/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

OP is a faggot. People who think garments are tainted by not being burando are the worst.

I feel a lot better now.

>>6663592
It's not the fact that it's not ~burando~. It's the fact that the company makes money off stealing other people's work and that the quality is poor. Learn to read. I don't care about offbrand, handmade or Taobao brands as long as they don't steal.

>>6663565
I agree. My aesthetic in lolita is luxury and opulence. Nothing says trailer park quite like a poorly-made dress made out of thin shiny cotton.

>>6663601
>cheap
>is of inferior quality
>not expensive, luxurious
>it's not a proper brand so I judge people who wear it
Did you even read your own post?

This thread will end well and will certainly not be the same 5 trolls rehashing the same old bullshit

>>6663620
My main point was that they steal almost everything that they release. But on top of that their garments are shitty quality like something you could get from Walmart and that is not what lolita is about. You are thick.

I spend most of my spair money on lolita and have owned about 40 different dresses but I never wear them as I don't feel I can live up to them. My ugly nose and awkward self ruins the effect of the gorgeous clothes.

>>6663633
No, you are backpedaling.

Whatever, to get back to general confessions:
I was once angry at a friend so I bought a dress I knew she wanted but couldn't fit into. Probably the pettiest shit I've ever done in my life.

>>6663646
Lolwat. I have been consistent and have a solid argument. Stop being so defensive and butthurt that not everyone likes Bodyline.

>>6663653
Diffanon but if your main issue was the fact that they make replicas then you should have said so, not all that other bullshit about "inferior quality" and "luxury"

>>6663565
You're...not the brightest person, are you anon?

>>6663653
I've never bought Bodyline, but I've seen quite cute coords with it, and I'm capable of not being a judgmental twat. But no, I must be Mr. Yan in a wig because I think judging people for not buying what you consider "expensive" and "luxurious" enough to be pretty fucking rude.

I spend roughly a thousand USD on lolita a month and I own some main pieces from bodyline. I don't wear them to big meet ups or conventions because of judgey people like OP, but quite frankly I have no problem with them, or other people wearing them.

Yeah, they aren't the most expensively made pieces in my wardrobe, but that just means it takes a little more effort to coord them into outfits that look that way.

Captcha: Money, ifectsie

>>6663663
I never knew that not supporting shoddy replicas was stupid. Hm, what do you know?

>>6663667
You are only focusing on the points that you want to focus on. Once again, I shall spell it out. My main issue with Bodyline is that they steal the majority of what they release and produce subpar counterfeits. The end.

I scammed like $2000 from Maiko during the confusion, first using 2 different paypals of mine and my friends' in different areas, and then having her send a money order to another friend.

>>6663667
Also, most of my best lolita friends wear Bodyline. Do I say anything nasty to them? Of course not. But everyone judges others, it's a fact of life. As free of judgement as you may like to think you are, I'm sure you'd judge someone if you saw them walking down the street in nothing but a garbage bag.

>>6663674
>wahh, you're using my own words against me and I don't like it
Well, my main argument was that you have blue teeth and your farts smell disgusting.

See, I can bullshit about what is clearly visible upthread too!

>>6663681
I don't care if you disagree with what I said about lolita being a luxurious fashion, it's just ignorant of you to only use that as your argument against me and ignore everything else I said. Why would I have said that if I thought it went against my argument? Anyway, I am done here. Feel free to be a dense and ignorant fool somewhere else.

i have no money and i am really considering almost maxing my credit card to get my dream dress
please convince me this is a bad idea

>>6663686
Don't do it, you'll regret it and the interest will make it cost way more than it's worth.

>>6663678
Part of me wants to say you are awesome for scamming the scammer, (if this is true) but was part of that money supposed to go to other girls? =/

>>6663680
>comparing wearing a garbage bag to wearing low-budget lolita
pic related

>>6663684
"I am done here" doesn't mean "you have to leave," you know. Or this time are you backpedaling the sentence that came before?

P.S. No shit I'm only calling the parts wrong that I thought were wrong. I can disagree with part of your argument without disagreeing with all of it, that's not "ignorant."

>>6663690
To be fair, a garbage bag is a good example as it is something that everyone would agree is a stupid thing to wear. It's much better than saying something like "some skank in a short, see through dress".

>>6663697
It's a horrible example to use in a debate, though. It's a pretty big fallacy, she's using an extreme exaggeration that would hardly ever happen

>>6663693
No, it means that I'm not going to reply anymore. Whut, that doesn't even make any sense.

How can an opinion be wrong? To me replicas are morally wrong while inferior quality lolita clothes are just pointless as it is much wiser to save up a bit extra for a decent quality piece that will last longer and get more use. Bodyline is both of the above which in my opinion renders it a joke.

>>6663697
Are you really going to make me say it?

A garbage bag is not lolita. Your example is dumb and irrelevant.

>>6663686
THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. On top of everything else, you don't want to soil your dream dress with all that guilt and stress.

>>6663688
i know, but it's so tempting, and it is the last dress I want to buy...

>>6663706
>It means I'm not going to reply anymore
>Replies
lel

>>6663674
...I find it hard to believe that your whole issue is shoddy replicas when you named bodyline as the company you have the most trouble with.

C'mmon, I'm all for bashing shoddy replicas, but there are easier targets. J&J Lolita? DOL? KStar?

Bodyline's a bit of a stretch. They don't sell print replicas any more (and there were less than a dozen of those) and the majority of their things these days aren't exact copies of anything.

>>6663693
Also, as for the whole point about lolita being luxurious, I am referring to the special feeling of feeling gorgeous and like a princess that lots of girls look to get from lolita. Wearing a $30 crappy dress is hardly going to bring out your inner, more confident self.

>>6663709
The example was comparing types of judgement, not lolita. There is no point in debating with people on here, is there?

>>6663706
>How can an opinion be wrong?
If it's dumb or unfounded? Of course opinions can be wrong. Go back to tumblr if you want your opinions to be precious and above disagreement.

>>6663680
You just jelly of my mad style.

>>6663715
>I am referring to the special feeling of feeling gorgeous and like a princess that lots of girls look to get from lolita. Wearing a $30 crappy dress is hardly going to bring out your inner, more confident self.
LAWD
Not with judgmental cunts like you around it sure won't!

Some people can feel like a princess in their Bodyline, get the fuck over it! You were saying you judged people for not buying luxury, not that you were oh so concerned for their princess feelings.

>There is no point in debating with people on here, is there?
Not when your method of argument is just denying what you clearly said upthread and bullshitting.

>>6663712
It's basically because they're the one that has been around during the 6/7 years I've been into lolita and the fact that everyone pretends that they didn't used to sell print replicas and shitty $2 g strings. All the new replicas make me sad but I guess that's what happens when something becomes popular.

I've always loved the way lolita looks, but don't have the money to spend on a lolita specific wardrobe. I was wondering if it in bad taste to coord regular store bought items (ditsy dresses, circle skirts, buttoned down shirts) with lolita elements like a petticoat and accessories. I'm not talking hot topic lolita dresses, but outfits made from ordinary items strategically put together.

How terrible would that be? It does run the risk of just being recognized as normal clothes, but would real lolitas get all butt hurt about it?

Would it be looked down upon to do this kind of closet lolita?

>>6663715
>The example was comparing types of judgement

But we are discussing lolita, not different types of judgement.

You chose an extreme example to get everyone to agree with you

>>6663709
this is very true. i guess i'll just watch from afar and see if it's still available when i have money.

>>6663720
Just don't post it in lolita communities and no one will know about it to get butthurt.

I don't even like lolita anymore, but I don't know what to replace it with.

Also, I got banned from the sales comm about 2 years ago. I accidentally did something that damaged an item in shipping. I now know that I could have handled it better but I was experiencing something really, really tough at the time and it was my first sale and I panicked and freaked out.

I wish I could make amends to that person, but any attempt would probably start weird dramu.

>>6663720
Just buy handmade, seriously

Lady Sloth sells basic skirts for like $40, surely you can spare that much and buy a chiffon blouse from F21 or something

There is no such thing as "closet lolita," thrifting lolita items rarely works out favorably

>>6663716
Then tell me how my opinion of believing that lolita pieces should be of good quality, unique and more expensive than the average dress and thus more precious in order to make the pieces all the more special is wrong? Lolita is a luxury fashion, it is a fact. Walmart quality clothes won't do in a fashion that is about showing your extravagent side and feeling like a princess.

>>6663686
Seriously, you will be filled with regret and it won't be worth it.

>>6663686
Do you have a job?
Get a job first, then reward yourself with your dream dress.

I wonder how boring people must be that their focus in life revolves around clothes and rules you must follow while in those clothes.

>>6663719
...right, so then the issue isn't that they sell cheap replicas, per say, is it? It's that they are an ex-sex-shop, and you think they (and their customers) are inferior because it costs less*, and because of how it was founded, not because there is necessarily anything wrong with the clothing they currently sell.

*people think it costs less, at least. In all actuality, you can get second hand AP for less than new Bodyline if you go with non-print stuff these days.

>>6663721
Good for them but that's only until they get something that's better quality. Oh dear, I do not judge people for not wearing luxury items. It's for supporting a company that steals. I instead feel Bodyline is not up to par with the typical lolita brands as its quality does not reach that of the latter which is considered luxurious (amongst other things) in comparison to everyday clothes due to the quality and detailing.

What are you talking about? I have never denied anything I have said.

>>6663720
Handmade and taobao, or maybe look into mori or dolly kei.

>>6663731
I hear trees are popular with lolita these days. Maybe start a citrus orchard.

>>6663690
>but was part of that money supposed to go to other girls? =/
I didn't take from other girls, I basically just had to giver her a vague description of a sale. All 3 of them were through email and basically consisted of "Hello, I sold you an AP skirt and JSK on *generic date and time during chargebacks* the charge was *random believable number* she got back to me and everything, I didn't even have to give her proof or any of that, she just sent it all out.

>>6663737
of course i do! i work full time and it was any other circumstance i could buy it with half my paycheck...but i bought a different dress a week ago, paid rent and bills, and promised i'd buy my boyfriend a camera with my next paycheck
>>6663733
you are right, thank you

>>6663740
What, that is the issue. It's just also extra seedy about the ex sex shop thing. Their customers are not inferior, that is ridiculous. I just can't help but judge them as I am human and everyone judges everyone for one reason or another. And that is the sole way I judge people in lolita. Their quality has improved but that is not saying much considering the fact that they used to only sell shiny lace monsters.

That's another point I was trying to make, though. It is more worthwhile to get the secondhand brand instead.

>>6663743
>Good for them but that's only until they get something that's better quality.
See
>>6663664
>I do not judge people for not wearing luxury items
You literally said you judge people for buying from a "not proper brand."
You are denying what you said right in this post.

Seriously I can't, you have got to be the densest bitch on /cgl/, and that really says something.

>>6663743
I work in a mainstream fashion store for 15-25 year old females.
I judge anyone with this attitude.
I see women come in every day and spend $50 or more on a fucking hoodie.

There is no law of capitalism that requires a company to sell an item for what it is actually worth. If a company can convince you via viral marketing and a pretty storefront that you are purchasing something because you NEED it and that it's worth $50, they can sell it to you for $50 even if it costs about $1 to make.

>>6663731
Send a PM saying "I'm so sorry the item was damaged in shipment, is there anything I could do to make amends?"

No dramu necessary.

>>6663758
If it was 2 years ago, it'd seem weird to suddenly send a message to the buyer.

>>6663753
I only said that I judge people for wearing Bodyline, not for not buying from one of the reliable brands. I later stated that the judgement comes from supporting replicas. There is no denial there. Well, it can only be amusing that you said that as you seem to have missed the point of everything I have said completely and I have written a shit ton which means you must be super duper dense.

>>6663761
Oh, I missed that part. Yeah, that is a bit weird. Maybe you could PM a mod explaining the situation?

>>6663758
It was a long time ago, and she also received a chargeback.

I wish I could just like anonymously send her an item from her wishlist or something.

>>6663745
Wrong climate.

>>6663755
Once again, I have to lay it out simply. Brands like Baby, The Stars Shine Bright are far better quality and thus it is better value to buy second hand BTSSB over new Bodyline. I would never buy a $50 hoody unless it was super intricate and amazing quality.

>>6663748
Am I the only lolita who isn't bothered by this?
Fetishists gonna Fetish. Companies will produce stuff that will sell.

When girls find out that there are websites devoted to yoga pants or women with painted toenails or something they don't stop wearing them. If a company realizes they will make more money selling to people who are clothing otakus rather than clothing fetishists, they'll change their brand image. Plenty of clothing companies used to produce wildly different things than they do now.

>>6663768
But I thought the problem was that they sold replicas, and not the relative quality?

>>6663768
I wasn't saying that about Baby vs Bodyline.

What about brand shoes? Many reviews suggest that they really are not higher quality than offbrand ones, so what gives brands the right to charge more for them?

>>6663777
There are a number of problems with Bodyline, number one - replicas, number two - shitty quality. It is possible to have more than one argument and the replica subject was not relevant to your comment.

>>6663787
I know, but it was about quality vs pricing which is relevant to BTSSB/Bodyline. I think the majority of brand shoes are terrible and the only reason people buy them for the most part seems to be because of the unique designs.

I'm a Lolita who owns 100% brand, I'm gonna say fuck you OP. Let people enjoy whatever they want. You make us 'brand whores' Look elitist and bitchy

>>6663794
I don't think silently and unconciously judging someone is going to impact people enjoying their clothes. 4chan just brings out the worst in people and the sides that they keep to themselves because they know they're being silly.

I didn't like Alice in Wonderland.

I eat up trump themes and prints like it's going to out of style. I love everything trump print and I can't enough of how many times AP incorporates trumps into their prints.

>>6663802
Posting about it on 4chan isn't so silent of unconscious, bro

>>6663802
Exactly, these are things I keep to myself so it doesn't impact anyone aside from the occasional bitch on /cgl/. I know I shouldn't care so much about lolita things but I do. That's why it's a confession.