/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'd love to see a lady amalthea coord.

Reposting my old Sherlock ones.

High Functioning Sociopath Loli.

Chronikooo~

Ill make a few once some requests get posted.

Psychosomatic Limp Lolita.

Big Brother Lolita has been losing weight, actually.

I wanted to be able to find a coordinating tie with umbrellas on it, but I couldn't when I made this.

Updated because I made these before season two and honey, you should see me in a crown.

Ideally, this would have a faux ermine caplet similar to the one he wore from the crown jewels exhibition.

>>6722842
Sage because I just had to say I love her ;_;

Miles please?

Never really done collages before but I've always wanted to do some anime characters.

>>6723041

I like it and the colors, but I don't think that IW dress with the patterns is quite right(I do love that dress though in general).

Chris-chan. I would pay money to see this.

why are these all just special snowflake lolita genderbends? I was hoping for some more like op where they actually fit the character.

I LOVE these threads! Please post moar, /cgl/?

I'm not a Lolita so I don't know any dresses or anything at all :/

Also, could we maybe expand it to all kinds of outfits?

>>6723083
on it.

>>6722886
You are my fucking hero for making this Moriarty coordinate.

>>6723135
You will be my motherfucking hero

Tenth doctor anyone?

>>6723083
Another anon to the one that said they were on it. The socks are 'pearl ribbon' as a reference to semen.

>>6723149
OH MY GOD IT'S EVERYTHING I EVER HOPED IT WOULD BE. The amulet... it's... it's too perfect. I promise you all I'm going to wear this one day.

>>6723149
Hol-ly fuck.
This is epic.

>>6723149

awesome coord aside, has anyone heard of anything new regarding him?

>>6723197
Outoftheloopfag here.. Who is this guy exactly? If one wishes to not derail the thread, just provide me a name. I shall encyclopedia dramatica this shit.

>>6723197

He was on Failosophy.

Ta-da~!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc2_kK_12w

>>6723209
Chris-chan.

You may just want to skip over the picture section.

>>6723209
cwc should get you where you need to go

>>6723209

Y'all should know me by now, but if you don't, I am Christian Weston Chandler, the original creator of Sonichu, the Electric Hedgehog Pokemon, back on March 17th, 2000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1XmuUP8Z7r4

I've been wanting to do a Yume Nikki inspired Lolita co-ord for a long time now. I am finding it hard to incorperate Madotsuki's shirt pattern nicely into it though.... will someone help me out please? <:)

Ninfia!
i was thinking about using this
http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/photos/l220-2.jpg?3/26/2013%202:46:05%20AM in pink and fixing it up a bit (changing lace, replacing bow, ect)

>>6723336
forgot pic!

>>6723300
oh wow that will be hard are you thinking of a specific effect or just regular madotsuki

>>6723149
I had a great chuckle AND would wear the shit out of this. A+

>>6723341
ahaha sorry i really meant regular madotsuki (and Poniko too if iits not too much trouble :P)

I should have used a different picture i just thought the frog's expression was appropriate hahaahaha sorryy :P

>>6722836
That would be great.

>>6722836
didn't turn out great, didn't find very good accessories, but I tried at least

>>6723936
I love you anon.

I really love the idea of character themed coords a bit too much.

This is addicting...

Rarity Coord.

Think I'm going to do a few more pony coords

>>6724230
Fluttershy

>>6724307
Pinkie Pie

/r/ minnie mouse and daisy duck coord

>No Avengers
I'm going to pretend you mean MCU and ask for a Bill Foster coord, since my friends will go as Ant-Man and Wasp to a con and I'll join them.
Actually a Wasp coord would rock, she wore some loli-ish coats in the Tales to Astonish comics.
He wore many other costumes but mainly in that color scheme

>>6724230
where is that blouse from please

>>6724307
Shit that is adorable
Would wear if it weren't for the penis

>>6724453
Applejack

>>6724491
H&M , though it was sold like two years ago. I have it in cream and Its lovely

>>6722837
>>6722844

YES
ITS ALL I EVER WANTED

I love you. ;__;

>>6723336
>>6723338
I don't know... Sylveon is all about the dramatic block colors, so I'm not sure if subtle pink stripes would be the best.

Requesting OTT Sylveon/Ninfia!

Oh god, can someone please do Elizabeth's outfit from Bioshock infinite?

>>6724506
Here's a Rainbow Dash coord I found, also I think the Misty Sky could work with this as well.

>>6722842
Chroniko
>>6722900
Miles Edgeworth
(seconding)
>>6723408
Madotsuki and Poniko
>>6724480
Minnie Mouse and Daisy Duck
>>6724490
Bill Foster
>>6724754
Elizabeth from Bioshock infinite

>>6724968
You forgot Sylveon

>>6723338
While we're at it, how about like, all the Evee evolutions?

>>6723408
Yeah not my best work (Diferent annon)

>>6724506
>>6724453
>>6724307
>>6724230
>>6724765

ohmygod. someone do twilight sparkle.

>>6724765
I am anon who did the other MLPs and I actually thought about using Misty Sky

>>6725670
I'm doing it right now but she is harder than the others to get right

>>6724506
>>6725670
Twilight Sparkle

>>6723149
WHY DO I LIKE THIS OUTFIT SO MUCH FFFFF

And last Pony Coord; Rainbow Dash

These were so fun to do!

>>6725905 I will try out these later today

>>6725978
same here, this outfit is cute as fuck.

bampu desu

as soon as I get on my computer I'll make one

>>6724480

Daisy Duck coord

I don't read the comic but uh... Homestuck coord?

Also would love the blouse off of anyone if they did a sgt. Frog coord..

>>6726419
>sgt. Frog coord..
lol... I don't know about the Kerons but I'd like to see a Lavi or Mois coord, actually. That'd be cute. Maybe a Pururu coord..?

Maybe kodona Tamama I guess.

>>6726409
And Minnie Mouse

>>6723936
>>6723936
source for the shoes, OP and headdress? i know the dress is AP but whats the name?

>>6724078
>>6724078
name of dress, and source for shoes and tights?

>>6724506
>not using metas apple print
>>6726441
lol im guilty of doing this all the time with my french girl jsk...practically the only reason i want yellow shoes.

>>6726443

OP is Mooncastle by AP
http://www.angelicpretty-usa.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4841

Headdress is Innocent World

Shoes are Secret Shop

>>6726447
Dress is Paulina by Mary Magdalene
http://hellolace.net/wardrobe/mary-magdalene/type/jsk/item/34/

Shoes are Secret Shop and Tights are from Taobao, searched Floral tights

>>6724506
I though Metas Apple dress was to Retro for Applejack. I wanted the country look to be consistent

>>6726441
I understand you. If I owned this dress I would've done the same

>>6726467
links for the secret shop shoes?? seems they only have socks...

>>6726532
Secret Shop doesn't sell their shoes directly. Only through Clobba, afaik.

>>6725633
Also, I made Madotsuki

>>6726431
Id be happy with anyone to be honest.

>>6726441
There are just so many dresses that can be used for Miss Minnie

>>6726667
black and white jewelry like pic related would look good with this coord?

Eevee was hard to do...

Can someone do these coords:
Utena
Anthy
Emma (Victorian romance Emma )
Sailor Pluto
Dante (old Devil May Cry)

>>6726667
>>6725633

thank you so much :D

>>6726946
My attempt at Dante's coord

Anyone up for a coord of Celes from FF6?

Any outfit is fine, but I think I'd most likely wear the opera one since I don't really go well with yellow. Still, I think the yellow one would be really interesting too!

I gotta say I'm a big fan of these character inspired coords as an alternative to rule 63. I've never been a huge fan of genderbend in cosplay, especially the "lolifed" stuff. I think what I like most is that it takes elements from the character, but interprets them with subtle, existing accessories and clothes rather than putting on clothes in a character's color scheme and layering on chunky elements like swords and derpy helmets that don't even begin to look good.

Alright, let's see who's up for the challenge.

>>6726409
I'd love to see someone wearing this

>>6726441
I love this but shouldn't the shoes be yellow?

>>6728314
Challenge accepted.

It's more of the general "idea" of his outfit and character rather than an exact replica.

>>6728668
Now THAT'S impressive.

I fucking hate this character coord fad because most of them are horrible and tasteless and would never remind me of the character in question at all. This thread is no exception.

>>6730609
don't hate, appreciate

>>6727760

Nicely done. I like everything here except the wig. Colors match well and the Rebellion sword pendant is a great touch that I really like.

I'd do a long wig and tie a low ponytail and bring it over the shoulder to show off a small version of his pendant necklace as the hair clasp.

>>6727760

Nicely done! I like everything here except the wig. Colors match well and the Rebellion sword pendant is a great touch that I really like.

I'd do a long wig and tie a low ponytail and bring it over the shoulder to show off a small version of his pendant necklace as the hair clasp.

>>6723098
>>6723037
>>6723041
Could you make one for Kayneth and Sola-Ui, too, please?

>>6731659
Sure! Just give me a moment. The one character in Fate I have trouble with doing a co-ord for is Gilgamesh because I feel like it'd just be all the most rarest prints bundled on top of each other as all the worlds treasures belong to him.

The only picture I have related. Any Wreck it Ralph coords?
I love that movie so much.

>>6731655

Thank you anon! Those wigs are way better. I've added your suggestions to the collage.
Also I 've put few additions such as a trunk bag, black pearl studs and a ribcage ring.

>>6731724
Finding anything suitable for lolita in orange is nearly impossible.

>>6731671
>The one character in Fate I have trouble with doing a co-ord for is Gilgamesh because I feel like it'd just be all the most rarest prints bundled on top of each other as all the worlds treasures belong to him.

That sounds amazing.

Also, predictable, but could you make a Saber coord, please?

I didn't know what bag to pick so I ended up on a heart shaped one to represent his broken heart.

>>6732577
Brb laughing forever because filename.
Thank you already for the kayneth.

Could someone do a Moon Knight co-ord? It's my bf favourite character and I want to impress him

pic related

Requesting James Sunderland and/or Heather Mason please?

>>6732587
never heard of kayneth fried chicken?

Or as /a/ also likes to call it after Kiritsugu happened... kayneth fried circuits

>>6732577
That is fantastic, any plans to finish team NTR?

>>6731671
I decided to give Gil a go properly rather than than mixing your original idea with GoB and having him wear all versions of Iron Gate.

Lolita and gold blouses apparently don't cross over. Who would have thought?

>>6732772
it needs something on the head to balance it out

>>6732784
I thought the tiara headband might not be enough but I kinda gave up on it after about 3hrs on the outfit.
I welcome anyone to improve it.

this thread is awesome!

>>6726787
I love it.... beyond words

>>6726787
It would fit better if all the dark browns were a bit lighter
but otherwise it's perfect

>>6726787
Source on those boots?

>>6726667
DUDE Sauce on everything in this coord!

>>6732601

>>6732904
I tried to find lighter ones but it wasn't as easy as I thought it would

>>6733017
DreamV

>>6733022
Embroidered Tiara Logo Cutsew by Angelic Pretty
Royal Pretty Skirt by Angelic Pretty
Red tea party shoes by Angelic Pretty
Diary bag by MILK
And tights and hair thingies are offbrand of course

Where do you get the hair thingies though?

>>6733604
>>6733657
Thank you both kind anons.

I wasn't sure what to do about the gloves... there isn't really a way to have solid white gloves not be tacky!

Ohwell

I always see pony co-ords but never of the cmcs.
Could one of you kind Lolitas do a Scootaloo for me?

>>6733816
Or, diff anon, but Maybe Sweetie Belle? I know orange is a bitch to match, but sweetie's got the typical white and lilac look......

>>6733669
Etsy.com

>>6733987
thats like giving ebay as a source. please don't

When you're so rich and such a dick that you build an entire amusement park wing dedicated to murdering someone who beat you in a card game.

(Ideally, I would have a charm bracelet with card charms from the series, but I couldn't find one quality enough.)

>>6734044

>>6734044
I feel like if he was actually a lolita, he would wear MM.

>>6734022
or google

>>6734059
There is no room for brotherly affection in the world of brand!

>>6734070
He would also obtain those sets that are very rare and cost thousands of dollars.

He would then proceed to destroy them so they can't be used against him.

>>6734044
That hairband is fucking sweet, where's it from?

>>6734092
Haha oh man, I could totally see him being this bitter classic lolita who bought up Sugary Carnival and Iron Gate just to tear them in half dramatically and then post bitchy secrets about it.

>>6734101
It's from Miu Miu, but I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to find one that costs a reasonable amount of money. I'm doing a search for one right now, so I'll let you know if anything pops. I got the best results by typing in "buckle headband"

>>6728668
Would wear/ 10

>>6722836
oh lawd this

Not as satisfied with this. Probably because I had no idea what to do for a wig and that's normally where I start. A hime wig would achieve the appropriate level of "The back of your head is ridiculous". Maybe a split wig because lame symbolism? It would be nice if I could find a black one with blonde bangs. Failing that, a blonde wig might suffice since the other two colors are in the headdress.

Either way, ero and gothic elements just seemed to fit.

Also in a perfect world:

1. The tights would have duel monster cards instead of tarot
2. The millennium puzzle replica would be decent quality

>>6734226
niiiiiice

sauce on the blouse please?

>>6734244
Thanks!

Antique Beast made it.

>>6733816
I did the other pony coords in this thread and I can try out the CMCs

>>6734976
Huzzah! Thank you, anon

>>6723300
Ages ago I made a Madotsuki coord on Polyvore but I just fixed some items. Hope it serves as inspiration.

>>6735028
I had also made other Yume Nikki characters, I compiled them all in one pic. I had posted some of this coords before on random coord threads without the character related things because idk.

>>6735044
I'm dumb and forgot the pic.

>>6735028
that does not in any way convey madotsuki

>>6735056
I just tried using the color scheme and apply it to something that fits classic lolita.

requesting a daenerys targaryen or arya stark coord please

>>6735056
Then make one yourself. Jfc

I would kill to see My little pony tales (or ponies from the older series) coords. Superior kawaii!

>>6735056
It sort of does, actually. And if you disagree, >>6735139

Don't judge me~

>>6735171
Cute! That's my favorite manga, too.

>>6735171
I like this a whole lot, but is the bat belt necessary?

>>6735210
Thanks!

>>6735216
I wasn't sure what to do about the belt... she does wear a belt in the manga, but just a plain belt seemed kind of out of place. I couldn't find any particularly loli belts, and I think it needs at least one thing to make it markedly horror themed. Though I think the ties on the dress would have to be removed for a belt like this to work.

>>6735218
ogawd. dat undershirt. link please kind anon??

>>6735218
ogawd. dat undershirt. link please kind anon?

>>6735226

4chan won't let me post the URL. Just type it in manually.

Picture related.

>>6735171
Source on shoes please!

>>6735218
Sorry, but that's a pretty horrible coord.

>>6735246

Here you go. Link is in the image this time as well, I'd rather not take any more chances, as I was just banned for trying to post the last link.

Expensive shoes.

>>6735258
>400 bucks

Wtf? Those shoes are from antaina and cost like 40bucks. I don't usually care about stores reselling stuff from taobao for a higher prize, but 10times the price is not ok

>>6735343

Oh shit thanks for telling me. I'm sorry for posting those then, I'm not very loli (probably clear from my coords) so I honestly just clicked the first thing that looked good on google images. The site did look a bit fishy to me, I should investigate things like that further before linking people to them in the future.

>>6735346
No worries. Most of the shoes on that website are cheap taobao. But their pictures are better than antainas so using them is no problem

Requesting Deadpool and Spiderman please?

>>6735551
I don't think that color scheme would be good for lolita. at all.

Red and blue and red and black are used in lolita all the time.

>>6735607
then go ahead, enlighten me with a spiderman and deadpool coord that doesn't look like ass.

I would love to see this, If its possible.

>>6726419
I've been planning a Rose Lalonde coord for a while, actually. I'm not totally sold on the bag, though, and I'm not sure if I should add more accessories or if this is fine.

Could anyone do a Marceline from Adventure Time coord? I was wanting to attemp it but would love something to go off of!

>>6726730
where did you find those dresses?

>>6736044
Are you retarded?

>>6735796
seconding.
where do you plan on wearing it?
the OP coord I posted-I ended up wearing as a cosplay and it came out pretty well
>>6734048

again, thanks to the anon that did the coord for me.

>>6735630

I decided to experiment a bit with a pastel version, but I must go to sleep for now

>>6736044
lol'd hard

>>6735218
Ah, I see. That makes sense then. I was going to suggest a bat shaped purse or something with crows since (from what I remember in the manga) there were quite a bit of them around. I can't really criticize or suggest much for the belt either since I haven't seen anything that would be nice for Midori's belt.

I would love to see a Charlotte coord

>>6733816
Apple Bloom first

>>6736930
Sweetie Belle

>>6736545
That's great! Source on the pill necklace? That's sweet. I'm not a Loli but I would love to do it with one of those circle skirts with a wide waist band. I just love those skirts.

>>6736953
Thank you!

Pill necklace here:
etsy.com/listing/70141863/pill-necklace-bronze-pill-pendant-on-24

>>6736945
Ahh that's perfect thank you. Would you mind if I use this at a con sometime?

>>6735551
Maybe

>>6736945
Scootaloo.. or well, at least I tried. That Purple and Orange color is just so un existant in lolita!

>>6736973
Thanks! And feel free to do

>>6736653
A million times this.
Or any Madoka/magical girl themed coords.

>>6736978
Herp Derp forgot the pic

>>6722842
Someone else watched Kaiba!? I can die happy now.

>>6736979
Madoka!

request~

>>6735758
personally, i don't like the bag and the shoes look too pink while the other things are pale purple

other than that it's good

just made this dumb set inspired by kanaya maryam from homestuck
i just really love vampire requiem in red ahhh

>>6736997
Sayaka

>>6737072
None of these blues match at all. Also, why that skirt of all things?

>>6737078
The blue on the skirt, cape and headbow seem very similar , at least on my monitor. The boots were the only blue one I could find.
I chose Aqua Princess because of her Witch form

>>6737078
>why a mermaid Skirt
>Sayaka.
Do you even Meguka?

Could I request a Kuroneko inspired chord?

>>6737089
done

>>6736980
aaaah anon who originally asked for this, thank you so much! This is so cute, I need to track down that skirt and attempt this co-ord.

>>6737091
H-Haha... I was expecting someone to do that. I meant like something close to her outfit using actual items.

Christin~a!

>>6737072
Mami

I spent more time on this than I probably should have.

>>6737109
I am so in love with those shorts you have no idea.

>>6737119
Stupid non Loli question, but what are these skirts called? Are there patterns for them somewhere?

with character coords I saw these girls at MTAC and fell in love with their outfits.

Glinda was my favorite
>dat bedazzled dress

they were so much more astounding in person

>>6737116
Kyouko

>>6737148
looks like a plain A-line skirt to me.

>>6737162
And Homura!

>>6736979
Hope you liked my Madoka coords

Does anybody have ideas for a Chihiro coord? I'm mostly through a No Face one for me and my girlfriend wants us to go as a couple

>>6738104

Doesn't she just wear like, a rose-pink one piece thing with a white bow on it? Should be simple enough if your gf is in any way competent with lolita at all

If she can make her wig really accurate that would probably make it stand out

Requesting Sailor Moon coords

>>6738104

I'll make you one right now. Do you want Bath House Chihiro, or Regular Clothes Chihiro?

I love this thread, so much.

>>6737219
Does the black collar get worn over or under the shirt collar?
>>6737109
There's nothing for that garter to hold up. Perhaps a garter which is purely decorational? Or else the buckle is just left flapping about.

>>6739165
I imagined it going over

>>6739158
Sorry, had to do the work thing. I personally would prefer regular clothes to the bath house look because I like the color scheme, but either will work.

>>6739165
I thought the garter would be decorational, and clipped to the shorts.

>>6737148
It's a pretty plain high-waisted A-line skirt. You should be able to find tutorials online with these search terms but you might have to Frankenstein the A-line skirt and the high waistband together.

Eeyore coord?

>>6739717
Derp, forgot image.

I'd really love to see a Victorique hnnng
Extra, godly bonus points with the pipe!

>>6739735
>>6737089
Seconding these two!

>>6737086
Twinkle mermaid is a much better choice than aqua princess.

>>6737160
Why do all chubby white girl lolis look like Maiko Fantajia?

>>6739765
Because you hate her so much that if anyone looks at all similar its going to rustle your Jimmies. We've all been there with someone.

anywho, can't upload pictures (on the wii) but I'd love to see a:
>rilakkuma kodona or aristo coord
>a korillakuma x rillakuma twinning coordinate
>that marceline coord that other anon suggested

chances are, if I've ever requested a coord for you, I went out and bought the items for said coord on the spot. so for anyone that made coords for me many thanks.

>>6739154

>>6739724
Went with Grey Eeyore, not Blue eeyore, because I think he's cuter that way

>>6739838
White shirt with a red bow would look better, imo.

>>6739885
I agree, but I couldn't find any. I only found Pink and All White ones.

>>6739885
>>6739895
Never Mind, Found one

Better?

>>6737148
Seconding the other posters, only in this case the hem circumference is generally 3x the waist circumference, which is different from a usual A-Line.

>>6739875
Jesus, thats adorable...

team rocket coord, maybe?

>>6739899
yes

>>6739875
would wear/10

>>6739875
Thanks! This is just too adorable

>>6726419
Seconding homestuck
give me a good cherub/lord english coord and I'll be forever yours

>>6732470

That is so cute, great job!

>>6740027
dropped pic like a retord

>>6734226
Oh I love this! The only thing I would say is change all the gold to silver (YY is VERY fond of silver) and maybe find some way to incorporate dark blue? But this is still better than anything I could have come up with. I would love to see one for Yugi (and even Atem!)

>>6735758
i think you should try to incorporate the squiddle. like you could get some polymer clay and make a squiddle ring or necklace.

>>6740253
I actually had a nice chat with another anon at the homestuck general thread, and I'm gonna be making a Squiddle hairpin with it. I'm not sure about other accessories, though.

>>6737016
hmm maybe if you don't plan on wearing the horns, you could change the bow color to orange.

>>6737162
sauce on boots?

>>6740272
whoops nevermind i just saw the watermark

>>6740260
in the beginning she went outside and had a pink scarf. you could try some kind of fancy silk scarf or tie.

>>6739171
You'd probably want a different shirt then.

>>6739785
I do agree with anon, that dorothy does sort of look like Maiko...

requesting coord of my husband

>>6739735
Also wouldn't mind one of a Yuno.

>>6740728

>>6722886
>>6722852
>>6722844
>>6722837

I love you much much more than i would ever care to admit

>>6723149
That dress is actually so cute ahhh

>>6740579
yes yes all of my yes please someone

I would love to see more /co/ords

>>6735758
Personally I'm not to fond if that, because it's more just "Rose's default colors slapped into a coord with a shitty blouse."
I put together a coord with many of the darker elements of Rose's story and personality. She's a goth, so gothic lolita is much better suited for her. I included a violin purse, since she plays the violin.

>>6740579
>>6740759
KONO DIO NO BURANDO

These are all awesome

>>6741133
Anon! Where is that dress from? It is gorgeous.

Also, requesting Disney princess stuff? No one in particular, do your favourite.

>>6736545
How about that bracelet?

>>6741226
BEAUTIFUL. I'm not even into lolita and I'd wear it.

Requesting this lovely psycho please.

Here is a challenge.

Do it.

>>6742527

I did an Aurora coord a while back with the Lockshop Dolly wig because the blonde one looks exactly like her hair. Let me see if I can find it.

>>6742746
I'd love to see this.

Also any Sailor Jupiter?

>>6740728
>>6740731

>>6742962
yess anon, thank you!

>>6742736
I want to see this.
Draven is my boyfriends favourite champ

Bump

May I request a Sephiroth (FF VII) coord?

requesting a Gordon Freeman or a Darth Vader coord

>>6746497

>>6742527
It's Moi Meme Moitie's Sleeping Garden.
Also here's a Belle I threw together

>>6746776
Thank you, Anon! It's very lovely.

>>6739493
Like, worn upside-down?
Okay that makes more sense, I was just imagining it flapping.

>>6739899
Yep, that looks better.

Anne of Green Gables?

bump?

>>6734044
>>6734226
>>6737119

Yuugiou anon you are my hero. Only thing I'd change is add a spilt wig or something for Yuugi, and maybe a red headress instead for Touzoku.

>>6749600

Just noticed you already considered a split wig. Derp.

>>6747384

Anne of Green Gables is actually what started a trend in the 1970s in Japan called Natural Kei

Natural Lolita is becoming a thing now, it makes me so happy

a loveline coord would really cheer me up.

Nanako obviously tried but that shit be lookin ita as hell.