/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>implying typical its mentality will make any attempts work

They'll just get fussy, give you a lecture on lolita being more than just the fashion, and say you're bullying them.

I wouldn't actually mind this. I just bought my second jsk today (both are innocent world) and I am slowly preparing my lolita collection. I have even thought about posting pictures on cgl for critiques, but because I have a darker complexion, it is probably not a good idea. I don't want to really sift through the comments such as "blacks shouldn't be wearing lolita" for any meaningful critiques. I really do want to know how to buy wigs that won't clash with my skin tone though.

I've tried OP, they just ask for advice then whine and not take it. "should I wear a petti with my trash DoL SC replica that you told me not to buy? Yes? Well I think a petti makes it too childish." or "These shoes are only in stock in 2 sizes too small for me, should I buy them anyway, I have wide feet. No? Oh well I did, but they don't fit.

Imagine that, why the fuck ask me anything?

>>6928658

Genuine question; I ordered shoes that should have fit me, and it turns out me feet are too wide. If I go up a size, will that take care of it?

Yeah, I know.. xS I can dream can't I? ^^` eheh

>>6928663
it might, but then you'll have shoes that are too long and you'll have to stuff them or get blisters.

>>6928663
Most of the time yes it does actually help quite a bit. But it sort of depends on how wide and what shoe you are getting.

While I bet that a lot of kind experienced Lolitas would more than welcome this, you must also take into consideration the likely response of the itas.
By the very basic principles of this program, you imply that the mentees(itas) are bad at the fashion. While this may be true, the majority of itas will deny this and meet any proposals of this kind with defiance and rejection.
I think it would work better if you did this with 'newbie' Lolitas rather than 'ita' Lolitas.

>>6928663
Yes. It they are too big after that, just put insoles in or some type of cushion or pad at the toes. The same thing happened to me, but my shoes are perfect now.

>>6928679
True true

We did this once in my community. New lolis who were eager to learn about lolita were called "maikos" and they could choose an "oneesan", more experienced lolis who were willing to teach them. One could have as many maikos and oneesans as she wished, and oneesans could chose their maikos too.

This worked very well and helped lolitas to make friends... Until shallow, elitist oneechans decided they wouldn't choose non-pretty, non-brand-buying maikos.

I wrote to 3 oneesans and no one of them answered to me. When I was finally chosen by some oneesan, she scalped me.

So: It could work, perhaps. PERHAPS. If there were nice people willing to teach the newbies and nice newbies willing to learn. Otherwise, DON'T.

>>6928699
>she scalped me
Like... literally?
>obviously not

>>6928707
I said "scalp" as in cheat or swindle. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear enough, english is not my first language.

>>6928718
>cheat or swindle
Can we get more details on that? Also, did you told what she did to your other community members?

>>6928724
We agreed on doing a gift exchange. I sent to her a bottle of perfume and a bracalet I amde myself. She claimed she had sent me some polymer clay, but it never arrived here, and when I asked her if it was taking too much time to arrive (I didn't knew how these things worked) she would always go "Oh, I sent it to you a while ago, postman must have lost it teheeee, I will send other package tomorrow ^^". After two months of this, she cut all contact with me and pretended not to know me.
I told this to some other members of the forum we were in, but they just told me that I should let it go because I was a newbie and she's the admin at the forum and no one was going to believe me over her.
So I decided to let it go and be extra-careful with that kind of things.

Goddamn. Why must lolitas be so mean?.. We're suppose to be sweet and friendly. That's coming from a gothic lolita too. Guess there will always be rude people.

>>6928744
Maybe you should've confronted her with some print screens of the convos between you?
Either way, I'm sorry this happened to you.

I would welcome the help, in all honesty. I have shit aesthetics and it's getting frustrating after almost 2 years.

Would the mentors have to be wearing Lolita fashion themselves or just know the way Lolita works?
I'm personally not into Lolita but more into J-fash but after several years around here, i think I have a quite good idea of how things work/give good concrit and advice to Lolitas around here.

>>6928756
Didn't thought about it at the time. Also I was totally naive and thinking there must have been a mistake even 2 months after she cut connections with me. But thanks for the advice.

>>6928679
I also think it would be best mostly for newbie lolitas.
It would be really bad to ask itas if they wanted a big sister lolita because they would deny being ita or not follow any advice and probably just make some of them mad that they were asked.
If an ita realized she was ita though, could she ask for a big sister to help?

>>6928771
I'm sure as long as they know how lolita works, it will be fine. They themselves wouldn't need to be a lolita.

>>6928820
But ho would people know if the mentor actually knows about lolita, and isn't just some ~i'm a lolita at heart~

>>6928674
>>6928675
>>6928681

Alright, I'll try it again. Any sort of padding you recommend in case they turn out too long?

>>6928826
Smartshoe comfort gel insoles and dr scholl's air pillo.

>>6928826
I folded up the air pillo one at the toes and layed the gel ones over it all. You can use other things like fabric or something soft to stuff it.

>>6928826
It might take a few tries, but you'll get it.

>>6928824
Hmm? A test of some sort.. idk o.o

>>6928843
>>6928838
>>6928834

Alright, thanks!

>>6928909
No prob! ^-^ hehe nice gif

>>6928750
You sound new. Lolitas aren't supposed to be sweet and friendly, people aren't supposed to be dicks that rip each other off, period. Wearing frilly skirts has nothing to do with it.

>>6928941
Not really. It's just how I am. I believe everyone should be nice no matter what... it's really just the luxury of anonymity that urges them to spew their unflattering comments. I'm sure less then half of them wouldn't try anything irl.... actually, nvrm. There are a lot of rude people out there /: it beats me.

Back in the day, wasn't there a Lolita mentors group on LJ? I think it died though.

If you want concrit and have thick skin, start a concrit general? There's even one going on now. /cgl/ honestly gives some really good advice as long as you can deal with blunt and ignore the trolls.

>>6928941
Would*

>>6928954
noko only goes in the email field, and you don't need to use it anymore, noob.

>>6928961
I know. Now calm your ass down, sweetie.

>>6928959
yeah, the loli mentors lj has been dead for ages, unfortunately.

Found it! Lolita mentor group. Looks pretty dead though.
http://loli-mentors.livejournal.com/

And a second one.
http://new-to-lolita.livejournal.com/

I'm an idiot xD :3 ^ - ^ look my smilies guys! Cant we all just be niiiiiiiice~~~~~

>>6928771
You are not as good as you think you are. This is exactly how we get newbies who have been "in but not wearing" lolita fashion for "yeeeeeears!" but still look like shit. I think wearing it is a prerequisite for giving other people advice. Otherwise you'd just be lolita-tips.

>>6929006
it absolutely is. there's a difference between being an expert because you stare at posed, shooped, professionally-styled photoshoots scanned from GLBs and reblogged on tumblrs, and actually understanding the fit on a non-modeling person who picked the clothes, and wasn't picked for the clothes, you know what i mean? otherwise you'll just have newbs leading newbs, then we get shit like that stupid "anti-petti movement".

There's no shortage of advice on the internet for telling lolitas not to suck but it always boils down to money (not having any) or pigheaded stubbornness. There's no point in adopting a lolita unless she already has funds or you're willing to dress her out of your own closet. There are a lot of obstacles to being a good lolita, but want for good advice is not one of them.

>>6929001
You're cute. Grow up.

>>6929006
Does Lolita-tips not wear lolita or something? What's wrong with lolita-tips?

>>6929044
lolita-tips talks out of her ass and gives advice on areas she has no experience on

Hay guise, if I change my name then no one can copy me desu~

>>6929053
So another tumblr noob leading the noobs?

>>6929053
I would argue she's gotten slightly better but she never tries to lift the people asking her questions out of the muck. It's always, "Yeah, go to the thrift store. Use that bodyline dress. Here's some vague advice for choosing a blouse." You'll never hear her tell you to save up and buy something worthwhile.

>>6929054
You're not even being clever here. Come on.

>>6929054
Grow up. You're one of the problem people we all talk about.

I just want some clarification, what makes someone an ita vs someone who's just simply new to the fashion and needs some assistance?

>>6929142
Itas have the fashion all wrong, yet get butthurt over concrit and won't take advice.

>>6929081
>one person spewing bad advice, emoticons, and the same "lolitas should be niiiiiice" crap all itas say
>someone else making fun of them
only in the summer would the second person be considered the problem. I hate this season.

>>6929210
Spewing bad advice? Not even close.

>>6929210
Lolitas should be nice? No. Everyone should be.

>>6929210
Don't we all?

>>6929244
this.
stating things like 'lolitas should be nice' is really ita/noobish/butthurt sounding.it doesn't seem nice to me to base someone's personality on how they dress. it seems like the same kind of person who'd call normalfags sluts or bitches just based on what they wear.

>>6929284
Or "slutty preps" or whatever else.

>>6929284
My thing is, everyone should be nice. Not just lolitas. I don't care if you think I sound like a newbie; it's what I firmly believe in.

>>6929293
Yeahhh I'm a pin-up (I dress like I'm from the 50s, really. Nothing truly pin up about it, but that's what they call it I guess)

People automatically label me as a bitchy party girl/fashion student at my college and don't bother to even speak to me because they are coming up with judgements based on my looks. :T

Shit be stupid.

>>6929343
I know how you feel.

>>6929321
well, i agree with you on that, treat others fairly or at least politely, but newbs always trump out the old "LOLIS R SUPPOSED 2 B LURVLIES" whenever they get called out on bad coords, useless posts, etc etc. it gets really annoying.

>>6929539
That's because they refuse to use criticism as a way to better themselves. They rather say you are being mean then to actually do something about their coord.

>>6928886
If it was a group the mods would have to approve the mentors. Definitely decent outfit photos would be required. Perhaps even an exam full of basic shit that itas and fools wouldn't know. Maybe a short "Why I Want To Be a Loli Mentor" paragraph.
Also, positive eglfeedback or feedback of some kind should maybe be required to ease the scamming threat.

>>6928679
Well, if you try to swing it like it's the cool lifestyler loli thing to do then you might be able to sell it to itas that way and kind of help them without them actually realizing what they've signed on for. There could be some kind of test to sign up too and the mods could narrow down the difficult cases from the straight up noobs and match them to mentors accordingly.

>>6929559
exactly.

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