/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>7282815
>mfw this used to be a fashionable game for centuries called "living portrait"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableau_vivant

Some do it better

>>7282859
No Christian martyr works it harder.

>>7282864
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>>7282815
If someone pull off this I down her my hat

>>7284392
I read this as "I down her in my hat," as in go down on her, as in you want to eat out the mother of God.

>>7282815
Why does she have thread stuck to her face?

>>7284550
IT'S A VEIL DESU

its not kawaii

>>7282859
>flat chest titty plate
What is this I don't even

>>7284470
I don't know if such a heresy deserve fire or drowning

Please, someone do Messalina. She'd be an amazing figure to cosplay as. At least that way when you're inevitably called a slut for cosplaying, you can say you are cosplaying a slut.

>>7287891
It looks fine.

>>7289087
>Doing Messalina
>Not Cleopatre
You have absolutely no taste

>>7282827
They were cosplaying before it was cool.

>historical cosplay
You get the meaning across, but it's not cosplay.

>>7287891
Well...She's generally portrayed with a flat(ter) breastplate which is historically legit as armor was primarily made for men. It's a modern thing to make breastplates that are super titty-tastic allowing for each breast to be defined, lifted, and perhaps enlightened.

>>7287891
>>7292671
Also, boob plate armor will kill the wearer.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you

>>7292884
Boob plates never existed because in a lawless battle field this would be seen as screaming "rape me"

Boobplate also didn't exist because you can easily fit a pair of boobs inside a regular breastplate.

>>7292884
Except I remeber having seen a real boobplate somewhere, but it was probably for ceremonies

>2014
>Not joining a traditional dance club
Here you get an excuse to dress at mayor's expense

>>7301357
I get to travel the world at the government's expense (helps that no one knows where my country is so we often go to "promote" our culture in other countries round the world), free clothes and accordion lessons
step up, senpai

>>7301388
You are Macedonian?

>>7301357
So which one of those dorky instrument girls on the right are you, eh anon?

>>7301798
I'm eager to hear the answer
>inb4 the one with guitar

>>7301727
Southern Serbian.

>>7303621
You mean from this so-called new country or from actual mainland Serbia?

>>7303896
My gf

I have small boobs, a tiny waist, and big hips and thighs. Who could I be?

>>7303898
B-But, Anon, I like girls.. I want to be someone's pretty princess.

Hey hey folks.

Historic costuming! Yay!

Also, "boob plate" is retarded, and even male musculata didn't have enough of a cleft to channel a point of impact.


Actual female western martial artists wear the same style of glancing surfaces as a male combatant would.

>>7303907
FUCK

>>7303910

So who's working on any projects or has some new stuff to show off?

I just got a late christmas gift from my mother, of a new hand-sewn Burgundian arming coat for my harness.

I also got a new burgundy colored wool doublet, and im getting ready to make some new leather slash-and-puff plunderhosen.

>>7303932
And for comparison, here is me in my now-dead arming coat in the background.

I'd like to do a Singer-Sargent painting kind of thing some time, actually. That'd be neat. Like Isabella Gardner.

>>7303932
Your cat is cute, Gropey :3

>>7303932
That's beautiful

>>7304074
She's a pain in the ass and never shuts up, so I guess we belong together.


>>7304075
Wait until I get the points and lacing attached, and I can take a picture while wearing it!

>>7303940
You have nice calves. I dont know why I noticed this.

>>7303910
From 1485

>>7303891
Actual Serbia (Niš), Kosovo is a debate for another time and rarely anyone considers it a country here, quite understandably

>>7304105
Your fetish is showing.

>>7306972
>>7304105
People actually have a fetish for this?

>>7307159
I wouldn't say fetish, but I know I like a guy with nice shoulders and legs.

>2014
>not dressing up as Marie Antoinette

>>7307159
Did you not see the Law and Order episode with Neil Patrick Harris as a serial killer

>>7308025
I saw that episode. Fuck, so creepy...

>>7305908
Your point? She's wearing a fluted gothic breastplate.

>>7308016
>implying about dressing up like Marie Antoinette
>posting clothing almost a century later from her.

>>7308025
>>7308060
Should I be afraid?

>>7308088
Check your Other folder on Facebook, I linked you to the episode LOL

>>7308088
which is to say, it is a convex flute, not a concave channel.

German 16thC fashion is some of the hottest clothing any woman can wear.

Pic related.

>>7308101
Though Spanish courtly styles of the 16thC have some flair.

>>7308088
>implying about dressing up like Marie Antoinette
>posting clothing almost a century later from her.

The person in the photo is wearing a chemise a la reine, made popular by Marie Antoinette and her circle in the 1780s.

>>7308123
From behind, it looked like an English Sundress circa 1860ish.

You win.

>>7308109
Whats with the Roman danglely strips on her sleeves?

>>7308150
They are called pteruges, and while it is based on the style of clothing and armour worn by the Greeks and Romans, it is a fashion known as "In Modo Antiquo" or "In the model of the ancients" which flourished in the late 15th through mid 16th centuries..

Basically, it was a fashion that simulated the heroic age of antiquity, and was especially seen in Italy, where it influenced armour and fashion greatly.

>>7308185
Unf unf

>>7308101
I really want to do a German renn dress as my next historical project. Already did a Spanish and Florentine styled one! Those slashed sleeves and full skirts with guards! Gorgeous!

I gotta get involved in some group, I only ever wear my dresses to the goofy Renn Faire.

>>7308206

>>7308206
Find your local SCA or historic reenactment group.

I can't really sew and want to learn. When I get decent enough I will make this dress.
I love this pattern.

>>7308215
yeah I've been meaning too, I just keep putting it off. Probably due to shyness and insecurity about "keeping in character"

contributing with more amazing German dresses featuring decapitation.

>>7308233
Then will move on to making these dresses.

>>7308233
You want to know the ridiculous thing? Many simplicity patterns are actually modeled off a German Opera houses collection.... Which based all its clothes off historic originals because they would just copy clothes for patterns when they fell to pieces!

Pic related, my venetian coat is a simplicity pattern, I just made it from leather. I blocked out the face because I think I look horrid in this picture.

>>7308245
SCA dosn't do "characters". Its a medieval hobby and social club that also acts as a not-for-profit educational organization

>>7308256
yes! the marie antoinette simplicity pattern is surprisingly historically correct! (also the underwear pattern) if you compare the pattern pieces with patterns made from extant garments, they're almost identical! simplicity even includes the side slits in the overdress to get at your pockets, which are tied around the waist and super convenient for carrying stuff.

>>7308265
Like I said, most European theaters in general would just replicate a piece of clothing in the wardrobe department, without thinking anything more than "Oh, we need another 17thC set of slop pants! Good thing they traced the pattern a century and a half ago..."

Its a real boon to the historic community.

>>7308271
Oh, and one more shameless post: My new 15thC Doublet.

>>7295743
There is ceremonial pretty ballerina plate

>>7308256
That's good to know, they make it hard to tell with all the talk of titles and kingdoms. It's not that I object to role-playing. I love pen and paper games, I just feel like I would clam up in a larp type situation.

Nice coat. I'm surprised to hear that about simplicity patterns as I always got the impression they were rather terrible. But I guess that might be about the old old ones with the allegedly English renaissance gowns with princess seams.

One of my favorites, Eleonora of Toledo

Pfft. Salome is a total poser. Did you know she doesn't even chop off mens' heads herself?

>>7308290
Actually, only the helm is parade. Tonlet Armour (tonlet being the skirt) was designed as tournament armour, and this was probably used with blunted polearms/swords, wooden clubs and whale-baleen wasters.

Its pretty simple:
Kingdoms: Multi state groupings, for the purposes of club territory and war

Baronies/shires ect: Multi-city groupings for individual sub-groups, to manages funds and group activites easier.

King/queen: multi-state club presidents, as elected by yearly combat by one of the pair.

Baron(ess): Multi-city club president, elected by the populous.

Many people choose a period of interest, including clothing, camp equipment craft hobbies etc. Some people just wear whatever they like or is comfy at the time. We're a medieval history themed pleasure and craft club, that likes to mass thousands of people to beat the shit out of one another with batons!

>>7308295
The problem with simplicity paterns isn't the patterns, its the people who use them. Most have no sewing skills, and use shitty fabric.

Even my $50 a pop Reconstructing History patterns would look like shit if you can't sew a straight line and make it from metalic gold polyester and neon pink zebra print fleece.

>>7308283
You look quite dashing!

>>7308318
Thanks

>>7308307
Thank you again, I just contacted my local chatelaine for more info, very excited.

>>7308312
Oh yes a truer statement is rarely said. One of the things that really got me at the local renn faire, especially with the cast!

>>7308283
What a scandalously short doublet! (exactly the kind preached against by some of the men of the cloth at that time)

>>7308307
wow this is a flashback to my childhood. Shit.

>captcha:ayessab places

>>7308343
>Thank you again, I just contacted my local chatelaine for more info, very excited.

OOH! Which kingdom and barony?

>Oh yes a truer statement is rarely said. One of the things that really got me at the local renn faire, especially with the cast!

I refuse to do demos for rennfaires anymore, for several reasons.

>What a scandalously short doublet!
With my robust codpiece, skewed hat and tall boots? I am a shining example of 15thC Italian fashion, and the reason the clergy women to take cold baths!

>>7308348
Both my parents are SCA, so I was raised in it. Im guessing you were too?

>>7308360
>Gropey's robust codpiece

(o///o) oh my....

>>7308360
East Kingdom, Caer Adamant.

Love the jarring contrast of the cellphone selfies with the historical garb!

>>7308374
Indeed!

>>7308379
Im always so busy doing stuff that photos of me not fighting or at the forge are rare, and usually suck. But on another note, pic related

>>7308379
Oh yes, if you ever find yourself in Atlantia, or at any of the major wars, I am currently Champion of Tir Y Don, Atlantia and I am also Il Capitano of the Bridled Boar Condottieri.

>>7308360
Hey guys,

I'm going to do some blacksmithing and make some armor for a costume, but I may try and get into SCA in the future.

Do you know what would be a safe bet for gauge for metal for a helmet and armor? I've read 18 and 16 gauge, as minimum requirements.

I always liked historical costuming of more unusual fashion, like mourning. I remember seeing a recreation of an 18th century pastoral dress, like the type you see in those "rich ass aristocrats dressed as shepherdesses" paintings.

>>7308399
First off, if its for SCA, you need to learn the rules of the list for armour requirements

Secondly, unless you're working with a forge, you won't be smithing, but cold working. I will tell you now, it is an expensive hobby and you will fuck up. Since you are just learning, stick to 18 gauge mild, and try not to hurt yourself. It will be useless for anything but costume and larping, but its easy on the elbow and relatively inexpensive for when you do fuck up (and you will, a lot while you are learning.

My biggest suggestion is to get on the armour archive. It is the best thinktank of modern armourers and has a wealth of patterns, and people willing to give advice.

>>7305913
Ne mogu da verujem da jos neko iz Srbije posecuje /cgl.

>>7308428
Imamo tri Srbe i Hrvatskom o /tg/

>>7308439
I had no idea.

>>7308461
Three Hungarians (including Hungarian larpfag)
Three Serbians (including Serbian larpfag)
Two Bulgarians (You get the picture)
Croatian Larpfag
And Muffins, who is Czech.

Then we have the various West Euros, Americas and HinduAnon.

>>7308360
Yup. I spent many weekends as a 12 year old out camping with drunks with swords all bitching about whoever was in charge. Good times.

>>7308475
>drunks with swords all bitching about whoever was in charge

Sounds like you were in a shitty group, be being a kid doesn't give you much of a choice. You have my honest pity and I am sorry you had to deal with that.

If you ever feel the interest to try again, I tell people all the time, you are not tied to your local group. Go play with the neighboring groups that you "click" more with. I prefer groups that are more driven to teach classes, hone arts and expand the pageantry of our club, for example.

>>7282815
>With all these fat queens this shouldn't be too difficult

>>7308498
OPs pic was a pretty poor choice...

>>7308501

>>7308506

If ya'll are so inclined, i'll be happy to dump more later.

Are SCA/LARP events good places to meet hot bitches? y/n

>>7308532
Can you meet attractive and interesting women? Yes.

Will said women have brothers/friends or they themselves beat the shit out of you if you were to refer to them as hot bitches? Yes.

Keep in mind that one of the big attractions of such hobbies is a culture of courtesy and social interaction.

Just an FYI.

>>7308465
actually more than three hungarians go there and more than one croatians. They just don't do namefagging. Also I'm pretty sure there are others from eastern europe too,

>>7308555
im just listing who I am 100% on, I am sure there are others, but non come forward.

>>7308283
Im sorry to go OT and ask a personal question but what exactly is your ethnicity? You don't look 100% white and I cant guess what else.

>>7308579
He's part-white, part-clown. ALL MAN.

>>7308415
Yeeees this is my jam

>>7308396
I'll try to remember that! The wars sound like such a good time. I've heard of the Pennsic war but I'm generally rather ignorant (to be fixed asap).

I realize it's not that close to your group, but do you have any impressions of Caer Adamant?

You growing up with the SCA makes sense of the hand-sewn arming coat as a Christmas present from your Mom. Not a usual gift.

I'm tempted to show my Italian gown, but as a rule don't self-post on CGL, it's just been such a delight talking to someone with historical interests for a change!

>>7308550
I want to protect this smile. Is SCA for me?

>>7308579
Mostly Italian and Romani. We're not 100% sure what my dad is, as he was adopted, but we think Scottish. I favor my mother's side.

>>7309157
Here are my arms, btw. Not hard to find.

I have never been, and had to look up where the barony is. In general, the east tends to be a good bunch. Fight like pansies though.

My mother also makes all my, and all my father's maille. I used to wear a hauberk of flattened riveted stainless back in my youthful viking days.

And I know I would love to see your gown! Feel free to either email me or just blot your face in MSpaint, but I am sure you look fine

>>7309162
Well, aside that I highly doubt that is you, Your smile will be just fine, as we require complete head and facial protection via a closed face or bargrill. Understand you will still get some absolutely hideous bruises from time to time.

>>7308518
Please dump. Dump plenty.

>>7309216
Mens? Womans? historic art? photos? Instructionals?

Here is a little interesting piece: A selection of colors that would have been common throughout medieval europe, not counting tints, shades and color blends.

Its not all browns, folks!

>>7309252

>>7309266
FASHION!

>>7309283

>>7309211
Yeah I figured since it's not close to you. I'm glad to hear they are likely to be a good group.

I'm not sure what you mean by they are your arms? Like what you would wear? Excuse my confusion

>>7309297
That codpeice is rather frightful.

>>7309297
at least post the one that could be attached to a wineskin so your lady friends can drink from the... "bottle"

>>7309340
The SCA, in association with the College of Heralds, allow you to register a coat of arms that is unique and registered to you, and you alone as long as they meet 3 points of difference from any other registered arms, and follow the rules of heraldry, and modern laws.

Mine is really simple, but is uniquely mine and mine alone unless I choose to share it otherwise (like in the case of my mercs). It is an identifier for myself, my property my household etc.

Currently, I am not using my arms, as I won the position and title of champion for my local group, and thus I am a representative of them. Pic related.

>>7309375
Well, I have a new project! This pleases Slaanesh!

>>7309393
here is a wonderful bastard who already built in the wineskin into his clothing

bump

>>7309232
I'd like to see more recreation gowns if you have some to dump!

>>7309461
lets see what I got...

>>7309232
All. And then a new thread once we hit limit. I'd like to see this become a general (to counteract all the shitty cosplay/lolita stuff)

>>7310059
>shitty cosplay/lolita stuff
>cgl: cosplay and lolita
why are you here

>>7308283
>pointing hosen to your doublet
>1514
It's like you don't even want to Tudor.

>>7310689
I thought he said he did later 1400s?

>>7291560
Cleopatra was referred to not being that good looking in Suetonius . She was simply more exotic looking.

Messalina also was far more of a crazed sexed nympho whereas Cleopatra merely used sex as a political tool like many others. Of course, you may accept the explanation that she used sex in a similar way as she tried to find a future husband to take the Principate due to Claudius' age. I don't think it explains why she had sex with SO MANY different men, though. It's hard to say. Messalina is odd in the sense that ancient historians like Tacitus thought that the things she did were outrageous and even had to preface their work by saying "NO REALLY, THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED I SWEAR DOWN. CROSS MY HEART AND HOPE TO DIE" which they never did with actual falsehoods in their works.

I like Messalina precisely because it's like having a modern club going type girl being married to a brutal dictator. This ,of course, is absolutely hilarious.

Cleopatra is one of those figures who is lauded over far too much. Livia is the real deal when it comes to great power and manipulation over men. That being said, I dislike Livia because I blame her for the mental breakdown of Tiberius.

Bloody Roman mothers.

>>7311063
Cleopatra didn't actually have sex with "so many" men. (nor, while we're on the subject, did she have a vibrator made with bees or Egyptian heritage) It was a rumor spread by her enemies.

>>7311263
Heh, I see where I went wrong.

The whole bit after I said "Cleopatra merely used sex as a political tool" I was referring to Messalina.

Sorry, it was my hurried writing combined with multi-tasking.

>>7311270
>>7311263
>>7311063
Cleopatra seduced Caesar by having herself rolled up naked in a rug dragged to where he was staying and then unveiled infront of his bed. She was ugly with tact.

>>7311263
What really? I can't stop thinking of Nic Cage.

>>7311276
Indeed, it was because she was in dire need of approval from Rome due to the internal struggles in Egypt. It was a beautiful ploy because Caesar originally planned to annex Egypt completely but instead of that he backed Cleopatra's claim on the throne. I ,personally, don't think Caesar was so stupid enough to have given her so much power merely for sex. Sex ,in the ancient world, is often used as a way to secure alliances with each other. Caesar likely just thought he could control a young woman like herself.

>>7311263
hahahaha never heard of the vibrator filled with bees thing

>>7311324
An interesting fact about the vibrator, it was invented to assist doctors in giving women orgasms if the doctor had wrist injuries or was very tired in stimulating a patient.

Making women orgasm was a technique used by doctors as a sort of miracle cure to women getting ill. However, it was most famously used for women's hysteria. This was a very vague condition that could vary from a woman desiring lots of sex or merely just when a woman became a bit of nuisance to her family.

>>7311324
It's on Tumblr all the time, it drives me crazy.

Tumblr seems to think Cleoptra was a black/Egyptian slut who frigged herself with bees

>>7311336
Yeah, that whole "women's hysteria" was just bullshit sexism and an excuse to molest women without being charged with sexual assault. It's awful. I read about it about 6 or so years ago.

Well, this thread got interesting.

>>7311427
>excuse to molest women without being charged with sexual assault
Alternatively, an excuse to get your sexy doctor to give you a good fingerbang.

>>7311678
People don't realize that it was the "patient" who would call the doctor for a housecall.

I blame tumblr for making everything about being a victim, but this is a thread for cool historic clothing, so BACK ON TRACK!

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>>7311771

>>7311790

>>7308300
Judith was an ugly, man-faced bitch.

Salome was clearly the best biblical waifu.

>>7303896
>I have small boobs, a tiny waist, and big hips and thighs. Who could I be?
La Maupin.

Delicious 17th century bisexual duelist.

>>7311809
Hot. Hips = awesome

Sorry if this is a dumb or ignorant question, but what time period(s) was the 'basque waist' most popularized in? I really enjoy that kind of bodice but not sure where to start looking. (Examples if you have any would be great too!)

>>7312198
>basque waist
Victorian, mid 1800's.

Honestly, if you want

>>7312293
*Honestly, if you want construction ideas or patterns, look at wedding dresses and lingerie.

>>7311809
I can't even begin to figure out what she's wearing, but it looks so goddamn soft. Do want.

Not enough ancient cosplay

>>7312293
if you want victorian and/or edwardian patterns, i've had very good success with truly victorian's stuff. a bit pricey, but great instructions and has historical notes as well.

>>7313992
Then post ancient. That is generic dark ages at best. (pic related: Real men use bronze.)

>>7314278
Reconstructing History is hands down, the go-to source of any period pattern.