/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>6658880
Cute. Just wish she used a different wig. Those red/pink wigs, buh.

>>6658880
who is this? the maker

>>6658880
I really really don't like the look of this print... it looks... transparent... if that makes any sense? Like it looks like they took a low resolution of the print and enlarged it poorly to me... It also looks way too corny and the colors (for sweet lolita which has a very defined color pallet for pastels to match up with accessories) look slightly off and too 'bright'. It just looks like a costume to me.

>>6658869
I have one of these skirts (bought used) at least another print she did and the skirt is not worth the price she charges... flimsy, super light weight cotton with a cheapo liner. That's it. And I think she charges 75 or something for these?

>>6658880
I love it!! Look at that lace! and asdfasd everything. I love pastel colors but they look horrible with my skin tone, but the ones used on this dress I think will look great!
I hope she makes a black/red version.

>>6658880
This looks super cute in person. That's the designer wearing it, I believe her brand is Dou Loux.

>>6659107
you... can't even see the lace..

all i see is rick rack which is tacky as fucking hell.

>>6658880
the part of me that's still sad I never got wonder cookie is a bit tempted...

>>6659134
I see heart lace around the hem of the skirt

>>6659134
The rick rac around the apron actually works really nicely. Not sure how I feel about it on the dress itself

The lace at the bottom is really cute though.

>>6658880
It looks so childish and costumey and I can't help but want it so badly.

>>6658880
Goodie. More tacky, fugly creepycute prints from indie brands. Because clearly we need more of those.

>>6658880
I hate this design but I love that print. I just don't think it's good for lolita...

>>6658869
the HTT skirt would be a lot better if it was zip up and not a garter

>>6659300
>>6659293
>>6659291
agreed, I don't think it works for lolita at all.. the colors aren't right and it looks tacky and costumey. I'd wear it as a neat maid outfit though or obviously some kind of nurse!

>>6659346
If the elastic waist was only elastic in the back it would look much cuter TBH.

>>6658869
I like this Lady Sloth jsk!

>>6659409
here's another

>>6659421
And another

>>6659409
how is LS quality wise?

[mootgivecglspoilers] thats an OP [/plsmootweneedspoilers]

>>6659409
that bodice looks unflattering as fuck

>>6659409
I hate this color. Fuck, is there anyone who can look good on it?

>>6659459
I've heard mixed reviews. The quality of the work is always good, but the quality of the materials varies. Sometimes, she uses a strange jersey knit material apparently?

>>6659459
Her stitches are straight and there are no construction flaws, the fabric quality is so-so, but her items have a very unflattering cut in general and even with custom sizing it seems there's a lot of fitting issues, so many end up resold.

>>6659485
the sleeves look pretty awful as well

>>6659459
My 2 skirts from her were imperfect, but by no means bad. Slightly unstraight stitching in one area of a hem but no hanging threads or unfinished bits at all. Certainly worth what I paid.
The lace she uses isn't impressive so you may want to skip it.

I would definitely but from er again. Her pieces look much better in person than in her photos.

>>6659459
I just got a skirt from her in the mail today. It's a cotton printed skirt.

The good:
Even though it's printed on cotton, the image on it is very crisp in person. The colors might be a little more faded than if the skirt had been made in another material, but I'd say it's still good.

The sewing is good and neat. Straight lines on the seams, no crazy loose threads, etc.

The cotton outside is kind of stiff but the skirt is lined with softer material.

The bad:

She used tulle on the bottom of it, and I really dislike it because it's really stiff and scratchy. It was poking my legs so bad after I tried it on that I decided to put on some sweat pants.


It was a really cheap skirt though, which is what prompted me to buy it, so I think it's good overall. I'm sure her discounted pieces would probably be even better. I think she needs to take some better pictures of her items though. My skirt honestly looks better in person than in the images she has.

>>6659507
>>6659506
so, custom ordering isn't really that good? because I have a long torso and its pretty important that I get custom orders right..

>>6659525
Length wise I don't think you will have a problem, but basically proportion wise (if you are an extreme hourglass or have unusual features) it's no good.

>>6659490
i think it really depends on how you coord it but it's a weird pattern since its not a uniform pattern but a painting

>>6659554
Oh no, I thought it'd look good on darker skin but this girl is gorgeous and it's still very unflattering on her.

>>6659554
why do all black lolitas fail

>>6659569
Uh.. no?

>>6659569
Wha? That wig is way over the top, but everything else looks cute.

>>6659586
Agreed, really not seeing what's so supposedly "unflattering" about the dress?

>>6659596
I'm the anon who didn't like the color. Aaand that's pretty much everything I dislike on her outfit. I actually love the wig. Looks great on her.

>>6659596
because niggers

>>6659409
This would be SO MUCH prettier if the top half was a solid color. I look like something was spilled on it.

>>6659569

because your racist?

>>6659459
lol I fail at life, here's an actual jsk

>>6659731
another one too (I like the fabric)

>>6659742
do you think you could post the names of the brands of things that you are posting?

>>6659742
Oh wow, I like this! Who is it by?

>>6659742
This one I do like, but it looks pretty short.

>>6659134
>you... can't even see the lace..
>very obvious heart lace on the bottom of the skirt

>>6659578
>>6659696
>2013
>still getting trolled this hard

really guys, stop being morons

>>6659752
Sorry anon, I should make life easier for you... (there's also a handy tool called Google reverse image search if you really liked a dress)

>>6659731
Le Carrousel (Brazil)

>>6659742
Silversark (USA)

>>6659421
Narcissique (Spain)

>>6659429
StockingShock (UK)

And this one is Tricky Mint (Canada)

>>6659792
? You're sharing indie brand pictures and being too lazy to share the shop and telling people 'lol use google image search'??? How about lol don't be lazy when posting in an indie thread and post the designers too.

fucking retards tonight, jfc

>>6659808
Spaceship Lolita (France) [headdress]

>>6659833
Star Pirates (Germany)

>>6659808
>she goes through to name the brands of all posts ITT
>she also comments that if you see a dress and it's unlabeled, it's pretty easy to reverse image search it so you don't have to wait
>gets called a lazy retard

Well I'm glad she went out of her way for such a nice person

>>6659844
And somehow, she's the retard. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with this kind of people irl.

>>6659833
>Spaceship Lolita
This one is weird, the model is wearing the rouge aerie fabric. I guess you don't have to credit the original designer since she had it up on spoonflower. would just think indie designers would spread the love. that site is... interesting.

>>6659861
>>6659844
>>6659792
oh samefag, you so silly

>posting in indie brand thread
>not posting designer names in INDIE BRAND THREAD
>tells people to reverse image search instead

And I'm the asshole, riiiiight. Get the sand out of your twat lol

>>6659881
>people call you out on being a nasty bitch
>must be bitter samefags!
>still whining she didn't post designer names even after she went and posted all the designer names

Seriously you are maximum unpleasant.

Angel Rabbits (Japan) [not

>>6659884
diff anon- no, you're really just a complete moron
>not posting designer names in INDIE BRAND THREAD
about sums it up.

(but of course, i must be samefag too!)

>>6659837
This is the best design she has... and it's very... weird. Reminds me of F+F and how they have strange little things that just don't work on almost all their pieces
>>6659833
Not really a lot of lolita, this is more a fetish site?
>>6659792
The tricky Mint one is just... way too plain, these are skirts I can make myself. I don't see anything too appealing, the coords on the dummies are cute though
>>6659742
This one is Ok except it looks like you're wearing a Ouija baord. price is ok for such a simple design (though I'm not fond of any of her other designs, or the little jacket that comes with this one, and why is the zipper not zipped?). Skirt shape is really lovely
>>6659731
Not a fan. but I bet it appeals to other people.


Where are you getting all these? I haven't heard of about 2-3 of them. Though I don't really consider the Tricky Mint or Spaceship lolita or Star Pirates as indie. I don't think Star Pirates even has stock to sell?

Thanks for sharing though, wow!

>>6659881
>forgetting to put down the brand name
>gets called out, so won't do it in the future
Thanks, I've learned my lesson. Please add some pics to this thread too!

Angel Rabbits (Japan)

>>6659899
Can you answer where you're getting all these please?

>>6659899
Information on this. Links. Please. ><

>>6659893
I get really bored sometimes and go through etsy
>the horrors, oh the horrors of looking thru the stuff tagged lolita

Coruscate Unique (Indonesia)

>>6659914
ok... I am the person who called >>6659899 out about brand names...

She is now adding them to the pictures... now YOU don't be lazy and actually do a google search on the name... seriously people?

>>6659899
a lot of these are taaaacky wow

>>6659922
ok now this is awesome, checking their site now

>>6659914
here http://angel-rabbits.cocolog-nifty.com/

>>6659912
There's a link to Japanese indie brands on the lolita-indies LJ comm. I do like prints even though some you could easily make yourself.

Chocochip-Cookie (Japan)

>>6659920
Tried. Coudln't find it. :/

>>6659941
Chocochip is still around?

What is the damn indie comm just lolita-indies?

>>6659942
I gave it to you, it was a bit tricky after all

>>6659938
>>6659922
Heh, you keep picking the best dresses out of all of them! Ok, here's a contribution. New Rouge Aerie design! The back of the sailor collar has a neat bat scallop motif.

Dear Margaret (Korea)

>>6658880
I hate this for some reason.

>>6659951
Also new Snowfield print (on the left) looks really neat... in maybe a corny way? I think it's a bit more refined than kittens though... I can't wait to see JSK designs.

>>6659953
Love their stuff, feels a bit MMish?

>>6659792
Now, now. No need to be a cunt, anon.

>>6659953
>>6659959
Dear margaret has been around for a long time. I love a lot of their things. vierge-vampur Flower Honey (since Meal Time gets shared every thread but none of their other stuff)

>>6659958
Woah, are they doing a collab?

>>6659966
Here's another Korean one, Cruel Arcadia (but this one's out of print). Their new stuff is mostly black though.

La Vie En Rose (Korea)
>offers overseas shipping too
http://larose.ivyro.net

>>6659971
>The Snow Field is now officially a sister brand to Haenuli and will be working together on future projects.
Currently, both Haenuli & The Snow Field will be attending a variety of conventions in US, France and UK! Please come see us if you happen to be at one of these conventions!

Not just collab, fully integrated it seems! Here is the post http://egl.livejournal.com/19125605.html I really want to see that wolf one.

>>6659958
>how many lolis are cat crazy? or just 4chan?
I can't wait to see the photoshoot for that~ I do want the kitten one.

>>6659992
Well the Royal Kitten photos are out already and I think it's just an OP with these really neat scalloped sleeves.

This is kind of a noob question, but since we're on the subject of Haenuli, how much do her jsks usually go for? I've never ordered anything from her so I'm unfamiliar with the ordering process or how much she charges.

I know she hasn't started pre-orders Little Prince yet (and it won't be for awhile), but I'm really interested in it and was just looking for some input.
>pic related

>>6659999
around 240-250 i think??

>>6660003
Oh, that's not so bad. Thanks.

>>6659999
hmmm I would love this is if the bodice pieces weren't so miss matches and the straps and neckline weren't so plain? Just a bad combo with that Galaxy print because it's not like she can match the galaxy print in the princess seams due to the nature of the design, but it looks so... bad... like it is

>>6659999
Oh god. oh god. oh god. that dress.

fucking hell.

that dress.

The print looks fantastic. Can anyone speak of the quality of the fabric and the construction itself?

>>6660008
Yeah I don't like the bodice honestly, I'm hoping she does a skirt but if I do have to settle for the jsk I plan to just wear a cardigan over it.

Haenuli has other stuff on her website that's a bit more subdued too.

>>6660022
http://lucifer0kaelen.cafe24.com

>>6660008
I think if there were bows at least, or an applique or print like on Stained Glass at least, it'd be less 'empty', but I agree.

>>6660022
Beautiful! I think I'd be swimming in it, though..

>>6660009
It's not out yet...

other prints from them have been reviewed positively

>>6660031
Oh, that's good. I remember some issues in the past with other korean brands so I was worried about it.

I'm looking through the facebook and livejournal but I don't see anything about the little prince. Even >>6660024 link isn't showing up for me. Would anyone be so kind as to provide a direct url so I can refresh it obsessively from now on?

>>6660037
You need to watch their FB page. Haenuli is the FB page name. That is where that picture came from.

>>6660107
I JUST WANT THAT FUCKING KITTENS PRINT TO BE RELEASED FUCK

>>6660150
jesus clam down! SOON

>>6660175
Let me rage a little, geez

>>6659999
It's a stretch but does anyone know an estimated release date for this?

>>6660272
probably not for 3-4 months I'd say. it's after Royal kitten and who knows what the merge with Snow field will result in production times.

>>6660344
I don't think they're merging, like snow field stuff is still going to be made by them and haenuli stuff is going to be haenuli, I think they're just going to be teaming up sometimes.

>>6660344
Have to say, I don't really understand this merge. Seems like it'd be a bad business decision for Haenuli since she's been doing so well on her own?

>>6660359
Hope not..

>>6660359
>>6660372
not sure... but Snow Field is officially considered a sister brand and they are doing the convention tour together. At least that's what the post says. Pulling from their FB:

> pre sale skirts are made in Korea 100% but future release ones will be made in US(fabric will be import from Korea though). I can't sew fast enough for mass orders I'm looking for sewing studios

>Thank you! Haenuli and I were good friend for years, We know each others style very well. so it's easy to work each other

>We had very short time to work before Momocon so for Momocon I have only skirt version of both kitten and wolves.

Last one makes it seem like Snow Field sewed the kitten skirts for Momocon...?

>>6660398
Wait so is Snow Field like.. the official distributor for Haenuli in the states now? If so, wonder how that'll effect American customers buying future releases..

>>6660414
I really don't know, the english isn't great so something is probably lost in translation?

I feel fucking retarded. I've tried a reverse image search and google...where the hell can I buy that star pirates dress? Or at least a website...

>>6660507
like I said before I don't think it's for sale... reverse image search the image link and it's the second result... the blog...

>>6660507
>>6660514
'shine like a bright star' or something

>>6660507
Ok I actually poked around more and found the store. here http://starpirates.jimdo.com/shop%2Fprodukte%2Funicorn-silhouette-1/#cc-m-product-7216068284 lol 220€

>>6660507
I don't even know how I found that shop... but it's like €220
http://www.starpirates.de

>Fly Away Fashion (Netherlands)
http://www.flyawayfashion.com/

>>6660527
Elegy (USA)

>>6660514
Thanks!

>>6660529
>mossbadger (USA)
I'm including this only because of dat painting!

>>6660529
Ugh I wanted this dress in blue or purple so bad until I looked closely at it and saw the huge patches where the ink didn't take. That being said, does anyone know where I can find a dress with some sort of bug/spider motif that doesn't look like it came from a Halloween store?

AlphaDregs on Etsy. Some of their stuff is questionable, but I really like this one!

>>6659742
I like the fabric, but the bodice looks too short.

>>6659922
I actually really like this one.

>>6659951
wow it's gorgeous! the construction looks really great.

>>6659999
what a hideous print and plain design. I know I'm probably the only one, but I felt the same way about stained glass, too.

>>6660691
I felt that way about stained glass, but I like the little prince one better because it's like...so hideous and random that it's awesome again. Same with royal kitten.

>>6659742
This one is well done, but I really don't see myself hanging around with
>HYDRAULIC Lime Deposit PLASTER, CEMENT Bricks, Tiles
written on my chest.

>>6660691
>what a hideous print and plain design. I know I'm probably the only one, but I felt the same way about stained glass, too.

Granted, the design itself is still a work in progress but I really like the print itself. So many beautiful colors.

>>6658869
This would be better as a rectangle skirt. The tier just interrupts the gradient print and it looks blocky and wrong.

>>6660768
Agreed. I think that's one of the things that bothers me about a lot of indie prints. Some are really good at thinking how the print will work with the construction, but most just don't plan that far in advance. the structure and the print need to complement each other.

Also, why do so many use spoonflower and insist on printing black? It never looks good. Use any other color, please.

>>6659999
SWEET SPACE DRESS YOU WILL BE MINE

>>6658880
i need this so i can pretend to be nurse witch komugi

>>6660550
So-so on the bodice, but HOLY SHIT the pleating and printing on that skirt - gorgeous!

>>6660009
That particular print is not out yet like another anon said, but I have one of her other prints and the quality is great. Only thing I don't like is satin ribbons instead of silk or cotton, but that's a weird personal thing and nothing against Haenuli. Fit is perfect for tall Lolitas because the bodice runs a bit long.

>>6660527
I love that fabric. I'm going to have to order myself some, someday.

>>6660563
Are you the anon from the other thread? How long have you been looking? Have you thought about commissioning one?

I think this is one of the most beautiful dresses ever.
By 4 O' Clock (on facebook)

I think this is one of the most beautiful dresses ever.
By 4 O' Clock (on facebook)

Sleipner series by Ergi

>>6661061
leipner series by Ergi

>>6660550
where the hell is their website. I can only see info about them as guests to conventions.

>>6661061
bad border print drawing
jewels out of place/look like candy

good as a one-off kind of thing but to be massproduced/made to order, no

>>6661061
It's a nice idea but it looks kind of off in practice. I think because the print looks a bit... sharp? Clip-art? I'm not quite sure how to say.

>>6661090
I think it looks like they had the idea, and then drew what they thought it should look like, and just went with that. It doesn't look like it's gone through a development process. It's the kind of thing that if I were to do it for a college project, that would be among my initial samples, but I'd work on it much more before making it into a garment.

I agree about the clip-art thing. The graphical quality doesn't really suit the subject. It's a nice idea, but it needs more refining.

>>6661062

I like the runa, but not the sleipnir print, without those it would have been much better, I probably would have bought it.

>>6661066
The website is mossbadger.com. Funny how that works.

>>6660856
I actually like the pintucking on the bodice now that I see it in a closeup.

>>6661137
oh shit nigga that is beautiful

Vierge Vampur (Japan)
>dead lolita at the crime scene
>WHICH ONE OF YOU DID IT?! WAS SHE TOO FRILLY FOR YOU?!

>>6660507

You can visit our facebook site just type starpirates into the searchfield. If you have any questions just ask.

>>6661361
Have you actually sold any of your jsks.

>>6660525
Well about the price i don't know where you from. If you're from the US i can understand you because of the exchange rate. But our goal is too offer high quality clothes with the best fabrics we can get. We don't buy cheap fabrics or laces and the unicorn is handpainted. Next thing, we have to pay taxes. Prices are always hard to calculate.

>>6661392
Hand painted seems like amateur work... It appears you've fallen into the classic 'I don't know how to run a business' indie designer pitfall. I assume you don't contract out any of the work? I've also never see you market anywhere... where are you marketing your work? Or is this a hobby instead of a career for you? If that's the case I can understand the above points being neglected.

I didn't take much of a look around the FB but what is your tailoring background? Did you go to school?

Disappointing that Snow Field doesn't do custom sizing...

>>6661143
Me. Sorry, I just hate lace monsters, couldn't help it.

>>6659569
This
>>6659696
And dipshit, it's not being racist to prefer one race over another. I think skinny petite Asian girls look best in lolita. That's not a "racist" issue at all. Learn the fucking difference.

Also, IMO the only black girls who look good are the thin skinny ones, who were posted >>6659578 as well. Unfortunately, most black girls are big and fat in real life, hence why they look so ugly.

Fat girls just fail.

>>6661426
Wow you sound unpleasant rolling right into bitchfit valley.
Does it always sound like you're chewing your own face when you type?

>>6661426
<---------/b/

>>6661426

>>6661426
lol do you even know what racist means?

>most black girls are big and fat

^

>>6661426
>I'M NOT RACIST!
>quotes and agrees with blanket statement that all black lolitas fail
>tries to backpedal saying they like the thin black lolita
>BUT MOST BLACK PEOPLE ARE FAT

>I'M NOT RACIST GUYS, I'M JUST MAKING A NEGATIVE JUDGEMENT OF AN ENTIRE RACE BASED ON STEREOTYPES OF THAT RACE, GAWD

>>6661061
I really do like this dress but she's just asking way too much money for it. At £100 I'd get it and at £150 I might be still tempted but £200 is just way too much for what the construction and the material quality looks like.

>>6661455
What are you talking about? It's about £167

>>6661469
It's just over £200 with VAT (2000SEK)

>One Night Dream (Brazil)
This shop seems to do replicas or heavily inspired by prints (as this is a modified Innocent World print) but I do love the violin in contrast with red.

>>6661983
Just because its a violin doesn't mean its A modified IW print..

>>6660653
That's kinda disgusting.

>>6661061
It kinda looks like drapery...

>>6662063
I like the print/cut but the weird dark tone is really throwing me off..

>>6659999
I guess this would be okay with a shrug, but jesus the bodice.

>>6662083
she did say it's not complete yet, so maybe she will change the bodice

>>6660008
I think this one is an unfinished prototype which is why it looks so wonky. However I agree the bodice being in the same print is overkill and will look weird no matter what. I think a solid color bodice would look a lot better since the skirt is so busy.

>>6661414
She does to a small extent. I ordered the library skirt and vest and while I picked from s, m, and l, I did also tell her my specific measurements so she'd make it to exactly fit me.

Trying to think of other handmade I've seen on the comm.
This was the rider jacket I remember being mentioned in that one girls wardrobe post. She linked her etsy in response to some comments. the etsy has a jsk but it says it's "lolita inspired" so I'm not sure if that's typical of her stuff or not. Or if she's even considered a lolita designer?
Pic related
The other stuff I've seen was it Miscry? Does she still do handmade? I wanted a blouse by her...

>>6661994
hmmm, yeah it doesn't always mean that but the placing of the violin on the print matches a jsk on Hello Lace? The other stuff in their shop seems to go off print styles like the trump card theme, chess, etc.

>>6662209
could be a public domain image?

Same anon as >>6662202. Is this list up to date?
http://egl.livejournal.com/18294424.html

>>6662202
Do you mean miscy?

>>6662214
yes! That's her. Does she still sell?

>>6662217
I believe so, I've seen her make selling posts on the commsales. She also sells on etsy, same name.

>>6662202
Who made this, it's beautiful.

What would you guys suggest as a reasonable price for skirts and headbows? I'm not looking to open a strictly indie lolita shop per-se. The shop I'm setting up is focused on wearable things that I've illustrated, so accessories, tights, and other items. I've been sewing for about 12 years (I'm by no means professional but I compete in master level craftsmanship if that counts for anything). I'm considering making some prints of various styles with my artwork and just making a few free-size skirts (like Meta's fully-shirred skirts). Spoonflower costs about $20 per yard, plus there's the cost of trim/notions and time invested. I want to try to make things that look really nice and are well constructed but I'm worried that $100 for a skirt would be asking too much, and it wouldn't even be worth my time since I'd only be making about $20-30 of it. I suppose it depends on the print and craftsmanship quality. Opinions?

>>6662202
I found her etsy based on her wardrobe post but I don't think she strictly a lolita designer? Here's the etsy http://www.etsy.com/shop/AmyMarieCouture

>>6662228
Meant to respond to >>6662222

>>6662226
I think I depends on the quality of the work. I have no problem paying for good quality. Thing is that spoonflower fabric is iffy sometimes. I like the fabric that baroque uses a lot though. Haenuli too.

>>6662221
didn't see this post. Thank you! I didn't see her on the egl list so I wasn't sure!

>>6662226
Ok you need to ask yourself if this is going to be a career or not. If it is, you're going to have to deal with losing money for the first two years while you build your customer base up.

If it's going to be a hobby... take REALLY nice pictures and marketing the fuck out of yourself.

in both instances, look into investing in contracting the work. Costume sewing and actual garment construction are completely... completely different (think about how this is an item that has to survive every day wear instead of a costume worn maybe 1-3 times a year for a couple hours each time). Most cosplayers I know don't even know what type of thread to use for different aspects of a garment or even what brand to buy for quality (Metrosene Plus is my go to).

I would pay 75-150 for a nice skirt, no problem. But it has to be worth it... where are you going to get your fabric and notions? obviously not jo-anns/hancock.

>>6659731
Oh god this looks like a tacky replica of Angelic Pretty Bunny chan.

>>6662245
>>6662226
For example http://www.etsy.com/listing/122664286/cute-pleated-riding-jacket? for this riding jacket... charging 220 and it does not even FIT her (look at the pulling on the button holes along the front...)

I don't understand how these people manage to fumble through garment construction without know basic, elementary lessons.

>>6662228
She is in my comm. She is not strictly a Lolita designer but I think she went to school for fashion so she's more "designery" than some of the other people mentioned in the thread even if her stuff is not as Lolita. I think "inspired" makes sense for that jumperskirt in her etsy - you couldn't really wear it in a Lolita coord. I don't think she has been a Lolita for long (though she looks just fine at meetups so that is not meant to be a putdown at all, I think she knows what she's doing but maybe isn't exclusively interested in the style). That riding coat would be amazing in a Lolita coord though.

>>6662245
but then HTT can sell one skirt that's not so well constructed for 100USD and Vitae can sell those shitty Mario prints for even more. Sometimes prints talk, sadly.

>>6662256
HTT sells her skirts for 75 bucks and yes. Prints speak to people. Also... there is a magic number that if you stay under it... people will buy it if you're in the right niche (I don't consider HTT lolita at all). Vitae is a business that markets itself very well and obviously has investors backing them up so even if they lose money they can still churn out 'trendy' prints (they also contract their sewing). So like I said, look into investors and contracting the work if you want to make a career out of it.

>>6662256
>>6662259
actually HTT sells for 68 on most of these skirts, and you have to take into account these are not taking up the same amount of fabric as a lolita skirt either.

>>6662253
oh okay thank you! I hope she does more lolita items then maybe one day.
At least she's actually a lolita based on her egl wardrobe post from what i can see. and she knows about fashion then. not just a newbie wannabe designer

>>6662261
oh well then why the are people selling them second hand for more then?
But yes prints speak is my point. I didn't know Vitae contracted their sewing?!

>>6662226
It's not worth it. Maybe people on here will say they'll buy stuff, but if you're not a recognized name, people won't pay $100 for a skirt, especially not an elastic waist one that anyone can make. Lolitas are cheap as fuck when it's not brand. For a while I tried selling half-elasic and full elastic skirts with a hair accessory of your choice, but whenever I put the price above $60 I couldn't sell. (That was like 4 years ago. Who knows, maybe people have stopped being stingy, but since people have started using taobao I bet they're stingier than ever.)

>>6662254
>went to Columbia
That explains it.

>>6662226
Your main competition right now is Lady Sloth. She's making standard skirts for like $40 a pop. I think if you can get your hands on fabric similar to hers (like her JetJ-eque painting fabrics) but for cheaper you could probably compete, since that look is really really popular right now

>>6662264
yep, Vitae, WAMH and that Clockwork Rose whatever Joke of a brand all contract the same factory.

>>6662273
Um, I buy plenty of indie for brand prices... it sounds like your work wasn't worth 60 bucks or wasn't unique or you did a piss poor job marketing. Do you have examples to show us?

>>6662273
>but since people have started using taobao I bet they're stingier than ever.

Absolutely. Why pay 100+ for a mediocre local piece when you can get amazing taobao designs for that or less?

>>6662284
>>6662226
Lady sloth is such a great example... Good marketing, sold for cheapo at first, fabric is found/repurposed/NOT CUSTOM (this is the main point, it's not custom) and her mother does the sewing (she does not). And now you notice her prices are inching up on JSKs and what not and people are still snatching that shit up.

>>6662291
Just a side note to what you said, she still sells pieces made from non-specialty fabrics for cheap, and her plain non-printed pieces are still very cheap, her commission rates are great

>>6662262
I didn't express myself well but that is what I meant - that she is someone who learned fashion for reasons besides Lolita even though she wears Lolita. (Which is somewhat assumption since I don't know her super well - she seems nice though and the one thing I've seen in person that she made looked well made.) But anyway I think that makes a difference because a lot of "indie brands" just make the same simple jumper skirt shapes because they only learned how to sew to make Lolita. I hope that makes sense, I have been drinking :)

baroque (korea)

This is gorgeous!

Forgot to mention, by Cloudberry Lady.

>>6662506
The thing with Korean indie brands is that they know how to take pictures with pretty models. Sometimes that's all it takes to encourage someone to buy your stuff... I remember going to a smaller con with local designers and a pretty basic print skirt was $25, but when I looked on their website, the photos were taken in bad lighting, busy background, and didn't have a ton of updates on their blog or fb page.

I would love to see more classic floral skirts or jsks from indie brands!

>Belladonna (USA)
Used to be Atelier Enchanteur? Rebranding is such a pain... What do you guys think of the lace on it?

>>6663066
The lace I don't mind, it's that country sampler polkadot fabric... ergh.

And whenever I hear of anything rebranding themselves, I'm wary- can't be for any good reason.

>>6661061
Getting this with the brooches, without the beads. Extremely excited, I love vikings.

>>6662245
It wouldn't be a career. I have a good job right now, and it's something I do on the side for extra money and more for a hobby. Namely I'm looking into doing artist alley tables with an online shop. The main deal is that I'd be making original prints from my own art. So the price would namely be for the print, not so much for the fact it's a plain old normal skirt.

I figured skirts would be easy to start with, to at least build up a name, and then expand from there into offering jumperskirts and what not.

I was planning on starting out by doing a few skirts of a print (3-5), and putting them up for sale, not so much in doing straight up commissions. I work a full-time job as well as a part time job that I do from home. I don't have tons of free time to work on them. So pre-making them seems like the best option for me, that way there's no waiting period and they're ready to ship when ordered.

As far as laces go, I'm considering some TaoBao shops (laces.taobao, etc), rather than going to Joanns or wherever. I'm pretty picky about lace quality.

At any rate, here's a sketch of one of the prints I'm working on (it's come along further than the sketch but I'm not comfortable posting what I have done yet). I was considering submitting it to Oojia's print contest (you might've seen it in one of those threads). But I decided it would be better just to do it myself.

Maybe I'll offer the fabric up on Spoonflower for periods of time too like some others do.

>>6663474
I LOVE THIS. If you made it, I would buy it in every color!

>>6663474

That is really cute, you are definitely talented.

>>6663474
The cuddling dolphins make me want this print so badly.

>>6659742
where is this dress from?
Reverse image search pulled up nothing.

>>6664563
Silversark... it's in the replies.

>>6663474
D'aww is that an octopus?
I'd buy that so fast.

>>6659554
not fond of her wig...but the wig obscures so much of the dress and the lighting is so poor I can't really tell if it looks bad. Looks fine

>>6663474
D'awwwh, that's such a lovely print. Your business plan seems pretty sound, too. If your main selling point is the fabric, and you're not planning on spending lots of time on construction, you might want to consider options for printing other than Spoonflower, though. If you have the fabric up on Spoonflower, and you're making fairly plainly structured skirts, quite a large chunk of your potential customers are more likely to just buy the fabric rather than the skirts you've made. Look into getting it done with a private company - it'll be a bit more expensive, but the fabric quality will be better, the print will be sharper and probably won't fade as much (may well be machine washable, which is always good). They also tend to do bulk discounts, and have support staff to help you with the process, and check your print before and after it's printed, and nobody else will be able to make the product.

Just out of interest, are you primarily and artist or a textile designer?

>>6661366
Yes, we sold jsks and skirts we produced.

>>6661400
At the moment it's a hobby. We are working on a career. But at the moment it is impossible because both of us
work full time. So we just have our free time and the weekend to work. I wouldn't say hand painted/printed is amateur work. It takes a lot of practice to be perfect. And it is easier to offer customization. And customization is the next point, we don't offer massproduced clothes if anybody wants another lace, fabric color or another skirt lenght, we can handle it. We started our business last year, so we can't fall into a designer pitfall. But thanks for your criticism.

>>6661061
i'm a little bothered that on the skirt, the horse and rider look to be off center from the main line through the bodice. it's a minor thing but i noticed it right away and it would bother me to wear it like that.

>>6661137
they have tight control on their seamwork, sure, but i wish they'd gone with even a different colored bodice. the black is so strong and out of place that i think it makes the skirt print look washed out. even a similar blue to the background of the painting would have been better.

>>6666037
Hmm, like you've sold the Unicorn one and the Red one on your shop? That's what I mean.

>>6666256
We officially started the new shop two weeks ago and since then we offer those jsks. We had several requests but not a sale yet. Maybe the price is the reason. But we can't produce it for less due to the high material cost. Maybe we could get some feedback that would help us alot.

>Eat me Ink me (USA)

>>6666381
>English Charm (USA)
They have a lot of good custom sized blouses too.

>>6666394
>Il Sangue (USA)

>>6666302
Well the unicorn one looks just like a hot mess to me. So for me, the design is just, NOT my style and the unicorn applique/whatever looks tacky. I just really don't like the look of the dress, it looks too ruffly and just would be really hard (for me obviously) to pull off. The red JSK is photographed badly and looks wrinkled and is hanging really weird on the dummy which already makes me not want to buy it.

And I know you are in europe, but I've never even seen you advertise on the FB comms or egl at all (both international communities) so I had no idea you existed... now if you are doing enough business that you don't want to market yourself more and stretch yourself too thin, I get that. However if you're not, you really need to market yourself more I think.

Also, are you sewing everything? I think you need to consider contracting the work in the future if you start getting more orders, this is how other bigger indie brands keep up the supply.

>>6666405
>So for me, the design is just, NOT my style and the unicorn applique/whatever looks tacky. I just really don't like the look of the dress, it looks too ruffly and just would be really hard (for me obviously) to pull off.

Uh... since when did every brand in the world need to cater to *your* style and needs?

Anyone thinking of entering the Lady Sloth contest that's going on?

>>6666413
>I don't know how opinions work! :D

>>6666432
Yeah, but you're not saying it as an opinion. Your entire post comes off as
>this is what you HAVE to do

Construction issues, advertising, all that- fine enough, but saying that something isn't your taste is irrelevant.

>>6666413
Uh... since when people can't have opinions?

>>6666443
Learn to read. I never said you can't have an opinion- I said telling a designer their things aren't to your taste, therefore they should change them, is stupid (unlike construction issues).

>>6666430
On the topic of Lady Sloth, I wonder how many things that she actually has sold since FB and commissions don't have a visible tracking system like on Etsy. Like for indie designers, word of mouth might be good enough for sales.

>or talk about beastiality with dat swan

>>6666453
>>6666442
>>6666413
Hi, the designer asked for feedback. I provided feedback as a customer browsing the site. I even prefaced my opinion of the unicorn dress as my own opinion (and saying things like 'for me obviously').

She asked why the dress isn't selling stating 'maybe the price is the issue' and then asked for feedback. I provided feedback as a potential customer on viewing the dress. I did not say to change the dress or take it down. I simply gave my opinion based on what I thought first viewing the dress and why I would not buy it. Which is exactly what the designer asked for.

Obviously she knows (or I would hope she does) that one opinion is not right or wrong and she's just looking for feedback, which I offered. Now lets here some more feedback to help her out? Because I know my opinion isn't 100% shared by everyone in this threa.d.. someone else posted above asking where they could buy the unicorn jsk. But it doesn't look like it sold, so what are the other reasons it's not selling even to people who admitted liking it? I'm sure that would also be great feedback for the designer.

This is also the first time I have responded to you fyi, the other anon is not me.

>>6666493
I also hope the other feedback I provided (photography, marketing, contracting work) hasn't been overshadowed by my dislike of the unicorn jsk's look, because I think the other feedback is more important for her.

>>6666115
It's probably because the Juliette et Justine painting dresses have black bodices.

Clara Maeda

>>6666459

She's doing very well right now because she's starting to have to decline orders. I'm guessing she stops around the 20/25 order limit.

Icing Sugar (UK)

>>6661058
Oh my god that's the most beautiful fucking thing I've ever seen. I am actually tearing up a little bit.

Le Flacon (China)

>>6667680
I agree. If I ever get married I'm commissioning her to do that shit

Cloudberry Lady

>>6661062
>>6661061
Why do so many indie brands fuck up the skirt part? They always have a weird shape and aren't full enough...

>>6667797
because it takes lots of fabric, which costs money

>>6665657
I'm primarily the artist, but I can sew. I've done cosplay for about 11 years and I compete in master division (though I don't compete anymore as all the conventions I attend now are ones I staff, and I pretty much left cosplay for Lolita). But I'm pretty confident with my construction. I'm not an expert, professionally trained seamstress, and I think my prices would reflect that, so the bigger selling point would be the print. I'd love to get this print done with shiny gold detailing like some of AP's pieces though. Hnnngg. I'll have to look into that.

>>6668079
I'm not doubting your sewing, don't worry. I'm just saying; if your construction is simple, you need high quality fabric, and don't make your fabric readily available at the same prices you get it by putting it on Spoonflower.

Whilst shiny gold print is lovely, it has to be done by hand, a metre at a time, with either metallic binder or foil, both of which are going to cost you quite a lot of money. You can do it yourself, but you'll want to get a screen exposed, which for a metre long screen you're looking at around £600, and it's likely to block up if you use it a lot or forget to wash it out properly. You can cut stencils out of paper or kodatrace, but if you're making a lot of fabric, you don't really want to be doing that. It's also hard to screen print over digital print, because the fabric will warp and it's very hard to line the design up.

I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything, just giving you some things to think about. It can be hard for artists to jump straight into textiles without much training in it.

>>6668079
like I said before, costume sewing is NOT garment sewing. Just be aware of that.

>>6668119
Ah okay thanks. I was wondering about how the gold printing was done. It might be out of the question. I wasn't aware it was screen printed.

If I did decide to put it on spoonflower, it would be for a limited amount of time, sort of how Rouge Aerie did it. It would be an option if I'm just not able to make tons of them to sell and it's in high demand. But I'll see what happens.

>>6668124
It's not, but there is an overlap depending on what you're making. When I learned to sew, I was taught not to just wing it and make it look like it's supposed to from the outside. Instead, to make it presentable as a realistic, believable garment. There is overlap when it comes to materials and technique. The difference with costumes and what is considered costume, is something that is to be worn a few times and thrown away. Very little time put into detail. But when you are competing, it's those details and attention that make you go from "meh" to winning awards, especially when there are several in your division competing. I found that competing and working hard on craftsmanship has made me look at different methods than just running things quickly through a sewing machine on a basic stitch on broadcloth without considering linings, facings, special techniques, what sort of seams and hems to use, and just calling it a day.

>>6668191
Yeah, you can't put metal dust in a digital printer, it'll jam too much.

Ah, like, put it up after you've made all you're going to make? Yeah, I can see that. But then, people might know you'd do that next time, and wait for the fabric to go up instead of buying what you've made. It's up to you as to whether you want loads of people using your print and you not getting a lot for it.

Also, I think anon was referring to durability issues. You can do as much fancy stitching as you like, win an award for it, and then it might fall apart the next day, which is what a lot of costumes tend to do. Of course, you may well have that all covered already, but I think that's the point anon was trying to make.

>>6668220
Yeah that's a good point to consider.

I've never had issues with anything I've made falling apart (except for maybe the first few things I made as a beginner), but every piece I've made from 2005 onwards still holds up. I would make things to wear mulitple times for several years, and I'd machine launder them (when possible) with no problems. If I hadn't lost like 50+lbs I could still wear them.

>Menthe Chocolat (France)
I like cute prints... sew me!

>Princess Pearl (USA)

>>6668318
>sue me!
fix'd that for you, darling. Also, thanks for posting all these indie brands, you're the sweetest.

>>6662202
I'm still alive! I'm currently finishing up a patternmaking certification and working at a bridal atelier so I don't have much time for making loli these days, but I do put things in my etsy shop when I find some time. I will be at momocon with Snowfield, and I do take about 1 commission a month if my schedule is free enough. I'll be adding new denim circle skirts to the shop sometimes this next week based off this same skirt, but without the suspender buttons (can be added for a fee). Other than that I may add a blouse or two to the shop soon, including this years version of my lace summer breeze cut-sews.

>>6668360
>tries to be condescending
>missing the super fucking obvious pun

oh lolis

>>6668360
I think it was meant to be a pun.

>>6661058
Wow, she is super talented. New dream dress? New dream dress.

>>6668380
I need skirts like thiiiiisssss, please link me to your shop?

>>6661058
Jesus Christ

>>6668380
Mmm delicious plain, dark skirt with buttons.

>>6668408
miscy.etsy.com :) I will be posting updates to my tumblr (http://miscyetsy.tumblr.com/)) ahead of putting them in my shop as I will be taking everything to momocon to see what sells.

The Sleeping Princess (Chile)

Lusty'n Wonderland (France)

>>6668515
WAT
WAT WAT
WAT WAT WAT WAT
I have a skirt that looks exactly like that, but I bought it 4 years ago to a lolita seamstress from my city.
Isn't that like plagiarism or something?

mossbadger (US)
Thinking of selling this though. Paid over $200 because she hand appliqued and screenprinted this herself

>>6668647
That print was commercially available, and given that it had scallops printed on it, it is pretty much guaranteed that the designer is going to use that in their design. You can't just have a scallop hem skirt with nothing under it, it looks choppy and unfinished so pretty much everyone who used that fabric had some sort of floating ruffled under the scallops. Hardly plagiarism. Several taobao companies and loli seamstresses have used this fabric with pretty much the same design.

>>6668688
on another note... that is a friggin terrible looking waistband on the one pictured. I hope yours looked a little tidier than that.

>>6668647
It is commercially available fabric. Anyone can use it. The scallops are already in the fabric. Adding a white under-frill is a no-brainer.
So, no. It isn't plagiarism

>>6668647
The shop used a lot of Japanese print fabrics too. A problem with importing fabric is the higher cost margin, which might be risky if there isn't an established customer base already. I think one of Lady Sloth's prints was used in a Taobao shop before?

>>6668280
Eh, you'll be fine then. I think it depends on your attitude to sewing. When I make costumes, I make them as clothes, whereas some people make them just as costumes. You seem to have everything covered. Good luck, anon!

Princess Doll (Japan)

>>6666493
>>6666505
Thank you for your feedback so far. Some points you mentioned are really helpfull. And i know well that you can't match everybodys taste. Especially in fashion.

Well what else, someone mentioned the unicorn looks tacky. Could you explain why it does? Or is it because you know it's handprinted? If the unicorn had more details and would printed on fabric would that be better?

At the moment, every feedback is helpfull and i take it serious.

>>6670301
I'm not any of the anons above but here's my take.
The unicorn looks out of place, like it's slapped on for the sake of it. I think I would prefer that dress design without the unicorn print.

For the print itself, it looks like it is cheaply printed on...I don't know the technical printing terms sorry but you should look at how brands, indie or japanese, create their prints. in lolita, printed matter should look more sophisticated, detailed, and currently yours looks like it belongs on a very...casual t-shirt, if i must say.

>>6670729

>>6670728

>>6670730

>>6670732
et cetera.

>>6670301
i agree that the unicorn looks tacky. it's obviously drawn by someone that's not very familiar with horse/unicorn anatomy and thus looks amateur. details and some attention to anatomy would make a world of difference

>>6670301
Also not an anon from above, but re the unicorn printing method; you'll want to get a screen exposed in future rather than painting it on by hand. It'll allow you to produce a lot of prints very quickly, and because the pigment goes on through a fine mesh, it's even and gives a better finish. The layers will also be slightly thinner, so it won't look as 't-shirty'. You have to be aware though that pigment binder is always going to look a little off in such a large block.

What kind of fabric are you using? To me it looks like silk, which requires much more sophisticated printing methods. The way binder works is that it sits on top of the fabric, rather than being absorbed by it, so the fabric looks/feels plastic-y where the print is. (This is also why you can't dry-clean pigment prints such as Puppet Circus). You should consider either changing your printing method or changing the fabric you're printing on so that the print and the fabric go together a little better.

Well, that's my take on it, anyway.

>>6662246
The shop also does replicas (a section on their blog for with inspiration pics). They take really good stock pictures for an indie brand though.

>>6671500
>dat rose waistband
oh my god all of my want

>>6670729
Does anyone have this in their possession yet? I'm curious to know about the quality

hoping this bby ain't in autosage yet

>>6678545
Would this work for guro lolita? (Lusty'n Wonderland)

>>6680070
Is this a trick question...?

tfw Haenuli's Royal Kittens print and The Snow Field's Librarian print is available at a con across the country...

>>6680098
What do you even mean? (For one thing you did a tfw with no face - this is an image board, you know.)

>>6680763

Some people use "tfw" to mean "that feel when".

>>6680768
Is there another thing people use it to mean?

>>6680795
>their face when
>that feel when

>>6680814
Never heard someone mean it as "their face when," unless it's contextually explicit I would not assume that.

>>6680795

I think it can mean either "that feel when" or "the face when". I usually use mfw if I'm referring to a face though.

Testing~

>>6680939
>>6680814
>>6680817
>>6680795
>>6680768
I always thought it was 'This face when' ... but it's been a thing for a long time to saw mfw or tfw and no image... it's just... a thing...

>>6681070

mfw = my face when
tfw = that feel when

Has everyone around me been doing it wrong this whole time

>>6681075
I always thought it was this face when...

>>6681087
No.

>>6681131
it is basically interchangeable without losing meaning anyway so I'll just keep thinking of it that way.

>>6681143
ANYWAY my point was I still don't know what they mean.

That feel/face when... what feel/face? Happy? Sad? Jealous? It was a weird statement.

>>6681517
you must be new here...

>>6681520
How am I new? Why does it matter that the prints are available at a con across the country? They said they will be releasing them soon. It's not like that's the only chance to get them.

>>6681529
>how am I new
>doesn't know the feels of tfw

>>6681554
You can greentext all day and it still doesn't solve the fact that it makes no sense for them to have feels at all.

>>6681567
anon stop you are embarassing yourself