/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Aww, sorry OP.
I would've as well, but every time I do, it just...

Nngh, anyway.

>>6894071
Ah, no, it's fine. I used to make the threads for Hetalia General a lot anyone. I just need to not be so impatient, haha.

>>6893795
I was wondering, is 2P reall just a tumblr fanon thing? I really hate the fanon BS, especially because of my experiences with Beek, but is there even a like, side of the fandom that just uses the canons? I think I'd be much more likely to have interest in that side...
inb4 whiteknights saying I have no reason to dislike Beek and that she's a pretty perfect princess who's never done anything wrong, she's come across to me personally as brat. I don't care if you like her, I just really do not.

>>6894116
yeah it's pretty much a tumblr fanon thing, it's pretty annoying in my opinion. Can I ask what Beek did? Out of curiosity, I always get mixed information about her.

I do think it's annoying though that she's the one everyone focuses on in the tumblr fandom because there are some great people there, they're just not as well known.

>>6894116
The only thing canon about "2P" is some of the designs.

>>6894125

Isn't she responsible for 3P? Some of 2P is canon, and I mean, I can accept that I just don't get the fandom. I understand the concept, but I got lost in the obsession with it on tumblr. I liked the characters as is, I didn't need 2P Nyotalia of an OC.

>>6894127
That's what I'm talking about, though. Also, Hima did say how they're supposed to be sort of from 'an evil organization.' So... Mafia-ish??
>>6894125
Hm, I used to not care one way or another, but had heard bad stories. I'm admin of unpopular-hetalia-opinions, though, and after someone ranted about her, Beek got really mad and it caused a bunch of shit. She dealt with it like a 2-year-old, I got anons for like a week telling me I was a terrible person for allowing people to give their unpopular opinions on an unpopular opinion blog(the opinion wasn't even very bad, either...just about them not liking how Oliver sleeps around), and it was an entire mess.
And then she tried to report me for "copyright infringement," despite her not owning Hetalia, the 2Ps, or the homestuck outfit she drew her OC in.
I've also seen other stuff, like her basically being a crybaby because someone asked her to draw USUK, and saying that it 'ruined her whole day,' but the thing with my blog is what really made me sure she's a complete brat. Wasn't even sorry about the anons. Didn't apologize for the stuff I got or anything, even though it was her shitty fans.

>>6894142
She was the one who made the 2P nyo of an already genderbent OC of the canon 2P nyo, but I don't think she made 3P.

>>6894150
>the 2P nyo of an already genderbent OC of the canon 2P nyo
Holy shit, why can't they just be happy with the original canon characters?

>>6894157
I've heard a lot of that side of the fandom don't even like Hetalia or Himaruya.
So they probably don't have enough creativity to make their own OCs, so they piggieback off of someone they dislike's characters and pretend they own them.

>>6894167
I will say I know most of the people on that side of the fandom if you want insider perspectives but most of them do genuinely like the series? I've never heard that as a complaint.

>>6894171
I've heard it a couple times before. Mostly with the bigger 2P artists.
But then again I'm not in the fandom, so I'd take your word for it.

Oh fucking hell..

>>6894116
Himaruya was playing around with designs and came up with 2P designs for some of the Nyotalia nations (Axis Powers, Allied Powers, Prussia) as well as the male Axis Powers and noted that they reminded him of an evil organization of some sort.
The rest of the fandom came up with the designs for other characters and injected personality, background information, etc.
Anything beyond the designs by Himaruya is fanon.

>>6894142
Beek doesn't give a fuck for 3P. Like.. she doesn't attack those who run 3P askblogs, but she doesn't interact with them either.

Eh.. my whole stance on the Beek deal is that a lot of the shit she does is, yes, annoying, but even she can't really control her psycho white-knights. I really don't like all the fat designs she does, though. I can understand wanting to feel comfortable about yourself and shit, but how about some diversity up in here.

>>6894178
I understand what fanon means??
It's just that from what I've seen there's no 2P fandom for the canon designs, like literally nobody really pays attention to them, and I personally don't like the fanon side.

Getting off the Beek subject before it gets too big, does anyone have any cosplay ask blogs they enjoy? I have a soft spot for ask blogs like ask-iran, but I've never seen a cosplay ask blog I like.
Also, do not mention that ask France, please. Do not go there.

>>6894200
W-What is wrong with it?

> Been out of the Hetalia fandom ever since 2P arrived

>>6894190
I was clarifying everything, that's all.

Hm, I've seen the canon designs mentioned in fanon things, like no one fucks with the original designs (..aside from Beek with her Olivia..), but very rarely are they ever by themselves with no fanon involved, no.

>>6894178
unf that Australia.

>>6894210
He's ugly and annoying and worshipped.

>>6894211
That's what I figured. At most, I've seen Spacedrunk/Annie/Whatever you want to call her draw the 2p fem!Canada and fem!America for her AmeCan drawings, but other than that, the fanons always creep in there and kind of ruin the whole thing.

>>6894226
Oh, yeah, people draw the official designs a lot. I figured you wanted someone who drew those and no fanon whatsoever..?
I know the artists on Pixiv tend to stick with the official designs, now that I think on it. I mean, they have their own version of 2P England and America but that's mostly it.

Nnggh, sorry if I'm being confusing.

>>6894142
What the fuck is 3P? I didn't think I was that much out of the fandom, but I've never heard of it. I assume it's a tumblr thing with no canon at all?

>>6894280
Bingo.

From what I've seen, 3Ps (and god forbid, 4Ps) are pretty much OCs with a vague tie to a specific character.

>>6894287
Exactly.
It's based off tumblr's word for the recolors, '2p' as in, player 2. They figured they could make player 3 and player 4, as well.

>>6894302
>>6894287

Okay, yeah, that's what I figured. I know about 2p being darker and edgier as far as fanon goes. I don't usually delve into tumblr fandom, and I generally stick to the Nordics anyway.

I just recently jumped back into the fandom (like within the past week) after being out of it since...i dont even know. I didnt know 2p was a thing until I saw it at a con.
Would love it if someone could give me a rundown of shit i've missed fandom wise though.

>>6894404
It's hard to say what you missed if we don't know how long you've been out.
Hima basically stopped updating in the middle of an event cold turkey for half a year and the fans started dropping like flies, then Homestuck got super popular so they all switched over. One of the last things Hima gave us were recolors, which started the 2P fandom. If it wasn't for Hima's absence, I'm sure the fandom would have forgotten about it, but people went with it because there was nothing else to do.
Birz started up(which is why Hima was busy) and hardly anyone pays attention to it, beyond a single issue where Prussia talks about how Germany came into being. The entire fandom thought, despite it flat-out saying the opposite, it canonized Germany = HRE.
The fandom is starting up again because of the new season, but a lot of these fans have only watched the anime, and lots of them complain about "the fanservice" and stuff, and are generally annoying.
Other than that, there's not much new things? It's been very slow these past few years.

>>6894422
Thanks for that!
Yeah, I can say I'm guilty of swapping over to Homestuck when everything got slow.
Oh jeez. I cant say i didnt expect the Germany = HRE to still be..well..generally canonized. It's unfortunate.
I'm not even really sure about how I feel about 2P.....
The fandom pretty much exploded on Tumblr when the new season began, and the activity drew me back in, honestly. It was nice to see something I enjoyed a hell of a lot come back. I'm revamping my Canada cosplay for a con at the end of the month, and I look forward to reconnecting with fans.

>>6894400
Luckily for you, I don't think I've seen much/any 2P Nordics. If there's any, they're unpopular and easy to avoid, then.

Is the fandom really disregarding the birz comics? I think they're gold, especially the Nordic one (but ahaha so biased) and the Germany and Prussia one. I mean, it's not as nice as having updates on the site, but they're still good.

I've partically been blaming the downfall of LJ for how people have wandered away as well. I know the hetalia LJ used to be my main source of info, but there's nothing like it on DW, and certainly not on tumblr.

>>6894447

I haven't seen any and I don't want to. I'm very guilty of avoiding 2P cosplayers at cons and stuff, though.

>>6894157
>>6894167

THIS. But I think it's not just a Hetalia thing, I honestly believe that's just something the tweens and teens in fandom (the younger/newer generations) do. I think they have this need to make derivatives (of derivatives) to put their stamp on it, instead of how I think a lot of us "traditionally" interact and "mark" the fandom is by writing fanfic and fanart. They do that, too, but it's heavily AUs and OCs. I tend to like to manipulate the material and characters that are there, especially if the cast is big and diverse like Hetalia. I don't feel the need to add to it and be a unique, special snowflake.

>>6895598

Yeah, I was just on the Hetalia lj the other day to see what I've missed in the "Norway" tag and it was depressing. Remember the days when you couldn't even find where you left off the day before because there were so many posts? Remember when we used to celebrate character birthdays? And the lj com was so instrumental in Hetalia becoming this hit and forging that sense of community. I'm hoping maybe some of us who stuck around can get back to the roots of Hetalia and re-gain that sense of community now that some of the more weeby parts have moved on or at least the "migratory fans" mostly left (and won't be coming back, contrary to opinions on the rest of this board).

So from the last thread, I was talking about an alternative Hetalia panel I'm hoping to do for A-fest, so I thought I'd post a list of panel ideas I've had that deviate from the standard "Ask-A-Nation" / World Conference or 18+ variant of these. Feel free to use these ideas as starting points. I would love to see more panels that take Hetalia a bit more seriously or just go beyond character Q & A panels. My friend and I are still planning to host in the panel in cosplay and in character, but it's not like all the regular Hetalia panels you seem to see.

- Hidden History Behind Hetalia: Borrowed from the guys who wrote the DVD and manga historical notes, it's a panel where you discuss the actual history behind some of the events and jokes in the series.

- Cracktalia: Similar to the Hidden History, but you explain the historical evidence behind crack pairings in Hetalia. You could also go into more "canon" pairings to say whether they do/don't work out realistically.

- G8: A combination of a cosplay/character panel and presentation. Characters present current event topics featured recently in Hetalia or headlines/news articles that seem "Hetalia-esque." Think of The Daily Show or Colbert hosted by the G8.

- Game Show: Similarly a combination of cosplay and presentation, just series of games from a Hetalia perspective. It could be anything from Jeopardy to Hangman (the audience's character of choice), memory, guess the character, cosplay chess, etc.

- Hetalia cosplay panel: A panel about how to make the various costumes for Hetalia, specifically focusing on the military and historical aspects. So like your standard cosplay 101/201 but with a specific focus on Hetalia (hair curls, uniforms, flags). It would also be a good way to address Hetalia etiquette.

- Hetaquette: An etiquette panel devoted to Hetalia. How to be respectful as a cosplayer, but also a general fandom discussion about the state of fandom and how we can respond to negativity.

>>6895717

And these are just ideas I thought I might share. Anyone is welcome to use them if you're like me and have been wanting different kinds of Hetalia panels at cons.

>>6895705
Yeah, I used to go on LJ's Hetalia group a lot, but now it just seems to be fanfic updates with occasional sales posts...
I check back now and again for scantalations or song lyrics, though.

>>6895717
I've had a friend do the last one, but all the others sound pretty interesting too.
I'd really love to see something other than a mediocre AAN panel by a closed group..

>>6895705
>Remember the days when you couldn't even find where you left off the day before because there were so many posts?

Fuck, that was the absolute best. And I definitely miss the entries that got so big that you had to start entering a captcha (looking at you Captalia.) Even on Facebook, all my Hetalia groups are absolutely dead, and it just kills me. I know people still cosplay it, and it pops up on my dash every now and then, but the fandom is just so dead. No one seemed to move from LJ to Tumblr.

>>6895741

Tell me about it. Seriously, someone try out these panels. I could see Hidden History being a big hit and hopefully becoming like the AAN panels (you just have new history to cover every year). I don't think we should get away from being the characters, but if all it is is people trying to be in character and have the audience bait them for fandom stuff... it's old. I personally don't want someone forcing their OTP on me to try and get a rise out of the panel and audience. How about just in character hosting? It would be so much fun for one to be hosted BY a character instead of the panel being ABOUT the character.

These panels have the opportunity to change and have new content instead of the same stale pairing jokes. You referring to a group in particular? Your sentiments sound very much like those some of the other Texasfags had in the last thread.

>>6895743

Tumblr is hard to have that sense of community since it's so individualistic. I just don't connect with people because it's hard to talk and discuss. You share stuff and people share it in turn, but it's too individualistic and not communal enough. It also tends to breed special snowflakes and attention whores. The point isn't reblogs and followers, it should be making a connection with people who like the series.

>>6895750
I figured the panel would be "hosted by the character." It's a lot more fun that way, as long as you keep it from turning into an AAN panel.
Fangirls are so passionate about their pairings, man... Even if you approach a pairing in a "I don't support it nor am I bashing it, I'm just saying" sort of way, you'll still cause problems.

Aha, I am one of the bitter Texasfags. I really want to go to a con out of state just to see if the community is better elsewhere, but I do not have enough money for that.

Tumblr... forms community through reblogs, I suppose? It's not as organized as LJ, though, no. You can still make friends and have discussion, it's just messy to sift through.

>>6895757

Well, I'm a Texasfag who won't ever fit in, so consider A-fest if our panel gets approved. I will def make sure it doesn't turn into AAN panel, we may not take character questions, just ones about the panel and content. I mean, my friend and I will be putting a considerable amount of effort into the research to get it all right and still make it fun. No need to turn it into a lecture, and I love me some pairings and yaoi, but AAN is just old. That shit was fun in 2009 when we could all still be giggly fangirls about things because no one beyond us cared about Hetalia and it was still such a new series. But here it is 2013 and nothing has changed? Character Q & A is so outdated for cons, but people still want to do it!

The A-fest panel submissions have 7 Q & A (two of which are the Hetalia AAN and 18+) and then if you add in the few other panels where the point is "I'm in character, this is what's supposed to be fun" it's upwards of 10. Which may not sound like a lot, but these are just the user submitted ones for all the extra programming not taken up with guest panels and industry stuff. It just seems like a lot of panels where nothing happens except cosplayers answer fandom questions. No one TALKS about the series. It's all pairing stuff. I wouldn't mind half and half, but let's get a bit more "plot" happening in these panels.

>>6895763

Continued.


It's difficult, but the only way to change the way the panels are is to introduce new options and hope con organizers take a chance on the new panel. I know with how things can be in Texas, that's going to be hard since there is an established group, but I wish con organizers might see someone trying to do something different. A-kon had a Hetalia Improv skit panel which was terrible, but at least they tried and A-kon did give them a chance. They weren't involved with the DFW group at all (I think they were out of state) but at least it was something new.

I think an Improv Skit panel would work if you had like... series of words and actions in different hats (like, "character' hat/box "verb" hat/box) and you drew from them and then people had to act out the skit based on those weird combos. You could have a panel of characters but then you also let the audience come play in the skits, too. Which is kinda what the A-kon panel was doing, they just didn't have the prompt system it looks like. Even more fun if you let people submit the prompts online before hand, so people feel like they had a part.

>>6895763
>>6895765
A-Fest.. I doubt I can, but hopefully someone records it for YouTube or something..?

I'm not sure if anyone ever tries anything 'new' here, maybe because the cosplaying-group is small, maybe because they're still in the weeby easily-entertained stage, who knows.

An Improv Skit panel would be interesting, if the people were really in-character.

I left the Hetalia fandom because it got so bad.

Can anyone explain to me what's with the hate of a certain ask blog cosplayer?

Yeah you know who I'm talking about.

>>6895867
I've been out of the fandom since 2p, I don't know what you're talking about

>>6895888

The one who cosplays France

>>6895903
I just personally find him annoying, not a very good France, piggy-backing off fanservice because he's a male cosplayer, etc.

>>6895867
Basically he's a mediocre at best France(and cosplayer in general), his jokes aren't funny, and people flip out over him just because he has a penis.

>>6896006

Idk I think his jokes are funny and it looks like he's genuinely having a good time.

>>6896044
I don't think you understand what the word "personally" means.
Anyway, just because you find him funny, doesn't mean everyone does. And if genuinely having a good time is an excuse for anything, well, I'm sure a lot of murderers would be let off for that simply reason.

>>6896044
Pfft, everyone's always having a good time. Doesn't mean I have to like them for it.

I'm really picky about cosplay blogs for the cosplay aspects. I don't like his.

>>6896049
Oh my god, that's the cutest little HRE ever.
But yeah, I feel like lots of cosplay blogs end up really shitty. And there's not really an excuse for it, because it's not like you're out in the open in a con, with people pushing you and ruining your outfit, and the wind ruining your hair. You're in the comfort of your home, you should be able to fix your wig and makeup up nicely enough.

>>6895867
He lost me when he started doing Homestuck crossovers.

>>6896071
He only did one cross over though...

How about any cosplays with silly faces?

fem!america's that aren't half assed 'cowgirls', please?

Real talk:

hetalia is the shittiest shit fest of an anime ever. Everytime I see you fags at a con making a mockery of world history I laugh because it's usually the most aspie people their

>>6895705
>>6895743

I know that the anon meme recently moved to DW and I'm kind of hoping that that might trigger something of a revival for those older and wiser. To be honest, though, it's never going to have the same vibrancy even of before the LJ exploded in the way that it did because without the site updates there's not the anticipation of not knowing when the next update will come (and what it's going to be).

You know what else I really miss? Hetalia day. I had the most fun on those outings.

>>6896290
Man, the first and only Hetalia Day I went to was so fun. That was... 2 years ago? Something like that.
I don't even remember doing anything for any others..

>>6896251
Ah, I realized I only have two, and one was already posted. Hm. The others are cute but still cowgirl.

>>6896260
true dat

>>6896306

I went to a couple over the years, but we used to do summer meet ups as well (which is how I met a lot of my current friends and housemate even if they've all left the fandom now) and they were always great fun. Not that I could do something like that now that I work six days a week and live two hours out from where we used to meet, but good times.

Wait, /cgl/ likes Hetalia?

>>6896345
They'll tolerate it if we're not obnoxious about it.
Like with the Homestuck fans. They're tolerated if they keep to their thread,

>>6896337
Don't samefag, just leave. We don't care.

>>6896343
Yeah, I met a lot of great people at that one meetup, but it seemed to be a one time thing for me, for the most part. Now it's just....one new friend per con..? Ah well.

>>6894211

Hey there peoples, I just started watching this show after much hate from my brother (do clarify the hate from other fandoms, I want to know!) I started watching it. Finished 1-4 in a week and want to know the ins and outs, the do's and dont's

>>6896361
>two people share the same opinion
>they must be the same person! *gasp*

>>6896740
If you choose to have a flag prop, make sure to hold it properly. Basically, don't let it drag on the ground purposely (accidents can and will happen though), mount it on something decent (not a wooden rod) and do NOT wear it as a cape.

Don't act like a homestuck fan. There's a reason the Hetalia fandom is so downlow now, and it's because all the crap fans moved on to Homestuck. Don't fuck that up.

Cosplay characters properly or don't do it. You'll be surprised at the amount of fucking shit Hetalia cosplayers per con-- i'd say there's a 1:7 good to bad Hetalia cosplay ratio.

My local Hetalia fandom has a dumbass cosplay group that takes over every event and photoshoot. That's why I left the Hetalia cosplay scene-- they're fucking everywhere. There's only two good cosplayers that are a part of it, too, and they're not fantastic or anything.

Pic unrelated.

>>6896834
Sounds familiar. What state are you in?

>>6896840
Polite sage because I think my reply got eaten, but in case it pops up suddenly.

Ontario, but I think it's a pretty widespread issue. Big fish medium pond syndrome, I guess.

>>6896861
Ah, not the area I was thinking of, but that makes sense.

>>6896740
>>6896827

Or just don't take a flag at all. Saves any trouble, since not every country is so up themselves about flags as America and most people don't care but if an American finds a picture of you pissing around with one you'll get your ear chewed off. If you've done your costume properly you don't need one.

Basically just act like a decent human being and you'll be fine.

>>6897265
I don't understand why people obsess over the flags.
The only legitimate argument I've ever heard is 'nobody knows who I am otherwise,' and if nobody knows who you are when cosplaying something like Hetalia, then maybe you're doing a really shitty job at cosplaying, and the flag isn't the problem.

>>6897810
That's not always the case. I was France at Sakuracon earlier this year and I had a flag with me, and people still asked me who I was, especially photographers.

I also had a bunch of guys in military gear come up to me and start bitching about me being a dirty Russian and that my flag was wrong. They tried to cover their tracks after I told them I was France by saying what a bitch country France is anyway.

sage for self post

>>6897831
I don't think I'd blame people. You purposely picked one of his most obscure outfits.
Also, you used sharpie for a beard.
And I think, obviously, the flag didn't help you for shit, if people were just saying that your flag was wrong.

>>6897810
I guess if you suck at posing, it's a prop?

>>6897831
If you know anything about military uniforms, it's pretty obvious that that's not a Russian uniform, so... how do you fuck that up...

>>6897810
Anon you were responding to, and that's what I think too.

>>6897831
TBH I wouldn't expect photographers to know any of the characters apart and since people apparently don't know flags clearly it didn't help with distinguishing who you were. (If it helps I'd have recognised you without the flag).

>>6897849
Most of the characters have actual props, though, so I don't think that's a decent excuse. I mean, for Finland I have a moomin plush, a Floweregg plush and a riffle, and a spear for his baby outfit, and I normally take presents/a santa sack for his santa outfit (obviously I don't use them all in one go), for England I'll take a teacup or I've got a FMB plush, I hoard chicks for Prussia. Most of them have something that's going to be easier to pose with. Look at >>6897831 's picture again. The flag means that the photographer has to stand far back, it's not a dynamic pose at all (doesn't help that she's not holding it fantastically), and even that far back it's being cut off. Compare to >>6894214 this France. Obviously a better picture anyway, because photoshoot vs con photo, but it's easer to pose with and allows the photographer to get a closer shot without cutting off the flag.

>>6898027
Nn, I suppose.

>>6896827

Also, if you get a 3' x 5' flag know that you need a 6' flag pole.

>>6898027
And at the very minimum, if you're still so scared about flags, at least don't bring one of the massive, full-sized things. Use the pins that government officials wear, or use the tiny little flags like the ones people give children on the Fourth of July to wave around. Big flags are meant to be waving on a wall or a flagpole, not being carried around like a prop.

>>6898457

I've noticed that fewer people are carrying the big flags. I feel out of place carrying mine and it never does help people get my country (because Americans don't know their flags. I've had people call me England even though it's not a Union Jack and when it was rolled up someone thought it was a Confederate flag). I'm considering switching to a smaller flag that I can stick in my belt if I need to use both of my hands.

Big flags are also WAY obtrusive in panels. I feel bad trying to awkwardly position it while not letting it touch the ground. If it's a panel with a lot of room and not many attendees, I can lay it on across the chairs, but if the panel is packed, it's an an angle that I always feel disrupts someone's view. That's probably the biggest reason I'm going to downsize my flag, that and I just feel no one carries the big ones anymore. I kinda liked seeing all the flags at cons, but it's really hard to maintain and carry.

>>6898621
holy shit, it's a piece of fabric? are people really that obsessed with flags? unless they're in a war and pissing on it, while kicking a dead solider, it shouldnt be a big deal at a con

>>6897847
The complaint about the costume, I get, because it is obscure. The beard complaint however, I don't get, because I've seen Frances with beards much worse than mine.

>>6897849
This. I use it basically as a prop. I know France has roses he can carry and such, but I like things that blow in the wind. And I thought a flag would fit this costume well. It's a preference thing really.

>>6898027
define fantastically

>>6898621
Whenever I sat down for long periods of time (which was rarely) I would take my flag off the pole, fold it, and place it on my lap. Or I would wrap it around its pole and just hold it. I never got any complaints about that, so I thought it was okay to do that. If not, I promise I won't do it anymore.

>>6898773
You might be surprised. Luckily, Hetalia fans seem to be catching on to responses to flags, as most of the people who told me to watch my flag were other Hetalia cosplayers.

Personally, I think big flags are okay. As long as you don't bop people with them and make sure they don't touch the ground, or wear them as capes, then go right ahead.

>>6894214
Oh god, are you talking about fucking ask cosplay france.
I got banned from his tinychat for actually talking to some of the other people in the tinychat as well as him. He can't take other people getting attention as well as him, apparently. Bear in mind, we were talking about Hetalia, and France - why did he not just join in the conversation?!

>>6898866
Let's just ignore that I left on that username, I'm on holiday and posted in /int/, so.

>>6898773
Amurikans. I've known British Englands told off by Americans for letting their own flag drag on the ground.

>>6898850
It's partly the composition and the lack of wind, but it doesn't come across very dynamically.

Note: I'm not saying that no one should take a flag ever. I just think that there's a lot of better props, and I'm tired of being held to American standards when it comes to them. Spoiler: if it's a piece of shit £5 Chinese made flag yes I am going to use it as a cape, sit on it and drop it on the ground, even if it is full size. Obviously not with an American one because I know you're all up yourselves when it comes to it, but let the rest of the world do what the fuck they want.

>>6898988
That's actually weird to me. I'm American and cosplay America. I bought a few cheap ass made in china American flags just to use as a scarf, waist belt and other crap for random casual America cosplays. I didn't think anyone really took it so seriously if my flag fell to the ground or got dirty.

>>6898621
Who do you cosplay? Scotland?

>>6898773
It's a general respect thing, mostly for the people who've died under that flag and such.
Usually, if you have parents/siblings in the military, you learn to respect flags a lot.

>>6899045
>>6898988
So basically, "I understand it's a cultural thing and rude but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a rude little shit." Way to make our fandom seem great.
It's not just America, either. America is the most strict about it, but lots of other countries, like India, really don't like their flags being treated like shit. Flags represent the nation, and if you treat it like shit, it's symbolizing you shitting on their country, basically.
And it's not just a matter of ~oh it's easier to just bring a flag and not care for it~, you have to go out of your way to bring that massive thing anywhere.

>>6898850
Just because other people have shittier beards doesn't mean yours wasn't shitty. Pic related, a sharpie beard, no matter how ~well done~ it is, can ruin an otherwise fantastic cosplay.

>>6896861

wow,its pretty much the same as you said here in montreal

and its very annoying,there cant be an hetalia event or something,without them,they just dont allow it (i dont know how they think they can control all this shit but well,everyone seems ok with this)

>>6899323
I'm confused as to how you get that stuff off...
Wouldn't you have faint purple lines on your face for a few days afterwards..?

>>6899276

Norway. By now, I'm used to my fellow Americans being dumb about geography and flags. Usually I only get called England when it's other anime fans who are pretending they know who I am or have just seen the anime. Like I said, I'm going to downsize my flag so it's not so disruptive and easier to manage, but it's one of the few props Norway has. I sometimes carry around a small fairy Christmas ornament, but I can't exactly have a green troll floating behind me, and violins are so 2009.

I mean, I'm not sure I get the flag respect backlash. Didn't Hetalia fandom become all anal about flag respect because people were dipshits and treated them poorly? Personally, I'd rather be overly cautious out of respect then presume it's okay to not be so. All we're talking about is minding that it doesn't touch the ground, defacing it, and wearing it as clothing. I'd rather us be cautious and come across as overly respectful than weebs who can't properly manage their prop.

So is this backlash to flag respect new? I seriously don't think people were saying this 2, 3 years ago when the need for etiquette became necessary.

>>6899526
I haven't heard of the backlash until just now, actually.
It feels like it's just the people who really can't cosplay or pose well at all, who use flags as a cop-out and pretend that it's offensive to tell them that it's rude to do so.

>>6899323
Okay, you win. I'll try something better for my beard next time. At least I didn't use sharpie though, it was just eye liner.

>>6899526
I don't think the backlash is new, but it's taken a firmer grip on the community nowadays. There have always been complaints about people using flags for props or having beach towels that look like flags and sitting on them, but they didn't escalate until some people were real dipshits with their flags. I think since so many people were disrespectful with their flags, it stained the community and now people want cosplayers to avoid flags altogether.

...at least, that's what I think.

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>>6898988
I think dragging a flag on the ground is a little disrespectful, to be honest. I'm not going to stop anyone from dragging or sitting on it, though. I just think it's weird that some people act this way, but find it extremely offensive when people wear historical/traditional cosplays incorrectly or have some detail off.

sage for no contribtuion

>>6899526
>and violins are so 2009.
heh.

>>6899316
No, so basically I can't be arsed to carry one around because I don't want to deal with the bullshit, and I wouldn't advise other people to do the same thing when there's better props to have. I said I'd fuck around with my own flag, ie one that I know that people don't care about, but I don't take it to cons even when I do cosplay England. I don't cosplay England's uniform anyway because it's too accurate for me to feel comfortable wearing it in public spaces.

>>6899526
It's not new at all. I remember not too long after I entered the fandom in 2009 there was a massive LJ post about flag etiquette (that mentioned that the union flag was symmetrical which is why it stuck with me).

>>6899597
My mate uses wig hairs from where she trimmed her wig stuck on with eyelash glue and it works pretty well. No pictures because friends don't post friends on 4chan, but I've used it for hobbit feet as well.

>>6899722
Saying that you know people don't care about your own flag is like saying every American gives a fuck about theirs. It's bullshit, man. And to be honest, I don't exactly see plenty of Englishmen wearing their flags as capes or using them to sit on the ground with. There's a certain level of common decency I'm sure you understand even over there.

>>6894142
Hima just said that the 2P characters are just alternative colorings of the other characters.

>>6894214
People just like him because he's male. Thats how the Hetalia fandom work they're so cock starved the moment they see a male Hetalia fan he is the god of the cosplay or something that stupid.

>>6899774
Not many cosplayers, no.

>>6899774

It would be really horrible if an Englishman wore Union Jack as a cape.

>>6899722

Not sure if we're on the same page (or maybe I'm wrong), but I meant "backlash" as in a backlash AGAINST the flag etiquette we all became so obsessed with as a result of disrespectful weebs. I have not encountered this "doesn't matter what you do to the flag, only Americans are so sensitive" mentality outside of these threads on cgl. Either side could be less radical I suppose, but again, I just don't see what's wrong with being respectful even if it's overly sensitive. Better to be too polite than a douche, in my view.

Polite sage for being so off topic.

>>6900251
>I just don't see what's wrong with being respectful even if it's overly sensitive. Better to be too polite than a douche

This.

>>6900251
Agreed that both sides should be more sensitive. I think the problem is that everyone English speaking on the internet is assumed American unless proven otherwise, and I've seen British kids judged by the same rules as you'd judge American kids (ie 'omg how can they be so disrespectful they should know better!' when they legitimately don't know better because it's not a part of our culture at all - and yes I have seen people been insulted and called names for this when they wouldn't have known. Hell, I didn't know Americans were so caught up about their flag for a while after entering the fandom, and I was 19 at the time). The difference between us pops up in all kinds of little things and this is one of them. I assume it's the same all the other English speaking countries that aren't America. But like I've said all along, it's not a good idea to bring a flag because it just causes drama and there are better props instead. I certainly wouldn't bring a flag just to spit in the American's faces, because that is just being a douche.

Moving on from flag drama! Is anyone else working on a costume at the moment? I spent most of my day off yesterday hand sewing holes for the lacing on the side of Finland's medieval costume.

I've been forced to participate on one of those "ask a nation" panels. I haven't kept up with hetalia in the past two years, and will be cosplaying one of the "pervy" characters.

I know it's going to be filled with shippers and half arsed historian wannabe's. How fucked will I be if I don't know the current story? And more importantly: creative ways to avoid answering the "have you fucked (insert nation here) with your (insert national monument here)?" question that always crops up.

Also, Germania cosplay because he's underappreciated.

>>6901571

Well, whenever I see AAN, unless it's stated at 18+, if they ask something that mature, they need to be told to shut up or leave because that is an issue for con staff. I mean, if it's an all ages event, people need to keep it PG-13 or less. So I'd just say if someone asks something that mature, tell them this is an all ages panel. You also have the right to refuse to answer.

As far as the current story... the people who go to AAN panels probably just watched the anime. They expect you to perform as the character as they know him/her. So anything "current" will be news to them. Anything manga related will still be news to them. These are the people who have reduced AAN panels to one dimensional parodies of these characters (okay, the series doesn't have a TON of depth to the countries, but it's more than the anime. They are MORE than pairings and jokes).

Which character are you? Honestly, you could probably get away with saying, "I'd never desecrate my national monument that way! If that's your thing ask, [insert a character you want to rag on]." But that just creates a cycle. Hopefully it's an all ages panel so you don't have to deal with too many sexual shippy questions.

And here's another of my most favorite Norway cosplays.

>>6901691
France. No one really likes him though, so maybe I won't get any questions and I can just sit there pretending to be cool or something.

I have no idea what's going on with this 2P stuff, but you say its not relevant so I won't worry, thanks

>>6901782

Oh well, I don't consider 2P to be the "current story." And no one can blame you for not keeping up with 2P seriously. I think people do like France, they just perceive him as a pervy who will have sex with anything that moves. If you have any Fr/UK fans you may get some attention, and usually people like to have Russia pick on everyone, but I guess just perfect the fake French laugh and love on everyone? Just be stuck up France and you're good to go. Whip out some current events and whine at Germany for making Europe deal with austerity and "zhat is not somezing we French can do!"

Or like I said, turn the fandom baiting around on another character. France would totally bail at the last minute to save himself anyway. You can easily rag on Germany, England, and America and definitely be in character. But be prepared for people trying to get Russia and any character into an "altercation."

Also, for some reason, I just remembered a remark my world civ professor said that, at the time, struck me as a bad fanfic waiting to happen, but I laughed anyway. During all the Franco-Prussian stuff in the mid to late 19th century, "France was a whore panting at the door of Russia" (trying to appeal to Russia for an alliance and aide).

But you always have a right to refuse to answer a question if you feel uncomfortable.

>>6899774
As a Brit - nobody cares what you do with the flags, just don't get them wrong.

>>6907767

Gonna post a Nordic picspam. Enjoy!

So anyone working on Hetalia cosplays for the rest of con season? What cons are you going to?

I haven't decided on which Norway I'm going to bring to A-fest (depends on if the panel gets approved or not), but I'm hoping to add a shield to my Viking outfit.

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Forgot one Nordic pic.

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Onto other characters now.

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>>6907786

Also, how active are your local coms? Hetalia has been around for a while now, so I'm just curious how communities around the world (and in America) are faring. Do y'all still have meetups, or is it just for Hetalia Day?

I am not that active in my new com (moved to a new state) and have yet to attend Hetalia Day with them (missed it last year because of a company party).

>>6907790
Mine's not completely dead, but very scattered. We hold meetups occasionally, I think? Not during con season though.

I haven't been with this group long enough for Hetalia Day.

Not sure if any anons from the thread last week are hanging around, but the Hidden History panel I submitted for A-fest got approved. So we will definitely be able to (post con) give advice to other Hetafags wanting to offer alternatives to AAN panels.

So if you're a Texasfag, come see the panel at A-fest!