/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

b8

I love MM dresses, but too small to fit most of their dresses unless there's shirring.

This thread is going to go to shit quickly.

Shame, because I'm not sure if I can fit into that VM dress I bought. Would the pushup pads really work, or would they look weirdly out of place? I know I asked this before, but I'd like some input on how it looks specifically on lolita dresses.

>>7345104
ever heard of a tailor?

/end thread

>>7345105
no b8 I´m serious

>>7345105
>>7345109
And a thousand raging landwhales slam furiously on their keyboards.

Seriously though, unshirred/uncorseted VM (and MM), as well as OP's of a lot of brands are difficult to fit into at even average brand sizes, let alone under average...

>too skinny to fit brand except for Emily Temple
Jane Marple is smaller on average, but both them and Emily Temple are more Otome than anything else.

Also you're not too skinny to fit brand, you can get it tailored to fit smaller. Though you'll have to go to a real professional like someone who takes in wedding dresses would be the best. The only problem with taking it in would be the potential loss of profit from reselling, but then it wouldn't be so bad unless you like sweet lolita prints.

Also a lot of brands skirts are smaller. Exactly what are your measurements and height? Because you may be thin, but if you're quite tall that should even it out since most Japanese girls are an average of 5ft2in.

As much as you like teeheeing about how tiny you are, you can just find a tailor. It's that simple.

>>7345104
newbie here, Is mm sizzing smaller than other lolita brands?

Really, OP, because it seems like every plus size lolita thread gets shitposted to hell and back until the janitor is forced to delete it

>>7345186
this. literally every problem you could possibly have with brand being too small can be solved by a tailor

I'm pretty small and probably around average build but if there's one thing I can't stand it's that I have a lot of difficulty finding clothes with sleeves
that don't drape over my hands because my arms are too short for them.

>>7345186
>destroying resale value by tailoring
Let small lolitas break the fatass circlejerk for once without complaining, please.

inb4 mintkismet

>>7345215
Not just that, but there's also the chance (no matter how small) that your tailor could absolutely fuck up the job. It doesn't matter how good the tailor is, everyone makes mistakes, and I hate getting my things tailored because of the fear that my item will be that mistake.

>>7345206
I think it's adorable when a girl's sleeves are too long for her arms..

I just have a question.

VM's dress size is 88cm bust, and a 70cm waist.

Exactly how small is that in American sizes? XS? XXS? S?

I'm curious about this for reasons.

>>7345230
About a S/M.

>>7345230
You do realise sizes vary from store to store so there's no such thing as a standard size?

>>7345234
Slightly relieving. Thanks anon.

>>7345237
you can still find sizing charts. The sizes don't mean literally nothing, you know.

>>7345175
I just measured myself and my weist is 68 and my bust 78 (I gained weight in this winter!) I don´t know about my height (no one here to measure it) It´s maybe 162cm?
I don´t have problems for skirts, I can wear them all but jsk, ops, blouses often don´t fit me even at the smallest size (there are still some exeption) and I´m not even this skinny >.<
I can always try to alter them and buy from the brands with the smallest sizing but recently I´m trying to find a coat and.... yeah... any suggesthing?

>>7345245
What? I'm 62cm waist and I've never had this problem. I pretty much always buy stuff that the larger girls in my comm order too small by accident.

>>7345245
I am waist 58 bust 74 and have some issues but it's not a huge problem so you shouldn't have any issues! You're pretty much right around the target size for a lot of standard brand sizes!

>>7345245
I have a 24.5" waist at 5'8 and fit fine

>>7345189
It's more that they don't really go as large as other brands do, lack of shirring in pieces, too.

>>7345245
Things will fit your waist just fine, so you'll be okay for pretty much all brand skirts. But your bust is definitely way too small for a lot of JSK/OP's. I would agree stick to skirts.

>>7345245
Coat shopping is rather hard though they tend to add additional room for clothing, a lot of brands assume that you're going to wear quite a few layers. So anything within the mid 90cm range should be ok, just a bit roomy. I personally suggest trying to find something locally, you usually can find cute stuff everywhere now.

Though if you're going with a lolita brand based one, I suggest picking a jacket over a coat, since they tend to have overall smaller measurements.

Also while skirts fit good, I'm not exactly what you could do. All I can suggest is look for pieces that have a corseted back because at least you can tighten them for your body much better. But if you wear classical that might be a bit hard to find, though their pieces seem to drape better and look amazing on a thinner build.

>>7345289
>picture is right-side up in the thumbnail
>flips when I click it
What a plot twist.

Cute coat though.

>>7345224
A tailor also can't miraculously add length to a dress's torso, too.
>tfw I'm also too tall

>>7345109
this. if you're too fat or too tall there is no hope for you to fit into any dresses.

but if you're skinny or too short, you can just take things in, or get shit hemmed. not that hard.

>>7345318
Innocent World size small long version jsks or ops should fit. Innocent World release quite a few items with back corsetting and their jsks suit smaller busted girls best.

>>7345245
Your measurements are quite interesting anon, I guess you would have some issues as there isn't much of a difference between your bust and waist measurements. I have the same waist as you but 92cm bust. I would recommend items with back corsetting.

>>7345422
you waist + bust measurements.... you´re a lucky anon! I want this body too >.<

i know this feel OP
life is hard

>>7345230
You should probably just get a tape measure and take your measurements. If you are a few centimeters less than VM's standard measurements, you will fit. As someone else already said, sizing is not standardized, so it's unreliable.

>>7345457
Really? That's surprising! I'm also only a couple of cms taller. I always feel fat and finding blouses can be very hard. It isn't always the best for lolita I fit most brands non shirred and shirred but haven't tried MM,VM or Moitie despite those being the brands with most of my dream items. Sometimes I wish I was petite but I guess we all wish to have what we don't.

I'm tall but thin (172 cm tall, 82 cm bust), so my proportions are weird for brand. Brand pieces that look great on the models or shop dressforms end up being too short on me and/or baggy in the chest area. Long dresses and babydoll cuts are pretty flattering though.

>>7345289
the thing is, I already own lots~ of jackets and cardigans but I really dream of a long fluffy lolita coat.I purchased one once, but was terrified at how big it was!
to alter a caot seams too be complicated, so aren´t there any brands who make smaller size?

>>7345469
;~;

>>7345514
Moitie, Atelier Boz (for women), Mary Magdalene.

>>7345570
thank you! I never purchased from all of them (exept mmm for a skirt and a jsk) but I would look out for them for a coat

I feel so hard for this thread right now! 76cm bust (A cup) 60cm waist. All my dresses look like I'm waring a pillow case as a top. I try to wear "big girl" bras but it doesn't really help much. My OCD will not let me alter my brand in any way, shape or form nor would I want to risk not being able to resale it. For the most part I try to buy JSK's that have a back corset and I jump at the ones that have both back and front, like Romantic Rose Letter and Gloria. That way I can tighten it on both sides.

PS: good thing about being so small is shopping in the kids department and getting all my clothing for half the price!! I swear it's the same damn shit!! Little girls be Hoes now a days!!!

PPS: the BF said the best way to solve our problems it to eat a sandwich . . . I'll punch him later =_______=

>>7345657
The way you type is really annoying.

>>7345657
Could you maybe layer bras to make it feel like you've got bigger breasts? That might fill the dresses out a little better.

>>7345657
You have to be 18 to be here.

>>7345657
Maybe you can't fit dresses because you need to go through puberty first?

>>7345231
W-what about when her arms are too long for her sleeves, anon?

>TFW 5'5"
>TFW 23"/58 cm sleeves needed

It's so upsetting.

>>7345245
73-55-75 here. I usually have problems with the waist being way too big, and the bust looking awkward unless I wear my tittay bra. I also can't find a bra in my actual size, which blows. My band size is 66cm ;;

I don't even have big tits (clearly) I just have a tiny ribcage.

>>7345657
Yo anon, kids section all the way. My favorite normalfag dresses are kids' size 14.

Also
>eat a sandwich

Fuck anyone who says that, because eating a fucking sandwich will not help. Tell him to eat a dick next time he says that.

>>7345245
I'm just like you. The worst thing is that my favourite brand is VM and I float in it, the best being I can fit anything old school.
I don't understand why brand skirt are so tiny tought. 66cm is really small, I can definitly make it but it's not comfortable at all.

>>7345514
I have a old school AatP one and it's just fine size wise

Does anyone else somehow have trouble with cheaper OTKs being way too tight at the thighs? My thighs are only like 14" around, and some of my OTKs squeeze them so badly they leave marks for up to two days after I wear them.

I have no idea how fatties wear the damn things.

>>7345657

You don't need emoticons on this site. Also, calm down. It'll stop the accusations of you being 18.

Just wanna let all of you guys know, Bodyline seems to be taking suggestions for dresses to make in a small as well. So if there was that dress you were hankerin' for that only came in medium, now is the time to try and get it in a small.

>>7345390
There's a limit to what tailoring is capable of doing. Really, what tailoring is for is correcting minor differences in the intended fit on your body, or for people who fall inbetween sizing. It's not for making one size fit another.

>>7345098
Thank you for this thread. People who are not petite won't understand that we have problems with clothing too. And that we will get ID'ed EVERYWHERE, always... I've had someone think my bf was my elder brother (wtf).

I try buying dresses with corset lacing + waist ties so I can tie as much as I can without the fabric bunching up too much. Also short lengths hit my calves, which is annoying because it makes me look ever shorter...

>>7345513
Same measurements as you anon! Wish I could wear cute blouses but they are too short even when I wear them with skirts.

I'm 4'11'' here and if things don't have lacing to tie it tighter.. oh I'm out of luck :s Most things without it are baggy on me. And also the fear of ordering things and them going past my shins ahhh

>>7345390
well, i altered the little prince cause that was ridic but i tend to be afraid to alter if if i want to sell stuff later on.

>>7346626
can we share the woes of trying to get the right angles for mirror selfies? my legs always look unproportionately short

>>7347818
hi mimi

>>7345224
Not to mention that printed dresses would be a hassle. Where are you going to lose detail? Preserve the border of the skirt? Well, you'd better hope there's not a lot going on at the top of the skirt.

>>7345513
172 cm with an 80 cm bust, and I can relate. Don't get me started on long sleeves and shoulders, either. I feel so awkward, because everything is baggy or sometimes okay fitting, and then my long arms and broad (for brand sizing) shoulders stick out. If everything were evenly baggy, or too tight, it wouldn't be so bad, but I just can't stand it. In general, I love my body, but I hate putting clothes on it. They all feel like they're made for somebody else.

>>7345792
58 cm sleeves are pretty standard for lolita. I need sleeves that are about 65 cm.

>>7345109
says someone whose never tried on a MM dress.

>>7347944
Get a mirror that tilts upwards or has an adjustable stand, otherwise lean back and take photo from face height.

General small lolita tips incoming:
- Brand blouses are generally too big.
- Fixed size brand probably won't fit unless it's older releases
- Skirts are smaller than dresses, Meta's older "part elastic" ones (they aren't truly half elastic, the elastic is just for breathing!) are fantastic and usually fit 60-66cm waist well, plus have waist ties for those who are just under the measurements.
- Shirring AND corset lacing, all the time, most IW/Baby/AP/Meta with the above will fit.
- Fixed size ETC doesn't run that small, their fixed size is ~33" bust/28" waist. Shirley Temple/some ETC do children's sizes, which are okay if you're shorter but the waist is often too big.
- Atelier Pierrot goes quite small without looking silly with corset/shirred items. Avoid their corset dresses unless you are willing to tape them to stay up
- MM/VM is usually huge, but can be made to fit if it has corset lacing down the whole of the back. If it just has waist ties, proceed with caution.
- Ditto JetJ. Their styles are sometimes more amenable to alteration though
- tailoring - okay, to take in a lot of these dresses is a pretty big job in the same way altering a dress to be bigger is a pretty big job. Neither are just something you can pop down to the tailor for like hemming your pants. If you are really too small for a dress, it often means recutting the entire bodice for it to look good - plus detaching the skirt and lining, recutting the lining to the size of the bodice, and regathering and attaching the skirt - possibly nearly the whole of it to distribute the gathers more evenly if you've had to take a fair amount out of the waist of the bodice. It's not simple, doesn't always look good, and does require a decently skilled seamstress to do it.
- taobao in a size S if you're small AND short - although some places do longer skirts/dresses I imagine longer bodices and sleeves aren't the norm.

>>7348502
>- taobao in a size S if you're small AND short
Thanks for writing this list but I'd like to add that even if it says it's a small or extra small, do not rely on anything except numerical dimensions for reassurance that something will fit.
Recently got some things from various taobao brands all sized an S that have turned out about a UK 10, which is right for a western S but really not what I expected from taobao fabled sizes, and still really short on a 5"1-er.

>>7348502
THANK YOU
<3

Ugh, I have this problem. It was worse when I was too poor to wear anything but bodyline, but all my brand is still a bit loose around the waist, and definitely in the chest. It doesn't help that nobody I live with can tie waist ties tight enough, so they're practically falling off.
I eat a lot too, but I have really fast metabolism and can't gain any weight...

>Tiny and busty
>Brand measurements say I can fit
>Don't

>>7345958
>14 inch thigh
how do you?????????? super anorexia juice fasting???
>mfw 21.5 in thighs because I run, and /fit, because otherwise, fat
>tfw solid tights only for me

in fact this whole thread makes me want to an hero and I'm only fucking 68cm waist, 5'6"
>tfw 82 cm ribs
>82 cm
>RIBS, which are even fucking visible when I lift up my arms a little bit

>that fucking feel when your frame gives you choice between fucking Arnold muscles, or fat.
Not even cute pear shaped fat, either. when I am really fat, it's all in my fucking upper arms

Taste my fatty fat tears. I'm also a fucking vegan

>>7348817
>5' 6"
>huge ribcage
>body decides to store fat in upper arms for some fucking reason

Fucking this. Are you me? I'm 5' 6" 107lbs and my waist refuses to get smaller than 66cm even though I can see my ribs just standing around. I even have scoliosis so my ribcage juts out on one side and is generally hideous. Fuck.

Sorry to shit up your thread, tiny-chans, but it feels good to get that out.

>>7348817
Anon, are you me?
Vegan,5 feet tall,gym daily, and I weigh 145 pounds.i have fit thighs and a bubble butt so i look great in sweatpants but horrid in lolita. I was 130 and a total fatty chan when I started but My entire family is kind of "thick" and my brother is a body builder so I'm sure it's genetic but I wish I was skinny and frail ;-;
Everyone else in my height range weighs under 100 pounds and while being able to eat tons of junk food.i feel like the only way id ever achieve a more normal weight for my height is full blown anorexia.

A little insight My gym regimen consists of threadmill, eliptical and then weight machines ( i dont use free weights anymore becouse they gave me insanely thick arms) . I mostly eat leafy Greens with hummas, the occasional bread and lots of soup. I'm terrible at math so i can't bring myself to count calories but I'm pretty sure I'm not eating foods in an amount that would classify as bulking .
And worst of all becouse of all this, all of my boyfriends for the past 2 years have been fit bros, but I like tall skinny Aisan Kpop guys. ;-;

>>7348829
We should form a club.

>>7348841
Actually, I'm pretty sure you're me, anon. 5'1", super healthy home cook, /fit/ - and I have two choices for my body: chubby/fat if I don't take care of myself, or a solid block of muscle if I do (and I'm still 35-27-36). No printed socks/tights because my giant calf muscles stretch everything. I can't even wear skinny jeans when I'm in civvies.

TFW classic/gothic lolita and I will never wear VM, MM, or MMM.

>>7348841
>hummus
>this and spinach
>erryday

I'm 82cm ribs anon and so much this, I love hummus

also
>big thighs, muscle errywhurr...
>except butt
>squats
>still no butt
>tfw

we should start a "why does my skeleton fuck me over" club

>>7348863
You can wear all those brands, silly, you just have to find the right cut.

>>7348502
These are pretty helpful. I just have something to add to this one:
>Shirring AND corset lacing, all the time, most IW/Baby/AP/Meta with the above will fit.
Sometimes the lacing on the back is just decorative and doesn't cinch in without pulling and possibly tearing the lace that the ribbon is looped through. It's kind of hard to see in this picture, but this is what I'm talking about. If the ribbon is going through grommets or any kind of sturdier loops, it's ok to pull tight, but not if it's going through delicate lace.

>>7348045
I may have done that measurement wrong, but most sleeves I see are 20" long. I don't into lolita, though, I'm mainly into other jfash.

Anyway, I have a hard time finding normal long sleeves that are long enough, and then these tiny Asians with their short ass arms, god damn it.

>>7348552
Shit, I just ordered a fuckton from Miss Point on Taobao. Really hoping it's not all super short, because I'm 5'5" and all leg.

>>7348817
Ahah. I'm the 14 inch thigh anon. I've pretty much always been at least 15 lbs underweight. I was like 40 lbs in 6th grade. I'm currently at a solid 98, and most of that is my height. I guess I just got lucky with the metabolism, but I'm afraid of what will happen when it finally slows down.

>MFW I boredom eat
>MFW I sad eat
>MFW I eat at least every 2 hours

I'm going to be obese one day.

But really, are you making sure to eat a balanced diet? Like, making up for all the shit you're NOT getting from animal products. Because that can really fuck your metabolism up.

>>7348841
Damn anon, that sucks. But listen, skinny and frail is no good either. If I could add some pounds, I would. I'm pretty much always bruised somewhere, because I have no padding on my butt, arms, back, etc. Spine sticks out all over the place. I have calluses on my back from leaning against hard backed chairs.

>>7348878
u gotta eat for the butt

>>7350448
>>7350459
I do nutritional yeast, quinoa, try to get all my iron with greens and b12s, brown rice, etc...

I've been vegan for over seven years and when I first started, lost almost 50 lbs. Been steady fluctuations 127-133lbs for past four years or so.

But a tiny as fuck fairy person telling me I might be fat/big because I'm not eating butter and bacon is pretty fucking funny.

>>7345237
Actually, there is. The "one size" brands put out are a US6 or Medium. Measurement-wise that's about 36-25-26. I use a size 6 dress mannequin for sewing and every brand item I've had fit, with variations in ease.
6 is also the standard of fashion in general. It's the size samples are made in and the standard of fashion models.

So for lolita brands, unless an item is labeled L or S size, it's pretty safe to assume its a 6.