/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>/cgl/ has become a kind of cancer, but it doesn’t have to be.

>implying gossip doesn't happen everyday, to complete normalfags, 24/7 and without fail
>implying it ever has and ever will stop

When will snowflakes get over themselves? I'm very curious.

>Boohoo! People say mean things on the internet! Why can't we all be best friends and say nice things all the time!

Agree with other anons. Gossiping happens whether it is anonymous people or not. Is it pretty? No. And cgl has gotten calmer and there hasn't been any nasty threads after the rosaire incident and things were quiet before that drama came up.

>>6660418
Pretty much.

>I'm a newfag and you hurt my feelings!

It's fucking 4chan, what did you expect?

I think it's a better personal trait to develop to know when to let things go and when to take things seriously. Instead of telling other people how they should behave, which almost never works anyway.
You can't control what other people do, but you can be responsible for your actions and how you choose to feel about them. Having a victim complex and an air of misandry is not healthy.

I like her coords, but that's about it. I dont' see her post much anyways. Is she even e-famous enough for people to hate on her?

wowwwwwwwwww. after throwing her fit on cgl, she wrote an essay about it.

>>6660431
No, but she got bashed here for her wardrobe post. Some seagulls had a few complains and then she whiteknighted herself and made herself look like a fool.

>>6660430
>*misanthropy
My bad.

Why are some of the most well dressed Lolitas such idiots?

>>6660440
http://egl.livejournal.com/19051080.html

>>6660434
Which wardrobe was it?

>>6660435
because well-dressed=/=smart

>>6660434
To be fair, the complaints about her post were really fucking stupid. That said, her coming on here was also really fucking stupid, and so is this post, so yeah she basically accomplished nothing but making herself look bad.

I understand where the poster is coming from but she needs to be realistic. In a place where anonymous posting is allowed, it is only natural that people will say nasty things that they cannot say otherwise.
I admit that I have said things that weren't exactly nice and it made me feel better. When I'm saying something mean, I don't think about how I'd feel if I were in the other person's shoes because that's how things like gossiping work. For the most part, you do it to make yourself feel better.

>>6660436
Damn, I was just about to keep reading for the misandry.

>>6660449
I do it just to let things I'm thinking off my chest.
Not sure if that counts as making me feel better, but it does feel funny to call people out for the dumb things they do. It's entertaining.

I just think the OP is wrong about it being just cgl though.
Different boards gossip and bitch about things too, they just bitch about different things.

>>6660443

She has a nice wardrobe. Sometimes I don't know why people bother posting these as they seem to get so much drama after. (Especially if you have a really great wardrobe and people get jelly).

>>6660443
Is there a TL;DR about what people were complaining about?
I don't see anything really bad about her wardrobe, at least nothing significant enough to bring up. She could have organized things better but meh.

>>6660466
"people were mean to me and my friends"

I'll never understand why people care so much about what people on /cgl/ say about them. For all they know it could just be one person posting over and over and over. Worry about the real world, not the internet one.

>>6660466
If I'm recalling it correctly, it was basically people not liking things being laid out on the bed? Does anyone else recall exactly?

>>6660466
someone didn't like that she grouped her dresses which made some dresses get cut off in the picture. i loled when she likened herself to sassystrawberry because the only person who gets to sassystrawberry's awesome wardrobe is herajika.

If this bitch ever finds /pol/ she is going to LOSE IT.

>I don’t like that it’s used to post pictures of my friends and others, and on rare occasion, myself, and attach judgments on them. I don’t like that I’ve seen hurtful lies spread about people I know on there. I don’t like that for some sick and bizarre reason, some get into an ever-escalating cyber bullying streak (seeking peer-approval perhaps, and to lessen the status of those they think are unmerited). And they go and find and publicly post my friends’ personal information to be viewed by countless numbers, to be archived, etc.

ngl I agree with her.

>>6660480
>And they go and find and publicly post my friends’ personal information to be viewed by countless numbers, to be archived, etc.

If they find any type of personal information it's obviously because it's posted publicly for people to view and access somewhere.
The solution? Don't do this in the first place.

The namecalling I don't think is very avoidable, but if there's ONE thing that's avoidable, it's posting your private information publicly.

>>6660488
i agree and disagree with you. on the one hand, if someone wants to keep something a secret, they shouldn't tell anyone or post it anywhere, but if they posted in a secret blog or it was information passed via email, I don't think they should be shared. For example, rosaire and octavekitten posting private messages from each other was immature and unnecessary.

this girl sounds stuck up. i don't even.

>>6660488
It's all avoidable. Just don't post pictures of yourself on the internet. The only reason to do that is to get attention -- by demanding you be able to do it without criticism, you are saying you should be entitled to only positive attention. It's absurd.

>>6660490
>For example, rosaire and octavekitten posting private messages from each other was immature and unnecessary.

It can prove points very effectively though.
And if I recall correctly octavekitten was actually the first to post a private message, with some sort of claim about Rosaire's shipping. Later Rosaire posted a screencap of the actual transaction showing that what octavekitten posted was in fact incorrect.

>>6660501
Either way, private messages should be kept private.

>>6660497
Agreed. If you can't stand the heat, then gtfo and don't contribute to it. Easy as pie.

>>6660400
I think what gets me about it is that she acts like she's clean.
I never believe people who criticize with this tone of superiority while completely not addressing the fact that they've probably said mean, nasty, and unnecessary shit about a person at some point too. And this is why I can never take these kinds of posts seriously.

Then next time when she slips up or does something stupid someone's gonna point back to this exact post and say "But you said this here and why aren't you practicing what you've preached?"

>>6660508
I can't blame Rosaire for what she posted.
Her reputation was at stake. If I had some weird vendettas after my ass, and proof on my screen that they were wrong to boot I'd do the same.

That's called sticking up for yourself.
There's a time when you do it and a time when you don't. That was one of those times.

>>6660522
I'm with you anon.

cgl thought patterns really bring to mind an elementary school bully. If you don't react to people posting shit about you, if you're in the right then people will probably leave it alone because there's no drama there and it lives out its life cycle and everyone forgets about it. But if you start deleting or hiding pics, or if you or your friends come to try to defend yourself or argue, it's just going to turn into a huge dramafest thread that everyone will have time enough to see and remember. If you give people more information to argue with, they will take any seed and go with it because they're bored and judging or insulting people on the internet is a primal urge.

People always did this but it was usually in private between people gossiping in real life or on AIM, not posted for people to see like it is now.

So... people expect us to get along. Not only get along, but get along all the time. Not only that, but as females with love-hate relationships. Not only that, but get along as girls from 4chan, who are accustomed to the "call you a faggot, insult you personally, and say I love you, all in the same post" style that formulated here over time.

These people grow up getting told that they're special and good and that they shouldn't have to be offended by big meanies on the internet. And it's partly true, they're special and wonderful and they don't HAVE to be offended. That shit is personal to them. Expecting everyone else to adhere to their standards is full retard.

Rather than being unreasonable and expecting a large amount of people to mind themselves, doesn't it make much more sense to mind yourself, by either stoning up or keeping yourself out of the line of fire?

Everyone gets ridiculed on the internet. EVERYONE. As you'd notice, it's only the people who take it to heart that get involved in deeper drama, and cause more problems for themselves.

>>6660554
>cgl thought patterns really bring to mind an elementary school bully.
Some of the things you've said reflect quite immature behavior as well.

>deleting and hiding pictures
Well why bother with this once everyone's seen them and saved them to their computers? The damage has been done at that point.
>if your friends come and defend and argue
Tell the friends to back off. This is probably the #1 most irrational and immature thing they can do. Not only will they say things that will irritate the situation for the very person they're trying to defend, but the drama would not grow as big had they just let it be and not given the provokers more fodder to argue upon. Never do this, at least not without proof to the contrary.
>give more people information
How about don't participate in the argument in general if you can avoid it? Or how about making concessions and trying to see their points without acting necessarily belligerent or holier than thou? That'll diffuse the situation above all.

>if you don't react
The best option in some cases.
If some calls you ugly, or say they don't like your dress, or other such petty nonsense it's really best to let them have their opinion. Nothing you say is going to change their mind.
And whether it burns you or not, they're entitled to what they think of you. That's life.

However, are they spreading unnecessary lies?
Time to stick up for yourself.

Was this Kirapop? She didn't even get bashed; some anon just asked everyone which way they liked seeing the wardrobe posts, in groups or in individual, neat shots, and some people said that hers were a little messy looking. She came in and threw a hissy fit, saying stuff like she felt that she preferred for her wardrobe post to be like that because it showed them in their natural state because people already know what prints look like when they look neat and presentable, and that she was taking SOOO much time anyway to take the pictures so how dare we complain about her doing work for our sakes. Or something to that effect, I dunno.

Her wardrobe post was fine and no one was seriously upset by it or anything. It was her throwing tantrum over minor shit that was the issue.

That being said, I don't agree with her points at all. It's not as if /cgl/ is a festering pool of shit and bitchfests. It's just much more honest than egl and d_l tend to be, and while people can be harassed, I see that as just a polar extreme to the hugbox that the international community is. It's because people feel the need to be polite and non-offensive all the time (cuz lolis are lovelies) that we have so many wank communities. I do disagree with constant harassment of one individual, but vendettas tend to be obvious unless the person in question really is a ita or whatever the issue is.

>>6660554
>If you don't react to people posting shit about you, if you're in the right then people will probably leave it alone because there's no drama there and it lives out its life cycle and everyone forgets about it.

Yep. Even the biggest drama such as Talia and Maiko eventually died down. Do you remember the herajika vendetta-chan? That one was awful but people moved on and herajika still posts awesome outfits. People need to learn to not take things on cgl to heart.

>>6660567
>deleting and hiding pictures
>if your friends come and defend and argue
>give more people information
Do you read? I said NOT to do these things. So we agree.

>>6660583
Talia and Maiko were warranted drama topics because they were scammers. Those threads were here to help people (while providing entertainment).

LOL seagulls just said that her pics were cluttered and she came on here throwing a huge hissy fit. No one said anything nasty to her. Wtf, commentary = cancer guiyse.

What an uptight bitch.

Fuck off seagulls she's right. you birches shouldn't be posting people and bashing them on /cgl/ gtfo saplings

>>6660754
Gtfo treeGL birch!

>>6660596
>Those threads were here to help people (while providing entertainment).
Although that didn't really help anybody and most of the actual helpful information actually came from Facebook and the egl comm anyway. Don't know why they can't just admit those were threads to bitch in, nobody accomplished anything.

Laughing pretty hard right now. Kirapop is a massively argumentative person who flips out anytime she is criticized. She can hardly clam her issues with /cgl/ stem from her ~peace loving nature~

This girl looks familiar. Does she self-post in the WAYW threads?

>>6660756
Nooo you, you sappy sap oak. The day will come when us trees will take Over and you puny earthling trees will bow before the gods that we are. In the name of Yggdrasil!!!

>>6660754
>>6660756
>>6661209
So /cgl/....are we going to get drama fixes in the form of treelitas?
>Wondering if treelitas will continue to be posted on BtB

>>6660763
>egl comm

Oh come on now. Wonderfinch was telling people "the authorities" said it was all just a misunderstanding, on the basis that she saw cops talking to maiko and they didn't arrest her and asking maiko if she was a scammer.

>>6661263
Treelita forevermore!!

Speaking of gossip... How did Angelic Pretty pick the lolitas the featured in their mook?

>>6661272
>one mod fucked up
>that means all other information that did come from there and Facebook was moot
...no? And I'm kind of sick of the WF debacle undermining all the effort other mods and admins made, as well as the communication that happened between folks and that Maiko girl to get their money back. Blame WF, not everyone else.

>>6661459
Pics? I am waiting for it in the mail D:

>>6661467
Didn't WF do a good job in contacting the authorities?? I was under the impression that she did a fairly good job protecting the victims of maikodolly

>>6661641
While she did contact authorities people say their beef is she was too trusting of Maikodolly and didn't contact the authorities for a follow up.
I haven't heard anything about this since though, so I'm under the impression everything got sorted out anyway.

>>6661649
Same. She did her job, no more lolitas were complaining of charge backs. In the end maikodolly didn't scam anyone.. Successfully

>>6661649
Pretty sure there's still people who hasn't gotten money back.

>>6661679
I haven't seen anything to suggest the contrary.
>inb4 this shit gets brought here again
Ugh no. Maybe it's just the people who know how to use 4chin that got their money back.

>>6661709
The sticky on the FB lolita comms isn't there anymore and hardly anyone has brought it up again on egl or elsewhere. So I can only assume that if what that other anon is saying is true, that it's being handled privately at this point.

It looks like a dead issue to me.

>>6661709
There were people in the egl sticky still saying they hadn't gotten their money, how could you miss 'em?

>>6661784
...because that "sticky" is no longer there? Are you shitposting...?

>>6661802
It was there for months. People were still posting, ages after the situation was supposed to be resolved, that they hadn't gotten their money back- and got no reply by that point from mods, I might add.

...what the fuck is 'shitposting' about replying to the conversation. wut.

>>6661459
They sent out an email to people who spent over a certain amount and then the design team back in Japan picked, though the local staff might have pre-filtered what was sent; I'm not 100% sure about that part.

Mine is still in the mail too.

>>6661834
Because they're talking about what's happening currently and not two months ago.
Fact is if the stickies are gone and nobody's bringing anything new up, then the situation is very likely resolved. Did it ever cross your mind that the people who said that they didn't get their money at the time have gotten it by now?

>>6661865
>implying the egl mods are competent

>>6661875
I'm not implying anything about the mods there...I really don't know what you're on about.

>>6661865
>Did it ever cross your mind that the people who said that they didn't get their money at the time have gotten it by now?
No because maiko stopped replying in mid december and people asked for her through to january.

>>6661884
Okay then why are the stickies gone and why hasn't anyone said anything?

>>6661884
>No because maiko stopped replying in mid december
I saw her reply well into January. You're making that up. Js.

>>6661885
>>6661887
I'm sure the mods assume that unless everyone isn't assbackwards retarded they called the police already and so they don't need to help anymore

>>6661649
She didn't actually contact the authorities, though. That's the issue. She saw the cops talking to maiko, saw her not get arrested on the spot, and asked maiko what happened. That was her "credible source" that it was all just a big credit card mistake.

>Fact is if the stickies are gone and nobody's bringing anything new up, then the situation is very likely resolved

Uhhh... no. Otherwise there would still be stickies for belle_bete, talia, and pretty much every scammer in the community. The reason the stickies disappear is that the mods are no longer interested in dealing with the situation, even if "dealing with the situation" is just responding to people asking for updates.

>>6661893
If someone was still missing an egregious amount of their money there's no way they'd let it simmer out especially with that person's history. I just don't buy that, it doesn't explain the silence especially when everyone was so outspoken about it at the beginning.

>>6661893
But I thought the reason people were still getting jerked around was that the police were refusing to do anything for some reason??

>>6661904
THIS.

This is what I was talking about- shit wasn't resolved, the mods just started ignoring it.

>>6661903
The people who didn't get their money back were mostly people who had let Maiko pay using gift payments. Paypal wouldn't do anything and, if the paid using their Paypal balance, it means they will need to get the authorities involved because their bank or credit card company can't do anything. It boils down to: If you're not in the same state, are you willing to put up at least a grand that you may not get back if you don't win against her in court? For most people,No, they aren't, but it doesn't make maiko any less of a scumbag.

>>6661904
Then it's kind of weird how all the drama posts stopped on cgl. Since you know that shit wasn't about to die until those people got their money back. It's suspect.

>>6661910
Nah, people's attention spans are small too. Didn't surprise me...

>>6661907
OH. This explains why it died then, because the people left couldn't be helped because they had chosen the gift payment method. Tsk.

>>6661907
I sort of wondered how she didn't get charged w/ anything though on account of just how much she stole...

>>6661910
>>6661911
They kept getting deleted though.

>>6661917
I remember those threads getting up to at least 200+ replies if not more. The reason they got deleted at the beginning was because we had just adopted those new rules and the mod deleted them under the "singling out" rule until moot came and clarified that it was alright for general chats like scammer threads. So no they were not deleted after a certain point and probably just autosaged.

>>6661917
Yeah, that's true. But the getoff posts, by the time they were made (much too late) were barely active.

>>6661901
While I agree logically, the fact is that many scammer situations in the pass have similarly "simmered out" - buyers or sellers are scammed, and then get so frustrated with a lack of progress they eventually just give up on the situation altogether. It's happened numerous times in the past: there's uproar for a few months, and then the situations just seems to disappear, when in reality it was never actually resolved.

>>6661942
Yeah, this.. even when people get really screwed, they end up spending so much time chasing after a resolution, and getting no help from PP/the mods, they just drop it.

>>6661910
>Since you know that shit wasn't about to die until those people got their money back. It's suspect.

Not really. There were no new updates after a certain point. She wasn't contacting people, not even to do her "ohhh I'm having trouble with Facebook/my email/the internet" excuses. And the mods were unable to provide any updates, both on Facebook and EGL.

Like all drama (deserved or not) it dies down when there's nothing new to talk about.

Again, using your logic, talia_speaks and belle bete didn't fuck people over in the end because the threads stopped.

>>6661942
>>6661951
>>6661952
Well if that other anon who posted about the gift payment thing was correct, then they weren't about to get anywhere with it unless they put more money into it by going to Court, out of state for some even. So in all likelihood it wasn't out of frustration, just that to push it further would put them deeper in the hole with money than they had previously lost, plus the effort of actually making a claim against her in Court and winning it.

And now it all makes sense why that sticky about the gift payment warning is on the FB sales page now.

That's stupid. Who here still hasn't gotten their money back from maikodolly then. Speak up and make a point. I highly doubt anyone here sill hasn't gotten it back from maikodolly

>>6662268
Yeah because I'm sure they'll all sense to come running to this thread immediately to explain themselves to you.

>>6662274
Eh if people don't care Enough about them being scammed, then no one else will give 2 shits about it. Point proven

>>6662521
>HURRRR NO ONE REPLIED IN THE SPAN OF 2 HOURS SO I MUST BE RIGHT