/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Oh man. Is she still dragging this out? I don't understand how she made such a mess of things! Madness

>>6511377
I thought that maybe the situation had been resolved because wonderfinch never replied to someone asking for an update on the mod post, buuut... apparently not.

After having seen how easily she got away with this, I would not be surprised if we had more copycat scammers popping up.

>>6511403
Well it's purronica and she wasn't involved in the least so she really has no right to like, know an update

I assumed the reason why this drama got dropped was because the people who kept bringing it here finally got their shit back.
So there's still one person that didn't? And they haven't got authorities involved because?

This has gone on long enough. No, don't trust the mods who have no real power to help you.
Also, don't trust them to give you "updates" either because they're not obligated to do so.
Always go to your card companies, or get the authorities involved first.

>>6511408
There's already one:
http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/20207231.html

When I go to her feedback page, it says she's been permabanned, but does anyone know if that's official, because last I heard mods were still herpaderping about it.

>>6511467
It is. I can't speak to why or how but I know for a fact it was the plan from the beginning and all the people rabbling about how she isn't permabanned are idiots because there was no way there were gonna let a headache like this happen and not permaban her. They were just waiting for her to pay people back, they didn't want her to be like WELP I'M PERMABANNED SO I'LL JUST QUIT GIVING PEOPLE THEIR MONEY BACK, because there's really no incentive for her to clear her name or status in the comm if she knew she was getting permabanned.

>>6511483
Makes sense. Too bad people couldn't cool their bloomers for five minutes at the time to realize that the mods weren't taking that girl's side in the least.

>>6511492
I knew about this back when people started questioning WF about it on the post that's linked in the OP, like mid-November (probably around the time maiko threads started getting deleted and were ~scammer general~ and people started bitching about it for weeks). I kept quiet because I figured it would come out in time and I had been sworn to secrecy. I'm surprised they haven't made an announcement and just did it under the radar, but yeah. It's official.

It's great that she's permabanned but that's hardly the most important factor here. The important part is: has she paid everyone back? Obviously, the answer is no, and that's what she should still be getting hounded for.

>>6511560
Since when do scammers ever pay people back? I mean really.

>>6511560
>anons bitch for weeks about maiko not getting permabanned
>maiko finally gets permabanned
>"that's hardly the most important factor here"

>>6511618
Yes, because we are all one single conglomerate and separate people never have separate opinions

Are you retarded?

>>6511643
No, but you are.

>>6511654
Woah there, your cutting wit might hurt someone.

>>6511659
QQ more.

>>6511560
Well, one person according to OP and we don't have the reasons. So how about you cool it before you get out the bitch brigade again?
Didn't do anyone a lick of good last month and I'm sure "hounding" her won't do any good this time around either.

>>6511662
B==D~~~ O: more

>>6511667
Agreed. Honestly I feel like the people she paid back are really lucky. Most of the big scammers never paid anyone back even if they were "hounded"- cruxcommissa, talia, riji_pon kyodomo paid people back months after the fact

>>6511670
You are. so. original.

Fuck off and die, bitch.

>>6511677
And you are so mad lol
Don't worry, I'll wait a bit for your reply while you change your tampon.

>>6511492
>realize that the mods weren't taking that girl's side in the least.

Except the part where wonderfinch posted in her mod update that it was confirmed that it was all just a mistake. Her legitimate source? Asking maiko herself and taking her at her word.

>>6511698
No, she was in SF and witnessed the cops talking to maiko when BtSSB called them. When they let her go, I'm assuming that's why she posted that the authorities have been talked to and confirmed it was a mistake.

>>6511681
YOU'RE MADDER THAN I AM WHAT THE FUCK. You fucking started this you disgusting anal prolapse.

>>6511698
Maybe it was a mistake.
That girl has given the majority of people's money back. I don't think actual scammers would want to give the money back, or for that matter make their real identities available, if they did actually want to steal people's money and items.

Not to say this is forgivable (hence why she got the permaban) but I'm sick of people like you acting like the mods were out to get the people involved when they were clearly just trying to keep the situation neutral until all the details were sorted out. So forgive them if they didn't go on a witch-hunt.

>>6511701
exceeeeeept there's a screencap where she says she talked to maiko

>>6511701
But I don't understand how WF assumed that, just because the cops didn't cart her off to jail on the spot, that it meant it was all a mistake.

Honestly, it's been repeatedly made pretty damn clear that it's not.

>>6511703
The people who got money back got it because Paypal sided with them on the claim.

People who got refunded with her "friend's" account = chargebacked. People who got refunded with her second Paypal = chargebacked.

Just because she's scrambling to pay people back because she didn't get away with it doesn't mean it was a mistake. if it was a mistake, why the lies? Why change her story multiple times?

It's not a "witch hunt" to recognize that maiko is full of shit.

>>6511710
Yeah I saw that, but I'm saying *in addition to that*

People are so mad over shit that doesn't affect them. Goddamn.

>>6511713
So she felt comfortable telling people "oh it was all a mistake, authorities confirmed it" because maiko didn't get handcuffed and thrown in jail? That's even more fucked up.

>>6511713
People are mad because they're outraged that people got fucked over. It's called empathy.
I know this board has some serious assburgers and doesn't understand basic concepts like feeling bad for other people, but really now.

>>6511717
If the authorities didn't find enough evidence to arrest her for fraud, I think that's pretty credible than a bunch of girls huffing on the internet because they got chargebacks. JS.

>>6511719
>assburger
>people getting unreasonably angry at a mod because she didn't join the bitchfit against Maiko and kept things civil

Yeah...okay.

>>6511723
hey wonderfinch, you do realize people aren't mad because you were civil, they're mad because you lied to the community and kept telling people it was just a mistake because you believed the words of a scammer, right?

>>6511721
>if some cop talking to her outside a lolita shop didn't arrest her for fraud, nothing fishy happened at all!!!

All she would have had to do is say "nooo omg omg, it's a mistake with my bank, I'm getting it sorted out!" and the cops would have left it alone. C'mon now. My neighbor beat the shit out of his wife and didn't get arrested when the cops came to the door. The cops not hauling her to jail doesn't mean shit.

>>6511725
This. Does the concept of an investigation elude you guys that much?

>>6511725
>>6511727
Haha bullshit. Newsflash ladies: They're not pressing the big "investigation" because she's being forced (via paypal or being publicly ostracized) to give the money back which does not make her a scammer. Sorry, I know you still want blood to spill but it's true.

>>6511714
>People who got refunded with her "friend's" account = chargebacked. People who got refunded with her second Paypal = chargebacked.

That's a rumor, though. Multiple people who got paid through both have come here to refute that.

>>6511717
That's pretty much what I was trying to say, yeah.

>>6511719
It's one thing to feel bad for someone, but to go into huge huffing rages about it, when again, it doesn't concern anyone? All the shit you guys are talking about the mods is kind of stupid considering the mods really... have no power in this at all and never, ever will. You are all "mad" because it's drama and there hasn't been a giant crazy drama like this in a long time.

>>6511726
People got their money back except for this "one person" according to OP and we don't even know who or why.
What's your bitch? Or are you coming here just for the sake of bitching?

>>6511731
Uhhh... no. You're still a scammer even if you got caught and pay back some of the people you fucked over, actually. That's like saying you're not a thief if you still something from a bunch of people, get caught and take it back.

>>6511733
Nobody here was raging about the mods until you showed up to whiteknight them. Why can't you admit that the mods aren't perfect? Sorry, but it was pretty stupid of wonderfinch to say AUTHORITIES CONFIRMED that it was a mistake based on witnessing maiko not get arrested in public, which is what you're arguing happened.

>>6511731
No, it makes her a scammer. Just a shitty one who got caught.

>>6511735
Ohoho, I remember you.

>>6511741
>>6511742
>>6511744
I'm not even going to reason with you crazy bitches.
If you can't accept the fact that people GOT THEIR MONEY BACK and you still want to bitch about Maiko being a big scammer, then obviously you just want drama.

The mod doesn't deserve your shit. Get over yourselves.

>>6511735
>People got their money back except for this "one person" according to OP and we don't even know who or why.
>don't even know who or why

Mmm. Are you that whiteknight that was raging in all the maiko threads because you were, for some mysterious reason, really really huffy that people were talking about the scam she's pulled? Because the fact that you're ignoring the blatant, handed-to-you evidence of the "one person" who still hasn't been refunded by her seems very reminiscent of their "nope, not following the links to caps that prove she's changed her story, nope, didn't happen, nope nope."

>>6511749
except for the people SHE HASN'T RESPONDED TO IN 10 DAYS.

>>6511735
The person who didn't get their money back is in OP link.

>>6511741
Uh what? They always do. Just because I am coming at this with clear and rational thought and not huffing mad about something THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ME doesn't mean I'm whiteknighting, what the fuck. You're spewing stupid bullshit and I'm telling you you're wrong. That's not whiteknighting. All I was doing was explaining what WF, not saying they weren't wrong or that they didn't come correct. Because I agree that they bungled this but I don't have as much ire about it as you clearly do. Take a fucking xanax or have some sex or something.

>>6511748
Are you that annoying bitch in those threads that kept pointing people to the "maiko archive" with "caps" about her apparent "scamming" but would actually provide the "caps" when asked?
Never argued with you but I remember seeing you bump that thread. I thought you were just as stupid.

>>6511749
I know who you are and it is so obvious. You are a giant bitch IRL anyway and I am not surprised you whiteknight maiko because it's the edgy thing to do.

>>6511752
You sound pretty mad about something THAT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU for someone who is coming at this with "clear and rational thought." And where are people spewing bullshit? really, I'd love to know.

People said that wonderfinch talked to maiko and used her as a source. That is true.

Now you're saying that wonderfinch saw maiko not get arrested and that means it was okay for her to say that "authorities confirmed" it was all a mistake.

So why are you in here, sword swinging and banner waving, because people called out wonderfinch about being a fucknut?

>>6511758
>mfw I'm not who you think I am at all and I'm not even friends with Maiko
Paranoid much?

>>6511756
So it is you! Good to know you're still a retard.

Remember /cgl/: Don't feed the maiko thread derailing troll.

>>6511761
I know you're not friends with maiko. Did I fucking say that bitch? I know exactly who you are, you do this kind of shit all the time. Playing "devil's advocate" when really you're just a scalping bitch.

>>6511759
Because WF isn't a fucknut, asswipe. What she said wasn't a "lie." Stop that shit.

>>6511764
No. Just no.
Why are all "ZOMGMAIKOSCAMMURRR" girls so crazy?

>>6511768
>scalping bitch
>I don't sell anything
What...the...fuck? You are paranoid. What a bunch of crazies in this thread.

>>6511759
>People said that wonderfinch talked to maiko and used her as a source. That is true.
>Now you're saying that wonderfinch saw maiko not get arrested and that means it was okay for her to say that "authorities confirmed" it was all a mistake.

Me saying that WF saw maiko talk to the authorities WAS IN ADDITION TO HER TALKING TO MAIKO HERSELF. Jesus christ, you really don't know how to read do you? All of your responses are steaming fucking mad over something again, doesn't affect you. That, to me, is bullshit.

I'm not sword swinging and banner waving, rather giving input as to why WF did what she did and give you information that really had already been talked about here over and over and you're acting as though I'm pulling it out of my ass and making it up when I'm not. I never said it was okay that she said that, I just said that's where she got it from.

>>6511766
>What she said wasn't a "lie." Stop that shit

She said: "According to our sources, authorities have confirmed that it was indeed a mistake with her credit card company."

So what is the source that confirmed that authorities confirmed--and remember, confirm means CONFIRM, not guess, estimate, or take a shot in the dark--it was all a mistake?

Was it maiko? Because that makes WF a fucknut. Was it WF seeing her not get arrested? Again, that makes WF a fucknut.

>>6511777
And I didn't say you didn't say that IN ADDITION TO USING MAIKO, you whiteknighting turd.

You are sword swinging because you simply can't comprehend the fact that someone could call out wonderfinch for bullshit. That makes you a whiteknight.

>>6511777
I would stop replying. The bitches in this thread are mad and psycho. Nothing will say will change their minds, don't waste your time. Best to hide the thread and run in the other direction.

>>6511779
>Was it maiko? Because that makes WF a fucknut. Was it WF seeing her not get arrested? Again, that makes WF a fucknut.

I'm not that anon but I want to reiterate: it was both.

>>6511787
But WF never bullshitted anything. So you saying people are "whiteknighting" when they really just want you to calm the fuck down makes you sound rustled and huffy as fuck.
Calm down.

>>6511788
WF confirmed for double fucknut

>>6511777
It's funny because absolutely no one in this thread was raging about finch.

This is what was said

>Except the part where wonderfinch posted in her mod update that it was confirmed that it was all just a mistake. Her legitimate source? Asking maiko herself and taking her at her word.

and then >exceeept there was a screencap of her saying she talked to maiko

and then you

>People are so mad over shit that doesn't affect them. Goddamn.

No one was mad. You were the one that started that shit

>>6511787
>You are sword swinging because you simply can't comprehend the fact that someone could call out wonderfinch for bullshit. That makes you a whiteknight.

Please show me where I said that I can't comprehend why someone would call WF out? I'm not the whiteknight anon, sorry. I understand everyone's frustration with her and the situation, I just don't understand why people are SO mad over something that doesn't affect the.

giving an explanation as to why WF did that =/= whiteknighting

>>6511790
>no one was mad
>started a Maiko scammer thread
No, you were mad and you just needed the one "spark" to start shit. Someone bringing up the mod was a convenient excuse for you.

So why beat around the bush? Let the 300 reply thread commence where nothing gets solved and people bitch for six hours. GO.

>>6511789
I would say she bullshitted. Her sources were, assuming Joan of Arc is right about her witnessing maiko not get hauled to the slammer, maiko herself and not seeing maiko get arrested. I'm sorry, but when there's thousands of dollars on the line and the person in question is changing their stories, you don't tell the entire community that sources confirmed the authorities say it's all just a big mistake with her credit card company because you asked them in person and saw them not get arrested. That's really fucked up.

>>6511796
nobody is SO mad but you, toots

>>6511796
>just don't understand why people are SO mad over something that doesn't affect the.

but... you're SO mad over something that doesn't affect yo.

>>6511790
I don't even care about finch, I just really don't understand why people get so mad over this. It's insane, you'd think everyone here got scammed. I replied to that anon saying what I did because that anon tried to say that what I was saying wasn't true and I was trying to whiteknight her when that wasn't the case at all.

>>6511805
>>6511809
>thinking you're also not mad about something that apparently doesn't affect you either
>inb4 'I was s-s-scammed by Maiko ;-:"

>>6511810
No one here is getting so mad over this. Posting about a scammer isn't getting "so mad," it's asking for updates on a situation. Being annoyed or frustrated at the mod response to this, which even you admitted was bungled, is not getting "so mad." because it's a legitimate response. Especially when you're getting "so mad" over something that doesn't affect you either, but apparently it's okay for you to get "so mad." Why am I typing "so mad" in parenthesis?

>>6511799
This. Reported. Saged. Hidden.

>>6511805
>>6511809
Nah, that anon is the mad one. Really, really mad. I'm mad at everyone who is mad. And even still, I ain't even that mad.

>>6511818
>Reported

Except moot said threads about specific scammers are fine. And since she still OWES PEOPLE MONEY AND IS UNRESPONSIVE, she is considered a scammer.

>>6511801
>assuming Joan of Arc is right about her witnessing maiko not get hauled to the slammer

Not saying anything about the rest of your comment, but this was something that had been discussed previously in other threads. This is not new information.

>>6511823
>asking for updates on a situation
Which you're going to somehow magically get on /cgl/? No. This belongs on egl or FB.

You came here to bitch, not "find out" anything.

>>6511827
>people
>one person
K.

>>6511829
Her being confronted at Btssb was discussed (and dismissed as bullshit, but those might have been the comments of the anon obsessed with no one being able to talk about maiko) but not wonderfinch basing her "authorizes confirmed" comment around it.

>>6511832
I'd really love to know why you're so obsessed with no one getting updates about maiko. I really would. Are you her friend? Maiko herself? Just a bored troll?

guess what? People asked for updates on EGL and wonderfinch ignored them. And on Facebook you aren't allowed to comment on the matter anymore.

>>6511823
>No one here is getting so mad over this.

Okay so...>>6511719
>>6511643
>>6511726
>>6511754
>>6511756
>>6511759

I could keep going but you get it. Yeah, nobody is mad in this thread. Not one person.

>>6511839
>assuming she doesn't owe more people money

K.

>>6511845
It's funny because some of those comments are just mimicking your own comments in terms of CAPSLOCKS and SWEARING. I guess it's only SO MAD if you're the one going it, amirite?

>>6511843
Exactly, cgl is the only place anyone can discuss anymore. Hide the thread if you don't want to see it.

>>6511843
>because me calling you out on your shit means I'm being "obsessive"
Funny ladies, try harder.

>not allowed to comment on the matter anymore
Probably because everyone has gotten their money back except for like one person and it isn't an issue that everyone needs to comment on anymore? Or does common sense like that escape you? Or do you just think you're entitled to know everything?

>>6511843
>People asked for updates on EGL and wonderfinch ignored them.

A troll not involved and even said not even sure if this is allowed or if I should know about this

>>6511850
That's another anon, sis. I'm just saying I think it's stupid to say nobody is mad when there are a lot of mad people in this thread, here.

>>6511852
The Facebook comments were being deleted when people were confirmed out thousands of dollars. Try hard, obsessive anon-chan.

>>6511873
So now the lolita group Facebook admins are out to get people too? I think the girls in this thread suffer from serious paranoia.

>>6511880
Where did I say that? I was stating a fact. Comments about the situation on Facebook were being deleted when there were enough people to be confirmed out thousands of dollars--so, "you obviously can't comment about this on Facebook because she paid like everyone back!" is bullshit.

>>6511886
Because clearly those malicious FB admins just wanna keep you away from the juicy dramu and not let you in on anything, meanies! :(

The reason the FB admins started to delete comments was because people were dramabombing the post. Not because people stated that they were "out x amount of money." You're lying.

They did it so the matter could be resolved between Maiko and the people involved. That way people who had no involvement in the situation whatsoever (which I'm guessing people like you) wouldn't esacerbate it and upset the entire community just because you selfishly want to see someone burn for being a "scammer" when you can't even prove that it was ever her intent in the first place.

That's the truth. And if you want to pretend like the WF and others were ever out to hide anything and make people miserable, then I have nothing more to say to you.

>>6511873
The mod only deleted stuff not relevant to anything, like one person asking how she got her money, another person badgering her, and maiko's responses to how she got her money, like the shit about her dead mom. Nothing of value was deleted.

>>6511886
The fb sales group is for sales, not discussion. The thread was getting clogged with people bitching at maiko and people who actually needed to get in touch with her couldn't. So I completely understand why the mod tried to stop discussion about it, because the sales comm is you know... not a discussion forum

>>6511893
>Because clearly those malicious FB admins just wanna keep you away from the juicy dramu and not let you in on anything, meanies! :(

And where did I say that? No, really? Where did I say it? I'm waiting for that quote.

All I said was that saying the reason for Facebook comments not being allowed wasn't because everyone was paid back, because they were getting deleted when people were most definitely not paid back.

>>6511894
The mod went through and deleted almost all comments that were made by people not involved, such as ones that were questioning her story (like one person who pointed out that Paypal would not call her bank and inform them of identity theft) and commenting on how it had changed and didn't jive.

>>6511896
I'm not talking about whether or not I agree with the comments being deleted. I'm talking about the nobody-is-allowed-to-talk-about-maiko-she's-not-really-a-scammer!anon saying that comments about the situation aren't allowed on Facebook because "everyone has gotten their money except for like one person," when again, is blatantly bullshit because comments were being disallowed when it was confirmed that many people were owed money.

>>6511900
>wasn't because everyone was paid back, because they were getting deleted when people were most definitely not paid back.

No, your original comment was they deleted the posts after people said they "lost thousands of dollars." You lied. End of story.

>>6511911
I said

>The Facebook comments were being deleted when people were confirmed out thousands of dollars.

In response to you saying that people weren't allowed to comment on the subject anymore because

>Probably because everyone has gotten their money back except for like one person and it isn't an issue that everyone needs to comment on anymore?

So no, I didn't lie. Where is the lie? Comments were being deleted when people were confirmed to be out thousands of dollars, so saying that comments being deleted now because the issue is resolved is blatantly untrue. Which is what I reiterated in the comment you're replying to.

Where did I lie?

>>6511918
Yes you did. The admins did not, I repeat, did not start deleting the comments because "people were confirmed out thousands of dollars." They were deleted because people kept dramabombing the post, and people uninvolved were making it difficult for the people actually involved to contact Maiko.
As other anons have pointed out.

Stop twisting your comment, you lose.

>>6511921
>>6511921
I never said that they deleted the comments BECAUSE people were confirmed out thousands of dollars. You're the one doing the twisting.

I said

>The Facebook comments were being deleted when people were confirmed out thousands of dollars.
>when
>when
>when

When is not because. English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

>>6511911
>>6511921
lol I love how you're trying to twist this thread's conversation into a bizarrely dramatic triumph of your ~genius~ by chiseling away at some anon's comments

bravo maestro on your brilliant plan you've sure showed that anon what's what- is that what you want to hear? jesus.

>>6511928
Slow down there anon. If you backpedaled any harder you might bust a frill.

>>6511932
it's the samefag from all the other threads, it's the same thing they've done each time because they seriously have some weird mission to prove that maiko isn't a scammer because omg some people got money back and prove that no one should ever ever EVER talk about maikodolly because blarhaglhal ladies lolita cunts drama sluts or whatever brilliant argument they're using now

>>6511941
>backpedaled
>literally used my own quotes

Keep trying

>>6511945
>confirmed for paranoid
Yep, I'm outtie. Enjoy your thread of useless wank.

>>6511954
Kk.

>>6511952
>implying you won't be back to ~school~ people with your ~brilliance~ later because you literally can't control yourself around maiko threads

Kay

>>6511954

>can't control yourself around Maiko threads
>coming from the people who have a compelling need to talk about Maiko every week even though they're not involved

Wow. Are people in these threads trolling?

>>6511962
told ya
>>6511954

>>6511900
>The mod went through and deleted almost all comments that were made by people not involved,

/diff
this is just a lie because I witnessed that as it was happening and it was stuff NOT RELEVANT to anything that got deleted. It was really only a certain 2 peoples who comments got deleted, in addition to maiko. I told the mod to then stop doing that because people were going to get mad so that's why a dramabomb exploded on here

>>6511962
This anon has it right.

I believe maiko is scammer, I believe the mods withheld information for reasons unknown to us at this moment, but I also believe people here fake being mad and fake wanting justice and burning her because they just love the drama of it all. Nobody here can deny that the reason this is such a huge deal on this bored, aside from not being able to talk anywhere, is the drama.

There are at LEAST three more people who haven't had contact. These three are from LSE:

******* Le sigh. Was in contact with Maiko Fantaji on Sunday who said she would send a money order on Monday. I emailed on Tuesday for proof photos and haven't heard anything since Sunday. Has anyone recently been in contact with her?
December 22 at 3:48am

******* I haven't had any contact, or update about my money order since 12/14. I've emailed her multiple times over the past couple days, but still nothing
December 22 at 5:13am

******* How on earth is this still going? Maiko Fantaji, please actually clear this up. I know it's the holidays, but it's been going on for too long. People NEED that money.
December 22 at 5:14am

This is how I think it went down:

>Maiko buys a ton of shit
>A few months later, cries identity theft and says all these purchases aren't hers
>Chargeback city occurs, panic ensues
>Maiko played along for a little while to try and save face, possibly so she could attempt to do the same thing again at a later time
>Maiko eventually says fuck it and bolts

>>6512016
The mod post on EGL really needs to be updated. This is ridic at this point.

Can these bullshit threads stop? If anything, all it does is spread misinformation (really stretching facebook messages to say that she's "changing her story" and claiming people got chargebacks from 2nd and 3rd paypal accounts when this did not happen).

One girl posts that she didn't receive contact over xmas. Are you this person? Then why aren't you going to the authorities instead of coming to /cgl/?

These /cgl/ wank threads achieve nothing except a bunch of people feeling superior over others and doling out bullshit "if I was x I would have done" asspats to each other.

>>6512016

I'm the person that made that last comment, so I'm going to clear up that I haven't personally made any transactions with Maiko. I chimed in as a co-mod of another lolita community where one of our girls did have a problem, thought I believe it was cleared up. I do however try to keep up on whether or not everything has been cleared up. Before I posted, I was hoping it had all been finalized, but wasn't surprised to find out that some people who were refunded on her new PP account got charge backs and some people haven't heard from her since the discussion of sending money orders. At this point, I'm just hoping that those still waiting for money aren't the ones with the highest sums. I highly doubt that anyone is getting their money back at this point. If they get it at all in the future without going right to Maiko's door and beating the dollars out of her face, it'll be months as with previous scammers.

>>6512054
Actually several people have posted.

Why are you whiteknighting Maiko? If these threads die out, people are going to forget and she is just going to make off with all this money. You think she just made off with a handful of peoples money, but she actually stole tens of thousands of dollars from various people and companies, all lolita related.

>>6512054
Except there were chargebacks and problems with the 2nd and 3rd PayPal accounts, were there not? I was under the impression that was why she switched to sending out cheques / money.

If I'm misinformed, I apologise, but it's gone through so many stupid phases of payment that it's hard to keep track, especially with the spats within the threads (Seriously guys, can we ignore the troll for real next time?)

>>6512213
>Except there were chargebacks and problems with the 2nd and 3rd PayPal accounts, were there not? I was under the impression that was why she switched to sending out cheques / money.

/diff

There wasn't, really. That rumor came from a random anon and nobody ever confirmed it. She paid people back from her original account but then those started getting chargedback so that's where the second and third accounts come in. The money orders and check shit comes from PP putting a really long hold on the money and having shit be in limbo and people were getting impatient.

>>6512164

How does:

>I highly doubt that anyone is getting their money back at this point. If they get it at all in the future without going right to Maiko's door and beating the dollars out of her face, it'll be months as with previous scammers.

Translate to 'whiteknighting' Maiko? She's a scam artist, plain and simple, but unless someone is going to take legal action, then all you're doing is whining.

>>6512244
>That rumor came from a random anon and nobody ever confirmed it.

No, it didn't. It came from a post on the EGL thread which was deleted when maiko offered to send the girl a money order, but then didn't respond to her messages after that. I know one of the archived threads has a greentext, though, I'll go find it.

So is there anyone that has NOT gotten their money back? If you haven't gotten your money back, please keep trying as hard as you can to get your money back.

If she really does go to ALA, I am volunteering to confront Maiko because Chokelate warning people about her huge transaction is a big red flag.

>>6512276
>No, it didn't. It came from a post on the EGL thread which was deleted when maiko offered to send the girl a money order,

But originally, it came from a random anon. Lots of people were calling bullshit on it.

>>6512294
Okay but you said

>There wasn't, really. That rumor came from a random anon and nobody ever confirmed it.
>nobody ever confirmed it

>>6512301
That wasn't me, lol. Sorry.

>>6512342
er story on December 10th-11th was that her new Paypal was locked and Paypal won't release the funds for 48 hours and that Paypal told her people affected have to contact them for this issue to be resolved. Paypal was telling people hit by the second wave of chargebacks that Maiko hasn't tried to make contact with them, that the account holder is the only one who can unfreeze the account and there was no 48 hour release date.

Her latest story, that I'm aware of, is that Paypal is the only one screwing her over and she is "so done with Paypal XD" even though she tried to buy like 30 lbs of wigs & hair accessories from Choke with her new, supposedly locked at the time Paypal account. She also kept saying she would post screenshots or send them but as far as I'm aware, none have shown up.

All of what I said has been posted on Facebook or EGL.

>>6512054
>really stretching facebook messages to say that she's "changing her story"

It's not stretching. Initially, she claimed that she called Paypal first and told them about specific fraudulant charges, but they "must have" called her bank which is why all charges using her Paypal or her bank card were reversed. Then she said that she called the bank first and told them about the specific charges and they reversed everything and wouldn't listen to her trying to fix it. At this point, she said that it was her "very mean" brother who did the identity theft because he had her account information.

Then she said that Paypal was filing claims against people that she didn't file claims against after she reported identity fraud to them. (Paypal does not automatically file claims, fwiw--freeze money under suspicious cicrcumstances, yes, but not filing actual claims/chargebacks).

Then her bandmate posted on EGL saying that Maiko discovered in October that someone had made thousands of dollars in purchases, ranging from iTunes and lolita (brands she didn't wear or buy from) in June through August, using her grandmother's bank account/Paypal account. She contacted the bank in October and told them about specific fradulant charges and filed for paperwork, and only contacted Paypal in November about these specific purchases. Paypal took "everyone's money even those she said were authorized." At this point, the friend says that it was a known person who did the identity theft, but they claimed Maiko never said it was her brother--then okay, "maybe" she "might" have said it was her brother--then okay, well, her brother was one of the suspects but they weren't sure if it was him or not until just now.

>>6511337

Report this to the FBI. Seriously, this has reached felonious amounts (versus misdemeanor) and she's involved in interstate trade and mail fraud.

These laws exist precisely to stop people like this, but if no one reports her, the FBI ain't going to know it's going on.

>>6512351
Police couldn't do squat though after the BtSSB confrontation.

>>6512343
Thank you for that summary. You covered everything really well.

>>6512351
And this is why I think this is a troll thread.
>thinking the FBI would touch this

>>6512343
Oh, and there are at least four people who she has not responded to since December 14th.

>>6511592
Well, she has paid some people back. The issue was is that it was still up for debate whether she was a scammer or not. At this point, she looks less like a true scammer and more like an incredibly negligent buyer with a shopping problem. Of course, no one but her could be sure, but that's the im[ression that I've gotten.

>>6512342
>>6512343
Those aren't "new" stories where she's trying to change what she is saying, and you guys are idiots for going off on a tangent with whatever the person claiming to be her "bandmate" posted.
>>6512164
How is it "whiteknighting" her to say go to the fucking authorities and stop this bullshit rumourmongering thread? How does it improve the situation to have this thread on /cgl/?
>>6512213
No, paypal held the funds until maiko verified the account. Nobody has actually received a chargeback.

>>6511714
Except for all the people who've received money orders from her and and cashed them succesfully? She's actually been pretty good about that thus far, although there's still a lot of people who need money. But she IS actually paying people back.

>>6512391
>how does it improve the situation to have this thread on /cgl/?

It fucking doesn't. Anyone with sense knows it.
Stop replying to these cunts. If you don't respond then they don't reply. Then the thread doesn't get bumped unless they samefag, and at that it's just a rehash of old shit they've spouted since they never have anything new that nobody else doesn't already know.
Let this die.

>>6512391
>Those aren't "new" stories where she's trying to change what she is saying, and you guys are idiots for going off on a tangent with whatever the person claiming to be her "bandmate" posted.

I cannot believe there are people this naive.

There is screencapped proof for ALL of these stories. You cannot deny they were said and if they weren't "new stories" than please, tell us, what were they?

>>6512391
>you guys are idiots for going off on a tangent with whatever the person claiming to be her "bandmate" posted.

It was her bandmate, not her "bandmate." Their LJ had the same exact username as her bandmate's Tumblr, which had pictures of them & Maiko together, which was promptly deleted (along with the comments on EGL & their account) when someone said their name on /cgl/ and posted a pic from their Tumblr. Maiko even mentioned the incident in a Facebook chat because she had no idea how they had found the picture.

Those are "new" stories. When you that you called Paypal first but then say that you called the bank first or say that it was your brother stealing your identity but then say it was a mystery person who was (coincidentally) buying thousands of dollars in lolita, that is a new story. It's not a rumor to reiterate what she herself said on Facebook and EGL or what her bandmate said in an attempt to clear her name.

>Nobody has actually received a chargeback.
Someone on EGL did. And maiko said on Facebook that it was paypal "filing" the chargebacks because her account was frozen.

>>6512398
And some people who were scammed by crux got paid back. Doesn't mean crux wasn't full of shit and didn't lie about the situation, just like some people getting paid back by maiko doesn't mean she hasn't lied and bullshitted people for over a month.

>>6512411
They're not naive. It's a samefag from previous threads who, despite being shown screencaps and given links, kept insisting that Caitlyn never changed her story and her story checked out and it was just dumb cunts were just making up stuff and she was refunding people so shut up and call the cops and never post about her on /cgl/.

>>6511337
So, keroneko's new comment has disappeared for me... is this happening for anyone else? I wonder if it was screened?

>>6512391
>you guys are idiots for going off on a tangent with whatever the person claiming to be her "bandmate" posted.

It was her bandmate, no doubt about it. They posted on /cgl/ first then went on EGL telling everyone to just be patient because it would be solved in a few days.

>>6512438
I see it?

>>6511455
>http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/20207231.html

Not the case at all. The mod kept deleting the threads

>>6512440
>xD

Shit bro, that girl has no idea how to react to stuff.

Oh dang I didn't know there was already a thread about this, sorry

so are these threads okay now or does it just depend on the janitor?

>>6514098
Moot said they were fine, so they should be fine.

I almost can't believe that she's unreponsive. What happened to "oh I'll send everyone money orders ASAP XD"? Did anyone on the Facebook group get a money order cashed?

>>6514129
At least one person on facebook did cash one, apparently.

>Maiko sent me proof photos of the money order, and it arrived today. I was able to cash it fine. If anyone else is waiting money, I urge you to contact her. She has been quite responsive to me the entire time.

>>6514147
At least some people have gotten their money back that way. There's no way to reverse/fuck with money orders, is there?

>I urge you to contact her. She has been quite responsive to me the entire time.

LOL. Fat lot of good that did some people.

Going back through old wank today, I don't think anyone should be surprised WF reacted to this the way she did...

Proof: http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/445930.html?thread=28318186#t28318186

there's more if you go through all the old talia gtfos.

>>6514745
>http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/445930.html?thread=28318186#t28318186

Oh, is anyone actually surprised? It's like some sort of weird mod tradition to defend scammers and bad sellers who have screwed over a large portion of the community.

>>6514745
Rereading her comments, I am starting to wonder if she's that one anon who kept insisting everyone here wanting private contact information and transaction details because they wanted to know what was going on/what really happened. Because that's just what she's implying in those comments to soniabunny about people wanting some transparency about what happened with talia.

>>6514761
I know she used to trip here (and I'm also fairly certain she wasn't a mod when all this was going down... which is interesting because it didn't take her long to go from mod to admin..)

>>6514776
I know she still visits, especially a few months back when threads about her fashion sense were getting posted. I just think it's odd that more than one person would go "omg that's none of your business why would you need to know who bought what from who!" when nobody was suggesting that, either in the case of talia back then or now maikodolly.

She became co-admin after on-leave-laiferr stepped down when they shut down EGL for a few weeks because she was the person with the next highest 'seniority' so to speak. she used to be fairly level headed but then again, maybe I was just comparing her to laiferr's level of bullshittery and now that laiferr is gone her more irritating qualities are at the forefront.

>>6514786
I know she became co admin when laifer stepped down but seniority is bullshit because xelyna has been a mod for FOREVER and colortheory as well so I don't understand why WF got picked -_-

It's funny you say that though because people have defended me before on here and I've never been the type to defend myself so for all we know that wasn't her.

>>6514797
Err, actually colortheory, wonderfinch, and dandelion_cloud were appointed as co-admins after laiferr stepped down, though colortheory and wonderfinch (d_c left after the whole abusing her powers & racism debacle) use the egladmin account to run the community. Xelyna was on hiatus for a while and only came back after EGL "re-opened."

>>6514812
I remember when the egladmin account was created, I believe it was right after laiferr stepped down, but it seems like they don't really use that anymore and it's WF at the forefront of everything. I honestly think that milkteamilk became admin in d_c's place because her and WF are friends.

xelyna seems to be on a permanent hiatus.

>>6511675
I never understood how the talia drama ended up. Any quick summaries?

>>6514822
Nobody got refunded and she fell off the face of the earth, basically. She tried to make a new etsy business but got shamed out of it. I think one of the secrets from this week is about her but I'm not certain.

>>6514822
People who couldn't get refunds via Paypal didn't get refunded. She threatened to sue EGL for using data from her database site. She created an etsy and had a blog where she chronicled her life and sewing "adventures." She deleted both the etsy & the blog at some point.

>>6514855
OMG YES THESE WERE THE BEST PART OF THIS DRAMA PLEASE DUMP ALL YOU HAVE

>>6514883
yes ma'am

>>6514897

>>6514910

>>6514913
my fav

and that's all I have

>>6514929
oops I mean Final Fantasy, my b.

>>6514897
>>6514910
>>6514913
>>6514923
Anon I swear I will have your fucking babies for this. Thank you. <3 That pokemon one gets me everytime. Every. Time.

Okay, ALA is about a week away. I'm seriously confronting Maiko, especially if I see her godawful face at their tea party.

bump

bumping for the faggot anon who can't fucking look for themselves and needs to shit post about maiko everywhere

>>6517248
You're so mad it's pathetic.

>>6517250
You're the pathetic one, posting it in every other thread where it doesn't fucking belong. It's frustrating.

up we go

>>6514812
i feel bad about it but i like d_c's sense of style...she doesn't appear to post her outfits anymore which sucks.
>would wear the shit out of this

>>6518253
she pretty much disappeared off the English sites after the whole getting called out for saying a sales mod wasn't dark enough to be offended by the german equivalent for calling someone a negro.

>>6518271
lol
she was an asshat but i liked how she coordinated stuff. id like all her d_l posts if she just drew a heart over her face, she has such a shit eating grin

http://egl.livejournal.com/18936116.html?thread=428769844#t428769844

>I've been seriously ill for the past week, but I'll try to chase down sellers and see what's up tomorrow.

but not ill enough to camwhore for Tumblr
or bid on auctions and squee about them
or post about how awesome she is

My friend's been messaging her about another scam and gotten no response as well. C'mon now.

>>6518253
Does d_c have a tumblr? That's such a cute outfit

>>6520791
i don't know :( she posted a lot on d_l but deleted all of her photos and she only has closet updates on her flickr

>>6520134
lololol i know

just leaving this here. must be pretty sick.

>>6520945
I mean come on. You don't have to flat out admit you were ignoring the people wanting help or updates or some sort of response, but come up with a better excuse than "I'VE BEEN SERIOUSLY ILL" when you've been updating tumblr and prancing about in lolita

>>6520945
Is that...a cosplay of Lil Mama?

>>6521065
No, she bought the Lil Mama dress on ebay

>>6520806
Thanks anyway!
Also, I kind of want to see Maiko's ugly lil mama dress in a coord.

>>6521081
>Maiko's ugly lil mama dress in a coord.

I think you misread the past few posts, dear! Wonderfinch is the one claiming serious illness as the reason for her noncommunication (despite evidence of her dressing up in lolita, going out, blogging about her auction exploits, going crazy with some crafts...) and the one who bought the dress.

>>6521081

The anon above me is correct. Maiko would NEVER be able to fit in that ever. She's a beast.

bump

>>6520134
Did she delete that? Caps?

>>6523758
No? It's still there.

>>6521086
Nope. I am not mistaken, I just didn't separate my points enough for you to understand.
I am interested in D_C.
I am also interested in Wonderfinch and that dress.

>>6524795
>Also, I kind of want to see Maiko's ugly lil mama dress in a coord.

But you said
>Also, I kind of want to see Maiko's ugly lil mama dress in a coord.
>Maiko's

it's not Maiko's dress

Where does WF live?

Apparently she is so sick she is offering to do a SS for lucky packs from AP SF

re reading the maiko stuff on getoffegl
christ jesus what a bitch
the amount of money she's thrown into flux is astounding

>>6525019
hmm sounds like a certain landwhale in Japan we all know and hate.

>>6525019
California.. presumably close enough to SF to do a shopping service. But yeah, the 'seriously ill' was bullshit. She mentioned she likely had strep throat on her Tumblr... yeeet... she was able to go to the movies like 3 days afterward, blogging about her purchases, taking pictures, etc. But she couldn't send people an email/respond to messages/respond to comments about maiko in the week before or after that/ Mmmkay.

>>6525087
You mean you know and hate, fuck off.

>>6525121
I know she lives in CA but IIRC, not near SF since she had to fly there for the anniversary tea party

Another new post on LSE. Still no payment.

>>6527141
lol@ the people who are still talking to her as if she is actively responding and trying to help people

>>6527141
cap?

Holy shit. I've been gone for a month and this mess is still going on? Girl has some bad fucking karma stacked up against her.

now roseaire is scamming too with western union

>>6528314

>>6515103
What day is the tea party? Saturday?

>>6528377
Lolno. Go away vendettachan. Maiko shitposters aren't going to come to your rescue and fling baseless claims without evidence like you do. cgl isn't your personal army.

evidence on getoffegl

>>6532886
You mean the evidence of "She wasn't able to get me something on a tight deadline" and the other girl who isn't telling the whole story and will probably be mysteriously quiet after rosaire commented to her?

>>6532893
"She never went to AP and had talked about keeping some of my money" was juicy

>>6532893
lingozero made herself look like an idiot when rosaire proved the whole matter began and ended within 7 days. What a fucking impatient moron.

>>6532997
trample clothing is furious they didn't get a rare item to scalp

>>6532997
She even invented a skirt that rosaire bought in the mysterious second week that didn't even exist, Lingozero deserves the gtfo more than rosaire.

>>6533032
I think people are so desperate to get in on drama that they make anything up so they'll have something to stay. It's like the Salem Witch trials, once one person accuses someone of something, then everyone comes out of the wood work to denounce the accused and say what horrible thing was done to them too, even if its just "They stepped on my foot this one time!!"

>>6533041
This sounds about right. But a company attacking an individual shopping service with a story riddled with lies that could easily be proven wrong? Did she want to make Trample Clothing look worse than they already do?

>>6533048
Does anyone actually buy anything from Trample Clothing?

I am assuming she still hasn't paid anyone

>>6537429
Nope.

I'm curious to know if she showed her face at ALA

>>6537516
i hope she did and i also hope someone put his fist through it

Rosaire thread is gone, was it baleeted?

>>6537760
Yep, janitor.

>>6537760
Probably, since it's not about a scammer and janitors tend to delete singling out threads about lolitas (although they might leave other drama threads up). Shame, but I can understand why, anyway. I just feel a twist in my stomach when I think about this, though, especially since I popped over to octavekitten's twitter and she's just tweeting away about what a "great day" she had yesterday... like... wow, you lied out of your ass to fuck with someone's business and you don't care at all, do you? Absolutely no shame or remorse. Disgusting.

>>6537904
Right? My favorite thing is how they're all over LJ commenting and shit but cannot respond to the claims against them. They're not dumb, they know what is going on.

>>6537904
There's no way that at least one of them hasn't heard about the GTFO, but I doubt that any of them will ever own up to their wrongdoing, because there simply isn't a mature way to admit you tried to fuck over a former friend.

semi related to the rosaire thread

http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/20336226.html?thread=362919522#t362919522
Looks like infiniteneeya has a user pulling a dandelion_cloud on her ass lol

>>6538074
OH man, that was fantastic hahaha

>>6538074
Who is in the wrong, the seller or the potential buyer? I mean if it was me, leaving my paypal would be an indication I would be definitely buying the items.. but it's all a bit of a grey area if someone leaves their paypal as a 'hold' but then changes their mind, I've had that a couple of items with selling where people left their paypal and then asked about sizing, and then went 'no'. I dunno what the best thing to do is.

>>6538211
It depends on the seller's terms. But personally, I'd lean towards supporting the potential buyer in this situation. The dress was altered, the seller didn't provide any photos of the alterations so it's perfectly reasonable that someone would want to see how the alteration looks. Also it sounds like the seller just couldn't be bothered to take the photos of it so just went with the second person who didn't request any pics.

>>6538211
In this situation Id side with the seller.

Her terms stated that the first person to ask for an invoice would receive the item. Just offering your Paypal to hold a place does not apply to that rule.

Many sellers have been burned with people asking a million different questions and then later saying "nvm" even after a PayPal was given. This wastes everyone's time (the seller and other potential buyers).

Plus the print is very popular and her prices are a steal, since she is discounting it heavily due to the alteration. Seems like the first buyer is bitching cause she missed out on a great deal because she hesitated

I don't care for the rosaire and the 3 stooges drama over on getoffegl so I'm not white-knighting. I'm also bitter that I missed both etc dresses but you don't see me complaining on her sales post!

>>6538211
I think she's an absolute cow after the Rosaire drama but I'm on her side with this.
It's a sellers personal decision who to sell to based on their terms; it's not Sales-Comm mods decision. The buyers whole attitude rubbed me the wrong way. Plus she can't even leave feedback as she never bought the item in the first place

>>6538211
>I've had that a couple of items with selling where people left their paypal and then asked about sizing, and then went 'no'

i hate when this happens or when they just change their mind for no real reason.

>>6538256
>Many sellers have been burned with people asking a million different questions and then later saying "nvm" even after a PayPal was given. This wastes everyone's time (the seller and other potential buyers).

This so much. If I have someone willing to pay immediately or someone who wants me to go home, take pictures, and aren't 100% committed to paying the invoice I'm selling to the person who is actually going to buy it.

I've had way too many potential buyers wasting my time asking for hi res pictures or more measurements who back out because they don't actually have money or their mom won't let them buy online. Or they come back 24 hours after the other interested buyers have found somewhere else to spend their money. I just don't have the patience for it anymore.

>>6538074
I don't like this bitch, but I'd have to take her side in this situation

>>6538320
I completely agree with you. The butthurt potential buyer asked for a conditional hold, which could be broken if she didn't like what she saw in the additional pictures. Leaving your Paypal doesn't translate to "invoice me, I want it" unless you explicitly say that, and if she backed out, she knows full well that infiniteneeya could not leave her any bad feedback for doing so, since it was not a true commitment to buy.

This attitude reeks of shit. She's trying to bully infiniteneeya into holding a dress for her until she makes up her mind about the alterations, knowing full well that she can hold the seller hostage and back out based on her conditions at any time.

>>6538074
This is exactly like those people on Angelic Pretty San Francisco's facebook page who said "I HAD IT IN MY CART FIRST I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUY IT"

You don't pay fast, you don't get fast.

>>6538369
I tend to always ask way too many questions.. And then sometimes I'm stuck in the 'I'm not sure' area because I don't know whether the item will look too big or will fit badly, but I don't ever see myself first in line for that item. Oh well sorry for pissing off sellers! It'd be so much easier if these dresses had lots of sizes like high street shops..

>>6538402
like tempest paige?
the butthurt was strong with that post.

>>6538423
>>6538074
these threads both fufill my need for loli drama while still staying within the rules.
i'll have my daily dose of drama yet

>>6538074
infiniteneeya is the same girl that is a bee keeper and was born into old money from the other thread? damn...what a bitch.

>>6538074

Oh wow. I'm definitely siding with infiniteneeya on this one. You can't leave your paypal and then ask a question and act as if that's the same as requesting an invoice - it isn't, it was CONDITIONAL. The assumption is that the buyer would back out if it didn't fit correctly. If she really wanted it, she should have said "I'll take it regardless, but out of curiosity, can you take some extra photos?" or something to that effect. I think the buyer is clearly in the wrong here.

I've had a similar situation arise, where my terms were just-not-explicit enough and it left me with two people vying for the same item. It's REALLY stressful, and it made it necessary for me to make a ridiculously detailed "terms of sale" section anticipating every possible confusion just to make sure it didn't occur again.

>>6538074
Good. She deserves it.

Octavekitten is also selling tonight. Be careful, she might hold your item for a really long time, like almost a whole week.

http://angelicpoodle.livejournal.com/1860249.html

>>6538765
Shes a whore thats why

>>6538074
Man, it sucks to be in either side of the situation in this one. I can see why the buyer is butthurt, but neeya's just covering her ass by invoicing the one who's willing to pay first instead of the one who's still unsure. Diff perspectives of the buyer and the seller etc etc

>>6538765
Like. I just. I just don't understand. Do they have no shame at all for what they did?

>>6538784
Uh this sort of situation happens all the time though

>>6538833
Maybe someone needs to tweet her or something the new gtfo page, unless she's purposely ignoring it.

>>6538834
I know, doesn't make it suck any less for either of them.

>>6538833
they started off saying that the service was admittedly slow but not a scam and rosaire warns people it will be slow

who the hell blew this into ~lies~ and ~deceit~? just because neeya and octave don't want to touch this fucking cgl tarbaby just means they have common sense

>>6538784
There's nothing wrong with invoicing the person who's willing to pay first, even if it's just 'covering your ass', the point is to sell the items.

>>6538771
Because calling someone a whore for leaving an exaggerated review totally makes you the better person.

>>6538883
Sure they started off saying that it was slow, but they're the ones who turned it into ~lies~ and ~deceit~ by lying about the fucking facts, when in fact, it hadn't been slow and communication had been fine.

>>6538871
Most likely, because there's no way they can defend themselves against that kind of evidence, so it's obviously better to not say anything and let people forget about it.

>>6538074
>>6538765

Both of these girls sell items at a great loss and are excellent sellers. The rosarie drama was blasted out of proportion. Clearly, they were not all great friends as people keep insinuating. Criticizing their every move right now is probably why they're staying away from this mess.

"/whiteknight" I'm just sick of this going too far.

>>6538923
>The rosarie drama was blasted out of proportion.

You are a whiteknight. What they did is absolutely disgusting and they deserve the shit they are getting for it, especially since they don't have the balls to man up to what they did and are now skipping around online and ignoring it. They had no problem running to getoffegl to lie about their experience with her--suddenly they're too busy?

>>6538883
>who the hell blew this into ~lies~ and ~deceit~?

Uhh they did when they lied about what happened.

>>6538923
no, i'd say the proportion is about right for their popularity. ppl were itching in the wardrobe thread to find something wrong with neeya. oh here's something.

i bet her bees are mexican

>>6538943
Absolutely disgusting? When I first read their comments I saw them saying, "Yeah, slow but definitely not a scammer." Disgusting is when you leave orange peels in someone's package or shut down the feedback DB because you're have a bitchfit. At best they got some facts wrong and are staying out of it, at worst they botched an attempt to completely discredit rosaire by saying she's not a scammer.

>>6538944
-illegal- mexican bees

>>6538944
It's funny, because the only reason this really hasn't blew up on getoffegl is BECAUSE of their popularity. You and everyone all know that if this was rabbit777, tiferet, or anyone else with a poor reputation (aka, fat + bitchy + shitty at lolita instead of pretty + bitchy + great wardrobes) there would be nothing left but ashes by now. But because it's them? "omg ug aiz blowing this out of proportion just cus they're popular~!!"

>>6538955
no, the reason it hasn't blown up on getoffegl is because it's dead in spite of efforts to resuscitate it

>>6538955
Fuckin' this.

>>6538957
I'd say that unless people had dug up evidence of them lying, it'd be a pretty good attempt, because the attitude of the posts were, "Eh, she's not a scammer, but she's slow and I wouldn't use her again," (while providing false evidence) and people would have listened because they have good reputations, and Rosaire probably would have lost out on business.

>>6538957
>worst they botched an attempt to completely discredit rosaire by saying she's not a scammer.

They attempted to discredit her by LYING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. This is not "got some facts wrong." It's called lying. How do you go from getting a hat almost a week before you leave, posting pictures of said hat TO ROSAIRE HERSELF, and having time to alter it to--"oh it took sooo long I was sooo worried I had to nag her and it only arrived the morning I left for my event and she knewwwww I had this event and that's so unprofessional!"

>>6538971
Exactly. Just because they didn't say she was a scammer doesn't mean they didn't lie and doesn't mean what they did is any less fucked up. They deliberately lied and, in neeya's case at the very very very best way to look at it, misrepresented what happend with rosaire. This is a fact. There is evidence. It's not "okay" just because they didn't say she was a scammer. You can ruin someone's reputation by saying that they are slow or that they made you worried because it took them forever to ship, when in fact "a very long time" was 4 days during which there was communication.

>>6538943
I'm really not denying they lied about it but they basically have choices once people saw they exaggerated/lied: 1) argue to the death and look far worse 2) apologize to an internet of anons burning them at the stake 3) lay low and refrain from fanning the flames.

People want them to respond so the drama can continue.

>>6538996
>1) argue to the death and look far worse

Argue to death about what?

>2) apologize to an internet of anons burning them at the stake

Speaking of exaggerations--calling them out for what they did is not burning them at the stake.

>3) lay low and refrain from fanning the flames.

Then they are knowingly ignoring the issue and further damaging their reputations.

I want them to respond because I want them to own up to their actions. Or at least apologize to rosaire, but considering that they did this to fuck with her business in the first place and have no moral qualms about doing so, I doubt they'd ever have the humility to do it.

>>6538955
>>6538962

People don't understand that its not simply popularity. They are friends with TONS OF PEOPLE as in actual friends all over the communities. People aren't getting into because if you are friends with them you can be like "yikes its a bit much that they lied about it" but since you have been friends with them for years you're not going to immediately be like "OH SHIT FUCK BURN THE WITCHES" You just back off and assume there is more to it behind the scenes.

This is why no one is commenting because people know they as good people not just because they follow their tumblr/blog/whatever

>>6539012
derp my grammer and spelling

>>6539012
Popularity has nothing to do with friends huh? Wow, that's super interesting.

>>6539012
>This is why no one is commenting because people know they as good people not just because they follow their tumblr/blog/whatever
> You just back off and assume there is more to it behind the scenes.

You're like a textbook definition of the person that looks the other way when their friends are assholes because "omg you don't know them like I do!! It doesn't matter that you have evidence they blatantly lied in an attempt to hurt someone's reputation, they're really good people~~"

It is not saying BURN THE WITCHES to call these fucking people out. Quit it with that shit.

also lol wat. You basically just agreed that it is about popularity. Because they have a lot of friends and are well liked, people look the other way when they are caught lying to hurt someone's business reputation.

>>6539055
Just came by just to say you are right

>>6539012
That's... actually what popularity means, dear. They are so popular that people are shrugging and saying 'oh well, so what, it's not a big deal' despite the fact that they lied--this isn't conjecture, but a fact--about what happened with this SS. The only reason for this would be to mess with her reputation. But because they have friends and because they are popular in the community, it's 'ahhh well, c'mon, this is like a witch hunt, chill out...'

If rabbit did this it would be a completely different matter. I wouldn't be surprised if people would call for her to be banned or reprimanded on the sales community for lying about a SS. But again, because they are friends with TONS OF PEOPLE, it gets pushed under the rug.

No, the reason octavekitten is a bitch is because she used a cap about rosaire not shipping due to a family emergency that involved the attempted murder of her sister, to prove that rosaire is ~so slow~ and uses bullshit ~excuses~ and ~lies~. If anything, she needs to apologize about that because that makes her look like a gigantic cunt.

Rosaire only had a so-so reputation to begin with (taking a long time to ship, giving excuses, problems with communication) so what they said, even it it wasn't completely true, wasn't anything that hadn't been said before.

>>6539084
Actually, I never heard anything bad about her service except from the obsessive vendetta anon. The trio of liars comments were the first time I heard she had problems with communication or took a long time to ship from anyone with an account/not a sockpuppet.

And what they said was not only not "completely true," it was false. She did not take a long time to ship. She did not have problems with communication. Excuses are subjective--who are you to say an 'excuse' isn't a reason? If someone has an emergency or has something come up and someone isn't able to ship--but is still well within their given time frame--then it isn't a problem, just a slight annoyance that someone will be getting an item a day or so later.

>>6539084
>had a so-so reputation to begin with

http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/1494907.html#comments

>the worst comments are "she was honest about the possibility of a shipping delay because of an illness" and "due to health issue she was unable to ship quickly (but that was fine and understandable). When I mentioned that I'll be leaving on a 3 week business trip soon, she went and shipped the belt via EMS voluntarily, which was amazingly generous of her."
>multiple people mention great communication

so.. where is this mysterious trove of comments describing her poor communication or so-so service?

>>6539105
too afraid to comment and get attacked by her and her friends.

>>6539108
I'm pretty sure everyone's already said this, but if it happened and there's proof of it, there's nothing to fucking be scared of.

>>6539108
Where has anyone ever gotten attacked by her and her friends for leaving honest feedback? I'll take screencaps or links, your choice.

>>6539112
do you read any of these threads? it's like talia 2.0

>>6539055
Yes, I'm agreeing that it can be about friends. Yep. I'm just trying to make the distinction that its not just about how many followers or fangirls someone has unless they are also actual friends.

>>6539119
I repeat: Where has anyone ever gotten attacked by her and her friends for leaving honest feedback? I'll take screencaps or links, your choice.

Octavekitten, lingozero, and infiniteneeya lied about their experience. They were not attacked for posting genuine feedback. They weren't even attacked when they posted their fake feedback! In fact, people were saying "oh see, wowww, I knew she pulled this stunt!"

>>6539076

See

>>6539121

Popularity can refer to fangirls or followers not necessarily irl friends. I'm attempting to make that distinction, dear.

>>6539126
But in this case, they are popular because they have "LOTS OF FRIENDS." The reason that people like you are shrugging and saying oh well, they didn't say she was a scammer, c'est la vie~ Is because you are her friend. That's what popularity does for them. They can do whatever they want to another person in the community and it's fine.

>>6539105
>>6539124

Its not a mysterious trove of comments. People refer SS and talk in places that are not EGL and CGL. Rosarie has only now opened her SS in full force but she has had it going on a small scale for years now. Multiple anons here are saying she has a rep for bad service and it has been a persistent enough comment to warrant some shred of truth.

Attanariva has perfect feedback.
Maikodolly has perfect feedback.

>>6539136
I should clarify before people think I'm directly comparing rosarie to sketch attan or scam maiko. Its just showing that perfect feedback for egl-comm-sales specific comments doesn't mean people don't know or remember issues with a seller.

>>6539136
>Multiple anons here are saying she has a rep for bad service and it has been a persistent enough comment to warrant some shred of truth.

I...

Do you work for Fox News? Repeating something over and over does not make it true. Maiko had perfect feedback before she fucked people over. Maiko did not scam people bit by bit--it was an all at once deal.

For all the anons who claim to have had horrible experiences with her, there isn't evidence that she provided poor service. Not a link to a thread, not a cap of something on Facebook, a cap of an email... *something* to give credence to their experience. All we have is one or more people who have been all but literally hounded her on /cgl/ claiming she's scammed people and all other sorts of shit without any evidence.

>>6539139
But crying "omg she is a slow shipper, she is a bad ss!" and "omg she shipped my items late!" when these things are stated in her terms doesn't make her a bad ss. I don't understand why we are still arguing this when 3 obvious friends seemed to have plotted to destroy her business and reputation. That deserves much more attention than shipping late seeing as she didn't actually scam anyone.

>>6539144
>I don't understand why we are still arguing this when 3 obvious friends seemed to have plotted to destroy her business and reputation.

Because whiteknighting and vendetta chan. If you make it about how rosaire is crazy and "omg slow shipper!" then you're detracting from the fact, the f-a-c-t that these three lied about what happened between them and rosaire in an effort to decrease her reputation.

>>6539156
And this, jfc >>6539080

>>6539143
Are people going to come forward after this? Nooooope. There was even a recent btb post saying someone doesn't leave neg/neut because they dont want the drama. And why would someone give caps to this when Rosarie reads these threads and can hold a grudge against that person? Whether they reuse her service or not what does someone gain from that. Nothing. Other than satisfying the need for drama here or showing what people already know: that she was not a perfect service before this.

She ships slow and is weird about some other things but people aren't going to make a fuss. That is all I am saying. Not saying the 3lie thing was okay!

>>6539144
Not saying she is a scammer or that the 3lie thing is less important that her service reviews.

I'm supporting the other commenters
>>6539084
saying she was not a perfect person before this.

>>6539162
No one is a perfect person. You are never going to get 100% satisfaction from 100% of people using a service. Never. Now everyone will nitpick every little thing she does and her business probably will end thanks to the trolls on /cgl/ and the 3 Liars.

>>6539162
>Are people going to come forward after this? Nooooope.

Why not? In this case, the people with "bad experiences" lied about it. If someone isn't lying, they have nothing to fear. Now, if there are screencaps which can prove they're full of shit then yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that they would refuse to come forward. But if not, then it's no one's fault but their own that they won't post about their experience. Stop trying to turn a legitimate situation about three people lying to hurt her reputation into some strawman about the supposed high amount of people just wringing their hands in teh wings because golly gosh they were sooo going to come forward with evidence but they won't now!

You keep saying she had a poor reputation... but what evidence is there except "if you repeat it enough times, that makes it true!"?

>>6539162
>She ships slow

Except her terms say she ships slow, so anyone who bitches about that doesn't have a valid complaint.

What is this scam all about?

I don't frequent /cgl/ much

>>6539175
Vendetta-chan being unable to remove the giant stick up their ass.

>>6539171
To repeat: I'm not going to get caps and people are not going to come forward to stick themselves in the drama. This thread is mostly our argument but past threads had other commenters and one (maybe two if you insinuate?) above here which I already quoted. You're vehemently defending that there is no one else saying this when other people have commented about it.

I'm not getting caps and you're not going to stop defending.

captch: FANTASTICKS then something I cant type haha

>>6539186
>had other commenters and one (maybe two if you insinuate?) above here which I already quoted.

You mean the commenter that said "She shipped within her designated timeframe and didn't do anything wrong but I still didn't like the transaction and wanted to leave a negative but now I'm scared wahh rosaire whiteknights"?

So basically, yeah. You can't prove it happened and you're acting like a Fox News anchor.

>>6539184
Two sides wanting to pick a fight thats all no point in attacking/defending her.

This is boredom at its finest

>>6538943
You sound so much like rosaire right now.

inb4 HI VENDETTACHAN
I know neeya and kitten got caught doing something semi-bad, but your revenge witch hunt is going a little too far, now.

You're absolved, give up the grudge.

>>6539204
I'm not rosaire. But you need to believe that, I'm sure, because you can't live knowing that people will call your ass out.

>I know neeya and kitten got caught doing something semi-bad

You think that deliberately lying about someone in an attempt to hurt their business is "semi-bad"? Are you brain damaged? And don't forget lingozero.

Octavekitten, lingozero, and infiniteneeya are liars and bitches who tried to mess with someone's reputations for petty bullshit.

>>6539204
Hi, I am rosaire. I don't hold a grudge against any of them. They were my friends, or so I thought. I'm hurt they would do something like this.

The reason why people "aren't commenting" about the situation is because it's stupid and blown out of proportion and it's much easier to bitch about popular girls where no one can see you doing it than put in your two cents under your own name.

The reason why everyone is making such a big deal out of it on here is precisely because they're popular lolitas, and them having any semblance of legitimate drama is OH SO EXCITING to the peasants who wish people loved them and were shityourpants jelly over their wardrobe.

Yeah they acted a little bratty and exaggerated and it was bad, I won't deny it, but they don't deserve to be burned at the stake and chased out of the community for it. It's not maiko level shitty. But you want them to get their shit wrecked, because the only reason why we build the e-famous girls up is to knock them the fuck down to make ourselves feel better.

>>6539136
>Rosarie has only now opened her SS in full force but she has had it going on a small scale for years now.
Rosaire deleted/changed at lease 2 egl feedback pages, karasu and lacetreasures, because it has less than perfect feedback.

>>6539242
>OH SO EXCITING to the peasants who wish people loved them and were shityourpants jelly over their wardrobe.

How melodramatic. Lol.

>but they don't deserve to be burned at the stake and chased out of the community for it. It's not maiko level shitty.

And somehow rosaire did deserve it? Somehow her situation was "maiko level shitty" when people couldn't even prove it and had to lie and exaggerate just to even sound like they had a legitimate negative experience?

If you don't feel like they deserve to be shamed, fine. But you sound incredibly biased and just because they're popular and have wardrobes shouldn't mean shit.

>>6539242
who are you to say that? These girls have done some pretty ugly shit in the past behind closed doors but always get away with it because they're popular or friends with the mods. I sware, you lolitas are so stupid.

>>6539242
I literally laughed! You win the best whiteknighting comment!

"It doesn't matter that they flat-out lied in order to tarnish her business reputation! You only think it does because you're a jelly peasant <3333"

bravo, anon. Bravo.

>>6539250
Nope. She changed her username from lacetreasures to rosaire, meaning that her feedback from lacetreasures is now listed under 'rosaire.' The lacetreasures account was not deleted.

>>6539250
When people started accusing me of doing this (going from karasu to LT) I came on here and told people that I did it to avoid someone who had been sending me threats of rape and death every single day to my LJ account. If I blocked them they would just make a new account. The old page should still be there.

On the other hand, if you have proof of this bad feedback I was trying to escape by changing from karasu to LT, I would love to see it.

>>6539291
http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/293706.html

Is this it?

if so GASP LOOK AT ALL THAT BAD FEEDBACK

>>6539299
Statements about slow shipping go back 2-3 years. She has always been known for this.

>>6539354
Yep! But no bad feedback. No one cared enough about slight delays in shipping to leave neutral or attempt to leave a negative and she now indicates that shipping may be slow in her service terms. But again, she didn't run from bad feedback.

>>6539369
I like how all the vchans shut up when presented with proof.

>>6539426
what else can they do? except come back a little while later grasping at another straw, I suppose.

>>6539193
lol no

I quoted this comment
>>6539084

In this thread
>>6539162

Good job ignoring everyone else here also saying her service was not perfect.

>>6539438
BUT SHE'S FAT AND LIED ABOUT DRINKING A BEER!!!!

Also lol at everyone now calling people saying her feedback (maybe not written but known) is less than awesome "vendettachans"

For all the talk of us whiteknighting o&i you are all seriously pigheaded thinking we're building a conspiracy.

>>6539452
No one is saying her service is perfect because no service is perfect. You, however, are saying that there are people with legitimate complaints about her service... yeeet... they can't provide any evidence of said legitimate complaints. There are some comments in her older feedback saying that there was a delay with shipping, but no one had such a problem with her service that they left her even a neutral--and this was months or even YEARS before this incident, so why would they be "afraid" before then?

"Everyone else here" again, meaning people (and I say people to be polite, not because I don't think it's a samefag) without any evidence but repeatedly saying that she gave poor service.

>>6539468
>(maybe not written but known)

You can shout SHE TOTALLY GAVE SHITTY SERVICE until the cows come home, but unless you can provide tangible evidence, then no1curr.

People can, however, provide links to feedback where people--even when there were shipping delays--were fine with her service. So what should people believe? That there's just mountains of evidence that you nor anyone else can produce of her providing poor service so much that she has a reputation for it... orrrr that she has occasional shipping problems that she has repeatedly done favors to make up for (such as sending something EMS out of her own pocket) and, outside of a few issues bound to crop up with any seller, her service is fine?

>>6539474
She should have done that for lingozero since she took so long to ship that it wouldn't make it in time.

>>6539481
Except lingozero didn't tell rosaire that there was a deadline before she placed her order. She also shouldn't have agreed that it was okay as long as the item was in the mail BY January 3rd, then claimed that rosaire promised to have the item in the mail the next day. In any case, rosaire offered her a refund as soon as it was clear lingozero didn't want to abide by her earlier "it's okay to send it airmail BY January third" statement.

>>6539491
to clarify, she didn't tell rosaire that there was a deadline before 2 weeks.

>>6539468
My favorite is how even after it was pointed out that her eglfeedback contains numerous examples of her shipping out late the whiteknights stick their fingers in their ears and continue to scream about how OMG NOT PROOF DOESN'T MATTER GIVE SCREENCAPS!!1

I'm sure I'm not the only one who came in with a neutral POV and still don't see rosaire as totally innocent, but apparently we're all vendettachans conspiring to kill her dog and ruin her life.

>>6539481
Except she offered that and lingozero said no. Did you read the caps at all?

>>6539493
>contains numerous examples of her shipping out late

Why don't we look at those eglfeedback examples?

Two from 2012 on lacetreasures:

http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/1494907.html?thread=23822459#t23822459
>she was honest about the possibility of a shipping delay because of an illness.

This comment was about a transaction from a sales post where she stated IN THE POST ITSELF IN BOLD LETTERING that she would probably be shipping late. http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/17506287.html?thread=314052591#t314052591

>due to health issue she was unable to ship quickly (but that was fine and understandable). When I mentioned that I'll be leaving on a 3 week business trip soon, she went and shipped the belt via EMS voluntarily, which was amazingly generous of her

And oh hey, this was from a sales post (http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/19813944.html#t356307768)) which stated at the top: "*I am a notoriously slow shipper, mainly due to my poor health. I usually ship within two weeks of receipt of payment. If you need your item(s) by a certain date, please tell me in advance." and she EMSed the item out of her own pocket when she found out the person was leaving.

So please, do tell me again where there is evidence of her poor service when in both cases in 2012, she let people know there would be shipping delays before they even purchased.

>>6539506
Fat doesn't count as being sick.

>>6539517
Lol vendettachan, we knew you couldn't keep up the facade for very long.

>>6539519
Show proof she's actually sick then.

>>6539525
I'm not indulging your bs, sweet vendetta anon.

It doesn't matter if she was sick from the flu or a smallpox inoculation. She told people up front before they even laid down their paypal email that there would be shipping delays. Those are the ONLY comments about shipping in her lacetreasures feedback--two--and they aren't negative, just describing the experience in more detail. There are a grand total of TWO comments about shipping in her karasu feedback and in both cases the buyers said she kept up with communication and in one case she gave them a small gift for the trouble. And in BOTH cases, they said they would recommend her and buy from her again.

Get over it.

is it ironic or just hilarious that the more vendetta!anon tries to make rosaire look bad, the better she looks because the actual evidence shows that she lets people know about shipping delays, upped someone to free EMS so they would get a package before leaving for a business trip, etc etc? Even Mai would never let me know when shit was up and I bought a few thousand dollars of stuff from her in a few months.

>>6539540
No proof means it's a lie then. Just using your logic.

>>6539567
No, to use my logic the validity of the feedback would have to hinge on her being sick or not. It doesn't. It hinges on whether or not she informed buyers about the shipping delays, which she did, and the buyers had no problems with said delay.

Your supposed mountains of feedback indicating a problem with her shipping practices doesn't exist. There is no evidence. You can't provide evidence. When asked for details or proof, even the smallest bit, you disappear, run away, or throw out something ridiculous like "SHE'S FAT!! CRAZY!"

There, however, is ample evidence of people being pleased with her service and evidence of octavekitten, lingozero and infiniteneeya lying about their experience to mess with rosaire's reputation.

Them's the facts. Sorry that your attempt to rile /cgl/ and getoffegl up against rosaire didn't work. Maybe get a life now?

>>6539582
She always uses the excuse that she's sick when she doesn't ship, but she's well enough to stall trannies and closet child. Hmmm

bamp for more dramu and dox

>>6539567
what the fuck is wrong with you? demanding to see "proof" of someone's illness, lol ... what do you want? medical records? doctor's notes? posted for the whole internet to see? oh, yes, you're defnitely entitled to that. pound your fist a little harder. she states upfront that she's a slow shipper because she's ill. whether she is or not, you know what you're getting yourself into, so you can take it or leave it.

>>6539795
because if she is lying this is much worse than what those 3 girls did.

>>6539055
>You're like a textbook definition of the person that looks the other way when their friends are assholes because "omg you don't know them like I do!! It doesn't matter that you have evidence they blatantly lied in an attempt to hurt someone's reputation, they're really good people~~"
>It is not saying BURN THE WITCHES to call these fucking people out. Quit it with that shit.

This is really interesting considering I got shit for defending Rosaire and calling out infiniteneeya for her shit right from the start before any of this came out and blew up.

Ah well.

i want more caps of roseaire's drunken antics. i wonder if she will lie again about it lolol

>>6539915
I doubt this. Rosaire's argument is now turned into so what i had a beer? Doesnt matter I lied about it derppu can we focus on girls who complained about my ss plz thx

>>6539919
>girls who complained
>girls who blatantly lied
fix'd

bamp

>>6539919
nobody cares that she lied about having a beer. lying about having a beer has nothing to do with her SS.

Lying about her ss--which, btw, they didn't even use as a traditional SS but as favors between friends--is not "complaining" about her SS. Fuck off with your vendetta.

>>6539986
They weren't even friends, dumbass

>>6539986
Rosaire thought they were. Or she thought they were close enough that doing them a favor (and even offering to ship something EMS even though it would give her a 1500 loss) was fine.

>>6539994
I still don't understand why the 3 lied.

>>6540428
Seems like something personal. I can't think of any other reason to deliberately lie about your experience. Honestly, and I'm sure it's getting a little conspiracy theory, but I think the dreamy horoscope account is one of the three. It seems awfully coincidental that all three of them, who are friends as well, posted in a similar timeframe with doctored experiences. If just one person was lying, okay... but... all three? At the same time? Same post? Very strange indeed.

>>6539994
She was friends with octavekitten though. She went and got that hat and additional decorations out of her own pocket and was reimbursed for it later.

So did anyone see maiko at ALA like she was supposedly going to be?

lingozero replied and nothing of value was learned.

>>6540879
Where on earth is she seeing all these supposed comments about trample clothing? idek. And why the random post about their partnership which isn't in the OP's post at all and has no bearing on her changing what really happened?

but I do like that she confirmed with her own caps that rosaire said she would have it shipped out "soon" and that lingozero didn't tell her she had a deadline but then tried to guilt trip/pressure her by saying "well I told my colleagues about this, sooooo..."

>>6540968
She damned herself lol

Can't wait for the secrets about this.

New thread >>6541641