/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Oh, and old thread here: >>6453139

Scam threads are okay since it's keeping people from losing their money, and not just drama for drama's sake.

>>6467171
Apparently the janitors/mods don't think so, despite the fact that moot said it was okay. They deleted the last three maiko threads I made and banned me for three days because of the "singling out" rule

The way wonderfinch has handled this is bothering me. First "oh I know the true story" is actually "I asked Maiko and believe what she told me" and now "oh well, I guess tell Paypal what happened and contact the authorities.." instead of... "oh hey maybe I should update because SHE IS FILING CHARGEBACKS AGAIN"

No one posted this updated thread in the LSE yet?

Then again it's shit.

>>6467195
I think some people are worried now because of the whiteknights in LSE

Well, if there's a lesson to be learned here... go to the police as soon as it happens and never trust anything Wonderfinch says.

>>6467166
I was under the impression that the chargebacks for the refunds were a result of her dropping so much money at once and it being an automatic Paypal thing? Has it been confirmed that she herself filed them?

lace treasure still hasn't send out my damn puppet theater dress

>>6467239
That's what she wants people to believe, so they will think she is innoccent

>>6467239
According to a comment on the updated LJ page, that's not what happened.
>Paypal additionally is asking me to provide information relating to the case. In the email paypal said that *SHE* filed the case

Just an interested non-lolita bystander here but I am a bank auditor.

If this Maiko uses a US based bank and the charge dispute originated at the bank rather than via PayPal it would have to have been manually initiated by the account holder. It would have been multiple disputes filed in writing with the bank who would then provisionally credit her account and take a minimum of ten days to investigate. Mistaken chargebacks just don't happen on the bank level.

This is funny to me, because a few years ago, I had an issue with chargebacks and Paypal. I had a credit card stolen, reported it, and had all the transactions for the last few months stopped. Well, this reversed quite a few Paypal payments as well. I can tell you from firsthand experience that Paypal makes it extremely difficult to fix this mistake. Even with the CC company involved, they are absolute idiots. They make you jump through hoops, sit around for hours on the phone, get NOTARIZED documentation that you want the chargebacks reversed (which costs $$ for each document btw), etcetc. Plus, they close your Paypal account for good once your CC company gets involved. So you have to go and create a new Paypal account if you want to "repay" people. But you can't use the same bank info or they will close the new account too. It's crazy.

I was immediately banned after multiple chicks reported the chargebacks. My situation was definitely not treated with this amount of patience. And the mods from both comms sure as hell didn't care that people were passing around my number and address.

Do you see where I'm going with this? It's a pain in the ass that occupies all the time you have before and after work. All the while getting harassed by a community of bitches who think you scammed them. Hello?? Calling me with death threats doesn't make me want to fix the situation. FYI, I paid my CC company for all the Paypal transactions when I had them removed from my fraud claim. And some chicks still said they never saw their $$. I guess it just ended up limbo? Electronic money that just disappears...

Anyway, I don't use Paypal and I don't shop on the egl comm, even though I have a new account. Because both are stupid with how they handle this kind of shit. I buy only through shopping services and sell through online consignment.

>>6467285
Taken that she's American and that her initial story was that PayPal withdrew due to suspicious activities, then her bank withdrawing on it's own because of identity theft, it's damn obvious that she filed disputes claiming someone stole her identity and bought shit online under an account of hers (or her aunt/grandma/mother).

I'd find it rather concerning if you bought things yourself and the bank just decided to revert everything because it's ~so suspicious~. Unless it was property on a name in a different state, I doubt the bank gives a damn if you spend $50000 in an ice cream store seven towns over.

Sage because ranting about people still being stupid enough to believe her story.

>>6467293
Very few banks actively monitor for suspicious activity and when they do it's a service the account holder has to opt into and pay for monthly.

Small banks send disputes to their processors who go on to deal with the credit card company. Large banks process disputes themselves to the same extent. In either case the account holder (not their brother or grandmother) has to initiate a dispute in person and the bank reserves the right to retract any funds provisionally credited to the account holder should they determine no fraud occurred.

It all really now sounds a little too convoluted and complicated that it makes me question whether she'd really stick her head this far in this place given that I'm sure she's aware that people have already contacted authorities.

Then again in another board today there was the girl saying she's a paid escort to pay for lolita while still having a boyfriend.

>>6467251
it's obvious you're the same vendettafag who can't speak english on these threads, get the fuck out

>>6467279
but that's in relation to what she paid back so who even knows

>>6467293
Yeah, clearly a BANK AUDITOR doesn't know what they're talking about and just wants to side with Maiko for teh lelz xD xD xD

>>6467307
Wut? Where did that bank auditor side with Maiko? Is there something going on here that I don't understand?

>>6467311
>sage because people are still stupid enough to believe her story

What so just because the auditor person brought up a legit process that happens inside the banks, they must be stupid and must believe Maiko? You need to calm down.

>>6467291
>I was immediately banned after multiple chicks reported the chargebacks. My situation was definitely not treated with this amount of patience. And the mods from both comms sure as hell didn't care that people were passing around my number and address.

What mods was this under?

>>6467291
>FYI, I paid my CC company for all the Paypal transactions when I had them removed from my fraud claim. And some chicks still said they never saw their $$.

That's some shady shit right there! Sorry this happened to you anon. I think shopping on the egl comm is pretty stupid too.

>>6467291
You're either mabet or redaznfox.

Wasnt siding with anyone. My point was just to let everyone know that banks very very rarely randomly start reversing charges. They don't take actions against fraud unless the account holder initiates them. If Maiko says her bank reversed multiple charges due to suspected fraud without her consent, she's lying.

>>6467325
That is true actually. Usually that's the way I knew about it, that you had to inform the back and they had to have a reason from you and consent.

PayPal directly links to a credit card or bank account. Chargebacks are filed by the purchaser with the issuer of the credit card, paypal's only part in this is holding the funds to give the seller a chance to dispute the chargeback.

If the chargeback stands the cost of the item is debited from the seller's account. If the chargeback is disproven the funds are released to the seller. The issuer of the credit card used by the purchaser (following me?) would be the one to initiate a chargeback reversal if the original chargeback was done in error. This would debit the buyer's bank account/credit credit card the amount of the item which balances the credit applied to the seller's PayPal account when the chargeback was overturned.

Tl;dr a bank or credit card usually only reverses a chargeback when PayPal gives them evidence the chargeback was in error or if the purchaser requests the chargeback be cancelled. PayPal does not initiate the reversal of a chargeback. Also, don't use PayPal.

>>6467307
...the bank auditor didn't side with Maiko. They outright said the BANK didn't do this, the ACCOUNT HOLDER did. And the other anon agreed with them that Maiko's stories had to be false.

Reading comprehension. What is it?

>>6467291
>a few years ago
>involved two comms
>immediately banned
>some girls still said they didn't get their money

You know, if this actually happened it would be documented or people would remember it happening. Proof please, otherwise it sounds way too much like Maiko's current situation to be considered real.

>>6467291
>And some chicks still said they never saw their $$. I guess it just ended up limbo? Electronic money that just disappears...

1. Chargeback happens, PayPal freezes account of people you purchased from or debits cost of goods sold from their account. Same amount of money is provisionally returned to your account
2. You tell bank to reverse chargeback. Bank notifies PayPal.
3. Bank takes money back out of your account
4. PayPal is SUPPOSED to return money to the seller's account.
5. PayPal keeps their money, your bank is off the hook and dispute is now between PayPal and the seller. No federal or consumer protection agency is currently able/willing to go after them for being shitheads.
6. Seller gets screwed
7. Don't use PayPal.

Bawwditor, I really dislike using paypal but what are safe alternatives?
Ones that apply to buyers and sellers globally.

>>6467379
There honestly aren't many. Google Wallet charges the same for merchant processing as PayPal and has less of a history of ripping people off.

After reading more about this situation, something definitely stinks.

Even if chargebacks were mistakenly done on Maiko's behalf by her credit card company she should not directly be refunding anyone. That's the entire point of having a credit card..they would give her back the money (incorrectly), PayPal would take the same amont from the sellers and then the credit card and PayPal would work together to figure out what happened. Then once they figured out that the chargeback was an error and the items were received by Maiko the credit card company would refund PayPal, PayPal would refund the sellers and the credit card company would reverse the money added to Maiko's account.

There's absolutely no reason Maiko should be having people contact her in order to givemoney back one by one through another account.

...unless she hasnt actually notified her credit card company that the chargeback was an error. In that case PayPal and the credit card company would have to figure out what happened on their own. Which means the sellers would be in limbo for a while and likely get shorted in the end.

>>6467398
Exactly, that's why people were wary of her refunds from the third party accounts. At some point, the chargebacks should have been reversed, and the sellers would have double the money, unless they closed the dispute over the first transaction. But that concession would leave them with a second transaction with no shipped goods related to it, and it would be even easier to chargeback than the first one.

>>6467362
This. I've been in the community for about 6 years and I'm always vigilant of scams/bad sellers/buyers. Never heard of this case.

>>6467431
An admin needs to get in that LJ thread ASAP and tell everyone that even if she gives you a full refund from whatever account, DO NOT CLOSE THE ORIGINAL DISPUTE. I guarantee you that's the first thing she'll ask people to do once she's paid them.

>>6467385
i heard some people complaining about google wallet. apparently, you have to be a legit business with a business registeration number & etc, otherwise they give you a lot of trouble for not validating that you're safe to buy from or something. i don't recall where i read this though.

>>6467457
Yeah, there are too many trusting people out there who don't understand that PayPal disputes should never be closed until you have your cash or product in-hand. They can't be re-opened.

>>6467385
What about Amazon shopping cart? Can anyone just use that? I recently made a purchase on the sales comm and the seller had me pay through amazon

Can this be a "buyer beware" general? I've worked with some commissioners and both of them fucked up the costums. Stated no policy on fixing mistakes they made and both offered to fix it. Well, sent them emails on them doing just that but I got no word back. So I'm stuck with ill fitted costums that I have to fix myself.

>>6467519
No, these threads need to stay about maiko so people can navigate them easier

>>6467519
Who was it, and where did you hear from them?

I'm kind of curious as to what percentage of sellers who did everything legitimately and didn't accept gift payments still got no help from paypal and needed maiko to manually refund them

>>6467621
I am too, given that the only person I know who was affected by this had it resolved by Paypal pretty quickly. I hope everyone gets their money back, but this was a lesson on not doing payments by gift unless it's a close, trusted friend.

>>6467519
This is about lolita and not cosplay. Make one about cosplay if you feel like.

This is somewhat related - has anyone looked through the albums of Vizual Promotions, a facebook group that's "promoting" Maiko? I've never seen a higher concentration on white girls trying to be Japanese transvestites in my life.

facebook dawt com /VizualPromotions

>I said I was going to submit the verification information that Paypal asked me to submit, they then said after calling twice, that it would take anywhere from 24-78 hours to verify me. I did not file the case, they held the funds. I do not have the funds either. Paypal has them held in limbo. I have done everything Paypal has asked me to, I am waiting on them to release the funds back to everyone now. I recieved word from Paypal that the other side (Not me) needs to contact Paypal, so I would try that. I did not file a claim. and I have also responded to everyone that has messaged me. If Facebook or LJ messages are not going through, please email me at MaikoFantaji@aol.com or my friend who is helping me, if messages do not go through Jinxying@gmail.com

>>6467509
Amazon takes a percentage of what you sell from what I know.

>>6467457
lol admins, at this point I'd be surprised one of them tries to back up Maiko because I know everyone that got involved is frustrated, even Wonderfinch

>>6468998
http://egl.livejournal.com/18936116.html?thread=427996980#t427996980

god wonderfinch, I don't understand... why is she so trusting of his girl who has been caught in numerous lies already???

>>6469234
Needs to be in a "neutral" standpoint?

Sucks that cops can't do shit still.

>>6469242
It's just driving me insane that maiko is caught in blatant lies and wonderfinch is just kind of "oh, gee, how odd" about it.

>>6467291
Mabet? If you are I would love to hear your side of the story

>>6469242
I'm kind of curious now, why haven't they been? I mean, credit card fraud and identity theft are pretty serious. I'd love to see the girl in prison, shit would be hilarious.

>>6468799
>facebook dawt com /VizualPromotions

Oh lordy this shit is hilarious.

So the update as it is now is that Maiko didn't file the claim on that girl, it was Paypal. But Maiko is claiming it'll take 48 hours to clear everything up while Paypal is saying that's rubbish and it only takes 5 minutes.

Someone remind me why none of the girls involved have gone to the police yet.

>>6469557
Again, police did intervene. Police can't do shit unless it gets to an extreme point farther than the current mess.

THIS BS IS SERIOUSLY STILL GOING ON? I'm sorry, but I am beyond mad, and I was not affected by the chargebacks. Can someone give a very quick update from the point where a "friend" who is most likely her bandmate, came and started white-knighting?

And I thought a couple girls DID contact the police? What happeneddddd

>>6469561
Now is this the police that the sellers got involved or the police that Maiko supposedly went to.

>>6468799
>VizualPromotions
What a prime example of less being more.

>>6469715
Same girl with less peroxide, cakey makeup, and shoop.

>>6469717
>peroxide

I son't understand, is peroxide a makeup trick or something?

>>6469761
Assuming it's referring to her hair. As in bleach.

>>6467590
Title says "scammer general" we seriously need two topics about the same thing? You really can't be dicked to read a topic? Either you lolitas are lazy or just stupid.

>>6469761
Peroxide = bleach. For either hair or teeth.

>>6469790
The thread only says "scammer general" because a mod or janitor was going around deleting threads about Maiko in specific, even after moot said it was all right to have threads about specific scams

>>6469798
Title says scammer general, so why not make it so? Do we really need two scammer generals?
Again. You lolitas are either lazy or too stupid to read threads.

>>6469804
Trying to derail the thread won't keep the police off Maiko's back

>>6469836
..are you retarded? Did all that lace shove its way into your brain? Keep talking about her. We both know its stupid to have two "scammer general" threads.

>>6469804
>too stupid to read threads.
>"you lolitas"

oh, you're back. Psst. MAIKO IS GUILTY.

>>6469846
I don't get it. She looks guilty to me, but thats...oh heavens are ladies are retarded.
psst, its not derailing if you ignore the post. Its derailing because you know I'm right.

>>6469847
You're not right. You were told why it's called a "Scammer general" thread. but instead of acknowledging that and moving on, you're being a dumbass.

>>6469867
>>6469867
>its about one person
>its so lolitas can navigate easier
That's not stupid to you? The fact you ladies are apparently dumb as hell and lazy to search for posts about your precious maiko? This is a maiko thread, not a gen. scammer thread.
>dumbas
That's cute.
>omg its herrrr
>omg maiko is gilltyyyy
>title is scammer general but its not because lolitas are too stupid to skim threads

Hurrdurr ok.

>>6469715
>>6469717

Is she wearing circle lenses in these? If not, all my jelly.

>>6469887
While I agree that a true Scammer General thread would be more interesting and more useful, the first line of OP states:
>So the mods don't think we are "singling out" let's just make this thread... "lolita scammer general where the scamming has happened within the last week or so"

Accusing the Lolitas of the thread of not reading or being bloomers-on-head retarded is strictly wrong in this case.

>>6469790
Either you can't read or you're just stupid.

>"lolita scammer general where the scamming has happened within the last week or so"

>>6470054
>>6470224
You guys are defending it being about Maiko with another coat of paint, but the mods aren't that dumb. Just let them talk about other scammers, uninterrupted they'll have nothing to talk about within five posts max, everyone can go back to Maiko, and it won't get deleted.

>>6470260
Why do you care so much? If you want to talk about how you were scammed go make a thread for it. That would actually be more helpful to the people who need to know about who scammed you because it won't get buried under a million Maiko posts and it can get the attention it deserves

These threads usually get up to 300 posts in no time JUST talking about the Maiko situation. We've gone through over 10 already. They are enough of a clusterfuck as it is confined to one topic

From FB sales:

"I will give you screen shots of what my paypal says and from the time of the screenshots I wanted to propose I wait 48 more hours to see if they release the money to everyone. Here is my solution if the money has not been returned within that time, I will give another screenshot showing that the account is still limited that date 48 hours later and post it here saying that they are still holding the money. Then I will propose that I can just send out through snail mail personal checks to everyone. Now, I know that that requires your personal home address and you may not be comfortable with that, but I would rather you get your money finally than having to go through this paypal nonsense. Also, this also means that I would have to call paypal and see if they would cancel these transactions so the money is not in limbo anymore and I also realize this may make some of you uneasy, so I would ask that in a private message and on here those of you I am giving money back to please let me know what you're comfortable with. If you do not want me to send you a personal check and cancel paypal you'll have to wait till paypal is ready, I have done all I can. If you are ok with giving me your address and allowing me to give you a personal check let me know and after the 48 hours I will do so. It's all up to what you're comfortable with, I do not want to just go ahead and cancel the paypal in case some of you want to wait and because I don't want you to think I am canceling to not refund. I will send the screenshots to each individual too and see if i can post the screenshots here."

Her checks better not bounce....

>>6470490
tl;dr
I will make fake screenshots and never give you money on Paypal.
Or you can have the option of me "sending" you personal checks but having them go "missing."

>>6470382
I haven't been, but I care because I want to keep reading this shit without it constantly getting deleted. I'm saying let them talk BECAUSE nobody else has anything to talk about, letting one or two in the 300+ posts be about something else so it doesn't get deleted isn't a big deal.

>>6470518
THIS

Checks are so so so much more unsafe, I hope no one is fooled into this.

>>6469567
Police can't do anything.

>>6469585
The police pretty much everyone called in for. They can't do shit unless this mess gets worse...

dayum

Maiko Fantaji - I have emailed and LJ messaged you about this and you haven't got back. So I'll say it here; I lost the original case on paypal which lead me to be about -£280 on paypal. I discussed my case with a senior agent at paypal who told me it is unlikely the refunds will work (sorry everyone) but will loose me a further £280. I've been told I stand to lose £560 unless the paypal refund is sorted. I strongly suggest you get onto paypal, because this could get a hell of a lot worse for everyone involved. I don't fully understand it myself, I was in shock after the phone call so didn't ask further but I'll be ringing them again tomorrow. And the police. I'm already onto Trading Standards about paypals abysmal customer service.

>>6470619
holy crap!

Hi again guys. It's anonymous chargebacked anon again. Could someone ITT again let Maiko know that I have the same chargeback problem and to email me about it. I sent the email. I'm the same $668 girl from before.

>>6470619
>>6470635
Uh, I think shit just got real again.

When exactly CAN the authorities get involved with this?

>>6469557
Do we know where Paypal is saying it will only take 5 minutes to clear up?

I'd like to see screencaps of Paypal saying that and screencaps of what they're saying to Maiko.

It's clear that Maiko has fucked up big time and has lied multiple times, but I wouldn't be 100% surprised if Paypal is giving two different stories

>>6470642
I already talked to the ones in Cali. I haven't gotten any update from them since I made it other than that I should take this to a small claims court if I don't get it resolved with either her or paypal.

>>6470224
That's just an excuse to talk about maiko. Don't be stupid.

>>6470490
>send you a personal check and cancel paypal
Who wants to bet she makes them cancel the paypal dispute as soon as she sends out the personal check instead one as soon as it's cashed.

oh god, this is all such a mess and it totally shouldn't be.

>>6470661
personal checks can be reversed too

>>6470671
I don't know if they can be reversed, but I know for a fact that she can put a stop payment on the check. Depending on her bank, it'll cost her money though.

>>6470382
I'm not taking either side but this new mod is pretty dull. I don't think they've ever been to /cgl/ in their life before they got put as a janitor.

>>6470635 Here. I'm taking her up on her offer to get a money order not a check. There's no way that sort of thing can be reversed.

>>6470699
I hope you get it.

So far, it looks like most of the people who have their money got it through Paypal deciding in their favor with a dispute...

>>6470699
If you're in SoCal, meet her at ALA instead.

>>6470699
Good work. Hopefully nobody will take a personal check from her. At this rate, any checks she sends out won't completely clear before Christmas. God forbid there are any problems with those, because she'll probably be AWOL until after New Years.

Who wants to bet that her mysterious brother will somehow fuck up this money order thing

Or no wait the mysterious identity thief who is also coincidentally a lolita

bump

>>6471406
>Who wants to bet that her mysterious brother will somehow fuck up this money order thing
I'm in.
I don't understand how people can still believe her stories. It smelled fishy right from the beginning but now it's like a giant pile of whale puke in the middle of the living room.

>>6470726
waiiit a second, she is going to attend ALA instead of sorting this mess out?!? are you serious? i was mad when i learned that she attended this loli tea party but this just takes the cake! i hope somebody smashes her fucking face in. if i was her i would not DARE to show my face anywhere in public until i had sorted all of this out. she has NO shame.

>>6474213
She, from what people have said about her behavior at public meets & the tea party, is very spoiled. She's used to getting her way, all the time. So no, she isn't going to let a silly little thing like people being out thousands of dollars stand in the way of her attending an event she wants to attend.

are people still waiting for their money?

>>6474213
>>6474830
If she can afford to go to all these events and cons, she should be able to refund everyone. Hell she got 50K handed to her like nothing.

Seriously people, if you are from the SoCal area or planning to go to ALA, just fucking confront her there for your money. This isn't fucking cool at all. I find it more disgusting her dad knows about this situation.

>>6474835
More "issues" occurred from what I know.

>>6474213
>>6474847
Someone needs to confront her and fucking record it. Seriously. I'd do it but I don't live anywhere near ALA.

>>6474851
Yes. Please.

Oh god this bitch and her "xD"

>>6476023
whoa whoa whoa >>6470661 this anon so called it

>>6476023
>"I'm so done with paypal"
>I give up sorry guize lolololllll i couldnt lie good enuf for your monies back, not gonna give it xDDD"

>>6467291
You canceled transactions for the last few months? That right there sounds sketchy.

instead of checks just have her send postal money orders. yeah there's the possibility that the mail will get lost but i doubt it'd be more than 1 out of however many she mails, if that.

most of the girls have probably given her their address indirectly through the shipping process anyway.

>>6470619
>>6470635
Dayum.
I don't understand though - if she lost the case, doesn't that mean that the money should be refunded into each seller account?

>>6470012
Looks like she is. On the other pictures her eyes look a lot smaller.

Am I the only one that doesn't feel sorry for anyone in this thread?
LJ is one of the easiest places to scam people and is very sketchy.
And second of all, who buys clothes and things with so much money that they would actually be "out" money if something were to happen to it? All of you dumb girls bitching about how you can't pay your bills now because you spent $400 on a couple of dresses and got a chargeback are fucking retarded and obviously can't afford to be buying such expensive shit in the first place.

>lolita comms confirmed for having dumb bitches with no common sense

>>6476333
Did you even read? The girls that are out money are the girls that SOLD the dresses. None of them spent money on dresses, the person they sold their dresses to screwed them over months after the purchases.

>>6476333
>All of you dumb girls bitching about how you can't pay your bills now because you spent $400 on a couple of dresses and got a chargeback
>you spent $400 on a couple of dresses and got a chargeback
>spent $400
>got a chargeback

I fucking love it when people pipe in that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

>>6470680
They can, if anything this might end up an even greater mess if it winds up with girls waiting for these checks to arrive and then finding out they can't be cashed.

If it weren't for this girl being so full of shit this kind of thing could be solved easily by just transferring money between bank accounts. But I guess a good thing is that if she's using personal checks it'll be easier to get the police involved if it gets that far.

>>6470012
how far down the fucking crazy hole are you to not be able to tell shes wearing circle lenses?

"Hey again guys. I had an all day business training deal in Anaheim that I discussed with the few that messaged me back about the money orders. It ran longer than expected but I still dropped by the USPS store and found that it was closed sat and sun. So I have taken pictures of proof that I was there an the time so if you would like to see proof I have it for you. Also don't forget if I owe you to let me know if you'd like me to send you a money order or such. I will cancel PayPal transfers soon as PayPal isn't releasing the money."

>>6476659

Sup Seishirou?

>>6476933
> Anaheim
Bitch was in my city... Wish I had known.

>>6476933
>the USPS store and found that it was closed sat and sun
Because she's never had to go to the USPS store before in her life so she wouldn't see their schedule on a sign.

>>6476659
>>6476646
So let me get this straight: You were actually relying on selling a dress to be able to pay for your bills and necessities, without having enough emergency money in the bank in case such things like chargebacks happen?

What is wrong with you girls? Are you unemployed, or just still underage and don't have any foresight?
You've warned /cgl/ of this girl, way to go. But the problems of ten or twenty girls that dealt with this broad is not the collective problem of everyone here. And it's stupid to think that bumping this thread with two posts a day is going to make people any more sympathetic towards your situation (where imo all the parties fucked up in handling it) or thinking this solves anything.
Take this shit back to LJ and the FB comm where it belongs.

>>6477353
You know what, I was going to type out a whole thing, but you are clearly too much of a dumbfuck, so I won't be wasting my time.

Have a bump instead.

>>6477353
These charge backs happened 3 months later. The money situation was probably different and one usually doesn't anticipate a large charge back happening after it's been that long.

>>6477353
>>6477353
While I would generally agree with the first part, some of these transactions were over 6 months old, and for thousands of dollars. I always keep enough back-up money just in case stuff like this happens, but after many many months, most people stop considering that a chargeback could occur. So I can definitely see how that could seriously affect a person or small business.

As for taking it back to LJ or FB, this is still a discussion relevant to other lolitas, especially since it can help people to avoid situations like this in the future.

>>6477361
Edgy.

>>6477376
So why doesn't anyone have money three months later? Misuse of their own spending, or still relying on money from the sold dress? There's no arguing around that.

>>6477382
>So why doesn't anyone have money three months later? Misuse of their own spending, or still relying on money from the sold dress? There's no arguing around that.

Where did you get "NO ONE HAS ANY MONEY 3 MONTHS LATER" from people saying akin to "Fuck, I'm suddenly out $500 and this can affect me/sucks ass"?

There are households with two incomes that can be fucked over because of a few hundred dollars suddenly missing. Not to mention that the chargebacks can affect your Paypal account, and at least one person who was affected has an online store using their paypal as its primary payment method.

>>6477396
Because some people are bitching about how they have "bills to pay" with this money.

>households that can be fucked over with a few hundred dollars missing
Must not be very sturdy households, are you talking about rental apartments? Or students? Because then yeah, I could see it if you had rent to pay. But maybe that's a lesson learned.
And I certainly hope after this fiasco you girls are a lot more cautious about LJ shopping comms.

>>6477406
>>6477406
>Because some people are bitching about how they have "bills to pay" with this money.

If someone is suddenly out $300-$3000, that's $300-$3000 less than they thought they would have that month. Many people don't have thousands of dollars to fall back on at all times, whether it's because they're living on their own, are working for a low wage, have loans or tuition or other obligations which take a sizable chunk out of their earnings each month,or whatever. And even if they do have savings, again, that's $300-$3000 less than they thought they would have--so if they expected to put away $500 that month for emergencies but got a $500 chargeback, that $500 now has to cover this dumbass girl's bullshit instead. Or if they had $1000 in savings for that month and got chargebacked for a grand, that's $1000 from their savings.

>>6477437
You keep bringing up thousands of dollars as the most extreme example, and I can see why. Because that is a drastic amount for anyone to lose.

But forgive me if I'm hard up to believe that more than three people (non-brand companies) are out thousands of dollars. Because then you'd be talking larceny, and I'm sure with the information out on this girl she could be criminally served if someone was willing to go through with pressing charges.

Fuck you poor people for daring to be in my hobbies. Just get the fuck out, commit suicide and die, lest you foul up my view.

>>6477473
Reading comprehension, how does it work?

She said $300-$3000

Minimum and maximum according to reports

The example she used was $500

Stop pretending like people are exaggerating to help prove your point

>>6477473
one: reading comprehension, get some.

two: You don't seem to understand that this can screw someone up and not because they're ~omg dumb students who need to learn a lesson~

If I was planning on having $300 this month to pay a bill and budgeted accordingly, not having that $300 will at the very least throw me off and at the worst, screw me over. Because I no longer have that $300.

>>6477521
Agreed. Times are hard, and not everyone has a spare couple of hundred bucks. Ideally of course everyone would have emergency savings to fall back on, but that's not possible for every household or person.

>>6477502
>as the most extreme example
Why is it whenever you disagree with someone you attack their reading comprehension? Quite clearly I said it was the most extreme example, meaning I know there's regard for smaller ones.
Stop that.

>>6477521
>BAWWW U CALLIN US DUMB STUDENTS
Well gee, you went and sold thousands and hundreds of dollars in merch to some bimbo you didn't even know without using a third party service, except for paypal.
GG, idiots. It is a lesson. ANYONE CAN SCAM YOU ON LJ COMMS.

>>6477549
The thing is, EVERYONE she bought from got chargebacks, even those that she bought directly from with her card. Online sellers, online shops, actual shops, etc. It's not that anyone can scam you on LJ communities, it's that people weren't prepared to go through normal transactions with someone then months later have -$$$ in their account.

>>6477553
>it's not that bad shit like scamming can happen
Uh, yeah it is. A lot of fucked up shit can happen in 'free' shopping communities like that when there's no third party involved.
And how are you gonna say that's irrelevant when this whole thread is about scammers and scamming in general? It's completely relevant.

>>6477549
Same can be said for any kind of online shopping, really. It's an honor system at the end of the day, considering that feedback isn't always reliable. There's scams arund like any other place, but this one is pretty big and the way it's handled is something that not every buyer necessarily knew about -- like ebay, you don't know your seller personally so you just research what you can and hope to God it'll be okay.

I think that people just didn't expect for this kind of situation, scam or not, to erupt literally during a season that people tend to spend the most money - holidays, Black Friday. Most people were probably budgeting to be able to afford gifts and still have room for basic needs.

>>6477565
eBay and the LJ comm really aren't that comparable. eBay has its faults, but it's miles more secure.

>budgeting for gifts
And while that's sad that they won't be able to buy as much gifts, those don't count as needs. And I think a lot of people are sensationalizing their extra spending money as such.

>>6477549
>whining about being attacked
>"BAWWW U CALLIN US DUMB STUDENTS"

Mmm sweet hypocrisy.

I just love how you have no words to address the fact that losing hundreds of dollars can affect people. It's like your brain just can't comprehend it. Are you like maiko, I wonder? Spoiled rich and rotten, so people explaining to you in clear terms why it can fuck you over to suddenly be out $500 just whooshes over your head?

>>6477567
>eBay has its faults, but it's miles more secure.
Confirmed for just trolling or being completely clueless.

>>6477567
>>6477561
etc.

Look, it's painfully obvious that you have little to no life experience. Just accept that losing a large amount of money suddenly can be a blow for people with jobs and budgets, especially when it comes so long after a transaction. It is impossible to prepare for something like that and for the majority of people it would be at the very least extremely inconvenient, especially in the holiday season.

If you're about to type a reply, stop. Just stop. There is nothing to argue about in what I said above, it is a statement of fact. Even if you personally would have budgeted for the possibility of suddenly being chargebacked on a transaction you made months ago (*cough*bullshit*cough*) it doesn't change the fact that this scam has upset the budgets and lives of a lot of people.

>>6477631
>I just love how you have no words to address the fact that losing hundreds of dollars can affect people.
I just love the fact how you think I'm saying that.

Why is it when you disagree with people and can't attack the content you accuse them of having bad "reading comprehension," can't understand something, or call them spoiled?

>>6477641
>>6478102
Samefag much?
>Look, it's painfully obvious that you have little to no life experience.
Haha, said the bitches who got ripped off from their money because they made transactions through insecure means.
I don't know who's trolling who anymore. But it's awfully pathetic to see the same four people bump this thread with your petty shit everyday, because you just can't accept the fact that you got played pretty hardcore, but that you also are partially at fault. How funny. But hey, it's not my money.

>>6478102
>Even if you personally would have budgeted for the possibility of suddenly being chargebacked on a transaction you made months ago

Just passing by to say that If I sold a $600 dress, I make enough at my job that I would have enough to survive the chargeback and still be able to pay my bills. I wouldn't have enough money for things like holiday gifts, but I wouldn't miss my payments or go hungry. So apparently that is possible, because I can do it. Budgets exist so don't call that bullshit unless you don't make enough money to do so.

>>6478127
>>6478102 here
I haven't posted in this thread before and I haven't been personally affected by this scam in any way.

You're just an idiot who sounds either about 14 or like a hardcore trustfund kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. Plsgo

>>6478130

that's nice

not budgeting for something =/= going hungry if it happens

just means your budget has gone wrong

exactly what you just said infact

you're unlikely to go hungry, it's just damn annoying and inconvenient and means you'll have to make sacrifices

which is not ok

>>6478131
>bawww must be a kid or a spoiled brat with a trust fund
Does it bother you that much that I earn my money myself and that I don't buy from sketchy places like the LJ comm? You're mad as fuck, calm down.

>>6478133

Personally, I find it hard to believe that someone who can't wrap their head around the difference between -buying- and -selling- would be employed by anyone much

>>6478132

Yeah, I'd be annoyed. But I also agree with that anon that posting on cgl everyday wouldn't exactly solve anything for my situation either.
Getting ripped off isn't okay, who's saying that and where are you getting that I'm postulating that it is? I think if anyone has a problem with anything it's the attitude of which you're going about handling it, which to say the least is childish and unprofessional.

>>6478127
>I just love the fact how you think I'm saying that.

But you are. "If you weren't a dumb college kid, it wouldn't matter! If you had thousands in savings, it wouldn't matter!" Despite being clearly told WHY it would matter, even if you have savings, even if you have a job, even if you aren't living from paycheck to paycheck.

>petty shit
>thousands of dollars are messed with

Goooooooo fuck yourself. You clearly need it.

>>6478140
No.
I'm saying if you made a better choice and had better judgment it might not have happened.
If you had emergency money in the bank, the situation might not seem as dire.

You can go fuck yourself too sweetie <3

>>6478139

i actually wasn't ripped off, wasn't scammed, i just use the comm and have been following the stuff

basically i think people are just trying to tell the thread's new resident trustfund kid exactly why these chargebacks would bother people and impact on their lives

it's the thing that maiko didn't seem to understand, which has been the most annoying part of the scam so far

losing a few hundred or a few thousand dollars may not leave you hungry, but it'll certainly fuck up your life and wallet in 99% of cases, and is not something that people could reasonably be expected to foresee months after a sale

sorry that was all i was trying to say

>>6478144

>if you had emergency money in the bank

Because it's totally that easy amirite? Just get some of that ol' money that's floating around and squirrel it away since you don't need it! GOD
Anon confirmed for 12 years old

>>6478133
>I don't buy from sketchy places like the LJ comm

People who sold to her from EBAY, ETSY, FACEBOOK AND RETAIL STORES WERE ALSO AFFECTED. It's not just Livejournal. And even then, Livejournal is not inherently any more sketchy to sell your items on than other websites. Hell, a lot of people like to sell on LJ and Facebook because the people who buy have accounts with histories, with names, with contact information. Most of the people who still haven't gotten their money back and who sold on LJ were unfortunately trusting enough to allow Maiko to buy using a gift payment--something they likely won't do again.

>>6478144
>I'm not saying "If you had thousands of dollars in savings, it wouldn't matter!"
>I'm saying "If you had money in savings, it wouldn't matter!"

LOL. You are a dumbfuck.

>>6478156

I wasn't going to admit this but I got a chargeback from that girl as well. I handled it quietly between my bank and the girl, and I got my money back with ease.
I was quiet about it and kept that business to myself, and I seemed to get a better response.
>inb4 you tell me I have to be careful because another chargeback is possible
Nope.

Secondly, that other anon wasn't trying to tell anyone that they shouldn't be upset. I still don't know where you're getting that from but I think that's wrong, and I read quite a few of the saged responses. Don't stuff words into other people's mouths.

>>6478159
>>6478163
>>6478164
Confirmed for mad, broke ass lolitas who are rustled as shit that they're out money and can't buy holiday gifts.
Oh geez, tell me again why cgl is your personal army.

>>6478173

>this is why you are wrong and retarded
>LOL YOU'RE JUST MAD AND POOR INSERT MEME HERE

I am revising my age estimate to 11.

>>6478163
Especially since someone already explained to them that even if you have savings in the bank, suddenly being out a few hundred dollars or more means that you have to spend from your savings to "cover" the loss which can throw you out of whack.

It's not even "Oh shit, my dryer broke and I need money to fix it, to the savings!" it's "Someone filed a false chargeback and I'm now out $400 for no purpose whatsoever," which is a whole lot more aggravating because now you're in limbo... will you get the money back? oh, good, she gave you a refund from a friend's account. Oh, no, that refund got chargebacked. Oh good, she gave you a refund from a new account. Oh no, that refund got chargebacked. And now she's wanting to send you a personal check.

>>6478177
You're doing the same thing except calling me "spoiled" and "idiot" or a "trustfund kid."
Are you retarded? Or are you gonna bawwww some more? And talk about acting like a kid when you can't even keep your cool to an opposing opinion.
>IM RIGHT AND THIS IS HOW IT IS AND IF U DONT AGREE THEN FUCK YOURSELF CAUS U IS A RETAWDDD
Lol. I admit if I were Maiko, I think I'd save you people for last to get their money back. Just to piss you off.

>>6478173
Soooooo. When people say you must be spoiled or a trust fund kid, it's wrong because people are making assumptions.

But when people disagree with you because you seem to lack a basic understanding about a realistic household budget, they must be a mad, poor lolita.

Seems legit.

Though you know, you sound familiar. Railing against lolitas, railing against these posts about Maiko... hmm.

>>6478188
So you don't like getting a taste of your own behavior? Oh okay, noted.

>>6478173
>UR A BROKE BITCH WHO IS BAWWING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUY CHRISTMAS PRESENTS

So why couldn't you address the fact that not only people from LJ were affected? What's the matter? No witty retort for the facts?

>>6478191
How many? Who? Please give me more details. If you can't, then I don't think you should talk about things you don't know.
Because for all you know it could have only been five people from Etsy and their cases might've already been resolved by now.

>>6478193
You've been doing that since the beginning of your tantrum, but okay.

But I think we can safely confirm you're the idiot who was shitting up these threads earlier. Same MO: "You're all dumb lolitas! It's your own fault for getting fucked over! Stop posting about Maiko! Stop sending your personal army after Maiko!"

>>6478197
How many people were affected from LJ? And who? Please give me more details. If you can't, then I don't think you should talk about things you don't know.

>>6478200
And you've been doing it to anybody who comes in here and tells you girls to calm the fuck down and that you are also partially responsible for what happens to your own money transactions.

But no, everyone must be a "retard" because they don't have blind sympathy for you and the whiny, immature ways you're acting.
Do you seriously wonder why you're getting such a slow response?

Oh and notice: Nobody else gives a shit about this except for the four-five same people circlejerking and bumping this thread everyday.
But I suppose that can speak for itself. Have fun.

>>6478203
So why couldn't you address who were the people affected? What's the matter? No witty response with all these facts you apparently know?
Haha, bitch.

>>6478184

For the last time, most people in this thread have not been directly affected by this scam. Acting as if we are all just butthurt because of being scammed (lol what's empathy) just doesn't work in this context.

We are annoyed at Maiko because of her flippant attitude towards an event that would be incredibly inconvenient for most people, due to her own apparently sheltered upbringing. We are annoyed at you because of your inability to understand the concept of people not having infinite money and scamproof budgets due to no fault of their own.

It is one thing not really being able to empathise with the situation because of your own lifestyle. It is another to put on a holier-than-thou attitude and blame others for their lack of funds as if their situation is intrinsically their fault and being scammed months after a transaction something they should have somehow expected and prepared for.

This attitude makes you come off as, at best and in the most polite way possible, extremely naíve. Hence the trustfund kid comments.

>>6478197
Some girl with an online nail shop got a charge back, Angelic Pretty in San Francisco got a charge back.

>>6478214
>talks about empathy
>Hey guys, did you know apparently Maiko's family relative died recently and that she's been involved in a lot of impulse spending?
>nofuckgiven.jpg SHES A CALLOUS SCAMMER

Oh god...please, continue with your empathy speech. Talking about empathy on 4chan...here we go.

>>6478197
At least ten people with Etsy shops have come forward, to the tune of losing about 4 grand all together. Two fake nail shops, three hairpiece accessory shops (in their case, headbands, bows & corsages), three lolita general shops (mostly socks, some bows and headgear) and two jewelry shops, for necklaces, bracelets, and rings.

You're blatantly ignoring the fact that this was NOT an issue that was limited to Livejournal. At all. Angelic Pretty USA, a physical store, was affected.

Some people, and I know this goes against your warblegarble about selling on LJ being the anti-christ, on LJ have gotten their money back--they were the people who won the disputes against Maiko. The people who don't have their money at this point are mostly people who allowed her to pay with a gift payment because they didn't realize that even gift payments from Paypal could be chargebacked, and certainly not *months* later, since the limit on Paypal disputes is 45 days.

One of the problems here is that when people talk about the dangers of gift payments, they focus on the buyer: don't BUY with gift payments because if you get fucked over, you have no recourse. Now we know that the seller can also get fucked over, either because she filed chargebacks which ran through her debit card which ran through her Paypal to the people she bought from on Etsy, Facebook, LJ and other online shops.

>>6478159

I remember so many lolitas on the egl_comm_sales used to recommended people to accept payment using gifts because it strips buyers of all buyer's right (ie they can't open dispute). So is it a very misguided advice then?

Is that so, why are there still so many people in the comm_sales that insist on gift payment? I am genuinely curious.

>>6478210
hey samefag who was reporting these threads before moot said they were okay

hey samefag who was whiteknighting maiko

are you her bandmate? or one of the idiots on facebook? you sound like it.

>>6478225
Wow, how enlightening.
And I'm pretty sure AP can handle it.

>>6478222
The thing is, though grief makes us do things we wouldn't normally do, her attitude is still what's pissing people off about this. She owes people money and yet keeps making up excuses for every time she 'tries' to give it back but the money either gets charged back again, her internet is out, paypal won't let her, etc.

>>6478229
>One of the problems here is that when people talk about the dangers of gift payments, they focus on the buyer: don't BUY with gift payments because if you get fucked over, you have no recourse. Now we know that the seller can also get fucked over, either because she filed chargebacks which ran through her debit card which ran through her Paypal to the people she bought from on Etsy, Facebook, LJ and other online shops.

Personally, after this, I would not even accept gift payments unless you personally know the buyer. As in, they are your friend or someone in your community who you can get ahold of in person if something goes wrong.

>>6478228
So moral of the story? DON'T MAKE GIFT PAYMENTS.

>>6478233
With your really obvious grammar syntax and the fact that you type like a 14 year old on her period, I want to make it very obvious to you that you're the easiest to pick out for 'samefagging.' Watch yourself. And considering I've saged almost all my posts, picking out which ones are mine isn't that hard.

>>6478244
>And considering I've saged almost all my posts, picking out which ones are mine isn't that hard.

Yep, just like the idiot who was reporting the scammer threads and calling everyone butthurt lolitas.

>>6478239
>DON'T MAKE GIFT PAYMENTS

Well, no, it's more like: Don't accept OR use gift payments unless you are involved in a transaction with someone you trust with however much money you're exchanging.

>>6478247
Nah, I'm pretty sure multiple people have disagreed with the way you're trying to "solve" things. And that number would probably be more if the cause wasn't so futile in the face of four, circlejerking cunts that are convinced that they're the only victims.

>>6478231
I'm pretty sure it would be difficult for any small business to suddenly be out thousands of dollars. Having to deal with banks and fraud is a huge time drain too.

>>6478250
>four, circlejerking cunts that are convinced that they're the only victims.

Confirmed for reporting thread faggot.

>>6478251
Confirmed for being edgy~

>>6478253
But they should have a backup plan!!!! Anyone suddenly out thousands of dollars and feeling pissed or freaked out is an idiot!!!!!!!

>>6478244
hey actually i am
>>6478156
but not
>>6478233
it's just some other anon with the same syntax as me~

Which, by the way, is entirely put-on. Stop trying to "samefag" spot like a child who's just discovered the concept and either actually answer the questions people are asking you, Maiko's friend, or get your butthurt arse out of the thread.

>>6478249

Which is why, after all of this, I am genuinely baffled that some girls in the comm_sales are still insisting on gift payments for certain transactions.

>>6478258
Then stop purposely changing your grammar to samefag. Idiot.

>>6478257
Yep, businesses usually do have a backup plan too.

Don't know why you're acting like you don't enjoy my presence. Without me and other people to argue with for hours this thread would be on the fifth page and you would have nothing to bump.

>>6478260
Because they're cheap and would risk a situation like this just to save a few bucks.

>>6478265
>Don't know why you're acting like you don't enjoy my presence.

Because you're the samefag who tried to derail the other threads while you were reporting them so people didn't talk about Maiko.

>>6478286
I think you should stop accusing me of that, especially since I haven't reported anything since August. If a janitor deleted your comment then it must have been in violation of something.

>>6478295
It must hurt to have been discovered--I truly feel for you.

>>6478302
Lolk.

please stop feeding the troll guys. just ignore them

>>6478327
+1

they're doing what they did last time, in any case. derail from attention on Maiko.

Yea this is the samefag from the last few threads who successfully got us to derail the thread

If we ignore him he'll have nothing to reply to and bitch about

Mariko
>I still dropped by the USPS store and found that it was closed sat and sun.
Does she mean the post office? Most larger cities have at least one location that's open on Saturdays. Has she never actually been to a post office and doesn't know what it's called?
Or the UPS store or a place like Mail Boxes Etc? Also many open on Saturdays, may not do money order though.
Mariko, lying again

>>6478353
She's in the LA area, isn't she? The UPS store is definitely open Saturday. The post office (there is no "usps" store) is open Saturday... most (all?) have super limited hours, but they are open.

>>6478347
>>6478331
>>6478327
You should learn to take your own advices.
Or are you girls really just this immature?

>>6478353
Yeah, I'm sure most Post Offices are open on Saturdays pretty much everywhere.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR TRUST FUND CHAN:
That money in the bank probably was part of their backup money. SHOCKINGLY, people sell things because they need the money, not because they want to give shiftless women free dresses. These things were all sold months ago. It's not like they were selling dresses to avoid a next week eviction. This shit was supposed to be over and done with. And on top of that, PayPal probably froze dozens of accounts because of this, making it impossible for those affected people to sell anything else.

>>6478360
>(there is no "usps" store)

Well, kinda. There used to small post offices in shopping areas but most are gone now due to budget cuts and some mail centers who main purpose is to ship things; they deal with mail from all the shipping companies. In any case, it's impossible not to be able to find at least one place that is open on the weekends.

>>6478368
Nice job "ignoring" me all-know, holier-than-thou chan. Take your friend's advice, you're making yourself look like retard.

>>6478370
Oh really? I didn't know that. But yes, in her area there is no excuse for "oh it wasn't open on the weekends" because there's other places she could have gone.

whyyyyyyy don't people just go to the police, seriously
even if they don't arrest her, knowing that the authorities are on her back might make her more responsive...

>>6478415
i live in the LA area. postal offices are open until at least noon, and if this girl was so anxious to return money, she'd check their website to make sure they wereopen and when. guess she never noticed that mail never comes on sunday, and that saturday mail comes earlier than usual.

>>6478986
People have gone to the police, actually. She knows it, that's why she started getting snippy in the fb thread

>>6477353 = Maiko

>>6479575
Look at what a good job you guys are doing of ignoring the troll. You react to this for hours, and you seriously wonder why people mess with you?
It's too easy, I wish some of you would go back to the FB comm.

Is there s fee for turning international money orders into different currencies?

>>6481001
Yes. Paypal and most if not all banks have a fee for that, usually ranging from 3 to 5 percent.

been ignoring this situation for the most part for awhile, but i was shocked to see that maiko fantaji just tried to buy a shit ton of stuff from chokelate.

guess she couldn't get to the post because she was wig shopping.

>>6481393
i just saw that too. holy fuck, why is she trying to spend shitloads of money on wigs when she still owes people money?

>>6481393
Choke's post

lol i highlighted it
oops
fucking mac's screen printing sucks

>>6481405
what do you mean by saying maiko's doing it on purpose though?

>>6481413
She knows she's busted, already. She's just trying to blow what cash is left in there before anyone bans her. At least, that's my guess.

>>6481393
>>6481405

Good guy Paypal blocked the transaction, I initially searched her name + living area to see if anything was known since it was a crazy amount she ordered ( over 30lbs of wigs and accessories) but nothing turned up. At all. Now I'm not too much for putting people's information out there, but in this case it might be a good idea to put her full name out there. I don't know how long Paypal will continue to block her payments and it's quite hard to track down her identity if you don't know about the lolita community.

>>6481420
that's terrifying! i wonder if she is going on more spending sprees as we speak.

>>6481413
i mean that it wasn't an accident, that she made the purchases and reversed them herself.

banks don't ever reverse everything, the banks can get in legal trouble themselves if they do that. like, if businesses got hit and didn't get repaid the banks would get in a ton of trouble. you have to go through, purchase by purchase, and say if you made it or if you didn't. she picked out which ones got reversed.
in any case of identity theft this is how it works.
in the case that it was her mom/grandmas/dads/someone elses card and they reversed it it would take a 10 minute conversation with the person who's card it was and they'd go through the list and pick which charges weren't actually stolen.
if it was her brother or some "random" lolita who did it (what the fuck?) then there wouldn't be photos of her wearing it all, and they wouldn't have shipped to her address.
there is no scenario where it has her innocent in any way.

she knows what she's doing, she knows no one is going to actually take her to court, so unless she decides to pay no one is getting their money back.
for a lot of people (myself included) time is worth more than money, and they'll wait it out until they're totally SOL just because they don't want to put the effort into getting it resolved.

>>6481422
i'm glad paypal caught it.
maybe contact the mods on egl to update the maiko post?

>>6481441
i totally agree with everything you said.
>if it was her brother or some "random" lolita who did it (what the fuck?)
had the exact same reaction to that too! she's really shady at this point and i don't think she eve gives a damn.

>>6481422
Her info has already been posted, it's in the archived

>>6481455
i think what she meant to say
was like, her brother took her card and made purchases so she did an identity theft thing against the purchases he made.
but they charge backed all the purchases

which is also BS but it's not as retarded as "my brother bought thousands of dollars of loli"

but as for the "random lolita" story like honestly what the fuck no like what stop please stop why are you so dumb

>>6481456
4chan archives doesn't exactly show up on a google search.

I haven't decided yet if this girl is really smart (as in, she knows what she's doing) or really stupid.

I guess it all comes down to whether or not people decide to take action against her and whether or not they're successful.

>>6481456
Google does not show anything if you search for her name and adress, or living place. Neither does it show any results for her e-mail adress (so she might have created a new one?). I found out by searching for her name plus lolita, but if you're a store that isn't well known with the community or things like that, then it's almost impossible for them to find out, since her name is really generic and she doesn't buy under her alias.

>>6481471
I wouldn't post her real name here, it was part of the reason some of the threads have been deleted

>>6481422
Choke, you should post about this on the sticky mod post on EGL. I know some people aren't on /cgl/ or the Facebook page, so they may be looking there for updates

>>6481475
Posting it here wouldn't make it easier to find for other people who don't know about the whole ordeal anyway.

>>6481474
I'm going to contact the mods first thing tomorrow and then see what I can do to help!

>>6481474
Seconded - since these threads could be deleted at any time, we should be trying to update egl and facebook with this kind of info, just in case.

>>6481471
What I'm saying is if anyone wants to know her info it's been posted, because you said you didn't feel right about posting it or w/e

Fucking hell. If she still owes people money but she's spending more on a ton of wigs and stuff, it's high time someone got the authorities involved to get their money back.

It's passed the point where it's just an accident that she bought a ton of clothing/accessories and the charges were reversed. Now she's deliberately dropping tons of cash on excess goods (seriously, who would buy 30lbs worth of wigs and wig accessories?) and there's an extremely high chance that if the transaction were to go through that it would also be charged back.

>>6481441
I agree. This just happened to me on my card. It took me one phone call to just give my information, pick out the unauthorzed transactions, and file the claim. It took less than a week to get everything sorted out to allow investigation time.

Post was made on egl and linked to all the Maiko threads on fb. Let's see how this pans out.

>>6467166
I see people are still commenting on the EGL post for Maiko but mods really need to update the first post and say openly that if you haven't gotten your money, you need to contact the authorities.

>>6482764
Yeah, I wish they'd update the post.
I can't believe Maiko attempted to buy all those wigs/accessories while this is still an unsolved case. Who know where else she's been attempting/successfully buying from

I went to authorities the first time the chargeback happened. I got my money back needless to say.

I don't know why the majority of you had sat back for weeks and bitched on here expecting anything to be reversed, but you don't fuck around with things like this, and especially not on credit cards. Everyone should have went to authorities. You don't rely on some bimbo to look after your interests when she clearly doesn't care.
That was a mistake on some of your parts, sorry to say.

>>6482781
Some people did say they were going to the authorities but then Maiko paid them back, then the money got taken again, and after that Maiko said she was contacting the authorities herself while the mods kept going "Oh just wait a little longer, Maiko is doing this and saying she's going to do this."

It's just another example of people being too trusting of mods.

>>6482791
yeah, i think people are relying too much on what the mods say and assume they are going to fix the problem.

>>6482791
The mods have no power and they never have.
They're no different than any other LJ user except they have control over what's said on an online forum. Same with that FB group. No offense, but that's really dumb.

>>6482818
And yet it isn't the first time buyers/sellers have put off legal intervention because of mod suggestions.

>>6482818
I can't blame people for being trusting, though--wonderfinch told people that she had "legitimate sources" which said it's okay, and kept telling people ohh give her 24 hours, give her 48 hours, give her more time, she's doing this she's working through it, ohh then contact the authorities...

>>6483046
This. Wonderfinch didn't help the situation at all.

>>6483072
Honestly if I was hit, without being on /cgl/ I would've trusted the mods, because the way they worded things. I'd assume they know how things work and just left it to them.

>>6483072
And when you take into consideration the fact that her "sources" which "confirmed that it was indeed a mistake with her credit card company" was just wonderfinch asking Maiko in person, it's like a slap to the face.

>>6483080
See this is why I've stayed on /cgl/ for years.
Not only am I a sad and pathetic person, but cgl and 4chan in general have taught me some very good lessons that I otherwise might not have learned.

>>6483316
This absolutely.

>over 30lb of wigs and accessories
I hope every single person in her local communities shuns the hell out of her. Because giving her the positive attention she obviously wants after all this bullshit is just encouraging and legitimizing her scamming.

>>6483316
>needing /cgl/ to help you make important financial decisions regarding fraud

Well, I guess if it helped, but god damn I thought this was common sense.

I just want to point out, as someone who has lived in Anaheim and LA and has gone to many post offices in each of them to ship commissions, she's full of shit. On Saturdays, the post office is open and usually open until 5, if not later. They know everyone has shit to do, especially with the holidays now.

>>6483842
The problem is that for all someone would know, if they didn't visit /cgl/, this *was* a mistake on part of a credit card company or a bank or Paypal. People are too trusting, especially since she has been to meets/events and has her name & face out there--they think "oh, okay, the mods say they have legit sources that confirm it's all a mistake, it's not like she will just cut and run because she participates in the community, etc"

>>6483867
Well, no. The first thing anybody should have done was contact their credit card company, paypal, or the authorities.

All cgl did was give people a place to bitch and call her a scammer. Some people think she is, and some people think she's just a dumb bitch.
Cgl did nothing except give people a collective place to be angry.

>>6483880
Lol

Wrong again

People have actually used this thread to get in contact with Maiko because she was unresponsive to email and they didn't use facebook

Go back and read all the archived threads

>>6483881
>get in contact with Maiko
...and look what good that did.

>>6483880
>Cgl did nothing except give people a collective place to be angry.

Except /cgl/ is the only place where she was found out & called out for changing her story in the first place, where people found out she was using the account/card of her grandmother, where people were allowed to actually talk about what's going on instead of tiptoe around on EGL or Facebook, where at *least* one person was able to get in contact with Maiko because she wasn't responding to her emails or LJ pms, etc.

>The first thing anybody should have done was contact their credit card company, paypal, or the authorities.

People did. Most of the people who got refunds that haven't been chargebacked got them back because they were eligible under Paypal's TOS to win a dispute. The people who used Paypal and are still SOL are mostly, but not all, those who allowed Maiko to pay with gift payments. And Paypal's response to that is basically "oh well" even though she shoudln't have been able to chargeback gift payments at all.

It doesn't help when the admin of the largest EGL community is telling people: "No no, it's okay, we got in touch with a confirmed source that says the authorities confirmed it was all just a mistake."

>>6483895
>The people who used Paypal and are still SOL are mostly, but not all, those who allowed Maiko to pay with gift payments

And no offense but that was really dumb. Fraud like that happens on eBay, Etsy, and Artfire as well.

I still don't see what good contacting this Maiko girl did, but hey.

>>6483895
>allowed to actually talk about what's going on instead of tiptoe around on EGL or Facebook
Not that anon but let's be real, people were angry and couldn't say what they wanted to on EGL or the FB comms because the mods wanted to keep it civil. This is practically the reason why this came to cgl.

>>6483902
The mod of fb sales put up a rule that discussion was not allowed unless it directly pertained to updates about the situation by those involved or by mods on egl.

As for EGL, well I dunno, you're probably right there, I dont go to egl so I dont know what the rule on discussion was

>>6483900
>And no offense but that was really dumb.

dumb to accept gift payments? eh, not really. I mean, before this, all of the 'warnings' on gift payments were geared towards the buyer--aka, the seller could screw you over and you couldn't do a thing about it because there's no record of it being a transaction.

>>6483902
Except on Facebook, comments were getting deleted by the mod that were civil but pointing out inconsistencies in her story or doing anything but accepting Maiko at her word.

>>6483908
There's just a culture on EGL, where you can't really speak your mind.

>>6483926
So why didnt she post the screenshots then?

She keeps say she has proof but she has yet to post any

>>6483908
>no record of it being a transaction
Exactly why this is a really not a wise choice for the party whose intention is not malicious.

>>6483933
Before this incident, I had no idea that you could even chargeback a gift payment--much less one months beforehand. But at least it's a notice to everyone now: don't accept gift payments unless it is someone you 100% trust with however much money is going between you two.

>>6483930
Maybe it's as solid as the "proof" she gave wonderfinch that it was a mistake with her credit card company... even though she changed that story to a mistake with Paypal..

>>6483939
Well I think there should be a buyer protection sticky on egl, here, and on the FB group to warn people of possible risks and precautions.
And of course what to do when situations like this happen.

>>6483945
>*buyer/seller

>>6483945
It seems to me like "what to do when situations like this happen" is NEVER not going to be "call the damn cops". I just can't understand how people could just wait for her to fix things and draaaaag it out this long without ever stopping to think that it might not be legit. If it was my money that was gone, I seriously wouldn't even wait to hear from her before getting the police involved. If she's innocent, after all, there would be no harm done.
I'm not the asshole that keeps saging ITT to say how stupid lolitas are for daring to sell their clothes, but they kind of have a point- you guys are really, really REALLY nowhere near proactive enough.

>>6484085
One of the problems is that it's all taking place within an online community where, for example, just pointing out that Maiko changed her story was grounds for mod deletion. People don't want to be labelled as "the bitch" who called the cops on Maiko, who by all official mod accounts is doing the best she can to solve this "mistake."

Also, it's not simple to take someone in another state--or even in another country--to court or to press charges against them. For some people, it may boil down to: Do I want to spend $1000 in legal fees trying to get my $300 from this girl? The only other recourse is trying to solve it through Paypal or to force Maiko to solve it in another way.

>>6484117
>nobody wants to be labeled as "the bitch" for doing the right thing

So you'd rather be labeled bitches for sitting your butts on cgl complaining about it?
I get that it might be difficult for people in foreign countries to get their money back because they have to go through more paperwork and bureaucracy, but there's literally no excuse for US people.

>>6484117
>For some people, it may boil down to: Do I want to spend $1000 in legal fees trying to get my $300 from this girl?

This, right here. This is the reason people are not going this far. The legal fees, time and hassle are more than what was lost, in many cases. It's a failing of the judicial system but it's the way it is.

>>6484117
>pointing out that Maiko changed her story was grounds for mod deletion

Where was this happening? Was this on the FB sales?

>>6484127
yes

>>6484120
>I get that it might be difficult for people in foreign countries to get their money back because they have to go through more paperwork and bureaucracy, but there's literally no excuse for US people.

Did you not actually read the comment, or...

>>6484141
>thinking it's going to cost you $1000 in "legal fees" to get the money back

You girls make me facepalm so badly.
>what is small claims court

>>6484167
Small claims court are local courts. If you live in California wouldn't be expensive (though note, most of the people--like other egl scams--in her home state have been refunded) but if you're out of state, yeah, it could rack up some $$$$. Most states require that you be physically present in court, especially if it's not cut and dry (which it wouldn't be, given Maiko's 8179343 stories) so people would need to file against Maiko under California law, then go through paperwork hell to get a court date, then go to California for court. That can easily get to $1000, at least.

>>6483926
She doesn't have anything to say about her attempt to purchase a shit load of wigs using her Paypal account?

>>6484238
ohh if EGL wasn't on moderated membership I'd join and say something about it.

>>6484245
It's not as far as i remember

all you have to do is make an account and join

there's no approval process

>>6484254
right on top of th epage, boo

>Update: We have temporarily instituted moderated membership to combat spambots.

>>6484256
oh, derp

well i clearly havent been to egl in a while

>>6484245
As long as your account doesn't look like a spambot they're not going to reject you. My friend recently joined and she didn't have to take a quiz or anything. Just add something to your profile and upload an icon and don't have a random computer generated name like dajitium or rogerox or something like that.

I like how everyone's still getting walked all over by Maiko.

Seriously, people. Don't be afraid to call her out on her "xD" bullshit and scamming. Hell even a real-life confrontation that is likely to happen at this point would probably get more things done.

>>6484729
People did call her out on the xD bs, on the fb thread

A few idiots showed up and whiteknighted her for hours and things kind of blew up, and the mod stepped in and said that from then on discussion like that would not be allowed on the thread

>>6484734
And she still walks all over everyone. I just hope someone confronts her and socks her in the face. Or calls the mafia on her. I don't know, as long as everyone gets their money back.

>>6484753
I noticed the girl on the >>6483926 screenshot posted sounding all upset and warning everyone to contact paypal since Maiko's done shit.

Suddenly Maiko responds, and then it's a happy, "I messaged you!" response. I know the girl may be trying to stay on her good side to get her money, but if Maiko doesn't get it that people have a right to be mad by now, she'd fucking even more delusional than speculated.

>>6484191
Pretty sure if you win, the other side has to cover all your costs. That includes the money it costs you to physically get to court, legal fees, and everything else.

>>6483926
Fuck that! Someone tell Maiko to post proof.

Too lazy to read this entire thread. Did anyone see that Maiko was trying to buy wigs from Lockshop? Has she even paid everyone back yet?

>>6485219
>buying wigs from Lockshop
Confirmed for dumb weeb bitch.
Probably wants to suck Choke's dick thinking it'll get her popularity like everyone else that does it too.

>>6485219
Yeah, Choke came in and let us know what was going on with that. It was a lot of wigs too.
It still seems like the only people who have gotten paid back won the money through a Paypal dispute, but I'm not 100% up to date either. Highly doubt everyone's been paid back though.

>>6485274
There are people who were "refunded" with her friend's account, but at least some of them had the charges reversed. There are people who were "refunded" with her new Paypal, but some of them--probably all, I think--had the charges reversed. Maiko is claiming that Paypal froze her new account but Paypal told a few people that it was a chargeback/reversal and that all Maiko has to do is contact them... and now she's trying to buy a fuckton of wigs from Lockshop with her supposedly frozen Paypal? idk

>>6485292
>Paypal froze her new account
oh lol ololol of course silly paypal xD obviously this has all been their fault lol xD how believeable~ XD

>>6485315
Pretty much.

I literally don't understand how she can say >I'm done with paypal XD

or that Paypal is freezing her account but... then.... use it to buy 30 lbs of wigs?

So who all still needs their money back? I'm curious. Do we even have a number?

>>6485323
how dare you accuse maiko-tan of being mean enough to buy wigs when paypal's awful actions are still causing pain to the kokoros of dozens of lolitas??? OBVIOUSLY it was her mean aniki-sama again, working together with ananimasu-lolita-san, who bought all of that stuff before and then mysteriously gave it to maiko. DYURRRR.

Has anyone else noticed that throughout all of this, she hasn't said sorry even once? I don't mean being like
>sorry I tried to steal al this stuff
but even if your identity gets stolen, isn't it normal to be like
>sorry this has inconvenienced anyone
>sorry you don't have your money, I'm trying to fix it
>I'm sorry if this causes hardship to people
>I'm sorry I haven't been responsive, I'm so overwhelmed
>sorry this is taking so long, I'm having trouble with paypal
but she hasn't said anything like this. It's what makes me think she's guilty, really- how do you be so uaware of other people that you don't feel the need to apologize?

>>6485348
Oh, I'm sure she's guilty. But even if she wasn't, she seems incredibly spoiled and likely wouldn't apologize even if it was a mistake because she doesn't seem to comprehend how serious a few hundred or a few thousand dollars is to other people.

Shit, a few months ago I fucked up an ebay order (sent the wrong item to two people) and I was apologizing constantly because I knew how pissed and annoyed I would be if it happened to me. It's basic courtesy to apologize... especially if y'know, your actions have caused people to be out a chunk of money.

>>6485372

A question, though. If she's this rich and spoiled, what's the point in scamming people, again? Why not just ask daddy for more money?

>>6485391
I don't think she deliberately set out to scam people as in, "I want to get more money" or "I want these things for free."

I think that the most plausible explanation is that she's been using her grandmother's Paypal account and debit card since her death (when asked how she was buying so much, she said, "Oh my mom died, I'm using my mom's insurance money") and her dad or the bank found out that she was using it without permission and confronted her, so she concocted the identity theft story to cover her ass rather than admit what she's done.

>>6485391
I don't think just because you're well off means you're not susceptible to becoming a thief. Being rich doesn't free you from ethical faults you may originally have.

Look at Winona Ryder. She was a prolific actress and could pay for all the shit and then some she tried to shoplift from Saks Fifth Avenue. She didn't need to do what she did, but she did it anyway.

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