/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>6918589
The fact that 2 grown ass women left the house looking like that makes me lose faith in humanity. Wish I had been there so I could have pelted them with rotten eggs. They look like complete idiots.

>>6918593
your tears are delicious

lifestyle Loli is sooooo 2006.

>>6918593
There is no need to be upset.

>>6918593
You sound bitter and a little jealous.

>>6918589
I am arguably a "lifestyle lolita", but it's more like I have always had an interest in adding historically-influenced elements to my life, and lolita is a part of that.

>>6918593
Unpopular opinion but I agree with this guy. They just look awkward and weird. The brunette in particular is entirely too big and broad to be wearing that, and her face looks old.

>>6918608
Most people don't wear lolita in hopes that other people will like them in it.

>>6918613
What condition? Severe retardation?

>>6918608
aye. who knew princess peachie was so meaty. she hides it well, tbh.

Lifestyle lolita isn't real.
Unless you are rich as hell.
There is not one person in this world who wears lolita everyday, works a lolita related job (I.E. drinking tea, sewing and doing fuck all apart from looking pretty)

Peachie wears a lot of lolita, and takes videos and pictures, but I doubt she rarely even goes out of her house with her condition (no offence to her). So I doubt she's lifestyle.

>>6918615
Chronic fatigue, actually.

>>6918613
Actually, I used to wear lolita to work at least half the week, and otome-ish styles the rest of the time. Yeah, you spend a lot on clothes, but you don't need to be "rich". (The job was not lolita-ish at all, though, it was in a lab.)

>>6918615
Don't be harsh, she has Myalgic Encephalomylitis.

If I had a sugar daddy/sponser I would absolutely be a lifestyle lolita. However, I have to work, and I have to go to college, and I can barely afford rent in my tiny little flat, let alone adorning it with beautiful things. I have no time to bake cakes or play violin or pick wildflowers whilst wearing a pretty dress, or whatever lifestylers are supposed to do.

What does being a lifestyle lolita entail?

>>6918631
Basically being a pure and lovely Victorian maiden at all times. No smoking, no cursing, no alcohol. Flowery prose. Letter writing, flower crushing, sipping tea ever so daintily. Shit like that :/

>>6918631
It's basically like a gothic lifestyle, except with a different aesthetic. I think the concept started way back when Shimotsuma Story was written. You kind of just give your life and activities a romantic fairytale feel, I guess.

>>6918635
Sweet Lolita entails eating loads of sweets. So you become chubs.

Not a lifestyle Lolita but would LOVE to be a lifestyle mori.

>>6918631
It's basically like a goth lifestyle, except with a different aesthetic. I think the concept started way back when Shimotsuma Story was written. You kind of just give your life and activities a romantic girly fairytale feel, I guess.

>>6918627
>>I have no time to bake cakes or play violin or pick wildflowers whilst wearing a pretty dress, or whatever lifestylers are supposed to do.
I actually do all of those things, lol.

>>6918635
>>No smoking, no cursing, no alcohol.
You're wrong about this though. Just because I want to pretend to be a Victorian Maiden doesn't man I'm totally unrealistic about life.

>>6918646
> no alcohol

I'm pretty sure Victorian ladies drank plenty of alcohol, and aristocrats of every age and every nationality sure as hell did.

I think lifestyle lolita needs a come back, tbh. There are far too many disgusting, smelly, feminist, loud mouthed and lewd hamplanets shitting everything up right now. We need more ladies and more refinement and more elegance.

>>6918646
Completely agree. I'd love to be a lifestyler one day, but I'm not about to give up toking for it.

>>6918640
Seconding this. It sounds extremely cute and slightly easier than lifestyle Lolita. I think we're gonna have a lot of that once Mori spreads out even more, maybe in a couple of years or so?

>>6918656
You are right. Actually, wine tasting and the likes were one of the coming of age things that Victorian middle and upper girls had to undergo as it came under the requirements of being a good host to your guests.

>>6918640
ME TOO, DEAR GOD

It could be like a foresters'/hippie commune, except with more dried flowers and cute things made of wool.

>>6918661
Oh, and don't forget flower picking and gardening, jam making and maybe knitting?

>>6918640
Lifestyle mori seems like it would be sooooo cozy.

>>6918652
Yeah. It's the delusional certainty that EVERYTHING MUST BE LOLI which is the reason the "lifestylers" died out. That and because new folks often thing one must be a lifestyle in order to be lolita, so they dive on it and fill it with dumb.

>>6918651
>>There are far too many disgusting, smelly, feminist, loud mouthed and lewd hamplanets shitting everything up right now.
You're a fucking idiot.

>>6918666
Did I hit a nerve or something?

>>6918668
Maybe I'm actually a lifestyle mori who just wears lolita, lol.

>>6918672
Stating that you are an idiot is hardly being sensitive.

Her face looks so weird in the cold light of day. Not kawaii.

>>6918678
She looks so old.... Why does everyone love her?

>>6918651
You sound fat.

>>6918681
Because not everyone cares about age?

>>6918687
Don't feed the troll.

>>6918651
>There are far too many disgusting, smelly, feminist, loud mouthed and lewd hamplanets shitting everything up right now.
While risking of having the whole of Tumblr at my neck, I agree with most of that, with maybe the exception of feminism. Remember that women at the beginning of the last century were feminists yet they were still able to retain their grace and refinement.

But it is true, nowadays women(and men) seem to have lost all politeness, moderation and their manners in general to the point that now it feels a bit odd when someone shows any of these qualities, and seems to stand out like oil above the water, which says a lot about us as a society.
We really do need more manners and refinement in our lives. Developing countries are proving themselves to have a better behaving young generation than we do, and this is after WE have created the norm of what is acceptable behavior.

>>6918668
Artisan scones! Of the dozen or so full-time mori girls my own age I know, five of them work at or run cafes, coffee shops, or small bakeries.

Pic related. That spice cake appears in my dreams at night.

>>6918678
too much droopy eye makeup and nose contouring. most people don't look so kawaii in the cold light of day. just look at koti lol.

>>6918690
I actually agree with this. I think everyone in the Western world could use more manners and refinement.

(The trouble with the comment is that this is clearly not what the commenter means: it means they hate overweight people, and loud left-wing folks. Shrug.)

I definitely hate the fact that "ACCEPTANCE" is being pushed into the lolita community over wearing lolita properly. You should wear clothes that fit. You should bathe properly and clean your face/hair when you dress up. You should learn how to dress yourself. I don't care if you smoke, but it's rude idiocy to do it at a meetup. And so on.

>>6918687
This is funny because I also envisioned a hambeast typing this message.

>>6918690
I agree with this so much. If you are going to dress like a lady, why not act like one, too?

I miss princess portal so much. I know "princess skye" was kind of delusional,but I really liked her blog.

>>6918710
Since when does dressing like a little girl equal dressing like a lady? Sorry, but I never understood this. Lolita isn't a ladylike fashion. You all look like children so its stupid of you to get all uppity about manners and shit.

So to get this more on topic, what kind of activities do you like to do/ would you do as a lifestyler?
Dream houses/hobbies/pets?

>>6918704
>>6918710
To be honest, I didn't meant that to apply solely to Lolita but it was more of a general rant about Western society. Too many people shout instead of talk properly, swearing in every other sentence, play loud music and eat on public transport, get drunk every Saturday and behave like scum after they leave clubs, go outside in their pyjamas, fail to wash themselves regularly, or even worse, fail to remove any properer body hair or use deodorant and label it all under discrimination and body acceptance.

I think everyone could use a bit more manners in their lives, regardless of their gender, weight and fashion preferences.

>>6918718
> prodigal generosity

wut

>>6918724
For some reason, I think it would be quite normal for a rich lifestyler to have collect dollhouses as a hobby, together with all the itty bitty details that come along with them.

>>6918727
What is wrong with eating on public transport? I do it a lot, because for my studies I am on the go a lot (interviewing people, attending events, ect) and some days I just have no time at all too eat in peace. So I just snatch myself a sandwich somewhere and eat it on my way to said event/interview

>>6918727
Again, you sound fat.

>>6918724
>So to get this more on topic, what kind of activities do you like to do/ would you do as a lifestyler?
>Dream houses/hobbies/pets?
I play violin and piano, and I take (totally non-professional) ballet. I love baking and
like look for historical recipes. I do crewel embroidery and hand-quilting. I have too many hobbies.

I want Tasha Tudor's house.

>>6918723
>You all look like children so its stupid of you to get all uppity about manners and shit.
...Because children shouldn't have manners? Because if you dress in a certain way it means you can forgo manners?

>>6918737
That one was a bit childish, but there are collector's doll houses, I forgot what they are called.

>>6918727
I agree with everything you say here. It's because people confuse "the right to do whatever you want" with "it's okay to do whatever you want". Yeah, you have the right to be a douche. That doesn't mean you should.

>>6918744
Historical recipes are the best! This Christmas I plan on making a grand 6 course Christmas feast and pudding I found in an old Victorian cookbook.

>>6918743
I am not the OP that you first called fat, but I assure you that I am anything but that. But then again, I guess resorting to ad hominem is the norm when you disagree with someone and cannot come up with a proper counter argument.

>>6918748
I think it is rude to the other people you are sharing your ride with. The person sitting next to you may not want to smell your food, see the way you chomp on it, hear you chew and so on. Or maybe they are allergic to your food, or they haven't had any time to eat that day and are hungry, and seeing you eat next to them makes it worse.
A lot of people argue that we shouldn't care about such things, but I think it is just inconsiderate to the people around us.

>>6918640
I guess in some ways I could be considered a lifestyler mori. I walk through miles of unpaved/untouched nature with my dog every afternoon, ride my bike to and from work, grow my own food, etc. Does that count?

I hate to see fat lolitas with tattoos most of all. I don't know why, but it really grinds my gears. It takes away from the whole aesthetic and the idea of being modest and respectful. Tattoos are the scourge of modern society and I wish they'd stay the hell out of Lolita.

>>6918760
Well, that is one part, there's also the hobbies and interests, like jam making, knitting or sewing, crafting, reading fairytales and myths and so on.

>>6918752
Haha, Christmas pudding was exactly what I was thinking of! There's just something so charming and tidy about it. Then if you serve it on a collection of antique plates, even better!

Y'all niggas need to read some vintage etiquette books, for reals. Bitches these days just don't know how to act.

Question for all the violinists lolis. I'm a violin teacher. What pieces are you guys playing? How often do you practice?

'Lifestyle lolitas' are so fucking boring. Sorry but its true.

>>6918766
It's not just women, men are equally bad these days, being so disrespectful to everyone around them - lacking proper manners and grooming, politeness and maturity.

I'd love to lifestyle, it's just that I feel I have no loli-related talent that I could use to support myself.
I can't sew. I haven't attempted crafting anything. Can't play an instrument, sing, paint, or do any Victorian-related crap besides write. I'm not in the fashion field, and I live out in buttfuck nowhere in relation to culture so no fashion-related jobs anyway.

Just ugh. Looks like I'll have to be a normalfag and lolita on weekends only.

>>6918762
That's stupid. Having a different aesthetic is not the same as being rude or unwashed.

That said, when I wear lolita, I make sure my tattoos are covered. I do think that it clashes with the fashion, generally. But it's not a matter of "get out of lolita" or "scourge of modern society". You need calm down.

>>6918767
I play like a first grader, lol. Sorry. I'm just going from beginner's books. Eventually I'm hoping to move towards folk-style music instead of classical, I hope.

>>6918769
Then why are you bothering with this thread?

>>6918690
>>6918770
This. Both genders have dropped the ball.

>>6918761
Not the anon you were replying to, but if I'm eating something nearly unscented and quiet, like grapes, you should stfu and deal with it. How the fuck am I supposed to know if you haven't had a chance to eat today? Maybe the guy next to me hasn't had a chance to shower today, but I sure as hell aren't entitled to clean seat mates. If you wish such rules upon your fellow passengers, maybe you should gtfo and take your own car.

>>6918784
This. I'm just happy if there isn't a piss-smelling hobo on my bus.
>fuckyeah LA public transport

>>6918784
>>6918788
This is the reason why we I said we need more manners and consideration for the people next to us. STFU AND GET AWAY FROM ME I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR NEEDS AND SPACE is just supporting my argument that most young people today lost respect for everyone around them.

>>6918690
>But it is true, nowadays women(and men) seem to have lost all politeness, moderation and their manners in general to the point that now it feels a bit odd when someone shows any of these qualities, and seems to stand out like oil above the water, which says a lot about us as a society.

You can say what you want about modern society, but all I know is I wouldn't trade rude modern society for all of the 19th century 'refinement' in the world. At least in first world countries we have some damn good standards of living, and hey, at least we can say we have the position of being able to sit around and feel bad about some lost manners, whereas we could be in some second or third world shithole dealing with civil war or genocide. I'm cool with that.

It seems that what most people deem lifestyle Lolita is very on the quaint side. What happened to the 18th century excess? Eating cakes and bob bons and leading a life of luxury. Picking flowers and playing a musical instrument is really not what I envision when I think lifestyle Lolita.

>>6918784
>>Maybe the guy next to me hasn't had a chance to shower today, but I sure as hell aren't entitled to clean seat mates.
I'm a different anon, but the problem with this is it is all the time. I no plenty of people who don't think there's anything wrong with not bathing for a week. If it was once in a while, I'd be like, cool, he's had a bad day. But that's clearly not the problem.

>>6918783
Lol at least you are practicing! When I meet girls at meetups, they tell me they love doing elegant things like playing violin in their pretty dresses and when I ask them about it, they're all like "lol well actually I only played as a kid, I can't do shit". It's sad. I'm a goth loli, and I want other prettily dressed loli friends to duet with :(

>>6918681
Lol she does not look old you fucking bitch

>>6918793
That bedroom is just oozing with bad taste. When people try to do rococo themed rooms, it always looks trashy and awful.

>>6918789
You are taking public transportation. Public. You are the only one who has a problem with someone eating. The rest of the bus doesn't care. Just you.

>>6918804
Piss off princess peepee. Don't you have a nap to take?

>>6918798
I played piano as a kid, and I realized I was sad that I stopped playing, so I started it again along with the violin. Now I feel like I have years of catch-up work to do. We can only duet if you don't mind "mammy's little baby loves shortnin' bread", lol.

>>6918789
Perhaps you're just a bit too sensitive, people have been eating on public transportation since day one.

>>6918748
Anon is just sandy. By her logic, the guy with a shaved head should be more considerate of me, because looking upon his shining cranium reminds me of my sister who died during chemotherapy, and that makes me sad! That bastard should think about how other people might feel, damn it!

>>6918811
>You are taking public transportation. Public.
Exactly what I'm trying to say. It's not your own car where you can eat, spit and play loud music to your heart's content. It's a public space which you have to share with others, and you have to be considerate of these other people.
>Just you.
Do you genuinely think that? In a lot of countries, it is actually forbidden to eat on public transport, just the way we are forbidden to smoke.

>>6918819
I laughed really hard at this, and I'm pretty sure that makes me a bad person.

>>6918793
If I could go back in time I'd bag me a rich husband at 18 and live that life.

>>6918816
Jfc could you at least TRY not come off as a bitter jealous bitch? Seriously, grow the fuck up.

>>6918818
>>6918827
Go away, you two, you're mucking up a perfectly good polite discussion.

>>6918832
Oops, not >6918818, sorry. I meant >6918816.

>>6918832
Sorry, but there's practically nothing of value in value in this thread. We're arguing about eating grapes on a subway for gods sake, it's kind of hard to "muck that up"

I fantasize about having a huge Victorian style mansion, with a huge garden and lovely forest surrounding it, with a short walk to a beach or lake. I would have outdoor tea parties, and nice little strolls through the woods, and inside..omg I have it all planned out.

Each bedroom would somewhat be thematically decorated (goth loli, sweet, aristo, decora maybe). Huge comfy back porch, sunroom, sewing room, cozy ass fireplace room. The guest house would be situated a few hundred yards away in the woods. It would be Mori styled, wood-cabiny and very cozy and warm inside.

Most of all though, I want to have weekly meetups with girls in my area (where ever it would be.) I would host fabulous parties, with fabulous hand-made invitations I made. I've even made up party themes in my head;

-Winter/Christmas party, dining room done up with rich velvet curtains and delicious Christmas cookies.
-Summer beach party, where we'd have a day by my lake and maybe fish or swim or tan or whatever (not loli as much, but it'd be fun to do with friends) A 'Who can build the loliest sand castle' competition lol
-Spring garden party, which would take place in my garden patio, along with some light exploring in my huge garden.
-Birthday parties for all the girls in the com, each themed to their styles/liking. Their favorite foods/snacks/drinks, etc.
-Fall campfire meet-up, while it's still a bit warm out. Maybe done out by my Mori guest house for the scenery.
-Photo parties, where I'd hire 1-2 professional photographers to get some really nice high quality portraits done for my lolis done in/around my home.
-Ita party! On the invite, I'd make it all obnoxious and silly and glittery. Wear the stuff you first started out it that maybe wasn't the best, some animal ears or something you really wish was ok for lolita but would totally break the rules. I think that'd be so fun. That night, we'd eat a ton of pizza and cake.

A girl can dream, right?

Fuck, you know what lifestyle I want? The life of a traditional suburban housewife in the 50s. I know it sounds awful to most people, but I would absolutely love it.

>>6918840
Then why are you here?

>>6918819
I'm not saying anything remotely as extreme as that. Eating on public transport is known to fall under the same category as making out ostentatiously or playing loud music on your mobile phone. While it is not exactly against the rules in most countries, it is considered rude and will get you a couple of side glances and the occasional glare from your fellow passengers.
You can do it or not, I'm not forcing you either way, but I'm simply doing any of these things is clearly a sign of bad manners.

>>6918788
>LA public transport
>did you mean: hell on wheels
Goddamn I miss Tokyo, etiquette on public transport there is nearly flawless.

>>6918845
That's my life actually. It's fun. I have no job, tons of time to myself or to hang out with friends, and all I do is cook and clean.

>>6918857
>Goddamn I miss Tokyo, etiquette on public transport there is nearly flawless.
Are you kidding me? I saw porn movies of people having sex on public transport in Japan.

>>6918845
nah, that's pretty much my dream life tbh. an all American husband with a decent job, 2.5 children, a dog, modest house with a little white picket fence, great neighbours, cookouts on sunday afternoons, teaching my daughter to bake yummy treats, welcoming my husband home from work with a smile, warm slippers and his favourite meal, etc etc. id be such a great housewife, but not many men are interested in this kind of lifestyle anymore tbh.

>>6918860
>porn movies
>real life
>mfw
you are actually retarded.

>>6918857
>etiquette on public transport there is nearly flawless.
Do go on.

>>6918845
>>6918855
>>6918863
Lets be real. You are just lazy bitches who don't want to work.

>>6918841
I used I have that dream, but then I realized I don't like entertaining large groups, and having large themed rooms filled with stuff makes me feel bad for not using them more often. So now I'm the mori lifestyler. With ma trusty dawg and fireplace.

I would love to mix lolita and mori lifestyle. If I could live in my own tiny castle deep in the forest I would be the happiest human alive.

Sage for not my personal blog

>>6918869
I could go on for days.
>no one ate on the subway
>no one talked above a low whisper
>no one played loud music
>people next to you didn't sneeze/cough, sat as far away as they possibly could
>even during packed rush hour no fuss, very quiet, people respectfully trying not to bump eachother despite having cms of space separating you from the next guy
>so, so clean, no wrappers/trash left behind ever
Living the dream.

>>6918873
That sounds terrible.

>>6918873
I don't know... Imagine the walk to your nearest 9/11 when you're out of petrol. Also think of the wild animals, risk of robberies and so on. Not nice.

>>6918841
Oh, the life.

>>6918873
Have fun being covered in brown recluses

>>6918857
>LA public transport

I forgot my earplugs once before a Metro ride and it was torture. This faggot a few seats away was watching a video of his kid's soccer game or some shit at full volume and giggling indulgently the whole time and going "THAT'S MY BABY!". Because the whole car cares about your fucking kid, totally.
Oh and people who are wearing earphones but have them turned up so loud you can hear their shitty rap shit a mile away.

>>6918871
I mean, who does want to work, really? Its a shame that most households need a 2 person income these days.

>>6918631
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_O_W7BYD-E

>>6918897
I do. As long as you enjoy what's you're doing and find it interesting, why not want to have it as a job?
Pic for on-topic.

>>6918897

Work is hard, but I wouldn't trade it for sitting at home and being bored all day. It's something to strive for, and I like it well enough because it's so dynamic.

If I was my friend on the other hand who is currently a glorified microsoft excel inputter, I'd choose fucking home every day.

>>6918873
Castle is too much space to upkeep on your own. You'd need house staff. I think I'd miss electronics though, if I were out in the middle of the forest.

>>6918727
This was really well said, you are gonna get shit for it but for what its worth... yeah it be nice to see social restraint in public.

>>6918748
Cause it can leave a mess on the bus/ train for who ever needs to sit where your sitting next.
Not saying that you leave a mess but thats part of the reason transport companies ask you not to.

>>6918918
I think you can be a housewife and keep busy, even work hard. My boyfriends mother was a house wife but she is one of the busiest people I know because she donated her time to the school a lot, cooked every night, was involved in her kids after school sports and helped out a lot at church. Plus she was able to really work at upkeeping her home. It's not for everyone but it doesn't necessarily mean you're lazy.

>>6918762
I have tattoos but hardly anyone in my comm knows because i cover them when i am in lolita. Im not fat though.

>>6918748
I get kind of grossed out by people who eat on public transport, especially since you're not allowed to where I live, so they try to be sneaky and lower their heads to eat their fast food. You literally cannot wait for another 10 minutes until you get off the bus?
Also I cannot count the number of times I've seen wrappers, trash, and even 2 liter bottles of soda assholes have left.
If you seriously do not have the time before or after using public transport to eat a sandwich, you need to take a look at your schedule.

>>6918965

Oh no, I definitely agree with you. My mom's a housewife, but in the time she spent at home, she's learned college level chemistry, takes tennis lessons and is pretty good at it, and exercises maybe three hours a day on top of cleaning up and everything. She's a loner and she doesn't mix well, but she accomplishes a lot in her own right and I owe a lot of my early education to her teaching me things from an early age on. She's a highly driven woman and I salute people who can do that.

I just don't deal well with making my own schedule I guess. Which is terrible to say but if I had the choice I'd just be beading/wire wrapping 25% of the time and browsing various websites the other 75% of the time. I do need time management skills.

>>6919000

I should say that before she married my father, she had only a high school diploma and was out of school for maybe 6 years by then. I should stress that, since otherwise it seems meh. Anyways, point is, when other people are whining about taking classes, she willingly takes them and does the work, despite being a 30 something year old woman.

>>6918985
I don't mind if people are eating something like granola bars or whatever that isn't messy or smelly, but every once and a while a guy will get on with with a big bag of McD and then the whole car reeks of fries for the rest of the ride and it's not like you can just open a window.
Snacking is one thing, but having a whole big meal is kind of rude. Same thing happened in college; teachers would allow food because some people have a lot of classes and need a midday snack or a coffee, but then people started bringing in entire pizzas and it got out of hand.

I think there needs to be another term for people who wear lolita every day, but don't consider themselves "lifestyle lolitas." As an example, I personally dress in lolita every day but I don't have a lolita-themed life. I work in an office. My house has a modern aesthetic. I drink coffee instead of tea. But the people in my comm refer to me as a "lifestyler" because they know I dress in the fashion every day. Can there be a different term for this? I sometimes call myself a "daily lolita," but I'm wondering if any of you have ideas on the subject.

>>6919017
>30 something
Then, at most, you are 15 or so?

I wish people would fucking learn not to start threads off with photos of Peachie, it just causes a fucking shitstorm.

Also, haters can hate, both of these girls are absolute sweethearts and they look adorable.

>>6918841
This is so cute! I need to be your friend haha

>>6919189
Uh.... did you read the thread? There's hardly any Peachie hate. The shitstorm is about whether or not it's rude to eat on public transport.

>>6918887
no need for racism anon

>>6919102

She took the classes when she was 30 something. Now she's like, 50.

>>6918894
The first gothic lolita they talk to has the same chin thing as Juria

>>6918845
This. This is my dream :'D
Oh, how I wish society would go back to the 'women belong in the home' mentality. Feminism has ruined my perfect lifestyle

>>6919290
you realize that at the core of feminism it simply wants women to be able to decide for themselves, right? So if that's the lifestyle you want, then that is within the feminism movement since it is a choice you are making and a not a choice being forced upon you. Anyone who tells you differently doesn't understand what feminism actually is and is a moron.

>>6919293
That's what it's supposed to be, but it ends up being more like"you have the choice, but you should make the choice we want or you're perpetuating sexism."

>>6919295
yeah that's what gives it a bad name and really the reason I don't ever talk about being a feminist.

>>6919290
Ugh, I know right! I hate having the right to vote! Dammit feminism, why do you ruin everything??

>>6918651
How does she get the cardigan to stay on her shoulders like that?

Lolita lifestyle without the clothes is just tryhards living grandma lifestyle.

Lolitas who wear lolita every day or most days usually have what others would consider a "boring" wardrobe because no one is going to be OTT sweet everyday. It's just not practical. One of the biggest wardrobe posts on EGL years back was from someone who wore it every day but it was all toned down, classic solids.

I always get the sense that people that promote themselves as lifestyle lolitas (especially the ones on tumblr or LJ) are doing it for the efame. If no one were watching they'd quit. The real lifestyle lolitas that are out there aren't trumpeting about it.

>>6919299
I don't actually care about having the right to vote. I'd willingly trade it for the return of chivalry and being praised for being a good homemaker

>>6919307
there are people who exist that would willingly do that for you anon, and I don't see what it has to do with feminism. Well, I guess we already went over how it has a bad name because of misconceptions. But, I wish you luck in living your life as you want. I see nothing wrong with that.

>>6919300
probably just like that for the picture. when she's walking around she probably either buttons the top button to keep her arms out of the sleeves, or just wears it normally

>>6919307
Except the kind of chivalry you're thinking of was probably a patronising chivalry where it went without saying that men are better than women thus must humble themselves and show grace.

Plus you might not have even been a good homemaker.

>>6919307
The point of feminism is to be able to make that choice, and not have it be compulsory.

How do you girls feel about holding hands? I like holding hands a lot but I get embarrassed wanting to hold hands. Does it just happen by chance when you feel you're close enough to your friends?

>>6918646
>>6918652
Not lolita, but the closest I could find. I wish I could smoke you girls out over the internet.

>>6919307
Could always marry a gypsy. For them the women stay at home and have kids and are prided on keeping a clean home. Then again you'd be expected to take your daughters out of school before they graduate and teach them to be housewives and you're not allowed to leave the home without your husband's permission and rules dictate that you can't be in the company of other gypsy men without your husband or an escort unless your husband states otherwise.

>>6918678
Are they in the Meadows in Edinburgh? Cause if so It's the only place I haven't been stared at in lolita ,so they probably picked the best place to have a picnic in peace.

>>6918737
I miss my doll houses, especially when I've seen them used for storing jewelery and make-up. I wish I'd have kept mine for possible daughters/ granddaughters.

>>6919327
I'm a gypsy and all I will tell you without hijacking this thread is that what you're going on about is some really nasty racial stereotype.
It's like saying that getting together with a black guy instantly makes you a single mom or something among those lines.

>>6918640
oh god YES that's what I'm doing this summer

>>6919382
Really? Sorry, all I know (and most people know) comes from that TLC show.

>>6919388
Yeah, it depends on the community. For example, in my community, it is considered bad taste/a sign of poverty not to let your children finish college. If your kids have PhD's and Master's, it's like a social status, showing you had the money and your kids had the IQ.
And no girl marries at 16, the earliest age that a close relative got married at was my mom's cousin, who had a gunshot wedding at 19.
Once more, stereotypes.

>>6919388
>from that TLC show.
You are an idiotic fuck.

>>6919388
One should obtain knowledge from more than one source.

>>6918613

http://herajika.tumblr.com/

There is your one, I am pretty sure she wears lolita every day (I've seen her do otome or gyaru sometimes though).

>>6919567

she's a scientist and doesn't consider herself a lifestyler. no lap of luxury or knitting or tea. she mostly wears otome now

>>6918593
>Loses faith in humanity due to someone's fashion choices.
>Wants to pelt them with rotten eggs.

>>6918887
Ya know those don't live everywhere.

>>6918718
I have to admit, I too miss her blog. It was actually kind of amusing and there are some good posts. Her mom sounds like a sweet person.
>>6918652
Same. I mean, at least have more romantic aspects in my life. I think I want to strive to be more like this anon though:
>>6918673
Mori is one of my favorite co-culture fashions, but I find it terribly unflattering on my build, so I'll probably stick with lolita.

I don't care if I'm a millionaire CEO of some big name corporation, I'd still be as thrifty as the way I'm living now. I'd still mend my own clothes, go thrift shopping every once in a while, make my food from scratch, and buy only the food I need (compare shop).

Only difference between here and then is that I'd want a big garden to grow my food and flowering plants (and have a bigger kitchen - I fucking hate apartment living), and hopefully my sleeping pattern will improve enough for me to walk around the forest nearby in the mornings.
I've toyed around the idea of farmsteading during some research on it, but I probably wouldn't go all out.

>>6918793
Wouldn't that be aristocrat and not lolita?

>>6918807
I didn't even realize it was a person's actual room until I looked again and saw the books and stuff. It looks like a museum display room. I'd say mission accomplished.

Newsflash: rococo is tacky. This room did a pretty excellent job with it, except for maybe the clashing rugs.

>be 14
>learn about /cgl/ related stuff
>wish I could be a lolita 24/7
>stay normalfag after witnessing weebs at my high school
>weebs wonder why they're single and have no friends
>maybe it's because they are annoying as fuck and try to glomp the asian girls regardless of whether they're even Japanese

>be 20
>college sophomore
>the kids who lifestyle cosplay and the two or three lifestyle lolitas have a shitty reputation
>annoying and loud as fuck
>skinnyfats, hamplanets, and anorexics who aren't even /fit/ but still skinnyfat
>really bad cords
>really bad closet cosplays
>try to act like they're in an anime
>act super tsundere to the point where they're just being dicks
>act super moe which gets annoying when you're in group projects and need them to take shit seriously
>the few normal people in the group split off and stop lifestyling
>otherkins, furries, tumblr as fuck
>wear that shit to class and to normal people parties instead of just wearing shirts and jeans like everyone else

>get to know normal people obviously
>some of them are into cosplay
>some of them are into lolita
>they share their pictures
>they only do it with close friends
>they don't join local comms
>they go to some cons
>they do 3-4 outfits per year
>look really fucking good
>work out at the gym to keep a nice figure and to not be skinnyfats

>>6919990

>get a tumblr for reblogs relating to college stuff and college friends because other is NSFW
>get follows from people I don't recognize
>oh it's the cosplay kids

>check out the cosplays
>they all circlejerk and take turns with a DSLR so they can call themselves "photographers"
>same people in each shoot
>same locations on campus
>same poses

>the Homestuck kids
>go to a con together
>cause drama
>interuppted people's photoshoots with their forced roleplaying (which they do at the college too)
>defensive as fuck
>"Oh I'm a photographer so I know how hard it can be to arrange shoots"
>mfw I have no face

>>6918841
That's pretty fucking awesome. I'd want the same kind of house and throw the same kind of events too. Damn. Are you me?

>>6919990
>>6919998
Misfire?

On a related note, there are some homestucks in my community...mainly from inviting each other into the online community. I only know one of them personally and she's good about hiding her power level in spite of most of her photos involving HS meets. I don't know how I feel about the other girl yet. Kind of nervous.

>sage for being off topic

>>6920125

Misfire? No, those were both just me...?

And I guess the power levels here aren't hidden by the bad cosplayers, only by the good ones, both in terms of outfit and personality.

I think it's possible to have a bedroom that can fit lifestyler lolita without it being super gaudy. something more contemporary would work. it's cute and feminine.

>>6920145
It took me a while what you were trying to get across. I thought that you meant to post in the complaint's thread.

I think adding a little class to your life is fun. I'll be the first to admit reality is way boring. If I can pretend I'm a fairy princess all day why not? Lolita isn't the most practical for grocery shopping, shooting hiking, etc. So I'll probably never be an all out lifestyler but it's fun to dream.
I do have a few loli hobbies, tending a garden, collecting books, drawing etc. I want to start collecting an old school vanity set, learning the stand-up bass and wearing lolita more. Also to go to my first meet-up.

>>6918737
I kept my dollhouse and I have it in my room. I store my jewelry and accessories in it. It's not like those fancy ones though but my Grandma has a beautiful one that she always changes for different seasons and holidays.

>>6920162
This is adorable. I like contemporary and cute. I'm glad that shabby chic is trending right now.

I love Victorian homes, but I don't know if I could live in them. There are many of them in my hometown and the preservation laws can be very costly and annoying to deal with especially if you want to accommodate for modern amenities or make repairs. Also, I'm kind of superstitious; I'm afraid that there may be ghosts from old families lurking about. I've got to stop watching A Haunting.

>agh! Lights keep flickering. Stupid air-conditioner.

In spite of having very little money right now, I feel inspired to add some frills in my life. I want to wear lolita at least once a week, once I get my wardrobe revamped. And even though I'm a bacon and egg loving Murican, I'm going to have a French styled breakfast when I can: tiny juice glass, hot chocolate in a bowl, baguettes, nutella, (goat) cheese, foie gras, and jams...I probably wouldn't have the 2 hour+ long meals with company, but I miss this shit. I will decorate my room in the shabby chic style. Instead of buying cheapo case beers, I'll invest in a fine bottle of wine to savor, and use the bottles as flower vases.

>>6919060
I've always referred to this as being a daily lolita. I want to write a blog post about this honestly, because I'm sick of daily lolitas and lifestyle lolitas being confused.

>>6919232
i spat my fucking drink

>>6920184
I feel the same way. I'd rather have a more modern house and not deal with so many rules and expenses to a home I own. That and less chance they are haunted. I pick easier home to maintain to have time and money for hobbies. Most high wealth victorian women had staff to help with the house upkeep and thus time to arrange parties, paint, or play instruments (or whatever else they pleased). Unless you are very rich and can afford this then I think there is compromise if you want to be a lifestyler.

>>6920184
fucking fuck, I live in connecticut.
I was home hunting for a while, and I really really loved the old victorian and colonial homes I kept touring.
But shit man, people have died there.
Apartments forever.

>>6920217
I chuckled. I guess it's nice to know that I'm not the only one feeling this way. Is it weird that I'd want to feng shui my living space?

>>6920214
Dude, I can't even deal with having a maid. I grew up in a working class home with immigrant parents. I'd want a home that I can be proud of because I earned it, and in pride, I'd want to take care of it myself rather than having people touch my stuff. If I ever have kids, I'd make sure that they know how to do chores and take care of themselves because they're going to have to go through that shit when they're moved out.

I think a ranch styled house is more to my liking, but they're all in sub-divisions. I'm in love with my friend's parents' place because it's sort of out in the country and in spite of being in a sub-division, the houses look different and the backyard has a small forest. I just don't know if I 'd want a multi-level home. I just know that I don't want to live in an apartment anymore (unless the walls are thick which seems like a rarity these). It's unfortunate that most of the beautiful historic homes are in the questionable part of town.

>>6920228
(rarity these days)*

>>6918718
Uhhgg. I really feel like reading that blog. My google-fu has failed me and almost everything is gone.

>>6920287
You can use webarchives to get some stuff back. I will admit I have a massive crush on that whole blog. Obviously everything has to be taken with a grain of salt but unf. Makes good reading material when you're stressed and need some rose-colored goggles for a bit.

>>6918718
Any details on her? I can't seem to find much.

>>6920321
She a crazy bitch.

>>6920321
Her name is Skye, she's from Perth, Australia. She used to run a blog called the Princess Portal and it closed down, then she opened one called The Lost Princess but it hasn't been updated in about a year.

>>6920333
I always hear people say this but I've never seen why. I'm not white knighting her, I'm genuinely curious, why do people call her a bitch?

Even on her GetOffEGL tag it's never been anything she's done that is super dramatic. It's just people disliking her idea of a princess lifestyle and some of her fans being crazy and bitchy, but never Skye herself.

>>tfw you can no longer have lolita tea parties and role play as ladies while displaying good etiquette because tumblr made lolita edgy.
>>why do we hafta have macaroons and tea? why not KFC?
>>lol white privilege and feminism

>>6918718


A Princess inspires others to follow their hopes and dreams through pursuing her own.

A Princess greets everyone with a welcoming smile, melting the hearts of friends and disarming her enemies.

A Princess has dignity, which protects her from the opinions and spite of ignorant people.

A Princess always looks beautiful, even when she is asleep.

A Princess aims for perfection in every step.

A Princess should be given fresh flowers everyday, even if she has to give them to herself.

A Princess grows in recognition and stature in proportion to how much she treats others as royalty.

A Princess reflect’s her inner beauty in her aesthetic choices.

A Princess goes to war against the violence of incivility with the weapons of etiquette and prodigal generosity.

A Princess lives each day from the heart, expressing herself freely and treasuring every moment.

A Princess has the right to spend her funds on beautiful things she does not need because beauty in itself is priceless.

A Princess should follow her heart and believe in her dreams, even if the whole world seems to be against her.

A Princess respects her environment and nurtures the beauty of nature.

A Princess is never too busy to give a kind word or smile where it is needed.

A Princess’s most precious jewel is Hope, which lights her darkest days and shows her the beauty in every soul she meets.

>>6920195
The way you listed the items for your French breakfast, I was imagining it all in a single breakfast... Which was not pleasant!

>>6920378

uh people have been doing the 2edgy shit since like 2006

>>6920184
I grew up in a victorian house, built in 1892. I got some really creepy fucking stories there. I was legitimately scared of the dark for the first 19 years of my life.

I see people talking about lolitas having to be ladylike and perfect, minding 'p's and 'q's whatever. But i've always seen lolita as a fairly rebellious movement, Shutting down the 'sexy' ideals of the modern world.

I don't fly around drunkenly climbing trees and sexually harassing people in lolita but at the same time I don't want to be forcing myself to speak formally and not enjoy the things I like.

>>6918727
you sound like a bitter 80 year old lady

>>6918666
>>>There are far too many disgusting, smelly, feminist, loud mouthed and lewd hamplanets shitting everything up right now.
>You're a fucking idiot.

If you were seriously offended by that comment you are probably part of the problem.

I have nothing against lifestylers that are not completely delusional. I'm now mentally flashing back to when Unseelie_Allure was trying to Rori at the gym. While I loved her outfits I could not help but be baffled at that ridiculousness.

>>6920390
I know some of those are a bit... out there. And the wording is really weird. But there are some good points that I really agree with. Like I do agree that you should smile, you should pursue your dreams, you should respect the environment and nature etc.

Am I the only one that would actually be pretty ok with living in a haunted house?

>>6920465
I would be because I have this morbid fascination with the occult even though I don't believe any of it, I just generally want to seek these things out of curiosity although I expect nothing of it.

>>6920465
You should watch American Horror Story season 1.

>>6919232
That's a fucking spider.

>>6918793
>What happened to the 18th century excess?
Huge income inequalities made people who weren't that rich upset.

>>6918793
Some people have jobs and stuff.

>>6918690
You're pretty ignorant. Our modern society actually has some of the best manners in history. We don't generally put our dirty bare feet up on the dinner table or stop in the middle of a conversation to hock a loogey on the floor. (Not ground, floor.)

I'm not saying there aren't plenty of rude people, I'm just saying if you could get in a time machine and head to the 1920's you would be pretty shocked by the way people behaved.

>>6919338
man now i want to do this. no room for a dollhouse though.

>>6920427
tell usss (even if you have to start a thread on /x/)

>>6921454
This. So fucking this.

I am sick of people saying they want to go back to the romantic Victorian era. Diseases and plagues existed for a reason. People were dirty.

And don't get me started on the people who love the 1950's era.

>>6918593
You are a sad, sad piece of human garbage. Why are you letting someone else's fashion choices upset you so? Assaulting someone will get you put in jail. Calm yourself.

>>6918762
I have tattoos, but i also cover them when i am wearing Lolita. i understand how you feel about the girls who have sleeves in lolita, and even worse, septum piercings. it looks so damn off

>>6918811
Actually, i cannot stand people who eat on public buses or trains. Seriously. What are you doing? it's disgusting

>>6918860
.....
Can't tell if trolling or actually this stupid.

>>6918889
>People who wear earplugs and have it blasting so loud it doesn't matter

I swear there is a special level of hell for these kind of assholes

>>6921590
Not really. People were more violent back then but they were also a lot more concerned with how others addressed them, and how they addressed others. This happens in cultures that aren't used to dealing with the police. (we had police, but they were not nearly as effective or involved.)

>>6921624
i dont think you actually read my reply...

>>6920430
But the thing is, rebelling against modern western society would mean being formal because nobody is anymore.

>>6921568
I stacked mine upon my small chest of drawers so it fits pretty well in my room. The only issue is the fact that the rooms of the dollhouse are rather tall and deep so arranging stuff in there is a little awkward.

I don't know if I'm considered a "real" lifestyle lolita or what, but I do dress in lolita almost daily. There are days where I tone it down with salopettes or wear otome styles, but that's as far as a stray. I don't censor my life to fit into a vision of the ideal victorian lady though.. I have a pretty normal life, work a normal job, curse and drink to my heart's content, etc.

>>6921590
Actually people did bathe in the Victorian era. It was harder for some of the poorer folks, but bathing was more of a norm at that time. Prior to that era was bad. The 18th century was nasty as fuck, even if you were rich....you'd be filthy rich.

As a non-white person, I'd never fit in American society prior the 1960s. Just assumed as being a foreigner more than I already do today. I think I'd only go back in time for brief moments in history, especially to see music, dance, theatre, and art legends. It might suck to see a Beatles' concert though...all dem girls screaming.

*badumtish*

>>6919402
>gunshot wedding
you are too precious
it's "shotgun wedding"
(I live in Texas and a couple of my cousins had to have them)

>>6921590
Actually people did bathe in the Victorian era. It was harder for some of the poorer folks, but bathing was more of a norm at that time. Prior to that era was bad. The 18th century was nasty as fuck, even if you were rich....you'd be filthy rich.

>*badumtish*

As a non-white person, I'd never fit in American society prior the 1960s. Just assumed as being a foreigner more than I already do today. I think I'd only go back in time for brief moments in history, especially to see music, dance, theatre, and art legends. It might suck to see a Beatles' concert though...all dem girls screaming.

>>6920500
you've probably never lived in one.
>fuck my old house
im not gonna talk about it
just
dont do it, man.
dont do it.

>>6921590
my sister is obsessed with the 50's.
Do tell?
(captcha: viliann patrician)

>>6918767
I'm a violist, not a violinist, but right now I'm working on Schubert's Arpegione Sonata. I also play with a local orchestra.

>>6922031
>The 18th century was nasty as fuck, even if you were rich....you'd be filthy rich.

Eh, just depends on who you were and where you lived. Austrian royalty was pretty clean, which is why the French were like "lol da fuck?" when Marie Antoinette had a private bathtub for taking baths at least three times a week.

>>6919290

if it's really what you want to do, what everyone else thinks or what everyone is jumping on a bandwagon about right now shouldn't control your choices about it. unless popular culture controls your home life, in which case, that sucks for you i guess.

>>6920427
Are you fucking me?
I used to run down to my parents basement screaming to retrieve things because I thought it would scare away the freaky things, just screaming my head off all the way down there creepy ass stairs and back.
To this day I don't fucking like going down there, whenever I visit I am full of NOPE.

>>6921835
That's not what lifestyle means. Read the posts on it above. What you are is considered a "daily lolita".

>>6922025
Were there actual shotguns involved?

>>6920427
I also grew up in a victorian. Some scary shit happened, but nothing that prevents me from living in one again. (I think my mom's doll collection scared me more than the house itself.)

ohh, the built-ins and woodworrk ~swoon

>>6919290
Not every woman wants to be a stay at home housewife. Feminism gives women choices to do whatever makes her happy. Not what is expected of her by society. Wow.

>>6922606
Do you think most feminists would look down on women that want to be housewives? It seems that way to those on the outside.

>>6922781
Most women seem to look down on those who want to be housewives. My mother and grandmother sure look down on me, and they aren't feminists at all. Im seen as stupid because my goals in life are making sure the home is clean, that my husband is happy and well fed, and that my marriage is as harmonious as it can be. They think I should be working a crap 9-5, but that's not what is going to make me happy so whats the point? I wish people would mind their own business, feminist or not.

>>6922824
oh yeah, family members are the absolute worst. my mom calls me weak and says im wasting my potential being 'some mans slave.'

>>6922829
She's probably right, you weak, submissive cunt. Get a job. It will help you more in the long run.

>>6921576
I would feel someone sit down on my bed, and when I opened my eyes, no one was there. One time I opened my eyes and no shitting you, there was a figure leaning over me. I actually physically screamed out, I was so surprised, slammed my eyes shut, and when I opened them....nothing.

It constantly felt like some o e was standing two inches away from me, staring me down. Like all the time, even in the shower!

The weirdest thing, well, one of them. For a year when I was 14, I couldn't sleep in my room. I hated being in there alone, it was weird. I had weird dreams and stuff, when I actually could sleep. So, I'd always sleep in the living room. My mom used to get mad at me because every morning, shed find me sleeping on the couch. She tried to make me sleep in the room, but I couldn't, so I always snuck out of there and went and laid on the couch. Now, this was the bedroom I'd had all my life, so I don't know why it started getting weird all of a sudden like that, but one night while I was sleeping on the couch, the whole ceiling collapsed, right on top of my canopy bed. It smashes the whole bed, destroyed it. And those were 10 foot high ceilings, so it fell pretty hard.

Luckily I wasn't in bed that night....

Funnily enough, after my parents had the roof fixed, I went back to sleeping in there like normal, for a few years...

>>6922107
The basements are so creepy... The musty smell. My attic was pretty creepy too. Not to mention we found old rusted kids toys from like 80 years ago lying up there. And then heard weird noises all the time, even though the exterminator came and said there were not rats or anything, and wired everything shut so nothing could get in there

I came here because they said there will be Rozen Maiden looking girls. I didn't believe it at first, but in fact, there is Rozen Maiden here. It's a little strange.

Why would you want to Rozen Maiden? I mean, I prefer Naruto and Bleach myself, two mature anime for mature people like me. I wear my Ninja headband time to time at school, but everybody here said that it looked cool. I'm not strange like you.

How come Peachie looks so pretty in her youtube videos and like shit in all her photos?

>>6920427
I used to work in a circa 1835 house turned museum. Crazy stuff happened fairly often, and some local ghost hunters visit frequently. If I hadn't moved away I'd still work there though, it just always felt very comfortable despite the crazy things.

>>6922031
Yeah, people bathed but in the same filthy water in order of importance/seniority. If you were the youngest daughter you would probably come out of baths dirtier than you went in.

>>6921568
There's some pretty nice ones that hang on walls now, they're pretty nice if you don't have the room for a conventional one. Would make a cute shelf too.

>>6922966
i actually gagged at the thought of sharing the bath with all my family members.

>>6922876
DUDE

>>6922606
Feminism gives and takes.
Feminism made it acceptable, possible, common to be a single mother and I doubt most single mothers decided "I want to raise a child on my own" when they conceived their child.
Feminism destroyed the foundations that made it possible for women to rely on their family, live at their parents until they find a husband and get support if their husband happened to pass away.

Thanks Obama.

>>6922976
Don't Japanese people still do this? They draw one bath and toss a bunch of bath soaps in and everyone uses the same water?

>>6922994
Sometimes, but they all shower beforehand.

>>6922980
>Feminism made it impossible for me to be respected while mooching off my parents and husband
>bawwww

>>6923015
I'm not a woman but if I were a woman into childish things like lolita (the equivalent of a man into toys, comics, ponies or video games) I'd be upset that I no longer have the opportunity to do it without any social disapproval.
Manchildren are the new women.

>>6923009
I know they do it to conserve water but I still wouldn't want to do it. Imagine if parents have taken their bathe and older brother took his and now the little sister gets in a big bro took a leak in there without her knowing. Nasty.

>>6923015
So being a stay-at-home mom = being a mooch? Come on now. You can do better.

>>6923020
This post sounds like you're just trying to piss off everyone.

>>6922980
Women used to live with their parents until married because that was literally their only respectable option. Unmarried spinsters too old for marriage and having no property of their own would get passed off on relatives.
Also being a single mother still happened. It just meant that you were ruined for life, or you could try to discreetly give your child up before anyone found out.

>>6923028
Well maybe but one should recognize that lolita, word that stems from a pedophilia-themed novel, is a culture that cherishes child-like qualities. Also it's weaboo-oriented and all that moe shit is not too far away from the pedo paradigm in grorious wapan.
The people in the picture of the OP do not look like adults.
What else is there in this thread?

>>6918737 Dollhouses. The equivalent of train circuits for women. Porcelain dolls collection are creepier than train tracks though.

>>6918793 Someone who thinks anyone but an extreme minority ever lived in luxury like that. Doesn't know that there are still people who live in luxury, they're just filthy rich and you aren't them.
Princess complex.

>>6918841 Another one with ridiculous ideas who didn't get tired of creating huge houses in The Sims 10 years ago.

>>6918873 Living in a castle. Geeze sure. Probably never even visited a castle.

You know what's the male equivalent to a "lolita lifestyle woman"?
A guy who dresses up full-time as a superhero and who goes on vigilante patrols.
ie: a very special person.

>So being a stay-at-home mom = being a mooch? Come on now. You can do better.
Unless you're going to have 10 children, you're not contributing anything to society by staying at home sitting on your ass and painting watercolors like 19th century ladies who never amounted to anything anyway, even if they spent all their time playing instruments or painting they were always topped by men.

>>6923029
>Women used to live with their parents until married because that was literally their only respectable option.
Parents used to take care of their daughters even well into adulthoods.
Parents had to pay a dowry to get rid of their daughters because having a woman in the family is a net loss.
It's still like that in certain traditional cultures and why they also selectively abort girls, too much to pay.

Now women can own their own property but all that's left for them is misery when their couple crashes down and they are left with a kid.

>Also being a single mother still happened. It just meant that you were ruined for life, or you could try to discreetly give your child up before anyone found out.
It did but it was way easier than it is now.
Women's problems were like children's problems. Giving away children was common, there were plenty of orphanages, with orphans used as slave labour, children had less rights compared to now and were less of a burden for women.
A little like you don't throw in jail a kid for a bad grade, then getting rid of your kid wasn't something that involved the government or anyone. Little family secrets.
Now the government is the one who replaces the parents of the single mothers and who's paying? Still the men don't worry.

>>6923050
Even someone with 10 children is absolutely useless and equally noncontributing to society. Like, who asks you to bring ten on your fucking offspring into the world, using resources, when we're so overpopulated anyway? Are you supporting your children primarily with your household's income? (nah) Are you really that narcissistic to believe that the world needed to be populated with more of your filthy genetics?

Fuck large families. They need to learn about birth control.

>>6923050
Just let people enjoy their lives the way they wish. If they're not hurting anyone then there's really no issue.

>Well maybe but one should recognize that lolita, word that stems from a pedophilia-themed novel, is a culture that cherishes child-like qualities. Also it's weaboo-oriented and all that moe shit is not too far away from the pedo paradigm in grorious wapan.
The people in the picture of the OP do not look like adults.
What else is there in this thread?
I'm an /a/non. Do you REALLY think I would take issue with any of these statements? I know that already and don't care plus the goal of the fashion is not to entice pedophiles. That may be the origins but it's false to assume it's the norm for everyone into egl.

>>6923069
>Even someone with 10 children is absolutely useless and equally noncontributing to society.
If you manage to make 10 workers then those 10 workers will contribute to society.
If you manage to make 10 criminals then you failed and you should have been sterilized before the 3rd one.

>Like, who asks you to bring ten on your fucking offspring into the world, using resources, when we're so overpopulated anyway?
Biology asks so. Europe and the US aren't overpopulated. Places like Africa, India, China are overpopulated. That's because they breed reasonably, unlike Europeans who do not breed enough to replace themselves.

>Are you supporting your children primarily with your household's income?
If you're not going to work then that's the ideal solution.

>Are you really that narcissistic to believe that the world needed to be populated with more of your filthy genetics?
Either the "filthy genetics" of an english-speaking, educated, healthy person in a stable household or the "filthy genetics" of an illiterate, destitute African who never even imagined that you could not have children.

>Fuck large families. They need to learn about birth control.
Yeah tell that to those who actually have large families. Sure as hell aren't Europeans.

>>6923092
>Yeah tell that to those who actually have large families. Sure as hell aren't Europeans.
Your new haji neighnors sure as hell know how to make babies and will soon outnumber white Yuros anyway. Prepare for the califate.

/pol

>>6922876
as creepy as that is, at least something was watching out for you! sure, watching a little too closely...

>>6923087
Oh I don't care. I'm just making some observations.
I'm probably very ignorant about this, but it seems to me that feminism is bringing about that "alternative" subculture that was always present in men. Or maybe it's just the internet that highlights it.
Now if you start believing that you're a dragon trapped in the body of a boy you can find support online. Before that it was harder.

"Nerds" males and females just have an easier time finding themselves. Isolated spinsters with their romantic fantasies build huge fanfiction universes and those who like to dress-up and pretend they are children like-wise.
Maybe all that will become socially-acceptable over time just like video games...

>>6923107
>feminism is bringing about that "alternative" subculture..

OH NO, the big bad feminism! Making girls want girly things and stay at home being moms, enjoying cute things and sewing!
No, wait, that's what patriarchy did.

Also, funny you criticize females "nerds" who enjoy things different from your hobbies but whine like a little baby when someone calls you a manchild for liking videogames. Talk about double standards.

And yeah, you _were_ criticizing. Your "observations" are critical and untrue in many cases.

Not a lolita or a cosplayer, btw, I'm just here for the make-up and alt fashion threads.

>>6923121
>Making girls want girly things and stay at home being moms, enjoying cute things and sewing!
Nobody in this thread mentioned children.
My personal interpretation of some of the posts is "I want to live like in the Victorian era. Oh no, not like one of those factory workers or anything hard like that, I want to be one of the few princesses who lived in castles with hordes of house people at their feet."
Sure you can do cute things and sew but you gotta pay for it one way or another. By being the house-pet of some powerful man (this means you don't get to do anything you want, you get to do anything he wants you to do) or by working your ass off so that those cute things you make actually sell.
Feminism isn't about "DO WHATEVER YOU WANT" it's about having the same choices as men, and those choices are restricted. For example men got the right to vote against the duty to fight for their country. Women don't get drafted.
Just an example of a mis-balance in the "privileges" vs responsibilities deal...

>Also, funny you criticize females "nerds" who enjoy things different from your hobbies but whine like a little baby when someone calls you a manchild for liking videogames.
I started criticizing it because it's so child-like but anything nerdy, anything on 4chan is child-like, so I'm no stranger to childish endeavours.

>but whine like a little baby when someone calls you a manchild for liking videogames.
Where have you read this? Do you know me?

> Talk about double standards.
If you make the arguments inside your own head then strange things can come about.

>Your "observations" are critical and untrue in many cases.
Thanks for such a constructive post it was important to know for me that someone found some of my observations "untrue in many cases".
Such a precise and efficient rebuttal really helps me see the errors of my way.

>>6923134
If you actually WANTED to see the "errors of your way", you should start by not coming into a thread and instantly insulting the group of people who are in the thread.

Quit being an asshat and leave this thread. If you have something to say about lolitas, make a new thread. Nobody wants you here.

>>6923161
I was just trying to help you you're not very good at that "arguing" deal.

Telling someone "Nuh nuh you're wrong" does not convince anyone.
Same goes with "Nuh nuh you're being mean".

>>6923161
>>6923178
Also I don't see why discussing people who like to act like children in a thread about "lifestyle lolitas" is out of topic.

>>6919388
Ahh stumpy bottom. White trash as far as the eye can see...

>>6922824
>>6922829
There's nothing wrong at all with wanting to stay home and take care of the home or watch your kid, but you still have to find your own source of income. You can't depend on one person. That's how stupid women become widows and then go "but i have no idea how to handle fiances. My husband always did that." and then they end up homeless. It's really sad.

>>6923251
meant finances*

>>6923251
Putting all your eggs in the same basket, all your money on one horse...

>>6923178
>>6923179

I'm a different person to the one you were arguing with. I just think you're annoying as fuck.

It's entirely off topic because lifestyle lolitas don't "act like children". Start an ageplay thread if you're so stuck on that topic.

>>6923291
>wear clothes that are pretty rather than functional, unadapted to a professional, adult life, to look like a doll
>collect toys (doll houses)
>only focused on material pleasures (aesthetics, decoration, food) with no regard for responsibilities, social interaction, practicability (cost of life)
>focus on "pretend game", dressing-up, having "tea-parties" with friends who dress-up
>anachronistic references like the Victorian era thrown in along with East-Asian influences and modern consumerism, like a child who picks in a lego box to build a cowboy-space-pirate character

If that's not escapism and childish behaviour I don't know what it is.

>>6918593
>/cgl/ responded to this post in an upset chorus

HAHA HOLY SHIT

I wonder if lifestyle lolitas have completely unrelated hobbies. Like, I run marathons through the wilderness and climb tall buildings and fly birds of prey that can eviscerate you virtually by looking at you, but the thought of dressing up cutely every day and eating cake and throwing tea parties is so appealing it's almost physically painful... I wonder if you can balance things like that and still feel like a lolita .

>>6923424

I dunno, I have some very lolita hobbies (A lot of tea-enthusiast stuff, birdwatching, reading, painting, baking, charity work, rambling.) but I also love horse riding and playing vidya (I know a lot of lolis love vidya, this isn't me special snowflaking. Just saying it's not very loli.), hiking, foraging (for food in the forest. bretty good at it.), making preserved foods, stargazing, cooking etc. I guess some of my hobbies are quite mori-appropriate.

>>6923461
Why do you think it's important to conform to that "lolita" thing?
If what you like to do is dress up in dresses with ribbons and frills and you also like to get drunk, play hockey and shoot deers, what's the issue?

>>6923494

I don't. I don't really feel the need to conform. Just sayin', I happen to have some super loli hobbies and some not so loli ones. Doesn't make me feel like more or less of a lolita.

>>6918635
>no alcohol
You're forgetting that Victorian women had their special "tonics" for their headaches.
Unless a lifestyle Lolita is to become exactly like how their dressed. Snot nosed brats in training to become women from the Victorian era.

>>6918770
I remember I went to a baby shower with my mother and a group of girls were swearing so much you couldn't understand their conversation. One of the girls noticed my mom was near by and apologized and tried to be respectful towards/near my mother. You could tell it was difficult for her because cursing was apart of her nature already.
Another time some guy in his early 20's came up to my aunt (15+ his senior) and started using those rude, lame pickup lines and she immediately told him off. He immediately changed his tune and used words like no/yes Ms. and used proper sentences.

Sometimes if you just treat people a certain way and demand respect, the opposite person will change their attitude and behave accordingly. Other times, you don't even have to do anything, they're just raised to show respect. Those girls understood that the way they spoke between friends would be considered rude outside of their circle. Of course their are people who aren't brought up to show respect and manners, which is unfortunate but accept the fact that there's nothing you can do about them and move on.

>>6918775
>write
Why not become an author?
Libra Bray wrote a Victorian novel called the Gemma Doyle trilogy that I adored in middle school. All you need is imagination and the only time you'd ever have to leave your town is for book signings.
Of course I understand that it's not as easy as writing whatever pops up in your mind and selling it for millions. It will be difficult to get your foot in the door but hey, this is one step closer to your goal, right?

>>6919976
>clashing rugs
and that awkward wall to ceiling gap on the left side of the picture.

>>6919325
Haha, I'd be down. Maybe one day anon, maybe one day.

Such a dream that would be. But then again, that's more money out of your pocket than before. I can't keep a Lolita Victorian lifestyle with a Lolita Victorian job.
Oh well. I guess it'll be a side hobby.

>>6919402
I always figured that the TLC gypsy's were the trash of all gypsy's because pretty much all reality t.v. shows are the worst of the culture being displayed.

>>6923276
Pretty much. then people want to complain they 'weren't prepared' for their husband's death or job loss and want to act like they need to be treated with special care because they chose not to work or have a career in anything.


Education is key to not having this happen.

>>6918700
Adorable!!! :D

>>6919232
Aussie anon here. Mate, you're havin' a lark. A brown recluse is a bloody spider, not a member of society commonly referred to as a boong! Farking Yanks. Wouldn't know an arachnid if it bit 'em on the arse.

>>6920182
Oh man, I would love to see some pics of dollhouses-as-accessory-keeps! :D

>>6920430
I actually agree a lot with this. Lolita is in and of itself a rebellion against hypersexualised ideals - why should we feel obligated to rebel any more or less than we feel?

Having said that, I find that my swearing goes down when I wear lolita. I just don't think it's as cute - and yeah, a lot of that is because we're idealising the lifestyle of being cute/ladylike.

>>6920444
>Rori at the gym
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
Mister Rococco anyone? :P

>>6922781
NO, not at all! Feminism says you can do whatever you want. >>6922606 basically has it in a nutshell.

>>6922933
Troll, troll in the dungeon.

>>6923009
>>6923028
What the fuck no, it's not done to conserve water. That's why whenever they come here (Aus) for homestays, the Japanese girls have trouble abiding by our water restrictions because of drought! In Japan, the shower is to get completely clean, and then the bath is kept warm constantly for you to soak in after you are already clean for relaxation and to get warm in the winter. It's kept warm so you can have a bath at any time without having to wait for the water to warm up. Source: homestaying several times and hosting more than that.

So, this thread got me thinking. I consider myself a lifestyle lolita, and have considered myself that for the five years I've been wearing the fashion. It seems like the idea is really misunderstood. So, I was thinking of doing a series of blog posts explaining/exemplifying/debunking myths about lifestyle lolita.

Does that sound interesting to anyone? I'm concerned it would come of special snowflake-y, but I'd try my best to avoid that.

Lived what y'all call the "mori lifestyle" as a kid. Wore qt dresses my mom made me wear but that I didn't know were weird to wear because she put me at a Waldorf school ("do what you want" basically) with other weirdo kids with weirdo parents who effectively wanted their kids to live an English countryside lifestyle.

Got older, actually had to work on our farm, wear overalls and flannels, etc. Not so mori anymore.

Move for high school, mori it up by going to parks, urbexing, hiking with my boyfriend of the time.

My college is full of girls that try to mori it up but are hikkis.

Right now, really into urbex so no mori or Lolita for me. I love brand but:

a.) no place to put it
b.) nowhere to effectively store it
c.) too tall so I'd have to wear the maxi-style dresses or else have my knees showing
d.) too expensive
e.) the lolitas at my college are ita as fuck but try to get everyone involved in anything remotely Internet related (video games, Homestuck, cosplay) into a college based comm, and I wanna stay away from being associated with that drama

When I move after college and buy my own house, I want a cute little white house with a yard and to have a walk-in library-based Lolita closet. I want to major in library science and UIUC, which has a great program, has cheapo housing in the area.

>>6924062
Nay, go for it. I consider myself as a lifestyler too, and I'm curious about other's take on it

>>6924062
and why don't you post on anon, I mean you don't even TRIP, wtf, please stop

>>6924062
except it has different meanings for different people, so you're not really 'debunking' anything, you'd just be giving your opinion on what it means to you, while it might mean something completely different to someone else. It won't go over well because you'll basically be saying 'this is lifestyle lolita and this is the RIGHT way to do it!' when really you'll just be saying your personal opinion about it.

>>6924166
>>6924062

this is you right? http://petite-berri.livejournal.com/profile

>>6924062
You mean the five years you've been pulling thrift store skirts up over your boobs and calling it a JSK?
GTFO you pathetic emo ita

>>6924165
Agreed. I'd be interested in reading it, but trying too define for other people what a lifestyle lolita is with just your own opinions is a surefire way to look like a dumb, entitled twat.

>>6922781
True feminists don't look down on any choice women make regarding their personal lives. Feminine is not anti-feminist. The important thing to feminists is that women have the choice to be house wives and the choice to be business women. Doesn't matter which one a woman chooses, just knowing that the choice exists is what's important.

>>6922876
If you're a girl, it's said that girls who are "of age" tend to be more psychically and spiritually inclined.

This whole thread

>>6922976
This is actually still the norm in our beloved nippon-land.

>wear lolita/otome daily
>nice stable income
>haven't been to a meetup in years
>don't give a shit about 'lifestyle' or culture

Wearing lolita doesn't make me a womanchild. I enjoy the attention to detail and fabrics, buy what I like and wear it the way I want to. If I want to wear iron gate as a fancy business skirt, it's my life.

I like lolita, I like supporting myself and having choices. Liking surfing/water sports as well liking tea is not mutually exclusive or examples of childish behaviour

Bump

>>6925178
this x1000

>>6923865
Considering today's state of education, I'd rather say skills. Can't tell you how many of girls I know think they deserve praise and, of course, great well-paying job, just for earning a few diplomas in some irrelevant obscure field while mooching off their parents.

>>6925178
Can I ask what job you have? I work full time in an office and they are all very lax about the dress code, so I've been thinking about wearing classic lolita so I can start wearing it again.

>>6928783

software development. I don't wear full lolita though, just mix brand items with things from modcloth, forever21, zara etc. it just looks like a cute skirt or fancy sundress

>>6928934
I envy you. I work in electrical engineering, and dress code requires that you do not wear any loose clothing. I would love to waltz into work in Leitia Frill. I can walk in, dressed like a slob in jeans and tees, I can come in pumps and miniskirts and no one bats and eye. Can't wear lolita to work because if I ever am asked to go check out the ground floor and see what the technicians are doing, my clothes could get caught in the machines/oil/if something malfunctions whatever. :/

>>6928934

Out of curiosity, do you wear a petti with your stuff, or do you just wear it like a fancy dress as you said?

>>6929887

no petti for most days, it's not comfortable for long periods of hunching over laptops. For the same reason I like to buy items with shirring even though I can fit into fixed sizing just fine. With shirring I can move about without worrying about the shitty zipper getting stuck or something tearing if I'm standing up for a long stretch

>>6925178
I wish people could read this every time they worry about online drama/"brandwhores"/special snowflakes/being a "real lolita"/how do I afford lolita/baww I want to quit lolita because my local comm were mean. It's. Just. Clothes. You can take or leave as much of the other stuff as you like.

>>6929936

Thanks! Thinking of wearing toned down lolita at my workplace just to get more mileage out of it (can't stand the thought of not wearing clothing more than two times). I know Fanny Rosie does it but her style, although lovely, probably won't fly where I work heh. Good to know it works outside of that as well (or rather, knowing someone who does it gives me more confidence myself).

>>6928934

I notice there are a ton of software dev lolitas. I'm a web dev and wear lolita at least 3 times a week and gyaru/jfashion the other few days

>>6929996
I'm also a developer, get to wear lolita to work everyday, life is good, but I don't know about being 'lifestyle' I'm really only in it for the clothes.

>>6929996

probably because it pays decently and quite stable. Also, if you're comfortable with computers then learning programming is just a step up.

>with computers lolitas will rule the world!!
>and also pay for cute clothes

>>6929968
Right!? It makes you wonder why some of these people even got into lolita in the first place. Were they actually only interested in trying to be popular within a niche group which they can get asspats for? I'd be fine with not being in a comm at all.

>>6923313
You don't.
Is it escapist? Yes, but most hobbies are.
Childish? No. Being childish means not being responsible or being sensible adult.

>>6924667
I'm eastern european and we used to do the same. The whole family would wash in a bucket of hot water. Filthy, filthy eastern europe.