/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

and just to answer a question from previous thread

>On those halberds in the video, are that pole parts covered in foam/latex as well? or are those just straight wood/plastic?

>DF rules mandate a minimum 6-10mm of foam covering all parts of the polearm.

>normaly the organisation ask for atleast the 3 first feet of the spear/halberd to be covered in foam

while there are rules about weapons there is no weapon check in DF, at least there wasn't any in 2013. All they said is "make sure your weapon is safe. If there is an accident because of a weapon then sucks to be you"

>>7324345
That's the rule your shit has to abide by if the SL checks your weapons for some reason. It'd be impossible to check all weapons at check-in for a con with attendance going into the thousands.

>>7324353
Stealing this from the DF website:
>The target area of a pole arm is divided into a strike zone and a non strike zone. For all axes and clubs, the head or the ax blade is the strike zone, the shaft is the non strike zone.
>The same is true for pole arms and halberds with the exception of the staffs.
>• The core should be an unbreakable Fibreglass rod upto 16mm in diameter.
>• Pole arms must be padded on all surfaces with at least 6mm of firm foam or 10mm of soft foam.
>• Pole weapons and staffs must be wielded with two hands. Blows should be slow and controlled – this is especially important when fighting staff.
>Remember that this are large 'heavy' weapons in reality. Since the length of these weapons gives you less control it is important to ensure you use them even more carefully.

>>7324333
>Elitism
It is only bad if it is unwarranted, and dickswords definitely warrant it.

>>7324360
it's an ongoing joke among us that we are the elitist group around here. Because there was time when they called us elitists because we had standards that weren't "T-shirt standard"

>>7322921
Ah well that makes sense and it's great for her to do the work to get all that helpful stuff up.

No apologies necessary, I've only made two historical gowns so I very much consider myself a novice.

Janet Arnold really did some wonderful work, it's too bad her more extensive books are so expensive.

They have republished a few of her pattern books
http://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Fashion-Construction-Clothes-C1560-1620/dp/0896760839/ref=la_B000APR3TQ_1_3/179-0044205-9359830?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390507349&sr=1-3

I have the 18th century one, and although I haven't used it yet, the patterns and info look wonderful. I'd love to get that 16th century one too. I also have "The Tudor Tailor" which has some good patterns (although limited to English styles) and some really invaluable research into what kinds of fabric was available then.

>reposting so it doesn't get lost in the previous thread

>>7324368
Either way, I'd only really find you guys elitist if you weren't willing to help

>>7324373
this just show how bad this hobby can sink and how good a minority of people are working to not make us all look this bad

>>7324380
yeah, although truth to be told in 2011 and 2012 the only bad costumes were the ones on the pic. I still have to update with the 2013 pics although the problem is not much pics were made that year and most of them are blurry as fuck... somehow we forgot how to make pictures in 2013

although I'm pretty sure this would be the best one in 2013

>>7324391
Is he wielding Wraithverge?

and while I don't have a picture of the guy with the worst costume who had an analdozer as a weapon but this guy in the green shirt is the worst that I have a picture of

>>7324397
or the Serpent Staff?

>>7324397
probably not, it's just a chaos artifact he made

>Mage's staff

My first and only mage character

>>7324398
Things like this picture make me want to remind everyone starting out how fucking important accessoires are. Even cheap-ass tunics and shirts like that can easily be improved by accessorising correctly, but no, gotta be lazy and only do the bare minimum.

>>7324442
what sort of accessories do you recommend?

>>7324450
That really depends on the character, though nigh-universal ones are things like a good hat or a decent belt. Otherwise things that generally make you look less "sterile" of sorts, like bracelets, necklaces and other small clutter that make it look like you aren't just a dude in a costume.

>>7323826
Amtgard is human herpes.

>>7324013
Various Morris games (6-18)
Chess
Senet
Checkers
Backgammon
alquerqe
hnefatafl
Glukhause (pic related, easy dice and gambling game)
Tafl
Most card games

>>7324537
that's a lovely cloth, think I have a project for the weekend

>>7324537
wait, why is a "2" square on that board?

>>7324547
You want to see more? I have tons of wood, leather, and cloth Gluckhaus boards.

Here is the basic layout....

>>7324555
Here is a printed cloth one...

>>7324555
I would love to see more (I have 15 minutes til I leave lol)

>>7324558
and here is paintr one from the 17thC, with a framed edge, so you don't drunkenly spill the coins everywhere!

>>7324565
derp

>>7324471
What about scarves and sashes? Are those any good? Or just silly?

>>7324450
Belt, vest, hat, neckerchief, a "Strud" (see attached picture, can't find the english word),

>>7324537
That makes me want to make a fabric roll-up backgammon board; and do it with blackwork embroidery because I don't have enough projects already.

I like the idea of a functional sampler though

>>7324581
>Neckerchief

That just makes me think of young boy scouts, wearing their uniforms.

>>7324581
Cowl.

>>7324579
As long as they fit the rest of the costume and don't look modern or like shit, go wild.
It's all about building you garb around your character and vice versa.

>>7324589
I saw a twink video once with that

>>7324579
Layers mang, almost any layering will help, just... check in out in the mirror first, thinking about what'll look good and actually wearing it well are different matters entirely.

>>7324579
Depends on the clothing and weather. Notice in most "good" pics look comfortable, worn in and more so "alive". It has the personal effects and accessories that the wearer would need for day-to day tasks.

>>7324587
That is perfect, and in fact, I know I have some period examples of that somewhere.

>>7324537
About cardgames...

Will a standard deck do? Or is that too modern?

>>7324604
You can, as it is the same damn deck, but if you really want to look good, spend the few bucks and get a medieval set of cards. Historic Enterprises has them cheap!

16thC French
http://historicenterprises.com/reenactment-goods-c-102/miscellaneous-items-c-102_174/playing-cards-16th-century-french-p-601.html

16thC German
http://historicenterprises.com/reenactment-goods-c-102/miscellaneous-items-c-102_174/playing-cards-16th-century-german-p-602.html

15thC German
http://historicenterprises.com/sundries-c-103/games-and-toys-c-103_143/playing-cards-15th-century-p-1328.html

Pic is the 15thC deck

>>7324603
This really shows that thinking of functional layering is important. Weather is variable and if you take off one layer and the under garment looks terrible, well it will be lame.

>>7324604
If you want to be a stickler about it, a generic set of cards won't suffice because the suits are completely different depending on country of origin.
It's not as important though.

>>7324610
Aaand the 16thC French deck

>>7324611
Indeed

>>7324610
You wouldn't know of any place dealing in the the rounded variety?
Really dig the style.

>>7324603
How big are cloak pins usually Gropey? cloaks themselves seem fairly simple in terms of actually making one(The website where pic related comes from says they were a large rectangle)

>>7324620
forgot the damn picture

>>7324614
I find it amusing that these suggestions sound so similar to advice on how to build a good j-fashion wardrobe or really building up a closet for any style. Makes sense really

>>7324610
...that's not a German suit at all? That's just a antiqued French suit.
>>7324624
Well, yeah, in essence it is the same thing, after all. Just with a slightly different goal.

>>7324622
Others might beg to differ but it's my experience that a large rectangle draped around the shoulders and pinned tends to drape funny around the neck and bind around the shoulders. I would suggest a partial circular shape.

>>7324627
fun fact: that kind of cards called "Hungarian cards" around here

>>7324624
Well in 400 year the advice for 21st century dress will still be layers.

The people going with just a tunic's the equivalent of wearing just a dress shirt over nothing.

>>7324629
Probably imported during the Austro-Hungarian period, their origin lies in Bavaria as far as I know.

>>7324619
I am making my own burgundian rounded deck with help from the Colonial Williamsburg print shop.

>>7324622
Period, and culture. Lots of variation.

>>7324624
Because that is how people dress in real life, even today.

>>7324627
I trust HE. They say its German, it is. Besides, the French and German traded a lot of culture.

>>7324632
well, we did a lot of things around that time just to say "FUCK YOU AUSTRIA!"

>>7324633
True, outside of the southeast it's impossible to find a "proper" German suit of cards either way. Most just use the French one.

>>7324633
Neat, looks a lot more pocket friendly, and less prone to ruined corners.

>>7324633
>>7324636
Actually, I just checked, their website also says it's a French suit. Gropes, you might have mixed that one up.

>>7324633
Sorry I should remember to state that, 9th century Scandinavia, if you need more then that, Sweden

>>7324603
I would love to see an example. And now that I think about it's actually a great project for right now, and taking to the sca sewing circle . I was thinking of working on some blackwork cuffs while I figured out what my next big project will be and gather materials.

Plus I love backgammon with a scary competitive passion.

I was JUST looking for historical cards and then this thread happens.
Damnit, I love you /tg!

>>7324374
I have the 16th century pattern book because I was lucky enough to befriend someone just as she was getting out of the renfair thing. I have Tudor Tailor too. I guess I'm good at getting books and fabric but then I chicken out when it comes to the sewing, or more accurately the pattern drafting. I don't have as much disposable income now so maybe this is the year I actually use the stuff in the closet since the money's already spent.

Had to go find another German cause all these pretty Italians and Elizabethans are distracting and I gotta stick to the one thing at a time. (Which doesn't mean to stop posting them)

>>7324678
Cutting expensive fabric is the scariest part of sewing, I swear I have to psych myself up to even start. So many test muslins out of thrifted sheets.

She was so nice to give you those books, so much envy!

Where are you planning on wearing your finished gown? I got tired of the gimickiness of our local rennfair so I'm looking into the sca.

Haha your not on the east coast are you? I have to admit it's exciting to meet another lolita/historical costuming enthusiast.

Anyone have some good resources for learning more about medieval infantry?

I just saw pic related and I think its a neat style of helmet but I don't really know where to go for looking more information about medieval stuff.

Also anyone have more cool pictures of people in sallets?

>>7324741
I'm assuming you want to know about the 1400s then?

>>7324752
If thats where I'll see more sallets then sure.

>>7324757
I can post hundreds if not thousands of pics about men wearing sallet. Although you have to wait as I'm going to sleep now but will post a few from work

>>7324706
Probably just the local renfaire. It's gimmicky but has relatively good costuming. I've invested too much time and money in Lolita to commit to SCA right now (and I've heard the local group sucks) but my long distance boyfriend is moving here this year - he had expressed interest in historical stuff and it will be easier to do that stuff with him than jfashion, and we plan to change cities when he's done school. So I'm thinking I'll keep my ambitions manageable and maybe ease into SCA or something.

Not east coast now, Midwest - but probably moving to a coast in a couple years.

>>7324806
Good to hear it has good costuming. I got so fed up with ours. Just doctor who's and cosplayers running around everywhere, chainmail bikini's and people who think if you pair a cheap polyester victorian "corset" with a peasant blouse you are oh so period! Even the cast was rife with glitzy colorful organza veils on their french hoods.

All my rage lol

Aww that is so sweet about your bf, I love the idea of you doing historical stuff together.

I know what you mean about balancing lolita with comitting to the sca. I'm wondering how I will go about doing it myself. It's these infernal /tg/ invaders making me realize I have a hunger for historical costuming, inquiry and living history type events.

Ah there goes my dream of a local historical costuming/lolita buddy.

Just curious, do you also sew lolita clothes?

>>7324853
Nice to know that /cgl/ loves to sperg out about historical accuracy too.

>>7324867
The historical dress talk is fun, even if I feel a bit left out. I mean I don't know if you guys know this about me, but when it comes to cute dudes, cute dudes in armour and dresses, I can be gay as fuck.

>>7324874
We know. Praise Slaanesh.

>>7324874

>>7324879
>>7324883
Praise be to the dark prince.

Oddly enough I only enjoy lust and gluttony in excess, hard drugs and alcohol never really did it for me.

>>7324867
atleast I do. Cosplayers and lolitas can be real sticklers.

>>7324874
aww well that's what you get when you bring /tg/ to /cgl/ Here's some Italian guy clothes

>>7324892
Am I being too vulgar? apologies, Ill try to better myself.

>>7324901
I just meant you end up with pretty pretty dress discussions in your thread.

>>7324904
Oh alright, I got worried for a second there. Yeah a while back before I started on my quest for live action nerdery, I had an RP character who was invited to a wedding, being that the character was female I only felt it right to pick out a dress. I spent a whole day looking through dresses.

I also swear I'm not that guy.

>>7324887
Same deal, cost aside the buzz is overrated compared to the drawbacks.

Wobbling about nauseatingly full of generally foul tasting booze, I'll pass.

A nice cut of meat in my sight and on my plate's is far more to my preference.

S'why LARP's so great, a fatty slice of spit-roast pork, a full goblet of mead, a good game of cards/dice and a fair barmaid skipping about, all accompanied by a roaring fire and lively tavern music.

Let the adventurers run about in the rain and muck.
Eat, drink and tell tall tales.

>>7324912
Oh my god look what i found, They are even wearing ze nun's helmet

>>7324904
So? There's a large portion of LARPers who do nothing but wear pretty dresses. Perfectly fine with me.

>>7324920
Aie! I don't mind drinking, at all, if the booze tastes good then Ill drink it, but if it tastes like piss then Ill be throwing it in the latrene where it belongs. I never understood the noisy modern parties, they aren't enjoyable, the loud music gives me a head ache and I can't hear anyone speaking to me.

>>7324921
Nuns are even better then normal pretty girls in pretty dresses because they are forbidden, also war nuns are best nuns.

>>7324940
Careful now feller. We agreed we'd keep the magical realm to /tg/, aye?

>>7324953
Right keep forgetting, Ill put on my public face then, whoops.

>>7324963
Don't forget the pants.

>>7324972
I actually wore those today, so you can't fault me on that.

>>7324924
just some teasing banter, I guess the tone wasn't clear

>>7324630
Got any more, and perhaps more detailed cloak patterns? Terrible as it may be, I always thought that the cloaks in the Lord of the Rings movies looked amazing.... Got any patterns for cloaks like that?

Hey guys! Sorry, I had a bit of a family emergency.

>>7324637
Thats the theory

>>7324638
Well, I feel silly.

>>7324639
Half circle or rectangle, roughly 1.5 to 3 inches in diameter, pendecular being favoured.

>>7324644
I'll email my mother about it. Im waiting for her to get back with some links for an anon on medieval gown forums, so I don't think it will take long.

And you need to come to the Atlantian drunken backgammon champioships at Pennsic.

>>7324660
You're welcome.

>>7324706
Measure 30 times, cut once! And yes, cheap muslin is a godsend.

>>7324741
>>7324752
>>7324757
15th Century is best century. Pic related.

>>7324806
Well, best thing is to find out for yourself. If they are no good, go play with the neighboring SCA. I am sure you'll find good folks.

>>7324879
>>7324883
>>7324887
>>7324920
Praise Slaanesh! Hail the scented wind!

Don't forget, art, music, and anything in excess in general!

>>7324953
>>7324963
>>7324972
>>7324979
You're learning! YAY!

>>7325141
>I'll email my mother about it. Im waiting for her to get back with some links for an anon on medieval gown forums, so I don't think it will take long.
>And you need to come to the Atlantian drunken backgammon champioships at Pennsic.

Same anon. I see why you guys use trips. Drunken backgammon championships eh?

>>7325093
the most convenient method would probably be to use a commercial pattern such as simplicity 5794 or 1771.

http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~lwittie/sca/garb/
multiple cloak patterns on this page

http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/Things/FCloak/FCloak_pattern.htm
and this is a tutorial specifically for a fellowship style cloak.

I won't vouch for how accurate to any particular time period these are, I haven't researched cloaks that much. They are a relatively simple beast though.

>>7325160
Around 12 years ago, the founding Baroness, the now current baroness, and my mother started making a tradition of drinking an playing backgammon. None of these ladies are particularly big drinkers, and in fact my mother only ever has any in quantity for these games, and Christmas.

This means my mom, and the rest of these ladies, are absolute lightweight lushes, and get giggly as hell when they get shnockered.

My mother is one hell of a backgammon player. At Pennsic war, she'll play backgammon and make enough money to buy nearly anything she wants at the merchant district. Even when drunk, she is one of the best players you'll ever meet.

Well, word of this got around. Other baronies started sending their best players, with wagers of prizes and offers of services, rather than just money. Big ticket things, like new helmets for loaner gear, or a dozen yards of silk brocade, or even indentured kitchen cleaners for the entirety of the war.

Rules were made, and my mother produced a prize she won years ago as official icons of the game: Matching alabaster goblets, to match her alabaster backgammon set. These goblets became the official measure of the alcohol to be consumed, and an icon of the games to come.

Also, its funny as shit to see these ladies get tipsy.

Pic related

>>7325212
Sounds hilarious. I'm not sure I'd want to try against your mother, I consider myself a pretty good player, but I also am a lightweight and my skills take a downturn when I get sloshed.

Lovely Goblets

>>7325226
Other highlights include:

*sheep rugby: full contact rugby with a life-sized stuffed sheep. You don't need the WHOLE sheep to score a point, just most of it.

*fighter-chess: like chess boxing, but with armoured baton combat in between rounds rather than boxing.

*Druken bardic wrestling. Yeah. Exactly what it sounds like.

>>7325273
>*Druken bardic wrestling. Yeah. Exactly what it sounds like.
Harold Druken beating the shit out of a dude with a lute?

>>7325292
Almost. You have to perform a poem, song, story etc, while wrestling, and being heard over the opponent. Points are given for remaining in tune/key, being heard more clearly than your opponent, using your opponent as a prop, and integrating the fight into the FX of the composition. IE "And DOWN he was driven into the earth, cast from the tower high!" (done as a full takedown is performed).

Points are deducted for losing your place, vomiting, and having your composition interrupted.

Wrestling in folkstyle rules.

>>7325212
Your mom sounds amazing

>>7325141
I have no car so "neighboring" is difficult right now. Another thing that will change when the man is cohabitating I think.

There was this one time I got really excited because I was walking past a church in my neighborhood and they had a sign on the door about the "SCA meeting". (Unitarian church so it seemed plausible enough.) I basically ran home to google it, planning dresses in my head all the way, thinking if the meetings are a couple blocks from my apartment I'll just find a way to make the time... only to learn that it was Sexual Compulsives Anonymous.

>>7324853
Oh there's plenty of chainmail bikinis, cheap goths, and, increasingly, frat bros wearing burlap "togas" and duct-tape covered Teva sandals amongst the patrons. But the cast does pretty well balancing accuracuy with some theatrical concessions, pic related.

I do sew Lolita clothes. I'm trying to avoid outing myself because I usually just lurk, but if some of the more dramatic elements of my local comm realize that, they'll assume I post too. Hmm... I also make accessories and there's a post that has images of them on the board right now... if that's not being annoyingly coy. (I promise I didn't selfpost it though.)

>>7325141
what goes with a sallet if you're going for period armor? Chainmail, plate, all of the above?

Also any recommendations on where to get a sallet (preferably one thats all one piece) Kult of Athena has one but its deepeeka and they can be hit or miss when it comes to their historical accuracy.

>>7325298
I was hoping it was like that! This I got to see

btw I hope your family emergency is resolved and okay now whatever it is.

Is scatting a viable strategy? The thought of some dude going "skee ba bop baba doo bop" while holding an armbar sounds hilarious.
>>7325307
On that note, is it just /cgl/ or is the entire Lolita community chock-full of drama? Looked around earlier and a lot of threads were essentially witch hunts.
>>7325319
Generally it fits almost everything from that era (sallets were ubiquitous), though the iconic combination would be a Schaller and gothic plate.

>>7325303
She signed my waivers, made my armour, and let me go partying with the guys without worrying. She rocks.

>>7325307
Forgive me for laughing.

>>7325319
Lots of stuff, but the 15thC has a lot of variation,

To go simple, and build up your kit, I suggest a padded gambeson to start. Helm + gambesson+ jackchains, is the standard that all infantry started from in the 15thC, and would add/replace from there. Pick related.

>>7325322
Grandpa is just getting old, and starting to forget stuff. I am one of his anchors. Alzhimers patients tend to have one or two people who "anchor" them to the here and now.

>>7325324
Scat-singing isn't period.

Yes, the j-fashion community is full of drama.

>>7325298
That sounds amazing

>>7325333
Ah, yes, I should have thought of that. What about throat-singing? That definitely has historical precedent, even in Europe.

>>7325307
Lol the SCA story was hilarious.

Haha! If I deduce correctly I met you at Frill. I was on a panel with you and work a dress with a green bodice
>wink wink

I also pretty much lurk here, but the allure of historical discussion is to strong.

>>7325319
Also, I love KoA. Link the helm, and i'll tell you if its good.

Pic is me in my 15thC, stripped down for practice. My helm and gaunts are not pictured, but when needed, I add a maille skirt, brigandine chest harness, and pauldrons

>>7325341
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH3822&name=Gothic+Sallet

>>7325337
You have no clue.

>>7325339
Yup, and we got a guy who does 12thC mongolian, who has a proper mongolian wrestling outfit AND throat-sings!

More shameless selfposting.

>>7325346
That is pretty spot on for German 1530's-60's.

ACTION PIC: Please forgive that the strap of my placard got torn, and it started sliding down. It was a nasty, close-in dagger fight with a lot of grappling.

>>7325359
I'm not even finished with my 1st century AD Roman kit and now I'm thinking of starting a second.

My wallet may not surive

>>7325333
>Grandpa is just getting old, and starting to forget stuff. I am one of his anchors. Alzhimers patients tend to have one or two people who "anchor" them to the here and now.
That is so sweet and generous. Doesn't sound like an easy thing to do. I don't want to derail the thread too much though.

>>7325324
The lolita community has the tendency to drama and it's generally concentrated on /cgl/ but not all individual lolitas are like that.

>>7325361
bits and pieces. A gambeson here. A helm there....

15thC dump.

>>7325367
He's who taught me the circus arts, and he's saved my life more than once. I love my grandpa, and he's why I am back in VA.

>>7325372

>>7325372
>>7325376
D'ho! Turned my trip off on another board!

>>7325372
how does a sallet work for SCA combat?

I'm just reminded of a clip from a documentary I saw of a man in full plate jousting while wearing one and as the horse ran you could see a large gap opening between the helmet and gorget every four seconds

>I just don't want to get stabbed in the face

>>7325212
I have a goblet just like that!

>>7325383
Fun fact: The lance in this pic is hand carved to look like a lance, out of 4 inch diameter rattan. The explanation is that he is cavalry that lost his horse, and is using his lance as a spear.

>>7325389
Look at the helms. All of ours are required to lock, and have full face coverage, either by locking to the bevor, or having a bar grill.

If they are SCA legal, they are totally safe,

>>7325367
I didn't really assume the latter, but it seemed odd to me that it'd get hostile so often. I suppose that comes with the anonymity.

>>7325390
Pretty, no?

>>7325389
Mind you, even simple Celetas like the one here in y pic, are pricey. Notice though, how it will cover your whole face.

>>7325397
Next step up...

>>7325396
I think it also is because the "culture" is based on fashion which often goes hand in hand with ideas of standard beauty. Mix that with the fact that most of the clothing is rather expensive and sometimes scarce, plus of course the anonymity you have the potential for gale force drama

>>7325400
Eventually, you keep getting sexier and more expensive until you get to Ugo Serrano, and his $6000 pieces of art that are tanks.

And everything in between. There is no shame in starting with a generic spun dome, for cost reasons.

UNF

>>7325411

>>7325411
I got a boner from that, and I'm a lesbian.
On a more serious note, how can a beginner with a little stage broadsword experience get involved in the SCA's rapier stuff? Do I just show up and observe a practice?
Capcha: magnificent aliCHot

>>7325417
Look up the SCA rapier rules, and read up.

Contact the local group, and find/go to practice, wearing clothes that are suitable to fence in, and follow the rules. If you have a fencing jacket/spectra/maille and/or a threeweapon fencing mask and/or feminine protection, bring it. They will usually have loaner gear if needed."

Start learning!

Pic is me in my old fencing kit, with my fencing legal longsword. My 15thC kit if both rapier and armoured legal now.

Salletfag here, still looking for information on where to start with 15th c reenactment, specifically clothing.

Pic related mentions a white linen peasant's tunic and my google fu is apparently not as strong as I'd like because I can't find any patterns for 15th century clothing.

Any suggestions?

I'm thinking of a picture of some larpers, I think from drachenfest both wearing sallets with black and yellow tabards

Anyone know what I'm thinking of?

>>7325427
Here is a pattern and description of a basic tunic. I've heard the patterns sold on this website are pretty good too

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/blog/your-first-garb-getting-started.html

>running out of historical paintings on my hd, so here is a romantic Victorian take on the middle ages

>>7325417
SCA groups generally have loaner gear you can use, and as far as I know will teach you, at least with heavy combat they do. Come, be accepted into the bosom that is SCA, I am new as well so yea.

>>7325427
KoA sells GDFB Hose pants, shoes and doublets which are very good, pretty accurate and I have several pairs of each. (pic of me in GDFB doublet and hose here >>7322325 ) They are also pretty cheap too.

Plain white cotton boxers make acceptable braes substitues.

Shirts, while simple, are hard to find accurate and cheap. I have my mom make me ones in the Della Francesca style. A simple 15thC shirt should not be hard to find.

>>7325436
Also a bit of an update on my SCA jazz, I have confirmed that I am going to an event, they are gonna have heavy combat, fencing and A&S stuff, they were going to have a feast too but apparently didn't have enough people going to justify it.

Apparently the King and Queen of Ealdormere are going, not sure if I should feel indifferent, excited or what.

>>7325448
Links to the goods. Keep in mind, the pants for some reason don't show the points. They are all designed like the picture included, and need a doublet or pourpoint to hold up.

Also, GDFB is still learning the proper period names, and has some funny names for stuff. Trust me when I post it with a different name from what the product is listed as.

15thC hose pants
Brown:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB3154&name=Brown+Wool+Pants

Black
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB0248&name=Black+Wool+Pants

White/natural
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB3134&name=Natural+Wool+Pants

(con't)

>>7325340
You have deduced correctly, hello friend! Now I am imagining all the pretty historical gowns you will make!

Threads like this are what had me lurking on here at all - I don't have so much free time to waste on insecure rantings and faux intrigue from people who are probably a lot nicer when they aren't anon, but I could stare at fancy cosplays and fashion porn all day.

I can't find any good images of the middle class guild at my local faire, which I think is more indicative of the costuming quality (since they are trying to do more living history angle and not piling on flashy trim) so here's more court people. Guy on the left is usually Dudley. He's not so much my physical "type" but I think it's possible I developed a crush on him because of this cape he had one time...

>>7325453
I dunno. They are probably nice folks, and usually the royal's attending mean that the feast, events and court go into overdrive to be cooler, but if they are canceling feast due to lack of interest...

I have just never heard of such a thing happening.

>>7325484
15th C Tops:

Simple doublet, Brown:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB0173&name=15th+C+Doublet+-+Brown

Simple Doublet, black:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB0168&name=15th+C+Doublet+-+Black

Fancy doublet, black. Removable sleeves. It also comes in grey and burgundy, but they are sold out
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB3321&name=Vest+Coat+-+Black

Navy blue wool pourpoint. Basically just a vest for holding your hose up, for some reason KoA dosn't carry them, but Therion (a long time SCAer himself) always does. I use this as my work clothes. You can also find it in black, but most other sites charge 40% more.
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1153.html

>>7325507
Well it isn't lack of interest in the feast itself, it is more that they don't have enough people who confirmed they are going to the event, so they think that if they had a feast they wouldn't be able to break even.

>>7325495
Yay, Hello!

>>7325495
>Threads like this are what had me lurking on here at all - I don't have so much free time to waste on insecure rantings and faux intrigue from people who are probably a lot nicer when they aren't anon, but I could stare at fancy cosplays and fashion porn all day.
I know exactly what you mean.

They look pretty good for a renn cast. Flashy, but atleast the fabric patterns are fairly accurate. Nice cloaks (or coats) can be dashing and effecting...

>pic is the middle class cast of local renn faire

If I work on any more I'll have to make sure to post them to tumblr (since you follow me already and vise versa), I hope you'll do the same with whatever you are working on.

The two I've completed are posted on my tumblr in October (if that is interesting?)

>>7325532
Renn fairs? I man gotta love them, next time I go to one, totally dressing as a pirate.

>>7325513
Exactly. I never have heard of an event that didnt have enough prereg to make it happen.

>>7325538
I have a personal bias against Rennfairs, though I have organized SCA demo's in the past for them.

I won't rant, but lets just leave it at this: Rennfair Gypsies.

>>7325548
>I won't rant, but lets just leave it at this: Rennfair Gypsies

Sounds like an interesting story.

I'd listen to that rant gropey-san

>>7325538
>Renn fairs? I man gotta love them
not sure about that..

>>7325548
>I won't rant, but lets just leave it at this: Rennfair Gypsies.
The worst

>>7325548
Well, heck if I know what is going on.

>>7325548
>>7325562
I was being a sarcastic prick

>>7325555
I am ethnically Rom. My first language was Romani. I have gone on Kompania through a chunk of Europe with my family.

Rennfair Gypsies are black face, essentially.

Some quick facts:
*Yes, we read
*No, we are not magical
*No, we are not all thieves
*Yes, performing and circus arts is traditional, but no, its not to scam you.|
*Gypsys are to Rom, as niggers are to black people: the lowest subculture that gives our people a bad rap and glorifies crime and ignorance.
*YES THEY WORE SHOES YOU RETARDS, THEY WERE A NOMADIC PEOPLE.
*Cobbling and metal work were their primary trades, aside from expert horse care.

>>7325580
It should be worth mentioning that I regularly teach a history and culture of the Rom in Medieval Europe as both a class in the SCA and even as a guest lecture for a few university courses, so I don't just complain without trying to fix things.

>>7325595
I bet there would even be people who get angry at you for 'comparing the strife of Romanians to that of black people', like racism is less offensive to you then it is to them.

>>7325580
I dunno gropey, you seemed pretty magical even before I knew you were Rom

>>7325601
Not Romanians. Romani or Rom. Totally different people. The Rom are decedents of the Dom people of northern India.

>>7325604
Well, my grandmother, and her mother before her ARE Babas and I do carry a buch of good luck charms, but that just means I am superstitious.

>>7325615
My bad, regardless my statement still stands.

Glad you know your past, I am one of those North Americans who has no idea where their ancestors are from.

>>7325615
>Gropey confirmed for magic
I am sorry. Please don't curse me :(

>>7325622
I don't got a problem with racism, just don't claim its historical.

Or when I headbutt your nose through your pallet.

BACK TO THE 15th CENTURY.

>>7325642

>>7325642

>>7325643

>>7325650

>>7325647
All my pictures are orcy, except this one.

>>7325532
Yes very interesting! I love the green gown but also how you did the hair. I'll post what I'm working on soon - gotta get some Lolita stuff done first I think.

>>7325548
I've known a couple people who've been cast at faire and as cool as they are, the stories they've told me kept me from getting more involved than a dressup-patron. (But the local SCA stories I've heard are worse than the local faire stories. So I guess it's so bad here that it's backwards.)

Anyway, spending the rest of my evening hiding under 3 blankets and lusting after crazy Swabian sleeves.

>>7325653

>>7325663
The problem with the SCA stories, is that the SCA has over 36,000 paying members, not counting the fact that we have lots of people who are in a lull because of the economy.

I'll be the first to say, we're not the best. We're the biggest. Lets say all medieval groups have 8% of their members be douchbags. Bob's renfest has 100 members. That is 8 douchbags. The local SCA barony has 1000 members.... That is more douches.

But ALL renfairs have "gypsies"....

>>7325580
This is >>7325663 again but since you mentioned blackface... aside from all the crap stories I've heard about my local SCA, one time I decided to research for myself anyway, I was on a mailing list where some white lady was asking what kind of makeup she should use to darken her skin to make her middle eastern/north african (I forget which, it was years ago) persona more accurate. I kinda u-turned outta there at that point. (I've never seen evidence to suggest that sort of thing is usual in the SCA and I know people have personas that do and don't match their mundane ethnicities/backgrounds/whatever, don't worry.)

>>7325684
How far would it be to go to the next SCA canton or barony over? I mean, it was just one person after all but if you want to avoid that particular group because of it.

>>7325684
...I bet you $100 cash that the woman was not in her local SCA group long. The SCA is very inclusive, but paranoid about idiots getting us sued.

I have NEVER encountered anything like that, and I was raised in the SCA.

>>7325671
Yeah my distaste for SCA is limited to local SCA only. Everything I've heard is that it's small and spread too thin. I think maybe my local faire is actually a larger polling sample. I'm sure there are "gypsies" but I speed past any crappy belly dance so maybe that's why I haven't really noticed them as much.

I keep taking forever to reply cause I fall in various k-holes (knechtholes?) while looking for an image to attach.

Ok folks... This seems as good a time as any.

In order to help raise funds for Lost Stories & Dark tales, I am offering a little bit of Gropey handywork to anyone who cares to donate.

A donation of $10 will get you a hand stitched, natural tone buckskin purse, in a generic medieval kidney style, shipped to anywhere in the continental US. Not pictured, but included is a historically accurate two-lobed slashed buckle to close it, and i'll even throw in one of an assortment of woodblock prints on a piece of parchment to do as you like. 60% goes to LS&DT to get loaner gear and sundries for the game (the other 40% is shipping)

If you're interested, pleas email me, and I'll hook you up with my paypal address.

Pic related! No limit, as I have A TON of deer leather!

>>7325706
If I could ask you anything, it would be to try again with a neighboring group. Its a big and varied club, and you WILL find good people!

>>7325706
Also, k-holes, lol.

>>7325687
It's only difficult because I don't have a car and rely on public transportation right now. There are at least two chapters in the city where I live but events seem just spread out/far enough to be a hassle. I don't mean to sound complainy - I am totally satisfied to put off SCA participation until some things change (i.e., ldr boyfriend moves here, we get a car and I get a person to go to stuff with, we probably won't stay in this city anyway so the problem will solve itself regardless). Lolita sewing has me busy enough for now that I am happy to make an outfit or two and just wear it at Bristol before I dive into SCA.

Watch my bf will want to do Roman or something and we'll look really goofy in photos forever.

>>7325727
And by Roman I mean, you know, early period Roman. Sorry, I have overdosed on images, I want to make 12304131 things and have that many browser tabs open too and I need to go to bed.

>>7325727
>Watch my bf will want to do Roman or something and we'll look really goofy in photos forever.

Sounds like your boyfriend has good taste

>>7325733
>Well he's dating me isn't he hurrrr

>>7325727
>>7325732
Agree to disagree! In Modo Antiquo! In the 15-16thC, designing armour to look vaguely Roman and Greek was the height of fashion! Peturges, brass, gold, muscled armour!

Its my dream kit. I want to be a reenactor reenacting a reenactor reenacting!

another pic >>7325642

>>7325739
I DARE him to not want to join me in the one-true century after seeing these!

>>7325742
UNF

>>7325742
>>7325739
You wanted something medieval that looks vaguely ancient

So here is something ancient that looks vaguely medieval

>>7325773
Fun fact, during the first great gladiator rebellion, the Crupellarius armour was so damn effective, that the legions had to resort mattocks and axes to take them down.

>>7325783
Romans: doing everything awesome earlier.

>>7325788
Debatable.

Also: Pic for Sallet Bro. Toby Capwell is a hard son of a bitch.

Aah finally found the LARPthread.
Anyone have an idea on what sort of helmet/armoured skullcap might hide well underneath a deep cowl?

A Monk/Priest/Scholar sort of thing.

Our local game has a million "rogues" (common brigands with no sleight of hand nor subtlety) that thinks threats are a waste of time so just slit throats or "Sap" players on sight, so head and throat armour's pretty much essential if you don't wan't to turn around at every little noise like a twitchy crack-head.

Game's decent beyond that, and it's nice option to have, but... gets tedious.

>>7325842
It's a secret.

No really, a little metal skull cap called a secret.

>>7325842
http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0371&name=14th+Century+Secret+Helmet

http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB2970&name=Archer+Spangenhelm

Are there no guards or road wardens? Any form of law to protect and punish?

>>7325842
Also, WHO THE FUCK ATTACKS A PRIEST!? That should be very bad news, as the church should be very protective of its own.... Assault the Clergy? That's a paladin'in.

>>7325842
My buddy is looking for just the same thing.
He talks about something the scotsguard to the french king had. A sort of "cross-bar" helmet that they hid under their hats.
Anyone know of this?

>>7325846
Oh neat, now I know what to look for a... "Cervelliere".

>>7325853
There's... 5-10 more or less trained, "guards" (only robbing in their off hour's) keeping the... tavern benches safe from... people the gate guards let in.

It set in a frontier setting next to a deep valley where outlaws, heretics and witches fled the kings justice decades ago and then settled, now the kingdoms looking to expand.

The only real "justice" is for people that insult the snotty noble sent to tame the lands and stay out of further disgrace.

>>7325855
Such is the danger of polytheistic setting.
There are paladins serving the Blazing Eye (of judgement) but all others are prone to summary conversions, purges or being killed by robbers at the gate while they Paladins are busy chanting and looking away (If your god is so great why doesn't' he have an army protecting you?).

We are being poor guests!
SOMEONE (cough) stole all the pancakes and we are NOT regaling /cgl with our stories!
Do not be afraid to tell old classics, surely they have not heard our tales before!

>>7325853
Hmm... That Archer Spangenhelm looks neat, would brass.. rims? be terribly a-historical?
Looks a neat place for some acid etching, and a good way to get a bit of contrast.

Hey guys and gals.
I found this:
http://www.pinterest.com/stevenyuko/landsknecht-patterns/

>>7325878
...You must be a shitty priest if they would rather rob you than take advantage of your skills and knowledge.

>>7325878
Its just another kind of skull cap, but rims are totally historical Pic related, guy on the right.

>>7325892
yeah...bandits sure could use someone to copy scripture...

>>7325899
Or read maps. Or do math. Or perform medicine.

What kind of shitty cleric are you?

>>7325892
Eh, rather an example of poor roleplaying.
Medical attention costs money and takes time, "respawning" is free and takes only slightly more time.

And it's actually not all the robber's faults, there are quite a few "stoic" players that just flat out refuse all threats and have no fear of character death, so generally it's spend 15 minutes threatening someone and then killing and robbing them, or spend no time threatening and just killing and robbing.

Classic downward spiral of giving a fuck.

>>7325906
So, instead of attempting to bring this problem to light and making the game less shitty, you'd rather spend money to encourage the rule-bending assholes?

Please explain your logic.

My suggestion to you, is to gather like minded individuals and discuss ways to fix this fun-ruining crap. Figure out a solution, and petition those in charge of the game. This is not realistic role playing, and doesn't sound fun.

>>7325912
It's been brought up repeatedly, the general result is a 30 second pre-game speech from the event coordinator and a private "most players are new and not *great* role-players such as yourself, so be patient with them".
(Really can't tell if he'd being ironic, honest or just agreeing to make me go away)

I live a fair bit away so can't personally attend their club meeting where all rule and plot resolutions are decided and announced, (their web master's severely dyslexic and works too much so updates are... rare end incomprehensible.)

Shitty communication, but beyond the few annoying flaws it's full of players with good intentions.

Looks like there's other games starting up around the area so there'll soon be some variety.
One's a more or less a historically set game of politics and stick-fighting. (Make demands, swing sticks until compliance)
The others a... "Not-GoT political Live board-game "(6 factions, looming threat at the borders ect, collect favour, wealth, military might, knowledge.)

>>7325924
>Make demands, swing sticks until compliance
...SCA?

>Not-GoT political Live board-game
I am so happy that the TV series has sparked a major interest in such games! People don't realize, having REASONS to bash that guy with an axe makes it so much more satisfying!

>>7325933
WelL

>>7325937
what?

>>7325933
>>7325940

Hit enter while still typing

>Make demands, swing sticks until compliance
>...SCA?

Well not sure, might be.

Rule-wise, it's pretty much the same as your system, convergent evolution and whatnot, 1 hit kills on un-armoured folks, leather's piss poor protection ect.

It' supposed to be a re-imagining of early Nordic middle ages, petty chieftains clashing to be kings, missionaries trying to gain foothold, families having small skirmishes over blood-debts, again political but the designers are pacifist political role-players and folks from the local steel-combat group.

So I at least expect political/religious pissing contests, gathering of allies, and then folks beating the snot out of each-other once one sides believe itself strong enough.

>>7325948
Also with special coloured armbands for players that want to really get stuck win with grappling and... "hard" combat.

>>7325953

Now THATis an interesting idea

What strategies do you use to
>recruit people to your faction?
>convert your friends to larp, the one true faith?

>>7325964
It is rather necessary some of out role-playing players can't physically take more than lightest touch, one will violently and painfully bruise for months.

>>7325968

Which is usualy handled by everyone judt following the same combat ruled. Buy i like the idea of having combat+ for those whose mothers allow them to be hardcore

Share more patterns plz?

>>7325974
It's like being back on /tg/.

>>7325434
can you give more details?

>>7325615
But on the other hand Romanians are gypsies. At least according to hungarian beliefs

>>7325974
some patterns I gathered, will update it in the near future
https://picasaweb.google.com/maillor101010/PatternsAndStuff

>>7325711

Email sent.

So Gropey, how is it going with the whole "upgrade larps in america" quest?
Heard you had a setting and rules and stuf now. Run any games yet?

>>7326310
I think he's about to run his first game.

>>7326310
>upgraded LARPs
>America

Never going to happen, the US is dickswordland incarnate. Every LARP system that isn't SCA or an actual reenactment club is based on dickswords. People want their classes, their levels, their spells, their cheap garb, their cheap weapons, and not being penalized for committing to the barest minimum. The few in the dicksword community that do actually give a shit are 9 out of 10 times people that do both SCA and a fantasy LARP.

>>7326335
hence why it's a QUEST

>>7326335
Sounds like you are either butthurt murrican of a yurofag with a stick too far up his ass.

>>7326335
Now, now, don't overdo it. There are a few good LARPs over the pond, and Gropey is trying to start his own.

Oh yeah, I remember Gropey's rules.
Hm...did he ever mention looking for drawfags?

>>7326376
Oh my, an acquaintance just finished bashing up this little wonder.

>>7326400
Got a picture of the back? Definitely looks pretty though.

>>7326400
niiice!
WAIT!
th-that filename!
Are you a scandinavian?

>>7326421
>>7326406
Yeah, forgot my namefaggotry, been tro... visiting some of the other boards.

>>7326421
We got quite a few Scandis in these threads, I'd think so, especially as the filename is either Danish or Norwegian.

>>7326426
Nice! Is it cored or pure foam?

Stuck alone at work, and no porn on my jump drive. I need pictures of maidens!

>>7326427
I think I'm the only norwegian. that's what I'm doing, I'm looking for other scandis
>>7326426
danish?

>>7326429
Says reinforced dome but not sure.
You can look up his other work and soem WIP pictures at FB "Adventurelrp"

He also just finished a Gorehowl replica.
>>7326431
Ja

>>7326432
kult.

>>7326432
"Reinforced dome" probably refers to whatever that white material in the shield boss is. I don't really like shield made purely out of foam, they're usually too soft and wobbly.
Still looks really fucking nice, even if a bit glossy.
>>7326435
>not "kvlt"
laughingvarg.jpg

>>7326439
But "kvlt" is not a word...

>>7326444
not unless it's Welch, only people I know that can live without vowels

>>7326444
"kvælt" is a word.
But it means something...quite different.

>>7326447
My god, when I studied in wales...
I heard so many insane, lovecraftian prayers to long forgotten space gods...
Welsh is a strange language.

>>7326444
>>7326447
It's a silly black metal term. It's "kult" but spelled with older latin script.

>>7326448
Well kult can also mean two things iirc. or is sekt used to avoid confusion?

>>7326455
I think a sekt is a schism or like a branch of a religion. but it can also mean cult.

anyways, for you anglos: "kult" means "cool".
As in "that's cool"
if you were to say "Anon is cool" it would be "Anon e kul"
(written in dialect, of course)

>>7326456
vær så snill, kompis...

>>7326458
And... kull is being raving mad.

>>7326462
in denmark?

>/tg field trip
You'll learn shit

>>7326456
Just to elaborate on that, as that might actually be of interest to you guys: There was no U until the late middle ages or so, where it developed to differentiate between the different types of V, which was used both as the modern V and U.

Same with J, which emerged around the 15th century to mark the difference between /i/ and /dj/.

>>7326472
I'm sure if I payed more attention to the dresses then just the pictures, I would learn about them, and we don't see that shit in /tg/

>>7326503
>Fine, Steve, your character can be the little girl, just shut up already!

>>7326503
Floki? Is that you?

>>7326510
Shit, i don't know, man.

>>7326522
Now I wouldn't be surprised if that was the actor LARPing

>>7325663
Thank you! I really like how the hair turned out as well, wish I could find some documentation that supports it!

I'll probably not work on any new gowns for a while, I also have tons of lolita stuff to work on. I'll post some photos of the planned blackwork backgammon board when I get to it.

I really like the German stuff but my practical minds suggests I should fix my chemise and make another, gamurra (dress) to match my giornea.

>>7325933
So Sir the Clown, in the previous thread I saw you mention to the other historically inclined lolita that she should stick to natural fabrics. I was wondering what your reasoning for this is. I've heard several, the main one being comfort, in that natural fibers breath better.

The other argument is that non-natural fibers are not historically accurate, although this causes problems with using cotton as there is strong doubt about it being used in Europe for fabric in the middle ages/renaissance as they didn't have the right techniques to make the fibers strong enough to use for substantial weaving.

The large problem I see is that it leaves silk, linen, and wool as available fabrics to work with; and say finding an accurate patterned brocade made of one of these fibers is difficult/impossible/ridiculously expensive. Or another problem is say finding a light weight enough linen to make the near translucent chemises/shirts/shifts.

I currently subscribe to the school of thought that you should try to find an accurate material in the right fiber and if that is impossible or out of one's price range, to try to find a substitute that looks correct in a natural fiber if possible. ie: using cable ties to bone a corset as whale baleen is illegal.

>decided to use a name as it seems confusing without one. Also offering myself as a source for sewing advice. I've only been semi-casually studying historical clothing for 5 years, but have been sewing for over 10

>>7325663
I forgot to mention. Those sleeves are amazing! Looks like some sort of applique and embroidery with beadwork over it. Gasp!

>>7326557
I want to learn sewing but I dunno where to begin.
Should I just get some patterns and trial+error until I learn shit?

>>7326557
That is the reason I adopted a name, mostly so Hungarian, Gropey and Frenadian knew it was me they were talking too and not some random anon.

As for materials, in my view you should use natural, accurate materials if possible, but if for some reason(unable to find, lack of funds) you have to use something synthetic go for it as long as it doesn't look overly modern. For example, using cable ties would be fine to bone a corset since it wouldn't be visible, but if it were that would be a no no.

>>7326574
Getting patterns and trying things in cheap fabric (I love thriftstore sheets for testing patterns) is a good way to start.

In terms of sewing books, I can not recommend "Readers Digest Complete Guide to Sewing" too much. It covers how to read a pattern, how to cut out a pattern, how to alter a pattern, hand sewing stitches, ect. I mean it covers this stuff so well, not all of it is applicable to historical costuming though but in terms of learning the basics it's stellar. It also is illustrated rather then using photographs which is think makes things tons easier. You need to get the 1970's version if possible though, it has so much more practical stuff and less dumb patterns.

The Readers digest completed guide to needle work is also good with a small but helpful section on blackwork embroidery.

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-sewing-Readers-Digest-Association/dp/B00005VNW7/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1390591611&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=readers+digest+completed+guide+to+sewing

For learning the basics of specifically historical sewing I haven't read many books but I own "The Tudor Tailor" and I think it's decent. Good description of fabrics and dye colors of the era. Explanations of sewing techniques particular to historical sewing and some relatively good patterns that can be tweaked for areas other then English.

>>7326588
>Readers Digest Complete Guide to Sewing
Great! Amazoning that shit right now!
I just gotta find someone that ships to the land of ice and snow...

>>7326598
Success!

So, since it started snowing here yesterday, has anyone actually attended a con in winter?
I'd imagine that it'd be pretty interesting, especially regarding choice of garb.

>>7326557
So when I said I have a bit of a "historical clothes fabric stash" it's because I was obsessively haunting ebay and checking the bargain table at every fabric store because that's what the costumers whose blogs I was reading were doing. I'd have to figure out the keywords again but there were some upholstery fabric companies doing some reasonably period brocades in the 80s and I found some cheap on auctions (cause it's out of style for home decor) and most of what I found was either 100% silk or a blend with enough natural fibers to look decent and maybe not be a sweatbox. (I remember setting a lot of swatches on fire.) Here's some of what I have - I seem to recall getting something like 6 yards of the stuff on the left for under $50. I don't have much of the stuff on the right (and I think it cost more per yard) but I fell in love with the pattern and I think I can get sleeves out of it.

>>7326660
And I think I got both these at a Joanns or Hancocks or something. The stuff on the left is a shot silk and it's a weird color (black in one direction, gold in the other, end result is a weird sad grey) and the stuff on the right is silk with tiny black beads and was on clearance. It reminds me of some tudor undersleeves. I think I was saving these for Elizabethan and the brocades for Italian.

>>7326671
Forgot the picture.

Also I asked the bf what his potential interests would be for future SCA (fighting vs. general dressup) and he seems very flexible ("sure I like Rome but I could match you if you want"). He said "fighty armor when I was around the SCA seemed like stuff that was just ad hoc for fighting" - but at least some people try to make stuff that works and also looks good, right?

>>7326656
If you mean animecon then yes but there were no snow. If you mean larp then yes and even ones with snow.
But I brought the same gear to the summer con as to the winter

>>7326705
"Con" refers to a single instance of a larp in the Lands of Eternal Sin and Shame.

>>7326715
germans tend to call larps con too sometimes. Or festivals. Hence Drachenfest and ConQuest

>>7325987
Yes, but Slavic beliefs are not known for thinking highly of their neighbors.

>>7326305
Responded!

>>7326310
>>7326323
Its going damn good. I already ran two small test games, one of which I have a video we're editing for a teaser.

>>7326335
Well, considering half of my currently 40 local players are also SCA, with many having been stationed in Europe, and the rest are like-minded people from /tg/ and /cgl/... I think we're doing pretty good. We have FX and dress codes, and so far people like it and are complying.

>>7326376
If you can do woodblock style prints.

>>7326456
VARG IST KRIEG.

>>7326509
>No Steve, "sassy" is not a character stat.

>>7326557
No cotton? You might want to tell that to the Chinese, middle east and Africans... Who all traded in quantity with the Greeks, later the Romans and later the Euros.

Quote
>Cotton was a common fabric during the Middle Ages, and was hand-woven on a loom. Cotton manufacture was introduced to Europe during the Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula and Sicily. The knowledge of cotton weaving was spread to northern Italy in the 12th century, when Sicily was conquered by the Normans, and consequently to the rest of Europe. The spinning wheel, introduced to Europe circa 1350, improved the speed of cotton spinning.

The 4th Duke of Orange was allergic to linen, and had all his underwear made of cotton. Muslin is cotton. Egyptian cotton is still considered a minor luxury fabric today.

Just remember, silk wasn't European either, and they had a lot of that too.

Woodblock print related. Many texts refer to cotton as "wool flower".

>>7326721
Well, yeah, that's what I was referring to. Too subtle?

>>7326723
>Damn it Brother Joseph! I don't mean litteral fucking sheep flowers!

>>7326723
>Yes, but Slavic beliefs are not known for thinking highly of their neighbors.
joke is on you, Hungarians aren't slavs. (although we do hate most of our neighbors... but the feeling is mutual)

>>7326725
What I tried to say (but failed because I didn't started my caffeine stream) is that I only heard it things like this there. Nowere else so far

>>7326723
So how about it? need any drawfaging for the rulebook?

>>7326739
No, no, what I am saying is that Germany = The Lands of Eternal Sin and Shame.
Magyars, you're drunk, go home.

>>7326752
Goddamnit, I forgot that we're on /cgl/.

>>7326723
aw sheepy plant so kawaiiiii

>>7326745
Well, we've been using historic woodcuts and such, as I really want to keep the costs down if we print a hardcopy rulebook. I just wouldn't want to have to worry about the legal hooha.

>>7326755
Kawai desu baaa.

>>7326766
>implying I'd get paid
>implying I care about legal hooha
Man, as long as I get to put a coffee-cup in some corner I would draw you a few things.

>>7326752
alright you got me. Why is it called like that?

>>7326775
Hint: It has to do with something that happened ~70 years ago and how the public generally deals with it.

>>7326752
Just remember, at least when your country committed atrocities against an entire race, they were at least dressed by Hugo Boss.

When my country committed atrocities against an entire race, they were wearing Woolworth's cowboy hats.

>>7326772
Well, care to show me what you can do?

>>7326777
quantum theory?

>>7326781
^link up there
It's not much.
But you know what they say about gift horses!
check the teeth, cus you cant trust that guy.

>>7326723
Interesting that contrasts what I've read about it. Quoting "The Tudor Tailor" as it's what I have on hand right now

>"Cotton thread was used as a weft only in such fabrics as fustian. Pure cotton fabric, woven in the east and known as calicoes, were reaching England by the end of the the period (English Renaissance) but were vastly outnumbered by linen and hemp fabrics. Cotton spinning technology in Europe was primitive; the thread was not strong enough to serve as a warp, which precluded pure cotton fabrics from being manufactured closer to home. Raw cotton fiber had been imported from at least the 13th century and was used for stuffing clothing, padded armor, and bedding."

I've also heard that the word cotton was also used for a type of narrow wool with a raised nap (a technique allegedly called cottoning).

Annoyingly enough the book doesn't have a citation for this particular bit of trivia.

If both what you quote and what I've heard is true it's likely cotton was available but perhaps needed to be imported.

I love you posted that woodcut, I was thinking of posting it myself. Here is another. I love John Mandeville's quote about the alleged sheep plant called cotton
>"There grew there India a wonderful tree which bore tiny lambs on the endes of its branches. These branches were so pliable that they bent down to allow the lambs to feed when they are hungrie"

>>7326660
That is good to know. I have to admit to being a bit of a pinch-penny when it comes to buying fabrics.
The brown brocade is gorgeous, are those lions I spy!

>>7326614
Cheers! I hope you find it helpful

>>7326581
Exactly my thought when I was typing " the other historically inclined lolita" I realize that it was going to get real confusing real quick.

>>7326796
Additionally the real pitfalls of historical research in general. We weren't there, so theories can be rather contradictory sometimes.

>>7326801
Well that is one of the great parts about it, there is so much we don't know about it that there is always something new to learn.

>>7326821
good point, it is part of the excitement involved with historical research particularly hands on research.

>>7326796
I have a copy of the Tudor Tailor too, and if I recall correctly, they also state that pastels are not period. Pic related.

Now there is the aspect of them strictly referring to ENGLISH fabrics, as cotton was imported as gifts on the same caliber as silk. It is the TUDOR tailor, after all.

>>7326801
>>7326821
>>7326835
Yes, well, considering that the Italians, Indians, Various middle eastern and Persian peoples, and various African peoples loved cotton, you'd think it would be common sense.

>>7326781
Glad to know that you aren't too anal about it despite the Roma being targeted as well, Gropes.
>>7326796
>>7326581
Honestly, unless you have a really specific topic, you mostly won't need to namefag. I usually drop the name as soon as I think it's not necessary for discussion. I can see where you're coming from though, it could get somewhat confusing.
>>7326844
Shouldn't cotton be fairly rare in Europe after the trade with the eastern Mediterranian died down?

>>7326844
It's a good point about it being specific to England. I tend to get kinda narrowly focused since in my experience a lot of the easily accessible information on the web is geared more towards the English styles.

Hey I'm not disappointed that cotton is period, makes things easier.

I can't seem to find that in the book (earlier edition?), but it should be obvious that pastels are period. Both due to paintings showing that they exist and the quite obvious observation that if you leave fabric in a dye tub for a shorter amount of time you get pastels!

So hum...this thread is still alive

i wish i had new pictures to post...hopefully the new season will begin in february...or march

pic kinda unrelated : pictured here, somebody getting stabbed

>>7326860
admittedly I am a lurker who just decided to start posting in these threads. I certainly don't mean to be obnoxious.

>>7326875
No, no, not at all. The namefagging does make it easier to identify certain people and I don't think anyone has a problem with keeping it on indefinitely like the others do (unless you have multiple people of that name, which is why I don't go by "german LARPfag anymore").
Just my personal philosophy, as I usually drop the name if it's convenient and so far it didn't deter discussion.

>>7326890
I would do it too, if anonymity wasn't so safe and secure.

>>7326795
Thank you for the kind offer, but it is not quite the art direction I want to go. I do love your art in the threads though!

>>7326860
Meh. Past mistakes. Besides, it gave a great family story out of it, considering Great Grandpa Iandoska fell in love and eloped with the beautiful daughter of an Italian general who happened to think he looked very good in a brown shirt...

>Shouldn't cotton be fairly rare in Europe after the trade with the eastern Mediterranian died down?

By the 13thC, they grew it in Spain, Southern Italy, Greece and Southern France. Never as much as linen though.

>>7326871
Hell, i've read a book that said metalics are not period.... Two pages before a picture of brass-and-gold silk (which has a natural metalic sheen to it). The there is brass thread, cloth of gold....

>>7326871
>>7326844
So I was looking for this cool graphic I saw once where someone had swatched a bunch of garment colors from period paintings and found this instead:

>Cotton had been in production since antiquity, but its import and manufacture was prohibited in Elizabethan England in order to protect the wool industry, one of England's chief exports.

So maybe that explains that!
http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~cfinlay/sumptuary.html

>>7326910
...is she parrying with the edge? While her hands rest on it?

>>7326901
hm. What if I draw it as a woodcut or etching?
I've been wanting to learn how to replicate he woodcut look on paper

>>7326920
She's holding a pickhammer...

>>7326952
That explains my confusion why it looked so odd. Cheers!

>>7326919
>>7326925
>>7326928
Now THIS is good larp kit!

>>7326934
Ok, that outfit is kinda adorable.

>>7326951
Lets see what you got!

>>7326966
Challenge accepted!

gimme a day or two.

>>7326912
I gave up on looking for the graphic. I'm thinking maybe it was Italian not Elizabethan and it's something else missing from the old Festive Attyre site.

>>7326871
Realm of Venus is a good online resource for Italian styles I think. I'm still trying to find a good basic site to help me with German - all the stuff I was using before is dead since it was a million years ago.

Also I want this doublet. I can wear that with Lolita right?

Oh hello autosage. And senpai didn't notice my brilliant cotton research discovery.

So, next thread on /tg/ again?

>>7326525

I think Gustav Skarsgard might have scheduling issues with that, but it'd be awesome if he did.

>chose to accept the Floki role in Vikings just to steal garb for events

>>7327017
I noticed, it's an interesting addition to the conversation

I really do think a doublet could work with lolita. Or do a doublet inspired dress.

>>7327018
I love this thread and I'm really irritated at stupid lolita drama on here right now so I will so happily follow y'all over there and lurk. (I promise I won't complain if you guys get all salty and crass either. Home turf or whatever.)

>>7327102
It's less about being rude and more of the threads drifting into what we call "magical realm" territory.

>>7327018
Oh, I just noticed, there's already one up.
>>>/tg/29751444

>>7327121
>>7327124
>>7327138
>>7327141
>>7327146
These are all very nice, but I think most people have left the thread by now. Care to post over on /tg/ (see >>7327117)?

>>7327150
fair nuffski

>>7327017
Forgive my ignorance, but who is senpai?

>>7327104
it's not really magical realm. That would assume THAT guyism. We are just who we are: nerds with dirty minds. And there is a reason why /tg/ is called /d/ light

>>7327162
You'll have to admit that we did drift into magical realm territory in the last few threads.

>>7327166
nope. Only if you use the REALLY vague meaning of the term. It's kind of overused I think

>>7327157
It's referencing some meme on here, anime related

>>7327178
>that token discussion
I don't quite remember if you were there for that, but damn it, if that wasn't magical realm as fuck.

>>7327182
Can you guys explain what magical realm means? I'm lost

>>7327182
maybe it's just because I daily read /tg/ and have a higher level of "don't give a fuck"

>>7327184
it's a /tg/ meme. Let me explain it with one piucture from which it's originated

>>7327184
I don't know if posting the comic it references is appropriate so I'll just say it refers to injecting your fetishes into the game.

>>7327186
It's not about how weird the it was, I've seen way worse. But wanting to put it into a game is the very definition of magical realm.

>>7327193
probably you are right. But as I said in my personal opinion it wasn't that bad. I have a bad habit that I can see everything as a joke. Kind of enjoyed the Rape-Factory thread in /tG6 too, thought it was a really interesting idea from a certain point of view (and if you think about it, it's kind of hilarious if if a few top-hat english gentlemen discussing profit margins on the rape factory over a cup of tea)

>>7327200
Remember what we promised Gropey, please - we can continue this over in the thread on /tg/.

>>7327206
alright. to /tg/ then

>>7327157
Gropey is senpai, which is japanese for mentor/advanced student, often referncing a subtle romantic link between student and teacher.

I am building a Weapon atm.

Do not worry about the crossguard. I was dumb, it will be re-done.

I used plastazote for cushioning and have over 15mm on the edge. I did not even make a thin edge, it is still 10mm thick.

But, boy...this feels really bad. I ask myself if this is too rough. I mean I would not have a problem being hit with this. But can I really assume this is okay with everybody? It really feels hard..

>>7327329
Most of us are over at >>>/tg/29751444 now.
Standards regarding weapons vary wildly. There are larps that ban Calimacil due to it being too hard, as an example. Plastazote is foam rubber, right? Then it should be at the same stiffness as the former, which'd mean it's okay at most cons.

thanks =)

>>7327340
>>7327353
That is assuming that you're in Europe, obviously. The US a completely different can of worms.

>>7324785

That's my friend! Where'd you get the photo from?

>>7329002
he posted it on 4chan... or it was you

>>7329009
Sounds like him, I'm not particularly worried. Just kinda interesting seeing something like that pop up.

>>7326966
It better be, Most of that stuff is made by some of the best larp/renactment seamstresses and armour merchants in England as promo shots for Empire.

>>7327340
That thread's gone already - will there be another there, or here?

>>7329190

Presumably there, once people come back from drinking and realize the LARP thread autosaged itself to death.

>>7329190
it will be on /tg/ we have larpthreads every week on average but usually more than one. Then sometimes there is a little break

In case anyoneÄs still here, which I doubt:
>>>/tg/29824249