/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Not a bad attitude at all. If you think you're too heavy now then anything you put on your self will look bad to you and maybe to everyone else.
If it's just a weight issue, resolve it first and then give the fashion a try. You'll feel better and look better.

You should want to lose weight for you. Lolita is something you may outgrow or get bored of, and it's easy to say "Well I'll just get a plus sized dress"
Get healthy for your health, not for fashion. Reward yourself with lolita that fits your new body, but don't make that your driving motivation.

If you want to lose weight that's up to you, but it's probably better to lose weight for the sake of being healthy and not just to wear clothes. Though being able to wear cute clothes is a plus.

Some people wait till they slim down to get into it, but you don't have to wait. It's your choice to wait or not.

>>7004801
I have a friend who did just that. She is now much healthier and confident with her appearance, not to mention she looks great in her loli wardrobe.
I don't know if that is necessarily the wrong attitude to have. Maybe it is just the kind of goal to have to lead you to a much more healthier lifestyle.
Though I am sure there are probably plenty of people who may disagree, ultimately it's up to you.

Thanks, folks. I'll definitely think it over more.

>>7004801
no!

Just be careful and lose it in moderation. If you have an addictive personality or history of eating disorders in the family especially.

I started losing weight for the same reason you are and ended up in counseling for bulimia for three months. NOT TO SAY it was the cothes fault in any respect but that's how it began for me.

I focus more on measurement than weight when I started to gain weight due to medication. Weight can change from day to day and, for me, really didn't paint a picture of my body correctly?

The main think is not to focus that you're going on a diet but think that you are doing a life style change. You are changing your bad habits for more healthy ones. Don't say I can't have X or X because bad, think more I can have X. Don't think about what you are denying yourself but think more what you are can have. Also cheat days are stupid again emphasizing the idea of denying. You can have a treat just don't do it often.

>>7004878
adding that it took about 6 months to get back to my before medication weight (which was about 2 inches on the waist) I exercised more these were just half hour youtube videos at home. I also went mostly vegetarian. (it was easy since the person I moved in with was) So eating better is the very best way to go and then light to moderate exercise.

>>7004807
I think losing weight for lolita to me is technically kind of "losing weight for you", though. You really love these dresses and want to wear them because they feel great to wear, but you want to look better in these dresses you love. I see nothing wrong with that, personally.

I lost a lot of weight sort of on accident when I became vegan. It didn't really occur to me when I changed my diet, and then all of a sudden I'd lost 50 pounds. That probably took me around 6-8 months without changing anything else, so who knows what I'd look like if I'd started exercising more.
However, not that I'm thinner lolita is a big motivation to keep being thin. Being able to fit into unshirred brand is one the greatest feelings in the world. I would really recommend going for it.

>>7004912
Oops, "NOW that I'm thinner." That's a confusing typo/

>>7004908
Lolita tends to bring out the worst body issues in girls. From hating fat people, praising anorexia, hating people who are naturally thinner, saying only real women have "curves". There's a lot of underlying issues that could potentially turn her life into something horrible.
All because the clothes original target are Asians.

So I think we all just have her best interest and just want OP to be safe with whatever decision she does make.

I know a lot of lolitas who have eating disorders. Two of them were considered to be "recovered" anorexics, but some lolita clothes like unshirred AP and MmM made them feel overweight simply because they are one size only and don't fit well, totally ignoring that those clothes were designed for girls 5 inches shorter and of smaller frames. Just be careful, OP. I've know a few friends who left the fashion after realizing thr damage it was doing tk their self esteem.

Side note, this is why I like that IW has S/M/L sizing and Juliette et Justine has customizable size 1 and 2.

>>7004933

That was me basically, sad to say. When I started dressing this way I thought it wouldnt affect me, but I got made fun of really badly one time and it just started me on a really dark path. I thank my therapist for picking up on it and calling me out, otherwise I'd probably still be destroying my teeth and legs.

Partially shirred is the way for me haha, I wouldnt want it any other way at this point.

Wow. Thanks for all the comments. I really wasn't expecting so much advice and support. And they say the Lolita community isn't supportive. I have no delusions. I know this can be a rough community to break into, but I think it's because this style takes so much discipline and effort. It's that discipline and effort I respect in Lolitas, not to mention the clothes are just breathtakingly beautiful. You guys are right. Regardless if I'm right for Lolita, my health comes first and I need to lose weight in a healthy, sane way. But Lolita is definitely my goal, for sure.

>>7004949
That's really sad, anon. Even if I lose weight, I'll still have a pretty solid frame. I can't imagine ever fitting anything that doesn't have shirring, or is suitable for western frames. But then, I have always lay pretty low, no one's torn me to shreds (yet).

as odd as it may sound, fitting into lolita clothes actually sometimes motivates me to try and actually recover from my eating disorder because i'll never be able to fit into anything until i actually commit to gaining back to a healthy weight /:

>>7004966
I'm sorry to get you down. At least I recovered and had a happy ending to an otherwise awful situation. I'm a stronger person now for it, I'd say.

I have been a plus size lolita for a few years now. My initial weight loss attempts were just with the goal to "get healthier" and I am somewhat healthier (according to blood sugar, blood pressure, general exercise endurance, being able to run to catch the bus/upstairs without getting out of breath as fast, and lift a small bit of weight) but still heavier/fatter than I would like to be. So now I am focusing more on "losing weight to fit more dresses" since I can only fit in fully shirred brand and most of the prints I want don't come large enough (and I'm not into replicas). I'm starting to see progress but it will be pretty slow, so I'm glad I have a good foundation in the fashion already so I can enjoy wearing it now and not just have to wait until I get to my goals.

I've already been made fun of for being a fat lolita, and it wasn't pleasant, but it didn't keep me from trying to improve as much as I could. So when I lose weight I think I'll be a really good lolita and not just "pretty good for a fattychan" or whatever.

Meanwhile another friend of mine ended up losing weight and then leaving the fashion because she felt the style didn't show off the progress she'd made.

So anyway, my advice to you would be not to wait, why not start lolita now? Even if you just incorporate accessories or other small touches into your regular wardrobe. It might help you stay motivated since healthy weight loss tends to be kinda slow.

>>7004959
It's really nice to hear that, Anon. I'm sure you'll make a really beautiful lolita.

>>7005000
This actually makes me mad. I see myself as objectively prettier when I have my good days and look back at pictures of the times in which I starved (ED is unpredictable as fuck, I'll go months in a "normal" relationship with food, then eat everything all the time then restrict for months etc). It's sad and unfair that I can't look that tiny and cute in lolita because everything is too big.

Can you guys state your nationalities with your sizes?
I'm always so intrigued. I consider myself skinnyfat, I'm miserable about those extra few pounds, but I'm a lazy slob. That said, I'm still swimming in lolita sizes.
They don't kid when they say lolita is for fat japanese girls, in Japan I'm still just a medium, a lot of the lolita brands make the one-size fit up to a japanese large!

So, are all you lot actually american or am I just falling back on stereotypes?

>>7005822
Wow. You so edgy.

>>7005822
What a great thing to post in a thread of people who already torment themselves daily over what size they wear and what they weigh. Regardless of who and what Lolita sizing is made for, Japan has a serious problem when it comes to the pressure to be thin and is the only country where the average weight for girls 18-25 has plummeted steadily since the eighties.

You know the average Japanese high school girl has a daily caloric intake of less than 1,300 calories? And I don't mean when dieting, I mean to maintain the body they have. 1,200 calories is the amount your body needs for basic organ function; it's the recommended caloric intake of a six year old.

82 pounds even for someone who is 5'2" (the national average) is severely underweight. These girls are at risk of serious bodily harm if they keep a figure like that. There's actually been an influx of underweight babies in the last decade. I wonder why.

Now before you accuse me of pulling facts out of my ass, I was a bulimic with restricting tendencies for three years and did a lot of research into the subject while in therapy because the catalyst for my ED was my desire to wear these clothes. If you want to check it out yourself, look up the "The Rise of Eating Disorders in Japan" on Princeton University website; it's a good place to start.

>>7005822
>>7005852
>>7005854
don't feed the troll
the skinnyfat troll who thinks each nation has its own ethnically and genetically homogenous makeup

5'4" and 270 lbs
I was 220 and went down to 160 but depression and binge eating brought me right back up. Then developed a thyroid problem, lost about 10 lbs on meds, but now lost insurance/meds and gained it back again. I hate my life.

>>7005887
Related note, my dream of losing weight is all about clothes. Thigh high socks and short pleated skirts. Pic related - dream body. I need a fellow landwhale weight loss buddy. ; _ ;

>>7005852
that image is so sad and horrific. these girls looked fine before. women naturally have a bit of an outward curve at their lower stomach over their uterus.

to anyone coping with an eating disorder, i really hope that you get to full, speedy recoveries.

>>7005908
Why do you guys all want to be horrible stick people that look like little boys?

Lift heavy weights
hide sexy muscles under lace and frills
surprise people with your strength
be awesome

>>7005916
For themselves.

>>7005916

because we're all into asian fashion, which does not come in multiple sizes therefore we're trying to fit into clothing made for a specific body type which happens to be 12 year old boys

>>7005922
Oh, that makes sense. Well then enjoy your cool clothes and being unattractive to men.

>>7005916
because not everyone wants fat plastic chunks like hendricks'

>>7005887
I was diagnosed with a thyroid problem when I was 14. Now 19, I lost 40 pounds last year and was so close to being under 200 pounds but now I'm 250 pounds. I just got back on my diet and exercise routine a few weeks ago but feels bad man to know I let my health get this bad.

>>7005924
> 2013
> Caring what men think

>>7005852
I'm Asian and I look pretty similar to their before pictures. I'll admit the number one reason I've been losing weight is to be able to fit into more Japanese and Korean brands - I can fit into HK styles fine, but their sizes are basically the same as UK.

Right now I'm 5'1 and 121 pounds, and I've kind of accepted that I'll never be as waif thin as a lot of Japanese models. I still want to see how far I can get without looking completely skeletal...

That's probably the wrong mentality to have though, isn't it.

>>7005924
because guys never go on and on about how gross "fat" chicks are and how they only want super skinny girls.

>>7005918
Dat you, Laura?

>>7005916
Hendricks is fat. She'd look awful if she wasn't an hourglass and you know it. I want to be kawaii like pic related.

Bought a VM dress, Waist = 68cm, My waist = 70cm.. GODAMN 2cm

>>7005947
Attractive to men and women

>>7005940
I'm Asian too, at 5'3 and 120 lbs, but I still feel so fucking fat compared to other Asians / my relatives. I do admit that I'm smaller than most Americans though, partially because of bone structure.

>>7005941
There is a difference between being skinny and having nothing.

>>7005916
I have always wanted this body but when I gain weight it never changes my boob size. I went from 120lbs to 158 and my boobs stayed the same size. (0% of the fat went to my ass and thighs and the rest went to my belly. The only way for me to have that body type is with plastic surgery. So I am losing weight and going for the kawaii delicate fairy like body.

>>7005918
Yup, that's what I'm working on. Do you follow any particular workout? I've been doing bodyweights for a while now, and I have New Rules of Lifting for Women on my shelf, but I haven't taken the plunge yet.

>>7005965
oops I mean to say 90% of the fat went to my ass and thighs.

>>7005965
Just get thin, get implants, then get fat. It worked for her so I'm sure it'll work for you

I've been having some body-issues lately because I'm pregnant. Intellectually I know that I'm not really "fat" and that my stomach is so huge because of the baby, and I'm not really gaining extra weight because I haven't changed my lifestyle at all and not pulling any of that "eating for two" crap.

Still it's just so weird because I feel like my body isn't my body anymore and it's depressing that I can't fit into any of my cute clothes right now. I have another 4 months of this at least, not exactly sure how long it'll take me to lose all the baby fat, and I feel so depressed.

The worst part is that as I get later into my pregnancy avoiding binge eating is getting harder and harder. I can't stop thinking about food and it seems I don't get as full as I used to. On top of that I get winded so easily that I can't really get more active to compensate. I'm so paranoid that I'm going to gain a shit ton of weight and never be able to get rid of it.

GOD I JUST WANT MY BODY BACK

>fat acceptance people trying to tell this girl not to lose weight
>girl wants to lose weight

Just let her lose the weight if she wants to, jeez. No ones asking you beautiful~curvy~women to do the same if you don't want to

>>7005924
Lol, this post makes me relate.
My bf said I was too skinny when we first started dating, even though I was a normal healthy weight and didn't have and ED.
He said it was like having sex with a child, so I gained 5 pounds for him. I still fit into everything so nothing of value was lost.

>>7005954
Oh definitely - I know I'm smaller than most Americans, but whenever I go overseas I feel like the fattest girl in the country.

Not to mention finding clothes as a busty Asian is suffering.

>>7005976
This is part of the reason I am choosing to be childfree. I have read a lot of accounts of women that get "disconnected" from their bodies. I am sure that you will love your child and it will be worth it, but it's not something I could handle!

>>7005972
I would like to be how she was when Mad Men first started. She is getting too fat now, to the point where it does not suit her. I would get implants but I am scared of them do to how many horror stories I have seen.

>Pic related wish we had a spoiler but nope

>>7005984
So you wish to continue having two boobs.
Understandable

>>7005989
LOL'd yes and I would like them to be about the same size and point in the proper direction. I have seen worse pictures, this was the least gruesome.

>>7005984
All implants look bad. Just some are the things of nightmares. Natural is best, no matter the size. Even flat pigeon chests are better than the best water baloons.

>>7006014
I have a flat pigeon chest, and I look skinny as a stick naturally, but it's not attractive at all. I can't wear Lolita like this. I have no boobs to fill my chest.

>>7005946
no, sorry
>>7005968
If you have access to them, free weights would be the best option
deadlifts, squats, OHP, etc etc. Any beginners routine will be fine to ease into it
I've no idea how that book is but it's best to avoid any workouts 'tailored especially for women!!' as they discourage you to get into the heavier/more complicated lifts an focus too much on arms/stomach

>>7006060
?

>>7005963
There is a difference between losing weight for yourself and losing weight to impress others.

>>7006060
Passerby Anon here, I thought lolita was FOR skinny girls with no chests. Think about the average Japanese girl. If you're desperate, you can just use crossplay methods to make it seem like you have a chest while you're in lolita.

I am 5'1 and 140 pounds and I look like a hambeast. I am regularly made fun of for my weight by my mom, who is a dietitian (I'm a size 10 in jeans, which basically means she refuses to claim me as her own) The thing is, I run five days a week and cross-train at least one other day. I regularly run marathons. AND I eat well (no soda, I allow myself a diet soda once a week, very few processed foods, etc.)

My mom recommended my calorie intake go from 1800 to 1600 this January to see if we could see any changes, and nothing. Not a single pound. It's been six months.

The only thing I can think of is that my scoliosis affects my base weight. I have a pretty advanced curve that three years of a back brace did nothing to prevent, and it's just unusual that I'm 5'1 when the rest of the women in my family are at LEAST 5'7.

I gave up on lolita because I have broad shoulders and huge thighs and honestly, it would have made my family happy to see me in pretty dresses. But instead I'm built like a bowling ball and there's nothing I can do. Sorry to hijack this thread, I'm just desperate for answers. I've heard the "there's no excuses, you MUST be cheating, calories in-calories out" thing my whole life, but at this point I'm starting to think it's just not true.

>>7006125
Wanted to add- the only time I did see results was when I was bulimic. I've been 140 since I was 17, but when I was actively bulimic and not running, I went down about ten pounds and stayed there. It was only when I stopped in order to start running again that I ballooned back up.

>>7005949
Shapewear is your best friend! Look into buying slimming tights or stomach slimmers, they can easily bring in those last 2 cm's.

>>7005916
>look like little boys?
I've never understood this argument. I want to look like a little girl. I don't want to look like a grown woman. I want to look like a loli. Why do some women try to make a dig at our femininity?
Have you ever seen a little boy dress like these girls? >>7005908
>>7005947
If you're going to mistake a skinny girl for anything that she's not, it's going to be her age, not her gender, as long as she dresses this way.

>>7006125
Have you been checked for hormone imbalances or other issues? I had a friend who was very, very meticulous about monitoring her food and exercise, but never dropped a pound. She later found out she had a hormone disorder (I believe it was hypothyroidism, but could be wrong).

>>7006060
I actually use lots of pushup bras to fill out my lolita dresses, I feel it just looks off without at least a small amount of boobs ;_;

>>7006151
I haven't, but it's possible. I don't get a regular period but instead have a one-day period every couple months.

It's just in my family, there's no such thing as a medical reason why you can't lose weight. If you aren't skinny, it's because you're lazy or a slacker.

>>7006125
Try a calorie intake of 1200 and restricting yourself to only fresh fruit and veges and lean meat, no bread or baked goods. 1600 is quite high for someone 5' 1", to maintain a weight of 110lb at 5' 2" with average exercise of 45 mins strength or cardio each day I eat 1200-1400.

>>7005976
Your first child, right? Losing weight back after your first is a lot easier than down the road. You should be checking with your doctor. If you're not eating enough for your baby, you could really be hurting him/her. You practically have to gain wait if you're pregnant. See what this person was saying? >>7005852 It's terrible for your baby to be underweight. You could risk having a premature birth, a malnourished child, or even their death.
I'm no doctor, so please inform yourself about what you need to do with your health, and again, check in with your doctor frequently.

And you're right: Pregnancy is weird because your body isn't fully yours right now. You're basically a host, and little more. Of course I could go into the politics of that, but I won't.

>>7006110
Thing is, lolita is made for fairly large Japanese girls. It has a bit of a reputation for being a fatty fashion in Japan, from what I've heard. I'm not even totally flat and I find a lot of my dresses too big in the bust.

>>7005968
If you are doing bodyweight stuff convict conditioning and beastskills gives you good progressions so that you're moving more and more of your weight at a time

>>7005916
But i want to look like a little boy

>>7004810
This. Its great to have motivation. Similar story for a friend of mine who is now really seeing the results of her weight loss and its exiting to see her buying the things that she wants and having them arrive and fit!

>>7005963
I actually prefer number one
Skinny girls are best girls

>>7006158
I've considered dropping my calorie intake further, but my doctor and my other dietitian (not my mom) are very against it. Because I have an advanced scoliosis curve (about 60 degrees), I'm actually supposed to be about 5'4 at minimum, maybe even taller. They take that into account and won't recommend anything lower than 1600.

>>7006125
>I am regularly made fun of for my weight by my mom
Okay I'm sorry I that I don't have any advice, but I'm so sorry that you have to put up with that. Having someone close to you, especially someone who is your superior, belittle you about these things, even while you lead a healthy lifestyle, is infuriating.

You shouldn't dress in pretty clothes just to make your family feel better. Because it's selfish of them to do this to you.

When I first started to lose weight, I was! But now I'm losing weight for myself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to lose weight because of lolita, but I found myself with a healthier mindset when I stopped. I also lost WAY more weight and put on more muscle as well when I started working towards being fit and healthy versus being skinny.

Right now, I have a 32 in waist and 32DDD boobs, so I can fit into some lolita just fine, which is great because there was a time where I couldn't fit into any! I'm trying to really lower my simple carb intake of wheat and sugars to try and lose more around my midsection. (apple shape woot woot.)

>>7006172
Not saying you should stop running, not at all, but your metabolism has probably gotten so used to you doing so much cardio that your body is milking everything it can out of your 1600 cal
Try jumping up a few hundred cal (at least 300) for a few days then go back to 1600 just to kick your metabolism around so 1600 feels like a cut again

>>7006164
It's not for "fatties," it's just not for the stick thin. In my experiences in Japan and the US, most unshirred/partially shirred brand is suited to what I would say was an average Japanese girl. Not all Japanese are stickbug thin.
However, I think it does tend to suit heavier Japanese girls better than heavier Westerners, simply because Japanese girls tend to have better chub distribution (at least from what I saw).

>>7006172
Agreeing with this >>7006191 anon. I used to run year round for cross country and track, and during an off season period of attempted weight loss, I noticed that I plateaued at about 1500 calories/day, when I should've been losing about a pound a week.

I mixed up my work out routine and started varying my calorie intake from 1200 to 1800 per day for parts of the week, and I soon got over the hump.

Now I'm just lazy as fuck and only eat 1200 to maintain, since my bmr is only like 1100.

>>7006172
Maybe do more crosstraining? I do karate/weights/running but because my body is so used to it there has to be a huge change in intensity for my weight to change. Whereas if i stop doing that and say, go swimming three times a week for half an hour I can easily drop a couple pounds. I think it's because my body is less used to those movements so I expend more energy in both training and recovery

>>7006157
I work at an OBGYN clinic as a part time, and that is DEFINITELY not a normal period! Please get yourself checked out by a specialist - the uterus is a huge indicator of hormone issues, so if something irregular is happening its best to get it checked out. Let them know about the periods as well as your weightloss issues and see what comes up.

>>7006125

If you're 5'1", you need to go under 1200 calories to lose weight. My maintenance calories (I'm the same height.) is like 1100.

>>7006411
Seconding this. Lots of people are terrified to go under 1200 a day because 'omg anorexic diet!!11', but if you're short, you have to take that into account. I'm 5'1 myself, was trying to lose weight for ages on a recommended 1400 cal diet and couldn't get an ounce to budge, went down to 1000-1100 and fat started melting.

>>7006532
unless you were on a high-protein diet, you also lost a shitton of muscle
Going that low is fine if done right (macros), otherwise you'll get all flabby

>>7006411
>>7006532
You didn't read the follow up to the post where she's been advised not to go under 1600 by both her doctor and a dietitian, right? Plus her "actual" height is likely higher as scoliosis...

>>7006545
1200 is definitely not a starvation diet for her height. As long as she's eating, period, and not garbage like ramen and snack food, there's no worry about muscle lose.
Naturally, she'll have to exercise on top of a caloric cut, but that's a no brainer.

>>7005924
Part of the reason Lolita is popular in Japan is precisely because it turns away most men. Some girls don't want to be viewed sexually.

>>7006588
>went down to 1000-1100
Was referring to that.
Also, the so called starvation mode is just slowing the metabolism, it has nothing to do with muscle loss

Again, with the right macros there shouldn't be a problem, thing is most people aren't willing to drink whey or eat the necessary amount of meat to get to the needed amount of protein

>polite sage for offtopic

>>7006125
Hey, I know how you feel. It's hard to lose, and as much as I want to fit into Lolita my large frame just ain't having it. Still, I think there are styles of Lolita that are large frame friendly. It's just a matter of adjusting a style for your body type. If you want to be girly and feminine, you definitely can.

>>7006588
This. I'm >>7006200, and I consulted my dietician to make sure that I was fine. After answering some questions and running some basic tests, my bmr (at 61.5 in. ) was figured between 1000-1100. My dietician told me that so long as I was eating healthy (dark leafy greans, colorful veggies, high protein, and good grains) 1200 was totally fine.
The 2000 calorie standard as seen on nutrition labels in the USA is actually misleading, as many people don't need that much.
Fun fact: Many people are malnourished despite eating more calories than they need to because they don't eat vitamin and nutrient rich foods.

>>7006603

Where did you hear that? That makes no sense to me. After all, Asian cultures usually value youth and cutesy things much more than western societies. That's why you get the Korean "Aegyo" habits and stuff.

>>7006644
From a few Japanese Lolitas, who, admittedly, don't represent the entire community. But think about it. The style emphasizes modesty and purity. It's not a style meant to attract the opposite sex. That's not saying that a man can't be attracted to Lolita, but I'd be a little uncomfortable if he was.

>>7005852
Okay, despite the horrible photoshop, how on earth is this attractive?! They look like they're about to break. Honestly I don't know how someone would have the energy or muscle mass to move around during the day, even to just get out of bed or stand in the shower.

>inb4 hurrr hating skinnies is just as bad as hating fatties hurrderpderpderp

>>7006747
Yeah, this is most definitely an awful shop. They probably look fine in the original photo.

>>7005916
Hendricks is a fat fuck. Do you think that woman can run half a kilometer without being in pain from all her fat flopping around, feeling the force of each footstep tear her flabby skin down, adding to the already painful strain of gravity?

Fucking no. I want to look like Jillian Michaels from the Biggest Loser. Health > "womanly curves". I hate how a woman without curves is seen as less feminine just because they don't want to or cannot look like a pin-up model (aka sex icon).

>>7004966

> high-impact physical job
> big shoulders from lots of lifting and carrying
> never able to fit into anything that isn't custom-sized, no matter how slim I am

Feels bad, man.

>>7005977

This. All of this.

OP, if you want to lose weight, do it safely, be mindful of what your body needs, and have at it. Make your damn self happy.

>>7005976
Wow, what a wonderful mother you are going to be. You wanna know why you crave certain foods? It's because you aren't getting whatever nutrients in your normal diet that your child needs. And like the one anon said, you are going to gain weight, sorry. 20-30 lbs is common and if you breast feed it helps you lose weight in the long run. Honestly I feel more sorry for the child at this point. Waaaa, I can't wear cute clothes cause I'm pregnant. Should have kept your legs shut or swallowed.

>>7005852
I'm the anon you quoted and I think you came on a little hamfisted here, but I guess I was unclear. I didn't ask why were weren't all the same sizes as japanese supermodels, I said that their lolita clothes are made for as much as a Japanese large (uk medium). Why are you going all 'model culture' on me?

I said I was a Japanese medium, not a small (About UK 6, US 4) and swimming in the lolita sizes, which often go up to a UK 10 or 12 (US 8 or 10).
In the UK, a 10 or 12 is considered the norm for a healthy size (unless you're really tall or busty etc)
>>7005940
Gets my point
> their sizes are basically the same as UK
So if you are all having problems with these sizes, where are you all from?
Not that a UK12 is the average anymore here, but average and accepted healthy norm aren't the same

If you're going to start talking about the dangers of anorexia while I talk about clothing that fits a UK size 12 or 10? Well, I was about to say something really horrible, we'll leave it at that.
Hopefully we just misunderstood each other.

>>7006800
Or used birth control. I hate when I hear or read the "no want babby, should have kept legs closed" argument. People forget that there are such things as condoms, the pill, IUD's etc. It is very possible to have sex and not get pregnant.

>>7006800
>>7006840
Aaaaand /cgl/'s catty bitches come out to play

Just because you're craving a food doesn't mean you should eat that specific food. And watching her weight on her pregnancy is the smart thing to do, rather than binge and hope all the baby weight drops later.
How's about you preggo-slamming skeevies scuttle off to whatever it is you do when you're not stroking yourself to anonymous verbal abuse

>>7006060
Not 7006014 but just to expand on his/her comment...

Even if it's not attractive it's still better natural than a set of scars and silicone bags, both physically (cuz they NEVER get them 100% right) and mentally (I've never met someone with implants that didn't seem self-absorbed).

Just get some falsies to pad your bra, after the cosplay you can at least take those out and be natural again.

>>7006765
Jesus christ, you sound bitter.

>>7004801
Lolita was my motivation for losing weight, that and going to Tokyo and feeling like a landwhale next to all the petite Japanese girls. I couldn't fit into any clothes and when I looked at my photos after the trip I realised I WAS FAT.

I weighed myself then and came in at 80kg/175pounds. I started watching what I ate and counting calories, making sure I had around 1200 a day and I am now down to 65kg/145 pounds.

It took me a while to get there. But now I fit my clothes better and can wear most dresses. Sadly, my boobs did not loose any weight and I still have DD cups, which do not fit into the Innocent World dress I had bought in Tokyo on the second trip as weight loss motivation.

>>7006842
I'm not either of those anons, but I have more of an issue with pregnant-anon's attitude. If not putting on weight at all so she can fit into brand after birth is more important to her than her baby, she needs to sort out her priorities.

>>7006842
Wow way to jump to conclusions, that is not what I was saying at all. I don't care about any of that shit. Her body, and baby is not really my business. I just hate when people act like the only way to prevent pregnancy is to abstain from sex. It's retarded on many levels. Hence why I was having a bitch fit over the argument she was using, and that alone.

>>7006858
This.

I would really like to recommend everyone in this thread who wants to sort their diet out check out the Nutrition Data section of the Self magazine website. Just google Self Nutrition Data and you'll find it.
It's free obviously and it helps you really easily track not only your calories but how much of each vitamin and mineral you're getting as well as monitoring your sodium and protein and cholesterol etc and you can set your own daily requirements/limits or use the preset ones for your frame.
I've been both ends of the spectrum from formerly starving myself to waaay overeating for months at a time and this is really the only thing that's been able to keep me eating healthily and consistently because it let me see what I had to eat in a day to actually get the nutrition that I need. I could stuff my face all day long and still be really lacking in key areas so having that shown to me in black and white helped me set my targets on eating for my health, prioritising nutrient-rich foods so I didn't have to eat myself sick to get to my nutrition goals and also I find that now I only eat what I need to get what I need nutritionally for the day so I don't eat too much.
I wasn't over weight to begin with but I've been losing 1kg/2lbs a week, I feel great and my skin has never been better.

>>7006861
>Sadly, my boobs did not loose any weight and I still have DD cups
I feel you. I'm 5'1", and I went from 140 down to 120, but my boobs went from Ds to DDs 'cause my band size decreased. I'm more pear shaped than anything so I should have expected it, but it's still annoying.

>>7004933
I'd definitely say lolita is a pretty big trigger for me. I'm recovered ednos and now that I'm finally starting to wear lolita, I feel inadequate and fat even though I'm 6 inches taller than the target market for these clothes. They make me feel HUGE. I'm trying really hard to stay healthy because I don't want to have to give up lolita.

>>7006879
Also don't forget the MyFitnessPal app for people with smartphones. I have been using this and it has really helped. I realize the reason I have stupidly low blood pressure is because I eat way below the normal amount of sodium. And I was eating way more sugar than I realized, and I am not getting enough vitamin A. Also I lost 10lbs since I started using this app and it told me congratulations and recalculated my needs.

I'm anorexic and have been since before lolita, but I was in recovery until I got back into lolita.

My primary motivation is for my brand to hang off me again like it used to. I love when brand is too big for me, it's lovely.

I also have this weird thing (And this is so shallow and awful to admit.) but if I don't like another person, being thinner than them, eating less than them, it feels like a victory. A girl was arguing with me on Facebook, and my anger immediately evaporated the moment I saw she was at least a stone heavier than me. It's so awful, I hate being such a shitty person, but I can't get out of this mindset that being the thinnest is a victory.

>>7006897
If was you, I would consider going into therapy. But I'm not. It's up to you to drag yourself into it, because I think we both know there's a problem here.

> Captcha: themfelves aanoreti

>>7006897
That's one of the main things about anorexia. It feels so good to win and control your body by being thinner/ prettier. I have too many stories and my weight fluctuates so much do to repeatedly starting up my anorexia and trying to recover from it. I started again recently and I am not going back I hate myself more when I am fat then when I am thin and starving. Even if it kills me this time I am going to be as thin as I can get, and I don't really care because I will be better than a certain someone I hate more than anything.

>>7006800
It's pretty normal in most countries for the doctor to make sure the mother doesn't gain a lot of weight. She should be eating a varied healthy diet and taking vitamins, but there's no need to become a whale because "hurr durr eatin for two"

>>7006906
But then does it matter when you are dead? Yay for being the thinnest corpse?

I mean really if you're not below 8% body fat you should lose some weight anyways. It doesn't matter what you're trying to get into.

True but to think that you won't or shouldn't gain any weight is just silly. Anon should be more concerned about her child than fitting into lolita while pregnant.

>>7006913
Precisely, also I work in a nursing home and because of the things I have seen and experienced I am planning on offing myself after the golden girls stage of old lady if I live that long. But until then I want the satisfaction that comes with that control over my body.

>>7006913
Not the person who posted that, but the way I see it, is that they hate themselves so much that they want to die, but didn't feel that much self hatred when they were thin, so they'd rather relapse and risk dying than killing themselves while at a normal weight.

Sure it's wrong and they need help, but I can understand where they are coming from.

>>7006927
This is a really good way of looking at it. There is nothing worse than looking in the mirror and hating what you see when you can change it.

>>7006906
Anon, I'm so sorry. I really hope you get help, because I consider good health and cheery outlook (aside from the occasional Internet cattiness) just as essential to Lolita as the clothes. I know others who will disagree, but having this attitude is what keeps me happy in the fashion.

>>7006906

It's just so good to win and be the thinnest in the room. I don't know why, it just feels amazing. Something about putting on a dress and not stretching the shirring at all really makes me smile. It sounds so vapid and awful, and it is, but I don't think it's a mindset I'll ever escape. I hate someone so intensely that the thought of being thinner than her makes me so so so happy it hurts. I hate that I think this way and that I'm such a shallow bitch. I don't even really mind one way or another if I live or die.

There's a girl in my comm who I suspect may have an ED. She never finishes anything, talks often about exercising, and I saw her MyFitnessPal goal and she wants to lose a lot of weight. There's no way I'd ever ask her about it, but I feel a strange solidarity with her. It's as though we're sharing a lovely secret, us together against the world, against food. I'm not competing with her, I'm buoyed up by the thought that I may have "a friend". But with the others, the "healthy" people, I feel I need to be thinner and I don't know why. I caught myself comparing myself to my six year old cousin the other day and when I actually sat down and thought about it, I couldn't stop crying.

>>7006906
>I hate myself more when I am fat then when I am thin and starving
You realize you could get in shape and then be neither fat nor starving. Fit people are an attractive sort of thin, while also looking healthy.

>>7006971

When you're anorexic, you are only either fat or starving. There is no healthy.

>>7006974
Yeah, I just meant that you don't have to be skinny to feel good, because there are options other than "out-of-shape fatass".

Of course, eating disorders don't exactly listen to logic, but hey, it might help I guess.

>>7006933
This could help but I guess it's hard to just be happy.
>>7006948
That feel, I wish I had someone to share a secret like that with. I know what you mean about comparing yourself to loli's it's hard not to do when little girls have such a perfect shape.

>>7006920
if you're a male
gtfo back to /fit

>>7006984
>I know what you mean about comparing yourself to loli's it's hard not to do when little girls have such a perfect shape.

Oh no, it's not so much I want to look like a little girl or comparing myself to "lolis", he's actually a male cousin, he just had such slender legs and arms!

It's not even sharing a secret, really. I don't talk about it with her, and I do a good job of covering up my issues. She doesn't know I suspect anything. But it still helps.

>>7006920
Essential fat % for females is 10% bruh

I don't know and maybe it's just me but for the longest time in my life I was 90-100lbs but that's all thanks to genetics. I didn't want to be that skinny but I didn't care either. However when I started taking birth control and gained some weight I was ok with that and now when I look at pictures of myself when I was super thin it's hard for me to think I was ever attractive being that skinny. It didn't look good, head to body proportions were weird.. So I guess it's hard for me to understand or sympathize when people want to be that skinny or skinnier than that.

>>7006992
oh I see, I baby sit a young girl who is the same height as me but is so slender and shaped like a ballerina. But I know what you mean now.

>>7006800
Jeezus, ok, >>7005976 here and I should probably clarify that yes, I'm gaining the weight I'm supposed to for the baby. I'm not starving myself or anything, in fact I'll be pretty much on target if I keep going at my current rate.

That whole thing with cravings meaning your body needs something is complete bull, by the way. Your body is not that specific. It makes you thirsty when it wants water and hungry when it wants salt and/or calories and that's about it. Deficiencies can show up in other ways like fatigue, etc, but not cravings.

I have been seeing my doctor regularly and even spoke with a nutritionist quite a few times. My normal diet is pretty healthy and I've only had to change up a few things for baby's sake. My cravings have primarily been for sugary foods because I'm trying to cut back to reduce the risk of diabetes (which I have a family history of and is common to develop during pregnancy) and I'm going through withdrawals.

This is my first time being pregnant and between the hormones and other rapid physical changes, yeah I'm a little distraught and emotional.

tl;dr You're a fucking bitch

>>7006160
Thank you for your concern, I am eating healthily and see my doctor regularly.

>>7006858
When did I say that I was starving myself to fit into lolita? In fact I made specific reference to the fact that I was gaining, knew it was normal and healthy. My priorities are just fine, thank you. That doesn't change the fact that it's emotionally stressful.

there's a girl who's thinner than me.

i'm fine with that, if I could ever in my wildest dreams manage to overtake her, she would probably feel pressured to do the same. We'd both just die or be sad
it's okay to not be the smallest one if it means we can all relax and eat cake without shame

>>7007014
Don't worry a lot of women feel a disconnect with their body. Just know that you are not alone in this and it is normal.

>>7006984
True. You can't just 'be happy' like that, but happiness is still very possible for you. I still have terrible body issues, but nothing like what you're going through. Still, I hope the best for you and the other Lollies going through this. Lolita is supposed to make us feel cute and safe, after all.

>>7006913
this. this type of thinking is like, "oh, ive won the battle", yeah, so? you've not won the war. in other words, sure youre thinner than her so you're "victorious" but once youre dead from your eating disorder, it is her that is victorious even if she is fat, but who knows, youll be dead and one day she may decide to excercise, lost weight and look great/fit. yes, very victorious. i pity you if the only thing that makes you feel good is being skinny and not fit skinny either. sure youre skinny, but what if you come about another female that is not only skinny but fit too?

>>7007021
Thank you, I actually feel a little better now than when I wrote my first post earlier. I think part of the problem was that I was feeling a little helpless or out of control about the whole thing. But then I realized there are steps I can take to make sure I feel more empowered, so I decided to set up a schedule for regular walks, am going to pay more attention to how much water I'm drinking, etc. Little things like that.

>>7006806
I wasn't trying to go all 'model culture' on you. and I apologize if I was unclear as well. These ads aren't of models, they're of 'successful ordinary people' in Japan that have managed to slim down in this fashion thanks to whatever product the ad is trying to sell. These ads are everywhere in Japanese magazines (literally the back of every gal zine is 20 pages of them), and products like these are sold everywhere. Appetite suppressants in Japan are sold in flavors and snack like containers; meal replacements with natural laxative additives come in bulk packs.

I wasn't trying to say you were wrong that lolita is considered 'a big girl's fashion' by the Japanese people; I was trying to say the entire culture of thin in Japan is twisted even by western standards and dangerous to the well-being of all girls who try to emulate it. Moreover if we take this already unhealthy standard and impose it on a race that is statistically bigger and taller than Japanese girl on average, you're just perpetuating a culture in where eating disordered behaviours are not only encouraged but acceptable.

>>7007001
same here. im 5'1.5" and i am uaully at 90 lbs. when i exercised for half a year lifting weights, cardio and swimming, i gained 10lbs in muscle weighing 100 then and still looked as skinny as i were before at 90lbs. i looked a lot better in terms of curvyness, boobs, a cute butt, etc. being 90 lbs i show more bone and that disgusts me. i dont want to look like a skeleton.

>>7007051
>>7006920
>>7005924
>>7005916
Oh shut up.
You do realise that you're oh so rational thinking doesn't resonate with anorexics anyway right? It's like telling someone with a clown phobia that it's just a man in paint- it's not that simple.
Many anorexics find the idea of being a beautiful, mummified corpse attractive, even though they know it's bad. It's not a rational thing.

Go try to tell Jehovahs Witnesses about evolution or something.

>>7007051
>Thinking of anorexia in logical terms

>mfw

>>7007033
I don't know why but this made me smile.

I think I need help as well.

I weighed myself last night and as of now, I am 5'8" and 176 lbs but I look like I am 140-150. Honestly no matter what I do I feel like my weight never changes. In high school I ran and ate regularly, but when college started I just ballooned up really bad. I've been restricting snacking, eating fruit, and drinking nothing but water, barley tea, and occassionally juice. I would like to fix everything but there's a lot for me to focus on. I wake up late, my roomates are up until 5-6 in the morning so it's hard to sleep well, and every time I buy groceries for me to eat they dig into it and eat my things. As a result I eat at late times (lunch around 3-4 PM and then dinner at 10) and for the past month I've been so upset and stressed that I am eating one meal a day or sometimes no meal at all. I rarely cook anymore because my roomates expect me to cook.

People tell me that I look fine and that I don't need to lose weight but the numbers depress me a lot. I didn't really lose the muscle I gained from tennis, swimming, and wrestling and my shoulders are about 17 inches across. I'm just really sad and I'm hoping one day I will become skinny and feel pretty for once.

Sorry for the rant. This has been bothering me for a while and I've just been in a rut.

>>7007082
Lift weights and count calories. It doesn't matter when you eat, just how much you do every day.

I think the big thing that comes out of reading that is you need to try to fix the room mate situations.

>>7007062
I'm happier now that I feel we both understand each other.
Let's strive to both attain our own separate goals of healthy beauty, and be savvy about things.

>>7007082

I have a 17/18" shoulder line. Super sage, but you aren't the only one out there, anon.

>>7006806
How the hell are you "swimming in lolita sizes" at a US 4? I wear a size 4, and I sure as hell am not swimming in lolita. To be honest, I can't wear a lot of unshirred brand. Granted, a lot of this has to do with me having a straight shape and large natural waist, but still. You are not fucking drowning in brand at a US 4.

>>7007107
Baby and AP.
I hear MM is different, though.

>>7007111
No, I wear Baby and AP, and I'm far from drowning in it. MM and VM are made for some sort of super race of tiny waisted beings unknown to me.
I am a 32-27/28-31.5, and while, as I said, most of my fitting issues come from my waist measurement, there is no way that someone who is a "size 4" (typically a 33.5-25-35 fit) would be swimming in most brand.
yes, my bloomers are in a bunch.

>>7007122
I guess I could be wrong, since nothing I've worn sits on my natural waist. But as for bust and shoulders? Definitely swimming.
Many shirred JSKs really do go up to a US 10 though, but you can call me liar if you like, because I'm not going to go spend an hour proving it on HelloLace.

>>7007148
Switch to unshirred pieces. Everyone knows shirred pieces are for heavier people. I never argued against that.

>>7007157
I'm sorry while I understand your point, I thought we were talking about western girls fitting into brand in general. I didn't realise partial shirring rendered a brand's status as null and void.

>>7007107
Anon is wrong, UK 6 is actually a US 2, or at least it's supposed to be. I'm a 6 and I sometimes fit US 0 because of vanity sizing.

Lolita can be a motivator, but don't let it be the sole purpose.

I've lost 30lbs since getting into Lolita and 65 overall since my highest weight. I have another 20lbs to go. I've lost about 10cm all over. I don't have a small frame, and no matter how much body fat I lose, a good chunk of partial shirring isn't even going to fit me. I've learned to be pretty content going with full back shirring as most releases I like offer at least one version that will fit me. But the best thing I can do is try to make myself look better in what I will be able to fit. Rather than feel fat and miserable that I'll never fit into certain things. It's important to realize that it's really who the clothes are aimed at and if you can fit them, well, good!

For me, I find that a 100cm bust 34cm underbust (I have a DD cup) tends to work well with most everything full back shirred from AP. But I usually wear corsets to get a more proper shape and to avoid the boobloaf look. I have a couple of Baby and IW jsks, and Meta Skirts. There was stuff I fit into not so well at higher measurements, but where I am now isn't too bad at all. I'd like to go about 4-6cm smaller, which will be another 20lbs or so, putting me about 20lbs under what the max healthy weight would be for my height.

I lost quite a bit of weight, before I got into lolita although not for lolita.

I'm 5'8 and 143 pounds, with 36 bust -27 waist-38 hip measurements. I fit most brand fine, although I do wish my measurements were smaller. I'd love to wear VM or MM but it seems like I'm just a little bit (a couple of cms) too big for it :/ I aim to be 121 pounds one day. I have had body issues for a long time, and never can tell when I'm getting bigger or smaller.

>>7007215
>never can tell when I'm getting bigger or smaller.
oh this this

I'm so glad to see a thread like this. Lately I've been feeling SO unconfortable wearing lolita and with my body in general, and it's mostly because I gained A LOT of weight; Right now I can only fit in things with shirring and I just don't want to wear lolita because of that. My body type is hourglass but I want a pear shaped body so bad, I've been considering waist training but I also have to loose a massive amount of weight and I don't know how to start.
D-Does somebody want to be my landwhale loosing weight companion?

>>7006157
>>7006125
Have you considered that maybe you have PCOS (Polycystic ovarian syndrome) or some other endocrine disorder? I don't want to armchair diagnose you but you have very common symptoms of this disease. It may be in your best interested to read up on the subject and visit a doctor as not only will a proper diagnosis help you lose weight, but will prevent serious issues further down the road. I have been struggling with symptoms since I hit puberty and was only officially diagnosed within the last year, and let me tell you it was miserable. I had random weight gain spurts every time I took metabolism affecting medication like some antibiotics and birth control- I jumped over 65 pounds cumulative within a year and am currently 90 pounds overweight. Even with excessive dieting, exercise (marathon training), and medication it still has not budged. Fortunately my insurance greenlighted me to see an endocrinologist so hopefully I can start down the right path to health, self esteem, and pretty loli clothes.

First step I suggest taking is visiting your OBGYN- not only will they be able to push you in the right direction, but can also address the issues you are having with your menstrual cycle- which at its current rate is very, very unhealthy. Another thing to try is an endocrinologist. They are the jack-of-all-trades for metabolic issues and will help diagnose and medicate you for whatever disorder it turns out you are suffering from.

Best of luck, anon. I know those feels.

>>7007318
I still have some pieces (mostly JSKs) that fit me...but I was in an auto accident and had to stop lifting etc and gained back 20lbs. 8l
I'm 160lbs or so right now and want to bring myself down to 130lbs, maybe a little less.
My highest as 200lbs, lowest 147lbs. (Right before the accident.)

Totally up for partners.

>>7004801
I wouldn't necessarily call it the wrong attitude...but someone will _always_ call you fat, just to be a bitch.
If you find some of the clothing that fits you right, then you're not "too heavy" for the fashion...and lolita shouldn't be the main reason for wanting to drop lbs.

That said, I'm guilty of having one of my motivators be lolita related...I'd like to at least try to fit in VM or JetJ someday. (Still not sure if possible despite how little I get because ribcage and cupsize.)

>>7007353

Out of curiosity, what is your bust and underbust? I've been trying to figure out whether mine is big or not; I've got a 70cm underbust and 86cm bust.

>>7007359
My bust is 100cm.
I THINK my underbust is 87cm but I can't find my measuring tape(s) anywhere to check.

>>7007384
Oh, My guesstimate is that at 130lbs my underbust will be 80cm, not much smaller. There really isn't much fat there right now.

>>7006682
>The style emphasizes modesty and purity. It's not a style meant to attract the opposite sex.
>Jesus wept.
Is this what feminist truly believe? Those are very attractive qualities in a woman today. You just don't see it enough among Western women. The opposites of modesty and purity are lewdness and slutty. The attracts some more baser men but that shouldn't be the gold standard that defines a woman's sexuality.

>>7007107
It depends on your shape more than your size. I'm a US 4 and definitely swim in brand, mostly due to being 5'0 and having an hourglass shape.

>>7007396
>>7007107

>not taking into account vanity sizing

stop posting stupid arbitrary 'sizes' that clothing brands can change as they see fit to sell more (ooh I used to be a size '9' now I'm a '3'? buy all the 3 things!) and post your MEASUREMENTS to get an actual reading on how much bigger or smaller someone is than you

>>7007394
Perhaps I didn't make myself very clear. Without going into what makes a woman attractive, Lolita is not a style that focuses on sexuality. Rather it focuses on a doll-like childlike appearance. Feminine, but not sexual. Girlish, but not womanly.

>>7007555
Around these parts, 4chan that is, those are very sexy qualities. Lolicon is the most popular fetish on /a/ for a reason. I'd love to have a gf that was girlishly cute and feminine, yet mature and level-headed when need be.
It obvious that you really don't get how guys think. If lolita fashion weren't sexually attractive to guys, then why do all these lolitas tell stories about them having sex all dressed up? Aren't those clothes expensive. They'd only do that if they or the guy/girl were into it.

>>7007579
"It obvious that you really don't get how guys think."

And it's obvious you're not getting my point, but to each his own.

>>7007579
Not to mention, not every man in the world is on 4chan and not every lolli wants to be the object of his fetish.

>>7007318
Waist training doesn't work. Anyone who says it does is under the wrong impression how excerise works or is trying to sell you a shitty program. People like to argue that it works due to the exercising involved but it all boils down to lean diets and reducing body fat.

>>7007621
Never said they were nor that it was every guy's fetish. Just because you like something doesn't mean you are fetishizing it. A preference for a certain look or personality in someone is not a fetish. My original point was that anon said those involved in lolita fashion were aiming for femininity and cuteness and not sexiness. I'm simply saying the two are not mutually exclusive. Some guys may find lolitas to be sexy while others may say, Oh, that's cute, interesting, odd, etc." and think no more of it. I can tell this fashion attracts more insular and guarded girls towards it but that doesn't equate the fashion to being a penis deflector. Nothing will stop a determined dick.

>>7007579

Not the anon you're replying to, but I'd like to point that a board that's already full of lolicon-loving guys will attract more lolicon-loving guys, but outside of /a/ they don't represent the majority of male interest.

Your story about lolitas having sex all dressed up is a case in point, you pay attention and remember it because you like. However, in reality, the number of "my bf likes lolita" stories are far, far outnumbered by "my bf hates lolita, what do", "bf told me to get rid of lolita", "how to get my bf to stop trash talking my favorite fashion", etc.

Comments like >>7005924
are very common here, as are ageplayer allegations and "lolita is ugly hurr durr".

Not really trying to argue with you, as you obviously get that different males have different preferences, I'm just pointing out that lolitas think the fashion does turn away males because they really do get a lot of complaints from males about wearing lolita.

>>7007667
But, anon, most males nowadays value modesty and a woman not being a slut! Not being sexual at all is so sexually attractive! All males ever are like this, so of course all of them are going to be soooo turned on by lolita, even though it's weird as fuck for anyone who doesn't like japanese pop culture.

>>7007669
This derail is stupid. This thread is supposed to be about lollis and their weight issues, not about whether you get boner over bows and bonnets and what not. Either stay on topic or go back to drooling over lollis on /a/ board.

>>7007318

If you're on MFP throw me a username, and I'll befriend you anon.

I've lost A LOT of weight over the past few years, and a few of the stories on here really resonate with me. I'll admit it, I didn't lose the weight (initially) to fit into better clothes: but, I can't lie that it is one of my primary motivations now. It's terrifying really, a few years ago close to a size 20 (UK) I'd have KILLED to be a size 12-14 (UK)- quite happily. Now I'm down to a size 8-10, I feel huge still, I found myself sitting in the car next to my Mum when we were going on holiday telling myself I was easily twice the size of her (when she wears a 12-14), and then comparing myself to people that are a size 16. I was looking at a few pictures of a race I ran a few weeks back and was horrified when I saw my thighs compared to the other runners there.

It terrifies me quite honestly that I'm still not happy, and the further this goes down the line the worse my relationship with food is becoming. I'd like to think I'm an intelligent lady, and I can see myself slowly falling into the trap of an eating disorder. I can quite happily see why these ladies are getting so small: I hate to burst anybodies bubble, but the further I go down this the more I'm starting to feel like I'm never going to be 'happy' with myself, at some point I'm going to have to compromise. It's the big reason why I want to get back to the weights (and will come September), as I do feel it's going to be the only way I'll be able to get close to what I want.

>>7005887
You know people with thyroid problems generally only can attribute 10% of gained weight to their illness?

>>7006887
Seconding MyFittnessPal, lost 8kgs with it.

>>7006897
I can relate to the winner feeling. I lost 8kg by not really doing anything or paying any attention to it, but still when I noticed that I was the thinnest out of my friend circle I felt accoplished and "better". I think it has to do with low self-esteem. Being thinner than the pretty girl you envy makes you feel better than her in some way, because deep down you feel like you're inferior to her.

I switched meds from an SSRI that made me bloat up an extra 30 pounds to an NDRI that makes your appetite virtually nonexistant and gives you energy without making you a shaky maniac like ritalin did to me. I'm back down to my measurements from last fall, before I started my SSRI, and my lolita fits normally again (instead of being way too tight like they were all winter). I still eat junky stuff once in a while but my calorie intake is so much lower than it used to be that sometimes I just forget to eat. it's almost dangerous because I never used to forget to eat before, and now it seems like a real hazard. When my blood sugar is low I feel faint or sick, so I need to remind myself to have something substantial to eat in the morning before I do anything strenuous. Planning on working out and cutting back on the junk food once fall semester starts, so my measurements will probably go down some from that too. Oh, and I want to keep doing beginner ballet on weekends, but I'm not sure I could manage it with my part time job and a full course load. If by some miracle I do it would be amazing. And I'd be sore every weekend. Better than chickening out on going to the gym though because dancing makes me feel more accomplished, engaged, and happy than running on a treadmill or riding an exercise bike.

polite sage because that was long sorry

>>7007721
hey maybe you should talk to a therapist or a counselor or a psychologist so you can figure out ways to cope with your feelings of being unhappy with your body, preventing an ED is really important to maintaining your health, and you'll probably be better of in the long run.

>>7007805

I'm taking steps in that direction, I think it's just very hard to admit to anyone else that I have a problem. I've only been able to admit it to myself in the past few months. But thank you. :)

>>7007825
thats good to hear, anon. admitting you have a problem is definitely the first step (as cliche as it is) so working to curb those behaviors before they get severe is definitely a good choice. best of luck.

I can't believe its not butter.

For all of those girls with the soft and waif-thin legs, how do they achieve that body type? I'm 5'1" and I've been trying to lose weight by cutting back on calories and working out, and although I'm losing weight, I don't get much thinner because of muscle development.

Do you have to have the genetics for it? I've worked so hard for it, the healthy way and the unhealthy way, and I've never even gotten close. At this point, I'm going to accept that I'll never be able to be that thin.

>>7010432
Probably genetics.
Or you're body dysmorphic and actually have skinny legs.

>>7005013
Don't worry, didn't feel too bad. Just really glad you're past it now.

>>7006784
I understand that feel. Got thick bones, legs covered in both muscle and fat. I'll never be kawaii.

>>7010432
It's really genetics. No matter how much weight you lose, you'll always be pre-disposed to a specific shape... unless you get to a dangerously low, skeletal level. But if you carry more weight in the lower part of your body, your legs might get thinner, but they're not going to be tiny. I have the opposite problem. My weight is all up top. And while I'm certainly a lot smaller and less busty than I used to be, my cup size really hasn't changed. My boobs look much smaller but they're remained proportionate to my upper-body.

I lost 22 lbs after getting into lolita. It was the same time I finally stopped giving any fucks about an ex-boyfriend and decided to have a life again so I decided to get hotter. I hope you all lift too otherwise you'll be skinnyfat forever.

>>7007802
I feel you, an SSRI is what made me gain the weight in the first place.

I moved to Japan when I was 21. At the time, I had never felt fat, and never been on a diet. (I was 65kg at 5'5") But eventually it started to get to me - I really liked all the fashion, and it bothered me that I could MAYBE fit into an L size. I felt so unattractive.

I managed to lose 11kg, and for 3 years now I've maintained 52-55kg. I generally always fit a Japanese M now, though bust and hips can occasionally be a problem. A big part of me still wants to hit 50kg though. Not sure I can manage it though.

I love living here, but it made me had having an hourglass figure. Not of the clothes here suit it. I just want to be skinny and straight up and down so I can wear all those cute floaty baggy things and look cute rather than like a whale.

What makes it worse is that my boyfriend has somehow been losing weight without even trying, and now weighs 50kg at 5'6". He keeps telling me to eat more and it really frustrates me.

Sometimes I feel like I should go home just so I can feel skinny.

>>7010469
made me hate* having

>>7010469
Oh lord. I'm about 56-59kg and about to stay in japan for a year. I know that ""hourglass"" feel and I'm worried that I won't be able to get anything cute/flattering! Aughhh

>ongeRn McLean

>>7010481

Going to be honest, most stuff isn't flattering since it poofs out over your breasts and hides your waist. Depending on the brand you can find nice stuff, but depending on your height it probably won't quite hit your natural waist.

I wear a lot less dresses than I'd like to, because skirts with tucked in blouses are actually a lot more flattering if you have an hourglass figure here. (of course then the challenge is finding skirts that will fit over your hips, but not be baggy on the waist....)