/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I love a lot of what they do, but can't wear some of my favourite designs. They have a habit of putting a seam and frill across the bust, which just looks awful on anyone with a larger chest.
The Scent of Rapunzel jsk sticks out in my mind for this. Love that dress but can never wear it.

>>6933358
>They have a habit of putting a seam and frill across the bust
This is precisely why I had to sell my first lolita dress. I bought it before my tits were fully developed, the next year it didn't fit because I grew a cup size. That was AP, though, not AatP.

>>6933345
I like that AatP at least tries experimenting with new cuts and styles. If you compare them to other brands they look more hit or miss but that's because they don't really resort to the ~5 "trademark cuts" every brand has for their new releases(Moitie is especially guilty of this lately). That means they will fail more often, but you get more diversity in exchange. I like that.

>>6933358
Funny you say that, because I find many AatP items flattering on me despite having DDs. Maybe we're just looking at different designs from them.

I'm a sweet lolita, but my dream dress was an AATP print, Black Cat, Witch and the Apple Tree. It's beautiful in person but jesus, it looks hideous on me.

Anon are you me? I feel exactly the same way about Baby and AatP. They're hit or miss. Both with design and quality. AatP is more hit than Baby, but still then, some of their stuff is beautiful while other stuff looks like I could get it on Bodyline (design-wise, not necessarily quality wise) (lookin' at u Polka Dot a la Mode JSK). I don't own any of their pieces, but I've also heard that some of them are just straight up wonky. I'm surprised so many people love Baby so much, but, hey, different strokes for different folks, I guess.

All but five of my top fifteen are AatP dresses, the vast majority of them being from 2010. That was a really good year for them.

Like 2-3 years ago everyone was shitting their pants over aatp and I believe it was voted most popular brand on egl in a end of year poll. But lately their prints are so manky.

>>6934438
For me it isn't the prints, it's the damn bodices! They're cut absolutely horribly to me.

>>6934386
>AatP is more hit than Baby

Really? That's disappointing. I've been wanting some things from them for a long time. I usually have trouble with Baby's products (the bodice being cut at odd places). Are the boobs and waist lines typically higher than necessary with Aatp's stuff too? It's sometimes hard for me to tell because they tend to make corset styled things.

Baby/AatP is a miss for me ALL THE TIME. If I like the print, then the cuts are unflattering as fuck, and if the cuts are good, the print isn't to my liking. I can never win with them. Midsummer Night's Dream was a dream print of mine but I ended up selling both versions of the dress because it looked awful on me. Too bad that skirts look awful on me too.

My favorite brand, for a couple of reasons.

I fit basically all of their designs and cuts, and I have yet to get something of theirs that is unflattering, but I am shaped roughly like your average Japanese girl (only taller) so that may have something to do with it. Speaking of height, that's another reason I love them--longer dresses! Even their shorter dresses are often long enough for me.

Also, I like their particular blend of sweet, classic, and gothic. The designer(s) for AatP are also creative, so you end up with lots more interesting designs.

Obviously, I don't automatically adore everything they release, but I'm much more likely to fall in love with something from AatP than from IW or BABY.

they're plus sized for lolita these days.

>>6934493
Poopy. I've wanted to own that print for a long while, especially two months ago when my university did that play. There should be more Shakespeare related designs.

>>6934493
Poopy. How exactly did the skirt not work? Too short?

I've wanted to own that print for a long while, especially two months ago when my university did that play. There should be more Shakespeare related designs.

>>6934542
Just curious, but what's the average Japanese girl shaped like?

>>6934555
Are they really? I know they were offering larger sizes of some dresses for awhile, but that seems to have fizzled out.

>>6934566
Well, based on the Lolita designs and the other Japanese clothing I have, I would say slim with a small to medium bust and slim to medium hips. Hips don't matter much in Lolita, though.

>>6934560
I agree that there should be more Shakespeare related prints. I thought that AatP would do more after Midsummer and that Romeo+Juliet one.
Skirts in general make me look like a giant rectangle so I don't like the way they look whereas dresses make it look like I have a waist.

>>6934566
Lol, what I meant was they're pretty large for what I assume the average Japanese girl is, speaking as a slightly taller than average but regular weight asian girl. If they're large on me, can't imagine what they'd be like on bitty japanese girls. I liked Pirates because their sizes were smaller, but they're getting bigger too.

>>6934662
Just how tall are you? The lolita brands tend to make a Japanese size 9 which is around 34" bust and 27" waist. The VR rerelease JSK was a little bigger than the original but I have not noticed a trend of AatP getting larger.

I think AatP dropped in popularity because the prints just haven't been stellar. In 2010 they had a bunch of hits (Sleeping Beauty, Masquerade Theater, Midsummer's Night Dream, Queen's Coach) and all hot off the heels of Vampire Requiem. With the exception of Vampire Prelude they have not released anything I MUST reserve since then.

>>6934940
The only one since then that I wish I had gotten on reserve is the Treasure Hunt in the Mystic Islands Alvida JSK. I have to agree though, they've definitely tapered off. They used to have such elegant bodices and really distinctive print styles, like you could look at a thumbnail and recognize the print immediately.

Their recent releases have been killing me a bit. I got so excited when I saw previews for the Mermaid in the Jewelry Box print but the way the print was arranged just didn't appeal. Clockwork Aristo Kitty was cute, but the bodice designs were crap, and same goes with their latest print. It's just so disappointing.

>>6934955
>but the way the print was arranged just didn't appeal
Ugh. Tell me about it. I reserved Aristo Kitty because I couldn't help myself. I have a soft spot for fluffy black cats and always have. I'm pretty flat chested, so I don't anticipate the bodice being a problem either. But it would suck for anyone above a B cup.

>>6934957
Mermaid in the Jewelry Box broke my heart so bad. I was waiting for AatP to do something pirate-y again and we got... that print.

Haha I was tempted with Aristo Kitty because harlequin, clocks, and cute kitties is just so cute. I was broke though, and the JSK wasn't impressive enough to make me dig into my reserves. Might pick up the SK on comm_sales or something someday though.

>>6934960
I'm tacky and not afraid to admit it, so when I saw harlequin diamonds AND polka dots with cats on top, I was done for. I have no idea how to coordinate it yet. Absolutely none.

And I was insanely disappointed by the poison apple print. I love all things apple-related (I own four pieces from the Meta corduroy apple series, ffs), but the proportions are just all wrong between the bookshelves and the border print. It looks ridiculous.

>>6934962
I was excited because I love bookstuff. But the print looks so bland and washed out it resembles that other library print some taobao brand was taking preorders for.
The snow white dress they hand was interesting but way too similar to every other snow white dresses around

>>6934966
I really liked the Wicked Princess dress, yeah. I very seriously considered reserving it, but waited too long, and it's now sold out. It's for the best, I suppose. I rarely get to go too over the top with my coordinates and that dress absolutely _demands_ an over the top coordinate.

>>6934962
Are you me? My inner mallgoth has a thing for H. Naoto cutsews and the like despite knowing I'll look like a Hot Topic reject from 2000. HMHM has a harlequin skirt out that I want so bad but can't afford because I bought a dream dress.

Maybe co-ord it with a fuckton of steampunk jewelry from Etsy. I mean, if you're going to be tacky, go all out.

The poison apple print is kinda tempting for me because I love book prints. But the texturing or whatever on it was just... off looking to me, and again I didn't like the JSK designs.

>>6934967
I would feel more like a barmaid from Fable in the dress than a princess really. I liked the headress the best though.

>>6934974
Hilarious. I may be. I just bought a ten year old gawthicgawth h.naoto BLOOD dress on auction, as well as a BPN corset/vest/overdress thing and GRAMM pants. I'm a real sucker for h.naoto stuff, especially the deconstructed pieces with heaps of sheer layers and venise lace. It confuses people, though. I do admit.

I wore a casualish GRAMM and frill coordinate to a convention a while back because I didn't feel like coping with petticoats in the heat. I had another lolita try to sell me on TaoBao brands and educate me on the ways of lolita ... until I told her "Dude, I'm so-and-so from Facebook. I usually have glasses? I'm on your friends list." We had a little laugh about it later and she apparently felt really embarrassed.

>>6934979
Ohhh pics of your haul? BPN, BOZ, and the other aristocrat brands are just amazing. They make me wish I weren't a shorty. And it's so hard to resist some h.Naoto stuff and it goes for dirt cheap on auction sites.

Awww the poor girl. At least she was brave enough to talk to someone she thought was an ita and try to steer them in the right direction. Was she persuasive?

Posting one of my dream dresses to be semi on topic.

>>6934988
Current haul:
>>6930101

Still waiting on a few other pieces to end, but they're going for another four or five days yet. And the pants? Skirt? I'm not sure which it is, but I can't wait to pair it with some patterned leggings and a BPN-style chiffon buttcape for peek-a-boo fun times.

She was really nice about it! And we're actually pretty good friends now as a result of that. I just kind of had to hold back the laughter while she was offering to email me links, because it's stuff that I generally post for newcomers to our community.

I mean, I _know_ a lot of h.naoto stuff looks awful from a lolita perspective, but the only lolita-esque item I had on was the bolero. The dress was nearly ankle length and has those crazy hand-glove-pocket things that GRAMM so often uses.

And to contribute as well, another of my own dream dresses.

>>6934991
Annnd another. Which I'll probably never find.

>>6934991
Unf, that's a very nice haul, and it sounds like much fun will ensue once it reaches you.

I'm honestly amazed that h.naoto is whitelisted. Most of it is no more loliable than something you'd find at F21. It is odd that she saw an ensemble like that and thought you were going for lolita and just really missing the mark though.

Kuranosuke JSK~ One of the best collab items I've seen.

>>6935011
To be fair, there were several booths at that convention selling GLP and Punk Rave "lolita" items that look similar to h.naoto items in terms of fabric choice, so I can see why she assumed that I was going for SUPERGAWTHICLOLITA! with what I had on. It happens. I wasn't particularly offended, just amused.

And I know. The Kuranosuke JSK is so hard to find, though. I can't remember the last time I saw it come up for sale!

And speaking of Tacky Goth stuff, I loved the Grizabella series, but I had just reserved the Aristo Kitty JSK, so I had to pass on it. Oh well.

>>6934356
Hell, I'm a gothic/classic lolita and Black Cat/Witch/Apple Tree is one of my dream dresses. Pic very much related.

>>6935018
Ahhh that explains it! It really is amusing.

I've never seen the Kuranosuke JSK for sale. Oddly enough though I have seen a Frankenwinnie collab for sale, and the Disney collab items are everywhere.

I love the headpiece for that series, it's just so loud.

Purple needs to be a bigger color in lolita.

>>6935026
It came up on Closet Child ages ago, but sold immediately. I remember my Facebook had about five people crying over missing out on it. haha

I still hold out hope, though. I managed to find the Edward Skull Skirt after four years of searching, so I'm sure I can one day find that damned stripe JSK.

>>6935032
It's because of Kuranosuke's awesomeness. It rubbed off on the dress. (I'm clearly a Kuragehime fan huh?)

Argh I love that skirt! It's really expensive though isn't it? Pic related is my first dream dress ever, and I still haven't gotten it.

>>6935039
Actually, I managed a miracle on it. The seller didn't know what it was, typo'd the brand name and had it photographed on the dress form SIDEWAYS. No one else bid on it, so I got it at the starting cost: 4500yen.

>>6935047
HOLYMOTHERFUCKING SHIT. I've seen that skirt go for $300 secondhand. You got one hell of a deal there. And I was proud of the deal I scored on Mbok last week.

>>6935054
Yeah, I had considered buying one from Trample Clothing that was listed at $300, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it, because it wasn't the one I wanted most. Then, the one I REALLY WANTED came up on Y!JA for that cheap and I leapt on it. It was in really good condition, too. Buttons and chains all snugly attached, no boning coming through the waist or anything. I was over the fucking moon.

>>6935059
Oh man, it's close to impossible to find boned AatP that isn't poking through. One of the biggest things that makes me wish I hadn't missed the reservation for Masquerade Theater. It's really great you found exactly what you wanted for such a great deal though.

>>6935066
It was damned exciting to get it after such a long time waiting to find it (and missing several others on Closet Child in the past). Finding it for that cheap was just a giant cherry on top.

>>6935073
Cherries are really tasty...

I actually missed two auctions for MT items in red. The SK and JSK, both because I was at school and didn't have easy access to my funds. The red JSK went for a bit over $200 which is damn cheap for MT in its most desired colorway.

I'm at the point where I'm just going to save up and have a dedicated Masquerade Theater fund. The damn dress has been taunting me for 3 years now. The only other dress I've wanted this long is Gathered Chiffon in Iris.

>>6935084
MT is a pain to find in decent shape without shelling out $400+ these days. I'd love to have the OP in red or ivory.

I see sets go sometimes on auction, but the price always sneaks higher and higher in the last hour or so.

>>6935091
>>6935084
In case you hadn't seen;
>>6898160

>>6935096
I saw. I unfortunately don't have a single one of the dresses she wants to trade for. At least, not in the colorway she wants.

>>6935100
That's a shame. It was worth a shot.

>>6935091
Yeah, I'm tempted just to put away $500 or something so I can get my hands on the dress someday. But not for awhile because I kinda want to buy one of the huge AatP LPs. Jump on the Luckypack madness train that catches everyone in December.

>>6935096
I had seen that, but not only do I not have anything she'd trade for, I also can't stand OPs for some reason. Thanks though!

>>6935102
Actually, I take that back. I have red Castle of Nightmare JSK. Hm.

>>6935106
I got my first AatP LPs this year. I always seemed to miss Baby's LPs in the past, so I grabbed the Noble Lady and Female Pirates packs. I still can't decide if I was disappointed or not.

The packs I ordered were meant to have three dresses total according to the LP listings. I got two JSKs and ... an apron. That matched nothing else in the pack. From stock photos, it looks like said apron is part of a set with an OP, but that OP was nowhere to be seen, so I still wonder if it went missing.

The coat I got is pretty awesome, though. Incredibly warm. And one of the JSKs was the velvet version of the operetta JSK with the round lapels in front. Really pretty. Reeeally lush. Nice hair accessories as well.

I also got the birdcage purse (pic related), which was okay with me, since I had the matching JSK already, and a flocked tea-length skirt from a series I can't identify. The accessories were weird, though. A printed neckbow that, again, matched nothing, a ribbon brooch pin and a toy soldier necklace. Bit weird, but that's an LP for ya.

>>6935123
LPs always look like so much fun, and AatP is the only brand that I consistently love almost everything. I keep debating and debating on if I should get one or not. The posts where people get really great stuff keep tempting me.

Maybe they tossed the apron into the LP because it didn't have an OP to go with it anymore. Other than that though it sounds like you got a pretty good haul.

>>6935130
Yeah, I shouldn't complain. I think I just got spoilt by the IW LP I got the year before. Every single piece but one was amazing (and that was the goofy satin dress everyone got, lol).

>>6935135
Everyone seems to love IW LPs. They always give so much stuff! I just don't always love IW so I'm hesitant. Especially because florals aren't my thing. Everyone got that JSK, so seeing all the haul posts were kinda funny.

I can't choose if I like the Versailles Rose or Versailles Rose Ribbon JSKs.

>>6935138
The versailles collabs were always really pretty. It'd be hard to choose no matter what. I think I prefer the bodice on the rose ribbon version, though.

>>6935138
>>6935130
>mfw I own both
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>>6935140
It's not suprising that the Versailles collabs are lovely since the band dresses really well.

>>6935144
Mad jelly here.

>>6934996
This is kind of random, but was there a Salopette version of the Kuronosuke dress? Or something like that? I remember hitting up the La Foret in Harajuku a few years ago and they had this cool stripey... thing... In the AatP section that looked very similar to the dress you posted, but it wasn't actually a dress.

>>6935177
It was sheer luck. I've been in love with Versailles since 2009, way before I started buying lolita. The 2009 jsk was my first big brand item and a local girl sold it to me, she was super kind because I had no feedback of any sort and we had only met once before.

The 2010 one took me more than a year to track down, and I got hit with customs pretty badly (60% of the total value) but I managed to afford it. I don't know what to do with the detachable bows on the back though, they droop very sadly because I have a narrow back but I can't figure out a way to alter them.

>>6935253
I feel like the secondhand market is like 90% luck and 5% knowing people.

I'm not a fan of Versailles's music since Kamijo's engrish gets me, but the pictures of the group are amazing eye candy. I fell in love with the collab JSK after seeing Buttcape's wardrobe post. Of course that entire post was serious clothing porn.

>>6935253
Sad to hear about your bow saggyness as well hopefully you find a way to alter it.

>>6934940
Seconding this. The only things by them since 2010 that are on my priority list are Gloria, Marini Sailor, and Night Fairy Fantasia. They're still my favorite brand by far, though.

>>6935529
Oh, and The End of Eden. Oh sweet Jesus, how I love that dress.

>>6935096
>>6935105
I'm the girl who posted that. I appreciate the referral very much, but I actually just shipped my red OP out yesterday for my half of a trade.

>>6935532

End of Eden in any color. All of my hnnnng!

>>6934940
I'm 5'3, not tall generally speaking but I thought most Japanese girls were around 5'1. I remember AatP being very popular when they started doing prints, but it's cooled down a lot.

>>6935024

I love it in the ivory colourway, but I bought mine in the other JSK style and in black. I always wonder if perhaps I should've gone for the lighter colourway. Maybe I'll be able to trade or something.

>>6935224
There are a couple of a striped salopettes. The one that has a full bodice and not the "overall" front was called the Crowne Stripe Salopette JSK and came out in silver x black, black x black and pink x black, but it was unrelated to the collaboration. It was a sort of jacquard material and was quite cute. I actually own it in silver x black, because it's similar to the Kuranosuke JSK in design. Pic related.

>>6936073
There was also the Lace Flocky Salopette, which had a bubblehem and came in the same colourways.

>>6936079
And finally, the Crown Stripe Salopette Pants, which came with a really neat criss-cross-y side bit.

>>6936086
The side bit in question, which I love.

>>6936089
oh man, that's really cute.

>>6936079
Ah! That was it! Thanks! I knew it'd look awful on me but it was so cute on the hangar...

>>6934996
This is one of my biggest disappointments... I watched it on the site in my size sit there for like six months, figure it'd be there forever... then when I finally was ready... sold out. Never seen anyone really wear it or go for sale. ;_;
If anyone does have it, please show the world! It's okay if I can't have it, I just want to live vicariously through those that do.

I have 4 dresses now from them and am happy with all of them. But most certainly there were releases that came out that just were not to my style. I think all in all though it's for the best for my wallet.

I own the babydoll Midsummer jsk in ivory, I snagged it for $270 from Mbok. I'm not an AatP/BtSSB fan but this one was special.

I still haven't worn it. I'm not sure how, I'm a plain jane coord person and I feel like I wouldn't live up to the hype.

>>6939247
Fuck the hype. That series is beautiful enough on its own. Just add a bolero or blouse, some tights and cute shoes and rock it!

>>6939234
Aristokitty is gorgeous, isn't it?

>>6942031
I cannot resist clocks and kitties~!

Just trying to find some tights to go with it. Over the knee socks always fall down on me :x

Stock image attached.

I'm new to lolita but I really love aatp This is my collection of their stuff so far and majority of was bought while in Japan in the second hand shops. I didn't even mean to buy this much aatp, just their pieces spoke to me the most. I find a lot of their dresses are quite flattering on my bodyshape and I really like the gothic themes while still being colourful.

>>6944539
What is the red and blue striped dress called?

Favorite prints:
Dance of the Black Cats, Midsummer night's dream, Twilight Circus, Kuranosuke JSK, End of Immortal Eden

I prefer BtSSB's fairytale prints though, She is Sleeping applique, Wizard of Oz, Scent of Rapunzel, Mother Goose (name?). And their Pocket Embroidery and Princess JSK's are awesome, they do well with non-print princess dresses.

I hate the Beauty and the Rose Promise fabric though, I don't like how shiny it is, I feel like it cheapens the dress.

>>6944615
Name of the Rose.

>>6944629
As an owner of that dress and other AatP satin items, I don't get how many people says this. The fabric is super soft and luscious, and gives a very elegant feel to the dress. It's beautiful in person.

>>6945458
It's good for some colors and designs but there are times and personal preferences where you would prefer a different fabric

>>6935253
Hey anon, question from someone else with the bustier-style JSK- what's your bust? Mine feels very tight on me sometimes even though I only have an 84-85 cm bust, I just wonder if this series was smaller than normal...

>>6945458
It reflects horribly in photos from what I've seen and looks very cheap (even if it feels nice), it would be a dream print of mine too if not for that fabric.

Just got this a couple days ago. I ordered it back in March, and I'd kind of forgotten about it until it arrived. It looks a lot better in person than in stock photos (Aatp takes the worst stock photos ever).

My dream dress is Dance of the Black Cats. Any colourway. It sparked my love for AatP, even though half their designs will look awful on me.

>>6946899
So elegant! Hng!

Sage because offtopic.

>>6946899
I think Baby/AATP and IW tie for worst stock photos. They always look totally off, and actually on that topic, I very often find that I don't fall in love with a Baby/AATP piece until I see worn photos of it... happened with Rose has a Secret Scent, among others.

>>6947005
Baby/AatP almost always have the same stupid petticoat that makes the skirts look horrible. Kills me a bit every time.

>>6946827
My bust is a 28DD, so around your size. AatP is very accomodating for small ribcages and doesn't give as much boobloaf as other brands do.

>>6947005
While I think Meta's stock photos are worse (shit, they don't iron or steam ANYTHING), IW and AatP's items do almost always look better in person. Especially when the photographer got lazy and the detail photos are all blurry. haha

>>6948198
Yeah, every AatP dress I've ever seen in person is so much lovelier than in the stock photos. I gave shit none about MT until I saw it in person, now it's one of my dream dresses.

>>6934996
You could always temporarily get a Chess Story jsk until you get this one. Same stripes and similar design.

>>6950838
This was my exact thought when I saw that release, heh.