/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>7051675
On paper, I think people can cosplay whatever they want. Problem is that lots of people are stupid about it.

>>7051678
> I think people can cosplay whatever they want¨
I agree, but that doesn't mean they should.

And yes people are really stupid about it.

Yes, people can (and should) cosplay any character they want. But you're not obligated to think that their cosplay is good, so quit acting like it's such an injustice. Just move on if you don't like it.

>>7052374
back to tumblr with you

>>7052384
>implying that's even close to what tumblr thinks
You're talking about a site that would treat you like you're bullying someone if you don't like their cosplay.

>>7052486
Tumblr wasn't even mentioned. Sorry I'm not the spokesperson for the entire website

>>7052501
>back to tumblr with you
>Tumblr wasn't even mentioned
>wat

Captcha: persons westeem

>>7052501
Are you twelve?

>>7052486
YOU DONT LIKE FAT PEOPLE IN BIKINIS AND MEN DRESSING UP IN RATTY WIGS YOU CLOSE MINDED BIGOT WE'LL BULLY YOU TILL YOU LEAVE

Honestly, just do what you want. Cosplay whatever you want. Apart from /cgl/ and fratbois, no1currs. We're all just weirdos in costume.

> mfw landwhales are being attention whores, though, and complaining that oh no, people don't think we're beautiful and healthy and y u no taek pic of my 'curves'?

Like do what you want, but don't expect there to be no consequences. That's why I only partially agree with the vid. CAN and SHOULD are two very different things.

>>7051675
People CAN and SHOULD cosplay any character for any reason if they want to. yeah I hate those lard whales that think they're the character they cosplay as much as the next guy, but I have no right to tell them they can't do that just because it doesn't do justice for the character.

People keep repeating "Hurr well you can cosplay anything you want but don't be surprised when people have opinions," uh okay, well you can also be a fucking jerk over a cosplay that you don't like--but don't be surprised when you're ostracized for being a hyper judgmental jackass when you make that opinion public, and viewable by the person you're criticizing. It works both ways.

Sure, we do it here all the time on cgl but for the most part people are anonymous. So it makes fucking sense why people vent all of their dislike about something here. They can't say what they want in real life because they know it's WRONG. If making nasty comments over a cosplay you don't like were completely 100% justifiable then nobody would feel cowardly about it. And whatever, you know? It's human nature to be critical, but it doesn't mean that it's always right and that there should be no consequences for the shit you say.

That's it.

>>7052985
This.
Nobody would say the harsh shit they say on 4chan on their facebooks and mean it. There's a good reason for that.

>>7052985
>>7053011
And that's we can't have nice things.

>>7051675
I must admit that even though i am not suited to cosplay her at all. I really wanna cosplay the Evil Queen from Once Upon a Time in her travelling outfit from the episode True North. I just love the outfit so much. So yeah, if you really want it, go for it. But don't expect people to give you praise, because even if the costume looks nice, you still won't look like the character because of the wrong bodytype

>>7052985
> If making nasty comments over a cosplay you don't like were completely 100% justifiable then nobody would feel cowardly about it.

Agreed.

>>7052384
>>7052486
Oops, read that wrong, didn't see the first reply and thought the second was to mine

>>7052985
> If making nasty comments over a cosplay you don't like were completely 100% justifiable then nobody would feel cowardly about it.

I, for instance, don't feel cowardly about it. Yes, some people hate me, but some of them also agree with me openly (I gave them a final push, I guess).
I mean, if you have something really horrible (in art in general) and you just know there's nothing what could possibly make it better, it's for the best to say what you really think about it.

>>7052946
>Honestly, just do what you want. Cosplay whatever you want. Apart from /cgl/ and fratbois, no1currs. We're all just weirdos in costume.

^This

>>7054284
So long as they're seeking your opinion ?

>>7054276
When you mouse over the quoted post numbers you can see the posts...

>>7054407
I kinda don't give a damn about them seeking my opinion or not. I that type of person who uses his eyes properly and just honestly says what I think about things.
The tone of said opinion depends on the mood I'm in, I guess.

Also, I can appreciate good things when I see them.

I agree with him 100% tbh

>>7054593
>The tone of said opinion depends on the mood I'm in, I guess.
And you think it's fair that someone has to be subjected to a verbal shitfit because you're in a bad mood? Welp, you definitely belong on cgl. I bet you're the same type of guy that posts meme faces and links 4chan threads on his facebook too.

Sure you can cosplay whatever you want. But don't have a cry if people say whatever they want either about it and you don't like it.

>>7054623
And don't cry when people retaliate and oust you for being a shitty person with a loud opinion.

>>7054654

Who's crying? I said go ahead and do what you like, but don't presume that you'll be magically shielded from any form of criticism. However you amusingly use circular logic to try and use my own post against me without an actual substance to the rhetoric in context.

>>7054615
Nope, visit from /jp/ here and you're completely wrong.

Do you think it's fair that someone's day has to be spoiled by some landwhale or ugly-face cosplaying something they obviously shouldn't?
If yes, you definitely are that type of cancer because of which we can't have nice things.

So as I wrote under that YouTube video, nobody says you can't cosplay anything you want... But on the other hand, you can't be surprised when you're laughed at when you're landwhale, have ugly face or just don't fit that character at all.
I repeat, no one prohibit you from doing it, but you have to be prepared for the consequences... Because people have eyes, you know.

>>7054661
Actually >>7052985
said pretty much the same thing, and you're still a dick.

>>7054662
>how other people look spoils my day
>pic related
Just...just go back to /jp/....

>>7054662
And conversely don't expect anyone to care about your criticism.

>>7054661
That's not circular logic. He/she said the opposite of what you said. Back to community college with you fedora-kun

>>7054850

>I'm allowed to do what i like but you're not because you're a dick and you can't criticize me

Criticism =/= being a dick. If you can't take any form of criticism be it constructive or just cruel barbs then you really shouldn't bother. All i'm doing is stating the truth, if you want to accuse me of being a dick for stating the truth that just proves that you can't handle yourself and want to live in a grandiose world where you are always perfect and right.

>>7054875

Actually it's the exact same thing just reworded in reflection, hence circular. You're presuming that just because i criticise i'm automatically a dick when in fact you don't even know the tone or context of the criticism in general and then you presume i'm not allowed to criticise in any way, form or being.

You're effectively doing the equivalent of a child putting fingers in ears going "lalalala not listening."

>>7054878
Or back in reality people just want to where their silly outfits without listening to people bitch about they ruined their waifus. This isn't any thing is doing for school or money. Anyway no one talks shit to anyone's face at conventions so people would be better off just not reading bile off the internet.

>>7054878
> you can't handle yourself and want to live in a grandiose world where you are always perfect and right.

Do you mean 99% of 'Murrica?

>>7054883
>>7054883
>And don't cry when people retaliate and oust you for being a shitty person with a loud opinion.

People will retaliate when you are being a shitty person. Not circular. She didn't assume or state that you were a dick. The dick condition exists when you had done a few things she mentioned.

>>7054878
>Criticism =/= being a dick.
You're such a tard.
First of all even op's video has NOTHING to do with ordinary criticism. They're talking about bullying cosplayers and saying a bunch of mean shit. Not concrit. And I love how you have to twist your argument like that to make it seem like it even has a leg to stand on.

Second of all, it's your opinion. I certainly don't have my day "spoiled" because someone dressed in a way that I don't like.
Here's some "truth" for you too:
>your opinion really isn't that important to everyone
>you look like an aspie by going to social media and harshly degrading someone over a fucking costume

>>7054885

>Or back in reality people just want to where their silly outfits without listening to people bitch about they ruined their waifus.
I'm not bitching about ruined waifus, i don't even know where you're getting that from. And if you want to talk about reality i'll give you reality. Anything you publish, post or photograph and share with others is going to garner criticism whether you like it or not. That's reality. Some of it may be just be cruel barbs while others may be genuine criticism on the basis of opening dialogue and exchange.
>This isn't any thing is doing for school or money.
Of course not, it's for attention and seeing if people like what they did or not.
>Anyway no one talks shit to anyone's face at conventions so people would be better off just not reading bile off the internet.
Oh they do but not always. Most of the time nothing comes out of it though.

>>7054901
> it's for attention and seeing if people like what they did or not.
Sure you can assert that for all cases if you want to be wrong.
>. Anything you publish, post or photograph and share with others is going to garner
blah blah I never said the opposite. Don't whine when people judge you for being a fussy little brat on the internet either.
>Oh they do but not always. Most of the time nothing comes out of it though.
No they don't.

>>7054895

>People will retaliate when you are being a shitty person.
So what did i do that warrants being a shitty person?
> Not circular. She didn't assume or state that you were a dick.
The circular part is where he/she states that i'm not valid to give a criticism when i state the truth of whatever happens when you cosplay and yet turns around and criticises me again.
>The dick condition exists when you had done a few things she mentioned.
Again, what things were those? I'm being accused of actions i may or may not do?

>>7054912
>And don't cry when people retaliate and oust you for being a shitty person with a loud opinion.
Read the quote.
> that i'm not valid to give a criticism when i state the truth
This never happened.

>>7054912
>he/she states that i'm not valid to give a criticism when i state the truth
They didn't say that anywhere though. You couldn't even quote it if you wanted to because it doesn't exist. It's not about 'validity.'
And I'm pretty sure we're still not talking about criticism in general, but really harsh, unnecessary comments.

So you can stop trying to defend yourself if you're only giving regular concrit to begin with.

>>7054904

Who said i was the OP's video?

I was just giving my own viewpoint irregardless of what the OP's video was about. Did i state "Oh if you do this then people are allowed to say mean things about you?" All i said was "You're free to do what you like but in the same context they're going to be free to say what you like." You're also presuming i'm one of THOSE people.
>And I love how you have to twist your argument like that to make it seem like it even has a leg to stand on.
What twisted argument? Which posts do you even think are mine?
>your opinion really isn't that important to everyone
Neither is yours really but i'm free to state my opinion since it's a public forum.
>you look like an aspie by going to social media and harshly degrading someone over a fucking costume
Again, i haven't even done these things but you're already presuming and accusing me for it.

>>7054852
>>7054871

>>7054910

>Sure you can assert that for all cases if you want to be wrong.
That's your viewpoint but not mine and it doesn't make mine any less wrong.
>blah blah I never said the opposite. Don't whine when people judge you for being a fussy little brat on the internet either.
And i never said the harsh things supposedly some people think i'm endorsing or saying and yet here you are accusing of such. You talk about not whining but yet whine yourself when you don't like what is being said.
>No they don't.
There are many cons and it does happen. Comic-con, Gen-con, Dragon-con, PAX...etc. It's happened.

>>7054920
A person having an opinion is tautological. You can choose to be an obnoxious person with said opinion or you can act like a civil person and point out things that can be improved upon. In fact you can keep it to yourself since it really doesn't concern you. So tldr people can call you a dick or not depending on how you act.

>>7054920
>Who said i was the OP's video?
Fucking hell.
>I was just giving my own viewpoint irregardless of what the OP's video was about.
Then you're a stupid, autistic shit that can't participate in a discussion about OP's video without going on some off topic tangent about you when you reply to someone who IS referencing the material in the video.

For the love of fuck, just go away. Oi.

>>7054926
You are the one whining about me whining.

>>7054885
Sure they do.
Met a cosplayer at Sakuracon with decent cosplay construction, who wasn't wearing a revealing cosplay at all. Total sweetie when I talked to her, and she got shit talked to all weekend.

Fat cosplayers get TONS of shit, no matter who or how they cosplay.

>>7054917

I said more or less that you are free to do what you like but you have to be prepared to face criticism be it derisive or constructive. Next reply was "yeah and i'm free to say you're a shit person so be prepared to face that." That's circular.

Can you tell me what part in my original statement gave off my general behaviour, mood or temperament that gave it off a "shitty person?" Because apparently i'm seeing things that aren't there.

>>7054932
>Fat cosplayers get TONS of shit
As a fat cosplayer I call bullshit.
I've never had someone give me trouble about my weight. Then again I don't spam myself on tumblr and don't get upset at opinions on places like cgl.

People have been very nice to me, and I can only presume someone who's had problems with fatties has done the right thing and not confronted me about it, because I still probably wouldn't give a shit.

>>7054912
>>7054920
>>7054940
Anyone else stuck trying to figure out if this person is legitimately retarded or just a bit autistic?

>>7054927

>A person having an opinion is tautological. You can choose to be an obnoxious person with said opinion or you can act like a civil person and point out things that can be improved upon.
Oh i'm the one who has to be civil and not obnoxious? I'm not the one who was immediately accused of actions that i never performed? And you want ME to be civil? I state something that is more or less what does happen in reality and yet i'm immediately accused of heinous deeds. But sure i'm the one who has to behave.
>In fact you can keep it to yourself since it really doesn't concern you.
You really don't know if it concerns me or not so you aren't one to actually make that comment. If it didn't concern me i wouldn't have said anything.
>So tldr people can call you a dick or not depending on how you act.
But yet i can't call them a dick for unbiased raging accusations. Nice double standard.

>>7054943
He's English. This is all there is to do in England.

>>7054950
>But yet i can't call them a dick for unbiased raging accusations. Nice double standard.
You can keep saying I said this but it won't make it true. No one said you couldn't be a dick or not give criticism but you can be judged for acting poorly.

>>7054928

>Then you're a stupid, autistic shit that can't participate in a discussion about OP's video without going on some off topic tangent about you when you reply to someone who IS referencing the material in the video.

And you apparently can't participate in a discussion without resorting to ad hominem. What i referenced was the ONE line in OP's post which was:

>anybody can (and should) cosplay any character for any reason

And i made my reply to it.

But yeah ok i'm the autist because you can't read or keep track.

>>7054950
>But sure i'm the one who has to behave.
Well defending it so vehemently doesn't exactly make you look innocent dude. Second of all, just because you state a view on what's 'reality' doesn't make it reality.
>But yet i can't call them a dick for unbiased raging accusations.
...you mean biased?
And second of all: The point is if people are supposed to 'expect' and 'accept' harsh criticism then you should just take whatever shit we sling at you. I mean, you should 'expect' it, you're on cgl. Stop being so butthurt from your own medicine.

>>7054950
>A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true

Why don't you go diagram what you think is circular reasoning in this thread.

>>7054956

>No one said you couldn't be a dick or not give criticism but you can be judged for acting poorly.

Again, what did i do that warrants judgement of "acting poorly." I was accused and judged before i even had a chance to discuss further. All i stated was something that happens to be true when cosplaying and in regards to people in nature and to be prepared to face it.

>>7054965
>But don't have a cry if people say whatever they want either about it and you don't like it.
This quote right here.
Regardless if you think so, people aren't entitled to say whatever the fuck they want to other people without consequences. So stop acting like the other person doesn't have the right to "cry" if they hear some vicious vitriol about their weight, skin color, or costume.

Just from that quote alone I can tell you're the type of jackass who condones this shit. This is why I'm judging you and why I think you're an autist.

>>7054965
>And don't cry when people retaliate and oust you for being a shitty person with a loud opinion.
So you are just going to be autistic and assume that "shitty person" wasn't conditional?

>>7054960

>Well defending it so vehemently doesn't exactly make you look innocent dude. Second of all, just because you state a view on what's 'reality' doesn't make it reality
Because i make a seemingly inoccuous comment which had no vile meanings behind it but i'm painted as the anti-christ.
>And second of all: The point is if people are supposed to 'expect' and 'accept' harsh criticism then you should just take whatever shit we sling at you.
Sure, but i'm still going to defend myself and my actions as long as they were MY actions. People can freely cosplay as they like but they will always have to bear in mind and prepare for what is said by other people and to steel themselves against it. If you think my statement was meant to be "You're going to take what they say and like it no matter what" then you're mistaken.
>I mean, you should 'expect' it, you're on cgl. Stop being so butthurt from your own medicine.
Not butthurt, just disappointed.

>>7054983
>I can say what ever you want and I can say whatever I want.
That's tautological on the internet. I have no idea what you're arguing about.

>>7054977

>This quote right here.
Regardless if you think so, people aren't entitled to say whatever the fuck they want to other people without consequences. So stop acting like the other person doesn't have the right to "cry" if they hear some vicious vitriol about their weight, skin color, or costume.

They put themselves out there that sort of thing will occur. They can't stop it, all they can do is steel themselves against it and not be taken by surprise. You can act like such comments won't happen but we both know that's not true. I'm just stating what can and ultimately DOES go on.

>Just from that quote alone I can tell you're the type of jackass who condones this shit. This is why I'm judging you and why I think you're an autist.

Then you're reading into things that aren't even there. Not condoning it, just saying it can and will happen. Don't be surprised when it does.

>>7054997
>They can't stop it,
Who said they couldn't?

>>7055005
cont.
> You can act like such comments won't happen
It seems like you're arguing with a position no one in the thread has. This whole dialog started when someone said "Those expressing criticisms may also find themselves judged". Maybe you're having problems because you can't read.

>>7055005

Because people are always going to be like that. It's how it's been through history itself. Idealistically it shouldn't have to be like that but you can't control how other people behave in thinking or in their mannerisms.

>>7055015
Ok now you're just babbling.

>>7054997
>They put themselves out there that sort of thing will occur.
You put your view out here, so we can call you a dick based on it.
Wanna stop crying about being called a dick on 4chan now? Or are you going to keep misusing the term 'circular logic' and ablooblooing at us about how you're allowed to say whatever you want but we can't?

>>7055018

So you're saying it doesn't happen then? Good to know we're in some different world then.

>>7055019
I'm going to file this under "Pretending to be retarded".

>>7055019

And i can defend myself based on it. If you want to call me a dick on it, at least have tangent roots when you do. Otherwise you're no better than the people you vehemently despise against in the video.

>>7055033
>at least have tangent roots when you do
We did, and we've repeated it. You just can't seem to accept you're being a major hypocrite and an idiot. It's really out of our hands at this point, and I'm not amused by your retardation anymore.

>>7055038
You didn't use the word "If" here.
>>7054654
Because hey, no one expects natural speech on 4chan.

>>7055038

No, you haven't. You've put words in where there were none and arguably judged so. You want to talk about being a hypocrite? You don't like people saying negative things about others in the video but yet you yourself turn around and then say negative things about others yourself without warrant.

>>7052985
You've *almost* developed a mature attitude to life but you're still hung up on that black-and-white "WRONG" bullshit, especially in the "real life" part of things.

>>7055055
>>7055075
This person is going to be continually butthurt for forever.

>>7055077
He's just another English shit poster. This entire dialog started when he just assumed the person didn't mean "If you do this, this will happen".
>>7054654
Either he's a troll or not familiar with natural speech because he's been locked in a tower with nothing but legal contracts to read.

>>7054593
>I'm that type of person who...
Whenever someone says this, what follows is normally a load of bullshit that basically boils down to: "I'm an asshole but I'm ashamed of admitting I'm wrong".

>>7054920
>>>7054920
IRREGARDLESS ISNT A FUCKING WORD YOU SHITTING DICKNIPPLE

>>7053011
>having a Facebook
But that in itself is retarded.

>>7055149

Yes it is, it's been around since the 1800's and is listed in dictionaries. Granted it is non-standard but it's still a word.

>>7055149
>>7055184
It's a colloquialism and is actually misused a lot. Kind of like that poster's misuse of the term circular reasoning.
>>"I was just giving my own viewpoint irregardless of what the OP's video was about."
This is actually a misuse of the word. Irregardless means -without- the lack of regard. So instead of the person TRYING to say "regardless of ______" they're actually saying "in regards to ______" which makes it contradictory to the point that they were trying to convey.

>>7055224

That doesn't change the fact that it's still a word though.

>>7054920
>finally have a use for this

>>7055258
It's a word akin to 'gonna' and 'wanna.' You wouldn't use it in a paper, but you might in informal conversation. Still doesn't change the fact that it was misused, and it's obnoxious.