/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I was going to go last year but my boyfriend didn't want to drive from Virginia to Georgia just to do nothing all weekend. Definitely not going this year,I pay that much for Dragon*con and it's a 4 day con. we'd have to pay for gas,the hotel and food for the weekend,after all that I wouldn't have any money to buy anything anyway,it's just not worth it.

I am! I had a good time last year and intend to this year. I'm not big on cons and I see them as background for hanging out with my friends and getting drunk. I managed to find one of my dream items in the consignment shop so I'm hoping my luck repeats.

I already bought my ticket and am already planning out my outfits.

I'm not a weeb, so I can't rationalize spending $45 to go to a anime convention to see other lolitas, but $75 to go to a LOLITA convention with girls from all over the country is totally reasonable, especially considering it includes a free meal on Sunday.

If I lived around there it would be worth going to. IMO it isn't worth booking a $150-200 plane ticket and a hotel room for a few nights.

Some girls in my comm really wanted to go, but honestly, unless I had an extra $1000 laying around to blow I wouldn't even consider it.

I live around and I don't see how it can be worth the price, 70$ for a second year con is ridiculous plus its only 2 days.

>>6535932
You're all forgetting a key fact, food is included for the whole weekend. No paying for expensive and shitty con food, we're getting it catered by the hotel (I'm pretty sure that's who will be doing it). That alone is worth $40 at the least.

I went all in again this year and got a VIP package so I can hang out in the swanky consuite and have a swag bag.

>>6535952
So they're feeding you once for two days that's still not worth dragon con prices. A convention is more then just food, they don't have any good panels, events, or guest.

Last year was such a bore, honestly I expected more this year

>>6535969
I'm pretty sure the big secret they're going to tell us at the High Tea is about a special guest. That;s just a guess though.

>>6535952
Some of the biggest cons with over 10,000 attendees don't even charge that price. They're going about this all wrong.

You don't charge such a high price off the bat because it drives away people's interest and cuts down the number of attendees. I know people want things to be ~fancy~
>implying hotel catering is ever fancy lol
But srsly, it's better to offer modest snacks and food on a budget, try to get people to volunteer for panels, and spend the rest of the money on getting guests and reserving a nice venue. Not blowing the money on weird hotels that really aren't that interesting. The venue should have been thought through better.

To run a successful convention, the founders also often put in a lot of money to make them happen. It's an investment if anything and a big undertaking.

>>6536020
The founders have put in so much money. Seriously, they've spent thousands on this.

Also this venue is way better than last years. I know it's going to be even more amazing this year.

If you don't think it's worth the money, don't go. No point in complaining about it.

>>6536002
They really should have announced their special guest before they started selling tickets, it would have been a major selling point. Assuming their secret is a guest

>>6536029
That's a good point. Maybe my guess is wrong and it's not a guest? But the directors have been freaking out about it, FREAKING OUT and I assumed it was something super cool.

I'll post about it on the 27th if someone with a smartphone hasn't beaten me to it.

>>6536026
Um, yes, there is point in "complaining about it." If you want to act like a hot shot convention then you need to listen to your attendees and the problems that they have with it. Even huge conventions get criticism and frilly loli convention is no exception. Sorry if that bothers you, and no, just because you put a little bit of money into it doesn't mean you get to charge ridiculous prices to put some of it back into your pocket. Within the first two years.

>>6536035
That's my point, they're losing money hand over fist. None of the directors have made money, are making money, or will make money from the convention beyond selling stuff at artists tables or the boutique. Which is as much as any other attendee can.

That's really the key point to get across, THEY'RE LOSING MONEY hand over fist on this.

>>6536035
There's constructive criticism and then there's bawwing about the price. One is helpful and the later is useless.

>>6536041
Nah, they made money last year.

>>6536041
This isn't an occupation, it's a convention. This isn't supposed to be a function where they get to line their pockets which is why so many people choose not to try to host conventions. You need money first to start with, and if it takes off then later is when you make money when you start getting thousands of people. It doesn't work the other way around.

If they're losing so much money for a mediocre display then maybe they should hang up their bonnets while they're still ahead.

Last year they didn't even cater meals, they made people purchase luncheon and other food from a cafe. So if the big bawww is that they're losing money, then why are they trying to get hotel catering service this year? They're doing it wrong and not thinking about their finances.

>>6536042
There was nothing 'bawwww' worthy about my comment.

>>6536044
Which is going to pay for the new venue and other perks like catering. They're not even close to "breaking even" on their original investments here.

>>6536026
Lol

They made a lot of valid points, I don't see the problem with voicing them

>>6536052
None of them are grudgingly spending their money on this. It's a labor of love and they think it's worth it.

You're acting like someone was press ganging them into spending hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars on this convention. They're doing it because they think its worth it.

Frankly I agree with them. All cons start small and they're doing way better than (for example) Momo con did when it started.

>>6536059
>it's a labor of love and it's worth it
Then why are you whining about the directors not making enough money? The only thing they should worry about is making enough for the budget for the next convention seeing as though it's still very small. And again, if that's the big concern then I don't see how getting hotel catering service will fix that expenditure problem.
>thinking I'm trying to get you to spend more money
Not at all, I just don't think you're going about it very smartly.

>>6536064
I wasn't whining. I mentioned their deficit because people are mistakenly under the assumption that they're pocketing fistfulls of cash.

>>6536064
And furthermore I'm not trying to put down the *idea* of the convention. I think it's cool to have a lolita convention and I'm certainly not trying to rampage about how 'abloobloo this con sucks,' no.

What I'm saying is if you can't organize this then it hurts your attendance and doesn't translate well to lolitas out of state who would like to go.
If your attitude is
>don't like it? don't go
or
>can't afford it? don't go
Then who's left to go?
Certainly not the people flying in or spending the gas money to travel. It becomes only a local or state deal.
And frankly, I think that negatively effects your image as a convention because you're trying to advertise it as a national convention, yet you're doing very little to make it worthwhile to the attendees that aren't immediately in the area.
This can also have an impact on your guest connects as well.

>>6536026
Where has this money been spent? There isn't anything special going on that makes me think they've put thousands in this convention.

I'm not trying to complain but price is a main factor when attending a convention. A second year con is expected to be shitty, you go because it's cheap or free. Since this is nether I expected something nice to be going on

I'm pretty sure the "surprised" have something to do with Innocent World. They've been in contact with them last year but IW responded to late to contribute anything real except a few model-san postcard set, which they gave as prizes. I'm sure this year IW will have more than that at Frill. Maybe something in fashion show and items to buy in boutique?

>>6536075
They're expecting 250 people this year. Not exactly hurting for attendees.

And there will always be people who live too far away to make it reasonable to come in for a convention. I don't see the problem in this.

And about 60% of the registrants so far are from out of state.

>>6536091
>only 250
That really isn't a lot. It's not. And you'd have a lot more if you'd lower the price (ergo actually make more money).

>60% of registrants are from out of state
Uh, as in one or two states over? This doesn't mean anything as far as long-distance registration.

You're all acting like they just pulled the registration prices out of their asses. It was considered for weeks and the math was run over and over again.

I see a lot of cool things happening this year that weren't happening last year but apparently I'm alone.

>>6536095
It's a second year convention, it's not fucking Dragon*con. People aren't going to travel from far away unless there are brands present.

>>6536091
>>6536073
>>6536059
>>6536042
>>6536026
/diff anon
But it really makes me mad that you're obviously part of the admin of this convention yet you're responding so apathetically and matter-of-factly. Why don't you learn how to be professional, and learn how to take some criticism since you're advertising your convention on 4chan?

And I also like how you just implied you don't give a shit about out of state people and what they think. That's real nice business.

>>6536099
>unless there are brands present
Which you won't get unless you get more attendees. And you get attendees by making the prices more reasonable and budgeting better. You're really butthurt.

>>6536101
I can safely say that I am NOT a director. I don't even live in Atlanta. I just know all of the directors and I can easily access information on the convention on facebook.

Sorry that you don't find me professional and that you disagree with my opinions but I'm not connected to the convention beyond acting as an attendee, I'm not obligated to have opinions that only you value.

Obviously we want attendees from far away and we're getting them but it's not shocking if people aren't buying plane tickets from California.

>>6536099
This wouldn't make me go.
I can buy stuff online and stay home.

Actual events, not just "hey, spend even more money on this stuff!" would make me want to go. But TBH I love lolita clothing but a convention wouldn't be for me. Since loli is adamantly NOT a subculture I really can't imagine what I would do for 3 days. It would be like... "Get dressed, walk around talking to people. eat some food... walk around some more, rinse repeat." I have no idea what events could realistically be run that would make me want to go.

Viewing rooms are out
Most con dance events would be out since lolitas wouldn't want to sweat all over their dresses
I have no idea what panels would be about, a diy sewing/activity panel might be neat, but would be costly.
Shopping is only fun for like 3 hours and then you've seen everything and spent all your money
Photoshoots maybe, but I think they would be filled with so much drama and tears

>>6536105

That's your opinion but 250 people is still tons more than show up at convention tea parties. And they show up with the expectation of buying lolita itemsl

>>6536114
>we

I see.

By admitting that you know the directors and are accessing information about it from Facebook and going about this the way that you are, you are connecting yourself to this convention beyond being a simple attendee. You're not a random person who happened by, you're their friend who is now whiteknighting every criticism you can.

>>6536117
This stuff is the constructive cricitism the directors want to read.

Let's hear what you all would like to see at a lolita convention.

>>6536114
>I'm connected to the convention beyond acting as an attendee
I see you missed the point.
You are misrepresenting the image of your convention and possibly bringing them even more criticism with your sloppy words. Let the directors speak for themselves if you have no power.

If I were you I'd back down now before you say something real idiotic.

>>6536123
>constructive cricitism the directors want to read.

Proof that the directors are in this thread.
So I guess as long as it's soft criticism with fluffy teddy bears you're okay with it. Good to know.

>>6536121
White knighting implies that the thing in question isn't worth defending.

These are my own personal opinions, my friendship with some of the directors has no influence on my opinions regarding Frill.

If I honestly thought it was shit, I would say so but that's not the case.

And frankly really the only criticisms I've seen are "too much money" and "boring panels." You guys aren't really being original here.

>>6536136
>These are my own personal opinions, my friendship with some of the directors has no influence on my opinions regarding Frill.

You realize that no one believes you, right?

>>6536133
None of them have posted to my knowledge.

>>6536125
I know right, how DARE I have my own opinions on the subject. Clearly this thread is only for complaints.

>>6536136
No, whiteknighting implies you're being a good little biased drone and hoping you will receive asspats from your director friends for fighting tooth and nail against anyone that made a negative passing observation about the way the convention is being handled.

Also this
>>6536137

>>6536137
You realize this makes no difference to me, right?

I came to give my own, NON-AFFILIATED opinion and I've done that.

>>6536117
viewing rooms could be fun actually. Kamikaze Girls? Gothic Lolita Psycho?
And outside of that, maybe some old black/white films for the lifestyle classic girls, fun art films for the sweet girls, darker fare for the gothic girls? Dunno, it could be a really cute (and cheap addition) if done well.

Has anybody publicaly asked them why the con costs so much? Since they say they are a non-profit they might share that info. Also just the fact that they are a non-profit and the directors are volunteers should tell you they aren't making any money. If the directors are making money then they'd have bigger things to answer to than /cgl/, like say, the IRS.

>>6536141
They're probably annoyed that I'm even bothering to respond to you so I doubt any asspats will be incoming.

>>6536139
>LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I HAVE CONNECTS SO THIS GIVES ME THE AUTHORITY TO TELL YOU YOU'RE WRONG IF YOU SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE
I don't think I'd enjoy a convention where I'd have to mill around a hotel reception room with a bunch of retards for two days.

>>6536143
Your opinion is clearly biased and I find it a little disturbing that you, who are friends with the directors and are clearly involved on Facebook, can't let a single negative comment--even a simple one--go without whiteknighting it to hell. You keep saying "how DARE I HAVE OPINIONS" when people point out that you're going about this poorly... and yet you're not letting anyone else share their opinion without declaring that they're wrong because the convention is perfect and wonderful and they don't have to go.

Hey friend of the directors, can you ask them if they'll be having public tantrums & blow ups this year?

>>6536152
Well you are straight up wrong if you think the directors are making money.

The rest is opinion and I respect that. But I don't have to agree with you. And that doesn't mean I'm just shoving my fingers in my ears and shouting "WRONG!" to myself every time I read a negative post.

>>6536147
I thought the reason their banner says corporation is because they're a LLC? I'm pretty sure that's different from being a non-profit?

>>6536156
As they didn't have any last year all signs point to no.

>>6536152
Tut anon, if you don't go though you'll miss out on the chance to eat their cucumber squares and the shot-glass yogurt & frozen berry selections.

>>6536161
>forgetting the tantrum in the dealer's room

lol

>>6536158
>the directors aren't making money
Then I don't understand your original bitch about them losing money as it makes perfect sense that a beginner convention would initially.

>>6536054
They broke even already on their original investment, considering the number of attendees and the sold out VIP tickets.

Stop trying so hard to be right.

>>6536164
Dropped my pic of my gourmet treats.

>>6536167
It wasn't a bitch. I said that IN RESPONSE to someone claiming they were making money.

It's not my money. I don't baww vicariously about other people spending money.

>>6536174
>gourmet

I SPIT OUT MY DRINK

>>6536114
Which is funny because I know there was at least one attendee from California last year. Way to go.

>>6536180
bunnyhuns, get out of the thread. You nearly ruined Frill last year. Stop doing it again this year.

I don't think $75 is really that bad. The two lolita tea parties at a con I'm going to in the spring cost $35 apiece to attend in addition to buying a badge for the convention, and that's just for an hour or two. I usually pay for anime con badges just to attend a few lolita events and most of that money feels wasted since I'm not into anime/video games/comics. I feel like it would be a good deal for people similar to me.

>>6536054
Our 70$ is paying for all of that.

>>6536180
>in response to a claim that they were making money
No you didn't you awful liar.
Your comment was (>>6536026)
>The founders have put in so much money.

In response to (>>6536020) who said
>To run a successful convention, the founders also often put in a lot of money to make them happen. It's an investment if anything and a big undertaking.

They NEVER said they were making money.

>>6536160
An LLC can be a nonprofit. Not for profit or for profit is how a corporation files taxes and is allowed to make money. Even Goodwill is a cooperation. LLC just means if they go bankrupt the directors can't be sued for outstanding bills or if somebody breaks a leg on a wet floor.

>>6536193
Wait I know her I think. How did she ruin anything.

>>6536211
Oh, thanks for that, I wasn't sure. For some reason I thought being an LLC you can make profit and there's a different way to file taxes.

>>6536215
She was talking without knowing the full facts and nearly caused a lot of people to not go to the convention in regards to transportation and venue.

If you're in the community, I'm sure you know who she is. She also posted her wardrobe on EGL when the theme started.

If you're her friend, tell her to get out of cgl and stop talking.

They have to be making money other wise where is all the money from last year and the frill boutique going?

We are paying for everything that's going on with our ticket prices

>>6536222
was she the one that came here and basically said "we don't really care about out-of-towners this year"?

>>6536229
That's the one. She apologized after, but she left a bad taste on a lot of potential congoers.

>>6536174

I wish I could be in charge of organizing food for events like this. I have few talents, but an excellent eye for the kawaii and delicious.

>>6536193
I know who this is but I'm not her. Maybe she made some of the other posts though.

I've basically given up. Frill is awesome and anyone who wants to come have have a lot of fun is welcome.

>>6536238
Then make one for your own country?

>>6536244
If you've actually given up, stop posting and sage your post.

>>6536237
she sounds like she was talking out of her ass but why would this make anyone mad if shes just posting shit without even checking if its right

>>6536261
Essentially her "we don't care about you out-of-towners" comment got a lot of people butthurt.

>>6536261
Because people get annoyed when they ask about how they're supposed to get to a venue if they're not within driving range or are unable to drive and are essentially told "well lol tbh this event isn't meant for you, sooooo maybe you can come next year or something"

She was making it seem like it was planned to be a glorified ATL meet-up and people wondered, if that was the case, why it was advertised otherwise.

You people are so cheap. I love how lolitas will spend $300+ on a single dress they will wear occasionally at best, but as soon as someone suggests they spend money to go to an event designed just for their interests everyone complains that "IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE!!!"

Seriously. Are you people delusional? Or do you really not understand how event coordination works? Lolita is a niche subculture, in order to expect relatively low ticket sales (250 right?) and still be in an accessible, nice hotel you have to be able to actually PAY for the venue.

Every room they have to buy probably costs them a few thousand for the two days (at least) on top of the original charge for using the hotel to host the event. When I got married I was REQUIRED to use the hotel's catering, and wasn't allowed to bring in ANY other food. It was an extra $6,000 just so my guests could eat for one night.

Anime conventions are cheap because they can reasonably expect a few thousand weeaboos to show up and shell out tons of cash because it's the only time they leave the basement. Anime conventions also get MASSIVE sponsoring from artists, voice actors, websites, etc.

And stop comparing the ticket cost to Dragon Con. You guys are all making yourselves look completely ignorant.

>>6536084
Yup, I think it's Innocent World too.

>>6536242

Oh God, no way. The only thing I'm good at is food. And maybe entertainment.

>>6536295

Also, I know you were joking, I was just pointing out that if it were not a joke and I was ever to attempt such a thing, it'd be hellish.

>>6536284
>how event coordination works?
Do you? Because it just seems to me other anime conventions have figured out reasonable ways to organize their conventions which are A LOT bigger than this one without charging those kinds of prices.
And they usually have a center or a venue and tons of guests and panels which can cost a lot more than some cheap catering.

Not to mention people WILL be paying $300+ if they're flying or driving in and renting out the hotel, and then add the ticket price.

Also
>implying all anime conventions just start out with thousands of followers and never have to build up their attendee base
And you're completely talking out of your ass if you think anime conventions get sponsored by guests and VAs.

TL;DR You're a bitch pulling excuses out of her ass.

>>6536290
haha not such a surprise anymore, is it

>>6536284

I agree with you. Obviously the people bitching about the price have never had to plan a major event before,

>>6536315
It's like you want to piss people off or something.
You dare make that assumption?

>>6536320
Oh lawdy someone told /cgl/ they've never been to a con before. Here we go.

(but i agree, shits expensive)

>>6536320
Well smart ass, how about you email the hotel they are using and find out how much it would cost to host a 2 day event there that uses all their convention rooms then report back. Then we can find out exactly what their expenses are like.

>>6536304
Them bringing innocent world is just a guess. I really feel like if they had IW they would have announced it already.

guys guys, let's ignore this BS and dig for more info on the Innocent World thing. Is that actually possible?

>>6536274
Well no one should be unhappy with the location this year, it's on MARTA and can be accessed from the airport via public transit.

>>6536320
If you don't understand how the costs here break down, I don't even WANT to know how lame your ~events~ are. Your birthday party doesn't count.

>>6536341
Completely possible.

>>6536336
That's what the announcement will be on the High Tea, I bet.

>>6536334
Hey "smartass,"

Ever stop to think that outside your little bubble of frills and unicorn farts that people plan and host events at hotel conventions almost everyday? And that it doesn't exactly take someone with a hospice degree to organize an event with 300+ people and figure out a way to provide food, a few guests, and the room at a price where you don't have to charge the attendees over $30?

No, didn't think so. Because clearly only you are special snowflake shits.

>>6536332

>Oh lawdy someone told /cgl/ they've never been to a con before. Here we go.

What? There's a difference between attending a convention and planning one.

>>6536320
>You dare make that assumption?

You sound so internet tough guy right now.

>>6536355
If it's so easy why don't you throw together a basic budget example for us.

>>6536361
Did I say it was easy? Oh no wait, clearly everything I say is a personal attack against innocent Frill Con that doesn't give a flying shit about their national attendees even though they advertise as such, and then get butthurt when people give criticisms when they advertise on the chanz. Oh noes.

>>6536332
>expensive
LOLOLOLOL

>>6536336

you're giving them too much credit, if you expected them to announce it before opening up registration

>>6536370

So you can't. Okay.

>>6536361
It's really easy!

You just choose a location that's accessible but a little out of the way and don't offer many amenities.

OH WAIT! THAT'S WHAT THEY DID LAST YEAR BUT THE ENTITLEMENT COMPLEX OF /CGL/ COULDN'T HANDLE IT.

>>6536370
Stop talking out your ass. If you want to complain about this con say something that actually means something or has some substance to it. Tell us how they could make this a thing for $30 and I'll listen to you. I'm not going to this con because my sister is getting married that weekend. If I could go though I would and I don't expect them to have $30 prices when I know just how much places like this cost. Just for the hotel space for ONE night my sister is paying 15k for her wedding (before food, decor etc) so the idea that this con could somehow be cheaper boggles my mind.

>>6536361
>YEAH THEN WHY DON"T YOU MAKE A BUDGET FOR US?

It's not that anon's responsibility to help you plan YOUR convention. It's your matter, and if people criticize it then it's your problem to handle and not someone else's. If you don't like it then don't continue with it.

Like someone else said you could at least learn how to deal with these situations professionally and with a bit of grace instead of acting like defensive ten year olds.

>expecting maturity from Frill directors
>forgetting the co-chair is missmeganmaude

oh /cgl/

>>6536389
>give constructive criticism
Which is what anons were doing before whiteknightchan decided to shit it up with their "no guise u can't say anything negative!" arguments, and speaking for the convention when they're not the ones in power.

>>6536396
Out of all the directors, there's really only one person I expect to handle things with maturity of an adult. It's too bad, really. I wish they would get better management, because arguments here aren't doing any good for the con's image.

>>6536394

Did you think that post was seriously asking for a real budget? That's hilarious. Do you take everything this literally?

>>6536389
>comparing a wedding to a convention
You sound like you know what you're talking about /sarcasm

>>6536406
Yeah? Well you sure did make a fus about them not coming up with a quickie budget for ya here snookems >>6536383
Try cooling your bloomers.

>>6536407
Renting a space costs the same no matter what the event is. Spaces have a basic pricing list they use across the board. So really you are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about.

>>6536421
>renting a space all costs the same
Are you trolling me here? You must be trolling. There's no other explanation for this level of stupid.

>>6536415

...It was to prove that the anon couldn't do it and was totally talking out their ass. You might want to look into being tested for aspergers.

>>6536430
If you ask a venue for pricing they give you the same base price regardless of the event. It's the millions of extras they tack on like food and beverage minimums and hospitality fees that vary.

>>6536389
Weddingchan, the biggest expense of my wedding actually came from the catering, the entertainment, and the dresses/garments.

If the only thing I had to worry about was venue it would have been about 8k cheaper than what I paid. Besides, unless your sister actually got married at the same hotel then there's no correlation to suggest that this convention costs close, or anywhere near 15k just to reserve the room for two nights. It's a ludicrous analogy! Weddings tend to be more expensive for a variety of reasons at hotels.

>>6536432
This thread REEKS of aspergers. That, and poor people.

Fortunately, that means most of the crazies in this thread wont ACTUALLY come to Frill, so the rest of us can have a good time.

I am planning on spending my entire tax return in the consignment shop. Fuck the comm-sales.

>>6536456
No need to say that. The crazies are already in the community running the convention. Have fun, though!

>>6536456
>everyone who criticizes Frill must be poor and burgered
Haha, what a pleasant way to advertise a convention, pray speak on. I imagine this will land you attendees.

>>6536448
Really? You got off easy. My venue in ATL cost me $15,00. And that was my second choice in venue.

>>6536469
15,000*

>>6536462
I like how you are assuming I'm a director. Should I assume you're one of the butthurt few from last year as well?

>>6536469
I guess I just know how to pick a nice venue without throwing away my money, it's a nice skill to have.

>>6536474
>implying implies
You are a fool if you think just because you're not a director that this doesn't shun your image as a convention. Shame on you. If you wanted the best for this convention then you wouldn't even be arguing and making such petty insults.

I'm sure that not everyone who goes to Frill has money galore, and I'm sure some of them have a mental disorder. You just insulted both. You're being a dick. A frilly little dick.

>>6536486
Implying you are better than them when you are posting on this shit hole of a website just the same as them. You are the company you keep and just being on this website makes you a frilly little dick just like the rest of us.

>>6536496
The difference is I'm not a frilly little dick hosting a convention and expecting people to pay money for a shitty venue and some shitty little niblets. Grow up.

Can we all just stop the fighting and appreciate that lolita's can say things like "Cool your bloomers" during a fight and it's totally awesome and okay? 'Cause it is totally awesome.

>>6536517
You sound so mature there.

>>6536474
I'm assuming you're a director because of your use of the word butthurt.
There's only know a few people in this thread who use it so much.

>>6536535
Butthurt is like top vocab in any lolita wank thread. You don't get around much,

>>6536535
...Oh, did you miss the part where we are on the internet right now?

>>6536517
"Shitty little niblets"...I love you

>implying you other lolis aren't just jealous you don't have something like this in your state

>>6536566
I'm pretty jealous that we don't have an all lolita convention, but I live in CA. We get the brand stores and PMX that does cater to a lot of lolitas. So I guess it's okay. It'll be nice if we can just have a mini lolita con before PMX, but I know it's hard work.

Look Brittany, we know this is you. Shut the fuck up.

Okay I'm going to take my 80 dollars and buy a five course dinner from Harold's, rent four movies from redbox, invite all my loli gals over for two days and that'll be my convention.

And I'll call it "Lace". And with the rest of my money I'll buy a bottle of box wine and have just as much fun.

Lace, for use broke ass lolitas (because apparently Atlanta lolitas are all rich bitches)

>>6536569
It IS hard work.
That's why I don't get why people bitch about Frill so much. If they think they can put on a better convention, why don't they do it? I am surprised that there isn't a single lolita convention in California, though. You'd think there would be one there before Georgia.

>>6536601
I expected something from NY. The only thing they did was that fail ita winter event though. I was going to go but had conflicting plans at the last minute. Looking at the after event photos of that hot mess though I'm glad I missed it. How does the NY comm fail so hard at an event like that?

>>6536601
we can't have a convention because apparantly we're too cheap and poor,

>>6536601
Just because it's hard work doesn't mean that you get to charge out the ass for it. That's the equivalent of me spending a lot of money and time on a badly made dress and expecting a lot of money for it. That shit don't make no since,

>>6536621
Where, in California?

>>6536596
I can't speak for all Atlanta lolitas, but I know that I'm not rich. We just like our comm so we try to support their events.
Honestly, it is somewhat expensive, and if you don't want to go, then that's cool. I'm just going because I appreciate my comm and the hard work that the directors put into it.

>>6536637
This. I always have a good time at our meets, so I'm sure I'll have a good time at Frill.

>>6536637
Well you have fun PAYING FOR THEIR SHIT. I'M SO GODDAMN HAPPY FOR YOU. BUT WHEN YOU GET THERE AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD DONT COME CRYING TO US.

>>6536637
Well as someone who is from Portland, I don't like the idea of making a con because I don't want to wind up exploiting my own community for personal gain.

>>6536637
Yeah you can't speak for all of us, I will not support this event because they are ripping their own community off.

I fill like they aren't listening to any of us and are just bullying the comm into coming.

>>6536654
I'm taking you so seriously now that you're typing in caps.

>>6536658
Actually, I think the directors are losing money on this.

>>6536660
The hell are you talking about? They never bullied anyone.

>>6536660
YEAH THEY ARE RIPPING US OFF AND BULLYING US BY ATTEMPTING TO HOST A FUN EVENT THAT WE CAN ALL ENJOY.

OH THE OUTRAGE! THE HORROR!

>>6536682
Thanks for affirming that you are one of the mods. You're still ignoring everyone's main concern here.

I am fascinated by this...
How was this lolita con last year?

>>6536687
I hope that none of you whiners go.

Because that means that the people who DO go will be much more fun to be around.

Seriously, do you all realize what downers you are? Justify it however lets you sleep at night, but when the event comes, I'll be having fun with some lolitas who are actually nice.

>>6536687
Nope. I just already bought my ticket and am legit excited for the event. Don't ruin it for me.

>>6536704
One person having fun does not a convention make.

>>6536709
... don't ruin it for you? if i could find you and rip your ticket up i honesty would. I would. Seriously. I don't want to ruin it for you. I want to destroy it for you.

I just noticed there is a pool at the hotel. Anybody wanna get drunk and go swimming on Friday night?

>>6536713
Let me assure you that there will be much more than one person having fun there.
Sorry you can't make it, anon.

>>6536720
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

>>6536569
Actually we might be getting one? The Grand Dolly Party did a fundraiser not to long ago, they're planning a Lolita Con for the socal area. Should be good, or hopefully better than this mess.

>>6536704
So anyone who has complaints about frill is are " whiners"? Your potential attendees options don't matter to you, that's nice to know

So basically the atlanta lolitas don't want lolitas from other states to come to their convention because we're cheap and whiny? How are they going to get more people to come.

>>6536720
Mental instability confirmed.
You clearly don't dislike the con for valid reasons. It seems that you're really just batshit insane.

>>6536722
You have fun getting drunk by yourself ya here?

>>6536720
If her enjoyment of a convention upsets you THAT much you should probably look into anger management therapy. It's okay that she wants to do something that you don't. Do you get upset when people don't like your favorite color too?

>>6536734
No? People from lots of different states are coming and the directors welcome and encourage it.

clearly this person is trolling

>>6536720

Whiner detected.

>>6536736
Perhaps I am. Perhaps...BUT YOU'RE THE ONE TAKING YOUR TIME TO COMMENT TO A TROLL. IM INSANE? BITCH, IM THE ONLY SANE ONE HERE

>>6536722
Sure! ^_^

>>6536747
It's hardly trolling when you admit you're trolling, dear.

>>6536747
This is officially the best thread ever. I changed my mind. I really hope you guys all come to Frill, because there are some funny bitches online tonight.

>>6536747

Like I said, you go on believing whatever will help you sleep at night.

>>6536753
Bitch, if i call it trolling its goddamn trolling.Shut the fuck up, before you look up and im standing in your bedroom with my hand ready to pimp slap yo face

>>6536762
It does help me sleep at night, I SLEEP LIKE A GODDAMN BABY!

I AM FUCKING CRAZZZZZZZY

>>6536767
BRING IT ON, CUNT.

>>6536722
This is the best post in this thread. See you there, anon!

>>6536774
lol YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

LOUD NOISES

>>6536782
BITCH I AM ON MY WAY. GET THE VASELINE OUT AND CALL THE AMBULANCE FOR WHEN WE ARE DONE. CUZ I SWEAR ON YOUR MOMMAS FAT ASS YOU WILL NOT BE WALKING OUT. DO YOU HEAR MEEE???? I WILL FUCK YOU UP!!! I WILL FUCK YOU UPPP MUTHA FUCKAAAAA

>>6536788

lolz, this fucking thread

>>6536788
OH SHIT IT"S ON NOW

ARGHHHHHHH I WILLLL KILL YOU. I WILL KILL AND FEEL NO REMORSE. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>6536788
I'M GONNA RIP THE BRAND OFF OF YO SKINNY WHITE ASS, BITCH. BET YOU DON'T EVEN LIFT.

>>6536797
first of all...thanks for calling me skinny.SECOND OF ALL IM FROM EAST COMPTON HIGH, I AM THE BLACKEST SOB YOU WILL EVA MEET. EVAAAAAA. CLOVERS FOR LIFE!!!

>>6536803
REPLICA WEARING FATTY CHAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP-uIlwk6Rk

>>6536803
BITCH YOU DON'T KNOW ME LIKE THAT. I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE TO BACK THE FUCK OFF, THEN YOUR ASS IS THROUGH.

>this thread

>>6536806
oh no hunny....i dont fight with retards, go home. Run home.

>>6536817
...you in the wrong thread hunny. BITCH BYE

>>6536810
BITCHHHHHHH I DONT NEED NO CHANCES. BRING IT NOW! BRINGG IT.

Ok so I forgot how ugly and cahotic this dress was, I really need your sincere thoughts on it, seaguls. It can't be just me.

Also, general burando horror and fails if everyone wants.

>>6536819
I noticed

>>6536816
I SAID BRRRR
IT'S COLD IN HERE
THERE ARE SOME STUPID BITCHES IN THE ATMOSPHERE

>>6536722
Sure sounds like fun.

>>6536238

Yes, I know what you mean. I can make cute and tasty all day. I'd love to be the chef for a little event and nothing more. No one would even have to pay me past cost of food.

>>6536242
catty remark... Clearly they said they wanted to organize food as they didn't have talents anywhere else, but food they can do.

>>6536938

We should team up and host a giant Lolita dinner party...

>>6536955

I'll make little aprons with our names on them!
What's your favorite dish to make?

>>6536983
Awww, sad loli-chan got abandoned by her tripfag.

>>6536983

I love making a lot of things, but my favourite things to make are macaron and fruit pies. I also have a lot of fun with babas, chiffon cakes and tortes.

Imagine a beautiful spread... Individual fruit tartlets full of fresh crème pâtissière, topped with jewel-coloured fruits cut to look like flowers and studded with delicate swirls of cream... An array of macaron, full of ganache, salted caramel, honey cream, glossy jams... Tiny éclairs in all different flavours like green tea and white chocolate...

It'd be so beautiful! And we could serve it all with lovely teas and things.
It'd be perfect.

Most venues block you from using anyone but their own vendors/caterers. And yeah they're usually more expensive to use. I got a quote for a convention hotel for a tea party: scones, fresh fruit, and tea about $30 a head,
A venue isn't going to let someone into their kitchen who isn't professionally licensed/health certified or whatever. And it's quite difficult to just whip up stuff for a couple hundred people. It sounds really nice in theory, to have someone make all that nice stuff, but in practice, difficult.

>>6537073

Oh that sounds so nice. A feast for the eyes and then such airy sweetness on the tongue.
Ganache is my favorite. You can do so much with it.

I love petit fours. So dainty and you can make them any flavor combination and decorate them so nicely.
I also like roll cakes. The swirl of the filling makes me happy.

Also you have made me crave green tea eclairs. Those must be mmm mmm.

>>6537118
True, but that is a hotel so it's a bit different. There are a number of venues that you can use that will allow you to do your own catering but they're unlikely to be hotels. Plus you wouldn't be allowed to make food without a health and hygiene certificate. I'm also pretty sure you need someone in the kitchen that is a lv3 (supervisor level health and hygiene). I work in a kitchen and we've catered for special events before and it really is a lot more work than you'd think to cater for even 60 people.

It's funny because anons keep saying how they'll make their own fun events but nothing ever happens.

>>6536696
I had a lot of fun honestly. Sure there was room for improvement but I found I saw more panels and paid less for food than I would at say Dragon*Con or another large convention.

>>6537267
I read that as "Delicious Arse". Twice.
Bedtime.

>>6536601
Our lolita convention is grouped with PMX.

I like lolita as a fashion, but it's not really a subculture as someone else mentioned

I honestly can't rationalize spending that kind of money to just... derp about with lolitas and talk about clothing and sip tea. I would go crazy

>>6537418
I would definitely feel this way if I didn't like the girls in my community.

I don't really have any girly friends outside of lolita and I really appreciate being on the same wavelength with a lot of my lolita friends.

>>6537397
oh no
Lace is going to happen
I promise you that

>>6537397
You're just not cool enough to live in our area.

Some of you ladies (it was difficult to use that word) are wildly out of control and need to check yourselves. Seriously, WTF drama mongering bitches? Most of you haven't even been to the event.

That's fine, though. Don't go, because I thoroughly enjoyed all of the amazing deals I got in the boutique and consignment, and the fewer of you that come, the more fun for the rest of us. I saved up things that I had purchased on the internet that didn't quite fit/suit me and actually left with more money than I showed up with. Something I have yet to be able to accomplish at Dragon*Con.. I'm not even sure why that's being compared in the first place.
I know some of you cheap bitches would rather see Frill in the back halls of some community college, but this convention didn't start out like that. It burns you up and I don't understand why instead of pitching a bitch fit about it you can't come and see, or even join in.

>>6537608
Wildly out of control? You call criticism on the internet "wildly out of control?" Get over it chickadee. Most of those horrible analogies were by that weirdo whiteknight at the beginning anyway.

I would definitely go to this even if the prove for a ticket was doubled or tripled but I all busy this summer and I'm trying to save up for a trip to Japan :( I hope frill keeps going, I will get there one day!

>>6537608
>cheap bitches would rather see Frill in the back halls of some community college

I get that you don't like it when people say something against a convention you happen to like, but don't start this garbage. Many conventions start out at college campuses and that's perfectly reasonable and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's smart to do that if the complaint is there isn't a lot of money and getting a hotel is too expensive. This just makes you come off as stuck up tbh.

You don't have to be poor to not want to frivolously spend your money if you don't have to.

>>6537608
You're making a lot of wild assumptions.

I've never even been to a meet-up, so considering a state gets its own convention, I'm p jelly.

Can we get more picture or information about last year? Dealer's room tantrum what?


>>6537608

>difficult to use that word
My sides.

I agree that the IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AS COMPARED TO MORE OR LESS UNRELATED X argument (it's not all whining, believe or not, points are being made) in the fashion of sugardaddies, panty sales and coveted thousand dollar hideous prints is a little silly.

Isn't seventy-five dollars the price (-s&h) of burando socks? At least one person in this thread has a firsthand pair, certainly. No shame in spending your own money, but trying to dictate how someone else should ration theirs never works.

The attitude of your post is more than off-putting, though.

>>6537649
But plenty of people can afford Frill so they don't actually need to change the price.

Somebody will always be too poor to come to a convention but you don't see other cons dropping their prices from year to year.

And yeah, it's comical in lolita to complain about $70 food included as "too much" when a brand tea party which only lasts for a few hours is $150 including the amount you had to spend at the shop before you were allowed to buy a $50 ticket.

>>6537729
I've never paid for a brand tea party or a brand dress over 150 dollars. Even if I do buy an expensive dress, I expect to be able to get my money back.

Don't compare yourself to other cons, other cons don't start their first and second year off at 75 bucks, they don't do it, especially for a con that has no guests and no big attractions.
This is an overglorified Atlanta lolita meetup and it will stay that way if you continue to keep the prices like this. Atlanta lolita may be able to pay for this shit, but people from out of town (who don't have money to blow on an airplane ticket/transportation and a hotel) would not want to such a small little con for such a high price.

The whole, "make your own con" argument just makes you look stuckup.

The only true lolita event in california was from the days of Oneesan, and that was a looong time ago. Organizer got tired, gave it up, and now works for ap apparently.

>>6537778
More like Lynda is batshit and a terrible organizer so people don't want to work with her anymore. Fancy French Fuckup, anyone?

>>6537778
She's only in it for profit so once she learned that she'd be barely covering expenses it stopped. We really do need a convention in California

>>6537729
There are plenty of things I CAN afford, Frill being one of them, but I don't just go around throwing my money just because I can.

The problem is that its too expensive for what you get. They don't have anything planned but yet want us to blindly believe that a second year con is going to produce some great event.

And yes I was at the last one and it was a disappointment.

>>6537768
So does that mean the the Atlanta lolita comm is run by a company?

>>6537608
I love how you think that because YOU enjoyed yourself, that means everyone else did and I can insure you that was not the case

I attended last year and I can tell you that it exceeded my expectations only because they were very low.

>The venue was very small and the middle of nowhere, NOT in Atlanta.
>There was only 3 rooms
>Ticket prize did not cover food, at all. They venue sold food there, you had to buy a separate lunch pass, and pay for the tea party
>All the panels were run by other local girls
>They literally kicked you out of the event for 2 hours, I didn't know this and was very unfamiliar with the area
>Everything at the boutique was over priced
>mostly I just sat around talking


The only thing I can say is they decorated it nicely

This year the convention is located in Decatur not in Atlanta again. At a Marriott, a cheap ass Marriott, two blocks on foot from the train station, the room cost 129 night. There is about 6 events listed on the website with no description of them and no panels AT ALL.

WOW so worth 75$

>>6538035
I have been to so many cons and I don't even bother with panels 80% of the time. Who gives a fuck? It's for hanging out with people you like, and maybe meeting a few more.

>>6538047
I can do that without paying 75$, its called a meetup. This is not a meetup its a convention, you may not be interested in panels but other people are and they need to be offered.

Mfw NYC lolitas had a tea meet up that cost 85 for a few hours.

Sure is poorfag in here.

>>6538047
Whoa you're right, I'm sorry I didn't realize you were the only person going.

>>6538079
Was is nice, beautiful, well organized, had good food? Was is a great tea party? If not you got ripped off.

The problem is not the price, its what you get for the price. I have the money for this event but I can't justify paying for it

>>6538079
This dress is 200 dollars, someone has already bought it, if you don't buy it too you're a poorfag

This convention is milanoo

I don't understand why there is nothing up on the site. It's been 6 months since the last con and there's like....nothing

>>6538118
I do wish they would decide on panels. Last year some of the panels felt a bit rushed but that was more the panel holders and less the directors.

Megan Maude had the best panel.

>>6538130
Not really, most of the panel people were working and were rushed from different places to do their panel which often ran into each other. Some of the panelists ran too long and it created a domino effect. I wouldn't blame the panelists for it.

>>6538035

I'm pretty sure there will be panels, they just don't have them up yet. I just looked on the site and it says they have 20 of them planned?

last yer it was 45 to get in at the door, this year it will be 100....how is this markup justified?

according to my friend it was so-so last year so why would I pay so much for a con with no rep

I remember paying about $65 for general admission to the Yumemiru AP event in CA back in 2008. I felt it was really worth it and I had tons of fun for those two days. Here's a link to what they offered us:

http://egl.livejournal.com/12466720.html?thread=247099424

I don't see nearly the same thing with this ATL convention though :(

>>6538145
They've already stated selling tickets this information should be on the website and planned already it makes them look unorganized

>>6538130
Yet she was the biggest procrastinator. She didn't start planning shit until the last minute.

>>6538177
I guess she just knew what she was talking about. Wunderfluff's panel was good too but hers always are interesting.

The wig and deco panels were my least favorite, both of those panelists were very disorganized.

>>6538188
Really? I actually really enjoyed the deco panel a lot. It was very informative I thought. I missed the wig panel.

>>6538188
I'm not trying to white knight or anything, but the person who worked the wig panel was also working in the boutique all day and when I saw her at the end of the con she was exhausted and had been at the place since 5 to help set up. Her panel was very well thought out and she tried to be personable and entertaining and not to just read the powerpoint at the crowd. I learned a few new things as well.
I wasn't there for the sewing panel, but I liked the deco panel but the makeup panel was the worst one.

>>6538201
I was just hoping to hear about more techniques and better sites to buy cabochons from

>>6537926
like it or not, she made more headway than anyone else so far. yea, hater's gonna hate.

The worst part was Frill:After Dark
after wandering around outside in the middle of bumfuck nowhere for 2 hours because we were kicked out of the venue, me and my boyfriend came back to the venue only to sit around for another hour for a kodona/brolita contest. I don't remember much but the kodonas were bad and brolitas were too. Then the fashion show started and it was okay but rather unprofessional, espeically with the tape on the floor. After that we sat around did nothing until this shitty band started playing, I sat through 30 minutes of it before deciding to go back to the hotel.

>>6538163
You see, people like >>6537926 are the reasons why we can't have nice things. You fuck and drive away the people who tries to do something nice, then you'll end up having weeaboos running all your future events. serves you bitches right.
Keep bitching, bitches.

>>6538174

Most conventions don't have a schedule up by the time they're selling tickets, I don't think this is a failure on their part.

>>6538299
Well most cons have been established and everything. But even then they still have the more general events on their sites like raves, cosplay contests, cosplay chess, artist alley, dealer halls, viewing rooms, and the such out. And on top of that even small cons can get some sort of industry guest that has to deal with whatever their fancy is.So it makes sense why anime conventions don't have them up, but since they've got years of experience most people are using word of mouth as decision to buy their tickets.

Though Frill has five events already lined up (not including botique/consignment) for anyone out of state wanting to go to the con it neither has the backing of previous cons or enough inciting things to have out of state people go.

>>6538257
This irritated me the most, who the hell kicks people out of the venue for 2 hours in the middle of nowhere

>>6536374
THIS

>>6538257
Oh god that band, THAT BAND. Yeah Frill after dark wasn't great. Maybe I just wasn't drunk enough.

>>6538382
>>6538257
That's one of the reasons why they're doing a different venue this year, apparently it was some stupid requirement the old place had.

>>6538257
these were the people who won the brolita/kodona contest.
the kodona was okay but the brolita, nobody told this person that a short dress plus under the knee socks don't look good at all, and the unicorn horn kills it.

>>6538620
Is that...Ayubutts?
Wasn't she outed for being a fakeboi tranny months ago?

>>6538620
They both need some tights, like bad!

>>6538629
I want to hear more about this because I never knew which gender pronoun s/he preferred.

>>6538620
SOCK SUSPENDERS FOR BOOTS AND NO SOCKS MY MIND IS FULL OF FUCK

>>6538629
>>6538652
they weren't outed for anything, Ayu has said publicly that they prefer male pronouns but don't give a shit if people call them a girl.

If by "tranny" you mean transgender, then yeah, you can be transgender without getting surgery to change your genitalia.

>>6538685
>>6538629
I like him/her whatever but I don't see what the difference between Ayu and people like aki are?
Both female claiming to be male, dressing like girls.
Not flaming, just genuinely curious.

>>653853
Wow they shouldn't have picked that place, or you know told everyone and had a place for people to go

>>6538719
Clothing, while designated for genders does not have a gender, and when you buy your clothes they become yours to do whatever you please with them. I am a girl, I identify as female, and I like wearing men's clothing occasionally because it's comfortable to me.
Identifying as male wouldn't make me stop liking my frilly dresses and pretty bows, I'd still enjoy wearing them.

>>6536396
To be fair, they took feedback very levelly in person at the end last year, and they have acted on most of it.

>>6539298

Yeah the end of the tea was all for suggestions for next year which has been heavily considered and mostly they've changed things to fit suggestions from attendees.

>>6539783
yeah well that's nice. I guess someone told them that they should jack the prices.

I went to Frill last year. There were a few panels, but most of them about beginner stuff. So I wasn't interested.

It's apparently supposed to be better this year. (Or so I heard...)

Consignment/Clothing wise the place was a fucking gold mine. I got an AP dress for $30, a meta print for $50 and some korean brand dress for $20.

The hand-made dresses were a little above my price point and too big for me. But, I'm a cheapskate. A lot of people were really happy with what they bought, and I really enjoyed seeing my friend's designs get purchased.

Yes, we did get kicked out for a few hours while they set up. But, whatever. The boyfriend and I went and did other stuff and checked out the comic shops.

The food was pretty good, but you were SOL is you had gluten intolerance of any kind, which several girls did.

I would have enjoyed more panels, but I've been to much worse conventions operating five years in. So I'm willing to give it a pass and go again this year.

I'm from MA, so I did travel quite a bit to go there. Money to burn? Not really. I'm over my anime phase so there weren't any other conventions for me to attend. Now that I'll be rooming with an ATL friend, though, I don't have to pay for hotel rooms. So that is a major draw for me this year.

Why am I going again?
>To visit my friend
>Because it's in a better location
>Don't have to pay for hotel
>I'd like to see this become something big.

Personally, I'd love there to be more than one lolita con, and I'll support anything that even looks remotely feasable. I don't care if the directors are making or losing money, because it's hard to make money the first several years of any business endeavor. And if they are, good for them. I don't give a shit how much they're lining their pockets, if they even are.

What I did see, I'll give a solid B- for effort. Not the best con I've been to by a long shot. But, I could see that they were actually trying, as opposed to the half-assery I usually see.

Also, I was in the consignment room/dealers area almost the entire time. How did I miss this freak out thing?

>>6542706
What time did you get there? There was definitely a freakout.

>>6537996

I'm not sure I agree about the boutique being over-priced.

I know a lot of seamstresses, and while the prices were certainly above my range I wouldn't consider them above average for a good garment made by a lone seamstress. Could you go into more detail?

>>6542707

Tell me /everything/. The curiosity is killing me. I was there from the beginning. I even had a VIP pass and was like the third girl in.

bump

If you don't want to pay the money, just don't go there and stop being so buttmad.
You can afford 300+ brand items but still don't want to pay 75 $ for an awesome event like this? All of the haters here aren't able to save up a few dollars, are they?

Ya know I just thought of something, how many times have you been to a convention and were disappointed with the "lolitas" that showed up? Since an anime convention is aimed at anime lovers you get all sorts of itas and casual beginner girls. I'm glad that the tickets are more expensive because at least it'll weed out the weaboos and people who aren't passionate about the fashion.
But I do agree that ticket prices are expensive for what is listed on the website. I hope that they add more panels or guests to draw in a better crowd.
I've already bought a ticket but that's because I want to support the convention and I'm tired of going to conventions where lolita is a second thought.