/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'm so fucking tired of seeing it.

I agree with the message, but it's counterproductive when cosplayers get on video with "high-rep" youtubers and let them motorboat their tits.

Good and bad. Good because it might knock some sense into stupid guys and bad because stupid girls don't seem to understand that they can and will be subject to looks and comments they don't like when they're dressed in skintight or very revealing costumes.

Compliments, regretful consensual sex and sexual comments =/= rape

I'm just sick of all rape culture in general.
Yes, it's important, but teenage girls on Tumblr aren't the ones who need to be told this, so reblogging it 600 times doesn't do shit. Go throw it at people who do need to know this.

>>6783644
Agreed... I think it's putting out the wrong message that people shouldn't even look at you without asking or something...

The point is to not be an animal and paw or catcall people, I mean, that should just be common fucking sense and putting on a leotard with a push up bra shouldn't make people forget common sense.

Don't fucking touch/fondle/grab/manhandle people no matter what they're wearing.

But if you're walking around and you see someone eyeing your legs or ass that your costume shows off, and that offends you, I don't know how to help you, you can't control every aspect of how a person is going to react upon seeing you in any kind of outfit. I would just hope groping and cat calling offensive shit should already be on the No list...

Female cosplayers wanting to attention whore themselves by jumping on the bandwagon of the new "what Im wearing is NOT CONSENT!" slut walk trend.

Being molested or raped while you're in cosplay has never been a problem. Just more bullshit from the stupid women of the cosplay community.

>>6783640
>cosplayers get on video with "high-rep" youtubers and let them motorboat their tits.

Link?

>>6783644
Its not going to knock sense into anyone's head.

Its retarded. the only people who care about it is girls who think they are still oppressed everywhere they go. Its so annoying. Blogging and sharing this bullshit isn't going to tell a rapist to stop raping.

And like >>6783670 said, staring asking for photos, smiling at you, giving a compliment, etc, is not rape.
Jesus, I'm sick of watching this bullshit, my jimmies are so rustled by this.

Also, someone said in another thread, that if you're indeed being raped at a con, or if someone abuses you in some other way, insults you, is nasty, there's security all over the con, just tell them what fucking happen.

posts and reblogs and shares of this bullshit, is not going to fix jack shit

>If I publicly claim to be a victim of sexual deviance at a con, will you please think of me as sexually desirable?

>>6783678
>Being molested or raped while you're in cosplay has never been a problem.
Getting raped while in cosplay sounds like it would be kind of a problem, actually.

>>6783680
When girls say that their consensual sex was 'rape', everyone instantly trusts them. Over time, these stupid girls who can't make good decisions will make rape a trivial issue. Nobody will believe the ones who actually were assaulted.

>>6783686
Exactly, that's another problem. They make this shit sound so trivial all the time that it takes importance form who actually has suffered from it. Being in a con or anywhere else.
Its stupid and I just want people to stop making these things.
Jimmies still rustled.

>>6783684
Maybe if it actually happened. Which it doesn't.

If there's one thing that women love almost as much as dressing up in scant clothing to get male attention, it's pretending to be a victim to get even more attention.

>Stop hitting on me, you silly boys. I know I'm sexy but don't you know that no means no? ^_~

>>6783631
It is about as offensive as saying "JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE BLACK DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN STEAL MY BIKE".

I would be more understanding if cosplayers were actually raped at cons. But since that has never been an issue this is really just women wanting attention.

Getting a little tired of all this "men at cons are all creepers" bullshit. Anime conventions are among the safest public events a person could go to. It's not some haven for rape and sexual abuse like certain cosplayers want you to believe.

>>6783688
Problen is guys have learned to take advantage if this and claim if a hot guy does it is is fine, but normal guy does it we scream creeper or harassment. Problem is most the ones that scream this are actually just harassing and butt hurt. There is a convention I am no longer going to just for this reason. A guy grabbed my butt first year and said I wanted it cause I was in my rave outfit. No I did not, secuirty got after him over it. He then starts harassing me on Facebook till I blocked him then went after my frirnds calling me a slut. Last year later I run into the same guy at awa this year. What does he do grab my butt again. we need a creeper list to add names to. Lets start with Hugh Moses. Indont know his home state or town.

Unfortunately we live in a culture where it is considered okay for a woman to accuse a man of attempted sexual misconduct if she ever feels afraid or uncomfortable for any reason in a social situation. This means that if you're fujoshi nerd who decides to go to a con in a bikini cosplay and men approach you and you don't know how to react, it's perfectly okay to call them "creepers" and pretend they violated your civil rights. Even though nothing happened other than social awkwardness.

Women at conventions deserve respect, but so do men. Stop trying to go to war against all things male and pretending your a victim.

>>6783700
But some girl on tumlbr said he was raped!! So it is probably not only true, but it was also actual rape and not just some ugly guy looking at her from across the room.

...seriously, sometimes I think that the new 90% of feminists want to utterly ruin the credibility of their ever so precious movement.

Good riddance.

>>6783711
So you're saying that women must tolerate being inappropriately touched / stalked because it hurts the feelings of ugly men. Okay. Fair enough.

>>6783631
It honestly feels like a bunch of 3rd wave Feminist "Womyn", tumblr SJWs, and other insufferable douche clowns are trying to hi-jack the community for their own ends.

I'm not about to claim that no one has ever been raped because of their cosplay, nor will I say that female cosplayers don't have to deal with a ton of shit just for being in costume, but the frequency with which these things happen is a lot smaller than these little movements are making it seem.

Even still, it's not about cosplay. A rapist is still a rapist regardless of what the girl was wearing. I'll always support the notion that you blame the rapist and teach people not to rape, as opposed to creating some bullshit dialog about consent.

It's so strange for these people to even come into cosplay and gaming communities and spread this shit around. Show of hands; who here is okay with rape? No one? REALLY?! What a surprise. You can stop yelling at us and go do something more constructive with your time now. No one is arguing against you are trying to refute your point. You can talk a little softer, because I'd honestly rather not have every con and cosplay gathering be turned into a sexual activism seminar about how my evil penis should be kept in check at all times.

I've had my junk grabbed at cons and it was terrible, but it's not a moral epidemic. It's not something that I feel requires me or anyone else to get up on a soapbox and decry. We're all pretty much aware that these things are terrible things to do to people and we all universally agree that the people who do these things are terrible individuals.

>>6783692
It's like that fucking thing, 'DON'T TELL WOMEN NOT TO GET RAPED, TELL MEN NOT TO RAPE'
We ought to tell all those Asian men to stop peeking in women's bathrooms, and tell Arab men to stop beating their wives, too! Because nobody else rapes but men, just like the only peeping toms are Asian, and the only wife beaters are Arabs, and the only thieves are black guys!

Shouldn't the general guideline just to be use common sense and courtesy? And I would say this goes for both guys and girls. Friend of mine was harassed once because he was cosplaying Vash and a bunch of yaoiwhales kept bothering him to kiss other guys or do gay poses.

I'll just leave this here, a little gem I found on Facebook. (I wanna post this on Tumblr but I got enough hatred and beef from social justice nutjobs).

To quote the dude who made this: Cosplay is a choice and not an entitlement.

Yes, female cosplayers do get harassed by assholes, this is true. Yes, some, *SOME* females at conventions may get verbal harassment and unwanted stares or attention. HOWEVER, just because some nasty ass neckbeard lookin' ass nigga may had say something out of line or may not have much experince with women does not mean they want to fuck you.

>>6783707
That's when you report him to the police.
That guy isn't using any excuse, he's probably or just wont learn. Report him.

>>6783726
Forgot to add. Obviously, it is NOT okay to touch to say anything to anyone in a matter that makes them feel uncomfortable. But still, not all dudes and niggas are out to get you or harm you.

In previous discussions about the subject, I've brought up the point that when you say "rape" to the average person, they immediately think of violent, forceful, completely, 100% unwilling sexual intercourse. Nothing strange about that notion..

However, when these sort of tumblr-ites talk about rape, they actually have a rather broad definition of it that can range from mutually inebriated sex, post coital regret, inappropriate touching or kissing, almost having sex, or even martial sex where the woman just wasn't all that into it at the time.

It quickly becomes a case of 'the girl who cried rape'. They use the term the way 10 year olds on xbox live use "fucking your mother". They rob the word of meaning and they muddle their point by confusing the actual issue.

Where they should be talking about personal space and poor social skills, they are purposefully confusing things by making it sound like it's an epidemic of violent sexual assault.

>>6783717
I'm saying that you need to stop claiming that you were molested and stalked when you know damn well you're exaggerated and nothing of the sort happened. And even if that DID happen you should contact the police and not go on an internet intolerance campaign against all men who go to anime cons.

And no, calling men names like "ugly" and "creeper" doesn't somehow bolster your argument. You're just illustrating how socially awkward, intolerant and immature you are.

>>6783726
Saving this jpg for future use.

>>6783733
At cons though, there are a lot of socially awkward people who don't know basics when it comes to interacting with people. Hell, a lot of cons hand out flyers reminding people to shower.

There might be some super awkward people who don't realize that behavior is not okay. It's not a bad idea to explain to them why.

Not quite sure how this image *isn't* accurate/sensible.

>>6783734
modern rape = buyer's remorse

>>6783734
>Where they should be talking about personal space and poor social skills
This is also part of the problem. For years, this was considered as something that "comes with the territory". Cons are, and will always by large be, a place for the 'losers' of society to socialize.

But then, some chicks started fishing for their attention (but not their touches!!).

And now those chicks cry "CONVENTIONS MUST CATER TO OUR FEELINGS!!".

It's like every single fucking time, this happens.

>>6783737
So... the artist of that comic not only doesn't want attention she doesn't approve of, she also expects other men to whiteknight her at cons.

Talk about having a princess complex.

The point is that just because a woman has a skimpy cosplay on that doesn't mean she's fair game to grope/catcall/sexually assault.

You treat them with the basic respect ALL people deserve.

>>6783719
Agreed. And anybody can suffer from harassment. I dressed modestly in jeans, sneakers and a loose-fitting tshirt and I still had guys trying to buy me drinks so they "could put their hands all over me." Not exactly rape, but it's borderline harassment when it's being said by somebody you just met.

>>6783746
She's okay with appropriate attention. There's a difference between appropriate and inappropriate ways to interact with people. Just some people are so socially awkward that they don't realize it.

>>6783750
>I had guys wanting to buy me drinks. THIS IS SEXUAL HARRASSMENT!

Um...no. It's called humans being social with each other. Come out of your fujoshi hole sometime.

Cosplay is certainly not permission to touch me inappropriately. But if I chose to wear something skimpy, I do so aware that I'm probably going to get comments and stares. I can deal with rude comments. And I can tell people to fuck off if they touch me.

I feel a lot of the issues could be solved if girls just told assholes to fuck off, and went to security if they wouldn't stop.

Maybe we should host some seminars about what acceptable human interaction is before all else, non-gender-exclusive.

There's a limit to how socially retarded you can be, which is starting to make me wonder if some people aren't just willfully ignoring everything that goes on around them. I'm an autist and even I know that you shouldn't just walk up to people and be like "hey u want sum fuk".

I understand awkwardness, and while getting all up in someone's grill is rude inappropriate, it happens, and I don't think it's that big of a deal. Some people just don't understand. You might be uncomfortable, but you can brush it off. Despite this, it's still shitty to get grabbed at or whatever.

People may automatically associate the word "consent" with rape, which seems excessive, like saying "Rape is bad." No fucking shit. More like, "lean how to socialize at a fucking largely social event you bunch of tards".

You do a sexy cosplay fine, yes I agree you should not be touched.
Problem is a lot of these sights like cosplay deviants put out videos and pictures that only cause people and men to think it is a fetish and they start coming to conventions for that reason. Stuff like this is the garbage of the cosplay world. If you do sexual acts expect sexual things back

>>6783759
I think you missed the part where the guy said he wanted to buy her drinks so he could molest her. Loosen your tinfoil hat a bit.

>>6783640
But they give them permission to motorboat, right?

>>6783757
>lean
learn*

>>6783758
There's also a difference between real problems and fake problems. Pretending that sexual molestation is a real problem at cons is a bunch of bullshit.

It would be like if I made a comic about women hitting puppies with cars and said "REMEMBER, IT IS *NOT* OKAY FOR WOMEN TO RUN OVER DOGS AT CONS. IF YOU SEE WOMEN ACTING THIS WAY, STAND UP TO THEM."

Nobody is attacking you at cons. If somebody one time pinched your butt then tell them to stop or find a security staffer. Get off the cross.

>>6783737
That dude in the comic is such a white knight he made fuckin'...

okay I got nothing but fuck man that's some white knighting if I see any.

>>6783768
Do you have any evidence that it's not an issue? I mean, I've been to my fair share of cons and I've seem some shady people doing things they shouldn't be doing. Some people don't really know what the term "personal boundary" means and that goes for both guys and girls. Letting people know that their behavior makes other people uncomfortable and they should probably stop isn't a bad thing.

>>6783763
The problem is that stupid women dress up in these ridiculously sexual outfits and believe that nobody is going to that as a sexual thing. Like they'll just be admired like a piece of fine art at a museum or something.

Sorry, stupid ladies, but showing your boobs and dressing half naked in spandex to a public event IS a sexual thing and you WILL get sexual attention for it. If you're uncomfortable with that, choose a different style of costume. Nobody is making you dress that way.

>>6783737
Because WHEN does something like that happen? Do those neckbeard Betas suddenly turn into fearless rapemachines when they enter a convention? It's all hoverhand before, but ohhh, now it's convention time, time to touch all them butts!

And I don't remember ever hearing some cat calls coming towards cosplayers walking down the convention either.

>>6783748
I would love to see some real statistics on REAL sexual assault that happens at anime cons. And not just the made up/exaggerated stories girls like to claim on their facebook pages.

Chances are you're probably more likely to be sexually assaulted at the post office than an anime con.

>>6783773
>That dude
Are you kidding me? It's obviously a les-- I mean a free-spirited strong independent feminist dy--- I mean womyn!

Can't you tell it's a female from how she handled the situation without violence? And how she thoroughly convinced everyone with her rationale?

Obviously a womyn!

>>6783759
Eh, Tumblr has this thing about how buying drinks = get the girl drunk = fuck her

>>6783742
I feel like there's a similar mentality that leads people to feel like they should be allowed to run around in their underwear wearing every piece of BDSM gear they own, or for the scrawny mall goths to tote around their ugly friends on dog leashes... Or, let's just be honest here, for stupid fucking faggots to turn cons into drug-ridden rave culture shitholes for high schoolers to overdose on illegal substances.

I've got nothing wrong with a little partying, but it really seems like there's always some group of faggots at every con who thinks the whole event was put together so they'd have a place to act like irresponsible idiots while dragging a bunch of strangers who don't know any better into their dumb behavior.

The point to this rant, though, is that far too many con-goers have the idea in their head that the con exists as a safe, accepting place of their bad behavior. Like, cons are there for them to be wild party animals and ogle all the women they please and treat other human beings like shit because "WOOO ANIME CON!".

Broaden the topic, for fuck's sake. It's not an issue of rape. It's an issue of not letting stupid faggots know that their bad behavior is still not acceptable, even amongst other nerds and geeks and weeaboos.

>>6783776
So if a guy dresses up in some sexy cosplay, that makes it okay to be harassed by women?

No matter what their costume is, you should realize you don't really know that person or what they're comfortable with. And it's not a bad idea to ask if you can do things first. If they say it's okay, that's fine. But if they say no, then just leave things be.

Yaoiwhales are way worst than creeper at cons.

>>6783764
LOL yeah right.

>Hey, can I buy you a drink sometime? CUZ I WUNNA FUCKIN MOLEST YOU!

Keep up the horseshit. It's real believable

>>6783794
Yeah. They are the worst. But they should also know what they're doing is not okay. Sometimes it's super awkward people, but it seems like a lot of young people also don't know what's okay or not okay in a social setting.

>>6783798
That's the only reason guys buy drinks ffs.

>>6783793
Unlike women, men don't have an entitlement complex and if they ARE harrassed in a way they don't feel comfortable with they know how to politely ask them to stop or walk away. They don't feel the need to go on internet hate campaigns claiming all women are molesters and deviants.

>>6783798
But that's what was said according to her story. If you don't find that believable, then why do you even believe some guy offered in the first place?

And some people say really ridiculous things because they're trying some PUA shit and don't realize how their intentions come across.

I remember one time I was with a friend and there was some older guy trying really hard to get a shot of her ass and an upskirt shot. It didn't really turn into anything other than a "welp, time to go" and I pulled her away, but there are some really strange fucking people out there.

>>6783674

And who would that be? I'm serious, that's not a rhetorical question.

>>6783757
>More like, "lean how to socialize at a fucking largely social event you bunch of tards".

The best most cons will get you is some wanna-be alpha couch bro-tato giving otaku dating advice to ultra-omega weeaboos. So, yeah, skip the issue of all of these people being absolutely terrible at interacting with people who share their interests and hobbies, and go straight to turning your colossal gathering of social retards into a giant hook-up party.

>>6783805
/thread

The skimpy chicks just are unable to handle the situation themselves.

So funnily enough, if you support the campaign of OP, you're against female empowerment and for female victimization instead.

Which is all that modern feminism does these days in 1st world countries. Because fuck all those thirdworlder women, they don't deserve right coz it doesn't pay as much as making up issues in the West for schekels.

This just illustrates how anime cons are among the worst places to try to get laid. Bunch of socially awkward nerdy women who get scared at sexuality.

>OMG a man I dont know is TALKING TO ME. OMG OMG HE WANTS TO HANG OUT WITH ME?! I THINK HE'S TRYING TO R-R-R-RAPE ME! I HAVE TO RUN AWAY AND CALL HIM A MOLESTER ON MY FACEBOOK!

Why don't you stupid dorks let your hair down and try having sex at a con for once? Maybe it will loosen you up and stop being so scared of the public.

>>6783776
I literally cannot fathom the amount of stupidity I have just read. Well done.

Just so we're clear, if what you're saying is true, if any guy ever does a topless cosplay he should expect to have people taking photos of him without permission, touching him, smacking his ass, pinching him, grabbing his crotch, following him, calling him an 'attention whore' if he's not interested in or dislikes the sexual attention.
But nobody tells a man to 'cover up because they're dressed sexually and deserve the unwanted attention', the women would be labelled 'sluts' and he would be 'the poor guy who was harassed by a load of fat/ugly/freaky chicks'.

Do you see the fucking problem.
I have fucking seen it happen.

>>6783783
Idunno. When I'm mixing drinks at an after-con party or just at a social gathering in general, the last thing on my mind is raping people.

>>6783817
>if you support the campaign of OP, you're against female empowerment and for female victimization instead.

No, you're against people being creepy as fuck to people who just want to dress up at a con.

It's flat out STUPID.
Unless someone has seriously tried to attempt raping or sexually assaulting someone in cosplay, this hurhurr consent ramblings are bullshit.
Someone staring at someone else for wearing a skimpy outfit in public is not assault or rape.
Someone making a passing comment is not assault.

And I'm sorry but people are just gonna have to suck up and deal with the fact that when you wear something at a public gathering like a convention, you will most likely have your picture taken regardless if you consent it or not. If you're so damn concerned about pictures surfacing of your cleavage or your ass hanging out of a short skirt, then don't wear those types of costumes. And if someone is bothering you, then get security or someone that will stick up for you if you can't do it yourself. Making passive-aggressive hints to what's likely an autistic creep isn't going to be enough to get them to go away.

>>6783737
And the only thing that crossed the line in this comment is when that dude pinched her ass. Again, people making comments on a costume that she chose to put emphasis on (ie her tits) isn't anyone else's fault but her own.

>>6783818
The point is that he wasn't pretty enough for her. If he was pretty, he wouldn't be a molester. It's his fault for approaching her without being pretty enough.

Just imagine if someone would ever call Vic The Beautiful Lasagna a "molester". It never happens, because he is so handsome and so famous, and his voice is like the sound of babes, of course I want to go to his hotel room.

>>6783805
You're under the assumption that simply asking someone politely is enough to make them stop. In some instances it is, but in others it's not. Bringing awareness to the issue on both ends would help, no?

Or at least I think it would in the case of cons where people honestly have no idea what's okay when it comes to interacting with people and end up doing a lot of weird and rude things.

>>6783826
Oh, I remember seeing that shit. I like how they had to advertise their shitty little website with every photo. Like, it's not just an awareness movement, it's a means to drum up ad revenue and page views for their terrible blog.

>>6783813
Women are full of bullshit stories when it comes to the "creeper" nonsense. Both you and the person you're trying to defend probably never had these encounters at all. Notice how none of these stories EVER involve names, pictures, videos, or any other sort of verifiable evidence. Just really dumb stories.

But that's okay, isn't it? Make up a story about how men are scum so you can further the propaganda against men. Because when it comes to accusing people of sexual misconduct, men are fair game.

>>6783831
Being creepy=/= harassment

>>6783831
Fucking no. I'm sick of this "omg society, I am incompetent, please fix my life for me" bullshit.

If guys can handle it / deal with landwhales who rush & lunge at them to say how much they love them without complaining about it on the Internet, then

WHY

shouldn't women be able to do that too? Why shouldn't women be just as empowered?

This is nothing but victimization. And you obviously like being a victim.

>>6783831
"creepy" is just another way of saying "scary". ie you were scared of a social situation.

Which is why the term "creeper" is so stupid. It's an attempt to label a man as a sexual deviant despite the person having done nothing wrong. Which women are unsettlingly okay with doing.

>>6783830
>You're under the assumption that simply asking someone politely is enough to make them stop.

>baww just saying words doesn't work!! help me everyone else because I'm incompetent!

What is being assertive?

>>6783707
>guy grabs ass
>kick him in the balls
>WHY DID YOU KICK ME IN THE BALLS?!
>Ball torture is my sexual fetish. By grabbing my butt, I assumed you were soliciting me for sex, and thus you were consenting to me kicking you in the balls. Let us continue in my hotel room, I have long, hot needles covered in tabasco sauce that we may use, and a pair of vice grips, as this is the only way I am able to orgasm.
Problem solved. If he continues to be mad then say it was a misunderstanding, and if he doesn't want you to force your sexual fetish upon him, maybe he shouldn't be asking for it.

>>6783821
>if any guy ever does a topless cosplay he should expect to have people taking photos of him without permission, touching him, smacking his ass, pinching him, grabbing his crotch, following him, calling him an 'attention whore' if he's not interested in or dislikes the sexual attention.
...Yaoiwhales.
Much more common than your average weird congoing guy.
I hear way more often guys getting harassed by fat fujoshis than a girl getting raped or anything by some weirdo.

>>6783843
>>6783832
>>6783826
>those faces

Trying really really hard to prove their point with some pretty terrible shit..

>>6783839
Because, y'know, victim blaming isn't a thing at all and women (hell, PEOPLE) aren't afraid to name and shame people in case they're attacked for it and called a liar, a whore, etc.

>>6783839
>wanting names, pictures, photos, verifiable evidence
>asking people to post that on 4chan
Anyway, are you honestly so sheltered that you never hear of these kinds of stories or seen them happen yourself?

>>6783850
>filename
>tumblr*
Legit post.

>>6783848
>please stop
>no
>Stop
>no
>Fucking stop you creepy shit
>OMG I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING LEAVE ME ALONE EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS STUPID WOMAN OVERREACTING I MEAN SHE'S COSPLAYING SHE CLEARLY WANTS ME TO TOUCH HER INAPPROPRIATELY

>>6783805
>politely ask them to stop or walk away

Because this always works and they never take it as a challenge or you "playing hard to get".

>>6783817
3rd-wave feminism really isn't anything but confused teenage girls who want attention and women who are too lazy/stupid to get a real job and/or want everything handed to them just because they have a vagina.

Previous waves of feminism went towards suffrage, equal rights in workplaces/schools, and other important issues. It's sad that this "rape culture" shit is actually being called an entirely new wave of "feminism".

>>6783853
>i have nothing constructive to add
>I'll just point out that the picture is from tumblr haha that'll show them

>>6783811
Honestly, a lot of men. And some women, yeah.
But those people usually don't have Tumblrs. So they're not going to see that 700k text post about some feminist revelation.

4chan is NOT CAPABLE of discussing this topic like rational human beings, you should all know this. Hiding this shit thread.

>>6783859
>I shouldn't stick up for myself because then he'll say I'm overreacting QQ
Why do you care so much about the opinion of someone that you wanted to leave you alone to begin with?
I'm sorry that you can't tell someone to fuck off and have them still like you afterward, but we just sometimes can't eat our cake too.

>>6783851
Yeah. And it'd be nice if behavior like that stopped. It'd make everyone happier, yes?

The rule of thumb is more or less- Looky but no touchy. If you want a picture, it's best to ask for it. Use common sense and don't bother someone who's obviously busy. Don't take "sexy" photos without asking if it's okay first. If the person you're interacting with seems uncomfortable, then you should probably stop. If they tell you stop, definitely stop. And just because someone's dressed as your favorite character doesn't mean they are your favorite character or want sum fuk.

This kind of mindset isn't hard to follow.

>>6783859
Begging is not being assertive.

Once again more proof that you're just socially incompetent, and to turn yourself into victims so others cater to your needs.

Btw I'm playing this over and over again on repeat whilst reading dis thread, dunno why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5YkmjalDg
maybe you should learn from the song lyrics though.

>>6783843
"Even though my boobs are great"
Ahaha, she wishes.

It's really weird it suddenly blew up like this. I'd say harassment at cons has lessened in recent years, not become more rampant.

I don't want to victim blame because I know some people really do get gross comments, but a lot of this I feel is awkward congoing women who aren't used to receiving compliments or innocent flirting, and they take it as a threat.

It's really like a combo of socially awkward men interacting with socially awkward women and both sides doing it wrong/not having the capacity to think about it objectively.

>>6783882
there is literally no way we can win with you, every possible reaction we could have is wrong.

>>6783882
Jesus what the fuck do you want me to do, saw off his balls and shove them into his eye sockets?

>>6783882
No. The person who's socially incompetent is the person who doesn't stop after the first time. The fact that you can't tell the difference is kind of frightening.

>>6783885
Cosplay Kaine, then rip out his eyes and piss in the sockets.

>>6783850
Girl who cried rape.

Enough stupid women have abused the word 'rape' to lead others to immediately doubt them, because the average rape claim is usually not true. This is why so many actual rape cases go unreported because so many people are disinclined to believe them due to people abusing the idea of rape because it has so much power.

Guy dumped you? Call the police and tell him he raped you.
Random dude complimented you? Tell all your friends he's a rapist.
Some bro offers to buy you a drink? RAPE.
Overhear a dirty joke? That's double rape!

People have built up a sort of cynicism towards the idea because modern sexual empowerment has led to a sort of sexual bullying. It's not victim blaming, but it does make the whole thing so much more of a mess because there are victims who even have their issues addressed because of frivolous bitches.

To put it in 4chan terms.. It's like wanting to admit you like My Little Pony, but you can't even talk about it because of all the faggoty, terrible bronies that have sullied to very idea of even watching that show.

>ITT: if you're wearing a costume you deserve everything that happens to you

ITT: Learned helplessness and victim mentality
>Oh noes every guy that makes a sexual comment about my skimpy costume must want to secretly rape me but oh well I'll just sit here and be uncomfortable because I don't want to stand up for my emotions even though it'll solve my problem

>>6783892
/r9k/ is that way. The funny thing is you probably haven't experienced any of this besides from stories you read from /r9k/ that also aren't verifiable.

>>6783640
>it's counterproductive when cosplayers get on video with "high-rep" youtubers and let them motorboat their tits
>if you have sex you are giving consent! you can't complain about being harassed if you're going "on video with "high-rep" youtubers and letting them motorboat your tits"

Fucking men

As a guy who likes to dress as "sexy" characters sometimes, I know what it is like to have girls say lewd things, glomp me, and sometimes do "inappropriate" things. Moreso probably than what girls are used to because girls generally deem it socially acceptable to do whatever they want to men. Usually I don't mind it since, although unwanted, it's really not harming anything. If it gets too weird/uncomfortable I just say something along the lines of "Whoa, please don't do that. Not cool with that" or whatever.

I guess the question I would pose is... why are women somehow incapable of doing the same? Is going on the internet victimization tour somehow going to make a situation they went through better? Wouldn't it be better to learn how to handle social situations yourself? Calling all men animals and criminals because of some petty circumstance you had to do with before at a con is just entitled and insulting.

>>6783885
Try taking a course on assertiveness or something like that. Our lecturer was a woman. I cannot imagine anyone would ever harass her after she asked them to stop.

You are socially incompetent. Face it. And stop being incompetent.

Just look at it this way:

>you are offended because of a situation that happened at a convention
>it can be resolved by:
>a) making the entire world change so you don't have to
>b) you becoming a better person

Which is a better option?

>>6783892
Stop posting. Literally just walk away from the internet and never come back. You know fuck all about rape statistics, don't spread bullshit, it's hard enough to get authorities to take rape reports seriously without people spreading shit like this.

>>6783895
The issue is bringing awareness that kind of behavior is not okay so people stop doing it in the first place.

>>6783895
>quite a few posts about how the people women have problems with don't stop when asked
>"lol why don't you just ask them to stop?"

>>6783884
She looks uncomfortable, but I'm sure there were better ways of getting her point across about now wanting his head in her breasts than pushing her breasts outward toward his head and looking toward the camera.

>>6783890
You didn't even read the thread, did you.

>>6783879
seconded.
If someone was bugging me then I would give no fucks if they whined and bitched about me later. It's not as if I were seeking their approval.

Sure is leditt/r9k in here

A BLOO BLOO BLOO STOP CREEPSHAMING ME

>>6783679

Its annoying how cosplayers let guys make creepy comments and stuff towards them if they have a mic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekqiVbOTBYU

>>6783895
Holy shit, that .gif is the most unrealistic situation I have ever seen in my life.

>>6783887
>baww I can't do it
>THERE'S NO WAY TO DO IT IF *I* THE MASTER OF THE WORLD CAN'T DO IT!!!

I was at a small local con not too long ago and this 15/16 yr old chick was getting hit on by a guy. She was dressed for the rave and honestly...she wasn't wearing alot. She had some tube top style of shirt with some straps to hold it up along with some very short shorts. She got super offended that this 21 year old guy hit on her and the guy wasnt phased that this girl was 15/16. She just walked away and never told the guy that she wasn't interested. She also contacted the hotel staff instead of con staff about this issue. This kind of shit bugs me. Tell the person you're uncomfortable or that you don't want something. Don't run off and bitch about it to staff first. This whole thing sounds like more of a social issue. I know girls tend to wear more revealing outfits but at least know how to handle yourself and others. I know you can't control every scenario but know that when you wear these skimpy/revealing outfits that something might be said. There's a limit to everything here, so just speak up. I, also, wouldn't mind knowing how much actually happens to these ladies/guys at a con. Sorry just my opinions.

>>6783896
As a fellow 4chan poster, and one on /cgl/ for that matter, I immediately question your experience and qualifications for commenting on the subject as well.

>>6783897
Try giving an example of how the situation should be handled?

>>6783907
The buttfrustration reached maximum in this one.

Personally, I prefer /r9k/ shitposters because at least they're from 4chan unlike you Communist cunts from tumblr.

You'd be worse than Pol Pot if you ruled the world.

>>6783890
>i can greentext and exaggerate everything and make a strawman argument. I win the internets.

It's a pretty harmless message, you know. The whole campaign is just saying that costumes aren't an excuse to harass people. It's a message to cosplayers to stand up for themselves, a message to potential harassers to knock that shit off, and a message to bystanders to step in and help whenever they can.

You clearly haven't read up on this much at all and are gathering all your info from third parties who are criticizing the movement. If you knew more about it, it's not about creating victims. It's just acknowledging the simple reality that sometimes when you're being harassed or made uncomfortable, you're not prepared for it and you don't always know how to react, so people tend to just kind of stand there and laugh it off awkwardly. Ever thought of an amazing comeback for some asshole hours after an encounter? It's like that. Ideally everyone would immediately enforce their personal boundaries, but if you'd ever been harassed yourself you'd know that the shock of it can make you blank out. So it's important for people to know that more than just standing up for themselves, they need to stand up for others too.

If woman bring dishonour on their family (scanty clothes, lewd speech), then its OK to rape them.

>>6783912
I'd like to ask yours as well. Just it seems ridiculous to brush off one side as not real and then take something else like /r9k/ stories and assume them to be the truth.

>>6783914
Clearly this guy wants us to either go Rambo on their asses or take whatever we get.

>>6783903
I did and all I see are a bunch of people that don't know how to tell someone to go screw themselves, and if they do they're scared of the big bad ~*~opinion~*~ said creeper will have of them if they do.
So you do have the ability to publicly bitch someone out for their shitty behavior, or not wear revealing costumes to begin with, or getting a friend or security nearby, or just walking away, but you choose not to do any of these.
Yeah no, that's called victim mentality where you have viable options to fix your problems but would rather take inaction to be the victim and manipulate conscientious, caring people to have a sense of pity for you--for absolutely no reason.

Here's the deal:

When you can come up with a verifiable and proven situation where a female cosplayer was raped at a con, THEN you can pull the "cosplay =/= consent" propaganda campaign.

Until then, you are just a bunch of bitches with entitlement issues. If a guy pinches your butt tell him to fuck off or go get security like a normal, functioning human being and stop being a drama queen.

>>6783902
Funny thing is that it was rotoscoped, which means someone had to act it out.

>>6783892
>because the average rape claim is usually not true.

Gonna stop you right there.

No.

You're insanely ignorant. Two seconds of googling and you could find legitimate sources that show how incredibly wrong you are.

>>6783914
Just say...

no.

But not "goob pls stop" but an assertive "no". It depends on the situation. It's hard to explain when you suffer from autism and over text form.

I know it would never happen to me, unless the guy is literally wanting to mug me or rape me or something.

>>6783928
>acting = real life

>NO means NO! Cosplay = consent! I am not an object to be sexualised!
>Fucks a different guy each night of the con

stratospheric lel

>>6783928
No. Actually that scene was hand animated because the actors refused to do it.

You are not going to make the troll stop being ridiculous.

>>6783917
You keep saying /r9k/ like that just seals the deal. Like invoking that board somehow refutes every point.

Is there some piece of information you have that properly refutes all the points? I'm legitimately curious. I'd rather have proper information to work with, instead of working on the assumptions I've built up from my own experiences.

I have dealt with this shit before. I've had girls threaten to tell people I've raped them when I hadn't even so much as seen their tits. I've had friends go through nasty break ups where the woman ceaselessly harassed them and spread some of the nastiest rumors they could imagine up.

I've also seen that the statistics when it comes to rape are kind of hard to properly record because so many go unreported simply because no one does believe the victim because of shit like I mentioned above.

So, please. Enlighten me.

>>6783939
And you're not going to stop being a fat whiteknight who fails at cosplay by posting on 4chan.

>>6783931
But people gave examples of people saying "no" and that didn't work. What's your plan B?

>>6783941
None of this happened Athens. You're just a boring asshole who likes to shit post.

>>6783742

Everything in comics and anime is sexualized all to hell, if you don't want girls in skimpy outfits find some less sexualized media. /solution

>>6783943
http://blogs.hbr.org/hmu/2012/08/how-to-be-assertive-without-lo.html

>>6783923
>sometimes when you're being harassed or made uncomfortable, you're not prepared for it and you don't always know how to react, so people tend to just kind of stand there and laugh it off awkwardly. Ever thought of an amazing comeback for some asshole hours after an encounter? It's like that. Ideally everyone would immediately enforce their personal boundaries, but if you'd ever been harassed yourself you'd know that the shock of it can make you blank out.

I need to emphasize this.

YOU ALL NEED TO READ THIS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

THIS is in response to every asshole that's asking "why can't women just tell creepers to leave them alone?"

I had some fucker at a con run up to me, sit on my lap, tickle my neck and run away. Complete stranger. You don't see that shit coming and your brain doesn't react quickly enough. He had run off into the crowd before I even had time to react.

Women who get harassed in ANY situation are likely to go through this. I want to believe if some guy on the bus grabbed my ass, I'd turn around and stab him in the eyes with my keys. Actually going through it is different. You don't always retaliate the way you want to.

>>6783943
At that point you need to get security involved.

>>6783945
>>6783945
Lel! Fucking called it >>6783942

>>6783898
>literally walk away from the internet
You're from tumblr, aren't you?
as for false rape accusations, yes there are plenty that happen. It's not a rare thing. This is not just a problem for men, but SHOULD be seen as a very real problem for women, too. Every false rape accusation that's made and proven to be false/admitted to be false adds a little bit of cynicism that people who are actual victims have to face. Every false rape accusation made makes men that more wary about being near females, for fear of angering the wrong woman and ruining his life. It's bad for everyone, and pretending it's not a problem while screaming "HATE!" is just going to make it worse. Jeez, I'm a feminist AND a sexual assault victim and even I know this shit is fucked up.

>>6783941
Do you have any information that refutes said points? Or can you give names, places, and other information like you asked of said stories above?

Just sayin'. Game can go either way. It's pretty stupid to brush off one side for giving anecdotal evidence by asserting it's fictional when all you have is your own and no one has any reason to believe you over someone else.

>>6783786

True. Thing is, the statistics show that women who don't stand out (ie girls who don't wear skimpy costumes) are the ones who get raped. Criminals choose targets based on opportunity/probability of punishment and not based on the magnitude of the reward.

>>6783950
Yes congratulations. You've been posting the same thread now for 3 years..

>Unattractive man approaches you
>Gets into a conversation with you, clearly expressing some sort of vague interest. Probably sexual in nature
>He starts in "So, that's a really nice costume. You look very pretty. So uh, how are you..."
>Take out your rape whistle immediately and blow on it as hard as you can
>turn your head away to the crowd and point at him
>"HEY EVERYBODY! WE GOT A CREEPER HERE! CREEPER ON THE LOOSE!"
>blow into the whistle again
>circle around you and him starts to form
>Guy looks around, confused and doesn't know what to do
>Security steps in and asks him to leave

Problem solved.

>>6783943
Uh gee
>walk away
>get security
>tell a friend someone is harassing you
>"Hey buddy if you don't leave me alone I'm getting authorities."

Gosh, you really don't have any options, do you?

>>6783945
"The Fatso who cried Athens"
^your new tripname

>>6783832
I don't care, that's a bad ass Chuu

>>6783949
What do you do in a situation where the guy says you're making too big of a deal or lying about it? Or if the guy straight up runs off? You think someone is going to stick around when you say "brb. gonna fetch the popo."?

Also, I'm not really sure if you've seen con security. They're usually older people who stand there kind of confused as to what the fuck is going on.

>>6783960
No, I'm the person who outed your trip remember, fatty? Everyone on /cgl/ knows you're a mentally insane shitposter. You're probably the OP of this too. Can't wait until we pass the autoban feature for saying 'athens' because god knows you love your second ego.

The amount of ignorance ITT actually physically hurts me.

do you people just find it fun to make up shit off the top of your head and go "i kno it r trufax"

for that mater why do you turn EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION into a conversation about rape? Cosplay =/= Consent is about HARASSMENT, not the act of violently attacking someone and shoving your dick in their vagina. Do you really not see the difference?

>>6783957
>walk away
They follow you
>get security
They lie or run off
>Tell a friend
But victim complex! Why do you need a white knight?
>Threaten security
They think you're bluffing and continue to bother you or they make a scene about how you're making a big deal.

Now, I'm not saying these things are not options. But it's not nearly as clear cut as you make it.

>>6783960
How exactly has this been posted for three years when it started about a month ago?

>>6783962
yes, that happens every con. bravo. thanks for your incredibly helpful conversation to this discussion.

>>6783974
>get security
>They lie or run off

so they go away. problem solved.

>>6783965
>the guy says you're making too big of a deal
Who the fuck cares what he says? if he's making you uncomfortable then it's good enough. The security guard or a staff member isn't gonna say "Haha womminz" and order you into the kitchen, they're gonna tell the guy to leave you alone.

>lying about it?
Again a staff member or security guard wouldn't take the risk of either of you lying. It's easier to order you both separated at that point regardless of who's causing what.

>if the guy runs off?
Problem solved? If they go away then what's the issue? You got what you wanted. And if they show up again then security or staff have the power to kick him out of the convention if he repeats the offense.

>>6783974
>confirmed for never socially interacting IRL
have fun living in your basement, Xir

>>6783974
>the evil rapist is following me! HE WANT LEAVE! When I go to security he VANISHES and then REAPPEARS to ATTACK ME again! HE CANT BE STOPPED!

Ah yes, the old Boogieman argumet. I'm willing to bet this incidence never happened and you have zero evidence to support it ever did.

>>6783973
"Consent" is a term often associated with the act of sex. "Consenting adults" for instance.

It's not often associated with personal space and candid comments. You don't ask for consent before complimenting a cosplayer. Perhaps you ask if it's okay to put an arm around them or you just hoverhand like a beta, but that's not often seen as consent in the way that consensual sex requires a mutual agreement between consenting adults.

>>6783973

b-but harassment IS rape muh patriarchy!

>>6783971
He's an /r9k/ shit poster who did the same kind of thread but now he's not bothering to use his trip.

>>6783973
Yeah that will do it. He'll stop being ridiculous now. Good job.

>>6783971
He thinks that this thread is a government conspiracy to poison our water with fluoride and bomb Boston. Just ignore him.

>>6783985
You are part of the problem. Harassment is harassment and rape is rape. it's the butthurt angry misogynist anons who always have to go "OH YEAH RIGHT NO ONE EVER GETS RAPED AT A CON. STFU FEMINAZIS"

we're not talking about rape we're talking about harassment

>>6783986
this guy >>6783942 ?

>>6783974
>They follow you
Get security or a staff member, point to the person stalking you.
>They lie or run off
As stated, security or con staff take reports pretty seriously. If you report multiple offenses the person will be caught and they will be thrown out.
>but victim complex!
Nice try, but no. If someone is bugging you and you have a friend nearby it would be dumb of you not to get a friend involved and traverse the con with a group.

You're making excuses for yourself. Typical crybabby with a victim complex.

3rd world problems
>Famine, poverty, crime, political oppression, pollution, murder

1st world problems
>A BOY TOUCHED MY BUTT AT AN ANIME CON!

>>6783992
Tell that to the people running this little Cosplay =/= consent shit.

>>6783992
I'm going to make this easy for you understand, he doesn't care. No matter what you say to a troll they will keep spewing the same ridiculous things for more replies.

>>6783992
You keep claiming rape happens at cons. Do you have even a SINGLE shred of evidence that this has EVER happened? Let alone be a problem we all have to concern ourselves with?

>>6783994
The third world can go fuck itself. We will keep victimizing Western women and minorities until our last breath.

>>6784002
>You keep claiming rape happens at cons.

I did not claim that. Once. Ever.

>>6783994
>The USA has no poverty, crime, hunger, corrupt government, murder or pollution

>>6783850
>victim blaming isn't a thing

>hot woman known for her body is sexually harassed (pic related)
>every living soul screaming SHE DESERVED IT BECAUSE SHE DRESSES LIKE A SLUT
>SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT
>SHE IS SMILING SO SHE LIKED IT

And then you tell me she really did deserve it, or that she should have spoken up etc. Then you tell me you are not blaming the victim.
Seriously?

Sage because you are all hopeless and will keep victim blaming while claiming victim blaming does not exist.

>>6784005
>implying the US actually cares about that shit more than wymyn problems.

>>6783973
>Cosplay =/= Consent is about HARASSMENT

No, it's about an attempt by a few outspoken women on the internet to get in on the slutwalk popularity and get some attention. The bigger a victim you can pretend to be, the more people will notice you.

Notice how the cosplayers holding up the signs are all advertising a girl's cosplay website.

>>6784005
But USA is a 3rd world country. That's the joke.

The problem is that it thinks it's a 1st world country, so it only focuses on solving the latter issues whilst ignoring the former.

>>6784005
>>6784007
Don't you see a pattern of the responses he's giving you? Do you notice they're not getting less asinine and provacative?

>>6784017
>Fatsumi trying to enter a conversation

>>6784003
When you falsley accuse a man of rape or sexual misconduct, it's men who are the victim. Not the other way around.

>>6784019
No it's not, because then you're scaring women who were really raped from telling the truth! The guys probably either deserved it or it was a positive expience for them; to know what their rape culture is capable of by supporting it.

>>6784017
Not really, I was just scrolling by the thread and happened to see that post. It was my first reply here, really.

>>6783980
Except for the whole lying thing. I reported a guy who was harassing me and following me around and he insisted I was lying. My friends backed me up, his friends backed him up and it turned into a whole "he said/she said" ordeal. Con security basically shrugged and said they didn't see any harassment so they couldn't be sure it didn't happen. So then he and his friends would try and start shit with us whenever we saw each other in passing because I "tried to ruin his life" or something.

A lot of people who are harassed (sexually or otherwise) are reluctant to come forward because their sides of the story are scrutinized like hell; often moreso than the person who is doing the harassment. Most of the questions I was asked by security were about what *I* did/said/etc.

Also like in my case, people will get angry with the person who did the reporting because the person they reported got in trouble. (This is especially evident in harassment cases where serious consequences like expulsion or jail time are concerned.) Or, in more minor cases where nothing major can be done, it makes the harassment worse--think school bullies.

>>6784026
Oh boy, more anecdotes. Stupid women seem to be full of them.

Oh, and as always, the guy in question has no name or identity. What a surprise there too.

>>6783865
They're dating, so if you're trying to make a point here, you failed.

>>6784030
He looked kind of like this guy >>6783942 except he didn't have blonde hair.

>>6784030

>Oh, and as always, the guy in question has no name or identity. What a surprise there too.

Yeah I can just imagine
>hi, sorry, I know you're harrassing me and all, but could you tell me your name and personal details? It's just in case I meet incredulous misogynists on 4chan, thanks!

Get a fucking grip.