/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>fucking Ancient Egyptians
you got it

>>7200044
This is so gorgeous!

40's

>>7200044
she has such tiny cute feet o3o

>>7200044
Nice idea, but the print has nothing to do with egypt. This would be better if she was wearing a non print dress

>>7200101
Does it have to tho? It's a nice stylized thing.

>>7200105
It just makes it look off. Like if you had someone wearing the AP witch hat with a Christmas print. Generally you should 'stick to the theme'.

>>7200143
I do see what you mean now. It is a bit jarring. It does make me want some egyptian print though. unf.

>>7200160
Well, there would be nice fabric out there for something like this but I already can see social justice idiots ruining it.

I wish there were some 1910s beaded tea dress inspired dresses. It would be a tricky silhouette to work in though.

I think this is Moss Badger and it's based on a medieval painting.

oh Meta you and your 1960s stewardess line

years and years

Everything in this thread is perfect.

>>7200526
Yess. Unfortunately most of the fashion eras I'm obsessed with (1920's, Regency, Byzantine, late Medieval/early Renaissance Northern Europe) don't translate well to the lolita silhouette at all. Just incorporating the patterns wouldn't be the same, but compromise too much of what makes lolita lolita and... well, it's not lolita anymore. It really is tricky.

I have a question and need /cgl/'s honesty
For a pirate larp character I want to wear this. It's a larp shirt, larp belt and a skirt from Bodyline.
Do you guys think it will look good? Not as lolita ofcourse.

I have a question and need /cgl/'s honesty
For a pirate larp character I want to wear this. It's a larp shirt, larp belt and a skirt from Bodyline.
Do you guys think it will look good? Not as lolita ofcourse.

>>7200938
I'm not a fan of added corsets over high-waist skirts, but it doesn't look all that bad.

>>7200796
I love retro inspired lolita by brands, but I hate when girls take retro/rockabilly dresses and call them lolita.

>>7200044
this wins, everyone go the fuck home

>>7200177
for the love of god, PLEASE do not make a dress with that fabric

>>7200951
Can't look worse than all those overall paint print dresses as long as it is only used at the skirt part.

>>7200951
It would look nice as a border of the cream/white skirt or a belt similar to that of a Mozarabic Chant.

>>7200941
Thanks for your reply. I dont like the corset much either so I might try to adjust it a bit. Either way I'll wear the belt over it :)

>>7200938
Adding a belt ontop of the high waisted skirt is a bit weird, you dont need that. It will just add bulk to your waist which is the opposite of what you want.

>>7200951
It'd make a good border for something but not a whole dress

>>7201073
You've got a good point, I'll look into a lower waist skirt or maybe adjusting this one. Thanks for the advice.

Here's a nice pirate lolita to stay on topic

>>7199652
Requesting ancient egypt lolita.
This has the potential to be awesome.

>>7201204
>7200044

>>7199652
The corset isn't the right shape for Tudor. It needs to be conical.

0/10 must do better.

>>7201248
>a historically inspired lolita outfit needs to be 100% accurate to the time period

>>7201346
Yeah. If you change up the silhouette, it's not really lolita anymore.

Anon, I think they were either kidding around or jelly.

>>7201248
THIS. glad someone else noticed this. wearing a tudor hood does not a tudor outfit make. that collar ruff is also not the most appropriate....those were more often found on elizabethan gowns.

>>7201346
Go loli or go home. If you can't make your period clothing lolita, then stop trying. If you really want to wear/make period clothing, then go ahead. It will be objectively superior to anything lolita anyway.

>>7200797
This is exactly the dress I have been fantasizing about for the past three years. It exists?? Where can I buy it?

>>7201654
It's from Vivcore but not available anymore. There was a big drama bomb when some girl bought one and gave it a negative review, then the designer came in and said that nobody should replicate it because she designed it after years of research (even though it's just a basic short chemise a la reine that seamstresses and costumers have been making variations of for centuries) and Vivcore slowly faded from the lolita scene after that. Now she makes custom retro 50s type stuff.
Your best bet is to just commission one from a seamstress.

>>7201474
aaah that under...dress? skirt?

>>7200975
>Can't look worse
that's not really something you should aim for

>>7201654
>>7201717
Fan Plus Friend has something slightly similar. Quality looks a little meh though.

>>7201505
But the outfit is lolita. First you say it's not period enough, now you're saying it's not lolita.

>>7201654
You can't. Vivcore finally took it off her store after receiving enough complaints about the quality of the actual dress vs. her stock photos.

Best bet is to find a seamstress.

>>7202389

>>7202391

>>7202393

>>7202401

>>7202401
>>7202402
misfire? these don't look particularly historical?

I love everything in this thread <3

>>7202401
Who is this? She is almost as lovely as glorious Fanny-sama below.

>>7203153
Charmmy Loli but she disappeared ages ago.

>>7201952
would wear

>>7203169
Drama noob here. Charmmy Loli is different from Charlotte Charms/Spooky trip? I thought Charlotte Charms did lolita at one point, before the choker thing, but I didn't think she was any good.

>>7200044
It's very lovely, but she's wearing tights with toe seams with her strappy sandals. Gurl, either invest in sandal-foot stockings or find new shoes.

Is pirate lolita generally looked down upon as too costumey? I'm new to lolita and I think some of the coords in the skirt thread - particularly the corset/high-wasted skirts - are gorgeous. The aesthetic appeals to me a lot but I don't know if pirate/pirate-inspired styles are frowned upon for beginners.

>>7203228
Charms sure wasn't into lolita 7 years ago.

>>7203260
Makes sense. Does anyone have pics of Spooky/Charlotte in lolita? I'd like to see the face behind the choker scandal. I still can't believe she tried to sell it like no one would remember.

>>7203406
Ask in the general thread.

>>7203252
The answer to questions like this is always: nobody will care that you're new if you do it well. You can show up with a frilly eyepatch, huge tricorn hat and deco'd wooden leg to every meet and people will still like it as long as you look ridiculously fabulous. Thing is, mostly people can't pull this off. Especially not beginners, which you're probably aware of if you're asking this question. And yeah, it's definitely better not to go overboard if you're not sure you can ace it.
I suggest you look at AAtP for inspiration. Their stuff is still costumey, sometimes overly so, but it's undoubtably lolita. Of course you don't need a full AAtP outfit to be acceptable but you can use their look for reference when you build your wardrobe. If you're not yet confident in your coordinating skills, start with very toned-down outfits with a piratey 'feel' and work your way up from there. You can always ask for advice in our coord threads.

shame that itaqueen is trying to sell this dress now

>>7204416
i haven't even posted it up yet! (it's really short on me and the money would be nice :V. plus i just don't wear it that often anymore)

>>7200938
Looks more like Luke Skywalker and less like a pirate to me, but pretty cute either way.

>>7204416
God wants to buy it. He needs something to coordinate with his tricorner hat. :3

>>7204776
that's my hat lmao, he just likes to borrow it to feel fancy

>>7202391
Why is this dress so short on her? I own it and it's definitely knee-length on me, and I'm 3 inches taller than her. It obviously still looks amazing, I'm just a little confused.

>>7200044
i'm not a practicing lolita but i love looking at the style of dress and different coords. and THIS... THIS is a fucking masterpiece. a beautiful representation of ancient egyptian lolita. but i agree that it would look even better without a print or at least a themed print.

>>7205092
Petticoat, torso, boobs, angles. A lot of factors, anon.

>>7205406
>practicing lolita

Is that like being a practicing christian? practicing buddhist? Is lolita a religion now?

>in b4 lifestyler answers yes

>>7204416
Lovely outfit! May I ask, where did you get that satchel?
(new to /cgl/ so I was confused about why they called you itaqueen hahaha)

Does anyone have any experience with this outfit? I might buy it but would love to see it on other people/other coords first

>>7205802
Don't

>>7205802
LOL, get the fuck out

>>7205805
>>7205815
What? Why? What's so bad about it?
It's not to wear as daily clothes ofcourse, more of a costume

>>7205852
just let steampunk die, anon
anyways, the apron looks hideous and the whole dress is really just a mess. FPF always adds too much to their dresses, god damn.
however, there ARE nicer dresses on FPF.
also that dress is hardly historical.
listen to the other anons, just dont buy that.

>>7205872
Damn anon, you're probably right...but I still somehow like it a lot...
I wanted to have a gipsy-pirate costume with some lolita-influence for a convention, maybe with a simple off-the-shoulder blouse under it and maybe with this (pic) over it.
I know it's a lot of layers but that's what I think of when I think gipsy.
I'm not too fond of the cogs so I'd hide those somehow or sew something over it...

Any Southern Belle co-ords?

>>7205901
You just need to stop talking. Stop justifying your need for something horrendous in both concept and execution.

>>7205802

Rename the image and use Victorian instead of Steampunk

>>7205939
someone find this and make it a thing now

>>7205788
found it at a garage sale, haha (and i chose the itaqueen handle for myself, i thought it was funny)

>>7205973
What do you mean?

>>7205961
Chill your vag. You sound like a child.

>>7205901
Check yourself, girlfriend.

>>7205979
Darn! It's a really nice satchel
>and i chose the itaqueen handle for myself, i thought it was funny
Awesome, I love people who don't take themselves too seriously
Looked you up on google by the way, nice outfits! :)

>>7205802

Man I remember seeing the bottom part of that skirt in a stock photo for a coat, and thinking it was like a regular tiered ruffle skirt with a shawl tied around the waist and going WANT, but then I looked and saw that high waist and embroidery and all the fucking WHY around the bodice and was sad.

I'll just...make my own skirt and shawl thing.

>>7205901
Why are you trying to combine all of that together in one outfit? You've got steampink, plus lolita, plus pirate, plus gypsy.

You are probably into this idea that such a combination is unique, which I guess it is. But you will look like a hot mess. You'd be trying to mash two themes and two fashions all together, and nobody -- not even people who like steampunk and lolita -- will recognise who you are trying to be. If you take two themes (especially themes that have no direct relation to each other, such as pirate with gypsy) and run with them, viewers will try to figure out what they all have in common, and will very likely fail. Accessories, boots, clothes, all pieces give signals to viewers of what the outfit is, and you can only wear so much at one time in a themed outfit. Doing two themes will just decrease the signalling effect. If you have to explain who you are at a steampunk convention, your outfit fails.

Not to mention, lolita aesthetic has a certain “polished" look, and balancing it with the grungy steampunk while still making it look good is a very difficult thing to do.

I think you would have better luck just on building a pirate lolita coord, or a military lolita coord.

>>7206295
Yeah you make a good point, I'll look into something else. Thanks for the advice.

Why are white people so perfect? Their fashion was always so pretty. Rococo, Victorian, the traditional clothing. Lace, bell skirts.... It's all so beautiful and feminine. It wasn't until black culture went mainstream that shit went to tennis shoes and T-shirts.

>>7206494
>Fashion has developed so it became more accessible to people who didn't have much money rather than being exclusive to people who had money, the 1960s is a big example of this

Ok then, blame black people

>>7206501
Fashion had always been more decorative, even among the less-wealthy. They made their own clothing, and were more concerned with looking nice. Back then, being prim was a good thing. However, black people made poor cool, so now fashion is unformal and ugly as fuck. Picture related, modern celebrity street fashion. It's disgusting.

Reminds me of Wild West.

>>7206501
This, plus casual fashion always has a history of becoming formal after long periods of time. The tuxedo used to be considered a casual dinner suit and now is the fanciest thing a man can wear. Denim was primarily work-wear and is now making its way into our offices.

>>7206512
You have to be really fucking hick to think denim is formal. There is no way you can possibly deny how ugly fashion has gotten. There was a time when people did not want to be associated with degenerates. Black people made drug dealers and pimps cool. Modern whites wear the most boring shit on the planet now.

>>7206523
Spoiler: white people invented jeans

Also all the "feminine elegance" you're referencing was only the super-rich. During Marie Antoinette's time most people were poverty-stricken peasants wearing shit-stained work clothes that got washed once a year at best.

>>7206506
HNNNG THAT DRESS.

>>7206530
Was it true that people used to wee through a hole in their bloomers in those times? Or was my art teacher bullshitting me? (Ok I can google this but just wanted to say this anyway)

>>7206530
>>white people invented jeans
And we wore them as work cloths, until blacks made working class a good thing. In the 20's, both woman and me knew how to fucking dress themselves. Appearing as respectable was important, and woman's clothing was actually feminine. Woman's clothing had always been feminine and beautiful, until blacks ruined our culture with disgusting ebonic culture.

>>7206543
Can you please stop trying to derail this thread? At least contribute relevant pictures if you're going to soapbox about off-topic shit.

>>7206537
>>7206540

>>7206547
Nigger, I've been contributing to this thread for a while now. You don't know what else I post, you dirty coon. I'll talk if I want.

>>7206523
Are you... retarded? I never said denim was formal, I said that it's been a historical trend for garments to become more formal over time. When the modern-day jean was invented, they were meant for heavy manual labor, and were worn over trousers. In the 50s, they were only for very casual wear, and were banned in many establishments. Even a few decades ago, girls weren't allowed to wear them to school. Nowadays, basically half of the general public will be wearing jeans, and it's allowed in some offices, as well.

What I'm trying to say is that what you're seeing is due to the march of history. It happened with the fucking toga, and maybe a few hundred years from now people will look back at our "ghetto" clothes and think, "Wow, how elegant!"

>>7206533
This is true. Actually, only in France was it even popular to wear undergarments with legs (because they too much resembled trousers), so theirs had a hole in it to pee through, because it would be totally impossible to get around your layers otherwise. The other countries thought this was really vulgar and got around the issue by not wearing drawers at all.

What they did for their periods, I don't know.

>>7206553
Whenever I look back at history I do wonder, HOW THE FUCK DID THEY COPE. I assume they used rags (and that's where the term 'on the rag' comes from), and didn't wear bloomers with a hole.

>>7206552
No. Our ghetto clothing is extremly boring. Something that is worn to cover the genitals, and nothing more. There is no decoration, and no beauty. Only shitty ass cloths that niggers made popular with jungle beats. Things that are thought of as elegant are aesthetically pleasing, which jeans and Nike's are not. Flowers and embroidery, with emphasis on the shape of the dress. That is what we gave up.

>>7206556
Maybe they used crocheted tampons.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL

>>7206559
I looks more like a sperm to me.

>>7206563
> inb4 someone jumps me for wrong vocabulary

Spermatozoon I mean

>>7206556
Yup, that's where the euphemism for being "on the rag" comes from.

>>7206559
Actually, tampons made of softened papyrus, lint, and wool were used in the ancient world.

http://www.lunette.com/index.php?id=40

>>7206506
The embroidery on this reminds me that one day, I'd love to be able to create a coord based on Slovak folk costume. Some of that shit can be tacky, but a lot of it is really pretty.

>>7206150
thank you :>

>>7206503
Stop invalidating your good point about today's shit casual "fashion" with your contrived racism.

>>7206494
>as alw
Did you mean to say

>why are wealthy people so perfect

because poor white people's fashion wasn't all that grand, unless you think rags made from rewoven-rewoven-rewoven and patched cloth are the height of style.

>>7206585
This is what I plan when I ever do get my beloved Porz Kerchief

>>7206695
Keep telling yourself that other cultures are as equal in beauty to the white race. We are superior in aesthetics, fashion, and art. And every other way, for that matter. We rule the world. Picture related, an African free from white oppression. She's beautiful, no?

>>7206553
I found this website I mess to navigate, but I remember spending a good couple hours reading here
http://www.mum.org/

Lots of interesting things were used, moss, grass, crazy metal contraptions, whatever

But from what I remember from the period (Hehe) of time where women didnt wear underwear under their dresses even for menstruation, simply did just bleed out. But because women got pregnant nearly all the time it was hardly ever they needed to menstruate, and even for a while considered menstruating a illness because of how rare it was.

>>7206701
Don't act as if white people never did retarded shit to their bodies.

>>7206701

I remember there was a tumblr who made lolita polyvore sets for various historical eras... I can't remember who made them, but I think this was meant to be late 18th century/early 19th?

>>7206494
welp, that didn't take long
gg cgl

>>7206701
You keep spamming this shit in our threads. Are you really that insecure?

>>7206499
>>7206547
>>7206585
i love this

I always wondered who ended up buying this dress.

>>7206710
Traditional European body mods. I love how you niggers ignore the fact that your WHOLE CULTURE is a culture of degeneracy, then defend it with "b-but some white people are stupid!" White culture =pretty
Your culture=shit

>>7206734
It just depresses me how bad blacks ruined our society.

>>7201474
Source for this skirt/dress?

http://www.yayahan.com/shop

She made every thing in the shop would u buy anything from her?

>>7206726
That tiny lock on the window ruined it for me

>>7207407
> Historical Lolita thread
> Yaya Han
> MFW this post

>>7204739
How tall are you? I always planned on getting that dress at some point, but I'm nervous about the length.

>>7204739
I saw a picture of who I am 99% sure was you wearing the black Lace Print corset skirt by Alice in the Pirates. Do you still have it? Would you by chance ever sell it in the future?

>>7206543
Do you listen to music?

>>7207441
5'6" or so

>>7201484
The sleeves are wrong, the corset shape, the neckline should be low and square.

>>7206510
Who is this?? I've seen some of her other outfits and they are dropdead gorgeous.

>>7207403
4o'clock
facebook URL: /4oclockbylindafriesen

>>7207637
Sirusc on lj

>>7206556
I once read a historical account saying that some women didn't wear anything special at all on their period, so wherever they walked they left behind a snail-like trail of blood.

>>7208859
Way to lead predators to yourself.

>>7199652
Maybe I'm crazy, but am I the only person who thought the girl in OP's picture was cosplaying Princess Anastasia in lolita?

>>7208900
shit, now I want to do an actual coord based on this photo

>>7208900
someone did once do a Russian court inspired outfit

>>7209054
selfpost

IW likes to coord this more victorian, but it's really more of a 1700s cut.

>>7204174
>deco'd wooden leg
I wish this was real.

>>7209170
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfqkfaAXPK1qgxzu1o1_500.jpg

Yes it does anon (ok maybe not the way you imagine it)

>>7209134
This is going to sound weird and selfposty but that girl's face really suits the no/minimal makeup historical look. She really looks like the sort of lady you'd see in an old oil painting. I'm glad she found a look that suits her rather than trying to look kawaii nihon like many other lolitas (who do it for good reason, sure).
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

>>7209179
Needs more fake pearls.

>>7209196
>She really looks like the sort of lady you'd see in an old oil painting.

Absolutely.

>>7209061
Uh, no? That photo has been posted here tons of times.

>>7209061
lol no

this photo shows up in every historical lolita thread, just like a bunch of the others.

>>7209312
>>7209237
whoops, lol no mind

>>7209054
I'm offended by how bad that looks.

>>7209061
>>7209337
samefag

>>7209343
fagfag

It's not an attractive dress, the sash looks like she wrapped some random scarf around herself, and that hat...really? No accessories, wrinkled fabric and puckered sewing. Yeah, nah.

>>7209351
You sound bitter. Did your mother abandon you as a child?

>>7209054
It looks like she painted that dress with gold paint.

>>7209356
Different anon, but you sound butthurt.

I want a ship hat

also apparently Marie Antoinette herself never wore one of those

>the more you know

I have a question. I want to make a dress inspired by pic related, but would the exposed shoulders be unacceptable in lolita?

>>7209628
I would say so, especially since an off-the-shoulder neckline like that also tends to expose cleavage and that's a major no-no.

>>7209628
>>7209636
There are a few indie brand dresses with exposed shoulders, but they rarely appear in brand. I think the indie ones are pretty.

Also, they don't always expose cleavage.

>>7209628
Not unacceptable. IW recently released an OP with exposed shoulders. I think it would look nice.

>>7209636
>>7209643
>>7209661
Thanks for the replies. I think I will probably bring up the neckline so that it's sitting right at the edge of the shoulder (a little higher than in the picture) and not showing any cleavage.

>>7209628
I think if it was an off the shoulder with some small straps added, maybe? I've seen brand dresses like that. Or with some kind of lace overlay that led up to a high collar, so it was like a faux off the shoulder neckline?

>>7201100
Does anyone know who this girl is?

>>7211217
>http://d.hatena.ne.jp/crystaline/

>>7209170
deco limbs are quite real

Red Maria got some nice hats:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-1823682642.11.FVzmdt&id=20525112522

>>7215645
I almost wish I lost a limb just so I could wear something like that. It's so beautiful.