/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

More jerks on tumblr telling people they're cosplaying Elsa "wrong" and only their own interpretation is right. Get over yourselves, cosplay is supposed to be fun!

>>7311066
>coming on /cgl/
>saying cosplay is supposed to be fun

>>7311066
I don't get people who make these self entitled posts. Keep your shitty attitude to yourself. Watch their costume look like shit, for all that talk.

>>7311066
Why'd you cover up the tags? And so poorly too?

>>7311066
No, you should try for at least some fucking accuracy.

I hate how people are being so nice on cgl these days. No, this is where go to bitch and shit talk everyone on this earth.

>>7311066
While they are right on several, possibly all points, I don't see why it matters a whole lot.

>tfw I just want to see a pretty Elsa cosplayer...

>>7311080
Some people care about accuracy, some actually do it for fun. Get the fuck over yourself . I don't understand the butthurt about what other people do with their time and money.

>>7311108
and then the people who "do it for fun" complain about no one recognizing them or other cosplayers looking better than them and then cry when they get posted in a gag thread

I'm not one for tumblr notes, but 35,000 notes for this?
>IM CRYING!!! PERFECT
>OH MY GOD! the detail is fucking fantastic!
>That’s just perfectly accurate!

>>7311108
If you really didn't care what others think of your shit cosplay, you wouldn't spend so much time whining on the internet about mean girls giving some exasperated concrit.

>>7311178
35,000???? It's fucking denim!

>>7311178

>>7311176
Not all of them cry about it. Fuck. Smooth your boobs.

>>7311178
Oh, the reason for all the notes is because the cosplayer is black.

>that blue jean skirt though..

>>7311108
Do you know any other comebacks than 'get over yourself'?

>>7311176
Totally (and sad) true.

>>7311189
Then why are you here, crying about people being mean to "them"?

>>7311178
Is this someones first cosplay and are they 14? Because I was making stupid cosplay decisions like that when I was that young so I could see why someone might make it out of a denim skirt if they didnt know any better but if not then... girl wtf.

>>7311201
fourteen doesn't mean they deserve 35,000 notes for trying their best

>>7311207
Well no. But I wasnt trying to justify them having 35,000 notes. Just trying to understand why someone would make it out of those materials in the first place.

>>7311178
Is this the black Anna cosplayer or a different one?

There's a post with a black Anna cosplayer that I feel like has a lot of notes simply because she's black.

>>7311176
Which is it, then? Do people cosplay "for fun" or do they need to be the best?

>>7311081
Well there is one pretty Elsa but her costume and wig are shit.

Angela should be good though, she's lovely.

>nobody's cosplayed Olaf yet

>>7311249
Why are you putting for fun in quotes? Has it gone to the point where cosplayers don't cosplay for fun and enjoy themselves anymore?

>>7311246
It is the black one. That's why she has 35k+ notes.
People seem to keep skimming over my post.

>>7311285
No I think anon is using quotations because their alluding to cosplayers who want to have their cake and eating it.

Where they say they're doing it 'just for fun' but want to be recognised and recognised as the best.

Admittedly at that point you wonder what everyone's definition of 'just for fun' is. But surely 'just for fun' is synonymous with 'just for [myself]' and therefore external gratification shouldn't be relevant.

>>7311273
Yes they have

>>7311178

Is it supposed to be everyday cosplay? Like ways to sneak in something you like into your wardrobe?

Cause I can see the fun in that. But as for a good cosplay? Nope.

>>7311296
I haven't seen a Frozen cosplayer cry about not getting recognition so I don't see how it's relevant to the bad cosplayers in this thread. The only whining about recognition I've seen is butthurt anons getting upset that bad cosplayers are getting notes. If it's not about recognition (which is true), why does it matter? Don't worry, Angela's costume will make its rounds on Tumblr when she's done. But I'm sure even then there will still be complaints from anons.

>>7311273

>>7311306
I haven't either, but I haven't looked. Was just trying to answer anon's questions about anon. But maybe I got it wrong.

>>7311310
So cute!

>>7311310
Okay, that's pretty cute.

why would you cosplay if you didn't want to be accurate oh im going to put on this random blue dress in my closet guys look im cosplaying elsa at this con guys look at me guys why isn't anyone recognizing me??

>>7311255
Angela's gorgeous but I do think her costume (mainly the rhinestones) is a bit OTT. I'll be interested to see it done though.

>>7311364
Yeah.. she doesn't really look like Elsa to me..

>>7311364
Yeah, I am worried about the stones but I am hoping she'll pull it off.

>>7311361
Because dressing up is fun, that's why. Most of these bad costumes are recognizable, even if they're inaccurate and none of those cosplayers are complaining about recognition so I don't see why you threw that in your post.

>>7311381
She has a round face whereas Elsa's is a little more pointed, but she's certainly beautiful and suits the colouring of the costume, which a lot of people don't. Ice blonde hair and pale blue can be hard to pull off.

>>7311306
>Don't worry, Angela's costume will make its rounds on Tumblr when she's done. But I'm sure even then there will still be complaints from anons.

Her bodice looks strange. I dont care that shes using rhinestones on the cape like some anons do but as a design it does seem disjointed to have a blinged out cape and this dull bodice with stuff oddly glued too it. But hey its her choice.

>>7311466

Has she confirmed that her bodice is done? I was hoping that she would put some more work into it after seeing her recent wig pictures.

saw a girl making an Elsa wig, but it was totally flat on top. she's complaining it doesn't look right. Told her to give it more volume on top- unbraid it and tease it in the front. "Uh excuse me I am not unbraiding it, it took me HALF AN HOUR to get the braid that perfect! "


ummmmm

>>7311547
Braiding's not even that hard.
Her game is weak.

I think this girl's sequin work looks pretty accurate to Elsa's design which is pretty impressive. Looks a little messy though.

>>7311567

I'm just happy she got the shape and color right.

>>7311567
>>7311569
She handcut and painted them all. Dammmmnnn..

Any conversation about catty Frozen cosplayers just isn’t complete without Angi Viper. Since she cosplayed Elsa before the movie came out, she considers herself the Queen of Frozen cosplayers. And since she did it “first,” she thinks that every cosplayer who does the same costume as her is copying her and weirdly considers it her responsibility to promote the film. Maybe she thinks this’ll get her a job as Elsa at one of the Disney parks?

She also makes YouTube videos of herself “singing” the songs. Check out the comments on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xruADQTPCDg

She also has a habit of lurking on 4chan and looking for mentions of herself (as in this thread here: >>/cgl/thread/7110166)), so I’m sure she’ll send her white knights into this thread sooner or later.

>>7311798
Her outfits are pretty good, but her wig is awful and her face isn't suited for Elsa.

No one will have that elegant doll look..

>>7311798
>>>/cgl/thread/7110166
Have to admit I really liked her coronation Elsa.

Is the film actually good but covered with Tumblr fanshits that are making me stay away from it, just like Tangled?

>>7311821
The painting is all wonky, the fabric is too light and the wrong color and her cape looks like shit.

>>7311802
>No one will have that elegant doll look.
Because no one has a Disney 3D face IRL. I'm pretty sure most people would be fine with an attractive and cute face because getting face accuracy is not possible in this case.

She's kinda big for the character too.

>>7311830
It's okay. Tangled was admittedly better.
Frozen's really pretty, but you have to keep in mind that it's a kid's movie. Basically.

>>7311830
>>7311847
I preferred the Frozen soundtrack to Tangled, though. Just saying, haha.

>>7311310
The snowman has eaten the child

>>7311830
Yeah, I didn't want to see it because of tumblr shit, but I went anyway and was pleasantly surprised. Frozen was also much better than Brave in my opinion. And Tangled has tumblr fanshits?

>>7311798
That is one crusty ass wig.

>>7311798
oh fuck oh fuck me and my friends were watching this video together and we couldnt keep our fucking laughter in. i get second hand embarrassment from watching jesus fuck, fuck it all. fuck its so fucking embarrassing

>>7311849
I'm not asking for a Disney face, just someone who doesn't look like she's 30.

>>7311858
Tanged had a lot back when it came out. Usually every Disney film nowadays does.

>>7311798
That thread is fucking hilarious.

>>7311910
Hm, glad I somehow missed it.

>bandwagon cosplays

I thought this shoop was actually hilariously good

This is pretty

>>7311798

Lost it at the snowflake stomp.

<3

>>7311830
It's not amazing, it's not awful. Solid and enjoyable 6/10.

BWAHAHAHA send in your white knights to a 2-month old 4chan thread. Fuck.

>>/cgl/thread/7110166

>>7311798
Ahhhh fuck, my sides!

>>7311830
Really pretty, but quite a few plot holes here and there. I enjoyed seeing it, but it could have been so much better.

>>7311957
well he sure does look sleazy

>>7311830
I was honestly...really bored. I'm glad I didn't pay to see it.
I really did try to like it, and the animation is pretty and character designs are pretty, but I definitely sat there like "meh" the entire way through.

Surprising, because I typically like their movies...disappointing, too.

I preferred Tangled and Brave, for sure.

>>7311567
The shape of the bodice and the sleeves are completely wrong. Jesus fuck why do people do this, spend ages on getting one aspect perfect but seemingly not even caring about the other ones.

Wig is really pretty! But I wonder how much help it's getting with photoshop.

>>7311066
Now with less mspaint! http://ignored-face.tumblr.com/post/73733533976/elsa-cosplayers

>>7312174
This girl is gorgeous

>>7311798
If I see one more badly sung cosplay cover of Let it Go I think I'll kill something.

>>7311108
>implying you can't do it for accuracy and for fun

I enjoy trying to replicate something as accurately as possible. Its hard for me to understand why someone wouldn't want to be accurate.

>>7312216
Likewise, it's hard for me to understand why what other people do with their money and time matters to anyone but that person.

You're not paying for their cosplay so why does it matter how much artistic license they use? You cosplay for accuracy and for fun while other people will be perfectly happy buying an eBay costume, while others may reuse an old blue prom dress and try bedazzling it. And other people will make their own costume with their own flairs e.g. on Elsa's dress instead of using glitter, maybe they use tiny beads or something.

They're doing their thing, while you do yours, what's not to understand about this? People have different reasons for cosplaying and what they cosplay, expecting everyone to be like you is a bit juvenile.

>>7311534
I think I saw in a recent post of hers that she was adding some rhinestones to the bodice as well. Angela doesn't really go to conventions anymore, so I don't think there's anything wrong with her taking liberties with the costume. I think she's more into making pretty dresses as a future career anyway, rather than going for excellent cosupray accuracy.

The tumblr wank over the so-called "white-washing" of the characters ruined it for me.

>>7312251
How in the hell was Frozen white-washed? None of the characters were ever originally going to be any other race. The damn movie had it's roots from Norway. Now, I've never been to Norway, especially not in the 1700s (which is where I'm guesstimating it's taking place seeing as Flynn/Rapunzel were in a scene and Tangled takes place in that time), but I'm not sure there are a lot of other races that aren't "white" there. Just saying.

Fuck you Tumblr.

Can we please talk about Frozen cosplay? Does the lining of her ice-dress look dark blue to anyone? Everyone's is light blue, but it looks dark in all the promotional images. Screenshot anon halp.

>>7312268
I am guessing this recolor is a Tumblr recreation.

I obviously was not around in that time period either but when I visited Scandinavia a few years ago and spent a few days in each country, I mostly saw white people with the occasional "POC".

Leave it to Tumblr to claim racism in a film set in a country and time when there weren't many people of different races there.

Not to mention the original story The Snow Queen, written by Hans Christen Andersen, published in 1845 was written in a time when populations did not have as much freedom to move as seen today.

>>7311178
I saw that and I freaking cringed.

>>7312268
I don't get why they were trying to argue that Norwegians are anything other than neon white, either. They were trying to argue that the Sami people are much darker and the movie was mis-representing the culture. Some Sami are more olive-toned, but from what I have seen, the vast majority are fair.

To keep this on topic, has anyone done a cosplay of Anna's green and gold dress yet? I've only ever seen it on a dress form and even then I wasn't a fan. I'd really like to see it worn.

>>7312276
Since you want accuracy, use movie clips to find the best color. Promo images aren't always the final design you see in the films anyway e.g. a lot of the "gradients" people used aren't necessarily carried through in the film too. Also you need to consider that anything darker is also accounting for shadows and shading. I lined mine with a darker blue but that's because it's what I had.

>>7312294
>Anna's green and gold dress
This is all I ever want to see. I don't care about Elsa's super amazing Snow Queen outfit. Anna's outfit for the ball was so gorgeous. I just- I need to see it in real life (y'know, looking good).

Also, has anyone seen a Kristoff? I've seen about every character except Kristoff, the giant snowmonster, and that funny man from Weselton.

>>7312276
Honestly, in the movie, it looks more royal blue than dark blue.

>>7312304
There were 2 Kristoffs posted in the last thread.

And I can't believe someone has cosplayed the Duke, I can only hope he was showing off his bitchin dance moves.

>>7311178

>>7312192
Shooped to hell and back, probably, but much better!

>>7311306
>I haven't seen a Frozen cosplayer cry about not getting recognition
>My anecdotal evidence provides an adequate and objective test pool and therefore I'm right.

Sure.

>>7312369
Please post evidence of many bad Frozen cosplayers crying about recognition. Otherwise, you're complaining about something you made up.

>>7312377
Does the "First Elsa Cosplay Ever!" girl from a ways down count by receiving "bad" recognition here on CGL (way back in September)?

>>/cgl/thread/7110166

Because, honestly, sending out a small army to 4chan to ~defend ur honor Angi~ seems like crying about recognition, albeit in a completely different way than was previously said.

Captcha: sung earlyfm

(You got that right, captcha.)

>>7312174
WHY does everyone seem to want to do fancy ass backwards braids when her braid is obviously just a regular old everyday one?!

>>7312617
no, normal braids are like the one on the left, her braid should be more of a dutch/inverted braid (the one on the right) imo

>>7312646
>>7312617
aaand i dropped my pic

>>7311946
wow im actually pleased with this tbh they'd look great like this

>>7312291
what a fucking monstrosity if elsa was a poc she'd be an olive skinned sami not a nigress

at least make her indian brown so we can have a hot white haired indian princess look instead of a poorly shooped nigger

>>7311946
If this was real it'd be the most accurate cosplay I've seen

>>7312291
>>7312666
I'm normally understanding of historical contexts and all that when it comes to racism double standards but I can't be the only one thinking "blackwashing" right?

>>7312671
FUCK YES. Black-washing. Stop, Tumblr. Sorry, but "PoC" can't be in every goddamn movie. It's not historically accurate and it makes you look racist against the country that is in the movie.

>>7312276
Face character seems to have purple lining which is pretty bizarre. To me it's more of a royal blue.

>>7312673
first it was that every damn tv show, ad or movie needs a homosexual, now it's "PoC". Which is a stupid term btw. I am not colorless. I'm peach colored or pale pink. Not white like a fucking paper. "Omg wow people of color so speshul, such speshul diversity and coulture" -- with all the praise these days seems like "white people" cannot reach the level of speshulness and persona.

>>7312680
It's such a damn broad term too. Like, "PoC" well, I'm of the Caucasian color, but that doesn't seem to matter, but literally every other race besides white is a "PoC" what the actual fuck. I mean, it's literally white people<everyone else.

(And someone needs to explain to me what a xir is. Because if it's not an alien for Invader Zim then I'm fucking stumped.)

>>7312010
>he
lololol

>>7312291
That fucking recolour looks horrible. And there still aren't that many people of different races in Norway. Most Norwegians look like they've never seen the sun.

Source: I'm Norwegian.

>>7312679
never even seen this film but this looks like a party hire costume

>>7312291
she doesn't even have POC features she is implied to be.. Whitewashing!!! I made better one to wash my hands from this cradle of racism you disgusting white people

>>7312781
Oh jeez. Too much laughter, too early in the morning.

>>7312781
I remember this shit. They complained that she was thin, white, blue-eyed and had Caucasian hair.
So they changed her skin color to brown, left everything else alone and everything was completely fair.
I swear, SJWs are just as racist as stormfags.

>>7312737
What pisses me off is that I'm scandinavian as well, finnish to be exact, and my culture is totally different from "poc" culture.. This movie had some takes on sami people, my ancestors. In every way I felt this movie pay some respect to Northern people. Our North is different than your multicultural godblessmurrica, and I love it that way.
Saying that Frozen needs po(p)c(orn) is offensive to me, as I feel my culture is not being respected and not taken seriously.

My best friend invited me to make a full frozen group, I agreed to do it but I'm nervous. I've been reading the Frozen threads here for a while and I don't want to make any gross mistakes.
I'll be Elsa, and there's lots of helpful hints here, but there's not much about Anna.
Any hints or things you see in other Anna cosplayers that are really bad? So I can help my friend. She isn't good with english so I came here to seek help for her.

>>7312814
Swede here, and I agree. I really enjoyed the movie because I love the original story and it is nice to have a movie that takes place in scandinavia.

There is a whole tumblr of how rasist Frozen is against PoC - thiscouldhavebeenfrozen on tumblr, where many people say they wanted it to be in Mongolia or such countries. The author of the tumblr also claims that there is NO culture in Frozen so it's NOT set in Scandinavia. I can agree that they have simplified a lot of culture aspects but I stillt hink it's pretty clear that it's supposed to take place in one of the scandinavian countries. I don't go and neglect that Pocahontas took place in America or that Brother Bears took place in Inuit culture.

>>7312291
It's because of shit like this that I dropped Elsa from my plans and decided to do Hans instead. I'm not about to have more children coming up to me saying I'm so brave for being a "cosplaying POC gosh you're such an inspiration to me good job!"
>mfw this shit actual happens.
>mfw these kids are actually serious.

That aside, and to stay on topic, has anyone found any clear pictures of Hans' coronation outfit? Specifically the back of his jacket? The better quality cam rip came out, but all the details are still fuzzy as shit and its driving me nuts.

>>7312757
That's the official costumes that the character staff in disney land florida wear

>>7312861
I'm making Anna, and one thing is to get good fabric for it. Wool or something that really reminds of wool for the cape and the skirt (the skirt should be a thinner material). I also use Velvet for the top because I think that a quality fabric is fit for a princess.

I personally think the embroidered parts look better if you actually embroider them and don't paint them, but if your friends isn't good mith embroidery it could look really messy.

>>7312881
I've got the artbook with some Hans in it, if that helps?
>>7312886
Oh, for god sakes. The damn movie was based on Norway culture/dress/streets/etc. Art book fact. (Nerdy enough to have read scans of the art book, oh yeah~!) How in the hell could that be set in anything other than what the designs were based off of?!

>>7312886
It's way more offensive that little Murican kiddies brush off someone else's entire culture just for their skin color and call it racist. Sorry, aside from Somali immigrants we don't have many black people in Finland now, and we didn't have any at all then. It's incredibly rude and entitled to try and 'fix' someone else's culture just because it isn't like the States. It'd be like going to Kenya and asking, nay, DEMANDING that someone wheels in a dozen whites and Asians so it'd be more 'culturally diverse'.

Nyt vituttaa.

>>7312891
I told her about the embroidery, we'll figure a way to make it, and make it good.
Thankyou very much for the help, specially about the fabric, she had no idea what to use for the cape! I

>>7312895
Haha, I have the artbook too (good it's so pretty). But there's nothing much in there for his coronation outfit, which is pic related. So far these are the best refs I can get of the back of it. I think the next step is to just get the movie and pray to god it's less fuzzy.

>>7312904
Whoops. Guess I should have read that better. Damn, that is one fine jacket/coat/outerwear thing. I never actually realized how much detail it had.

Anyway, sorry I couldn't help more. Good luck though!

>>7312268
>>7312291
I'm Norwegian.

Norway was under Danish regime pretty much all the time before 1814, so the people were largely Danish around 1700. Either way, most people where white as fuck, and when I say most I mean 99.999% of the population.
The country was too far away and too insignificant to have many travelers from far away, most of the foreigners in the country were German or such.
Kristoff, who is the only Sami in the movie, is white, which is fine. Most Sami are white and the ones who aren't white are tanned, they're not... olive-skinned because they are born that way most of the time, it's because they tan in the strong sun.
Now, the Snow Queen was written by a Danish man, H.C Andersen, and the story probably takes place in Denmark. IDK why Disney decided to move it to Norway, because they fucked up Nordic culture something bad with this film.
It takes place in Arendal, but there are things from Swedish and Finnish culture there? And there's giant mountains right next to Arendal? And the dock from Bergen is supposed to be there? And there are Samis that far south in this period of time? All of this is bullshit.

Bottom line, Frozen has a lot of historical inaccuracies and was problematic in it's portrayal of Norwegian culture. But not having POC is not why it's bad.

>>7312921
The movie didn't take place IN Norway, it draws its stylistic design from there. You probably know a hell of a lot more than I do about Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway... but I'm just saying what I know. Arendelle is in a made up country that takes style advice from Norway.

>>7312921
I'm from Arendal and from what it looks like to me, the movie is placed in Tromsö. There are no mountains around here for miles.
We were however not culturally Danish and the "storbonde"("great farmer") was very similar to a king in many places.
The dock from Bergen is also not that unique in architecture, mostly in size.

As >>7312927 said, it's just inspired by Norway, not actually in Norway.

>>7312931
>>7312921

>>7312921
But Snow Queen doesn't take place in Denmark because they travel through Lapland in the original story. The original story probably takes place in northern Norway, Sweden or Finland.

However, I don't even think the head character from the orginal story, Grete, were supposed to be Sami because its said in the story that Grete and Kaj lives in a big city and that their houses were so close they could easily climb over to each other. Grete meet Sami women like the Lappish and Finn woman, but she's probably not Sami herself.


I just wished they kept to the original story, that would've been more interesting.

>>7312933
That sounds unmistakably like Tromsö, the only proper sized town north of Trondheim.

>>7312886
>thiscouldhavebeenfrozen

"I don’t mind if people read Frozen with Norwegian themes but to dismiss representation because of those themes is problematic."

I am seriously so pissed people like this exist

>>7312886
I think a lot of the more reasonable criticisms of Frozen revolve not around the movie itself, but the way Disney churns out films that are supposedly intended for a white demographic. In other words, lots of people want more diversity in the release of films and they are rolling their eyes at Frozen because it was the third princess film featuring an all/mostly-white cast that Disney put out in the past 3 years.

Y'all can disagree all you want about the criticism of cultural representation/portrayal in the media; I'm just saying that I've found these arguments to be a bit more sound than "Elsa should have been black" which seems to be the only Tumblr shit anyone is responding to.

>>7312969
It's been said before tons of times, and I'll say it again. The reason disney puts out so much "stuff for/about white people" is because it's the only stuff they have to go on. A lot of african folklore wasn't very well recorded, and it's difficult for them to gain rights to/translations of a lot of asian or indian folklore. And honestly, the USA is a english speaking country and so they go with english native or english translated fairy tales. All other countries do the same thing, they just don't have as much racial diversity so no one cares. So it's not so much about trying to hide that kind of thing, it's about the ease of taking pre-existing media and churning it out.

It's more laziness than anything else, even with prince and the frog the story was pretty damn generic and could have had a white cast and people would have said it was shit.

>>7312969
maybe they don't want to make more black princesses, princess and frog was kinda failure.. Patf budget of 105 million, sold only 267 million dollars at the box office. Frozen has been out only couple of months with budget of 150 million dollars and has already sold over 700 million. (Source: Wikipedia)

>>7312976
>it's difficult for them to gain rights to/translations of a lot of asian or indian folklore
There's actually a lot of Asian fairy tales that are recorded? Like Chinese versions of Cinderella-story variations.

Plus they can always adapt a fairy tale or story and set it someplace else, like how they adapted Hamlet into the Lion King.

Not disagreeing with you about the laziness + genericness that they aim for, though.

>>7312983
Oops, *translated, not recorded.

>>7312983
Right, but it requires that extra step, plus a lot of asian cultures seem to want to keep them within their own group, I know that Japan won't allow gaijin the rights to things like Kaguya-hime because they want to do their own cultural take on it, same with a lot of Indian stories.

>>7312927
Arendelle is a place in Norway.

>>7312226
haha what? You were the one being exclusive. In your first post you said "some people cosplay for accuracy, some people cosplay for fun." Implying that you can't cosplay for both reasons.

Just because I can't fathom why someone would spend time and money on making something barely recognizable doesn't mean I'm going to be a bitch to them about it, but I do come here to question their decisions. That is what /cgl/ I'd for. If you want to be coddled and not see people complaining about accuracy go to cosplay.com

>>7312983
>>7312976
imho Disney as a company is racist as fuck and they make dumb decisions and dumbed down movies because... who the fuck knows, muh capitalism or something.
Disney is a terrible company, Frozen wasn't a great movie, but I'm just butthurt that people are complaining about the wrong thing when it comes to it.
Frozen's not to blame, Disney is.

>>7312983
Many tribal nations' mythology and fairy tales are oral lore and would never have been written down if it weren't for other cultures being interested in them. Many Maori tales only survive thanks to Alexander Wyclif Reed, who was a white bloke that remembered to write things down. One tribe may have certain beliefs and another some different ones, so it's also kind of hard to gather them all in one place and they're easily lost. For example, "Kia Hora Te Marino" has really vague origins and only people from that very tribe and those close to them will know where it came from. I didn't know until some guy was tipped off by a lady of the aforementioned tribe and wrote a blog post about it, and I'm Maori myself.

>>7312996
It's called Arendal, source: I'm from Arendal.

>>7313005
Hvordan er været i Arendal?

>>7312993
But fairy tales don't have rights. They can't be copywrited, because they're so old. Just like Disney didn't have to get permission to make Cinderella, or Snow White, or any of their movies, because they use stories that are ols enough they don't need permission. The same goes for any other culture's story, and if they wanted to they could just find the story online.

>>7312969
I totally agree with you on all counts. I'm not going to shit on a movie because it has all/mostly white cast. Especially when the story is based on a culture that is predominately white. That's a small part of a bigger problem and I can't get why they're focusing on it. And anyway, just because the Sami, Celtics and Vikings are "white cultures" doesn't mean they don't deserve a fair representation. Like you, I wish they'd just try something else for a change.

Do I wish that they tried to appeal to and market themselves to a wider range of people? Yeah. Am I wary of how well they can accomplish that without shameless pandering? Of course. Even if they have done well with it it in the past. As well as can be expected, anyway.

That's generally how tumblr sjw are in general about representation. I remember someone in the SNK fandom bitching about how there wasn't enough representation of different gender identities and claiming Hanji and Nanaba "weren't enough". They are also quick to forget more positive depictions of sex, gender, race, sexuality, 'etc.' of a story for one "problematic" thing they disagree with. Or even if the author has said/done something they don't like. I think it's the same with Frozen.

It sucks to belong to a minority group of society that gets shat on either through poor representation or stereotyping. But seriously, tumblr. Get your shit together.

Have a Kristoff Cosplay.

>>7313004
What I was talking about, except not as a piece of soundtrack for the civ series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4Nw-wRxPc

>>7313011
They do actually, the only reason disney fairytales don't is because no one owns the rights to anything by the brothers grimm.

Disney needs to market to a more diverse group of people rather than just the English-heritage folk of the US.

Sami people were not represented well ENOUGH in Frozen, it was all quite pathetic. They also need to stop fucking up cultures so bad in every movie they make.

Tumblr people need to understand there are bigger problems than Frozen not having an African-American in it, and need to understand their own views are problematic. They could also do to learn about the racism between white races in Europe. Like the racism against Samis in Norway, racism against Eastern Europeans and so on.

>>7312687
xir is a made up gender neutral pronoun that people who think they can be both or neither male or female, or sjw will request you use as to not offend their sensibilities. Others include: ze, zir, hir

>>7313011
Still, it takes a lot of effort to adapt it into a PG cartoon/movie as a lot of them aren't like that in the original, and they have to tiptoe around any things that might be considered racially insensitive so that entitled mummies and whiny internet denizens don't go whinging about how they are "lyk so offended" about this or that. Unlike >>7313003 I actually don't think Disney is racist at all, but since their target audience is first and foremost little children they need to be careful with the content and please the parents at the same time, which is no easy task at all.
Like I mentioned in >>7313004, some nations' mythology and lore isn't that well documented to boot. And if you by chance misrepresent them, they will unleash a storm of criticism so that ALL the world's white people can be 'offended' with them, too. It's tricky business and I can totally get why it takes a long time to finish.

>>7312647
>>7312646
>>7312617
Actually, we had this exact hairstyle for a dance routine my senior year of shigh school I wish I could find some pics, but my hard drive crashed with them. It's just a loose french braid, starting at the top/middle back of the head and going across and under the other ear.

Sort of like pic related, but looser and with movie volume.

>>7313029
Why can't any of these faggots learn linguistics and not use special snowflake letters like x and z, god that pisses me off.

>>7313029
Mate, that's just fucking stupid.
Use 'they' if you want to be an amoeba.

HAH.

I'm also part German, part Irish, and part Native American, but let me fucking tell you, I'm the whitest motherfucker I've ever met. I have actually only met two other people ever who are paler than I am, and they were both pasty as hell. My friend is of the same lineage, with a lot stronger native american blood (her grandfather is actively part of whatever tribe he's from) and she still looks white as hell.

JFC, I'm reading this blof and I am way too angry for it to be 11 AM
>>7312781
Thank you, anon.

I saw the otherone and just thought, "Someone that black, with those blue eyes?"

I can sort of understand the hair because ice powers, but come on.

>>7312673
now im just thinking of those people who got offended that there were not fat black people in les miserablés

>>7312781
>KFC

>>7311798
Oh my god she looks horrible...
Bad makeup, bad dress, bad wig, i cant even

I really like the use off iridescent paper for Elsa's corset here. The effect is really pretty. Though I wish it was longer, it looks so stumpy on the dressform

>>7313017
This is spot on! She's great!

>>7312673
Except there were non white people around during that time....

Like dude seriously you can defend it all you want but don't claim historical accuracy on the part of only having white individuals around because that's just not true. There are a shit ton of paintings and artworks from European history which proves you wrong on that account. Especially since you are saying this about a movie where Saami bits and pieces are incorporated. I mean really???

>>7312781
LOL I didn't notice changes in the thumbnail, but so worth the click. Ya got me, hahah.

>>7313047
I love that but she could do with a petticoat underneath

>>7313165
But Sami are white...?
And they aren't saying black people weren't around, just not in the area the movie's concerning.

>>7313165
Sami are white people.

And maybe that's true for the western european countries, but Scandinavia almost only had immigrants coming from German countries

>>7313165
Sami are largely white or tanned, they are not black.
NORDIC countries were not visited a lot considering they were far fucking away and they didn't have wares needed by the southern countries in Europe.

plz stop.

>>7312814
>>7312886
>>7312896

I sincerely hope that people living outside the US don't feel that Tumblr is a representation of how the nation actually feels about things. Most of us do not go and look for ways to be offended or have the urge to "feel offended for other people". Most of us don't insist upon seeing a "POC" in a film or story in order to enjoy it. Vocal minority and whatnot.

>>7313174
>>7313174
SOME Saami are white looking. Many still looked remarkably non-white during the 1800s when Frozen is supposedly set.

Other than the Saami you also had the Tattare(gypsies) in the area.

>>7313165
I haven't even been in this thread yet but what the fuck are we doing arguing about historical accuracy for a fantasy movie?
Is Arendelle an actual kingdom? No?
Yeah, it was based on a Scandinavian fairy tale. But at most all you can say is that the setting is loosely inspired by Norway, I don't even think that you can argue believably for any actual time period the film is based off. character design/architecture are typical pseudo-medieval fantasy designs.

most of those paintings that were made of POC before the 19th century were made not because POC were as common as you seem to believe, but because they were such a rarely-seen minority in Europe that they were painted for essentially novelty factor. it was really unusual to see any PoC at that time in those countries who had obtained the personal wealth necessary to privately commission an artist. Sometimes they were painted because they were someone rich's illegitimate daughter or favored manservant, but this does not mean that those populations existed in abundance. you can claim that disney is shitty and racist and close-minded because they didn't include any people of color in Frozen but it sounds just as ludicrous as a white person complaining that Mulan and Aladdin should've had more westerners in the story because historical trade routes would've totes brought them in.

>>7313206
They were tan, you mean?
Tan's not black.

>>7313210
No you idiot they looked native. Which from everything I've learned native =/= white.

>>7313210
Non-white != black. During that time period, many Saami were visibly Asian.

>>7313174
You need to learn history and geography.

>>7313214
Lol, you are entertaining.
Sami people were native, yes. Native but with fair skin. Some of those who weren't fair, had a tan because of the snow reflecting, giving them a tan color.
Ever gone skiing?

>>7313216
Well, POC always means black people with these social justicers, so you never know.

>>7313202
Of course we don't, it's just these little sjw shits that are incredibly annoying.
I've been to the South for a year and was surprised by how nice and friendly everyone was, actually (not that people here aren't, but we're way more closed off and shy instead of baking a pie for the new neighbor, you know). Usually you get people saying how people there are these hyper-religious assholes but most of them were really interested in how I celebrated (holiday) and our customs, as opposed to the "say Jesus is luv or you go to hell xoxo" that you keep hearing in stories around the internet. For the most part, stories are just stories and it's only one side that's telling them so you can't grasp the reality that well. Just look at con horror stories, the narrator is always an innocent little lamb that bad shit simply happens to and everyone else is wrong and 'totally nuts'.

>>7313106
I really like the effect! That's a nice use of materials too. I personally love seeing all the different things people are using for their bodices beyond hand-cutting sequins (which is no less interesting or impressive, but it's nice to see variety)

>Though I wish it was longer, it looks so stumpy on the dressform
It does look really short but if you compare it to the where the bodice hits on that dressform, I would guess that the person making this has a thick waist and is short-waisted to boot. Elsa's bodice stops at the natural waist, then dips downward in the front, which is what this person's bodice does - it's just that their waist is higher and their body is not willowy and long like the characters in the film so they adjusted accordingly.

It's probably one of those things where the dress will "make more sense" when you see it with the skirt and moreso on the person. I've got a long torso so the bodice I made for my dress looked absurdly long when it was just on the dressform by itself, but when I attached the skirt etc. and tried everything on, it was in proportion for me.

>>7313221
They had Asian features, olive/tan skin, which was not represented in the movie well even though aspects of their culture was. Why show material things and music but not the actual people?
>>7313223
No, it really doesn't. Maybe old people say PoC to mean black people but most people use it to mean PoC now.

>>7313209
EXACTLY it is fantasy! Yet we still have people defending the all white cast because of historical accuracy.

All I am trying to say is DO NOT defend it with misinformation because then you are wrong. There are facts proving that colored people lived around the area in substantial numbers.

Otherwise I could care less how it is defended.

>>7313219
Not really. I studied this in school, being Finnish and all. You, however, need to stop taking history lessons from Wikipedia and open a book.
>>7313216
Also not really.

>>7313234
So all those pictures from the 1800s were altered then by those SJWs. Uhuh...

>>7313236
They were never Asian and the parts of Asia they came from are in nowadays' Russia. Come on.

>>7313237
It was once believed that they were Mongoloid but gene research disputed that. They aren't even related to the Samoyedic peoples of the area they came from (around Siberia), their ancestors have possibly lived in Europe for 1000s of years and they are VERY distantly related to any other people, which shows that they haven't mixed much with other peoples.

>>7313231
To be fair a lot of people on tumblr only like POC when their skin is dark.
Japanese, chinese, etc, aren't POC enough.
Which is why tumblrites draw Mikasa from SNK with dark skin, even though she's canonly Japanese.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say people that complain about lack of representation are really boring.
Most Disney movies are about talking animals. The ones about humans that have non-whites that aren't Disney Princess movies (ie Lilo & Stitch, Atlantis, Emperor's New Groove, Brother Bear, etc) just tend to get ignored so you can prove your point.

>>7313232
sorry, let me clarify:
I'm not trying to say that the people weren't there, I just want this person to know that basing their assumptions about population on 'a shit ton of paintings and artworks from european history' is not a good way to start their argument. art very rarely coincides with accurate documentation.

Look at these god damned asian looking sami people.
Just look at them
So asian.
So black.
So asian black.

>>7313253
So blasian?

>>7313248
I always felt like Lilo & Stitch was pretty successful for a plot Disney didn't rip off from anywhere. It went up against Spirited Away in the 2002 Academy Awards so somebody must've thought it was pretty good. It also got three sequels and a television series, not to mention all the merchandising they did for Stitch. How do you call that ignored?

>>7313008
Snowy, might say it's Frozen.

>>7313262
I don't think they are talking about "critical" reviews or getting ignored by the company itself (e.g. one movie and no further marketing or development beyond that).

They're talking about people (probably mostly tumblrites etc) pretending Disney didn't make films that included non-White people just so they can prove their point that Disney ONLY makes films with a White cast.

>>7313253
Sami do have asian FEATURES, but they don't look directly asian. Jesus.

>>7313273
Show me ONE that looks remotely asian anon.
Because I did go through the trouble of looking for sami people that have any remotely asian feature and I found nothing,

>>7313106
I just looked at ordering from that company and it would cost $40 to ship two pieces of paper to my country. Living outside the US is the worst.

>>7313277
It's mostly the eyes. They look like creepy old japanese men sometimes.

>>7313278
Damn son, those papers should have gold in them if it costs that much. What's the company? I wouldn't mind ordering for you and shipping to your location. I do this for some of my friends in Europe and Canada.

>>7312673
Actually there WAS a POC in the fucking ball scene. Fucking tumblr.

>>7313288
"Mulberry Paper and More." I like the effect of them but jesus it's pricey. I've already ordered sequins anyway so I was just curious. Thanks for the offer though anon!

>>7313248
>>7313272

Under that godawful blackfaced Elsa post on Tumblr I've seen people complaining that all Disney ever does is blonde blue-eyed girls.

And then some magnificent soul pointed out that the last time Disney did a blue-eyed blonde was in Sleeping Beauty (1959) and within the last 20 years they had just as many POC characters as white ones.

Fucking SJWs.

Disney hasn't made a movie about:
Eastern Europeans/Slavs
Maori/Samoans/Abbos
Asian Indians
Greeks
Italians
Ancient Egypt
Mongolians
Koreans
Thai

join the fucking club and stop whining your entitled ass off

(if they have made a movie based on/starring any of these cultures, let me know, I wanna see them)

just saying again0 POC is a terrible concept. It polarizes the world into Whites vs. Everyone Else and flattens out the depth and diversity of all related cultures and countries.

>>7313302
>Greeks
Hercules

>>7313307
You could technically make the argument that that's Roman because all but one of the characters have Roman names.

>>7313302
>Anonymous 01/19/14(Sun)16:00 UTC No.7313033
>>>7313029

Hercules?

>>7313308
But they use the Greek names of the gods and the muses are an offspring to Zeus

>>7313311
Ah, sorry, I mixed it up. It was all Greek and one Roman name, not the other way around.

>>7313302

>mongolians

Don't you remember Shan Yu? He played a huge role in Mulan.

>>7313106
That's so lovely!

>>7313305
This
I'm latina, and I hate when I'm flocked together with every other "poc", and have people telling me "poor thing you must have it hard as a poc"
fucking hate

>>7313302
technically mongolians were in Mulan, even if they were the villains.

mongol horde was pretty villainous IRL actually, too.

>>7313308
It takes place in ancient Greece and uses the Greek gods. It is Greek.

>>7313308
Still, the artstyle and characters' features are definitely on the Greek side.
I think they decided to go with Roman names because they're just more recognizable in our culture.

>>7313296
>within the last 20 years they had just as many POC characters as white ones.
Boldfaced lie.
>>7313294
And no, 3 blurry brown people in the background don't count as characters with personalities and purpose. That's not representation.

Disney had the potential to represent indigenous people but they didn't do it.

>>7313305
Just saying again, the term doesn't apply to the entire world, only where white supremacy is a notable problem.

Can we stop feeding the Tumblr troll and get back to the cosplays?

>>7313302
>mongolians

Mulan.

The Huns were Mongolian.

As the other anon said, Hercules, which had a surprising amount of race variance, especially if you include the TV show.

The muses were black, Icarus was actually greek looking, and some of the gods and goddesses had traits of other races, despite being blue, pink, gold, etc. As far as Disney goes, I think Hercules had the most diversity of all.

I don't know what Disney could do re: ancient Egypt without people screaming about it being a Prince of Egypt rip off.

>Only where white supremacy is a notable problem

Bull fucking shit.

White supremacy is not a notable problem in America. There are some moronic people who think that they're better because they're white, but that is /not/ the majority of white people, and not enough to be a "notable problem."

Not to mention all of the fucking nigger who think they're hot shit just because they're fucking black. Black supremacy isn't a thing, though, is it?

>>7313327
Oh, right! I liked Hercules a lot. It wasn't that memorable, though, so no wonder I forgot.

>>7313277
I can't really take a picture of my neighbours and shit man, that's creepy.
You're gonna have to trust this Nord.

Not all of them do, but when compared to regular Nords the Sami do have asian features.

>>7313320
There were 17 Disney(only Disney, not counting Pixar) movies since 1990 that weren't about talking animals. Of those, 13 had PoC. Seven of those had nearly EXCLUSIVELY PoC, other than one to three minor or supporting white characters. The seven are: Mulan(all Chinese), Aladdin(all either Middle Eastern or Indian), Brother Bear(all Inuit), Emperor's New Groove(all Inca), Lilo & Stitch(all Hawaiian and black, and two white girls with a Japanese friend with nearly no screentime), Princess & the Frog(nearly all black other than Lottie and her dad), the Jungle Book's sequel(I can't remember; I think they're Indian?).

>>7313320
>Just saying again, the term doesn't apply to the entire world, only where white supremacy is a notable problem.

The problem is tumblrites have latched onto this and decided that it is how the world works. Giving you the benefit of the doubt on your intentions, but elaborating on the fact that racial inequality happens all over the world in so many different ways that using such a broad term and plastering it over all groups is really ignorant.

And I definitely wouldn't say the US has a 'white supremacy' problem. I haven't seen any magnitude of racism here like I've seen in Asia and some of Europe, by far- of course maybe that is my location. But the US is so much more progressive-thinking, as evidenced by the very existence of the SJW culture. It's highly progressive if illogical, and I think that says something for the time and place it is originating from.

Why does Tumblr think all Sámi are brown people?

>>7313298
You're most welcome.

Not sure if you've already looked into this but if you like the shimmer effect, there are those scrapbooking iridescent powders that you can apply and heat w/a hair dryer to set. I haven't experimented with them on my Elsa dress, but they could be interesting.

Pic sorta related, they used the powder on the swirls.

>>7313357
Because they're dumbshits that think any culture they're not familiar with must be POC.

>>7313345
Compared to a banana, a tomato looks an awful lot like an orange.

>>7313359
I actually did see some of those and thought they were pretty cool. I could only seem to find them in white though, I'll go have another look.

>>7313357
Most of them have probably never heard of the Sámi before Frozen, but a few did, then it got reblogged etc as people got more "tumblr-informed". And like >>7313360 said, they make mass assumptions about things they aren't familiar with. I bet anyone not a White American is a PoC to these kids.

>>7312673
>>7313294
>>7313320
>>7313331
/pol/ pls go
>>7313296

>>7313371

hah cute. you've never went to /pol/ before have you?

>>7313363
Idk about you, but I think I would know considering I live here with Samis, so.

>>7313353
Hey.

Europe is a continent, not a country.
You can't make generlized statements like that about it because it's so fucking vastly different depending on which country you're in.

>>7313391

I thought it was implied by the very circumstance that instances of racism don't represent a whole country much less a continent. However, I said 'some of Europe' because likewise, not every country is the same. I should have likely applied that to some of Asia as well- I haven't even been to every country in Europe or Asia, so I can't speak for all of it.

>>7313382
What a coincidence, as do I.
And they look as white as ever.

Älä puhu siitä mistä et tiedä mitään.

>>7313371
Tumblr pls go

>>7313417
bickering aside, those little kids are adorable!

>>7313248
not to mention they are also claiming that frozen is the first disney movie where the girl "didn't need a guy to save her"
when PLENTY of disney movies have had princesses and female leads that weren't frail helpless damsels in distress.
tumblrtards like this are becoming just as bad as crazy bible thumpers who ignore most of the facts to try and prove their point about one small thing. (preaching about how being gay is wrong but its okay to wear mixed fabrics even though the bible said both are wrong.)
These people are just finding something to bitch about wherever they can and will twist the story as much as they can to try and seem right.

Yo /cgl/, getting away from race stuff for a bit to ask some fabric advice.

I've been playing with a few options for Elsa's skirt and the two I'm deciding between are a matte satin with glitter painted onto it or layering satin under a sparkle organza. I've attached a picture of the satin + organza so y'all can get an idea of what it looks like. I really like the effect (although it's a bit much with flash [and a little blurry, sorry]) but my main concern is that the organza will be too stiff to be part of the skirt. It is a fairly form-fitting skirt for the most part so I'm thinking it might be okay, but I was wondering if anyone with experience with organza might chime in? I've never used it before so I'm flying blind.

>>7313595
Organza isn't that stiff, not like tulle is. Go for it.

>>7313605
I guess stiff's not the right word, maybe crisp is what I mean? Either way, thanks for the vote of confidence!

alright ignore that kida and megara are there but out of this princesses theres only three blondes:/

>>7313703
this is obviously photoshopped

>>7313720
its just missing merida here and that would be the 11 princesses of disney.

>>7312886
People are mad because Disney didn't have to have white leads again, I mean they have a talking snowman, why couldn't they just have a POC lead or something? And I heard a lot of the Saami are actually mad because Frozen took some elements of their culture and white washed it, so yeah people are mad.

Anyways I loved Frozen tho, but I can see where people are coming from. (Also that one girl on tumblr making the amazing Elsa cosplay, hnnng)

>>7312927
Do you know what cultural appropriation is? lol You cant just take a culture's customs and just change them

>>7313047
The dress is literally perfect how did she do all the designs?

>>7313757
Except the majority of the Saami love the film and are quite happy with it.
tumblr isn't exactly a great resource and you should take their words lightly.

>>7313262
Lilo and Stitch is great, but Lilo is actually really ignored when it comes to merchandising. Same with Brother Bear. And someone on tumblr (inb4 shitstorm but it does have a good point) that the least amount of merchandise available for princesses are all the POC princess, with the most being Snow White (which I find kindof bullshit-y because I think among little girls Snow White is definitely not a favorite anymore?)

>>7313294
But just because there were a FEW POC in the ballscene doesn't that just prove that there are POC in the Frozen universe and they could have been the main characters?? I mean I love Anna and Elsa but you have to see the other argument too

>>7313762
Oh come on.

>>7313595
Oh wow that is the perfect fabric for Elsa. Hope you got a lot!

>>7313302
>Italians

Pinocchio

>>7313757
So you think these people are not white?

Please take your SJW-shit elsewhere, the movie was fine and better off without POC's.

Love, Finland.

>>7313767
I was wondering that myself

>>7313781
The point was that there's hardly any POC in the area that Frozen takes place (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, whatever). Hell the black people in the coronation scene don't like in Arendel, they were just there for the ceremony. There's hardly any blacks actually living in that region, ask anyone from there.
It'd make less sense to have one as a main character. We're arguing about proper racial representation and Frozen as it is is accurate enough in that regard.

>>7313851
>don't like in
**don't live in

>>7313781
>Here's my ignorant statement about colored folks in media???? that is so stupid?? that I can't even put a period after it? Thinking is harrrrd, I'm not an ignorant racist because I'm on Tumblr circlejerking for those underprivileged colored folks

>>7313757
>And I heard a lot of the Saami are actually mad because Frozen took some elements of their culture and white washed it, so yeah people are mad.

Yea, I wouldn't take what Tumblr says very seriously. This sounds too much like a situation where someone was like, "I know someone who's mad, but it's actually me projecting. Go forth everyone, tell the world these people are really mad!"

>>7313757
>And I heard a lot of the Saami are actually mad because Frozen took some elements of their culture and white washed it, so yeah people are mad.
lmao are you dumb. They didn't white wash it they just portrayed it wrongly, not everything is about white washing you stupid SJW cunt.

>>7313851
blacks are not the only people in the world who are not white.

>>7313940
>Taking the Saami elements and making them white.
Not white-washing.

>>7313951
I know, I just annoy myself typing POC over and over. Blacks were an example.

>>7311798

Anyone who takes cosplay that seriously tends to be ugly and insecure about it.

<clicks thumbnail>

yup.

>>7313781
the main characters could have been black. but why the fuck does it matter that they werent?
if the movie was the same story either way why the fuck is it such a big deal that the mains were white and not PoC.
its not like there has never been a non-white lead before. there has been a lot actually. lrn2disney.
so whenever there IS a white lead you can't sit there and bitch like the SJW morons on tumblr about how "ablooabloo the lead is a white person but it should be a black person!"
I understand that racism against white people isn't a thing. but thats still being racially prejudiced and I don't care how PoC proud someone is, bitching about the race of a fucking fictional character is retarded and racially prejudiced like your race is better than another race.

Before you all go on... please note that the Sami people put this in a local film fest, they liked it so much.

Also, many of them have light skin. And are blonde.

>>7314085

Yup. I dated a Sami girl for a while, she was the only person I've ever met paler than me, and I'm Scottish and ginger. She was also like, white blonde with blue eyes.

>>7311854

>>7313848
>better off without POC's.

and that is where people's rage comes from.
it's a fairy tale, it doesn't have to be historically anything. So why not just include everyone and stop leaving people out.

Nevermind, it's difficult to get people to understand what it's like for just about all media to not include you. Until it's you and you are forced to think about the implications it's something very hard to fathom.

>>7314507
So you want to go back to the early 90s where minorities were just token characters there to placate you?

>>7312888
yeah and it looks like it came from party city for just 39.99! which is alarming

>>7313172
The costume isn't hurting but yeah I guess that might help

>>7311798
maybe she's like otaku kin bonding with elsa, sure looks/sounds like it

I can't get over the snowflakes and running in front of the garage, she's not the worst singer ever but man holy shit

>>7314507
>So why not just include everyone and stop leaving people out.

I really hate this mindset, because honestly if every disney movie had a slew of Italian, black, mexican, asian, and and egypitian leads people would find something else to complain about. They would need to have a gay character too - but it can't end there, they would need a bisexual one, a transgender, and maybe a cross dresser. One with an abusive past and another with a single mother.

The characters would have to have rainbow hair and rainbow eyes, freckles, braces, various heights, sizes, face shapes and disabilities. No it's not ridiculous to want more diversity in disney movies, but it's impossible to include EVERYONE.

Honestly I think disney does an amazing job making characters that are easy to relate to. I know people of all different shapes, sizes, genders, and races that loved and really connected with Elsa and Anna and many other previous princesses. Because they are mature enough to realize that the story and characters personalities are a lot more important then the pretty blonde packaging.

winrar

and this is just work in progress. really can't wait to see the final shoot

>>7314537

She has the kind of face that looks like it'll be really haggard and old-looking by the time she's 25.

>>7314539
jelly much?

>>7314539
nah, her face is slightly chub (in a good way) so that it will be more difficult to see wrinkles

>>7314537
i guess this is an unpopular opinion in this thread but i feel like the only one who thinks that she doesn't actually look very much like elsa at all...

>>7314537
I really like that wig! (Also, super off topic, whoever this is reminds me of Natalie Dormer, haha.)

>>7314507
Jesus hell. So they didn't pick a "PoC" as a lead, so fucking what. They have tons of "PoC" movies. Want to name them? Jungle Book, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Aladdin, Lilo & Stich, Emperor's New Groove-- let's not mention the less known Disney movies, hm?

So stop your fucking bitching. A good nationality got a lead in a movie. Stop trying to make up reasons that it's not fair that another race/nationality didn't.

As for the fact that "it's a fairy tale, it doesn't have to be historically accurate, ahurdur." What in your right mind are you thinking. Where do you think fairy tales come from? Real life. If something didn't historically happen in real life why in the hell would it benefit to add it to a semi-realistic story?

>>7314537
Thanks man.

>>7314539
So jelly it hurts.

>>7313302
>maori
hurr hurr wut is next movie
>italian
puppet please
>greeks
glad in gladiator

>>7314619
Yeah, I wanted to point out that Moana was going to take place in Polynesia but I didn't want to look stupid if I was wrong about something..

>>7314537
she has a much better face for anna, it's cute not pretty.

>>7314537
She has a cute face, not a pretty one. So she would make a much better anna.

>>7314546
>>7314618
samefag

>>7313762
>You can't just take a culture's customs and just change them

Funny, because cultures change their own cultures all the time.

Humans as a species are always changing, and that includes culture. The combining and changing of cultures is what's made the world as it is today. Cultural appropriation as tumblr sees it is a fucking myth.

>>7313703
>Kida and Megara

Not to mention Esmerelda, Pocahontas, Mulan...

>>7314668
Pocahontas and Mulan are part of the official Disney princess line.

>>7313302
>>7313308
>>7313314

Holy fuck you people are stupid. The Greek and history major in me just fucking exploded. What the fuck are you people taught in school? I didnt even learn this shit in university but elementary school.

-Even if Disney had use the Roman names, which another anon had already pointed out that they didn't, it wouldn't matter because most of Roman culture was taken from the Greeks so it would still be 'Greek'. Romans were all about the cultural appropriation. Its how they were able to control such a large empire.
-Do people honestly believe that Greek people are PoCs because we aren't. This isnt the first time I have come across this belief on cgl either. I'm as fucking white as they come. Sure my skin might have an olive tint and if I stand in the sun for too long I get a awesome tan but I am white so why would you be fighting for us to have a film?

I mad.

>>7314687
But they're not actually princesses.

Mulan married a General, and Pocahontas married some random white asshole.

>>7314736
To be fair, greeks used to look less white.

Not really all that dark, but definitely less white.

Of course, then they could also make the argument that Disney doesn't have a movie about Germans, or Russians, or what the fuck ever other country is just full of more mostly white people.

>>7314763
Pocahontas was the Chief's daughter of her tribe, I'm not too sure about Native American culture but I think being a Chief's daughter is the closest you can get to princess.

>>7314763
Pocahontas was the princess of her tribe.

>>7314514 where minorities were just token characters there to placate you?

Wow, no one should be a token. Fuck you and fuck off. That was wrong too and you know it.


>>7314533
That's cool. I get what you are saying. I'm asking for the actual populace to be represented. Not tiny groups here and there. It gets a little old to open up a magazine/watch something and see the only things the faces in there have in common with you is eyes, nose and a mouth when you damn well know 12-15% of the people I should see should look something like me.


>>7314564
>Want to name them? Jungle Book, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Aladdin, Lilo & Stich, Emperor's New Groove

Oh the one and done mentality. I like that argument a lot. Everyone go home, argument is over. Everyone got one movie and everything is equal now.
You sir are an idiot who cannot fathom life outside their own understanding of the world.

>>If something didn't historically happen in real life why in the hell would it benefit to add it to a semi-realistic story?

I don't think you thought out what you typed here. All kinds of crazyass bullshit that is not reality based happens in fairy tales. Think about that for one brief second. Sure history can have something to do with fairy tales but it doesn't have to.

Disney reasonably could have taken Frozen and set it in some Inuit tribe in North America. They have no trouble taking other stories and butchering them to their liking. This could have been an interesting opportunity to do something different and teach some little girls and boys about people who don't look just like them.

>>7314768
Pretty much this. Powhatan was the paramount chief of a network of tributary tribal nations in the Tidewater region of Virginia which meant that she was regarded as a "royalty" in England when she visited there. Ya its a weak argument but you cant really have a native american princess when that area didnt have a monarchy.

>>7314780
>>7314514 knows, fuckface. It was sarcastic and pointing out that your reasoning is exactly like the assholes in the 90s who did that shit to "include everyone". Go back to tumblr already.

>>7314764
sleeping beauty and snow white are german...

>>7314780
Wouldnt you rather have them make a movie with Inuit people based on their own folk-tales? PPPFT SO IGNORANT.

>>7314780
The whole point about Disney is diversity. If this movie had main characters as PoC instead of white girls from Norway, I think that many Norwegians would be upset.

The story that Frozen is based off of is a Dutch story that took place in Europe where there were no many PoC, especially for the time period the story was produced in.

Taking Frozen and "putting it in some Inuit tribe in North America" would have gone against the original story (see above paragraph, also google The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson) and made many fans of the original story angry.

Look, I've worked with children, they don't differentiate from black, white, yellow, anything. Not unless they have a strong influence in the family or they're older. Frozen is a chance to explore a new culture that most don't get to. By choosing to base Frozen in Norway they showed how life was in or around the 1700s with the architecture, clothing, jobs, etc.

I don't think enough people think about that.

>>7314797
TBH, I don't think Frozen even takes enough from the original story to be considered a rendition of it.

At least in their other stories, the basic plot was the same (with the exception of the added happy ending) and the characters were mostly the same.

Frozen has... a snow queen. An innocent girl. A frozen heart.

That's about it.

However, it's still clearly located somewhere in Scandanavia, and as you said, there were no people there that weren't white. People keep bringing up the fucking Sami, but they're white too. Slightly tanned and some of the older photos show some with frostbite on their faces, but they're white.

I think there are people assuming, "Oh! It's a tribe of native peoples! They must have dark skin, despite living in a region where dark skin is a completely useless evolutionary trait!"

>>7313319
They didnt go with the Roman names you idiot, they used the Greek names.

For example: Zeus is Greek. The Roman equivalent to Zeus is Jupiter. Pretty sure it was Zeus in the movie, not Jupiter.

>>7314816
Everyone in the movie had Greek names but Hercules who had a Roman name. (At least I'm pretty sure)

>>7314820
Thats probably because Americans are dumb and if you said Heracles to them they wouldn't know who you were talking about because they think like this:

Hercules-> Greek Hero-> Kevin Sorbo

>>7313302
>Asian Indians
The Jungle Book.

Also, India has their own Disney movie that wasn't released anywhere else: Arjun: The Warrior Prince.

>>7314664
This fucking here.

Seriously, SJW shit needs to stop.

>>7313762

Quit your whining and get back on topic.

Pic related not great just meh.

>>7314833
This was my show when I was 11 though.

>>7314833
OH and before anyone gets all butthurt on behalf of Greeks because evil Disney used Roman pronunciation for English speaking countries I guarantee you it was just released as "Heracles" in Greece. Also no fucks were given by us living in North America that people call him Hercules. Fun crazy Greek uncle fact: My uncle bought those plastic Hercules plates from MacDonalds and hung them on his wall because "Greek Pride" and he has one of those fake fabric flame cauldrons you can get at Halloween that he claims is his "Olympic flame" hanging over his stairway.

>>7314845
Mine too.

And now to make this post kinda on topic to the thread here have this cleanly made Anna gown pic that makes me go HNNNNG from the clean construction.

>>7314871
I like the construction but the colours of the print are wrong

>>7314871
That's absolutely beautiful. Did she use appliqué or paint or what..? It is clean and just wow.

I really like that the cosplayer went with box pleats instead of strips of fabric over a green skirt. Makes it so that its always laying even.

>>7314877
>"The designs were hand drawn first on a paper mock up of a panel and then cut out into a custom stencil that was then used to trace the design onto heat n’ bonded material. Cutting the little pieces took many hours to do and we made the mistake of not tracing enough of the pieces in certain directions. afterwards they were measured and painstakingly laid out of the pleated sections and steamed into place. "

Quoted from the tumblr post said.

>>7314871
That is the most beautiful Anna skirt I've seen so far. I can't wait to see the full look come together!

>>7314890
Holy fuck...

>>7314796
>>Wouldnt you rather have them make a movie with Inuit people based on their own folk-tales? PPPFT SO IGNORANT.

That would be nice. While we are at it lets get in our time machine and take Lion King out of Africa and put in an actual African tale. Oh and maybe put some humans in it so it won't be a cop out on showing black people in Africa.

See Disney has no problem relocating tales.

Frozen wouldn't have been any different.

>>7314890
>Spend hours doing painstaking detail work
>Inaccurate
Seriously bitch? It looks clean and shit but it's not embroidered, and for a movie that spent hundreds of hours working on animated fabrics and embroidery, it's pretty inexcusable.

>>7314879
>I really like that the cosplayer went with box pleats instead of strips of fabric over a green skirt.


wrapping my head around the math to get it to look right. It would take me days and many tears.

>>7314901
Besides the fact that the entire story it was based off of was made in Europe. Changing the setting would change the entire story base, which would change the characters, which would basically make a whole new movie. Or are you just asking to relocate Frozen to a different country while keeping the same story?

It's fine to want a movie with "PoC" as a main character but don't bitch because this movie about a great nationality didn't get to be all about "PoC".

>>7314901
B-but there's actually a famous Lion King play on Broadway in NYC. It's magical.

>>7314912
No kidding... It was apparently 60 panels. Here's the tumblr. http://cupcakecosplay.tumblr.com

In before people complain about who the cosplayers are bc I know ppl have beefs with them.

>>7314901
Ok.

>>7314901
Lion King has been a Broadway show for years, you ignorant cunt. Now go back to tumblr where you belong.

>>7314901
Would anyone really want that though? Disney was quite into playing into stereotypes at the time, even more so than they are now; Any character in Aladdin (minus protags) and the Huns in Mulan, for example. What do you think would happen to a story set in Africa.

>>7314564
>semi-realistic
>magical frozen kingdom
>talking snowman
>reindeer with one horn that acts like a dog
>trolls

what

>>7314911
>Or are you just asking to relocate Frozen to a different country while keeping the same story?

this.

>>7314915
>>7314922
>>7314926
Were we talking about the play? No we weren't. Different kettle of fish.

>>7314927
>What do you think would happen to a story set in Africa.

Hopefully something that looks like this.
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>>7311798
thank you for posting this, I needed a good laugh

>>7314941
Did you know that the Lion King is actually just the play Hamlet. So Disney already has taken a white story and planted it into another country. Would you ever be willing to even consider that the reason they used animals instead of people was because Disney is all about merchandising and it's easier to sell stuff animals to both genders than dolls to just little girls?

>>7314941
I'm just going to ignore moving Frozen to a different country because it's pure ignorance and completely offensive to the author of the story it is loosely based off of.

We're talking about Disney and it's adaptations to "PoC". Everyone who said the Broadway play made a valid point. I think you're also forgetting things like Disney Channel and the "it's a small world" show on disney.com which is about all different races (I can't tell you anymore than that because I haven't watched it).

I think it's ignorant to want to make every single Disney movie about "PoC" when in real life that doesn't always happen because there are all different races/nationalities.

>>7314973
Did you know that the Lion King just ripped off Tezuka's 'Leo' rather than Hamlet ?

>>7314839
Oh god, I need to find this. Also english subbed versions of the Mahabharata dramas that are always on.

>>7314901
We are not allowed to argue about the Lion King without first pointing out they ripped it off from the anime Kimba the White Lion.

>>7314987
Did you know that 1997 is after 1599 and that Leo was based on Hamlet!?

BOOM!

>>7314996
Fucking auto correct I meant 1960 but the argument of you looking stupid for thinking a Shakespeare ripped off a Japanese man in the future still stands.

>>7314973
>Did you know that "She's The Man" is actually the play The Twelfth Night?
>Did you know that "Warm Bodies" is actually the play Romeo and Juliet?
>Did you know that the movie "10 Things I hate about you" is actually the Taming of the Shrew?
>Did you know that "My Own Private Idaho" is based on the Henry IV plays?
Did you know that almost every modern romance story can be linked to Shakespeare? Forget that Disney is a film company that makes money from telling stories in contexts that children can enjoy, just like every other film company?
Did you know that Tangled was based off the story Rupunzel?
Did you know that Snow White was based off the story Snow White?
Should I even continue, you dumb fuck? Who cares about adaptions of stories, let's just sit back and enjoy the creation and art, not argue about "WHO WROTE IT FIRST AND THEY STOLE THE IDEA AND MADE MONEY OFF IT CONSUMERISM!L!;l1k!!!!!"

>>7314987
This. Dear god, why do people keep saying Hamlet when it was the biggest straight up rip off of Kimba: the white lion. Uneducated street rats.

>>7314996
Are you fucking for real nigga?

>>7311798
What is with that Sarah Dostal?
>Are you referring to me in your comment? If so, no I definitely can't sing as I never took lessons nor sang in my whole life. Wish I could, I give her credit for at least making an attempt at Elsa. (Especially Elsa's voice is like her personality pain stricken and vulnerable).
This woman is taking every comment on this video personally. The fuck.

can we go back to talking about cosplay rather than arguing with tumblr fags please

>>7314797
>The whole point about Disney is diversity. If this movie had main characters as PoC instead of white girls from Norway, I think that many Norwegians would be upset.

It'd be kinda like taking a story from, say, the middle of Africa and making the main character white.

It's dumb.

>>7312647
yeah it actually starts out as a full french braid, then she pulls the bangs/front free of the braid, so it's just a regular braid when she turns into her snow queen outfit

Jesus fuck, where are the mods when you need them. Go talk about this shit on /an/ or /co/ or /pol, this is for cosplay.

I'm waiting for my rhinestones and gems in the mail, husbands out of town so we can't pick the up until Wednesday even though they're at the local post office EURGH. I accidentally ordered the wrong shape ones for the top (10x14mm instead of 10x17mm) because fucking taobao cleared my shopping cart and I put the wrong ones back in. I'll just have to deal with it until I can order new ones fuck. Also there's nowhere to get cheap large containers of craft glitter or metallic paper where I live, only expensive as fuck scrapbooking stores that carry tiny containers.

>>7314996
You are stupied, taht's means Tezuka's work is inspired by Shakespear but it was he who did the "let's turn Hamlet into cute animals and let's make it takes place in Africa", not Disney, and that was the point. Disney didn't re adapt anything new from Hamlet, they just took the idea already made by Tezuka. The Lion King is a great film, but I'm tired of hearing that's a genius move and stuff. It's not, it's totally ripped of.

>>7314871
that is lovely.

>>7315022
I figured she was related to the cosplayer. Looks like someone's mom or aunt...

Disney's not the only company making animation movies. So if you're not pleased with Disney you might try other alternatives. Hell, try watching TV that isn't american, try idk, african tv or something. You might realize there is a difference.

>>7315032
My question is, are any people inverting their braids? It IS inverted in the film and on the face character's wig, but anything else I've seen e.g. Disney's other merch, they have given her a normal braid, perhaps for ease of illustration to just get things done and set for merch.

I mean, I know how to braid hair both ways, but are other cosplayers going to be like "UR BRAID IS UPSIDE DWN GURRRL". Not a big enough offense to land on cgl in a bad cosplay thread, but are people going with accuracy or how we most commonly do braids?

>>7314901
Except that in Africa there's no such thing as princesses or fairy tales, and all of the folk stories are about stealing or being cunning and sly to get one over on someone else. There is nothing genuinely African that can be adapted into something suitable for children. There will never be an African disney movie because fairy tales are European.

My hans is awful, her Elsa is amazing

>>7315438
Shes ok wouldn't say amazing though

>>7315457

Yeah, i do need to remember the Bias that dating has on a person. But, i still feel she did a good job on it though.

>>7315460
She is really pretty!

>>7315028
Thoughts on this?

>>7315438
you're wrong, both of you are awful.

>>7315504
Never heard of this movie but tbh I'm not that surprised that they're casting well known Hollywood actors so that they can use them to market the movie. Does it suck that they're not casting Egyptians? Yep, but they're going to cast worldwide names that people will recognise on posters. Gerard Butler and Geoffrey Rush are big names and Nikolaj is becoming more famous thanks to GoT.

>>7314904
Wait, what?

>>7314904
Although I think the bodice on that dress is, I'm still not positive whether or not the skirt is.

>>7314904
Errrrrrr...the designs on that dress weren't embroidered. If anything, it's a woven design, a la brocade, and are you really going to criticize a person for not weaving their own fabric?

>>7316250
the bodice is definitely embroidered.
As for the skirt, from zooming into the left side of the skirt this picture it looks like all the parts of the pattern have been appliqued on. But in reality that is impractical for anyone on.

>>7316250
>>7316284
sorry dropped my image

>>7316250
I was thinking that too.
It'll be interesting how the non-shitty cosplays interpret the design as no one will weave their own fabric.

>>7315460
>>7315438
Why do so many people get the braid on the wrong side?

>>7315017
The second is based on Romeo and Juliet, makes sense that it's Hamlet huh?

>>7316454

Because they don't know how to fucking mirror a picture

>>7316454
They probably never thought to bring their ref pics in addition to >>7316582's point about not understanding how to mirror.

Maybe it sounds mental but I always make up something to help me remember things like that: For Elsa, I just need to remember her braid goes on the opposite side as the skirt slit. Skirt slit is on the right, braid needs to go on the left.

I also leave reference pics on my phone or tablet when I go to cons so I can quickly check things without dragging around paper or artbooks.

>>7316454
i think part of it might be that most people are right handed so they will just pull the hair to that side and start braiding without thinking about it

Autosaging and made a new thread here >>7316846