/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

newest post on egl, almost hit every pet peeve I have

>done tons of research! But is Bodyline OK?
>I mean I love AP, except if it's like kiddy, I'm not an age player OK!
>My parents hate it! How will I be an uguu lolita?!
>I mean I would NEVER buy a replica.

'Hey, help me pick out an outfit when I have literally given you zero information on my style preferences (except of course no age play shit!) or my size. Oh I've lurked for a while but is Bodyline OK? Are they ok to order from?!'

The jimmies are rustled.

>>7379866
ok I'm sorry, now it says she's interested in 'sweet lolita specifically' so at least I can mark that off the list.

I'd love to host a larger, fancier meet in my area, involving renting a venue, and possibly getting catering and a photographer. What would be the best way to drum up interest in surrounding communities, and possibly get girls to travel a bit?

Just contacted a shopping service for the first time ever, and my nerves are so shot. I really, REALLY would love to win this auction- my dream dress is up, man.

I need a goddamn drink

>>7380067
Congrats anon! I wish you all the best.

>>7379914
how about a raffle prize?

>>7380095

Thank you! I just hope the girl contacts me back. I've never used a shopping service, so I'm worried for now. I think I did everything right, but I didn't want to seem like a cockstain by bugging people here for mbok shopping services

>>7379914
It depends where you are (general location) and how far you expect people to travel, etc. but yes, raffle, some sort of competition, the photographer, lovely, elegant venue for a party, maybe a theme and little swag bags.

>>7380121
How far so you think people would be willing to travel to an event like this? My comm is in the middle of 3 different comms within a 2-3 hour drive.

What is you guys' favorite place to shop for bloomers? Since it's not a totally necessary element in Lolita (that other people can see, anyways) I've been neglecting shopping for some. So I'd like to hear some opinions!

>>7380215
I have a couple from ririnhime and they do the trick just fine.

ifwinterends does it again! hahahahahaha

>>7380513
Linklinklinkkkkkk.

>>7380524
http://egl.livejournal.com/19568733.html

omgowsh guiz, did you know... she lives in JAPAN? You know, in Japan? And like, other currencies don't exist, only the YEN. And one time she saw a picture of a crappy dress so ALL CHINESE BRANDS ARE CRAPPY!

not even touching the BL comment

>>7380535
oh right, and fuck sluts in short shorts and cleavage, never forget to slut shame

>>7380535
Bwahahaha.

>ur mental disability is really sad
>laughing to grave

Damn. I knew she was crazy about no BL but I never realized she hated Taobao too.

>>7380535
oh noes if you wear bodyline you will be shunned by lolitas in japan!! who really gives a fuck though? i don't like bodyline either but that noob girl is not going to find an ap print dress for cheaper than BL on any planet, more like a solid colored old school meta skirt if she gets lucky.

Does anyone know of or have a list of offbrand search terms for mbok/y!aj? I'm not sure how often offbrand items are auctioned but I thought I'd at least try... I'm looking for the terms for Krad Lanrete and Infanta in particular, if anyone knows them.

>>7380629
Nah man, you can find $50 AP dresses that are printed on occasion, but they're normally unpopular prints.

>>7380629
Forgot: A solid coloured old school Meta skirt can be found for as cheap as $5-10 if you look hard enough.

>>7380513
I want to reply about her logic with Bodyline re: how she's basically saying "It started as a costume shop, and it still sells costumes. Even if they sell lolita dresses that look like lolita dresses, they're still costumes, because Bodyline still makes costumes." But... what's the point? She never actually responds to anything but ass licking.

>>7380544
She hates everything that isn't precious Nippon. Remember how she shat on some indie designer who has major experience (granted, terrible service for at least one customer) despite a) never having seen this person's work in person and b) showing her ignorance re: garment construction in the process.

But, while we're on the subject of her mental disability, I wonder why she's always shitting on the "vulgar modern fashion" with thighs and cleavage and blah blah blah when..... she works as a bar girl at a cafe? I would bet donuts that she wears something "Slutty" to work.

>>7380696
>she works as a bar girl at a cafe
>works as a bar girl at a cafe
>bar girl
Wut. When did this happen? Has she always worked there? Shit man, I'm so far behind on my ifwinterends dramu. I'd love to see what she'd say about working at the cafe and the clothes she has to wear. I just want someone to ask her. And then read her giant run-on paragraph response.

Also, has it ever been confirmed that she actually has some kind of mental disability?

>>7380687
Do you mean the base price for auction? You'd have to consider the additional SS fees and shipping. Or on western comms? Sure you can get lucky and find a freak auction that no one bids on but I don't think you can get a printed AP dress delivered to your door for $50.

>>7380710
Whoops, looked it up--she worked/works in a maid cafe, not a bar cafe.

It came up during the Bodyline Venus posts, when she was crying because Venus posted a video of a dance in a maid cafe and that was horrible and terribly rude of her. But calling out specific people who work at specific stores as too ugly and not suitable for lolita isn't rude, apparently.

>>7380723
What a basketcase. Are there any pictures of her out there? (See, so far behind on the dramu- doesn't know a damn thing) I feel like everything would be made even better if she was an ita. Just saying. God, that sounds terrible.

>>7380734
Here's one of the ones where she didn't hide her face.

>>7380736
damn gurl. that 'uncanny-long aging white woman trying to be a cute teenager' face.

wouldn't even mind if she wasn't such a hypocritical bitch, at least she doesn't look horribly dressed but can't tell so well... disappointingly not-ita overall

>>7380736
She looks like someone's mom. Yikes.

>>7380736
Well, damn. Besides that weird face that she was making it didn't seem too bad.

>>7380743
she actually is a teenager as far as I'm aware. She's going to school over there

ifwinterends is the new shiverling. I wonder how old both of them are.

>>7380714
I mean ending prices for auctions and also in the secondhand stores (online and offline).

>>7380788
Shiverling wasn't even this delusional

>>7380805
Ehhhh.... I don't know about that. It's annoying that ifwinterends never replies, but shiverling was much worse in her heyday. She'd reply and reply and devolve into such ridiculous shit that it got pointless to even read what she said.

>>7380771
Haha no she's late 20s-early 30s

>>7380829
oh really? interesting, when she talked about going to school before it sounded like it was early college or something... where did you see her age?

How do you get a post out of the moderation queue on the comm sales? every post I've ever posted has just disappeared. Not been rejected (had no rejection message), just vanished. I follow all the rules and everything, so I don't really understand. Does this happen a lot?

Is it rude to ask a girl how she's affording all her brand?

>>7380960
Have you tried messaging a mod? It took a while to get my post approved. When I first submitted it, it apparently got rejected but I didn't receive any message. I had to message a mod to find out. It took about a week for my revised post to get approved.

>>7381126
Yes, because it's her business. Wether she have an actual job or it's mommy and daddy paying for her, it's none or your business at all.

>>7381126
I would think it was odd if someone asked me out of nowhere but I wouldn't be offended. Bring it up when they're talking about a new purchase. Like "another new piece? How do you keep up?"

>>7381126

yes because most of the time when people ask they either think

1. someone else is paying for it (gold digger, spoiled brat)
2. you're into some illicit activity (camwhoring, selling panties)

no one ever assumes someone has a job anymore.

>>7381126

Yes. My money is nobody's business but mine.

But then again, I also think it's really rude when people start harping on about how expensive everything is and how they can only afford Bodyline etc. at meets.

>>7381126
Yes, and it also has the *potential* to make you look like an ass because you failed to infer that she simply has a good job. Is it hard to believe she affords stuff the same way the average person does?
This is how I imagine somebody offended by that question would react.

>>7381126
It depends on what your friendship status is with her, and her personality. I think it's a little odd if you just ask someone you don't know so well, but if you swing it into a conversation about their job, and give them compliments on how they must be great at saving money it will seem like you're genuinely interested in her job not just her secret to burando. The key to asking these kinds of questions is to make the person you're asking feel good about themselves.

>>7381131
>>7381160
>>7381161
>>7381165
All these bitches must have had a bad experience.

>>7381176

you never talk about finances with anyone unless you have to, it's impolite

>>7381186
Asking about someone's job isn't the same as asking about finances, learn to read.

>>7381189

the original question wasn't "I want to ask a girl where she works" it was "how do I ask a girl how she affords all of her stuff"

>>7381126
I always like reading replies to the question because it shows how hard working people can be and it also shows how many Lolitas have really good jobs and educations, or had a tough up bringing but have grown out from it and work multiple jobs. Overall, I've rarely seen people saying they have other people pay for their Lolita or do camwhoring but rather prove they're very diligent individuals. I also really enjoy reading about people who have teleworking jobs because I wish I had one...

But considering how many times the question has been brought up, if you're only curious as to how Lolitas in general afford their brand, you can look through archives without the risk of offending someone.

>>7381191
Can you re-read my comment then? I told her to ask about her job not about how much money she makes. Use reading comprehension before you act like you know what's up/

I just bought my first JSK! I have no idea what type of blouse will fit well with it though. Any tips on what style blouse I should get? Preferably a taobao blouse. Thanks!

>>7380689
Old meta luckpack skirts are usually around 20-30 dollars shipped too

I plan on studying abroad next year.. and i want to get into mbok and yj auctions but is it doable without a Japanese cellphone/japanese credit card or will i still need a shopping service?

mbok seems pretty hard for foreigners to get accounts

>>7381128
Thanks, I'll try that.

>>7381126
I think so, you don't usually ask other people in hobbies or with a certain lifestyle how they afford their hobby/lifestyle, do you?

It's also kind of pointless because it's not like there is ever any magical answer. Why would you think it was any different from a person being able to afford any other hobby or interest?

>>7381161
I think this as well. It's pretty awkward and gauche when we are all dressed to the nines and out to have fun when someone tanks the conversation with their personal finance woes. Instant wet blanket as well as TMI.

>>7381246
As far as the type of blouse(high collar, Peter Pan collar, sheer etc.) any kind would look ok IMO. What style are you going for. Sweet? All white coord? Do you have shoes or know what kind you want to get? Accessories?
Both of these blouses are on taobao. Chiffon blouses would be good if you're going for an all white coord.

>>7381246
>>7381338
Or try a colored blouse. Since it's an all white jsk you could add what ever colors you like. This blouse comes in other colors too

>>7381338
I'm trying to go for an all white hime coord! Pic related are the shoes I have and I was going to either get a tiara or a round headdress and lace gloves... I'm failry new to lolita so I'm not so great with accessories. Any tips would be appreciated!

>>7381360
do you have a picture of what kind of tiara you're thinking about? I've seen a lot of itas trying to do hime with a tiara. Make sure your hair is impeccable.

>>7380629
>oh noes if you wear bodyline you will be shunned by lolitas in japan!!

I don't think that was relevant to the OP at EGL since she doesn't even live in Japan, haha.

But now I'm curious if this is really true or just a winter-ism.
I know for a fact that there are some BL things listed in older G&LB street snaps.
At Tokyofashion dot com, I looked at the street snaps and there were very few for the Bodyline tag and fewer still for Bodyline Lolita. Interesting. Anyone else have more info to add about this?

>>7381380
I was just going to get this one!
And I have a hime gyaru wig from Prisila!
I'm actually terrified of looking like an ita haha so I'm trying me best to make sure everything is perfect...

>>7380664
just look up those terms? i dont think all foreign words always get put into katakana

>>7381391
I've read something on a blog (a chick nammed Kaho I think) that most japanese lolitas still consider bodyline as a sex shop and will never admit having something from them, they would rather say 'it's a gift' or 'I forgot' than saying the name

Anyone have tips for repairing brand? I recently got a dress, and though it's in great condition print-wise, the seams are looking pretty busted (definitely not what I was expecting!!). Is it feasible to get it taken to a seamstress and have her reinforce/resew the seams? As it is, I'm too nervous to try it on for fear of ripping it entirely.

I just recently became interested in old school and I'm thinking about buying this JSK but I have no idea how to coord it (like with what colors)? I feel like I'd be confined to doing only shiro coords. Help?

>>7381176
God, I have a friend who scrutinizes every little goddamn thing I buy with my money. She asks me how much something I bought was all the time or "That must've been expensive." She asks how much I pay for rent. How much my phone bill is. She also says things in a general way, like "Oh I would NEVER pay xxx for xxx!" when it's something I want. She would seriously ask me how much something cost every time we would hang out, like a bag I bought or whatever. I now always lie and tell her it's a lot less because a) I don't care about lying to her anymore at this point and b) it's the only way she will get off my case.

She lives off of welfare too, for more than I make. I work 9-5 at a job barely above minim wage. She cosplays and goes to conventions but then complains about not having enough money for food. She complains about the price of everything and won't buy something unless she can't find it for less anywhere or can get a good deal/haggle. A $7 meal? Too much for her. She tries to find something to eat for $1-2. (Protip: maybe don't eat out if you can't afford it?)

Needless to say I don't go out of my way to hang out with her anymore. I'd call her out but she is kinda crazy creepy reputation-tarnishing and I don't want to open that can of worms.

No loli feels thread, so I'm assuming this would belong here but

>87cm bust, cool I can fit a lot of blouses
>66cm waist, cool, I can fit a lot of shorts/skirts
>BAM 91cm hips haha have fun trying to make a cute ouji coord

I only ever see the waist sizes listed for shorts and it's like, yeah I can fit that, but what about the ass?
And then I either take a gamble, or if its from a private seller, I have to mail them and go through the awkward "Hey my ass is huge in comparison to the rest of me, could you list the hips please?" conversation.

Even worse, I posted a coord to /cgl/ a while back and was told I have a face suited for ouji, so I look like a little boy in lolita, and I can't fit the bottoms in ouji, augh.
/vent

>>7381450
That's funny! I'll have to check out more street snaps to see if I spot some more. Poor Mr Yan, he said the Lolita brand people don't like him either since he is Chinese and because he undersells. Doomed to tawdry limbo.
/sage

>>7381391
What ever happened to her blog?

>>7381450 was meant for this >>7382009

>>7381840
At least you'll have the ass for the super poofy pumpkin pants? I'm 65cm waist/88cm hip but I don't have that issue, I guess the extra 3cm must make a bit of difference...

Is this an ok first coord? I would love crit!

>>7382083
I love it. I would have preferred a more ornate heart bag but the one you have is fine

>>7382083
Looks good to me! As long as your makeup and wig look flattering on you I don't think you can screw it up lol.

I have tried to google this to no avail. Does anyone know if the Custom House PU swatch #67 matte is metallic gold? I am trying to buy gold shoes and would prefer a matte finish as opposed to patent (#78). Thanks!

>>7382470

Pic

I know this isn't the most exciting coord, but I'm fairly pleased with how it's going so far. Any thoughts/suggestions? I'm a bit stuck on the blouse, because I don't have the smallest bust in the world. I would like to keep the crown, but I'm super open to critique!

>>7382083
link to tights? I saw them on storenvy but I know they're on ebay for cheaper, if you've got a link

>>7382470
did you try just asking your ss to confirm?

>>7382508
This is cute - source on the necklace?

>>7382540

Thanks! It's from here:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w1017-1434214687.51.REKnEV&id=20180604898&

>>7382508
You could do a lot better. Ger rid of pretty much everything but the dress.

>>7382550

And replace them with what?

>>7382510
I found the tights here!
http://sandysshop.storenvy.com/products/5313484-lolita-lace-dot-stripe-white-fishnet-tights
I'm not really sure how I feel about them though... I'm contemplating getting some innocent world over the knees or the romantic Rose letter white tights.
>>7382139
And thanks! I'm pretty terrible at picking bags so I kinda just picked that one since it was simple. Any suggestions?

>>7382564

I think a navy blouse would look nice. Something flowy and chiffony. Go with blue shoes, too. I actually think the tights you have are cute, just play up the blues in the dress with your blouse and shoes. Your accessories can pull out the brighter blues then, too.

>>7382605

Yeah, that makes sense! I honestly hated those shoes, but I'm still new to learning where to find decent ones.

Thank you so much!

So I dunno if anyone remembers from the last thread but I tried placing an order for some IW reserve things a day after the reserve period ended. I'm kind of stuck in limbo now because the items have been released and I haven't received any response from them (likely due to the sale traffic) and I'm not sure if they would still take the order I placed then or if they'd cancel it and I'd have to try again. Emailing them would just clog their inbox even further. I think I won't try anything like this again in the future as I feel kind of silly now.

>tfw lolitas on egl are having a discussion about price manipulation being a good thing...

Have any of you anons been buying the "novelty" items BTSSB has been releasing lately? I was really sad I missed out on the blanket, but when I saw they were coming out with earmuffs, I made sure to get asap. I just got them today and, to be honest, I'm kind of disappointed with them. They're not very good quality, especially compared with the promo shots on the box. The bows and lace are glued on and the wire came all twisted. Granted, they were only 2100 yen, but then again, I paid about $20, not including shipping, for mid-poor quality earmuffs.

Are other brand novelties like this of generally poorer quality? It's fun to have brand that I can "secretly" wear, but not if it looks cheap.

>>7382623
I don't own any BTSSB mook items so I can't comment there, but I'm pretty happy with the quality of the IW violin mook tote.

>>7382605
Nah man, those tights have got to go. They look really cheap with the dress. Some plain white OTKs or textured stockings would look a lot better.

>>7382623
The only brand novelty items I have are the AP Sugary Carnival tote and IW violin tote. I see both lasting a long time. The valentines watch Baby just put out is on the way. To be honest, the quality doesn't look that good in the promo pics. The band looks cheap. Brand quality? Probably not, but it's not at brand price either. I'm not too worried. It's probably on par with other watches in that price range and will serve its purpose.

>>7382666

Even with a navy blouse? It just seems like a lot of solid white on the legs would look odd with so little on the top...

But I could totally be wrong!

>>7382508
Where are those tights from? Super cute.

does japonica just not refund you anymore?
I lost an auction and I sent them ~140 USD. They told me I lost the bid, but haven't put through the refund even though I emailed them to. They used to do it instantly...what's the deal?

Okay, I have a question for you lolitas. I've admired the fashion since high school, but I'm currently working three jobs that don't pay anything (for my future career) and my parents are supporting me with a place to sleep and a fridge full of food, but not "spending money" for anything other than necessities. I love clothes and fashion, and I know how to get through a thrift store or clearance rack full of junk and find like 5 stylish peices for $25. Is there anything wrong with dressing lolita "inspired" on a daily basis until I can afford brand, or will I get called ita? I'm thinking 1950's style knee length skirts that don't look too sad without petticoats, button up blouses, tights in a coordinated color, and feminine close toed shoes. I'm not going to post myself on the internet and tag it lolita either. Also, I feel like this is kind of a taboo question, but does anyone have any tips on achieving a lolita aesthetic very cheaply? Particularly for someone who just likes full skirts and the concept of innocence and femininity in fashion, not necessarily weeaboo anything.

I am moving from sweet to... sweet dresses in black colorways. Can I call this bitter sweet? Why or why not?

>>7382768
for someone who's supposedly been into the style and a lurker for years you don't seem to know much

>>7382774
Lurker on this board for less than a year. Lurker on a really cringe-worthy british alternative fashion site for about three years, that probubly rotted my brain. And before that I had a friend in highschool who liked lolita, but I just admired that she always wore bizarre things in public. In truth, she probubly didn't dress very well, she mostly did things for shock value.

>>7382771
Bittersweet is not a style. It is, literally, sweet prints in the black colorway. There is no motiff or aesthetic (other than the black colorway of the dress) that is any different than just plain old sweet.

tl:dr bittersweet does not exist, it is just sweet with a black colorway

I know it's a slow board but I need help asap, cross posting from the shopping thread.
In Germany are packages declined for having the wrong name? Couple of days ago I shipped a package to Germany, yesterday the buyer messaged me asking if I sent it to the right address. I asked, and she confirmed the address is correct, but the recipient name is wrong. She said she had packages "blocked" because of wrong recipient name. Will her package be returned?

>>7382791
So... can I say I prefer bittersweet prints? As opposed to being a bittersweet lolita?

Idk personally I think bittersweet sounds really cute and makes sense to say as a preference.

>>7382808
I don't know about the laws... but can you confirm that you shipped to the address she specified on the Paypal invoice? And with tracking? Because then you're covered via Paypal tos

>>7382821
No, it doesn't make sense because it's just a sweet print in the black colorway... The term was discussed years ago in the west which brought up 'is this actually a substyle' questions and it was obvious it wasn't, because it's just sweet in the black colorway of the dress and that's it.

You can do whatever you want, but you're going to get some side eyes and chuckles because it sounds special snowflake.

>>7382822
>can you confirm that you shipped to the address she specified on the Paypal invoice?
Yes it was a storenvy sale
>And with tracking?
And yes.
My ass is pretty well covered, I video tape myself wrapping the package and took a photo of it at the post office. But having to deal with returned packages are meddlesome.

>>7382840
Oh paypal doesn't actually take photos or videos as evidence, they told me that directly. But I guess that's nice of you to do heh

>>7382840
Sorry, I mean, the name you shipped to is the same name provided by paypal?

>>7382850
Omg it's the name she put on store envy, her PayPal name is something else, am I fucked over?
Also did they explain why photos and videos don't count as evidence? Because what else would then.

>>7382877
I was in a situation where (it was a misunderstanding mostly...) the seller said she had shipped my item and sent me a picture of the package. But she didn't actually ship it, just sent me a picture of the form all fileld out, never gave me a tracking number, then disappeared. I filed a claim and told paypal that I hadn't gotten my package, but I was afraid that the picture of the package with the customs form all filled out and my name on it would give the seller some ground to stand on against my claim. Paypal then told me 'we don't take photographs or screenshots or anything of that nature as evidence since everything these days can be edited or taken out of context in some way.' Long story short the girl had lost internet or something, I dunno, I don't care, I got my money back and that was the end of it.

If you have the same Name and Address that Paypal sent you, then you should be fine... If her storeenvy name is different then I dont' think that's your problem.

>>7382889
But I stupidly assumed that her storenvy would be same as PayPal and sent it to her using her storenvy name. I guess in your case it's good they disregarded her photos, she had no tracking number too. but mine are pretty legit and I mailed it with tracking so I hope they are of some use if I ever need them.

>>7382895
Welllll... you should have shipped to the address/name exactly as it was on the Paypal payment. But honestly why doesn't the dumb bitch have a quick word with her mail person or post office and say "sometimes I get mail under X name too"?

>>7382895
Well what I am telling you is they did not say 'we're not goingto accept her photos' they literally said 'We do not accept any photos or screenshots as evidence of transactions' so no, the photos and videos are not going to help you with Paypal unless it goes to some kind of court lawsuit...

>>7382902
Going by that logic, if I bought a dress and a scammer shipped me a ball of fluff in a box, any photos I take are useless too. But thank you for all your clarifications.

>>7382900
Yea I made a mistake, just hoping things will turn out fine. I'll be extra extra careful next time

German or not, has anyone's mail been rejected for wrong recipient name? If there's such a thing, and my mother in law was the only person home, she can't collect my mail for me because her name isn't on the package.

>>7382919
Um, then you say 'item not as described' since that is a legitimate reason for a claim. I'm sorry that I made you realize that your photos and videos are useless.

>>7382919
>>7382895
>>7382922
just for reference

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-claims-Archive/Photographic-Evidence-for-Claims/td-p/69019

>I have given Paypal a call but they said they cannot photographic evidence

So anyway, that was 2010, and my issue was last year, so they haven't changed their policy on that regard. Sorry, no need to get defensive about it.

>>7382768
just don't call it lolita and no one will give a shit. wear what you want.

>>7382922
No, don't be sorry, I'm just trying to learn more about PayPal works, I'm not mad or upset over anything you said. if any photographic proof that the item was not as described becomes invalid if PayPal is consistent with enforcing the no photo-video-proof rule, right?

>assum I sell a dress
>ship a box of fluff to buyer instead
>seller bitches to PayPal, with photos
>I say, her photos could have been doctored! You guys said photo proof don't count!

That's what I meant.

>>7382931
Yeah that's not how those claims work unfortunately. They don't accept photo evidence at all, so if a seller gets a damaged or scammed item and they make a claim that it isn't as described, all they have to do is ship the item back and provide a tracking number to the claim, and they get their money back. But they do have to ship the item back, or ship something back in any case. Yeah, sucks. Paypal heavily favors the buyer in almost all cases.

>>7382935
>>7382928
...the more I read your link the more tempted I am to steal / fraud others for my own profit. PayPal is full of loopholes. It doesn't seem difficult at all..

>>7382941
Ituh... it really isn't... I had to kind of hold myself back the last time I made a big eBay purchase because they sent it to my old address even after they told me they had updated it to my newest paypal address... and I could have easily claimed the money back even though I managed to get my package at myold address.

>>7382791
>Shiro is not a style. It is, literally, lolita fashion in the white. There is no motiff or aesthetic (other than the white colorway of the dress) that is any different than just plain old lolita. tl:dr shiro does not exist, it is just lolita with a white colorway


That's what you sound like.

>>7382948
Well it's not really. You could do any style all in white.

>>7382948
? You sound like an idiot. Shiro has an overall aesthetic of WHITE throughout the entire outfit and accessories/shoes/legware, you retard. 'Bittersweet' has no overall motiff to differentiate itself, it's just sweet... Why is that so hard for you to understand?

>>7382948
Except that shiro has been an accepted substyle for a long time, and bittersweet would be like saying "I'm a Dark Classic" Lolita
Or "I'm a Pink Country Lolita". Sub-sub style classification isn't that common? People could do it, but it does have the snowflake vibe to it among other Lolitas.

>>7382771
I think it's tempting to find a way to describe your own Lolita esthetic or style and how it differs from other people's but why not say, "I'm a sweet Lolita with a darker side" or "I'm a sweet Lolita who has currently taken a dark turn".
/sage for just my 2 cents

Question: Do you think pic-related could be made to suit both lolita and cosplay if commissioned from a good lolita seamstress?

I was thinking that the outer layer of the dress could be commissioned with the longer princess sleeves made removable, and two bows made for it in the cosplay blue and a plain black. Underneath could be a little dipper underskirt in white with appropriate A-line petti underneath.

>>7382973
Also, of course, all of the dress would be made more for a proper lolita aesthetic. Good fabric, longer length, etc...

I think it could be such a lovely cosplay if it was made well, but that requires commissioning, so I may as well make it more loliable to wear elsewhere.

>>7382973
>>7382976
to make it appropriate for both lolita and the cosplay you're going to come out with a dress that looks nothing like the character's... so might as well stick with an accurate cosplay instead. Not to mention, you're going ot be spending a couple hundred if you actually want a decent garment made, and I don't think you want to waste that on something you're trying to make fit both the cosplay and lolita because it will be a wonky lolita OP as well as an inaccurate cosplay.

>>7382973
If you made the sleeves and chest bow detachable it would look like a basic classic/slightly old-school piece. The boob-window part is pretty ita, but if you make it a bib-style piece instead of a cutout you can have a square neckline with neckties underneath for lolita wear.

It wouldn't work if you wanted the cosplay to look truly lolita, but if you want the dress to be workable for both occasions then it's workable.

>>7382957
but are most candies and cakes black? do people think of black and darkness when they think of happy bakeries and candy shops?
although i disagree with peoples need to give every substyle a stupid name, i can understand why they call it bittersweet?? wearing black coords with sweet elements =/= OTT pinku totes kawaii desune
however SINCE the coord is overtly black and not say, pink, i really dont know the point of giving it a name since the differentiation is so apparent

>>7383019
>boob-window part is pretty ita
So you are saying most of MM and IW's designs are ita?

>>7383025
>wearing black coords with sweet elements =/= OTT pinku totes kawaii desune
>wearing black coords with sweet elements

Besides the fact that all sweet isn't OTT, I'm pretty sure what you described is just sweet. There is no need to substyle it because it doesn't belong in a substyle. Black can be sweet. (Just like white can be gothic and pink can be classic; it all depends on how it's coorded.) It doesn't need it's own name. (Which, I know you said it didn't need, so I guess I'm just reiterating.)

>>7382740
I'm sure someone told me that Japonica keep your money but you put it towards your next purchase instead, but that could have been another SS.
Something to do with paypal fees.

>>7382771
I call it bittersweet in my head too, anon.
Best just to call in 'sweet in darker colourways' out loud/online hower.

>>7383025
But the cakes and candies aren't black. They're pink and pastel coloured just like on all the other colourways. You make out that there's some kind of dark or gothic element to the dress but no, it's just a black background instead of a mint or pink or lavender background. It's still exactly the same sweet print

>>7383027
they normally have buttons and pintucks though

>>7383027
>>7383117
Yea without buttons or pintucks or ruffles or clasps, boobwindow by itself tends to be prevalent mostly in maid or ita stuff. It would look classier with a pintucked bib and a belted waist but that would make it inaccurate for the cosplay.

>>7382615
Okay, just logged into my email today and out of nowhere there was a "You better pay this invoice or we'll ban you" PayPal message from them. I paid it, but I had never gotten any previous invoice or order confirmation. I've never had that happen with IW before as I've always received all their mail without any problems. The actual invoice I can blame on PayPal, but I think IW might have forgotten to send me the confirmation and "Hi, we sent you an invoice" emails, and now I look like a lazy customer.

>>7383029
>Black can be sweet.
>white can be gothic and pink can be classic
but anon thats way to hard for lolis to grasp
after all, black is the one true goth color

joking aside i think color is like literally the first thing you subconsciously notice in anything, so i think thats usually the first basis for categorizing a style (im not saying its right or wrong, im just saying its kindof a human reaction... hence goth = omg so goth desu)

>>7382919
If you go to court about it you can used the pictures!

I like the name bittersweet, it sounds adorable. This was all decided by lolitas online anyway, and it's stupid it is considered Special Snowflake when no anon, I just love the name, and so do many more. And wearing pink/pastel sweet is very different than black sweet. Black is a bit more mature, so I see no harm with it getting its own name for that reason. I say let bittersweet stick for those who only want black sweet dresses in their wardrobe.

Looking for coord advice for this meta jsk I am in process of buying. I have tons of ideas for my regular wardrobe- which is why I'm buying it.
But I have less then zero ideas for Lolita.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

>>7383275
Bollocks. It's about as snowflakey as you can get. Imagine how stupid you'd sound if you had a special name for sweet lolitas who only wore pink, or sax, or mint, or lavender. Black backgrounds don't look any more mature to an identical OTT coord in another colour, the maturity of the look is dependant on styling.

Herpdurp black is my favourite colour ever and I think this is a cute name therefore it's totes a legitimate style guiz!! Nope, it's someone coining a cute phrase for something that isn't different, distinct or unique in the slightest

>>7383275
Well I wear sweet with mostly sax backgrounds so now I want to be a Celestial Sky Lolita because after all, sax is a bit more ethereal so of course it needs its own name as well. My sister wears mostly mint so she can be a Verdant Spring Lolita as well and my cousin is mostly in lavender and so should be a La Violetta Lolita too.

Right.

>>7380710
>>7380723

God, if ugly, bitter bitches like her can get jobs at bars and cafes, I really need to stop worrying about my chances.

>>7382929
k thanks

I HATE LATE WARDROBE POSTS

>>7383355
I didn't mind the ones that were a day or two late, but this most recent one is stupid.

>>7382768
Lolita-inspired that tries to be lolita usually just gets labelled ita. But if you aren't posting it, who are you worried about calling you ita?

Cheap(er) = Bodyline and TaoBao brands and buying things used but you won't really be able to dress in Lolita for thrift store or Walmart prices.

>>7383355
>>7383374
Likely the mods will have a cut off date next year, did you suggest it?

>>7383380
I think the idea other anons suggested about having the theme twice a year would be good and reduce the temptation to make "late posts" since people wouldn't have to wait a whole year for their next chance.

>>7383025
>but are most candies and cakes black?

the print itself is still pastel... the accessories are still sweet, you can use the same exact accessories/shoes/jewelry for a lavender colorway with a pink print as with the same pink print with a black background, there's nothing that says 'oooh the cakes are blaaaack and meltttting' just because the pastel print is on a black background.

>>7383275
>This was all decided by lolitas online anyway

yes, it was decided it Wasn't a substyle or needed name, since it's just sweet. And no, there's not difference with wearing a pink colorway and a black colorway, there's not a special 'bittersweet' set of accessories you use for black colorways, the print is still pastel and cakes and bunnies shitting ice cream.


I think all this confusion comes from adding 'creepy cute' motifs to different fashions... Creepy cute is not in itself any kind of fashion or substyle of any fashion, just a set of motifs that you can add to any fashion to make something 'creepy-cute' so noobs get confused since a lot of people add it to black colorway sweet prints and think that 'creepy cute' accessories with a black print = bittersweet. When that doesn't work since creepy-cute isn't exclusive to any kind of fashion, lolita or otherwise.

>>7382740
Once, they took a while because they were super busy, but it was lp season. Also, they took money from an aution that I lost to pay shipping. Did you have other items?

>>7383448
also creepy cute looks like shit

>>7383424
I'd love 2 a year, I'm going to suggest it. I don't mind the late ones though, I'm crazy for wardrobe posts, haha!

>>7382957
>? You sound like an idiot. Bittersweet has an overall aesthetic of BLACK with sweet themes throughout the entire outfit and accessories/shoes/legware, you retard. 'Shiro' has no overall motiff to differentiate itself, it's just white... Why is that so hard for you to understand?

>>7383316
What is your life like that you get this riled up over some girls calling over priced frilly dresses a name you don't really care for?

>>7383764
oh you poor thing, if you don't know what certain words mean you should just say so instead of making yourself look more and more like a moron

>>7383374
Aw, it was a great post, even if late. A first year with all that? I was impressed, haha.

>>7383764
>Bittersweet has an overall aesthetic of BLACK

herp derp you mean the background color of the dress is an 'overall aesthetic'? learn something new every day!

>Sky-sea sweet has an overall aesthetic of SAX with sweet themes throughout the entire outfit and accessories/shoes/legware
>30-mins before Sunrise Sweet has an overall aesthetic of PINK with sweet themes throughout the entire outfit and accessories/shoes/legware
>Spring-time Sweet has an overall aesthetic of MINT with sweet themes throughout the entire outfit and accessories/shoes/legware

that's how dumb you sound

>>7383770
I don't like it either. Because if this shit isn't nipped back in the bud, it goes tumblrtard and spreads. Like a black fungus.
>in before: Styles evolve...this is not that.

>>7383891
Oh, it's too late for that

seriously, if we're having to argue with people who don't know why Shiro is a substyle over 'bittersweet' then it's useless

>>7383890
Ooh, you forgot my Dreamy Lavender Twilight, I'm so hurt!

>>7383898
fuck I couldn't think of a lavender one, lol

No but seriously, whoever is arguing about Shiro vs 'bittersweet'.... Do you not know what a 'motiff' is? Wearing a black colorway with pastel accessories, the same accessories you would wear if you were wearing the same print in the mint colorway is not the same as an entire outfit based on One color scheme from head to toe.

You are actually arguing 'what's the difference between Sweet and Shiro? There isn't one!' and if you're that dumb I guess I should stop trying.

>>7383897
Fighto, fighto!
I'm not going to give up!
I love my sweet dresses in black colorway and I don't want it shitted up with a snowflake name.

>>7383904
let me clarify since you are that dumb, the 'motiff' for bittersweet is... sweet... you're not wearing anything different, you are wearing the same accessories that define sweet...so it is sweet.

>>7383770
but I'm not even mad tho?

>>7382771
Many of the people who wear sweet in the black colorway also find this a snow flakey term to describe it, this has been discussed. There is not enough style difference just because of a switch in colorway to merit a whole new term for it.

So if you and a few others take to calling or tagging it that, unfortunately this laps over onto the rest of us who wear it and who do NOT like the term. It's divisive.

When people lay out a coord to photograph, why put shoes on the bed or on top of the clothes? I think that's kind of yukky.

>>7383971

I personally would rather lay my clothes on the bed than the floor. If I'm including shoes, I put them on top of a bag to keep the dirt off the bed.

>>7383975
See, that I get, shoe soles don't touch the bed or the items. But so many just stick them on the spread or the coord itself.

Hey guys, need help choosing pettis from CP

Considering this bellshaped one:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-189500549.30.S69LBg&id=3486735318

But I heard a lot of good things about the A-line one too. Apparently it's very versatile and looks fine for bell-shaped dresses.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.ZCKQtX&scm=1007.10009.518.0&id=3401713800&pvid=590cd6d1-53df-423c-88d5-bac26799ee6d#

I'm sort of leaning towards the A-line, but scared that it won't turn out right.
pic-related, babby's first dress.

>>7384012
I have the bell-shaped one and it's really not so great for anything but casual. It has a nice shape to it, but it isn't nearly as fluffy as their A-line and doesn't hold up to wear through the day as well. I generally have to layer it with another petticoat to get a really nice shape for more than the first few minutes that I'm dressed.

>>7384014
Sorry, meant to say I have both the bell-shaped one and A-line one.

>>7384014
My Aline is hardly fluffy at all. It really disappointed me, as I love the bell shaped one.

>>7384023
Huh. Weird. Mine is almost TOO fluffy for a lot of my dresses.

>>7384030
How many layers does yours have? I got mine, it only has two and for some reason won't like regain its shape after being shipped from china. Additionally, the material and liner seem to be different than my cupcake petti.

>>7383910
I'm wondering if you even know what "motif" means since you can't even manage to spell the damn word, but keep spouting it anyway.

>>7383902
Shitted up. Yeah, a stupid name is really going to put that $300 black dress with ice cream and cakes and bows and rainbows and lace right on to the shit category. It was really fine before that, but a few girls calling it a different name...man, that's just taking it too far.

>>7384184
>hurr durr i got proved wrong! i'll just say they can't spell!

>>7384184
lol, my bad, I got a little f happy didn't I?

Listen, please, please tell me you understand the point though. That the theme of any sweet outfit, no matter what the colorway, is always the same sweet theme. There is no difference between the outfit's sweet MOTIFFFFFFF just because one is the mint colorway and one is the black. I mean, are you just trolling me at this point, because it is such a simple concept that I'm baffled that people aren't getting it. And my jimmies are pretty rustled, lol

>>7384245
And there's no difference between shiro and plain lolita's MOTIFFFFFF other than the color either. Black is a much different color than mint, lavender and other pastels. Get a picture of a bittersweet coord and a sweet one. Ask any random moron on the street which one they would consider bittersweet and which they would consider sweet. Even someone with no lolita experience would be able to differentiate. Why can't you? Because it's not what they call it in glorious Nippon!

Dear God, why is this fight still going on.

>>7384722
>Ask any random moron on the street which one they would consider bittersweet and which they would consider sweet.

Well, I'm not sure an "random moron on the street" would know wtf shiro is. Besides that fact, a random moron off the street knows nothing about this fashion. Assuming-ly the random moron would be dressed in a $15 top and $30 pants from some outlet store. I'm not sure that qualifies as someone I'd ever want to tell me about my fashion.

The fact of the matter is- bittersweet is part of sweet- if something is a substyle of something else it doesn't need it's own name. If gothic had a trend where there was a shiro gothic trend would that need a name too? I don't think so because it's a part of gothic.

Seriously, just because black is such a "different color" than all other sweet colors doesn't mean it needs it's own substyle name. (Especially when the substyle only has a few variations, much like creepy cute.)

What's the best way to pack a petticoat for shipping without just having to stuff it into a mailer? I've turned it inside out to make it a bit more uniform, but I'm worried about crushing it too much.

>>7384059
There are different a-lines, maybe you got a cheaper one?

>>7384782
I've never shipped one, but I feel like rolling it might help. (This might be completely incorrect, sorry if it is!)

>>7384787
I thought it was the super violent whatever one, but I guess not. Oh well.

Bittersweet is a special snowflake category invented by the online western community.

Done.

I'm going to start calling all my pink outfits "strawberry sweet style"
Mint outfits "peppermint sweet style"
Sax outfits "sky sweet style"

Are there any flat shoe styles that suit classic aside from oxfords? I can't wear heels for medical reasons.

>>7384722
If you're comparing a head to toe single color outfit as the same thing (in terms of needing a name for the style) as a sweet outfit with a black background on a dress, you are an idiot.

>>7384722

The aesthetic for shiro is obviously different than a plain lolita outfit since it's a single color from top to bottom. You can obviously point at a shiro outfit and say it is different than any plain lolita outfit.

You cannot point at a girl who was wearing one of the pastel colorways of a print with matching accessories who then changes only the dress to the black colorway, (since all the accessories match the print still and do not need to be changed), and saw that the style is different.

Does it make you upset that you don't have a special snowflake name that everyone agrees with?

Can anyone id the dress in this picture? I see the IW logo, but a search on lolibrary didn't turn up anything.

I did notice the blouse pictured just went up for reserve on the website today, so perhaps the dress is possibly a new release set for the future. Curious to know how Maison de Julietta got it.

>>7384722
if you're holding two pictures up to someone and giving them a choice, then you are leading them to believe that a choice should be made, which is just manipulating them to further your 'point'.

When in reality no choice exists. If I held up two plain lolita outfits and a shiro lolita outfit and asked 'can you pick out one that's different?'... need I go on?

Yes, shiro is different because of the color aesthetic, from top to bottom. It's enough of a leap from a plain outfit that it gets it's own name. In this case, the color does matter because it's presented throughout the entire outfit, not just the main pieces.

>>7385202
>>7385193
But, a white Moitie outfit, a white VM outfit, and a white AP outfit all have different aesthetics. If you're going to say that shiro or kuro is an actual substyle, then a coordinate that was all pink/sax/lavender/navy/and so on would also each be their own substyle
I guess my point is that shiro is not a substyle.
Styles of lolita: sweet, classic, gothic, punk
Anything else is a theme or motif

>>7385382
Sorry to jump into this conversation, but, are you a noob? Shiro and kuro have been substyles since the 2000's. In fact, they were wildly popular substyles back then.

>>7385382
Yea, no. Nobody wears all pink or all lavender or all Navy. Shiro and Kuro are oldschool and literally the whole outfit, accessories and trims and all have to be one color only.

>>7385382
Shiro isn't an actual substyle, that's just something Western lolitas took and named like with country and pirate lolita. It is however, a set and (formally) popular theme that is well known and different from a typical lolita outfit, which "bittersweet" is not. "Bittersweet" is just your normal modern sweet (printed typically) lolita in a black colourway.

Punk lolita isn't a lolita substyle though, it's the other way around (lolita punk).

>>7384743
I bet that person in the $15 top would still look better than you in your overpriced burando, and they would be able to look at a normal sweet and bittersweet coord and be able to see the difference.

>>7385193
>The aesthetic for shiro is obviously different than a plain lolita outfit since it's a single color from top to bottom. You can obviously point at a shiro outfit and say it is different than any plain lolita outfit.


And a bittersweet one looks a lot different than a pastel colored sweet one. Print may be the same, color is starkly different, and the accessories could be too.

>Does it make you upset that you don't have a special snowflake name that everyone agrees with?

I don't ever feel upset when retards disagree with me.

I bought a couple of dresses and a bunch of accessories from a seller in France (to US) early January and it still hasn't arrived. I don't buy second hand that often, so I didn't think about tracking until she'd already shipped out without it.

Is it normal for it to take this long? Should I be worried? Do I just kiss my money goodbye if it never comes?

>>7385918
It's a little bit too long, might be trapped in custom. Did you buy from LSE, egl or lacemarket ? I'm in the French comm, so I know scammer's names/pseudo if you worry too much

>>7385828
You don't know anything about me. My closet is filled with a variety of brand and offbrand. My favorite and very first piece was from R-Series.

I find it rude that you'd assume that because I have an opinion that's different than yours that you automatically jump down my throat as, "hurdurdur brandwhore". Should we go ask the normal person what the difference between a white gothic coord and a black gothic coord is too? I think we should name that as well, while we're on the subject.

How about, angelic gothic? Is that super special enough? Because, obviously, if a black sweet coord needs to be called bittersweet even though it's just a black sweet coord; then a white gothic needs something too!

10/10 couldn't bite my tongue.

>>7385928
LSE, but she has EGL feedback and I'm not worried that she scammed me. But I'm not sure what to do if doesn't show up.

>>7385933
F dat. When I wear my Moitié, I want my speshul style to be Aoi x Shiro Seraph Hime-sama llama.

Extra points if you can upskirt me in my Jebus iZ Risen skirt (Divine cross, of course, Aoi x shiro) for the example pix to add to Rori Style types poster.
Because everyone know speshul vibe of the divine Mana's Moitié blue, it's quite distinct from all other colorways. It's vibrational frequency is of course much higher. If you listen closely and are a true a Rori, you can hear the angels singing.

>>7385945
I love you.

>>7385948
/sage for the silly

>>7385447
>Punk lolita isn't a lolita substyle though, it's the other way around (lolita punk).
this.

Does anyone know what the see-through chiffon/tulle dress overlays are called? I've been looking everywhere for them.

>>7381487
I have this JSK in pink! It's so lovely and comfy. Definitely much more detailed in person. You can match different colors with socks, and blouse, and accessories.

Not lolita, but I was wondering what your parent, boyfriends, and whatever think of lolita.
Also, does your boyfriend think lolita is sexy?

Is being 2-2cm smaller than the listed measurements okay for most OPs/JSKs, or should I go up a size?

>>7386174
2-3*, typing is hard.

Anyone ever have buyer's remorse?

Earlier today I bought the Royal Creamy Chocolate JSK in pink from AP USA, and then felt kind of regretful - did I make the right choice? So I called them up and asked them if it was possible to switch to the mocha colorway, so they refunded me for the pink so I could buy the mocha, even though that's not their policy. Now I just feel like I fucked up the whole transaction and might not even want the dress anymore.

>>7386174
It's fine. I think that the listed measurements are measurements for a comfy fit/max measurements. If you're under you should be fine.

Full Lotta set just sold for barely over $200. Is it really that worthless now?

http://lacemarket.net/innocent-world-lotta-skirt-headbow-otks-set/

>>7386398
Thank you!

>>7386664
No, I think part of the reason was that most girls from LM are from cgl, and they'd rather not deal with she-who-must-not-be-named.

>>7386683
Also, LM doesn't have the audience yet of the other sales comms. Rosaire in particular can't advertise her auctions on EGL or FB sales because she's banned.

Related, I noticed that the comm sales said they're not allowing posts to LM auctions, which is fine, I understand where they're coming from with there not being an external checkout system. I've been listing items on both sites, and then taking down the listings once they're sold, but it's too bad that you can't link directly in your post like you can to storenvy or etsy.

>>7386683
Which is hilarious because they'll certainly be whining about the scalped prices from other buyers. Lotta and MND selling for so cheap is going to kill the resale value for everyone else.

>>7386683
>she-who-must-not-be-named.
This makes you look like an utter retard.

>>7386751
I think it's appropriate, given that any thread that mentions her gets hopelessly derailed...like this one.

>>7385866
I also don't get upset when retards argue points that don't exist, no worries!

If you feel a certain emotion when you see an OTT sweet coord in a black colorway, fine. But your feelings don't deserve a sub sub style thankfully.

>>7386751
>>7386758
If you mention the name 3 times the thread will be derailed. It's true.

>>7386771
Well Rosaire's name was already mentioned once. Oh, I said Rosaire--oops that's three times now.

>>7386771
Haha. This came up today, albeit briefly, during a convo at lunch. There's the possibility that she shows up and makes threads about her, and her snotty attitude is generally easily picked out. Just sayin'! Always the drama.

Remember when people were freaking out about how an AATP dress was in a porno? Where is that, if I might ask?

>>7386838
It was fake

Does anyone have any experience with Dream V? I want to buy a bunch of stuff, but I'm worried about the shipping costs. They don't really specify (or I'm missing where they list the costs). How expensive is the shipping?

>>7386829
That's kind of sad that you talk about someone online who you don't even know, irl. Creeper alert right here.

>>7382919
The mail people won't deliver the package if the name on the package doesn't match any of the names on the mailbox/doorbell, it's that easy. Where would they even start if the address is a big apartment building. They don't care if someone else signs for your package as long as they can drop it off at a house with matching adress+name.

>>7386954
Stalker alert.

>>7386949
It's normal to talk about frequent lolita drama at lolita meet-ups or with other lolitas.

>>7386955
I'm not precedent anon. I'm in an non-english speaking comm, and while I discuss international drama with my lolita sister, during meet we discuss our own dramas. It's not always the same lolitas who are discussed, and anyway we discuss their acts more than their personnality.

>>7386664

The popular version was specifically the blue jsk. Everything else seems to sell below retail. This one is the brown skirt, so it's going at the right price imo.

>>7386964
>The popular version was specifically the blue jsk. Everything else seems to sell below retail.

You're right that the blue is the most popular, but anything from the Lotta series typically goes for above retail. That auction was a fluke.

>>7386982
Just like the MND one? You know buyers are going to use those auction prices as a reference and won't spend massive amounts on these items ever again. Good job.

>>7386982
Non-nordic-blue-JSK Lotta has fallen in price recently, I think it's losing popularity. The skirts in brown and blue went for less than $200 on auctions a few months ago. So I'd say that's about right.

>>7386988
My guess is that MSND sold for so little since the rerelease was so recent, people are hoping the price will drop. The highest bid on the most recent Japanese auction was only 40k (seller's reserve price was 70k). The price will probably rise again over time since the rerelease was so limited, but I don't think it'll go back to what it was pre-release.

>>7386988
That's not true. Prints like Milky Chan and Magic Whip regulary sell for $100-200. Doesn't stop people from trying to charge $300-400 for them.

>>7386954
Yeah, it's almost as important among lolitas as the actual fashion. It's really goddamn pathetic. Really makes lolitas look like a bunch of insecure weeaboos who couldn't be queen bee in high school, so they try to do it now in a niche fashion community.

>>7387018
Or maybe they just like talking about dumb shit with their friends? Hmm.

>>7387018
We discuss what's happening in the commonity we are part of and cherish, why would ti be pathetic ?
I personally discuss dramas because I just want to know who I should avoid on sales comm, why did this comm didn't last and how can we avoid that etc. Most of the time, it's constructive, not about shitting on other's life.

>>7387021
You guys like talking about other people because you're insecure. Dumb shit indeed. I've seen plenty of backstabbing and bullying. Just look at most of the threads here or BTB. I'm not even talking about calling out scammers or things like that.

>>7387031
It's not really about being a backstabber/bully, I just enjoy talking about this stuff occasionally, it's just a part of conversation. Not even a big part, it's not like anyone actually spends an entire meetup/conversation talking about people from the Internet. I hope. I guess I'll stop taking the b8 now, though.

>>7387036
Different anon but it isn't bait. You and a lot of other lolitas are just a bunch of bullies, acting like girls in a high school clique.

>>7387038
If you judge lolita by /cgl/, ye most of us must look like cunts. And if I judge cosplayers by /cgl/, yes most of them looks like fame hungry attention whore. Hopefully, the world doesn't revolve around some stupid anonymous internet image board.

>>7387041
It isn't just /cgl/. People here go to other venues to spread and continue the bullying and harassment, which causes others to join in due to hive mentality.

>>7387044
I don't see bullying and harassment that much in lolita. Apart from a few people with vendettas, we have places to call people out on their behaviour (like getoffegl), and a few place like btb, but that's nothing like bullying. We rarely as a group single people out for no reason, and we pretty much hate vendetta anons.
Knowing what's happenning in a community and singling people apart because of their innapropriate behaviour is a thing any normal group does, because it's groupe dynamic and outing people who hinder the group's integrity is a normal thing to do so the community won't fall apart.

>>7387038
Slow down there friend, I don't even directly participate in drama online or offline, I just lurk. Is it morally questionable/pathetic that I find it a little amusing? Maybe, in some people's opinons. But I don't see how it counts as bullying.

>>7387049
If you don't see bullying and harassment you must not be looking. Well, I guess it's normal for a bully to not think what they are doing is wrong, or to not recognize inappropriate behavior going on around them.

>>7387052
I was bullied for most of my life, both online and offline, so I know what's bullying, thank you.
Did you read ? Some people bully, yes, but they are not viewed well by the community.

>>7387054
Fun fact, people who were bullied themselves are more likely to become bullies. It's no wonder you spend your time offline talking shit about people on the internet who you've never met.

>>7387057
I'm not that anon, but how is it bullying if you're talking about someone who's never going to find out you're talking about them, and who will not be affected by it at all? It's a little sad, maybe, yeah, but I'm not sure you know what bullying is. Is English your second language?

I've seen so many people losing their shit over Melody Toys... Am I the only one who thinks it looks awful?

>>7387076
It's hideous ageplay shit.

>>7387076
I guess I can see the appeal, but it's not for me at all. But I think AP's supersweet fanbase was probably dying for something like this, since they've been bringing out a lot of classic-inspired stuff.

>>7387076
I think the colours (that nasty, not-quite-salmon pink, especially) are pretty awful and the overall design is pretty damn bland/bad. I wish AP would return to their cuter cast of characters for prints like this, and I think their colours have been really off for the two newest prints (this one and the new circus one).

>>7387060
>Is English your second language?

>implying this shit has anything to do with someones understanding of bullying & morals

>>7387076
I'm so happy they're doing diagonal stripes again like they did with DBR. It seemed a shame for that dress to be the only one to feature it.

Unfortunately though this is another a pastel dress I wont be able to pull off. For a cuter girl I'll admire it on!

Since there's no hair general, I'm asking here:

How would one go about doing this with one's hair? I can't tell if it's just a bun or if they are braids made into buns. I have rather long hair, if that helps at all.

To the anon who posted in my thread and identified Andi Autumn (before deletion), thanks for the info, bro. I wasn't expecting any luck.

Goddamn, that chick did a lot of giantess/feet porn.

>>7381809
Ugh, friends who judge your spending are the worst. A few months ago I had broken up with my boyfriend, and he moved out. We shared the rent on our apartment, and without his help I wasn't able to pay it alone, so I had to move out soon to find somewhere else to live cheaper. Well, I decided to buy my dream dress around this time, bought it on layaway. I told her about it and she simply said "oh my god, you're crazy! :p" being kinda playful-ish. I didn't think anything about it. Then a couple weeks later another friend sent me a cap of her saying "Well, maybe Anon wouldn't be in such a bad financial situation if she wasn't buying $300 dresses from Angelic Pretty and Baby the Stars Shine Bright!" Like, bitch, 1) buying dresses had nothing to do with the situation I was in, I had to move out anyway, and 2) I don't even own any Baby, Chess Chocolate is AP, you dumb cunt. She's done things like this before, and from what I've heard, she's always talking shit about me, and I've seen caps to prove most of it. I kinda don't want to hang out with her anymore because she just makes me feel awful about myself. But at the same time, she's my only friend who's into lolita and my weeby interests..

>>7387174
You shouldn't have bought the dress if you were struggling to pay your rent.
It isn't what put you in your situation, but it makes your situation worse.
But your friend is a bitch, unfriend that bitch nigga. She should have been supporting you instead of talking behind your back.

>>7387057
Where did you get this idea ? We discuss Lolita related things at lolita meets, we don't spend our life talking about dramas. I don't discuss personality, just facts that touch my community, I don't spread shit about people I don't know, and my opinion will never reach them.
Bullying and harassment comes in different forms and shapes, but discussing about things that happened with a bunch of friends is not bullying. Calling out one person when one did something wrong is not bullying. Harassing someone over nothing is bullying. Spreading shitty rumors about someone you don't even know every single day of your life because you decided you hated them is bullying. I do none of these, and not does the majority of the comm. You should read my precedent message about vendettas, I think I sufficiently explained my vision.
And as for bullying other people, thanks god I'm not stupid enought to think 'if I survived that, they can survive it too'. I don't bully anyone' because I know what it is and I understood how it worked.

>>7387076
I really like the top part, but I don't like the border print because it is too childish for me.

My favorite loli is Kate Hoshimiya.

>>7387184
As a girl, I find this extremely creepy and outright disgusting. I just want to puke. Men really are fucking scum.

>>7387184
>>7387208
Samefag.

How bad would it be to make some sort of jabot out of my MS chou chou?

>>7387174
you shouldn't be dropping 300 dollars on a dress if you can't pay rent. Layaway was invented to convince people who can't afford shit to buy it anyway.

>>7387212
Why would she do that?

>>7387236
>she
No

>>7387212
That's some Cold War tier subterfuge detection, motherfucker.

>>7387184
>>7387208
femanon here, I - I think it's pretty cute. ;_;

>>7383290
Aw that's a cute dress anon! I wonder if it fits a petti though. I just got one with a similar silhouette but I'm gonna wear it EGA style and I don't think that's an option for you.
If it does fit a petti just use a belt to define your waist and coord it like you usually do.

Isn't the main market demographic for Lolita
-Japanese girls
-13-18
-With disposable income
-Who love kawaii

I'd say it fits the target market.

>>7387225
I don't know. I've never seen it done before.

>>7387245
Good, as a feminist, I am glad that you proved that women can also be pedophiles.

>>7387184
>>7387208
>>7387245
>>7387256
Stop derailing the fucking thread while feeding the most obvious of trolls you nerds. Go back to fucking /a/ losers.

Fuck mods stop worying about perfectly good threads and go ban these motherfuckers.
Saging this shit.

>>7387260
>bullying /a/ for no reason

>>7387089
but they have to make new colors so people cant coord with any of their old accessories and are forced to buy all new ones

If innocent and childish things like stuffed animals automatically equal ageplay to you guys, maybe you're the ones with the problem.

As for me, the print's kind of cute but I won't be getting it. The print's a little too bulky for my tastes and I don't care for the colorways.

I'd actually like to ask Lolita designers what they would say about people who associate the more juvenile prints with age play.

Obviously it's not important enough to keep them from making new ones, obviously but I'm wondering what their inspiration is that connects teen girls with blocks, pacifiers and stuffed animals. Nostalgia? Playing pretend to be young again but in an innocent way? Subtle grooming for motherhood?

It's interesting. It also seems a bit off from their brand concept statement.

>>7387342
>subtle grooming for motherhood
Given Japan's current social problems I'd go with this one

>>7387225
You probably can? I once used a ribbon as an extrnsion and used a wristcuff as a mini jabot.

>>7387342
I think the motherhood thing is the closest. Children are considered feminine.

>>7387342
Honestly since lolita is an alt fashion in Japan people wearing even the most subdued styles are going to be looked at as being as creepy as if they were in full ageplay clothing. Knowing that, I feel like the designers are just testing the waters to see how more juvenile styles fair with the market, while still being fully expressive and creative. They took a dive a few years ago turning old school sweet into what it is today, so I think they're just continuing that way since they have nothing to lose.

>>7387365

>>7387342
>>7387382
yes
consider dreamy baby room
dont you remember wanting a baby doll, a Baby Born or some shit? and you'd get the crib and the dresses and the little plastic toys and fake tippy bottle? that is very much a childs thing to do, i remember it clearly, it wasnt me wanting to be a mindless drooling lump of wailing flesh or anything

>>7387389
They are a smallish company where every release will have at least some effect on their bottom line and business plan. I don't follow AP sales but do the more juvenile prints sell out, or linger on sale?

I don't think they could just keep making them if they weren't decent to good sellers.

>>7386898
Shipping info is on this page: http://www.rakuten.co.jp/dreamv/info.html
I screenshotted the relevant table for you. Top row is total cost of items you're buying, bottom row is the shipping cost correlated with it.
Global Rakuten sometimes does shipping deals like "free shipping up to ¥3000" that DreamV usually participates in, so I like to wait for those.

Found this JSK when browsing taobao but the price is sat at ¥8888 and I honestly doubt it costs that much.
Does anyone know where I would be able to get this dress or what it's called?
Google doesn't do a good work translating the site

>>7387427
it's probably a place holder price.

>>7387413
Ageplay Baby Room sold really poorly.

>>7387434
Not surprised. So ugly.

>>7387427
That's really pretty. I love starry prints.

Is it bad form to wear lolita at comic book conventions?

>>7387413
It really depends things like Decoration Dream and Toy Parade sold really well but Dreamy Baby Room sold poorly. Dreamy Baby Room was really really toeing the line and they did release a lot more trendy things(chocolate) afterwards to make up for it.

>>7387448
You can wear what you ant at con. People spend their day roaming aroung in bikinis, why someone would care about you ?

>>7387447
Chocolate and romantic rose letter more than made up for it. Does this mean we'll have a whole load of good prints later on in the year?

>>7387466
I can probably assume so. They usually only have 1 or 2 flops. One thing I will say is the lack of non-prints has been a bit disheartening even though they have more for Japan as per the usual.

help seagulls! I kind of want this.. It's $68 for the jacket and $48 for the skirt. I only have two jsk, and two blouses, so I feel as if I ought to get more dresses. But this looks so cute and classy and hnggh.. But it's f+f and they're a bit iffy.

>>7387495
If you like it, get it. It's beautiful. It doesn't look like obvious F+F, I thought before I saw where it was from that it looked like it was maybe from R-Series or Dear Celine.

>>7387495
Maybe wear it with a white or beige blouse with a frilly jabot that can peep out of the top of the jacket.

My IW socks didn't come with any washing instructions. Is it safe to put them in the washing machine with other delicates?

>>7382623
I bought the blanket. I don't think it's amazing quality, but it's no worse than your average fleece blankets plus it has the adorable pattern and hoodie component. I'm overall happy with the purchase.

Qutieland changed my order of the Chess Story Sweety Sweety Holy Night lucky pack C to a large from a small. Because of the cutsew not having a large enough bust. Last time I checked, cutsews are made of t-shirt fabric and stretch a bit, and should accomodate a bust a tiny bit larger than what's stated. Apparently Qutieland doesn't realize this.

Looks like they also don't realize a 66cm waist will be swimming in a size large 84cm waist salopette. No email response yet. When (if) this gets sorted out, I have a feeling either the lucky pack itself will be out of stock, or I'll just receive a large anyway and have to sell it without even wearing it. (I should've lied about my bust size, I should've just straight up lied.)

anyone knows if these lockshop tights are originally sold elsewhere? as in taobao? i really like them and bought them last year, only for them to get lost, never arrive and never getting any compensation from the shop of course. thanks in advance!

>>7387636
They're designed by the lockshop owner, if you never received them why didn't you contact them? I think now they send everything tracked as people were filing fake paypal claims to scam.

>>7387638
i contacted them but this was some time ago, couldn't even file a paypal claim because it was over the time limit to do so. thanks tho anon!

Oh god, I feel so retarded. I saw a listing on lacemarket for KL lost in sea JSK and could have sworn it was for the long length version. This is the first thing I've ever bid on and I mailed the seller asking if she could remove me or something.

Is this going to ruin my lolita line of credit for a lifetime or something?

I feel awful about it.

>>7381452
If you got it secondhand you should be asking for a refund. That shit is not ok. Who sold it to you?

Goddamn there's a whole lot of retards in here

>>7382958
>bittersweet would be like saying "I'm a Dark Classic" Lolita
Or "I'm a Pink Country Lolita". Sub-sub style classification isn't that common?

>but why not say, "I'm a sweet Lolita with a darker side" or "I'm a sweet Lolita who has currently taken a dark turn".

Not seeing how these are different other than talking yourself into semantics.

>>7383029
>>7383448
Same with bittersweet/shiro/gothic/~pinku~, it's all the same sort of shit. You know what it means- that's all that matters, that's the point of a descriptor, is it not?

Get your panties out of a wad.

>>7384200
lol

>>7385382
this (and they're not, they're motifs... just like bittersweet is)

>>7385434
>Nobody wears all pink
newbie detected

>>7387495
I like the jacket but I think the skirt motif is a bit tacky tbh.

>>7387940
Late to the party
Bittersweet not a thing
We decided without you.
Have some punch and take a chair.

>>7387342
Because in Japan, youthful things are considered cute.
Prints with children's toys and such appeal strongly to girl who like fairy kei. Look at a fairy kei brand like Nile Perch, a large percentage of their products have motifs like toys, things that say "baby" or "it's a girl/boy"

>>7387813
Hi anon, this is Alice, LM mod. No worries, you'll get a strike for this, but it won't show up on your profile, and since the seller is OK with it, you won't get bad feedback either. You'll be fine :) Just don't do it three more times, and everything will be okay~

Would it be rude for me to ask this person to stop posting in the lolita fashion tag? It's not like we /own/ the tag or anything, but I'm really sick of seeing this """nymphet""" (what the hell is that) fashion that has nothing to do with the lolita aesthetic. I also think it could confuse noobies who haven't researched a lot.

Idk maybe I'm just being petty.

>>7388217
Haha, that kind of Lolita fashion post is only going to get worse as it trends this spring and summer. Unfortunately, it's a thing.

>>7382768
You could try otome or other j-fashion styled things. I think trying too hard to look lolita with offbrand things can look pretty weird, but if you take offbrand things and go lolita ~inspired~ it can be really cute.

>>7386168
>Anonymous 02/21/14(Fri)19:34 UTC-5 No.7386168
>Not lolita, but I was wondering what your parent, boyfriends, and whatever think of lolita.
>Also, does your boyfriend think lolita is sexy?
My parents hate it, my brother and most of my friends like it, my boyfriend thinks it's an instant boner killer.

I'm having a ton of trouble editing my clobbaonline order form. Can you just send them a message telling them what you'd like to order or do you have to use the order form?

>>7388423
You can just email

>>7387608
Update: they're willing change it to a medium, thank christ. Thank you, Qutieland, I'm willing to compromise.

>>7388217
let's just call it gosurori and getit over with.

Is it just me or is wonderfuck's post about why lacemarket isn't actually an outside sales site arbitrary as fuck? It seems like she just made all of that up off the top of her head.

I'm not wearing Lolita yet, I tried to do some shopping but I think I need some help.
The only sites where I found stuff I could actually order were Bodyline and Cosmates.
In the Angelic Pretty online shop, every damn item I want is out of stock. Is it because it's already sold out or do they also display stuff they won't actually stock for overseas costumers?
Also, without Paypal, how can I order from BTSSB? Does it work out?
Maybe these are dumb question, so I'm gonna say sorry in advance.

>>7389074
Very good idea. I know some western Lolitas think it's weebish to do so but given the choice, I'd pick that over pervy.

>>7389318
Not stupid at all! But with most brands, stuff sell out pretty quickly. I think that's why you're not finding anything at AP's store. Also, why just not get paypal? It's really easy and a lot of stores use it!

>>7389328
>Also, why just not get paypal?
Oh, sorry, I didn't explain it right: The BTSSB store says something about how paypal can't be accepted, and I'm not sure if this only counts if you're ordering from Japan.

I'm checking out the AP shop almost every day, looks like I'm just too slow :c I'll keep on trying, though. Thanks for the reply!

>>7389079

I think it's pretty clear that they're worried of losing their monopoly over second-hand Lolita sales on the internet.

>>7389332
It only counts if you're ordering using a Japanese address. International customers use PayPal normally.

I don't know what timezone you're in, but Baby releases at least seem to happen around 17:00-18:00 Japan time, and often on Fridays... That's for reserves though, I'm not so sure about normal releases.

>>7389819
Thanks anon!

>>7389499
This exactly. Which is funny since some of the mods have listed stuff on lacemarket.

Has anyone received the error "invalid file" when trying to upload pictures on lacemarket? Anyone know the cause? Im just using .jpg that I took with my camera so idk.

>>7386168
>My mother doesn't mind it. She thinks it's cute but she also believes it's just a costume.
>I'm scared to even tell my father anything about it.
>My mother's boyfriend is a dick about it and tells me to grow up.
>My grandmother on my mother's side thinks it's provocative pedophile shit.

>>7391135

If your file name has periods in it some users may experience problems. Try changing the filename to something safe (all letters or numbers, no spaces), like myphotohere.jpg, and it should work.