/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Sorry i can't offer any better context for this. But, very good colour painting where you can see all the details in the costumes clearly. Very nice for adding features and touches to your costume.

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0005/bsb00059192/images/index.html?seite=81&fip=193.174.98.30

Everything related I have is a pretty dress.

>>7344005
Which one?
The green or the pink one?

>>7344005
Ive few folders of content I could dump parts of, greenskins, tasty deer meat, warhammer costumes, steampunk/junk, sci-fi.

This is also pretty interesting reading. I think it should be pretty easily available online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_re_metallica

Sure, it's a book about mining, but it's renaissance-mining. I'm not quite sure which editions have illustrations but the ones that have, check it out. Lots of good examples of average clothing your average worked would've used.

It's interesting because you can see slight slashing on the knees really often. Guess the Reisläufer/Landsknecht-slashing of clothes became sort of a trend that eventually found itself in normal people's wardrobe too. (naturally to a lessened effect of course)

>>7344009
(that's the joke)

>>7343964
for marching and the like
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iasrdo761m0p5f2/1385860674829.pdf
not the best source but the closest one I have right now (it's a little late for LK but whatever)
although we barely have enough men for one rotte right now...

although while I can't help with musical insturments as I'm very bad with them I can say that apart from drums I'm pretty sure there were flutes

about the burgonet: yes, if you want a good one. And the helemt is one of the most important part of your armor

>>7344016
Landsknecht did not invent slashing (the Swiss probably did, a century before) but it was a Europe-wide trend. Knechts just did it at a level nobody else really achieved.

>>7344022
also there is an interesting theory that the earlier landsknechts were basically the scum of the region even before they became landsknechts, criminals and such. So their clothing and style resembles that. This later evolved in their own way of course

>>7344022
"Hey you poorfag, look at all this colourful cloth I am wasting for no purpose, do you even lift? Get on my level"

>>7344022
Reisläufer are Swiss, y'know?

>>7344031
I think the most interesting part of the whole Landsknecht-concept is well, the sort everyman-aspect of it.

I mean, almost anyone could be one(unless you were insane or lame or such) and still they managed to make those people effective soldiers.

So, i've been assembling my crusader outfit, and I need to make a belt and sword sheath attachment, like the one in the image.

Has anyone got a diagram to explain how it loops around?

>>7344036
Yeah, I kinda want to create a LARP mercenary group of the partially infirm, disfigured, dishonoured and criminal, fighting for free but with a premium being paid to their relatives when they die.

>>7344036
fun fact: LK recruitment was just like that. They went to a town (or several one) and said: hey guys we are hiring for this regiment. And people came. There was a piss easy "physical test" you have to jump something I think to show that you are in fact have a working body to some degree and then you were in. Your pay of course depends on what kind of gear you brought with you. But no training was necessary for signing up, training came after it

On the other hand there were a lot of casualties...
Still they were feared and even won against swiss pike formations more than once. That was basically a very important thing as before that swiss pike formations were something that most people considered the best thing ever and nearly invincible

What are some of the recommended reading threads from myarmoury? Like this:

(very interesting stuff about burgonets and the early helmets)
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=17555

There are lots of threads there and i haven't browsed it before so i'm having hard times finding interesting Landsknecht-content. Got any recommendations?

>>7344037
That belt thing, to me it looks it's just a simple knot or something

>>7344046

>>7344065
That's from WHFB though.

>>7344073
Indeed, but change the names and it could be straight out of a history-book.

Best fantasy is the one that's a slightly cleaner and more believable version of reality.
Because it's almost impossible to get more grotesque and silly than reality without losing all suspension of disbelief.

>>7344073
then again WH fantasy takes a lot from real life.

>>7344057
well, because it's a simple knot.

>>7344078
My point is mostly that Imperial troops usually were just as bad, if not worse.

>>7344087
Oh they are, most free companys are modelled with a mixture of Troop weapons, being bands of stragglers from old wars.
Mixing, greatswords, halberds, pistoliers, duellists and peseant flails.

>>7344098
peasant detected

>>7344095
hey, the flail was a perfectly good weapon

>>7344098
if you are fighting wheat.

>>7344100
>>7344102
if it was good enough for the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire then it's good enough for me

also, slightly related to the flail thing

>>7344098

Is there some sort of specific name for the sort of wooden flail-weapon you sometimes see, i'm guessing it's also a farm implement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War

But yeah, peasants. This is also a very interesting conflict. I really like how the peasants organized themselves similarly to the Landsknechts.

Can any swedes tell me a bit more about Landsknecht re-enactment scene there?

(Huge Landsknecht march)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2V_SKewDg

I mean, that's quite a lot of people so there has to be well, slightly larger than average scene of people who are interested in this sort of thing.

>>7344112
dunno, probably not. Maybe they put the word "war" before it like in war-scythe. But weapon terminology is a fucked up thing regardless.

here, have a bunch of peasants beating the living shit out of random naked dudes, by Dürer

>>7344051
I just got some good links from our blacksmith

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=11100&start=0

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=29345&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=28405&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=28352&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=28108&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=26982&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=22729&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=25626&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=25541&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=26480&highlight=landsknecht

>>7344125
and a few more


http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=23147&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=16442&highlight=landsknecht

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8630

Oh hey, field trip.

Hello, my good seagull friends, how are you this lovely sunday morn, may I interest you in a flagon of mead or a piece of roast boar?

>>7344033
And they hate Landsknechte in ways you can't imagine.
>>7344046
Actually they drove them off the market, raping their faces off in the Italian theatre.
>>7344078
Grutte Pier (Pier Gerlofs Donia) got his wife raped&killed and his estate and the village church burnt down by Landsknechte. As a form of vengeance, he rebelled against the Habsburgs, become a pirate fleet commander and raped, pillaged and burned stuff so efficiently, he got named Cross of the Dutchmen (got the nickname by mass-murdering the crews of 28 captured Dutch ships). The Landsknecht band triggering this was called (one of several) the Black Band, and Pier called his army Black Band From Arum. History is beautiful.

What's the sort of leather coat sometimes used by Landsknechts called? I've understood it was used mainly as a padding when wearing breastplates and such. Also, if there are any, i would like to see photos of reproductions.

>>7344183
Buff coats were only really in use by cavalry and sometimes the richer mercs. Proper reproductions will cost you quite a penny.

>>7344183
leather jerkins?

example of leather jerkin

>>7344051
found the thread via /tg/'s link

for arms and armour of the early landsknecht, if you can find a copy, I would strongly reccommend

Arms and Armour of Knights and Landsknechts in the Netherlands Army Museum, by Jan Piet Puype and Harm Stevens.

Absolutely superb book focusing on the equipment of the 15thC and early 16th C landsknechts

>>7344037
First let me congratulate you on your choice of attire

With the Crusader Outfit® , you will have all the luxury to smash on heretics and xenos head

Enjoy your newfound fun with friend around a beer in the honor of Saint-Drunkard but beware, white will be forever stained by wine

For the belt , i will try to explain it but you really need to see someone do it... its hard to explain

1 - First you put the belt on you (d-uh...i know)
2 - you pass one end into the metal ring
3- you put this end BEHIND the belt
4- you take the end of the belt wich is behind , and you put it in the loop formed by puting the end behind the belt
5- you pull down to the desired thigthness
6- imagine ou are putting a tie on , it's the same thing


Also , dont you forget your chastity rope if you are playing a Templar... or Ze nun is gonna castrate you

The is no spoilers on /cgl/ damnit!

>>7344322
I hope I never meet ze nun in a dark alley

>>7344144
Hey if thats you in that picture could you post some images of one of your pauldrons i need to fogure out how the inside works

>>7344357
Sorry but it's not, I don't have even a single kit yet, apologies good anon.

>>7344322
why does she castrate people?

>>7344385
it's a joke , it's because she play a really severe nun who enforce the vows of the knigths and sergeants

Funny thing since Ze nun 2 : Ze nunnening
is totally the opposite

>>7344390
Frenadian, if I come to the great war would I be treated as a traveler from a far away land?

>>7344397
How common were those helmet paintings back then?

>>7344397
Yeah man...we hate anglos so much we never even speak english
I once saw a anglo from the states having rocks thrown at him because here we speak french , everything you saw in the medias is true about Quebec ... *until you really come here* huhu

but more seriously , you could be a traveler only if you want to play one

We speak both languages here and in the true faith especially we have a high percentage of native english speaker, some only come to bicolline once a year from the states or from Canada and know some few french words but mostly speak english and we do roleplay it as being...there is other languages in a world this big its normal

but there is no english only and french only guilds
or region oriented guilds

>>7344406
define "back then" There were times when it was common at least with the people who could afford it

>>7344414
Oh I wasn't thinking you guys would hate me or whatever, I already know from talking to you that you guys are bros. I was more wondering how you would explain me only being around once a year or some such.

Another question, how common are fantasy creatures in Bico? I can't read the website T_T

>>7344446
Many people only come once a year, thats no big deal , people who also do campaings and tavern ngth are more rare

And fantasy creatures...too common in my opinion

The website is also old as fuck and dont give a lot of explanation

>>7344449
So you would welcome a monster hunter with open arms?

>>7344452
Kick those fuckers ass

But if you mean the big monsters , only runics can kill them ( fucking bullshit fantasy) but if youre talking about hating on elves and all that stuff, yeah, we're all about that

Death to Xenos!

>>7344455
Well I was thinking more harmful things, goblins, vampires, zombies.. maybe an elf if they poke to many people with pointy things

>>7344459
Elves are the worst

>>7344144
Mead? Always!

>>7344414
I didn't realize you were from Quebec! I've been misreading your name as "Freudian Larpfag" and thought you were in Germany for some reason.

>some slashing on ladies clothes

>>7344658
oh yeah , i dont write this bad just for fun
English is not my main language

I am from Quebec and all the pic i post are from Bicolline or Gn de guerre (Literally warlarp)

>>7344663
you've yet to reach my level of engrish

>>7344663
Warlarp is more about battle , its a full day of objectives but there is no roleplay other than just for fun

and bico is about roleplay with battle that have a link with the geopolitical decisions

its a lot more fun to figth at Warlarp (small changes that make combat more enjoyable) but it lack the roleplaying element

>>7344674
Shamfur dispray!

>>7344022
>>7344025
>>7344031
>>7344033
They whole reason Landknecht fashion evolved as it did, was they were exempt from sumptuary laws (IE, The Romans had a law against purple for non-government, the Dutch had a codpiece size law etc).

>>7344183
>>7344188
Buff coats are late 17th-18thC. Much removed from the landknechts.

>>7344196
>>7344202
Or doublet. Same/diff.

>>7344322
Ringbelts are retarded and a Victorian history wank. Get a nice buckle.

>>7344390
Unff unff

>>7344406
Fairly common. Its an easy and cheap way to dress up your armour, and protect the metal from rusting.

>>7344433
>common at least with the people who could afford it
Which was many. Polished, or white harness was a sign of affluence, as was the crazy fancy painting with gold leafe and such.

>>7344663
>>7344674
You both have better English than many English and American people I know. Just saying.
Being able to wear literally anything meant they wore EVERYTHING. ALL AT ONCE. IN SEVERAL LAYERS. CLASSY.

>>7344710
more painted helms. Painting helms was most popular in the 15th-16thC. Forge blackening, blueing, black paint and enameling were also done.

>>7344714

>>7344720

>>7344663
I agree with gropey, the English of the non-English as a first language namefags is great, better then most.

I'm somewhat familiar with Quebec as the family has a summer cabin in the southern part. The wonderfully rustic buildings in the background really remind me of it actually! Looks like a great set up.

>>7344710
>the Dutch had a codpiece size law
hmm sounds like an awkward law to enforce!

>>7344710
>They whole reason Landknecht fashion evolved as it did, was they were exempt from sumptuary laws (IE, The Romans had a law against purple for non-government, the Dutch had a codpiece size law etc).
well yeah, that was important but wasn't there from the start. Hence why the early LK costumes are not that flashy and colorful.
And later it became the biggest dick contest

>>7344723
thats the shoddy shack of lowtown

here is some pictures of buildings from Oldtown

>>7344723
and some pic of the big inn in the Newtown

>>7344721
Obviously, any surface protection, from wax to metal plating, does need to be touched up... Note the last straggling bit on white paint on his temple.

>>7344723
16thC Dutch had TWO separate laws on codpieces! The first restricted total length portruding, and was later amended to include curvature. The Second was width, as young men were wearing nearly plate-sized codpieces for a while...

Makes my short hemmed doublet look down right modest.

>>7344725
>biggest dick contest
Nah, thats what the pikes and great swords were for.

>>7344710
Most people with English as a second language do, as they worry more about getting it right.

>>7344737
>Nah, thats what the pikes and great swords were for.
yes. If you found someone who dressed better than you, then you tried to kill him. that's why bad wars happened. every other reason you hear is just the political correct version.

>>7344749
>If you found someone who dressed better than you, then you tried to kill him.
Why the fuck does this sound hilariously familiar.

>>7344729
>>7344731
Looks great. That's a town I wouldn't mind visiting!

>>7344710
>>7344725
>>7344737

regarding sumptuary laws, this book may be of interest to the more historically-minded:
"Sumptuary Law in Nurnburg", by Kent Roberts Greenfield, 1918. conveniently out of copyright.

https://ia600300.us.archive.org/20/items/sumptuarylawinn00greerich/sumptuarylawinn00greerich.pdf

>>7344760

>>7344762
Oh mah codpiece!

Have a leather jerken pattern as thanks (bottom, second from the right in your pic)

>>7344768
no need for thanks. just had it in my reference library from when a grman customer was making his outfits for 1490's reenactment.

alas, my own stuff is all 1570's scotland for living history... black, black and more black. miserable bastards here.

>>7344762
do you have any XI to XIII century stuff by any chance?

>>7344759
because that's how the world works. You can see it again and again in history. People tried to kill the ones who were better dressed as they are or the better dressed tried to oppress the not well dressed scum.
race and ideology is just someting to hide the true reason

>>7344762
>"Sumptuary Law in Nurnburg", by Kent Roberts Greenfield, 1918
is this the same thing?
https://archive.org/stream/sumptuarylawinn00greegoog

>>7344778
not that I can think of, other than some wee bits for the wars of independence. I'll dig 'em out if I can find them. though I must admit, trying is mildly inconvenienced by the firebricks and half-assembled 16th C silver and garnet ring that's precariously balanced beside the keyboard and mouse right now, just about to be hard soldered.

why I thought this was a good idea is anyone's guess.

>>7344780
think that's an earlier printing, but the same work.

Hey folks, I return, AND THE BORGIAS IS ON NETFLIX!

>>7344774
>1570's scotland

My condolences for you. I'll wear thrice the brocade with my Italian kit, for you.

Oh, what the hell am I saying?! I'll wear thrice the brocade because LOL ITALIAN.

>>7344888
On the note of TV shows, is Tudors worth my time?

>>7344888
it could be worse. at least there's no fucking tartan carblankets and gurning eejits with blue facepaint for the 1570's.

>>7344893
Its a fun show, with some great visuals and some decent tailoring. The armour is absolute shit on toast, and the pacing can be weird at times.

7-10 on the Gropey scale.

"The Borgias" (Not to be confused with "Borgia" which sucks) is a solid 9-10, but suffers the same armour problem.

>>7344898
Alright, my Dad's friend heard I was getting into SCA and what it was all about and was like "Well ok he might enjoy all the seasons of Tudor ever" and I didn't even know what to even.

hey Frenadian you know odds are we've beaten each other senselessly at tamtam many times

>>7344898
Maybe the men's stuff is decent, but the women's costumes on the Tudors are horrible. I've tried to watch it a couple times and found the outfits so distracting that I couldn't watch.

Where's her shift, what's up with the wacky sleeve length, terrible lace, embroidery makes no sense, modern hair and nothing on her head...

Why would i ever go to the Tamtam ?

I've been there , i saw what it is and i even beaten up some people ...but the novelty of it wear off pretty fast

i've written a big description of why i hate the Tamtam but for the sake of making it short i'll just say...

- Hippies
- Kids
- Tourists
- guerriers de la montagne (some of them are okay, but...the rest....oh god i hate stoner's culture so much)

>>7344924
The Borgias and Rome are damn good. The Tudors is ok.

I am very dissapointed in History Channel's The Vikings. what kills me is that they spent more money making it inauthentic than they would have to make the same show, with period correct clothing and armour!

History Channel purposefully ditched all the rich colors and technology that the various Nordic trading cultures were known for, and made it more "dirty barbarian" because they thought your average viewer wasn't ready to see vikings who enjoyed colorful clothing, wore some of the heaviest armour of the period, and had high standards of hygiene.

>>7345025
That is your problem: You're looking at the sex-sells leading lady. Look at Cathrine, Anne of Cleves and the secondary characters.

Also, curious question: Am I the only one who found Joss Stone (who played Anne of Cleves, and was supposed to be plain and not quite pretty) much more attractive than Natalie Dormer (Anne "sexpot" Boleyn)?

POPE JEREMY IRONS IS BEST POPE.

>>7344898
while the cloths are good in The Borgias they are also horribly out of place most of the time. They like to use cloths that weren't used in that time although fortunately it's just a few decades difference not centuries, most of the time.

about the armors... I'm pretty sure that the french king had a plastic armor in that show

>>7345060
Historical Anne Boleyn wasn't actually known for being pretty, though. Although I'm sure you're not the only one who has (insert any opinion here).

>>7345060
Gropey you speak my language. I couldn't agree with you more on every point.

JEREMY IRONS FOR POPE PLEASE.

>>7345074
They also didn't make much effort in hiding the zippers on the women's gowns.

>>7345026
really no
>-mcgill students/hipster
some francophone you are lol
It has went way downhill tho 5 years ago you would rarely see anyone under 16 unless it was plateau/mile end locals and yes I also hate hippies and stoners every sane person should but mont royal has been my backyard since birth so its easy to filter out all the plebs

>>7345060
Nope, I'd argue Anne of Cleves is just as bad. I know it's normal for the "sexy" and main female characters in anything to be more modernized (hairstyles, missing shifts etc.) than the secondary ones, but some of the choices are just egregious. I'll even excuse the weird headwear stand-in for "Anne of Cleves is always wearing some weird hat thing". I mean, what is going on with the fabric choices here. I'm not sure which is worse, the ikat elephants or the 1983 upholstery floral.

Like I said, decent. Better than the Tudors by far.

>>7345074
Yes, he and several others used fiberglass, but not nearly as bad as the Tudors.

>>7345083
Pope Jeremy Irons: King of the Pride-lands and sheriff of Jerusalem!

>>7345084
WHAT. Never noticed!

>>7345108
See, now you're entering the realms of which I have no knowledge. All the period tailoring women I know picked at every one of the main characters except AofC and Cath. I just watched it for the dickish backstabbings.

>>7345161
I think however we can all agree that Ironclad and The Last Samurai are the most accurate movies ever

>>7345197
>Ironclad and The Last Samurai
>Most accurate ever

CLEARLY you're either an idiot or a troll.

We all know that the 13th Warrior is the best documentary ever!

>>7345210
Of course! how could I forget that movie, I mean the legends of the Wendol are written in stone!

Bumpind with simple Swatch shoe, or pampootie shoe patterns!

Basic

>>7345197
>>7345210
>implying Last Samurai, and Ironclad weren't both good movies.

Did you hate Black death, and 13 Assassins too?

Advanced shoe.

>>7345277
Did I say I hate them?

Ironclad is FUCKING AWESOME, and The Last Samurai has Tom Cruise being beaten with a Boken!

Black Death, and 13 Assassins were both crazy awesome. Season of the Witch was cool except for the ending (I actually was a stunt fighter for some of the reshoots they did in Shrevesport, LA).

I highly suggest everyone watches Solomon Kane, while we're on the subject.

>>7345288
Yeah I fucking loved The Last Samurai, it is just horribly inaccurate.

>>7345277
I mean, really, how could you ever hate a movie with this textbook D&D great cleave in it?

You can't, unless you hate the Magna Carta. Like a Communist.

>>7345060
Anne of Cleves is my favorites of Henry's wives. She was clever and politically savey. Didn't get killed and didn't have to actually be married to him.

http://beatonna.livejournal.com/79859.html
comic by Kate Beaton featuring Anne of Cleves

>>7345108
Yeah there are some real problems there. First off is WHY IKAT WHY!!! It's a fabric from the south east (Indonesia, Thailand, Burman, ect) so why why why is a german princess in the 1500's wearing it.

I think the heard-dress is a attempt to pretty up the awesomely bizarre pudding like german caps that some women wore. pic related.

but yeah again no shift, her arms are bare under her sleeves.

If you want to watch a version of King Henry's wives watch the bbc's version from the 70's. It also has costuming problems (the usual french hood with no veil) but it at-least is fairly accurate for the history and doesn't try to sex it up!

>>7344459
>>7344455
Why the hate on elves?

Where i play we only have about 3 elves, and one is fat. We have plenty pf faggy dark elves though. Anyways ive joined the ranks of the fair folk(with a good kit(in progress) ) so what wid the hate?

>>7345392
Too close to fey. The fey see us as mere playthings.

Around elves, watch yourselves.

>>7345392
because nobody can play good elves at bico it seems

the wood elves are a bunch of hippies with dreadlocks and the magic elves are fat people in aluminium armor

>>7345301

Painfully inaccurate, to be sure. I watch it for the armor porn and try and pretend that Tom Cruise isn't in it at all, much less any other white person.

>>7345447
Its true about the hippie shot and fatties. Good thing im neither, plus i draw most of my characters inspiration from lotr and eragon. A strong noble race.

>>7345301
play Shogun 2: Fall of the Samurai

thats what i am doing rigth now

>>7345481
>draw most of my characters inspiration from lotr and eragon
>draw inspiration from eragon
>ERAGON

Leave. Now.

>>7345481
>lotr
Arrogant, thieving, and selfish?
>eragon
Dragon worshipping vegan warmongers?

>>7345481
for everyone playing correctly an elves, there is 20 horribles ones

Our elves wear Tricorn ....FUCK THEM

>>7345481

The vast majority of Elf players I've encountered draw from LoTR, which is all well and good (*cough*fuckyouFeanor) but I'd like, for once, to see someone base their Elven character off of Darksun elves. They'd be like a cross between Elfquest Sun Folk and Fremen.

>>7345500
>>7345502
What the fucks the problem???

>lotr, color schemes, armor inspiration, posture, hair styles, racial facial adaptations(the way the face looks), elegance, arrogance, etc etc

>eragon, open mindedness, more with nature, exclusion(tended to stat away from other races in their city.

Just simple shit like that im not seeing the problem.

>>7345515
Yeah i know that feel though. Thats why i wantto play mine right. And i cringed at that last part.
>>7345516
Havent head of either of those mind linking me? Im interested and character development is important

>>7345518
lotr elves are mary-sue as fuck, and eragon is a terrible book with little in terms of originality. The story is basically star wars and all the names of just about anything is from lotr.

>>7345518
Eragon is poorly written, trite and the most obvious (and admitted) rip off of several better series.

Put if you really want to know how the fantasy community feels about it, go ask /tg/. They will be less kind then I.

>>7345532
I can accept LotR elves as what they are. They are closer to the angle-proxy LotR race (The Maiar) and have their own faults.

Personally, Hellboy elves, Warhammer elves and Darksun elves are where its at.

>>7345522

Elfquest is a series done by Wendy and Richard Pini, been going on and off since the late '70s.

http://www.elfquest.com/gallery/OnlineComics3.html

Fremen are the desert dwellers of Arrakis, from Frank Herbert's Dune saga.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremen

Dark Sun is a D&D variant realm, a harsh desert environment where scarcity is everything and the wrong kind of magic can blight the land itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Sun

>>7345532
If you want good elves, look at TES, with the exception of CHIM, the lore for TES is pretty awesome.
>>7345549
I've only seen the movies, are the hellboy elves like what are in the second movie?

>>7345532
>>7345549
>>7345551
Ill look up all of those youve said. Thanks!

Also, eragon might be written poorly and not completely original, but you've got to admit, it was still enjoyable. I mean fuck, why cant i have a sexi elf babe like arya

>>7345500
Gropey you're being an elitist prick, stop it.

>>7345551
Fremen are worm riding space-Bedouin (This is awesome). They even speak a variant of Farsi.

Dark Sun Elves are a cross between Kenyans, that central American tribe of natives that are nomadic to the point of exaggeration and buddists. (This is awesome.)

>>7345555
TES Elves, ike everything else in the game, is so insanely detailed and lore laden, its almost like a real culture.

And yes, though the movie barely does the comics justice! And I say that thinking the movie portrayal was awesome. I love how they used ancient pictish writing as scarification, and spoke in an ancient form of Gaelic. The actors actually had to learn the lines IN Gaelic!

>>7345565
>but you've got to admit, it was still enjoyable.
No I don't, because I have read much better books.

>>7345575
He has a point. Eargon is horrible.

>>7345575
Eragon is shit and there is no redeeming value. Deal with it

>>7345575
It's only prickish, if the subject isn't a paperback atrocity.

>>7345590
i wish Bernard Werber translated his book in english.... you guys would have really great books to read then..

But dont be too hard on the Eragon guy , there is no need to bash him , but then...i never even seen Eragon

>>7345581
I'd say that TES larps should happen more often but I feel like they would attract idiots due to how popular Skyrim.

And while the Nords are cool, I am forever a Vvardenfell lover at this point.

I am still ashamed that I lost my Vvardenfell map.

>>7345601
How popular Skyrim is*

Good job at grammar me

>>7345595
The Dungeons and Dragons movie has a more coherent storyline.

You missed nothing by skipping the book/movie.

>>7345601
Honestly, I wouldn't worry much about that, as much as trying to live up to the game world. Its not all STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM and sweetrolls.

BACK ON TOPIC:
How do you like your elves? Personally, Fey-like, aloof and somewhat alien in mind set and thought works for me.

>>7345612
That is essentially how I like them too, like those people who are close to human, yet still sidhe

>>7345612
Aloof, haughty and tired of this world. Immortality isn't all its cracked up to be and some of them are losing their will to live on. Kinda like lotr elves, but more jaded.

>>7345621
Her nose makes me very uncomfortable

>>7345612

I like mine less the special snowflake types and more the inherently flawed types that just have to get by like everyone else. One of the things that drew me to Elfquest a looong time ago was that their species was basically the pinnacle of psychic technology and very literally got beaten down into the dirt on first contact with humanity, and now their descendants are barely conscious of their own origin and struggle to survive just like humans do. The divergent evolutions of each elf tribe are also intriguing, how some managed to maintain at least fragments of their old might while others lost it completely.

>>7345628
I think it look perfectly faun on her.

>>7345612
Personally, a little more human. Of course, I like to make everyone and everything sympathetic. I also like to nix immortality.

>>7345612
Hey Gropey did you ever post the results of that competition you ran?

>>7345621
Ussually I hate people doing their noses like this but I think this chick actually pulls it off really well.

>>7345634
you could say it looks... fauntastic.

>>7345612
That spear, I want it.

>>7345634
Do you have any fauns showing up in LS&DT Gropey? Beautiful fey seem like such a wonderful way to mess with your players...

omg I want to see uncle ruckus only with elves instead of black people...or i will do a female version

damn pointy eared fucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knQWlri5GGw

>>7345639
Like, just long lived?

>>7345643
>Hey Gropey did you ever post the results of that competition you ran?

No! I totally forgot, and I even made little brackets and flashcard for us to pick and vote and everything! I'll do the winners this friday!

>>7345643
>>7345644
Unf. I love fauns.

>>7345645
You know, I am leery to do so, as people expect it. One of the things the LS&DT think tank are aiming for is the fear of the unknown.

At least for the upcomming game, I think we will skip any fauny business.

Though if a suitably interested faun wants to be chased before or after the game, I'd be happy to throw my hunting cap on.

>>7345672
I know it isn't the sort you like, but here is one of the rare male fauns.

>>7345686
A male faun is a Satyr. Not really all that rare if you look for the right name.

>>7345672
Yeah, just long lived, and then only comparatively. like, twice-to-thrice as long as normal humans.

And if I lived closer to Virginia than the other side of the country, I'd totally offer to be a faun. Although I would prefer leading people into ambushes to simply being chased...

>>7345687
forgot my pic.

And yes, I am equal opportunity. Satyrs do exist in LS&DT, luring away young women with seductive words, pretty music and narcotic wines.

Go figure, the townfolk are not a fan of their daughters being molested by cannibal goat-men from the fey realms.

>>7345698
You hunt faun!? ho noes!

>>7345692
Don't forget, I have the home-ec baby simulator!

Can you say changeling?

>>7345702
Sacre bleu! la nonne de faune!

>>7345708
Prepare your anuses

>>7345703
...what? I don't even know...

>>7345718
Used it to make the faunt hunts more challenging for for girls who wanted more. The fae folk kidnap children from their cribs, to be raised amongst them. Sometimes they leave a baby fae or a wooden facsimiles behind known as a "fetch".

It is a life-sized baby doll that they used to give out in highschool home-ec classes. It has basic sensors, so that too much jostling or too loud a noise will cause it to cry for a random length of time or until "consoled" through a suitable rhythemic rocking motions. It also needs head support or its "neck will break", and it will emit a loud beeping and shut down (I disabled the feeding and program).

I got it at a thrift shop, and found the computer software online.

>>7345612
>How do you like your elves?
For fay folk I really think that the faeries/elves from the alternative history novel: "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" are excellent. Scary, otherworldly, and completely devoid of human type morals and empathy.

Too bad the book was a bit of a rambling mess though.

>>7345716
Corn nun?
Y u follow me from /tg/??

>>7345767
Corn nun is the same as >>7345702

Because corn nun is living with me, like my roomate, the dude in this pic

I'm too lazy to add...SOON on this pic

>>7345780
i only post pic of people i know because i dont feel okay to post pic of people if i dont know how they would take to have their pic on the internetsss

thats why there is a lot of pic of me and my friends on here, and sometimes pics of other people but when i photobomb

>>7345672
>fauny business

My sides are on adventure.

>>7345806
Well, you're an easy crowd to work with.

Sup folks?

>>7345877
my everything hurts our team won and ate over 500 calorieds in skittles...worth it

also got any good lameliar?

>>7345886
and I ate*

I am ridiculously jealous of people who get to dress up in historical places

Picture is someone who got to dress up at the Petit Trianon in France--especially lucky because you ordinarily are not allowed in costume at Versailles

>>7345897
I know. Im jealous of all the euro folks, but one of the slightly good things about VA is the multiple historic forts, and living museums (including the Jamestown living museum's 17thC village.)

I gotta get some shots done when the weather gets nice.

Pic is me from when I worked at Jamestown.

>>7345447
>the wood elves are a bunch of hippies with dreadlocks
so they play elves from Overlord?

>>7345612
also
>How do you like your elves?
With the knowledge that this might cause another shitstorm: I like drows and other dark elves

>>7346000
Nothing wrong with that. As it goes with any other character, "As long as its done well."

>>7346000

>>7345601
>I'd say that TES larps should happen more often but I feel like they would attract idiots due to how popular Skyrim.
there will be a TES larp in Croatia in March, although it's already full. And so far I only know about one idiot who will come to the game, but oh boy he is an entertaining one

Can anyone identify what kinda overcoat Mr. Roche wears? Plan on putting together a kit similar to his; very utilitarian in nature.

>>7346186
german-ish overcoat, maybe resembles from VERY far a waffenrock

>>7344896
I approve of this sentiment.

>>7346183
oh god I wish I still lived there. I was a member of the Serbian Guard of Ravens and we had so much fun in Croatia one year.
>tfw where I live now there's no Tolkien-themed LARP and festivals

>>7346300
personally I just started to go there in last year and only to Terra Nova (and to Izgon 2) so I don't know much about what happened there previously. Although as far as I know there are a lot of games which uses the amtgard/dagorhir systems (always forget which one)

Finished my pouches.

They are of course completely unhistorical, I am aware of that. They are made of scrap pieces of leather I had lying around and a discarded school bag from 70 years ago that somebody threw away (deconstructed it and re-stitched it to a smaller bag).

>>7346435
you will have problems with the big one if you put too much stuff in it, I don't think you could close it then

>>7346440

At the moment I store all of the smaller pouches inside the big bag, so there is no problem with that ;-)

>>7345736
Man it would be creepy to run through a forest, trying to find a fae that kidnapped a child and the only sound to give you an idea as to where they are is the distant cry of a child.

i found that
the medieval tailor assistant
i have no manual talent for tailoring so i wont do any of this, but i<m curious to see all of you try something

http://www.strony.toya.net.pl/~kuswir/MTA.pdf

Pauldrons i just started on last night. Moulded everything and what not, hardened it etc etc. i still need 4 more segments though. And the chest straps.

Since i like elves, i went for an elvish look because thats what ill be playing as. Still not sure what color to dye it though. Dark brown, black, tan, black with the tooling silver.

Why do you guys think?

>>7346618
Goes over the right shoulder btw, heres the back. Part of it is wet(darker color) so it moulds better to my body.

>>7346620
On me

>>7346600
Saving for later - thanks! I'm going to sew up a storm this summer, hopefully.

>>7346186
It looks like some sort of gambeson crossed with an early open-front surcoat.

>>7346435
Its still very nice work though, and you have great blocking/shaping! Some brass buckles would make them really pop though (Kultofathena.com has a bunch of small medieval buckles for cheap)

>>7346563
That is exactly the point of the exercise.

>>7346618
>>7346620
Not bad for a beginner, but you need to treat/dye/seal/harden and what not before assembly. I would also encourage ditching pop rivets and using solid copper or brass.

>>7346944
Oh hahahaha i know. It isnt assembled, i was using paper fasteners to hold it together to show how it looks. I still need to get 4 more segments before finished before i can dye it, treat it and assemble it. Not to mention the straps. I dont know what color i should dye it though. I have black and medium brown. What would look better with say a grey, forest, cream, white, and brown color scheme

>>7346977

Medium brown, I'd say.

>>7346988
Thats what im thinking, but i dont want the tooling to get lost by the color.

>>7346977
depends what you want to do with it. You can make it green too for example

Weird... the thread does not auto update for me i just realised that

Anyways

>>7346977
Medium brown, black will always look ''fake'' and medium brown will look better if you decide to eventually add metal part to it


Pic related, this guy has an awesome leather armor , even for me who is not a big fan of leather armor

>>7346944

>Its still very nice work though, and you have great blocking/shaping! Some brass buckles would make them really pop though (Kultofathena.com has a bunch of small medieval buckles for cheap)

Thanks.

The shape comes naturally, the leather is extremely thick and stiff. I had to cut and grind deep furrows on the inside where the leather folds to prevent it from cracking (what it did in some places anyway, the leather is pretty old).

What you mean with the brass buckles? I planned the pouches with the unhistorical magazine pouch mechanism (don't know the exact english term for it). Adding belt straps and buckles is impossible at this point I think.

I am leather armour guy by the way :-D

Still thinking about some character story points atm.
I am integrated in a mercenary band of some 15 people and as they said they want a scout, so I will be the scout (sans horse....so more of a fantasy scout ;-) )

I do not want a "dramatic, special snowflake" background story. So I thought of something along the line of a regular bloke without any title or riches to his name and not enough money to pay for learning a trade. So I guess it is some years of small-time poaching and vagrancy which can explain being able to move silently and using a bow or a knife. How do I explain being able to wield "bigger" weapons? I will add a small falchion/malchus and a small round shield to my kit at some time...

I can't be too "green" because I am a "late starter" concerning larp. At 29, I can't be some green kid just away from home. So I am unsure how to treat the time between becoming self reliant and joing the band.

As a general note: Concerning the character, his abilities and equipment I want to keep to the stuff I know how to do and use IRL and I want to keep it as basic as possible, so no being saved and trained by mountain drow ninja, no tragic past, flashy titles or flashy equipment and clothing.

>>7346994

But you also don't want the black to become the dominant color in a scheme made of the colors you listed. It'll overwhelm everything but the forest. A medium brown won't intrude on the other colors present. The tooling might fade into it a bit, but given what you seem to be going for is a woodlands scheme, you don't want a lot of shiny bling drawing attention anyway.

>>7347007

Maybe you were the old huntsmaster of your town, and on a hunting expedition either your party was unexpectedly ambushed or the hunt went bad and someone important got killed. You managed to survive it, but were blamed for things going south and your Burgermeister/Mayor/Jarl/whatever banished you. You'd been wandering from point of civilization to point of civilization ever since, but not staying longer than a month before moving on, so you've been roughing it ever since. This merc band was blundering through the badlands, half-starved and having problems, when you came across them, and since they obviously don't know the lay of the land like you do, you offered to guide them until they reached wherever it is they're going. You got them fed and have thus ingratiated yourself to them and they've allowed you into their ranks. They don't know that you're an exile and they haven't asked.

>>7347006
I know what you mean by the "fake" it makes it almost look like plastic.and that guys armor is iight. But his beard is kick ass.
>>7347010
You make a good point. Since the tooling is deeper though i might be able to fill the tooling grooves of the leather with the dye making it even darker. Or even use black for that. I appreciate your advice!
>>7346998

Mm no, id not dye my leather a color that isnt"natural" for leather. It has to be in the brown to black color range, maybe some reddish tints. NOW, for detailing though! That isnt a bad idea.

Fuck yeah Larp

>>7347022
>Bürgermeister
Yeah, no. That title was limited to cityfolk, which would mean no hunting parties. You're looking for the Schultheiß.

>>7347041
What the hell is happening in that picture.

>>7347038
that could be good too. for leafs and other elf stuff

>>7347022


thanks for the input and you cool ideas. I would like to tone down on the heroic theme though and keep more to the "olde-good-for-nothing" theme. The band is not what you would call espcecially cleancut and honourable, so they would not care anyway if I was exiled or a criminal.

>>7347038

THink of the fact that when you oil your leather, it will get much darker. So be light on colouring. I did not colour any of my leather scales for example and after applying some oil they are all middle brown in colour (though the cooking did darken some scales too beforehands).

Do yourself the favour and use test pieces for the colours, and apply oil on them too afterwards.

You can also dilute the leather stain to account for the fact that oil will additionally darken the leather.

>>7347049
That dude needs a tunic...

>>7347054
Man thats a great idea. I knew the sealent or whatever darkens the leather but i didnt bother like planning on it darkening so im glad you added that. And dilute the stain how? With water?

>>7347060
nah, he is good, he will die in the arena regardless

>>7347006
>black will always look ''fake''

I manage to make it look decent. Pic related. Old commission.

>>7347007
>The shape comes naturally, the leather is extremely thick and stiff.

Don't under sell your work. Most people fail at doing hard corners there first couple times.

>What you mean with the brass buckles?
Im saying if you chose to add them, they would really look good, by creating contrast to the flat fronts.

>they want a scout, so I will be the scout

Do yourself a favor and read up on some boyscout, hunting and military woodcraft manuals. Nothing chaps my ass more than a so called "scout" or "hunter" who goes barreling through the woods thinking he's all sneaky-like.

>>7347083
you remind me...i have a lot of pic from when i was at the musée de cluny and the musée de l'armée at paris and from Provins

Here it's a working trebuchet

>>7347092
another view

>>7347093
a battle horn

>>7347094
tournament armor

>>7347098
dragon helmet

>>7347065


You are welcome. It depends on your stain, I diluted my stain with spiritus (denatured alcohol). Let it air thoroughly ;-)


pic related. I did not colour any of the scales, it is simply cooked leather with applied linseed oil. Colours vary naturally.

>>7347083

Thanks, though I have to be honest: I have prior experience in making sheathes for my selfmade knives.

>Do yourself a favor and read up on some boyscout, hunting and military woodcraft manuals. Nothing chaps my ass more than a so called "scout" or "hunter" who goes barreling through the woods thinking he's all sneaky-like.

Good recommendation. But I think I will be okay on that front. The role suits me well anyway. Like I said - I keep to the stuff I know how to do. I am quite proficient with the sneakyness. Need for a scout was not the only reason I was asked to do it, but because I fit the bill physically and regarding past experience.

Still think of what to carry in my pockets. Flint, tinder and striker are a given. Will make a wax-board for being able to draw maps and stuff. whetstone. Bandages. Some armour repair stuff. Some water and Jerky. Do you have good additional ideas?

>>7347092
>>7347093
>>7347094
>>7347098
Daaaaamn! Why didn't you post this in the arms and armour thread?!

>>7347101
the best helmet of all time

>>7347105
i kinda forgot i had that you know...

>>7347106
Ze nun being almost the same length as a Zweihander

>>7347105
also thats nothing, you should see all the stuff i have from WW2 in normandy

or napoleonic stuff

anyways...should i stop , i mean real armor and weapons its not the topic of the thread ...

>>7347106
Ahem.

>>7347110
To be fair she is probably the height of most people during those times

>>7347104
Ah, your a knife maker aswell?

>>7347104
>Good recommendation. But I think I will be okay on that front. The role suits me well anyway.

Don't be too cocky there bro. Unless you've actually done it with intent (hunting, military scouting roles) you need to understand that there is a difference between actually being able to track, and pretending to. This is a skill that you can't roleplay.

>Flint, tinder and striker are a given.
Do you have intent, skill and need to use them? Unless you're making fires on the go, I would leave that at camp. If its for fluff reasons, that is acceptable.

>Will make a wax-board for being able to draw maps and stuff.
Not really the best choice. In hot weather, it will run. In cold weather, it will crack and fall off the board. Use a paper/partchment journal and a charcoal crayon. If the journal has a treated cloth or leather cover, it will survive the elements better.

>whetstone.
>Bandages.
>Some armour repair stuff.
See the line about intent, skill and need in the fire set post. You're a scout, not a walking requisitions tent. You're carrying too much stuff unrelated to your job, that has no use when you're scouting. If the bandages are for IRL first aid, you're better off getting a mundane hiker's first aid kit, and hiding it in a pouch.

>Some water and Jerky.
Best choice I've seen so far.

>Do you have good additional ideas?
-A compass
-small strips of cloth to mark trails when you're trail blazing (you blaze the trail for others to follow)
-Jute/hemp string
-small cheap brass bells, packed tightly into cotton or wool batting to eliminate the ringing. (String these on the string above to make subtle trip-wire warnings if you're staking out and observing)
-a good hood. I suggest wool.

>>7347119
Please. Do you even helm?

>>7347142

Yes. Most of my hobbies tend to suit very well to LARP and simliar stuff. So making most things myself is not that far fetched as I past hobbies carry over and I already have much equipment and scrap material.

>>7347110

Going to another new game with some friends, they decided to all play beast folk of varying types, excuse to play a faun? An excuse to play a faun.
Your fault.

>>7347160
Do you really need an excuse to play fauns?

>>7347156
the Orkboys are historical it seems

>>7347164
a well inside a watchtower tower in Champagne , france

>>7347148

>Do you have intent, skill and need to use them? Unless you're making fires on the go, I would leave that at camp. If its for fluff reasons, that is acceptable.

yes, I can make it and use it as well. But to be honest it is purely for fluff reasons.

They wax boards were used in my area very very much in medieval times while paper was expensive. I see no real problem with temperature.

The bandages will as well be purely for fluff reasons concerning some self reliance and the thought that it would be nice to at least patch up a small scratch by oneself.

Repair stuff means only 4 or 5 replacement scales and string (here is the string you mentioned) I used to fix them, I did not mean anything fancy, big or heavy.

A compass would be nice of course, but too hightech and steampunky for my liking as most stuff around here is more northern and european-medieval in theme.

The cloth scraps are a great Idea! WIll implement that. The bells as well. Really like these two!

I already have a very good loden cloak. but something shorter and less cluttery would be more practical in some circumstances, I think I will have to make it myself as most stuff I see is on the "more fantasy - less practical" side.

>>7347163
Well I didn't want to kill off any of my current characters in the systems I played that allowed them, and the faun spam in here kindam ade me wantto play one. So a new game with access to new characters is a good excuse!

>>7347142
>>7347104

ffs, *how* many knifemakers are there looking at this thread?

>>7347203
Lol idk. I havent made any knife for about 3 months when my belt sander blew up.

>>7347203
you don't count cutler anon, you make every kind of (wonderful) cutting devices

>>7347203

here, leather scale guy is one :-D

>>7347210
vicious lies, I've never made a halberd.

>>7347212
No fuckin way you made that. Its gorgeous.

>>7347215

thanks a lot. I have made quite a number of knives as of now. Though work and stuff tends to limit my time for my hobbies, especially in the nearer future

>>7347219
call me a liar and I get a motor block from the model shop plus a katana and hold on to your promise... hmmm... halberd with ray-skin all the way on the pole

>>7347223
That looks great aswell, did you make damascus from the other knife?

>>7347235

I used a scrap piece made by another guy because I did not have the time at the moment. But I usually make my own like in pic related.

>>7347235

or along these lines when you make low layer counts

But enough on knives :-D

Still interested in fluffy equipment stuff for scouts.

>>7347249

the last one was, once again, scrap cecycling, though of my own scrap. The tang area is too thin and not "rounded" enough where blade meets tang, was not that importang though in that case, because I assigned it to kitchen duty.

>>7347169
Historically used wax tablets are indoor items. I used to carry one too, but the weather can ruin it.
Gropey is right, you got too much unscoutly stuff.

>>7347169
A scout who needs to repair armor is a shitty scout.

>>7347310

Well, technically when scouting I could ditch armor and weapons anyway because engaging the enemy is not part of the job, you are less weighed down by shit and possibly you get away with some story if caught without weapons, military attire and so on.

I will spend most time with my comrades though and less time hanging around in the woods on my own, that are small and overcrowded anyway at an event.

A soldier, even more so a mercenary who is unable to do minor repairs to his armor or polish out some nicks in his blade is a pretty stupid idea in my head. So do not get too much carried away with only lurking in the undergrowth and think more of personal items that you would generally have with you - be it at your camp or in your pockets (that you could leave at camp, too if you wanted).

>>7347328
Armyfag here. Airborn scout. You got a very romantic notion of what you need. An extra weapon is more practical than trying to maintain one in the field.

>>7347361

Considering the fact that you do not do battle with bladed weapons nor do you really use your knife that much nowadays when comparing it with the past I'd say that I do not consider this overly relevant.

Weapons are expensive. And heavy. The notion that somebody who uses his weapon from time to time and his knife daily in a non-modern setting would not have the means to resharpen them somewhere in his baggage is pretty unrealistic.

>>7347371
Oh god. You're one of those guys.

nb4 new one is ripped.

>>7347038
Gold and glossy Black looks great in toolings on reddish/brown leather, especially if i's knot-work.

>>7347203
Eh', I've hammered one of two out of thin wire fence posts, nothing fancy though, only had a day to play with the forge, spent most of it just enjoying the sound of steel on steel.

>>7347371
Congratulations! You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>7345918
What year was that, because I think I may have seen you when I'd visited Jamestown...

>>7347394

likewise as it seems.

>>7347383
I could do a black, but. It isnt knot work. Its text.

>>7347150
Most of us are.

>>7347160
Your welcome.

>>7347163
Never. Faun girls are their own reason.

>>7347164
'ERE WE GO 'ERE WE GO 'ERE WE GO

>>7347169
>Wax board
I never said it wasn't medieval, I said it is not practical to outdoor use.

>Bandage
Fluff is a good reason.

>Repair stuff for scales
Why are you using scale armour? that is not very good for a scouting role.

>>7347169
>Compass
The vikings had simple lodestone compasses, and you can find repros online.

>>7347203
Most are probably doing stock reduction techniques rather than actual forging, so its debatable to semantics.

>>7347310
>>7347284
Seconded.

>>7347328
>A soldier, even more so a mercenary who is unable to do minor repairs to his armor or polish out some nicks in his blade is a pretty stupid idea in my head.

Except knicks wont kill a blade, but still require a dedicated set up to handle. A whetstone will not remove knicks, only hone. Maintenance equipment is stuff you leave in your bag for use at camp, not carry like batman's utility belt.

>>7347361
Whats your DesIg?

>>7347371
Ok, well, seeing as you obviously have a misunderstanding of history and how things work, I am going to tell you this as someone who goes out for weeks at a time to hunt wild boar with a spear, while wearing medieval kit, surviving with only the kit I carry on me: You are confusing the aspects of how both a scout/woodsman and professional soldier of a medieval technological and social base (keeping in mind that the fantasy setting is using these aspects as background) operate.

I would be happy to itemize and explain how it works if you wish.

>>7347403
2007. Pic related. Me after having the tip of a rapier going through the skin of my face

>>7347623
Im not gay, but i'd fuck you.

>>7347665
Im flattered. No homo.

Unless you look good in a skirt, then all the homo.

Pic unrelated.

>>7347685
We're entering a magical realm and im cool with that

>>7347665
>>7347623

I am homo, I'd fuck you.

>>7347623
I visited Jamestown in 2007! I might have actually met you! Not that I was really making much use of the internet yet then...

>>7347831
Do you have your CTR handy?

>>7347831
D'awww. Thanks.

>>7347858
Sweet! I was the only guy under the age of 30 working JTS, so I am hard to miss. What do you mean you were not making use of the net? How old are you?

>>7347867
NO. BAD ANON. NOT IN /cgl/!

You know, I'd fucking love a Changeling LARP, but considering all the bad I've heard of MET.

Hey guys.

Im making armor out of 18 gauge sheet metal. first piece I was going to make were the bracers. I was going to fold the edges over using the forge and anvil to create a lip, then bend them into a cylinder and weld them. Good idea?

>>7347871
Currently, a mere 19. I wasn't exactly running around causing trouble on forums and imageboards yet in 2007. But I still have very clear memories from then.

>>7347984
Sounds doable with such a thin gauge, but either a fine edged cold chisel in a vise, or a #13 turning edge for a hardy hole would make the job much much easier. I HIGHLY advise to braising a layer of tin to the inside of the edge first, to seal the metal from corrosion inside the weld.

On that note, welding the roll seems a little overkill to me. A thicker gauge would eliminate the need for any rolled egdes what so ever, but obviously, would take more work and tools.

Here is a good link discribing the use of a cold chisel to roll the edges.

>>7347988
What do you remember? I'm curious!

i have nothing to contribute rigth now but im bumping

>>7348017
Im trying to learn how to weld and figure it would be good and have no seam once I grind it down and polish it up. The other option was to rivet it, which doesnt sound so bad anywyas.

>>7348053
What kind of welding are we talking about here? Forge welding, arc welding, gas welding?

>>7348057
MIG welding, I could in theory do forge welding but I'd be more comfortable with the welder.

>>7348063
Good. I was cringing for a second, because forge welding is very advanced for someone just starting to roll edges.

Again, I feel that welding your rolls is overkill, but as long as you don't burn through your surface and keep your lay even, I wish you the best of luck!

I still suggest the chisel+vise/#13 post to to the actual rolling though.

>>7347371
>Weapons are expensive. And heavy.
they are not piss cheap but far from expensive. At least the ones that a common soldier will use.
And pretty sure they are not heavy.

That said I think you mistake repairing for maintaining.

Plus an extra weapon is ALWAYS a good idea be it a dagger or a sidesword. Or three dagger. (or maybe five, the amount of daggers that "enough" could be very high)

>>7348386
I think in my prime one of my characters walked around with 3 sword and 3 daggers I was planning on getting a a small ball mace but shit got real before I could.

>>7347623

If I was really used for a scouting role, I' really leave the armor alltogether to be honest. Most of the time I'll be with the company and big events always feature "big battles" where I would wear some armor.

>Except knicks wont kill a blade

Yes, the would. A nick is a weak point if you do not "round it out". The longer the blade, the more critical can these damages be. Like I said, I do not necessarily mean stuff I would always carry with me but also stuff I would generally pack as fluff items.

>Ok, well, seeing as you obviously have a misunderstanding of history and how things work, You are confusing the aspects of how both a scout/woodsman and professional soldier of a medieval technological and social base (keeping in mind that the fantasy setting is using these aspects as background) operate.
I would be happy to itemize and explain how it works if you wish.

A kinf of bold and borderline arrogant statement if you ask me. I would rather say we are maybe misunderstandig what the other guy talks about. But go on and enlighten me and maybe I see if we simply misunderstand each other or have dirrerent opinions.

>>7348386

>Carrying two or three swords of 1 to 1.5 kg including scabbard is quite some extra weight and buying new weapons instead of caring for the ones you own seems pretty expensive to me just because one thinks oneself to cool and tactical for carrying one or two small stones...

>That said I think you mistake repairing for maintaining.

That is a good possibility. I have to add that I do not write in my mother language, english is a foreign language for me. So getting my point across and really getting the point of the other person is not always a given.

>Plus an extra weapon is ALWAYS a good idea be it a dagger or a sidesword.

I am already "over-equipped" to be honest. I already have backup weapons and even when unarmed (Side sword and bow) I have a big knife (I did not find a dagger suitable) with me as backup.

>>7348525
You do know that Gropes is both a black-smith and fights full contact with swords right?

If he says a nick wont kill the blade its probably worth trusting.

>>7348537

>You do know that Gropes is both a black-smith and fights full contact with swords right?
If he says a nick wont kill the blade its probably worth trusting.

So?
First, everybody can say much stuff what he does and knows. This is the internet.

I already posted some of the knives I made and I think I am quite proficient in forging and blademaking myself. I have ten years experience with martial arts that use weapons. Once again, this is the internet and you do not know if this is true or not. But if it is, you should understand why I do not find it far fetched to have my own opinion and see no need to simply agree.

>>7348543
And you don't speak english as proficiently as you think.

Knicks are part of a working-blades life. They are not good, and will affect the cut, but are not deep enough to weaken the blade. It is edge damage. Its not cracking through the body.

>>7348543
If a single nick to the blade can ruin your knives, you're the worlds worst knife smith.

>>7348588

>And you don't speak english as proficiently as you think.

Where did I say that?

I said the opposite: Due to foregin language, it may often be the case that I can't get the exact point across or do not get the actual meaning of the other person.

Nicks are weak spots. Simple as that. This has nothing to do woth being a shitty knifemaker.

If you take a blade and for example grind in a triangular damage into the blade and bend the blade to breaking point, it will break at this priorly made weak spot. The same with a tang transition area that is not rounded. If you work with blades, especially if it comes to longer ones, you will want to repair these places at some point when you get the time. Or you could just throw them away and buy new ones of course, but somehow I do not see this as a very economically sane behaviour if you do not live in post-scarcity society.

>>7348608
The way you're presenting your information is that the very moment that the blade is nicked, it is forfet for use until the nick is ground out (which you'd need a file for anyways). A properly forged blade, with any bit of tempering to it will make that an issue that will not indanger the blade in a way that will not make it unusable until you can get it to a proper blade wright.

And whetstones only hone blades, not remove nicks.

>>7348608
Yes, you want to repair and not replace them, but swords are not in need of being ground the moment they get a few knicks, and will be just fine for the time that a scout or soldier is on the move, until he can get back to town/camp.

You're stubborn and talking in circles.

>>7348621

>that the very moment that the blade is nicked, it is forfet for use until the nick is ground out

See, this is in no way what I meant. I think this is the point where we misunderstood each other.

>A properly forged blade, with any bit of tempering to it will make that an issue that will not indanger the blade in a way that will not make it unusable until you can get it to a proper blade wright.

Be it forged or made modern with stock removal, the heat treatment is the important thing that makes a blade great or crappy.
"Any amount of tempering" is not enough though. It should be the correct amount of tempering for the type of blade, the planned use and the material. The blade can still be prone to chipping if you do not do it right at this point.

> And whetstones only hone blades, not remove nicks.

ah okay, it was the wrong term then.

>>7348628

>Yes, you want to repair and not replace them, but swords are not in need of being ground the moment they get a few knicks, and will be just fine for the time that a scout or soldier is on the move, until he can get back to town/camp.

In no way did I say repair has to happen instantly and that a blade is beyond use at this point.

Yes, and that is the reason I will carry this stuff with me. Not necessarily all the time, like I already said half a dozen times. It is not about stuff to have always on your person but stuff would generally have. I find it quite stubborn that you ignore this and keep up your wrong impressions just to have something to holler about.

Im not even going to read the shitstorm woth the scout guy. But anyways check out my pauldron. Its not riveted yet. Or dyed, sealed. It is tooled and hardened though. So, next thing ill go about will by dying them(mediium brown) and adding the rivets and straps.

>>7348653

scout guy (me) does not find it necessary or worthwhile to read the shit either.

It is a cool pauldron. But I am curious how it will look dyed and oiled. Like I proposed yesterday, try different combinations of dye and oil on scrap pieces. Do a test piece without stain, just with oil. Try thinning the stains with denatured alcohol, it can easily get too dark in my experience.

But I would recommend waiting a day to review the final colours.

I use linseed oil and effax leather balm. At first it simply gets a little bit darker in a nice colour of brown. The oil and fat need some time though to properly "branch out". A day later, the colouring is more uniform and even takes on a reddish tint (maybe because of the balm, I never had this when using linseed oil on its own).

Just remember not to saturize it with oil and fat. If you overdo it, leather is even easier to cut afterwards.

>>7348688
I did that on some pieces yesterday night. I got a nice color with dye and finish. Ill post it later tonight once i dye it.

>>7348688
>>7348718

It shames me that I'm as old as I am and have zero knowledge or experience in any craft, leatherworking or otherwise.

>>7348861
make killing and battling your craft

Artisan will be proud to have you test their gear in battle

>>7348966
i asked my tailor for 2 tabard because i knew i was gonna ruin one in battle

I have the parade/cermony one wish is still almost perfectly clean (blood and wine stains and dirt at the bottom are still somewhat there but still. its clean)

And i have the other one... pic related

>>7348653
You didnt miss much. scout dude just won't listen to multiple people trying to correct him.

Yep, im going to lill myself. The dye came out a maroon color. WHY THE HELL CANT I GET A SIMPLE BROWN:(

>>7348966

Battling and killing I already know how to do. I would, however, like to learn how to create something aside from mountains of skulls.

>>7349168

Problem is more along the line that they are answering questions I did not ask and correct stuff that they imagine and ignore what I mean.
And give their advice in a very arrogant way and expect people to do as they say without question or without explanation.

>>7348653
How exactly does one go about hardening leather anyway?

>>7349543
But how do you even when its not done?

>>7349569

...what?

>>7349567

Depends. Some guys try to do it without shrinking the leather. I do not know if that really works and how.

I go all the way with shrinking. It will help if you soak the leather beforehands with very warm water. Afterwards it is put into the boiling water and moved and flipped everytime it begins to bend to much. If it turns into a U shape, heating the bottom of the U can cause it to "even out again". Here you need to make your experience. If you got that you can boil quite big pieces without causing a "leather sausage". It shrinks to half the size while doubling thickness. Afterwards you put it in your sink, flatten it out as good while you can while cooling it down with cold water if you need a flat piece. Afterwards I cut it into the pieces I need and press it between two plates with tools.

If you want a special form, make a negative of what you want to achieve and mold and affix it to this negative while hot. Wait with removing it from the form until completely dry (!!)

Use vegetable tanned leather, at least 2.5mm thick, 3 or 4 mm is better.
It must be untreated with fat. Even then, not every piece of leather will work, sometimes there are some parts of the same skin that come out brittle. Happens. You can see this if it gets too gelatinous and dark while cooking it.

Experience with the process is the most important part.

>>7349599
No. Your suppost to boil it in bees wax.

>>7349607

Don't do that!

Yes, I know everywhere you read about it you read beeswax. But I bet most of this is simply copied and copied and copied again from the original source.

If you do that, you will get a hard leather that is true. But it will be actually very easy to pierce it with weapons and it will lose some of its hardness when it gets warm. If you use water, it is really really tough as nails (the correct leather must be used of course), not susceptible to temperature and protects better.

You should try both with scrap pieces and see for yourself.

So my drop holsters for my Nerf guns came today. Luckily because I have a social event for the Rogue Trader larp i play in on Sunday. While it's a non-combat session, tradition demands that an upstanding Noble such as myself (read sneaky criminal scum) should always carry his weapon(s). Now all I need is a hat and the main costume parts are done and will just have to add personal touches over time.

So my drop holsters for my Nerf guns came today. Luckily because I have a social event for the Rogue Trader larp i play in on Sunday. While it's a non-combat session, tradition demands that an upstanding Noble such as myself (read sneaky criminal scum) should always carry his weapon(s). Now all I need is a hat and the main costume parts are done and will just have to add personal touches over time.

>7349599
But how do you even when its not done? Whats so hard to understand about that?

>>7349619
No man. Ive done both. Non bees waxleather doesnt hold up well

>>7349653

Strange, I've done both, too.

Maybe it is something with the leather you used? Did you compare pieces made from the same leather? Best case would be pieces that were right next to each other in the skin because properties can vary after 10 centimetres.

All leather that was hardened with wax or soaked in oil was easily pierced afterwards, while the water hardened pieces are impossible to pierce afterwards.

>>7349658
I did not use the same leather. And the water hardened became very brittle. Furthermore leather does not stop stabs, it stops slashes

>>7349727

I know the result you mean. This has to do with the leather you used. If it is really thick, it is not that much of a problem, these parts will be extremely brittle but extremely hard. If they are very thick, they are very very hard to break. But I vastly prefer the other leather pieces that come out "okay". They are very tough and not brittle. I buy pieces that are approx. 100 x 30cm from a seller that I know gives me the "not brittle result" when I cook it.

>Furthermore leather does not stop stabs, it stops slashes

Regular leather does not even stop slashes to be honest.
Water hardenening the correct leather will be proof against cutting and stabbing.

>>7349727
> And the water hardened became very brittle

sounds like you over-heated the stuff

>>7349801
Its 14oz leather. So 1/4th an inch thick.
>>7350280
Only 15 secconds in boiling water.

>>7350428
> in boiling water.

yup, you over-heated it.

you want to keep it below 80 degrees, otherwise proteins in the hide start to chance, and it goes brittle.

in other words, if its actually boiling, its too hot.

>>7350545
* change, even

>>7350545
Thats what fucking boiled leather is. And is why you do it in boiling beeswax.

Anyone have the link to the Grope-larp? How different are the rules from NERO?

>>7350280
>>7350545

I made good experience with really boiling it in water. For several minutes. I went the full way so to speak.

Most leather does not get brittle even then. It depends on the kind of leather you use. Use the right one and only small parts of the skin get brittle.

It comes out extremely tough, doubles in thickness and has a very slight flexibility left. When it is dry, piercing it is impossible, short of a crossbow bolt with the right tips at point blank range.

remainder that we are in autosage

>>7350746
How different are the rules from NERO?

In a word: Different.
In many words: Polar opposites.

NERO has lots of rules and numbers. It favors people who can pay for stats or suck up to the people running the game. Everything has rules to tell you if you can or can't do something. Its tries to be heroic high fantasy.

Lost stories and dark tales is rules light with no numbers with an stress on realism and not being a dick. It favors people who have skill or practice in what they are doing. Things without rules have to be done IRL like solving puzzles or finding traps. It tries to be gritty low fantasy.

Check the archives for a link, because sometimes clownbro swaps his email for the facebook.

>>7350746

Grope-LARP link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dh0180

So this is where you were. I've been looking for the larp-thread.

Oh god this thread is still alive

>>7352222
such is life in /cgl/, a thread could exist for more than one week in some cases

If Gropes is still around, I'd be rather interested in some good reading to get an idea of the mythos that inspired LS&DT. I know that it's the darker folklore, and often Celtic and such, but not sure where to start for reading about it.

>>7352237
Its a mix of german/celtic/ euro folktales, a little bit of warhammer fantasy. Grimm's fairy tales by way or Berzerk. They are build their own fluff from there through players talking to grop and fitting their character backgrounds.

>>7352316
>Berzerk
Without CRTs? Blasphemy!

>Leather boiling/waxing.
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiNUZwug5t0

>>7350746
Link to the facebook, and download of the rules in the email field. >>7352011 Sums up the differences pretty well, but there is a little more to it.

>>7351972
Good, I was going to start a new thread in /tg/ anyways.

>>7352219
>>7352222
Well, it's in /tg/ now >>>30047624

>>7352236
Its a sloooooooooow board.

>>7352237
Again, another anon beat me to it, >>7352316.

The setting is purposefully ambiguous for now, but comparable to WHF in most ways, while still allowing us to incorporate our own fluff. It is a 15th/16C western European low fantasy setting, that takes place mostly in the small villages and trade camps between the greater cities and burgs of the over arching Empire. The key thing to this, is that the games we are playing take place on the micro scale of the setting, in the ancient and dangerous forests that are in between the islands of civilization and settlements.
This also allows for men and women from all over the world: Traders and mystics from the burning sands across the sea. Mercenaries and Priests of the southern City-States. Fierce sailors and woodsmen of the north....etc. If you want to be a Northman Russian type from a village called Klaskena which has a reputation for bear tamers and wrestlers, go for it, as long as you has it out with me so I can make sure the lore fits, and I can record it.

>>7352467
BAD ANON! BAD!

>>7352732
Goddamnit Gropes. Not again.
>>>/tg/30047624

I watched that earlier. ANYWAYS GUYS after i made my pauldron, dyed it and didnt like the color, i REMADE a completely new one! yay. two fucking pairs, both for my right shoulder. this one, i don't want to fuck up with dying. anyone have any experience with dyes? i honestly want it to be the color of some boots ill post a picture of later. what do you guys think?

>>7353114
I need this pauldron to be this color. also, sorry you cant see it well. iphone cameras are stupid.

>>7353229
Please tell me you're going to hide the vibram sole somehow.
Also, most of us are over at >>>/tg/30047624 now.

>>7353114
can we get a closer picture?