>Guy randomly comes up, already has his camera up to snap a picture.
>Anon's friend, can I take your picture?
>No, my costume is messed up and I need to fix it first.
>Oh, I don't mind!
>Well I do.

Guy still didn't look like he had the message so we ended up just quickly walking around him to get away. He probably thought we were total bitches after that since we saw him again and he didn't come back and ask or even acknowledge us.

>>7383357
I can understand why it sucks ass to have someone take a picture of you if you don't look up to par. They'll end up on the Internet and be criticized for being "sloppy" when the person cosplaying was in between costumes or eating.

>>7383368
When someone takes your picture and your eating, here's what you do:

Throw your food truck fajita down onto your table, stand up and scream "I AM EATING, YOU ASSHOLE! SEE THIS COSTUME? IT'S CALLED COSPLAY. IT MEANS I AM A COSPLAYER AND THE HEART AND SOUL OF THIS CONVENTION. NOW YOU FUCKING GIVE ME THE GOD DAMN RESPECT I DESERVE OR ME AND MY FRIENDS WILL GO TO OUR VIP COSPLAY LOUNGE TO GET AWAY FROM YOU."

If they still insist on taking your picture like the villainous creeps they are, contact con security and inform them that they are a creeper who is sexually harassing you. Since, after all, photos without consent is a form of rape.

>>7383370
I had twisted my ankle really badly at Fanime, and took my boots off. A few people asked for pictures and I (very politely) declined, telling them I had hurt my ankle and wasnt willing to put my shoes back on, and wasnt comfortable having my photo taken since we were on our way back to our room.

They awkwardly walked away and took a bunch of pictures from 10 feet away, while I was only wearing half my costume and looked like I was about to cry. I don't know why people feel the need to do that. Same thing happened at Anime Expo when we were walking back to our car; Took my uncomfortable wig off and was carrying it and had changed my shoes, but was still wearing a few recognizable parts of my costume. People were so rude when I declined pictures.

>>7383382
I knew eventually this thread would devolve into tumblr stories about sexual harassment.

>>7383390
>>7383382
From the melodramatic sob stories you girls tell its becoming glaringly obvious that you don't need a no-photos room at cons, you need a rape counseling center.

Because no woman at a con should ever have to endure the horrors of having a picture taken of them under unflattering conditions.

>>7383391
Except it wasn't sexual harassment? It was just bad timing on his part and mildly annoying.

>>7383386
You sound like the kind of cunt who would take photos of people without asking, and without having an ounce of respect for them.

If I'm eating, I want to eat. I don't want you to take my photo. I will gladly allow photos when I'm done. I don't take long to eat.

I'm open for photos pretty much ANY time that I'm not eating.

Someone came up to me when I was on my way back to my room, I got a really bad migraine and just wanted to go lay down. I put on a happy face and let him take my photo, even though I was in pain. Literally the only time I will ever turn down a photo is if I'm eating, or if I'm really ill and headed somewhere to get medicine or something. If you can't wait six fucking minutes for me to finish my sandwich, you don't deserve the fucking photo.

>>7383386
>>7383391
>>7383397
That samefagging.

>>7383399
>You sound like the kind of cunt who would take photos of people without asking

As opposed to the kind of cunt who thinks they need your permission?

>>7383405
>2edgy4u

>>7383391
No one said it was sexual harrassment, you fucking autist.

>>7383405
It's polite to ask before taking someone's picture.

If you're taking a wide shot of the con floor, that's one thing. That's fine. But if you want a photo of a specific person, fucking ask. ESPECIALLY if the photos are going to end up online, which, they usually do.

It's an anime convention. It's not a photography convention. Believe it or not, some people dress up because they think it's fun, not because they want everyone to take their picture. If they want pictures taken, they can set up a photoshoot. Otherwise, they're being nice and letting everyone take pictures of them.

So if they're busy, or just not feeling up to it, you need to respect that and leave them alone. Most times they'll really appreciate it. Even try asking, "Could we meet up later for me to take a picture?"

A lot of people would be really happy to have someone so understanding about it, and would likely give better pictures than if you just run around snapping shots of miserable/eating/half-costumed people who just want to be left alone.

>>7383368
>But convention = excuse to be a socially impaired piece of shit for too many people.

tbh I've wondered about this. How do some of these people survive in daily life? Do cons enable and make their douchiness and social inabilities worse, or are they just always like that? Like, if you glomped someone in a normal day to day situation you would probably get punched or screamed at or the cops called on you. How do they not get in big trouble for this shit?

I stay at the con hotel or one close and have a car. I have a repair kit for anything about my outfit that I'm not 100% about, pins, fashion tape, makeup touch up kit, etc. I usually have backups of tights and often shoes if heels or something difficult/breakable.

I don't doff parts of my cosplay or sit and eat in places where people can photograph me.
I assume they will and that I'm 'on' whenever I'm in view.

Any stories of pro cosplayers being upset about candid photos at cons? How do they deal with it?

Some people just don't give a fuck. People like me, for example. Here's a picture of my friend eating during the con. She told me to take it down but I didn't. U mad?


Some men just want to watch the world burn.

>>7383368
>If people could learn to be fucking polite or thoughtful of others, these rooms wouldn't be necessary.

They still aren't.

You know that society is becoming entitled when people think they need photographic safe houses at conventions. Jesus christ if its that upsetting to you then don't fucking dress up for photos.

I go to one convention where this is sort of a thing-- not so much for eating, but people are generally pretty polite about that. But if you need to rest, there's a spot, and there were sewing machines and thread and a little mini changing room. To be fair, this is a Doctor Who convention so the types of costumes are different, but it definitely saved my ass (literally, mind you) one day. That and there was like a suggested donation box to cover the supplies used.

Also, I went to a con with changing rooms as >>7381650 was talking about. Granted I've only been to the ones in Japan where it's literally a giant room of naked people and I don't know if it's different where that anon's been, but that could easily have the same thing. Long as your comfortable seeing a pair of tits every five seconds while you're eating, it was fine. Actually, I even kind of loved the changing room aside from the long line (though it went pretty fast given the size of both the con and how many people they let in at a time so they could have room)

>>7383397
>hurt myself, only wearing half my costume
>"Sorry, but i'd really rather not have my photo taken!"
>rape counseling
hit the nail on the head

>>7383420
All I got from that is

>I'm a giant swinging dick

>>7383417
You are advocating isolation rooms to get away from people because you dont know how to say no to a photo. Who is the socially impaired one?

>>7383420
She's not into you, trust me.

>>7383428
>He took a picture of me when I was half naked! He wouldn't take no for an answer! I was going to cry! INTERNET, PLEASE HEAR MY TALE.

Sounds like rape to me.

>>7383430
You're really not paying attention, anon.

It doesn't matter if you say no.

There are cunts all over cons that will just take your photo anyway.

>>7383430
No, it's because people don't know how to take "no" for an answer. They take the picture anyway or get shitty at you. I had a dude get pissed at me because I took a couple of seconds to put on gloves and switch shoes once, and it's not that uncommon.

>>7383420
I had a 'friend' like this once. His phone mysteriously disappeared at a con on the first day only to turn up right before it was time to pack up.
He was lucky it was found.

>>7383436
See >>7383372

>>7383435
Nobody said half naked. They said half their costume was on.

Meaning, they could have been missing their shoes, wig, capes and cloaks, accessories, props. They probably only had on the basic clothing piece, a dress or a top and skirt or pants with no other parts of the cosplay on.

Half a costume =/= half naked.

>>7383436
So if you know this already, why not just plan for it and don't do things in the public con space that you wouldn't want photographed?
Instead of expecting people to accommodate you.

>>7383418
I had this group of cosplayers (not pro, but visiting from Japan so very different rules) I ran in to who were cosplaying D. Gray Man. They were eating and I was still in the weeb phase so I asked them for a picture. They rocked it. Used the food as a prop and fake shoved it in someone's face.

Granted, then there's the person in OPs image who I know, and apparently he gets a lot of them (the middle piece is tight and...boned to hell and back to give him the right proportions) so he has to sit and breathe a lot since he's not used to it. He's generally happy to get up and take a picture, he just ends up untagging a lot of himself resting and gets annoyed. Nothing bad.

The con I go to has a repair table, but it's out in the open in the middle of a vendor room so as you're sitting there trying to repair stuff people can still snap photos. However this was actually brought to the convention heads attention and they said when they move to a larger con space in the next two years and have the room to do it they will be implementing this idea. But for now they are going to have an area roped off as a no picture zone for people to sit and fix things and rest. I'm not sure how well it will go over as it will still be in the open, but it's better than nothing.

>>7383405
What a weird world we live in where people think it's okay to take photos of total strangers. That's weird enough in general, imo, but to do it without permission or when they've declined? It's just sort of odd, I guess. I know cosplay isn't clothing and it's not the same thing, but it's almost like really loving someone's outfit at a club (a place where people typically dress up nicely to be noticed and go to have a good time) and asking for a picture and getting pissy when they decline, or trying to snap photos without even asking. Like I said, it's not the same, people don't go to clubs expecting to have their photo taken the same as cosplay and cons, but it still is like, why do you need this person's picture so badly that you can't show a little respect for their personal space? Eh, just kind of weird, that's all.

>>7383450
Would you walk into a mall, see someone sitting on a bench eating and say, "HEY I REALLY LIKE YOUR OUTFIT CAN I HAVE YOUR PHOTO?"

No?

Well then why is it okay to do at a convention?

>>7383435
Look at how hard you're trying! So cute! Don't give up, maybe you'll rustle someone someday, champ!

>>7383427
See, now that's the way to rock it. The rest of this thread is pretty whiney. I never even knew some people had this much difficulties with wearing their cosplays and getting photographed. I'm usually too busy doing fun stuff to give it that much thought. Oh well...

>>7383463
I did not say it was ok, but as you say, it does happen. Do you think it will somehow stop?
If you know it is common, it's simple to not let yourself in for the situation to begin with, I think.

And yes, I've been asked for photos in public just weirdly. In Lolita at the grocery, holding bacon. I just hammed it up.

Rather than a no-photo lounge area, I think bigger cons need to just crack down on photos outside designated photo areas because I am so fucking sick of trying to shop or get through hallways and everything is stopped because of some fucking cosplayer photos going on. Just say that pics are only ok in this designated area so that everyone else can actually move around the con.

>>7383450
It's easy to say that, not so easy to do. I commute each day to the con from 30 minutes away, when I have 20 minutes between panels and I want to eat I can't just go home and eat. My friends who go are local so no hotel room. The closest areas to the cons are still packed with people that will just take pictures anyway.
I went to a restaurant last year at the con, sat down to eat and took my wig off because it was tight. three days after the con pictures of me show up without my wig on, my natural hair is all messy from the wig cap, and I'm stuffing my face. it was unflattering as hell. If I can pack my lunch and go to a room where I can take my wig off for 10 minutes to eat, then fix my make-up it would be awesome.

>>7383463
I'm not the person you're replying to, but you don't tend to ask for photos of randos at the mall, anyway.
I get annoyed by people asking for photos when I'm eating, too, but I understand getting caught up in the convention hype. Your mind zooms in on, "Oh, I like their costume, I want a photo!" and the rest of the stuff seems secondary; you don't notice they're eating, or whatever. I'll generally acquiesce unless I'm wearing something elaborate that takes time for me to put all the stuff back on. If that's the case, I'll just give them a, "I'm sorry, but I'm eating right now. Try to find me later!"

>>7383472
This drives me fucking nuts, too. Even at the smaller (a couple thousand people) local con near here, that happens in the dealer's room, and it's not like the aisles are super cramped. There were times when I was stopped completely for a minute or two and there weren't even that many fucking people at the convention center.

>>7383476
It's very easy. Get a wig that fits, stay at the con so you have a room and privacy, better time management so you can eat in the restaurant. If the con provided an extra room and staffed it, would you be willing to pay a usage fee?

>>7383488
But why should there be a usage fee?

The con provides video game consoles and TVs and screens to play on in a specific room, that's much more expensive than some needle and thread in an empty room with some chairs. And, it's an ANIME convention, not a video games convention.

Cosplay is a part of the anime convention vibe. Video games have nothing to do with anime unless they happen to be based on a series.

So why can we have a video game room?

Because people want it there.

Making people pay extra for a 15 minute stay in a repair/wind down room is absolutely idiotic. You don't get charged extra for any other room in the con.

So some people are against the idea of no photo rooms, but aside from "cosplayers aren't special snowflakes" what would be the issue with a no-photo area? Assuming the convention had the space and the volunteers to watch it.

Aside from "cosplayers should bring their own stuff" what would be the issue with repair tables, assuming the convention provided one and had the funding to supply it?

I'd love to see some legitimate feedback on this.

>>7383463
Not who you're talking to, but I've been asked for photos on a ferry outside of lolita or cosplay. She was a professional photographer and I guess she liked how my hair (dyed at the time) looked against the water.

>>7383488
>live 30 minutes away from con
>pay over $200 extra just to stay at the convention to have a place to eat
>very easy

Nigga you tripping.

>>7383470
>bacon
>i just hammed it up
dat pun

On a related note, I think ya'll need to settle down. If you're tired, need a drink, or need to rest, that's your problem to take care of, not the convention's.

>>7383492
Not to mention the manga library. You can find them in a bunch of conventions because people requested it. They're free as well and you can stay and read as long as you want.

I don't see why a room with just one table filled with bobby pins, safety pins, and hot glue is such a crazy concept to people that don't cosplay.

>>7383488
I damn well would. I'd have no issue paying $10, maybe even more if the money went to charity. And since the con I go to is not for profit, the money would go to charity anyway.

I have natural hair that goes past my ass, any wig is tight, and anyone who wears a wig knows as the day goes on they get hot, itchy, and uncomfortable no matter the size. The con I go to is in a convention center, so there isn't a hotel connected to it.

Time management isn't an issue, it's people who take 'candid' photos because they think they are cute and the cosplayer will love them. Or think it's hilarious to take photos of a character eating.

>>7383492
I thought as much, you are wanting people to provide you with a service for free when you have many other options to take care of your own needs. It's not the cons responsibility to give you gratis photo-free vanity space to fix a costume malfunction or take off your wig because it doesn't fit. Personal problems.

Gameplay attracts more con goers and makes more badge money for the con, a cosplay repair room doesn't.

>>7383497
The issue they probably have is that the only people at a convention that would be photographed is cosplayers so it immediately becomes some special club where everyone else assumes cosplayers are getting special treatment.
Not to mention the sense of entitlement. "I paid to get into this convention, I should be able to take pictures wherever I want!!"

There's no issue with repair tables and people have already said that their conventions have them. I think it's a nice idea if people donated to it in items to help others during the event.

>>7383497
Only issue I've had with having repair table at any cons I've worked for is every once in a while you get someone that decides they're going to BUILD THEIR ENTIRE COSTUME THERE and then you have to figure out how to tell them no stop it.

As far as no-photo policy, Japan may have it right in rather than a room that isn't for photos, you can't take photos anywhere except the photo area.

>>7383508
It's the con's responsibility to keep its attendees happy, otherwise they wouldn't have a con.

If they can cheaply and easily make many attendees happier, why wouldn't they do it?

And honestly. What kind of autistic fuck pays for a badge to a con just to go sit in the fucking video games room all day?

>>7383499
So...you are just cheap and want the con to cater to you. I see. It's not the con's problem if ragtag cosplayers can't get their shit together or are too cheap to get a room to take care of their speshul personal privacy needs.

>>7383518
>too cheap
>$200 vs 30 minutes' drive

What kind of idiot would actually stay at the hotel in that case? You sound like a fucking moron.

>>7383518
>lives 30 minutes away
>buy a hotel room!
>why would I pay $300+ to sit down and eat?
>you are just cheap!!

>>7383522
Why keep replying to her then? There's a 99% chance that this is a troll, and as people say, don't feed the trolls.

>>7383522
I can already predict their next argument.

>If you're too cheap to buy a room then drive home to do that stuff!
>one hour minimum round trip to eat and get partially out of costume for a few minutes

>>7383517
I don't think 'many attendees' have so much cosplay and eating photo problems that it merits a staffed extra room. At most cons that's not exactly cheap to provide.

Plenty of autistic fuck friends get roped into going to the con because there is a game room, it's kind of funny, actually.

>>7383512
What if it was just a no photo area, but anyone could go in it. It could be a sitting area near the repair booth. The con could just have signs up and not make a big deal about it. (Big deal meaning advertising the area in the guidebook as exclusive)

>>7383513
I think that would deal with a lot of issues with photos in high traffic areas for sure, but probably wouldn't be accepted by western congoers.

>>7383535
No, the next argument would be to make a costume you can realistically wear all day, eat at a nearby restaurant or suck it up and don't expect special privacy privilege on someone else's dime.

>>7383528
Go sit in your car. Go to a nearby park. Go to the restroom. Go to a restaurant. Go ANYWHERE.

>No, no you dont understand. I am PERSECUTED and a VICTIM!

No, you are not. Shut up. You are silly.

>>7383535
>I am too cheap to buy a hotel room, so the convention should provide me a hotel room at the con

lol entitlement.

>>7383551
It's not special privacy privileges to expect someone to ask before taking your photo. It's common courtesy, and it's socially acceptable behavior.

>>7383541
Works fine for me? I think it's a place that anyone could use as long as it included the repair area.

>>7383528
>live 15 minutes drive away from local con
>buy a room anyways

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. But this is the exact reason I pay for rooms. Sanity, quiet, and convenience. I don't have to worry about parking every day and can party as hard as I want knowing I'll be safe stumbling up the elevators to my room. To me it's worth the extra hundred bucks (I split costs with friends), but I guess to others they'd rather hassle themselves to save money.

That's off topic, though. Regardless I think it should be your responsibility to do what you can for your comfort.

>>7383574
>it's socially acceptable behavior
>expecting socially acceptable behavior at a con

>>7383574
> It's common courtesy, and it's socially acceptable behavior.

This is very true. But if you know it's not going to be honored then you also know to plan for it yourself and take measures to avoid looking awkward or crappy in public if you will be embarrassed by candid photos.
Not by asking someone to give you a room.

>>7383574
Exactly. It's a COURTESY, not an entitlement. Listening to you fucks think that taking a picture without permission at a con or not having your own private room is a violation of your civil rights is obnoxious.

You are a baby. You expect other people to cater to you in every way down to the smallest inconvenience. Please die.

>>7383582
I do too but at one down the block. Quieter, less pool shenanigans, better restaurant. These are hall-sitting plebs griping, no more. They don't want to take responsibility.

>>7383472
This is actually a pretty good idea. Especially since main paths, sometimes get super clogged. Sakuracon's escalators come to mind for me. At least, we have security there to yell for people to move it along, but it'd be so much better to have everyone know to take to photos in certain areas. I know some people just get so excited they stop noticing things around them.

For those saying it'd cost too much to have a repair area, I've noticed for the rooms that I've seen are cosplayer run and most of the stuff is donated. So, the convention is only providing space, so it works like the manga reading and video gaming rooms do. If there is enough of an interest, why wouldn't a con let people start one?

>>7381583
Then don't sit around on the ground with your stuff off and lurk in corners with lunches? Then no one can snap unflattering photos of your (I'm sure) otherwise wonderous self.

Damn, I didn't think /cgl/ could be trolled so easily, but apparently I was wrong.

>>7383603
What do you want people to do then?
If they don't have a hotel room, and there's no area for that, and they aren't going out to eat, would it better if they just didn't eat all weekend?

I think con candids are really kind of funny, actually. There was a candid of a girl posted to the ita thread from Katsucon in a replica JSK with no blouse and baggy socks. And a stinkeye.
It made me smile.
Go eat or rest in the chill-out room, maybe? Most cons have one, right? I don't see people taking pix there...

>>7383610
Suck it up and not be so vain, maybe?

>>7383472

This is what Japanese events do and I think it's a great idea. They usually have like a big cordoned off area just for cosplay photos. If you want to show off your costume and have pictures taken, you go into the photo area (or if someone asks you for a photo while you're walking around the event, you go back to the photo area). It helps avoid traffic issues and cuts down on creep shots/other unwanted photos.

I don't think it'd be that difficult to implement. They could even designate multiple smaller photo areas (idk like tape off a section of floor every so often in a spot that won't impede foot traffic). The hard part really would just be making the rules clear/enforcement since it's sort of normal practice right now to take photos anywhere.

>>7383616
In this particular case, no. Katsu does not have a chill-out room or anywhere like it unless you have a hotel room in the gaylord.

>>7383604
Poking at people's vanity, entitlement or pocketbook are sure b8 m8.
All 3 at once?
Candy from a baby...

>>7383621
Then maybe suggesting THAT, for all con-goers, might be a good idea.

All I have to say is that if any con actually implements one of these rooms... I'm going to go into it and take secret photos of everyone who comes in for hours then post them all online to every cosplay website.

Am I the only one who doesn't mind if people ask for a photo when I'm resting or eating? Perhaps it's because I'm still in my honeymoon phase of cosplaying and I'm not being constantly approached for photos either. With that said I totally understand others' frustration with it.

Out of all these ideas I like the "quiet room" the most, it gives cosplayers AND non-cosplayers a place to chill without giving off that "VIP special snowflake" vibe some of you are talking about. I just want a calm place where I can check my 3DS street passes honestly..

>>7383616
>>7383621
See, I think a "chill-out room" would go over better. Don't make exclusive to cosplayers, just make it a quiet area with places to sit, no photos allowed, and have plenty of water. Anyone who just needs a quiet break from the con can have it there, just have the one staff member making sure everything stays quiet and nice.

>>7383631
I was waiting for this post, I knew it was coming. As well as a rash of new con candids getting posted for a bit. I may have a new photography inspiration entirely from this thread.

>>7383631
Me too bro.

>>7383633
You are a normal person with healthy tolerance levels. Congratulations for being rational.

>>7383634
Several cons do this and people like them. Adding a few work tables along the wall at setup would be easy. It's also a good idea if there is overflow of some kind, the chill-out room gets designated for bits of time. It's a good idea.
Last con, I took tea party leftovers and fed the peeps there some goodies.

>>7383631
"I'm going to pay for a con ticket so I can take candid pictures of people, just out of spite"

That's pretty sad

This is basically a cosplay-oriented variation on a con suite, and I honestly think it would be good to have.

If cosplayers are getting a private room where they can hang out and not get pictures, I want a private room where I can smoke weed.

Oh no, people are giving me the attention I asked for, I need a special place to get away...

no, not my room either, worship me as I am a special snowflake, a special fat snowflake in an ill fitting costume

>>7383656
It would also be pretty interesting. An album of pictures of cosplayers when they think nobody is taking their picture.

I want to see yaya han dressed as chun li picking her nose while on her cell phone.

>>7383682
Then by all means, rent one for people and let us know where we can pick up our key.

>>7383706
No, they mean a con suite like dragoncon does, anon, not a hotel room.

>>7383699
I'm going to take and post more candids at the cons I go to this year, I decided that already.
I mostly ignore hall-sitting plebs but this has piqued my interest since they are so bent about it.
Just how much crappy, broken face-stuffing cosplay is going on?
I want to know. My camera wants to know. The interwebs wants to know.
If it's much, y'all need to maybe just up your game.

>>7383710
Right, but on who's dime? Expecting the con to rent it for them? Same issue.

>>7383719
You don't seem to realize that these things already exist. The con suite at Dragon*Con is two rooms where you line up and get free food from convention staff and volunteers. They aren't getting paid to do this, though they're probably getting a free con pass. They're just there to make the convention experience for everyone better.

There are almost always unused panel rooms at every con. It's really simple to do these things, so I don't get why you're making such a big deal about it.

>>7383719
You aren't understanding. No one rents anything, it's not like a hotel suite. It's literally a lounge with food and shit.
But yes, it gets put together on the con's money. A crap ton of sf and fantasy cons do it, so it's not some crazy new idea impossible to pull off.

>>7382826

Not to mention that cosplayers going in "for repairs" clog the fuck out of the hallways and elevators at the big cons I go to. Anything to reduce the number of people and the number of rides on the elevators is a godsend.

>>7383232

>hotel room

Yeah because we need MORE people hogging up the elevators.

>costume sucks

No shit Sherlock, a lot of people have costumes that are finicky like that. This is a reality thread, and in reality, some costumes don't work out as planned, and people need to glue themselves back together.

daily reminder /cgl/ is the easiest board to bait

polite sage

>>7383735
This. With cosplays, shit happens.
You have people all over and around you that could accidentally mess something up.
There's shit that's just going to be finicky and fragile no matter what you do.
Add that to the fact most people don't wear a new cosplay around in public for hours to test it out and maybe something just went wrong when you actually wore it for a while.
No sane cosplayer I know goes off to a con without a repair kit of some sorts.

>>7383246

>You're exaggerating the physical exhaustion of taking a photo

A good cosplay can take anywhere from ten photos to several hundred. Posing 10, 20, 30, 100 times with a heavy prop above your head, your back or arms twisted, or simply being on your feet gets pretty exhausting.

My lasts cosplay had four-inch heels. I've worn corsets I can't lean back in, armor I can't turn my head in, wigs so large or elaborate I couldn't even pop my neck, and props that were 5.5 feet long and had to be laboriously dissembled and reassembled at every photo. A friend of mine wore an entire suit of armor and couldn't sit without taking it all off; someone else I knew had body paint and couldn't lean or sit without first putting down a pillowcase.

>>7383591
How did you get so angry, anon? No one in here is DEMANDING this no photo room. No one is threatening to stop going to conventions unless this happens or making a huge deal about it; you're just responding like they are, making yourself look like a troll if you aren't actually. They're just saying "it would be convenient if the con had the resources for this", which is true. You expect people not to annoy you on the street as a COURTESY, but I sure hope no one grants you it so you can go rage at someone else.

>>7383370
Crying and flipping your shit b/c can't get to a photo OP.
Crying now and flipping shit b/c someone took photo.

Lel.
Thats funny.

>>7383382
Put hand over heart (and button gap) and strike a pose.
Next time be wiser and wear things that fit.
This is not tragic difficulty.

>>7383740
These costume limitations and difficulties are your own choices.
Expecting people to make special accommodations for them and you is entitlement.

I can understand not asking for pictures if the person is on the phone or eating or whatever.

But for me, personally, if someone's sitting down not doing anything I don't see the problem if someone asked for a picture. I might get turned down, and that's fine, I'd just say "okay" and move on.

>>7383719
A lounge room with snacks, soda, occasionally a keg, stuff like that is standard in SFF cons, I can only think of a couple that don't have one. It isn't a literal hotel suite. It's basically one of the empty panel rooms, with a lot of chairs, and some tables. Sometimes the medical guys are stationed there. Occasionally guests have informal events where they hang and talk to folks casually. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I wonder why there are like, zero anime cons that do a con suite.

>>7383370
>>7383390
"why the hell would you take a picture of me when I do THAT" general?

standing in line for the bathroom
shoving food in your face
taking a phone call
and my favorite, my friend who got her picture taken when she cut herself and tried to stop the bleeding

>>7381658
Not even bathrooms are safe sometimes. I've had people take photos of my cosplay when I've been adjusting my wig and make-up in the mirror.

>>7383800
You keep acting like people are up in here demanding their own free hotel room or shit when literally all that people are saying is that it would be cool if cons designated an unused panel room for people to chill out in.

>>7383339
Many people don't ask the just snap the photo and bam, you find it on the internet later.

Here is me trying to eat a goddamn twix bar in peace.

>>7383807
Because con kids are infantile sometimes.
Oh look, superman's waiting for the pooper!
Wow, Chii's eating a burrito, so randummmm,
I wonder who Goku is calling hurrdurr

Are you so ego-inflated that you will die if a bad or unflattering photo of you appears on the interweebs? Or just sensitive because it doesn't live up to your might posed best face look in your vanity shots and may just look you know, like a funny guy in a costume? Is that so terrible? If it is then I'd think you'd plan around these things by getting a room, maybe?

>>7383800
I think you're reading into this wrong.
People are saying it would be great if a small panel room that would go unused anyway could be utilized as a cooldown area where people can make adjustments to their costumes if something springs loose. They aren't demanding it. They aren't saying its required.They just think it'd be a good addition to the con.

And honestly? As someone who doesn't cosplay, I think it's a great idea.

AnimeUSA actually has something sort of like this, actually. It's more a repair station than a 15 minute breakroom, but it's the same general idea. And it works well.

It wouldn't cost much either compared to the game rooms or manga libraries either. Just a few tables, maybe some sewing kits and thread that the organizers donate ala game consoles. The only cost to the con would be the cost of that room, which really isn't much.

>>7383860
It's the toxic /cgl/ environment that makes these photos unacceptable honestly. If the costume isn't 100% accurate, it's bad, without question. This means if the character is doing something, well, out of character, it's a bad cosplay.

Not saying you SHOULD take those kinds of photos without asking, but the reason people are self-concious about them is because people will see them online and roll their eyes and say something like "wow that's a shit cosplay!" "What a camwhore!" "I bet he/she hasn't even watched all 500 episodes!" or something.

>>7383852
Cons pay by the amount of space they require, most I've been at do not have an unused panel room just sitting there for your use.
They pair with the hotel to offer room discounts so you can rent one for your personal use. Offering a free room of supplies and space would possibly even cut the number of rooms rented since some people would think they can just eat, rest, repair, etc in a free room.

>>7383869
I really doubt this would be so fucking expensive or take money away like that or else con suites wouldn't be more or less standard at sci-fi cons. There also wouldn't be people in here saying that other cons have had successful chill out rooms.

>>7383867
If they are self conscious then maybe they need a thicker skin or to up their game.
I'm sensitive. It would piss me off to no end to be caught with a food face in my cosplay or dressed up. I eat in my room or offsite. I adjust my costume in private.

When I'm in the con area in costume, I figure I'm fair game for photos so I don't do things that I do not want photographed.

>>7383878
Chill out rooms/lounges are becoming more common place. Fanime has one for cosplayers and ALA made one for parents to stay at to pass the time.

>>7383878
Depends on the venue and the con. Lots of hotels have facility rental rates listed on their sites if you want to look around. Typically the cheapest for a small meeting room is $100/day and goes up from there. Then lots of places make you pay for things like tables, chairs, power. So far that's just a money issue and the question is can your budget support it. Now when you get to the big cons it really does become a fight for space because there's more things that want to be on the schedule than you have available rooms for. Is it worth cutting three days worth of programming in a room so there can be a lounge space? Does the lounge add more value to the con than the programming would?Most cons are going to say no, the lounge is a shitty return on investment.

>>7383878
>>7383887
Scifi cons are usually better monetized, and established if talking about the older ones, and attended use the restaurants and room blocks more, there is less hall sitting and lunch bringing, usually. So the cons may have better budgets.
If many people are doing it, in some hotels the 'bringing food in' thing could even become an issue. Some hotels are strict about it.

>>7383512
Lolitas get photographed, too tho

>>7383963
I don't take off parts of my coordinate in public though and I am used to eating carefully and with good manners so this would not be an issue for me.
If I'm changing my coordinate more than once a day, I have a hotel room. It's just a lot more comfortable and convenient.

... In Australia I'm pretty sure it's actually illegal to take photos of people without permission. Is America really that much of an uncivilized shithole?

>>7383980
Orly? Um no.
http://www (dot) artslaw.com.au/info-sheets/info-sheet/street-photographers-rights/

>>7383986
http://www.mondaq.com/australia/x/262736/Data+Protection+Privacy/When+photos+break+the+law+breach+of+privacy+or+breach+of+contract

>Similarly if you are standing on private property it is illegal to take pictures or film without permission. This includes shopping malls, industrial sites, farms and office blocks.

>>7383980
Yes. Read some of the responses to this thread and you'll see why.

>>7383980
In some US cons, I've seen a paragraph saying something about you agreeing to be photographed at the con site as part of the entry requirements, but a little fuzzy what it covers.

No photos allowed rooms sounds cool.

I don't expect people to NOT take pictures, but it gets annoying when they don't ask. I am open to pictures, I am not going to bite your head off, just put up your camera as a sign and either I'll let you take a pic now, or I'll let you take one later. Trying to be sneaky about it doesn't make you cool, it makes you look like a creep (even when you're not).

I find that it's normalfags who take sneaky pics though, more than your average congoer.

The way people talk about getting their picture taken without permission makes you think they got raped or something.
You girls make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to this subject.

>>7384054
Having your picture taken against your will so that some pervert can fap to you later is pretty much rape though/

>>7384078
It's okay though, because all those pictures you allow to be taken that end up online because you post them to your facebook are fap proof.

>>7384054
I haven't seen anyone in the thread making a big deal out of it? They mostly just say it's annoying and kind of creepy. You act like it's a terrible thing to hope for a little consideration from others.

>>7384078
10/10 troll, because god fucking damn it, OP, you have pissed me off.

>>7384078
It's WORSE than rape, since the photograph steals your soul.

>>7383616
The first con I went to had a chill-out sort of area. It was down a hallway from the rest of the convention, connected to some large bathrooms, there was a cafe there, etc.
And you know what? People still took candid pictures there. I found a video on YouTube of me and a friend just talking. No idea who took the video, we weren't making a show of it or anything, you actually couldn't even hear us in the video. But it was just a solid 3 minutes or so of two blurry 16 year-olds chatting.

Don't tell me that wouldn't be creepy and awkward to find of yourself.

I can't say a cosplay lounge is a TERRIBLE idea... I mean I have friends that get like anxiety or something at cons and then we have to go find a quiet place for them. They would probably like a quiet room.

Which brings me to the next point, which is why not go sit out of the fucking way? Back in my day, if you were wearing a popular costume and you wanted to sit down you went off to a less populated area and sat the fuck down. For the random wanderer who finds you and wants to take your picture you just say "sorry, I am totally dead right now, but I'll be out walking around in 10-15 minutes ok?". 90% of the time the dude with the camera sees your dead face and understands. Is that really hard?

I've been to giant cons like Anime Expo and asshole cons like FanExpo in my 9 years of cosplaying and it wasn't hard to find a quiet place so what cons can't you chill out at?

If you are worried about candid photos a room isn't gonna stop that. People will take candids of you even when you're not sitting down. Hell, one guy took a candid of me while I was on my phone standing in a line. So I guess I don't see the point of this room. It makes sense with the tumblr age we're in though. Fucking tumblr ruins everything fuck tumblrgaaaah

>>7383472 I agree, I've been on both sides of this. Sometimes I just want to get to that booth for some cool merch but I've also waded through photogs three deep to reach my brother (who does the big cosplays) to save him because I can see he's begging for saving (I keep telling him to maybe make smaller cosplays....)

>>7383357 My brother actually has been surrounded by photographers before who would literally NOT LET HIM OUT. It was the end of the day, so his wings and makeup were going, he was tired, but was still up to give poses. But then more photographers came and no matter how he tried to bow out they kept pushing for "one more" while snapping shots. It got to the point where my sister called me over, I elbowed people aside because I was pissed as fuck about this behaviour (because there was con security not even thirty feet away who weren't responding to my brother saying "No more" or my sister asking for help) and I pulled him out and we found a corner so he could freak out in peace.

>>7383574 Also, if you ask for pictures, you're more likely to get a specialized pose/a pose in general other than flat standing there. I know for one con I was asked to open up my shirt for a flirty pic (and as a guy I don't mind too much), and I never would have done this if I hadn't been asked.

>>7384168 I got something like that with my first "Big" cosplay! I was standing in line to pick up my pre-reg pass, ear-phones in and playing a game on my phone (dead to the world, which probs wasn't smart), but then the guy in front of my starts making angry arm gestures, so I take my buds out, and a photographer guy is fast walking away, and apparently he'd been taking pics of me for almost five minutes just out of my peripheral while I just stood there and played on my phone....... -_-"

>>7384276
> -_-"
Confirmed for autism

For most cosplayers they don't need a chillout room. Some do. I've made mascots and mecha suits which seriously inhibit motion and are a heat-stroke/ heat exhaustion threat.

To the troll, some con goers are absolute asses. Wearing a male mecha suit (Optimus Prime), I had to take my head off because I was getting hot and a little dizzy. I asked that no one took pictures, but I had a bunch of annoying teenage jackasses follow me back to my hotel, take more pictures and try and snatch my head away. If I didn't have a handler, I would have lost my hard work to a bunch of punks. Eventually those pictures surfaced, and those are some of the only clear shots of me the entire con.

I suppose it's just jarring, and incredibly rude. I grew up bouncing between France and America, and it's absolutely illegal to take a photo without permission of a person in France, unless you aren't the principle subject or it's considered important information pertaining to you (like you being a plague vector, lol)

I think it would be awesome to have a no-photo area, or a photo-only area. It would mean cosplayers who don't have an amazing costume can still dress up and have fun with fans but not worry about internet ridicule later. It means cosplayers who have professional lives that can be damaged by having any unusual hobbies are protected while still enjoying their hobby. It would mean that anyone who needs to take parts off - whether to show someone how it was made, or for comfort, or for eating - could do so while not under the scrutiny of cameras.

I mean, if furries can do it civilly, why can't anime fans?

I like the idea. Sometime you just want to have a sit down without going all the way back to your hotel room. I don't get the super mad SUCK IT UP crowd on this one.

Whenever I need to chill out, I just drop into the back of one of the video rooms. Great place to chill, since they're usually pretty dark so no one really notices your costume. Great place to nap too.
At the place where A-fest is now held, formerly A-kon, some of the bathrooms are segmented, so there's a waiting room when you walk in and an archway that leads to the toilets and sinks.
Also, there's a booth that is usually at DFW cons called Cosplay Hospital and they fix little problems for you for a little fee. Stuff like hotglueing stuff, sewing buttons, fixing hems. Pretty cool, but it'd be nice if the con ran something similar.

>>7384345
>I mean, if furries can do it civilly, why can't anime fans?

This really stings.

You hear that guys? You're worse than furries, not asking before taking pictures and proceeding to do so even if you ask and they say no.

>>7384406
There's nothing wrong with having a sit-down. Expecting someone to provide it for you gratis when the budget or the space could be used for other more viable things is a bit much.

>>7384459
The furry community always seemed to have it more together than the anime community.

>>7384459
Are there really so many furries on /cgl/? Either this is a funny case of Baader-Meinhof phenomenon/frequency illusion or /vp/ has been leaking into /cgl/.

>>7384469
Has anyone in this thread actually argued that the room should be provided for free? I see this strawman over and over and over again ITT but never the actual argument. I know I personally wouldn't mind paying some additional cost on top of general entrance to have access to a cosplay fix-up room.

>>7384475
Con community, yes. Online community? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA No. They're mainly flaming queers, which are infamous for nonsensical drama mongering.

Actually, /cgl/ might get along well with furries. You enjoy the same interest - drama.

>>7384490
I guess we should all try to be more like offline furries.

>>7383236
I'm not autistic, so no.

>OH NO, THEy ARE TAKING PICTURES! ABLOO BLOO BLOO
Do you seagulls have any idea how much pf a drama queens you sound right now? Get over yourselfs.

>>7384489
Only one person said they would not mind paying for it as service. I think that may be different. But the con would still have to reserve the space without guarantee enough would pay unless they took the fees, refunding if they did not collect enough to cover the cost. They have to book the space up front in any case.

>>7384489
I think these type of rooms would encourage people to cosplay, thus creating a more appealing con atmosphere (seeing as how cosplay is such a large part of conventions nowadays). Good atmosphere = more congoers = more $$$

I know I usually don't cosplay during all three or four days of the con because it's too tiring. Just a place where I can sit down and not have to deal with picture-taking would be nice.

>>7384513
If you've ever seen a furry con, it is the biggest hugbox. I've never seen so much asspatting of clearly shitty costumes in my life. Seriously, Fanime and some furry con share a convention center. During one of the fanime staff meetings a year or two back, there was their con. It was cute at first with everyone acting retarded, but even the really bad and ugly ones tried to be cute. And people played along!

I could never be a furry. I would push all the ugly and fat ones off a cliff the second one of their ugly rainbow vomit faces appeared.

>>7384525
And none said they would mind, right? Would it be an issue if the cost was paid at time of ticket release? Assume buyers were refunded their money if there wasn't adequate interest (and subsequently, funding).

>>7384531
I don't like it when too many people at a con cosplay. If everyone is cosplaying then it's essentially just a costume party and there are no normalfags to worship me like jesus.

That's why its so fun to cosplay at cons like Comic-Con or BlizzCon, since 90% of the people there don't cosplay and you're like this super special mascot of the convention that everyone can't stop admiring and looking at.

In any case, giving cosplayers VIP privileges to try to get more cosplayers is stupid. Cosplayers aren't any better than anyone else and trying to do so is a slap in the face to everyone at the con who actually IS going there for the love of anime and not the love of costumed narcissism. What creates a better con is people who go there for the spirit of the con and not to show off their latest cosplay for e-fame and facebook likes.

>>7384632
> cosplayers VIP priveleges
Why do people still think this is some super luxury room with personal servants. Just a no-picture area with a repair station is what most people ITT are hoping for. It doesn't even need to bar other congoers imo, just a no-picture zone is good enough.

> Also implying love of anime and love of cosplay cannot be simultaneous.
You've been on /cgl/ too long. The grand majority of cosplayers at conventions are fans in shitty costume (which is fine by me, because cosplay is for fun anyway). I think spending time and/or money on a costume is just an outlet to express your love of XYZZY fandom.

>>7384764
When you create a special lounge where only certain people have the privilege of going, you are creating a VIP room.

The "no picture room with a repair station" is your hotel room. Try using it. The convention center is not your guest house.

>>7384789
>only certain people

The last post clearly said
>It doesn't even need to bar other congoers imo, just a no-picture zone is good enough.

>>7384615
Only ONE here said they would pay a fee. The Others squeaked and said it should be free.

>>7383427
Is it wrong that I wouldn't trust that kind of open dressing room at an American con? I can already see girls sneaking photos of other girls trying to change, or sneaking photos of a cosplay in there and getting a half dressed girl in the background.

This definitely isn't necessary by any means but it would be nice to have a clean space within the convention to go, fix my costume, take my wig off and drink some water, or whatever.

As for having a fee, that wouldn't bother me. If I wanted to use it that'd be fine? I think someone else in the thread mentioned having a little jar for optional fees or whatever, and I think that would be great as well. Sure, most people wouldn't donate, but at a large enough convention people donating a buck or two and feeling like they've been generous would really be enough to cover the cost of renting the room and any supplies needed. And like others have mentioned, there are almost always empty panel rooms throughout the day at the conventions I've been to.

The weirdest picture request I've received was when I was helping a friend clean up his vomit. If people are willing to come up to someone when they're wiping up puke, of course they're willing to go up to someone just trying to rest and eat or whatever, so I can see how this would be really valuable for some people. I personally don't really take my outfit/wig/makeup off when I'm eating or resting and it always makes me happy when someone wants a photo so I'm not sure how much I would use something like this, but if I did find myself in a situation like this at a convention I'd really appreciate the staff going the extra mile to offer a quiet room with no pictures. Sometimes just being in a crowded convention can be intimidating and exhausting on its own, but I wouldn't necessarily want to go back to my hotel since I've already paid to be at the convention. I would gladly pitch in some money if I ended up using a room like this.

I do think it could become hard to enforce no photos at all though. Two friends relaxing who want to take a quick selfie on their phones could make someone less socially aware think "well i already saw them taking pictures, and they're cosplayers, so of course it's okay if I do."

>>7383977
How to fix this problem entirely for cosplayers in one fell swoop.

If an embarrassing picture of you appears online, you fucked up and you should get over it. If you can't eat food without looking like a giant baby, learn to eat like an adult.

>>7384854
My philosophy is if you ask me for a picture while I'm eating, you get a goddamn picture of me eating. sux 2 b u.

Seriously, if people are so freaked out about needing good pics of their costumes, why don't they even just hand their phone to a friend and get a few pics for whoring out online? Don't depend on random assholes to get pics for your cosplay profile.

I live in a country with a smaller cosplay community. We have a main city in our state and most cosplayers travel for at least one hour to get to it for the conventions held. Very few people book hotel rooms, because it's only a few hours drive to get to the con. But obviously, that means we have nowhere to rest in private. The convention centres aren't very good for that.

A no-photography room would be great. I'm guessing they'd put something on the walls or floor to indicate that it's no photography, and any photos that showed up would cause the poster to be banned.

Also, please could we ignore the trolls? They're clearly not understanding our point or being deliberately obtuse.

>>7383240
FUCKING QQ SOME MORE. If you dont like the attention or don't like how hard life is when you are in costume then don't dress up. its that simple

>>7384866
>My philosophy is if you ask me for a picture while I'm eating, you get a goddamn picture of me eating. sux 2 b u.
This.

Stop fearing it. We're just people. People eat and if someone has a photo then power to you for not being that weird.

I have an idea; why don't the ones wanting the privacy room just pool together for the specific con and split the rent on a regular hotel room or suite if the con is at a hotel? Convention center cons maybe do it at the nearest hotel. There's usually one really close.

>>7384960
I'll take a picture of you eating, no problem.

>>7383437
sounds like you are a vicious cunt and deserve to be punched in the face for stealings someones personal property to protect your feels.

>>7384866
this, god.
some chick asked my group for a picture when we had just gotten food for ourselves and the rest of our group, at least five food takeout boxes in each of our hands. when we told her that she could take a picture but we weren't putting all our shit down, she looked obviously disappointed/slightly pissed off and was like "oh" then kind of backed off a bit.
Then some other people asked us for pics and when they took some (after we gave them the same reply) the girl kind of sidled up and took pics too

>>7384976
Funny, he thought so too but he calmed his nuts and learned some manners as well once it was restored.
Teehee
/sage

>>7384946
>QQ
Go back to your shitty League. No wonder everything you say sounds like trolling.

So to clear things up, I think it would be best if there was just a big room with couches and tables and things that said "No cameras beyond this point."
Anyone is allowed in, maybe there can be a little repair table for the cosplayers and a bunch of mirrors, but it's otherwise a simple rest area. I never really see a ton of resting areas at conventions anyway, aside from hotel lobbies.

For those arguing about hotel rooms: what's easier, a room immediately in the convention center, or a hotel room that is up an elevator and down several hallways? If you want to sleep or completely build your cosplay, you can go to a hotel room. For simple repairs and a place to rest your feet, there's this room.

For those arguing about space: it'd be an empty panel room. Maybe a ballroom for the 10k+ conventions. Does anyone even know how much it'd cost for a con to buy one more room? It's probably not as much as you people seem to be thinking. Chill the fuck out.

Cons in the UK have chillout lounges (usually combined with manga libraries) for just this. Is this not a common thing?

>>7385015
I know at Otakon, it's several thousand dollars for a panel room. They have to pay the convention center's porters to move the couches/tables/mirrors in and out (oh contracts), and they have to have someone from con-ops mind the room.

Not sure if the people objecting to cosplay lounges are low-tier faggots with closet cosplays, or shit-stirring for fun...

>>7383230
If you don't like cosplayers, why are you on the cosplay board?

>>7383230
How's the weather in the Sahara this morning?

Fuck you, you cosplay to get attention. Deal with it.

>>7385073
I hate to break it to you, but by your logic any hobby/occupation is done for attention seeing as you're getting recognition for your work regardless. Also, people naturally crave some sort attention. You'd probably be miserable, bitter and desperate without it. Since you're so lonely and upset about other people getting attention other than you, maybe you should just kill yourself?

People craving attention and complaining when they get it.
It's not always going to be possitive attention what you recieve, if you can't take it just stop doing cosplay.

>>7383617
Fucking this.

If you're in costume, you're fair play. Being in cosplay is equal consent to get your photo taken. Be grateful that photographers are curious enough to ask to take your picture instead of just snapping away.

>>7384525
> Just set up one table and put up a couple printed signs in an area already designated for seating. I have never seen a con without one area for seating. No extra cost in terms of booking an area.

Most large cons book the entire area anyway, you need to book a certain amount of space to secure the date and get the hotel discounts for the events.

As someone who is a director for a few conventions we've discussed the idea of added a con suite/lounge for people to hang out. It all comes down to having space, and quiet frankly, it was agreed that the con would be better served to have an extra video or panel room than let people have a room in the convention center to cool down for several reasons.

1. We make deals with any hotel we are based out of or right next to, to buy up a bloc of rooms at which attendees can use at a discounted rate.

2. People are going to still take your picture, just candidly.

3. As stated before, we're not going to waste a room we rented out for people just to sit around in it when we could add more content to the convention.

4. We're not going to rent another room for the purpose of letting people rest in it either.

5. If it was turned into a con suite, we'd have liked to offer snack food and drinks as well, and make it the karaoke room to have duel use. But this would be a non starter since every hotel and con center we used has policies barring the con from supplying outside food. And the any place that allows you to override it has an insanely expensive fee attached.


Cons like Fanime, Otacon, A-Kon, AX, ect are large enough to where they can rent out their entire convention spaces. A majority of the cons currently are lucky to rent out all the space in their respective hotel so they need to utilize their resources as best as possible. Unless cosplay is THE staple of your convention, I can't see a cosply recovery lounge being practical, and would just tell people who don't want candid pictures taken of them to go to their hotel room or bathroom to readjust

>>7385109
Finally. Thank you. I've just volunteered and I know these things.
And yep, these reasons have mostly been presented in one form or another as probable reasons why this isn't a very feasible idea in terms of how the con bottom line operates. Very low ROI for a thing like this and only added value to a select set no matter who it allows in or not.
Dedicating a room that costs hundreds per day to it is more than a little unrealistic.

I like this. I cant tell you how many times I just wanted to fucking relax and get a drink/eat something, and People are begging me to put my gear back on. I hate being an ass, but I just want a few minutes. I usually were big/heavy stuff and its great having pictures, I'll stop and poe for anyone who asks, but if the helmets off and I look like im eating, just leave me be, or ask if you could see me in a certain place in a few.
>>7381563
I'm not saying I need a room with a throne and massage, but what does piss me off is after 5 hours in armor, constantly walking and I want to sit, I fucking need to sit. What gets me are the people in recovery rooms not whereing anything and sleeping across 4 chairs and saying "No you cant sit down I'm meeting someone here". No, fuck you, you meet them somewhere else. This is a room for people to catch there breath, not a hang out spot.

And dont give me the "Just take the armor off and sit in the hall like everyone else!". I've had gear kicked across halls on accident too many times to trust con traffic to be careful.

When I go to a con, I know no matter what I do/say someone's probably gonna take a candid picture of me, but I think of it as the same as just be being in the bg shot of someone else's picture.

If you want just a picture of the back of my cosplay, side of my wig, whatever, it's up to you. However, I always go up to cosplayers myself when I want their picture BECAUSE that way you get poses/smiles/in character things.

That's how I view it at least. Candid? You get nothing. Ask? Well, who knows?

>>7385740
Off thread topic but how do you (and others) feel about photographers, amateur obviously, who prefer candid snapshots to posed photos? I do about half the time, and it's not to embarrass anyone. I like the natural ease vs predetermined pose and unaware face to smiling game-face. I think it's more expressive. Obviously not with a burrito in your face or with all your stuff askew but maybe just while you are unaware.
/sage for off topic

>>7385740
That is a good point though.
Don't get angry that someone's shoveling food in their face in a picture if you didn't even ask them for a picture.

On the other hand though, it's awkward finding a candid picture of yourself online and all the comments are, "this person looks like shit."

>>7385762
I like these as long as I trust the photog to not post something in which I look like a complete idiot mess. If you take candida I strangers I think as long as you let them know you did it, it's okay.

>>7385762
I think the consensus is to ask the cosplayer if they're okay with it after you take the picture. Then you'll have your candid pic and the cosplayer will be happy you didn't just snap and run. If they don't want to, just delete the pic, but chances are many people will be alright with it. Telling them you took a picture will make you seem like a more decent person.

Seriously, are you saying furries are better people than cosplayers? Cosplayers can't even stomach the idea that some people in costume might want to cool off without some jackass taking a photo to smear their name all over the internet. Or post it on drama sites like /cgl/ in the bad cosplay threads. It's not like Karaoke is anime, it's not like speed dating is anime, or DDR is anime, or Halo/Smashbros/Homestuck is anime, nor fashion shows or lolita are anime. Yet these all get panels or rooms at anime cons. One little panel room that is between uses can't be a no-photo zone? Seriously? Or one hallway section? It doesn't need to be a private hotel room, they don't need to book more space or anything. All else fails, they can make the rule that the karaoke rooms are no photos except the singer if they want.

For the one troll samefagging the fuck out of this thread, you seem to think that everyone should run everywhere at cons. Want to sit? Go home. Need to pee? Throw out your costume. Want to eat? Better be in capsule form. Not everyone wants pictures. Just because your work is so sloppy that any picture is a 'good' picture, doesn't mean the rest of us want to show our work not at its finest. And for the whole "convention shouldn't provide it" bullshit, convention centers typically provide water and cups, is that anime? Why don't you go to your hotel room for that? Are you too cheap to buy a water bottle? They also provide bathrooms. Obviously they should tear those down, you can go to your hotel room or drive home for that. Save the con money!
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>>7385762
I think those aren't bad so long as they're still in all of their stuff. I've had more than enough pictures taken of me where I've got gloves off, other stuff off, and I'm texting on a phone. Shit's really annoying.

I'm all for repair desks. They have one at my favourite con. Not sure about a recovery lounge though. A no-photo area could be nice.

We have a repair room at ACen called the Cosstudio. All of the supplies you need are there to peruse without needing to go up to your room. There's also water and chairs to rest at and it's out of the way so it's a good place to go if you need to relax for a few. (For the record, we also have a huge rest area upstairs as well, so please don't think of this as part of the special snowflake bullshit.) The cosstudio also has panels for costume and wig construction throughout the weekend, as well as being open for a good long while. It's helped cut down on people finishing up last minute work in their hotel rooms (Not all, but some.), and given them a space where there's others to work with at the same time. It's been more successful and a positive experience than in years where everyone's been left high and dry.

>>7385094
Not a cosplayer (usually I'm the guy who just goes as the bodyguard for my friends and this year they told me to be Gamagori for the lulz because that's essentially my IRL personality) but in most places it's against the law to take someone's picture without their explicit consent.

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>>7385094
I'm also new to this board and mostly just passing through, but is it always this /arcanine/ in here? From everything I've heard about /cgl/ I assumed it was one of the few boards not populated by complete fucking autists but I could have heard wrong.

>>7390676
We get trolls from /r9k/ often, that's all that was.

>>7390676
It's always like that here, I think people from /r9k/ hear this is the "girl board" and come here to be assholes to everyone.

A cooldown room would be cool. My local con is pretty spread-out, so I don't actually know where the repair room is (I'm pretty sure there is one). They leave the panel rooms open all the time, so I've always just ducked into an empty one when I needed a break. There are usually a handful of other people there as well. There's also an Anime Wrestling thing in the main area, and it has a ton of seating.

Some people are just retarded about asking for pictures. I once helped a friend at her Artist's Alley table and people were asking for pics while we were hauling all her shit inside and assembling everything. Fuck's sake I'm going to be at this table for the next three days, come back literally any other time.

>>7381563
what chairs though? unless you're in the gamin room or some shit

>hides out in the gameroom a lot
>picks a quiet corner
>watches the SSBM tournament or whatever

>>7390676
public areas in the US it is completely legal to take your pic. so yeah you are wrong.

>>7391044
if that poster is in europe then he might have a point. in a lot of countries their photo laws are not as lax as ours

>>7391044
But a lot of cons aren't in public. Most cons take place on private property.

>>7391044
It's only legal if the person has given consent. One con I went to was filming stock footage for Heroes of Cosplay, and they kept it to a certain area with signs everywhere stating that you could be filmed if you walked into that area.

I don't think you can get millions for suing someone for taking your picture candidly, but they can probably get a fine if they distribute the photos online.

>>7392716
Not in a public area, as anon had specified, though. As someone who has worked as a photographer and with many great photographers, if you are in a public place (not saying cons are all public), anyone can take your photo without your consent.

>>7384078
this is some serious bate

>Getting mad because someone wants to take your picture
>The one thing a cosplayer should want

How autistic can you get.
>Walking around and looking at stuff is tough! I gotta sit!
How lazy can you get.

>>7392716
I. Anyone in a public place can take pictures of anything they want. Public places include parks, sidewalks, malls, etc. Malls? Yeah. Even though it’s technically private property, being open to the public makes it public space.

II. If you are on public property, you can take pictures of private property. If a building, for example, is visible from the sidewalk, it’s fair game.

III. If you are on private property and are asked not to take pictures, you are obligated to honor that request. This includes posted signs.

IV. Sensitive government buildings (military bases, nuclear facilities) can prohibit photography if it is deemed a threat to national security.

V. People can be photographed if they are in public (without their consent) unless they have secluded themselves and can expect a reasonable degree of privacy. Kids swimming in a fountain? Okay. Somebody entering their PIN at the ATM? Not okay.

VI. The following can almost always be photographed from public places, despite popular opinion:

accident & fire scenes, criminal activities
bridges & other infrastructure, transportation facilities (i.e. airports)
industrial facilities, Superfund sites
public utilities, residential & commercial buildings
children, celebrities, law enforcement officers
UFOs, the Loch Ness Monster, Chuck Norris
VII. Although “security” is often given as the reason somebody doesn’t want you to take photos, it’s rarely valid. Taking a photo of a publicly visible subject does not constitute terrorism, nor does it infringe on a company’s trade secrets.

VIII. If you are challenged, you do not have to explain why you are taking pictures, nor to you have to disclose your identity (except in some cases when questioned by a law enforcement officer.)

IX. Private parties have very limited rights to detain you against your will, and can be subject to legal action if they harass you.

>>7395762
And what is that from? You could be pulling this out your ass and making it sound official for all I know.

>>7395975
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law is a good start

>>7392716

>It's only legal if the person has given consent.

No. No consent is required if in public. Or in private areas, unless the owner of the property asks you to not snap photos.

Stop being a special snowflake.

>>7395762
But hotels and convention centers are considered private property. You have to pay to enter that area, you can't just walk in and do whatever you like. You also have to obey the event rules.

Let me clear a couple legal issues here, since it seems there is a lot of misinformation going around. Photos for commercial use (prints, personal advertising, etc) are a separate issue from personal photos (online gallery, personal collection, etc). Very little is illegal for personal photos, and it's what most con photos are. However, profiting off an individual's image is nearly always illegal without permission.

Private property and public property are separate boundaries. Public areas are those where anyone is allowed. If a hobo can sleep there, it's public regardless of if you paid to be there. (streets, bridges, national monuments) Interiors of buildings are nearly always private, except in certain cases. To correct the anon earlier, malls are typically private property, which is why you can be removed from them, but they have disclosures about having no expectations of privacy which allows photos. There are public malls, but it is because they declare themselves as public - there will be a sign or the name will contain public.

Hotels are always private property - it is a privately owned commercial building and they are allowed to make their own rules. Convention centers are also private unless owned by the state - which allows them to declare either way. Just being open to the public means nothing - leaving your front door open to the public does not make it public property. However, just being a private building does not mean photos are prohibited either.

If the private property does not denote that photography is illegal, photos that include more than one subject are always free game. If the sole subject is an individual, you must ascertain if any relative privacy exists. In a panel room, there is relative privacy, even if there are 30 other congoers in there. In the main thoroughfare, not so much.

>>7396126
Most conventions encourage photography and posting your photos to the convention photo albums afterwards.
What is so difficult about just keeping your cosplay together and photograph-ready in public for a day? Celebrities have to keep their game face on in public or risk unflattering photos. This is similar.

Seriously?
The arguing and 'debate' over this is just silly.
1. Ask your local con staff if they will consider doing this. Or
2. tell them some cosplayers are thinking about it but you think it's a silly waste of resources.

Some cons will go for it, some won't. Fussing about it on here either way isn't likely to affect whether it's going to happen at your local convention. Some will have resources to potentially provide this, some won't.

>>7383450
Shit happens. I've had several costumes where I've sewn it up at home, wore it around the house, only for it break or tore in an area. No one wants to lug around a repair kit, especially if they're committing to the con. Sometimes I leave still in the parking garage like at Magfest, but that's still a hike in the frigid cold just for a safety pin. It's just a lot of stress.

I seriously hate how all the non cosplayers in this thread don't get it. I would pay extra money for the connivence of a repair/rest area at a con.

>>7396169
Continuing, most conventions have a long tradition of photo taking, so it is assumed that the convention center allows photos anywhere that there is no expectation of privacy. Bathrooms have expectations of privacy, and small panel rooms might as well, depending on the con and content of the panel. (18+ panels have the expectation of privacy because of the topic, though it is debatable)

As you can tell by that whole spiel, photos of congoers, no matter how rude or ill timed, are usually legal. While I wish photographers would have the decency to delete a photo that did not turn out well, there is no expectation of it.

For my personal opinion, I don't think a repair room is necessary. My costumes are typically finished and in good repair at cons, and I keep supplies in my room for such an occasion that there be problems. I do believe a major foot traffic hallways, dealers rooms, and artists alleys should be absolutely no photos, though. For the hallways, it's a traffic issue. We've all seen the blockades because of a photo mob. Dealers dens typicall have the same blocking issue. Artists Alleys I believe should be no photos to prevent theft of artist works, as well as the traffic issue.

I also believe there should be areas where photography should be specifically encouraged. A large open area, or a particularly scenic area would be lovely to have. Not that photography needs to be banned in all other areas, but one area that is well equipped to handle it would be nice.

Some cosplayers here seem extra sensitive to bad photos, which seems odd. I can see why they want a no photo room, I just don't think it's necessary.

>>7391044
Most hotels are considered private property though, like the Gaylord for Magfest/ katsucon . So yes, you need permission for photos.

Yeeeah, no. That way you're pretty much saying OK to taking pics anywhere, whenever the idiots want and the only safe spot is that room. If I wanna sit down and rest from these damn shoes, I should be able to do so whenever I want to. I don't want to have to run to a special room to do what is my right.

Let's educate the assholes who can't take a no instead. I agree with the anon that we should have a "photo area" instead.

I think it sounds like a good idea. Not some so speshul VIP lounge like some people seem to think it would be, just a no photos allowed zone that anyone can go into if they want. If a con wanted to do this, I wouldn't mind. Hell, I'd even pay extra for it if that's what they decided.

>>7396126
>But hotels and convention centers are considered private property. You have to pay to enter that area, you can't just walk in and do whatever you like. You also have to obey the event rules.
I have been to many cons to take pictures and not paid a dime. There are spaces other than behind the badge-only areas. And if you're in a non-badge area you don't have to follow any con rules, because you're not participating in the con. Basically, you're fucking wrong. If I'm at a con taking pictures, I can take them with or without your consent, and there is fuck-all you can do about it.

>>7396566
Not quite

The venue is private property, they rent some if not all of their space to the event, and thus pass jurisdiction to the event, thus photos allowed because con says so.

If you're outside of con areas but still in the venue, venue rules apply instead, and by default they tend to say no to random photo taking unless you're paying to be there, so you're actually more restricted.

>>7383492
Um, rooms cost money. Esp if it's in a convention center. Here, lemme just toss a thousand or so dollars into a room that's has nothing In it but chairs. A room I could use for programming to drive more people to come to my con, but nope, it's a lounge. I'm just gonna eat that loss of money and the grand majority of the con-goers complaining about the waste of space.

What all of you seem to be missing is that's it's not JUST the price of the supplies, it's the price of the room. If the con is in a hotel, they probably get a lot of discounts if the room block fills up. If it's in a convention center, they're paying full price and it's expensive.

>>7383504
>>not for profit
>>thinks it means it goes to charities

All cons run by a company are 'non profit'
It's for taxes

>>7383535
Do you people live in small ass towns or something? Driving from my house to the movie heather takes 30 min. If I needed something at my house that's only 30 min away, I def go get it during a con, that's normal drive time for me.

>>7383722
Lemme enlighten you on D*Con and why they con do this:
The venues are free. All 4 hotels get booked completely and so they get all the panel and dealers room, etc for free. They don't pay a dime for the space.
They don't have to pay guests. Everyone of those big name actors come for free because they charge for autographs and make a killing.
They already own their equipment and they rent it out to other cons.

D*Con just sits there and rakes in money. They don't pay for shit, and everyone throws money at them. They can afford stuff like that, where most cons can't.

>>7396773
>If you're outside of con areas but still in the venue, venue rules apply instead, and by default they tend to say no to random photo taking unless you're paying to be there, so you're actually more restricted.
None of the places I've been to, from convention centers to hotels, has any sort of policy barring the general public taking pictures inside their hotel. They *could* ask someone to leave since it's their property, but they wouldn't do that during a convention. You're going to be hard-pressed to convince anyone that YOUR little special snowflake ass had a picture taken without your permission, all the while SURROUNDED by sea of other people dressed up, getting pictures taken by the dozens of photographers in the immediate vicinity let alone the rest of the hotel.

So like I said - you can do fuck-all about it.

>>7397237
Maybe you didn't pick up that the discussion was about legal rights. Fucks can be done, doesn't mean they are but they can be. I've seen venues put their foot down before, they don't give two shits about the event you're at, it's just another business day to them

So you took photos in an area you weren't allowed to be in - and you think it'd be difficult to prove? If only there was some sort of.... photographic evidence...

>>7397344
>Maybe you didn't pick up that the discussion was about legal rights
Maybe you didn't pick up where there is nothing illegal about taking pictures of people in public, or in the case of conventions or hotel lobbies while a VERY open to the public event is being held.

>So you took photos in an area you weren't allowed to be in - and you think it'd be difficult to prove? If only there was some sort of.... photographic evidence...
What area are you talking about? The one where I said it was an area that didn't even require a badge, and hence is NOT in an area that I wasn't allowed in? That area? Yeah right. Get stuffed.

>>7397439
>>outside of con areas but still in the venue
>What area are you talking about?

Which part of that are you struggling with?

If you don't need a badge to be there then it is not part of the con, if it still in the venue then it falls under default venue policy. IF default policy is no photos, and it often is, then no photos it is. It's true that they might not bother to enforce it, but getting away with it is not the same as having the right to do it.

Doesn't matter if the doors are open and they're letting the public in, it is still private property with private rules. At no point does it magically become public property. If you really want to be on public property and certain of your legal rights, you usually have to be entirely outside of the grounds of the venue. Entranceways, plazas, gardens, parking lots, all private.

>>7398127
>Boo hoo, butt-hurt.
That was the point I'd already made - I can take pics, it's NOT illegal, and nobody at the place hosting the con will even lift a finger if you whine to them about it.

>>7398910
>>>I can take photos!
>>Not if venue says no.
>That's my point!

Your reading comprehension is flawless.

As already mentioned, you'd be surprised. Some venues are quite ruthless, cons are very minor events to them.

>>7398981
>As already mentioned, you'd be surprised. Some venues are quite ruthless, cons are very minor events to them.
My reading IS flawless. It was said it is illegal to take pics - it's not. It was said photogs would get thrown out of the con - they won't. So, to sum up, you're a fucking idiot who would whine if someone took a pic without your permission, and nobody at a con would give two fucks about your ass.

>>7398998
Hey kid, if you're inside the convention center, but not inside the actual con grounds [you know, that area you need a pass to get into] they might have different rules. If they say no pictures, you're not allowed to take pictures. If you do it and don't get caught, good job, you rebel, you! If you end up getting in trouble though, shit's on you and you may get kicked out of venue, which the con is inside of, so good luck getting back in there.

Obviously this is all hypothetical since most venues don't have these rules, but stop saying it's not against the rules if the example is that it is.

>>7399027
Plenty do, they're mostly there to use against unflattering photos of their venue, or so they can stack photo permission as an extra charge on top of numerous other hidden costs for events.