/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>6304386

- you are shallow, spend most of your time thinking about how you look and how others view you rather than doing something productive or something that makes you actually happy with your spare time. You are an attention whore who fantasizes about having people fawn over you and are not happy otherwise, and you have lost friends and relationships in the past because of this on more than one occasion.
- You don’t have control over your life or situation and for the most part will make other people’s lives more completed probably because you behaviors are very destructive. You may be interesting to look at, but you are not worth the time to get to know or have a deep conversation with. You are dismissed and forgotten just as quickly as you make an impression on someone.
Other people assume this when you dress in this fashion, frankly because most of the time there right. People who think otherwise usually have no prior experience with being around people like you and learn very quickly.

>You are frankly slutty and therefore easy. You think you are in love easily after meeting someone, and probably get undressed after the second date, and you quickly become overly needy. You probably have cryonic self-esteem issues because of this.

what does this have to do with lolita
at all
1/10 for making me respond

>>6304386
Why not shorten the whole post to:

'women'

Stopped reading when you capitalized People. Try not to be obvious, dear, I can see you.

>>6304400

this guy!

>>6304386
fallowing

So should we ignore this or turn this into a pretty lolita pictures dump

>>6304408

whats it feel like to be sucking a fat Mexicans dick Lynette Larson?

>>6304427
Who the hell is that and how is this related to cosplay and/or lolita fashion?

>>6304421
Jesus, she's adorable.

>>6304421
That floor is driving me insane.

Assumption I make about people dressed in lolita:

>What a fucking weeaboo.

Lynette Larson had an affair whale she was engaged, then broke up with him for some one she met on the internet for tow years then went back tow him and is now re engaged again. and when she did it she did it outside without a condom and only 20 feet away from a road construction crew behind some bushes. this is a fact.

>>6304421
that's only black lolita i like in life

>assume

>>6304513
She got a blog or something

>>6304386
Attempted insults/trollposts make a lot more impact when proofread, just so you know.

I think this should be a cute lolita thread. Because OP seems butthurt. Or Francis. Unsure.

>>6304548
Or however you spell her name. I don't care.

I adore this colorway so much.

>>6304488
This.

I like Lolita, but it's true. You look like retards to everyone else, don't pretend you don't know. Especially the sweet lolitas, it looks like ageplay.

>>6304386

> You probably have cryonic self-esteem issues
> cryonic self-esteem issues
> cryonic

Fuck yes I do.
Ever been frozen, stored,
then thawed out again when needed?
Makes a guy feel like fishsticks.

(Also you´re an idiot.)

>>6304579

>you look like retards to everyone else

>>6304548
Frances was proven to be not real. So if it is "Frances" it's a troll. The picture they used of Frances was from a BBW lingerie website and the model doesn't go by the name Frances.

>>6304613
just as long as you know

>>6304623
Oh well. Whatever.

Aw, OP's so cute.

As a guy that comes her occasionally for the cosplay part of the board, this is largely how I feel about people that do lolita.

Huh. My folder has a fair amount of fairy kei and boy style in it too.

>>6304675
Souviet, I like you.

>>6304677
>boystyle

postpostpost!

>>6304678
Thank you, Anon!

>6304681
Alrighty!

>>6304681
Whoops, I was quoting this.
But yes, commencing a dump in a dump.

I think this is it, Anon. If I locate anymore, I'll post them just for you.

>>6304421
>Ebony Gothic Lolita
Jesus christ, how cute and adorable!

>>6304548

I second this motion

I need more winter lolitas. I need to figure out how to wander around and not freeze.

so why do you guys just tune this out? are you genuinely unaware of how you're seen, or do you just pretend not to care?

>>6304743
I personally am well aware. Do I care? Not for one second. To have some little old fellow (male or female- both has happened) wander up and say that I'm pretty and I made their day totally makes up for the random idiots who need to shout stupid shit because they have to fuss over what a strange wears on their own body.

>>6304743
They probably just don't give a fuck.

>>6304743
I don't think we're tuning it out - we've heard it a million times, this type of thread gets posted at least a few times a month. It's not exactly breaking news. Lolita is a weird fashion, anyone can see that. If you wear it, you're either completely unaware or you're well aware and have already reconciled with the fact that people will make judgments about you based upon it. Most people here are older, and are part of the latter group.

>>6304743
Why should anyone care what others think when it comes to what they wear? Life is to short spend it worrying about what others think of your clothing. You need to dress to please yourself, not others. After all, it's your life and your body, not theirs.

>>6304476
>>6304513
>>6304710

>>6304743

As a lolita myself I wear these cloths for no one but myself. Its just cloths, a fashion style same as any other generic style out there (goth, emo, chav etc..) it is just an underground style that is increasing in popularity. I wear this fashion for myself, no one else for me it's just a way to dress up nicely.

Personally I do not like to wear trousers and badly sewn cloths. Lolita dresses can easily be worn in a "western" style like a sun dress, but dressing in the full frills is just nice. I still do my daily routines. I cook. I clean. I do the housework. I go to work. I am in a healthy relationship.

I earn my money and I am going to spend it on whatever I want. It just so happens to be that lolita clothing is something I enjoy. Just like any other hobby or enjoyment in life. Personally any alternative style gets crap, even dressing in jeans and a T shirt I have had issues, its just cloths at the end of the day trying to make a bull post this this >>6304386
>>6304394

Is just judging a bunch of people because of one person's view or fetish of what they think a certain style is. When I was a goth/Punk I got perverts all the time thinking I was some sort of fetish model or bold lesbian, in lolita I mostly get "barbie" comments or really lovely people giving me compliments. Everyone has their own experiences but it is JUST CLOTHS, any one who takes it too seriously truly has a problem, again it just so happens I really enjoy wearing lolita and so I wear it daily. If I liked any other fashion style I'd do the same.

>>6304666

why do people think that saying they're a guy makes them being butthurt about others' hobbies a valid opinion? It's obvious that lolita, like cosplay, is a hobby people do for fun and not to look appealing to guys in a sexual way.

>>6304777
Plus, everyone is so worried about what they look like anyways. Half the time they don't even notice.
And if they do and say something, it's because they're a jackass, or because they feel threatened be someone who is totally fine wearing whatever the fuck they want.

>>6304783

Heaven forbid more than 1 person like a black lolita

But OP, people don't assume these things about girls that wear lolita outside their circles.
People assume these things about girls.
All of them.
Period.

>>6304783
People have a different opinion from you! They must all be the same person!

>>6304805
Well dressed black lolitas are wonderful.

>>6304785
>>6304777
>>6304771
>>6304750

Why do it then? It can't be the occasional compliment you're talking about; you can get those when you dress normally.
With cosplay you're also seen as most of these things, but the difference is there is a specific source for it as well as a time and a place.
I guess I don't buy that you say you enjoy compliments and how you look, but then claim not to care when there's negativity.

>>6304816

>>6304816
and they're correct

>>6304792

Not implying anything about gender; I wouldn't get it if I was a girl either.

>>6304823
I enjoy how I look to the point where negativity doesn't matter. That's how I do it. I feel good in the outfit. Why would I care how I strange perceives me? The person I'm dating loves it. I love it. My family loves it. The only ones that don't are /random strangers/. So- I don't give a care. Why give up something I love because people I don't give a fuck about don't like it? That's stupid.

>>6304823
Because it's fun? I personally don't like when there's negativity, I'm pretty thin-skinned. But I rarely encounter it, so it's not that big of a deal. If I stopped doing things I liked because a few times a few people vaguely criticized me about it, well, I'd be a terribly uninteresting person.

>>6304823

Fair's does if that is you're opinion. Just saying this is just how it is for me. The area where I live has a lot of different style cultures so being a lolita here is not anything special. Too many people wear it.

I guess you've never herd that people have different opinions. To you, you may feel lolita is stupid, childish, age play or even just plain over the top. If that is you're opinion good for you, everyone is different but for me its like putting my knickers on everyday, I don't really tend to think about it.

Its just a fun fashion, I'd feel the same wearing any other fashion style. ANY STYLE In the world comes wit negativity but I honestly just laugh it off. Do you think that all lolita's are bffs? The lolita community, (especially online) is full of catty people. Most lolita's always argue over something in fact one of my best friend is a lurker here.

Just because someone wears a certain style does not mean they are any different a person. Cloths don't make you nice, its the personality that backs it that makes the person. I know many loli's who get into fights, smoke pot, take drugs and then on the other spectrum I know many loli's who are nurses, straight edge, full time working parents...

Everyone is different. Cloths do not make the person, just sayin'

>>6304823
Unless you're at work, an event or some sort, a funeral, or a place where chances are high your clothes will get dirty or damaged, you can wear whatever you want whenever you want wherever you want. How is just doing stuff around town or hanging with friends not a time and place to dress in non-mainstream clothing? You don't have to be a slave to t-shirt and jeans everywhere you go unless there's a specific reason to wear something different.

For the compliments, I know for myself, I don't wear lolita for complements. Why would I? If someone tells me it's cute, that's a nice moment, but it's all whatever. Frankly I find it a bit awkward if someone stops me to say they like my outfit. It's like "okay thanks, bye".

And you think I care what other people think of me because.........

aaaand I'm out of pictures.

>>6304874
Second this

>>6304874

You really feel that strongly about regular clothes? Is that the root of it then, you're just trying to stand out, and lolita is your way of doing it?

>>6304869
I know people wrongfully make generalizations, but you have to admit there are some common trends that OP alludes to among this crowd.

>>6304893
I do agree some lolita's piss me off. Some go over bored and act over fake the whole "over kawaii" thing. It annoys me, but that is their choice even if I think them faking who they are is annoying.

I think lolita attracts people who have low confidence issues. Most of which feel dressing in lolita makes them happy and builds there confidence up so it does attract a lot of "forever alone" teens.

I know just because I think its "just cloths" doesn't mean everyone does. I know some people who treat the fashion more like a religion

>>6304893
>you're just trying to stand out, and lolita is your way of doing it
Different anon butting in here, and I wouldn't say so at all. I just love the fashion and wearing things I like makes me happy and I feel really pretty. C:

>>6304912

Couldn't agree more. For me, I'd sooner for example girls wore loli dresses then walk around with their tits and arse hanging out. Loli if anything is a very encouraging fashion, I believe it shows a lot of people that they don't have to strip down to next to no cloths to be beautiful

>>6304912
>>6304921

And what if I told you you could still be really pretty wearing something else?

>>6304893
What did I say that said anything about a strong feeling on regular clothes. I said you don't have to be a slave to them. As in if you want to wear something that's not that, go ahead and do it. Wear what you like and what appeals to you. The world isn't an only clothing people consider normal zone.
I wear regular clothes and I wear lolita. I wear whatever I feel like putting on that day. And that's how it should be for people. Your decision on what you feel like wearing to the store shouldn't be based on what strangers will think of it.

>>6304927
It wouldn't matter because it's not your decision on what should be on their body.

>>6304927
You say that like it's a novel concept.

>>6304927
What if I told you you could eat spaghetti without the sauce?

>>6304927
what if i told you, thats for me to decide

>>6304927
Well if that is what makes you happy then horray. As I've said many times people are entitled to their own opinions. Even if my opinions differ so what? Do whatever makes you feel happy and confident.

We don't all have to be bff's. If you don't agree with someone. However like it or not you must accept that is how they are or at least tolerate it.

Just because I wear frillies dresses does not mean my brother would, you know? He thinks I am extremely over the top but he accepts me for who I am. That is it really.

>>6304933
>>6304934
>>6304942
>>6304944

Not answering the question, though. Notice that?

>>6304928
Yes, your language and demeanor lead me to believe you feel that way on some level.

>>6304946
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just picking your brains.

>>6304944
What if I told you I can tell the difference between butter and "I can not believe its not butter"?

>>6304952
I would say you're a witch

>>6304950
How are you supposed to answer that question? "Wow, I hadn't thought of that before? Please tell me how I can be pretty in something else! This is extremely new information."

>>6304950

Then I am enjoying you're company. I know how interesting it can be getting the knows the mind set of things but I am curious, what are you're opinions of lolita? Have they been effected by some you have met? or just cgl?

I know that everyone fashion style has a tell but lolita can attract the crazies and weird people

>>6304952
What if I told you that you can eat at T.G.I. Fridays on days other than Friday?

>>6304957

Wizard actually

I like how the people who are against lolita seem more butthurt than the actual lolitas. I don't get why people seem to have more beef with lolita than other fashion styles. Even wear haute couture pieces can be seen as too much so why not pick on people who wear those pieces? Or gyarus? Or "normal clothes"?

It's all just clothes anyway so who cares? People wear what they want and it's simple as that.

>>6304950
noticed that ours all say we dont care?

>>6304961

Blasphemy!

>>6304927
Then that's fine, but I don't know you, so why should I care? You're free to have your own opinions, but god damn. I'm not going to wear something if I don't like how it looks.

>>6304950
Your question was answered. You can say hey you'll look pretty in something else, and the person can choose to continue with what they think is pretty. Because it's their choice.
What kind of answer are you wanting? "Oh yeah I'll totally take your recommendations and dress how you want."

>>6304964
Yeah I've spotted this myself. Our local comm meet up happen to be near this local cosplay meet up (completely unrelated to each other) but between us both is this group of scene / emo kids that hang around.

They tend to waltz over and ask us a million and one questions about what we wear then they have arguments amongst each other over what we are wearing. Its incredibly confusing

>>6304927
Most people who wear lolita also wear many other styles of clothing. Lolita is just one of many ways of feeling pretty, which can be used at different times or for different moods. I wear jeans and tshirts when I'm feeling lazy, heels and sleeveless dresses when I want to feel a little sexy, lolita when I want to feel sort of fancy and just a little goofy/fun. There's lots of different ways of feeling "good" in clothing.

>>6304955

Why not wear something that will give you the same positive feelings you get with lolita, but without the stigma?

>>6304959
As I said earlier, the first few points OP makes seem accurate to me. I'm looking at it through the lens of sociology, though. There is a lot of correlation.

>>6304961

What if I told you Beef Bisto gravy contains no animal products?

>>6304978

I'm well aware it's a choice, that goes without saying. It's why you make that choice that I'm interested in.

>>6304985
There are already other types of clothing that can fit any of your moods without crossing any reasonable boundaries, though. Do you just want to cross them on purpose, then?

>>6304986

I have no stigma in lolita. Again to me its just cloths. I think people are a bit annoyed because lolita is being "attacked" because someone has a personal dislike for it, when other are saying "its cloths, calm down"

I can see why some of these points could be added but you've got to think, all that is said here
>>6304386
Could be said about ANY fashion. From my own experiences the only people who wear lolita and have problems with other people about it tend to be elitist or people who have their own self confidence issues.

>>6304986
Because we enjoy wearing lolita. We think it's cute, we like the look. We can wear something else we think is cute, and then also wear lolita which we also think is cute. Again, why would we have to stop wearing something we like and enjoy wearing because of other people's opinions on it. I think what you're not understanding is people will like what they like regardless as to what others think of it. No one's going to stop doing something because you don't like it.

>>6305007
>I think what you're not understanding is people will like what they like regardless as to what others think of it. No one's going to stop doing something because you don't like it.

This.

>>6304986
>sociology

Yes, please enlighten us on what your freshmen year sociology class has taught you.

>>6305018

Sorry but haha

>>6305018
Ahahaha oh god
I love you anon
I really do.

>>6305003
What boundaries are people crossing by wearing lolita? It's clothing. There are men that get sexually excited seeing women in pants suits. Should women stop wearing it because there are people that consider it sexy? Same can be said about a ton of women's fashions.
If men are getting sexual thrills from me wearing a knee length poofy dress, that sounds like their own personal problem and is of no concern to me. They need to learn to control themselves.

>>6305007

No one asked you to stop, don't worry about that.
It seems clear based on the defensive reactions many of you give that you're used to opposition. Given the point raised about lolita's esteem and attention issues, could it be that the negative attention serves as a preferable substitute to little or no attention at all?
I wouldn't expect any of you to admit something like this, especially since it may just be on a subconscious level, but it's food for thought.

>>6305032
If you continuously poke a dog and it bites you in return, do you wonder if it only bit you because it likes negative attention? Just some food for thought.

>>6305003
Me in particular? I wear mostly casual lolita, so I'm not as into crossing boundaries as others. I don't like outfits that stand out as specifically lolita or "out there". I still stand out a bit, but not so much that people ask why I'm wearing what I am. I've only ever gotten compliments when wearing it in casual way.

However, I can understand how others might, specifically for the "fun" aspect. Sure, you can be playful with clothes while wearing relatively normal clothing, but there is something a little invigorating about just saying "fuck it" and wearing something that feels more fantastical than practical or normal. I don't know how to really describe it other than "fun". It's fun to jostle people's expectations - some are confused, but most recognize that you're purposefully pushing a boundary, and really enjoy it (so long as the setting is appropriate). It's novel for them, and injects a little light-hearted enjoyment into your own life. At least, that's how I've always perceived it.

>>6305018

You don't find an objective, non-judgmental approach to be more appealing than the typical banter that OP and others hurl on a regular basis? I can always call you names instead, if you're into that.

>>6305050
>objective, non-judgmental approach

Please, do go on.

Are you writing a paper or some shit, the same can be said about anything a woman wears. Either she underdressed or overdressed. People would always comment on it. We don't give two shits. I don't go out think about what the lady at the store thinks of my outfit regardless if I'm in Lolita or not.

>>6305028
I can agree with this so much.

>>6305032
What is there to admit? The only problem I have is when I first met other lolita's I was nervous because I was unsure how they'd act. If anything the only issue I have is with people trying to tell me how I "should" dress because of there own personal dislike for the fashion. BTW this is a rare occurrence so far its been only my mother and seemingly "you" guesstimating that I have issues with the public eye when honestly I don't.

>>6305043
You.
I love you.
In a non-sexual, person-i-just-read-an-awesome-post-from-on-the-internet sort of way.

>>6305050
If you think sociology is objective then you really haven't made it past 101. Thanks for confirming that.

>>6305058
>>6305058
>Are you writing a paper or some shit, the same can be said about anything a woman wears. Either she underdressed or overdressed. People would always comment on it. We don't give two shits. I don't go out think about what the lady at the store thinks of my outfit regardless if I'm in Lolita or not.

This Guy

>>6305043

I've clearly stated I'm not in disagreement, so you can't really play the victim here.

>>6305054
>>6305063

No offense, but you're confirming a few of OP's points right now.
I think my questions are fairly harmless, but you're free to not answer them.

>>6305062
I aim to please.

Note on the "sexual" aspect: If someone finds an outfit that I have a difficulty getting into to pee in 'sexual', it sounds like a personal problem. My outfit is not sexual.

>>6305063

I personally think the whole judging someone for how they dress is a bit daft, lolita's do it to each other to. Its just cloths man. Pic related

Can we all stop feeding the troll, please?

>>6305074
The problem might be that your questions are not as "harmless" or "objective" as you think. Just some food for thought.

>>6305032
All people have been telling you is why they wear the fashion & why they won't stop wearing it.
Lolita is just a fashion. Anything that's not toned down normal clothing will get attention from people. There's even a thread on one of these pages talking about how even wearing dressier regular clothing gets people stares from strangers. And apparently it's negative stares half the time. The norm for society (at least in the USA) is jeans, and some sort of plain shirt. Anything more than get will get stares. And if you like wearing more than that, then you just have to deal with the stares, because by god if you're going to let people's reactions and looks keep you in one type of clothing forever. Always afraid to wear something you like for the fear of being stared at.

>>6305077

To touch on the other aspects of this, what about the cultural one? Is this generally more accepted in Asian countries. I genuinely don't know.

>>6305082

I am not "feeding" any trolls, I am honestly curious about this person opinions, if anything I am debating. Just wanted to clarify that. They do seem to be honestly trolling but something seems to be this person is curious into the mind set of someone who wears this fashion.

>>6305077
Plus there's lots of lolita porn out there.
I mean, apparently, there's lots of that.
So of course someone's going to find the clothes sexual.
If porn stars all started wearing t-shirts with the chanel logo on them, then suddenly that would be seen as a sexy-times-only and not in public sort of thing.

>>6305089
>All people have been telling you is why they wear the fashion & why they won't stop wearing it.
>Lolita is just a fashion. Anything that's not toned down normal clothing will get attention from people. There's even a thread on one of these pages talking about how even wearing dressier regular clothing gets people stares from strangers. And apparently it's negative stares half the time. The norm for society (at least in the USA) is jeans, and some sort of plain shirt. Anything more than get will get stares. And if you like wearing more than that, then you just have to deal with the stares, because by god if you're going to let people's reactions and looks keep you in one type of clothing forever. Always afraid to wear something you like for the fear of being stared at.

I's just like to add to this that the same issues occur in England too. Its a world thing

>>6305088

As I said, if I'm striking a nerve for some reason, you're welcome to not answer. All you're really doing right now is enforcing the cattiness stereotype Fluffy mentioned.

>>6305101
This is what I was getting to. You're saying this would be more normal in another country? To oversimplify, you're just well-dressed female weeaboos?

>>6305082
He doesn't really seem like a troll, at least not in the typical sense. He just seems to be carrying on a slightly critical but not particularly aggressive conversation, in the form of probing questions. I think it's kind of fun.

>>6305112

Glad someone gets it. I know you're not used to this, but the reactive hints of hostility are amusing.

>>6305111
Honestly, dude. The reason you're getting catty remarks is because you're repeating the same thing over and over, expecting some different response from us. Instead of getting answers (which we've said multiple times), you're just poking the bear. You haven't stuck a nerve with the content at all. You have merely become irritating.

>>6305111
>if I'm striking a nerve for some reason, you're welcome to not answer.
...Weren't you attempting to prove some bullshit point earlier by noting how some had not answered?

>>6305120

No one is keeping you.

>>6305124

You have crossed the line from "curious anon" into "annoying idiot who cannot read"

You keep saying the same things over and over again because you're not getting the answers you want

>>6305111
And you seem to just be acting purposely obtuse. Others have explained their reasoning to you but you keep asking the same questions. What are you looking for? Some reason to say op is right? Isn't that just baiting?

>>6305111
So by just wearing the clothes we are weeaboos. What about the ppl in japan who wears Chanel or Gucci.
Ask a new question or more on.

>>6305111
Countries don't own fashions. There are fashions and clothing that have originated in different countries that catch on with people in another country and becomes a global fashion or something people start wearing all over. Lolita is the exact same except it's to extreme for most people to feel comfortable wearing.
So saying you're trying to be (insert race here) makes no sense. It's all a matter of people wearing clothing they see and like. Has been done many many times.

>>6305135
They're brandaboos.

>>6305127

There were several people responding, some even constructively. Even responses that don't actually answer still provide me with insight, but if you're just upsetting yourself by being here, I don't see any reason for you to subject yourself to it.

>>6305130
Touch on the sexual and cultural aspects I brought up, if you want. Not many have, yet.

>>6305133
They haven't been the same, there is just some overlap with multiple people. The questions are part probing and part lack of knowledge. How lolita is treated in other countries, for instance; I don't know.

>>6305120

Unfortunately this is true, souviet is right, saying the same stuff over and over is becoming tiresome.

>>6305111
Now that is a bit of a rude statement if you knew loltia fashion history, the style is inspired by British and western culture. It is inspired by rococo and Victorian dresses.

I may have been a bit weebish when I was a teenager I will admit that, but as an adult the way I wear lolita is certainly more elegant. A weebaoo is someone who "abuses" the culture and for me I can honestly say I know very little of anime and I am actually studying Japanese as i wish to be a tutor. Judging people for how they dress is incredibly childish I must say and can be quite taken as quite a negative when you try and push an opinion upon someone.

Remember its just cloths, let us not reduce ourselves to petty insults

I don't dress lolita because while I like the aesthetic, there are lots of aesthetics I enjoy and I also like blending into a crowd. In my dream world, we are all amazing lolitas. Other issue is the weebs here that harass anyone attractive, Asian, cosplaying, nerdy, Lolita, or, God have mercy, anyone who is all of the above, because the weebs at my college are disgusting people who want to believe they are alpha ughoo kawaii.

That being said.

There are two camps of cosplayers/lolitas here. The weebs, which I've described, who have shit-tier stuff and are kinda as described. They buy overpriced stuff and complain that they don't win contests for basically wearing Leg Avenue costumes with overpriced accessories that don't even match the cosplay but are "similar" (they are not).

Then, there are the cosplayer/lolitas that do stuff on the side and when they do it, go all out. They make their costumes, go to cons, live normal lives. Only one of them wears lolita nearly daily, but she wears it in a really casual way: bodyline/other less expensive brands or home made stuff, less frilly/patterned, more plain/solid colored but not in black or white or pastels: seasonal, so right now, lots of brown, gray, oxblood, etc. She just looks like a very feminine girl who likes frilly skirts, and nobody thinks jackshit about it, except the weebs who are dicks about it because they wear rainbow tutus from Hot Topic daily that they never wash, and their outfits are shit, neither /fa/ nor /cgl/ approved.

OP generalizes and that sucks.

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>>6305152

Sure, the base style itself is easy to see, but obviously most of the pics posted are Asian girls. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that it's more popular there, would it?
A weeaboo is just a fun blanket term that doesn't have any truly specific meaning. I'm just being facetious when I use it.

>>6305150
Well, to answer one question, how lolita is treated in other countries: In Asian countries, such as Japan, lolita is slightly more acceptable, but overall it's still seen as pretty "weird". Everyone pretty much knows what it is, so you won't be confronted on that front. And because it's more common/understood, it's not seen as as surprising. However, it's still generally perceived as strange/odd.

>>6305152
On the weeb thing: Pretty much that. Except I don't understand or care to understand the language. I think cosplay (of a series that I've been cosplaying for 4 years) and lolita are my only two attachments to anything japanese. I don't even watch much anime. Never have, really. I think I've watched all of 2-3 in the past 4 years. The history is good, but that would mark me as a history major, not a weeb.
Liking 1-2 things from japan =/= weeb.

>>6305169
Still it is usually used as a negative and plain insult rather than wag·gish on cgl.

Well of course in Japan it is incredibly popular fashion style, but its does not mean there isn't a huge popularity for ti all over the world. You could say the same for ALL fashion styles

>>6305157

Like I said before, generalization is usually wrong, but there is some strong correlation among lolita and certain unfavorable traits that I'm sure you've all heard. Correlation is not causation, mind you, but still.

I think the factions are pretty interesting, actually. Almost like tribal disputes, at times. It's good to make the distinction, though; I know not all people that wear lolita are the same.

>>6305169
>A weeaboo is just a fun blanket term that doesn't have any truly specific meaning.
Excuse me, but I beg to differ.
Weaboo - A non japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves japanese. They try to learn japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.

>>6305171
>>6305183

Well these seem to contradict a bit, eh?

>>6305187
This.

The term is certainly more wanton than facetious

(also damn max image submission reached)

>>6305189
That just means one of them doesn't know their shit.

>>6305187

That's just a meaning you've personally assigned to it. It's only a made-up word for use in a comic strip that I'm sure you've seen. Though I don't dispute that it can be used as a slur, it's still just jibberish at the end of the day.

>>6305189
it depends on what they each deem as popular in Japan. Im sure second anon meant in a place like Tokyo, but as Japan in a whole its not.

>>6305166

Also:

None of the cool ones are emotional wrecks, they all have jobs and save most of their money, spending their money in a smarter way than the weeb kids (1 piece for 200 instead of 20 pieces for 40), are pretty fit because they're normal people that work out or eat right and don't live on pocky and ramune, which is a treat and not a meal, they're not slutty because they're busy, aren't bitchy, aren't shallow and obsessed with /cgl/ stuff, and at least they can write a better post than OP and make better arguments.

On the other hand, among the weeb kids, a good portion are emotional wrecks and are bad with money. One of them ordered a bunch of pocketwatches off of etsy because they were "handmade" (at $20/each? really?) even after I linked her to the wholesaler and an eBayer selling them cheaper, and pointed out that the seller on etsy didn't even remove the wholesaler's watermark.

A few of them are fat but they still wear clothes that don't fit their bodies well, or anyone's, for the most part. For instance, one girl is massive and really really gay. Like gay-gay. She never shuts up about it so she always wears rainbow knee-high toe socks with rainbow flip flops, black shirts with a rainbow motif, black skirts, etc. Rainbow and black 100% of the time, but the blacks and the rainbows don't all match up (different shades) and she looks like a mess, and it's too tight on her too.

Some of the weebs are wannabe sluts, some aren't. A good number are dicks, but that's because they're weebs and there's a mob mentality with that group, but nobody here really hates them, we just feel sorry for them.

No idea how "no control over life or situation" is an argument, OP, because if it's true that they have no control over their lives, why are you blaming them for something they have no control over? Would you also shame the mentally retarded or the maimed?

>>6305194

Hah, and because I don't know any better, this is what makes things difficult.

>>6305189

I never said anything about how it is different only that it is incredibly more popular. That is true, that does not mean in anyway shape or form that is it not still frowned upon. Don;t try to mix words for the sake of mixing words.

Now you truly are just digging to make problems

>>6305196
It's actually a word filter on here that replaces "wapanese" with weaboo.
wapanese is indeed a slur, and since weaboo is being used in place of it, it now has that meaning.
Does that make sense?

>>6305204
>>6305196
replaced* damnit

>>6305189

I'm >>6305171 and to clarify, lolita IS relatively popular in Japan. The thing is, though, it's still not mainstream. It's more common than in the US, but it's not something that most or even a lot of people wear. There is a lot of mainstream "cute" style though, so certain aspects of lolita that are strange in the US are more acceptable there: contacts, wigs, fake nails, and what would be considered childlike symbols are actually pretty normal there for teens and young adults (and even middle-aged adults to a certain degree). Full on lolita, though, is still not "typical" by a long-shot.

>>6305200

Some of these people are more than a pretty face and with /cgl/ stuff, it's less creepy for me to approach someone for having a cool outfit than it would be for me to approach someone for having a very /fa/ outfit. I met a few of my friends that have /cgl/ interests through conversations about their outfits that, like any convo, turned into a conversation about other stuff, leading to us getting to know each other and (gasp) becoming friends!


Is lolita, /cgl/, or the lolita community as a whole perfect? No. Is it black and white? No. I'm sure that lots of my friends that are currently cool /cgl/ people used to be as lame if not lamer than the weebs, but they've matured and grown, and in time, hopefully the weebs will too, and while the weebs are annoying, it's not like they're too terrible because they keep their issues contained in their own clique, and that's perfectly fine. They hate everyone else, nobody really likes them, but that's pretty much it. None of "teh evil prepz" are bullying them or anything.


Note: I do have friends in the cool /cgl/ category who have shitty outfits, and there are a few kids in the weeb group with shit outfits, it's just that one group does dress better than the other, but that's not why I'm friends with one group over the other. Picking between being friends with a large group of people that most other people like, or being friends with a group of 20 everybody dislikes who have lots of drama and would detract from my life wasn't a hard decision.

>>6305196

I seriously hate it when people mix up weeaboo and wapanese.

>>6305187

You mean wapanese. Thanks.

>>6305200
>No idea how "no control over life or situation" is an argument, OP, because if it's true that they have no control over their lives, why are you blaming them for something they have no control over? Would you also shame the mentally retarded or the maimed?

I second this. No matter what someone wears their lives and personal circumstances may differ. One could simply but a brat but another may be staggered with life due to nursing for a sick family member. Everyone comes from different backgrounds, what they wear is circumstantial

>>6305189
>>6305209
If you go over to the popular shopping districts, you'll see a lot of lolitas and other styles just chillin.
So it's more concentrated in the places where it's accepted that you're going to see a lot of weird shit anyways.

>>6305204

Lol, had no idea.

>>6305202

You've been reasonable so far, no need to lose your poise now. I'm not accusing, just pointing out for clarification.
>>6305200

I'm not sure OP has even been here for some time.

>>6305209
2nd this

>>6305209

This makes more sense. It's easier to end up with a style like lolita when the little details like fake nails and lashes are already the norm, right?

>>6305218
It just seemed like a far fetched accusation tis all, was rather confusing to see what I wrote, that was very limited btw read out of context so abundantly when all i said was a fact.

Reading out of the lines was fixed by clarification. The way you worded things seems intentional digging TBF.

Regardless I hope that people information and opinions here have started to sate your curiously, after all it is starting to become repeated statements over and over

>>6305226

Exactly. The fakery in other countries is more the norm/acceptable due to high street fashions. It is also a lot easier to buy things like that over here because of it.

>>6305184

Nah, there isn't, except from the losers like the weebs.

You know how in high school, there's a loser group, and everyone else? At my college, the loser group is 20-50 people large, and they're losers because:

* They harass people
* They play the victim card
* When confronted, ignore the person asking them to stop harassing/being annoying/whatever, or pretend they didn't do anything (for instance, people asked them to please not LARP in the library, they refused, security had to come)

Are they visible? Yes. Does anyone with half a brain think that because they're the loudest, they represent all LARPers, LGBT people, anime/manga/Japanophiles, cosplayers, lolitas, goths, etc.? No.

>>6305237

It's only repetitive to you because you're familiar with it and take it for granted. I know you all claim not to care, but if you want more acceptance, you have to be more open.

>>6305240
See, this makes things more understandable. It doesn't answer how the style manage to cross cultures, but I think we can infer a few things just based on where we are right now.

>>6305243

Because almost everyone has dealt with a negative stereotype. Girls who play lacrosse deal with the lacrosstitute stereotype. Athletes are called jocks and evil prepz, girls who dress normally/"/fa/" are called shallow when some of them really don't give a shit what they wear and are just wearing what their parents send them/clothes to blend in (what I do), LGBT people get compared to Gay Pride Parade people and die cis scummers, etc.

In every group, there are dicks. There's no dick-free group, or I'd join it. Lolita has shitty people, cosplay has shitty people, every board has shitty people too. There are assholes on /fa/ who think neo-nazi looks are the only good look and are basically people from /pol/ who can't think past aesthetics, there's pretty much all of /pol/ and their men's rights' activists, there's the assholes on /x/ who pretend they're actually wizards, there's the /mlp/ raiders, the /soc/ attentionwhores who people dislike (as opposed to ones people do like), the people who post on /sci/ for homework help, people on /r/ who post a million requests and answer none, people who post comics nobody wants to see on /d/, etc.

There are always going to be people that only see black people as thugs, gays as deviant pedophiles, women as sex toys, etc. And do their opinions usually matter? No.

Who is the idiot who keeps writing "cloths" instead of "clothes"?

>>6305256

The reason people here hate the weebs is because they're dicks, the same way some of the athletes here are dicks, but the weebs push it. If the lacrosse team was practicing in the library, people would be upset too. They'd be upset if the theatre kids used the library as a practice space too, or if the athletes were yelling threats at people, or if the College Democrats were harassing Asians about facts about Japan when asked to stop. If there was a worse group, we'd hate them, and I'm sure that somewhere, there's a group of Goths pulling this shit, a group of /diy/ kids, a group of computer science majors, etc.

Get the fuck over it.

tl;dr everybody poops

>>6305243
>anyone with half a brain
See, but the people with less than that are the ones that think they represent all of those groups, and proceed to spread it around.
And god knows America is full of those dimwits.

>>6305259
>everybody poops
That is a great book, by the way.

>>6305254
What part of "Its just cloths" was not got? Have I not said that through this whole post? Just sayin saying i "have to be more open" is a bit of a condescending contrition to yourself considering I have said this non stop

Fashion is ever evolving. It changes all the time, you'll find even high street fashion has dresses inspired by lolita fashion these days. Even fairy kei, gyaru etc... Fashion is an metamorphose. Many things mix to create something it is just how it is. I can not answer "how the style manage to cross cultures" without making you sound a bit dumb. (no offence intended)

I'd call it common scene and culture. People form around the world all live ALL AROUND THE WORLD, we all try different cultures all the times whether it is FASHION or food! It is normal to cross cultures, it human nature

>>6305260
That would be me, pardon haha

>>6305256
>>6305259

>tl;dr everybody poops

>>6305262

So surround yourself with smarter people and give less of a shit what idiots have to say because they literally don't know better, and it sucks but whatever.

Valuing everyone's opinion is ridiculous. You can be polite and listen to what they have to say, but you don't have to agree with what they say or anything.

For instance, I have a homophobic grandma who is really really racist too, so she goes on rants and also calls me names (I'm half Asian, she's full white) but whatever. I honestly don't care too much, I've never even cried about it, because I don't like her much either, but I know my dad does, and I don't like him but I'm nice to him because he's a sad man. And they're not even American! They're Brits.

I pass by hundreds of people a day, living in a city. How many of them see me and hate me and think something about me based on something shallow? Probably a lot, I don't care, it's not worth thinking about.

>>6305259
>>6305256

I suppose it's good you're owning up to the dark side of lolita, though I don't think anyone would deny it.

>>6305269
I wasn't directly asking you how the fashion moved here, but since you mention it, it seems safe to assume places like this and people like you have acted as a bridge.
This does beg another question, though: how long has lolita been around on this side of the world? What really got you all into it in the first place?

>>6305282
I got into it because of /cgl/. But, unless I've gone utterly daft, I think it's been over here for damn near a decade? (Can someone verify this?)

>>6305282
>how long has lolita been around on this side of the world?
Since the internet.

>>6305284

That would certainly be much shorter than I expected.

>>6305282

You're twisting what I wrote. I didn't say there is a dark side of Lolita at all. The group I was talking about is a mix of different people, one or two of whom think they're Lolita and identify as such when nobody here would consider them that, but maybe the average person wouldn't know the difference. Still, nobody hates them for being Lolita, they hate them for other things.

This isn't a dark side of Lolita issue, it's about how some people are dicks, Lolita or otherwise.

You can be a dick and be a baseball player, a mechanic, a Goth, a prep, someone on Wall Street, a gay, a trans person, whatever. You can also be one of those things and not be a dick. Being a dick isn't group specific, but dicks are louder than non-dicks and can make a group bad, but that doesn't mean the group is actually bad.

For instance, if someone has a cap on a tooth, it makes their mouth look bad, but the rest of the teeth are perfectly fine. It's just the cap is different and that's what people sometimes focus on. But nobody who matters or has half a brain sticks in that narrow minded mindset for long.

>>6305286
It could easily be longer. I'm shit with numbers, frankly. And I've only been in the fashion for a year, with another year of study before that.

>>6305284
Somewhere from eight to ten years is right.

>>6305288

Yes, I can assure you we're referring to the same thing. There are people with issues in any circle, and lolita is no exception. I'm just saying it's good that you aren't trying to justify everyone in your own circle

.>>6305289
That would be pretty close to the time 4chan showed up. Kind of funny.

>>6305282

Ah I see, a rhetorical question was it? My apologies.

Good point. This info may differ to most but this is what I had discovered. Well from what I've discovered from my research lolita started getting spotted in England at least in the mid 1990's. It was mostly spotted due to visuel kei music, like malice mizer and fashion designers Viviene Westwood when she made her rocking horse shoes range.

For me I was introduced to the fashion from a young age but never truly got into it until was roughly 14. I was heavily into J rock music at that point, Malice mizer being one of them. At first I met a few of my Japanese friends down London who helped buy me my first co-ord, I did a bit of research and well that was it really. The intricate designs, the dress construction and mostly the elegant fit of the dresses more or less shot gunned me in the face. I was quite a goth/punk as a teen and when I discovered lolita properly (my first brand item was from Metamorphose) it just fitted me so well. I do not mean he shape, more who I was.

I did enjoy goth cloths and punk, but the tight fitted rough style to me did not speak who I was, I put on a dress and started wearing them daily. It was just comfortable, easy to get and something I enjoyed. I haven't looked back since TBH

>>6305295

What's with the overlap between lolita and goth? Seems to me they would have no business relating, but they do.

>>6305297
Go look up Malice Mizer and you'll see.
It's a mix between Gothic and Lolita. Hence, EGL or Elegant Gothic Lolita, a term coined by Mana.
Mana would be the guy you see in dresses, by the way.

>>6305297

Maybe the music? I learned of other lolita styles when I kept up to date with my favorite Japanese musicians TBH, most of those artist happened to be Goth.

So Goth bands/ visual kei going more Gothic lolita I guess? I tend to wear more hime and sweet style clothes TBF

>>6305297
>>6305297
i just dont like when noobs take the gothic part literally

>>6305300
Originally Lolita was very flat. There was Gothic Lolita, Sweet lolita and Classic. Any other styles were classed as just 100% sub styles that weren't very popular, but as time grew so did the fashion, hence why not there are many styles of lolita fashion.

Mana is basically the guy who made lolita famous, he took on the look that was a sub style and its popularity grew massively.

>>6305307
Be courteous to our guest, young sir and/or madam!
Though they can be a tad obtuse at times, and the probing questions can get obnoxious, certainly they mean no harm.
So, why get on the defensive? Calm your tits and let's carry on with this enlightening conversation we have going.

>>6305310
>not there

Now there*

>>6305310
Lolita was also originally ugly as hell half the time. Lace monsters EVERYWHERE.
And nobody gave a fuck, because they looked damn kawaii.

>>6305300
>>6305302

Again, this make slightly more sense now. Though I would still like to know more about what motivates people here to do lolita, I'm sure I've lingered long enough.
I may come back at some day for another crowd's perspective.

>>6305112
Thanks again, if you're here. You're cool and we should get married.

>>6305314
I don't know, I think they are being Acute

>>6305316
It truly was, the use of bad lace was short lived but back then it was basically mostly handmade, so people used what they could to make the dresses. I really admire a lot of old school lolita's because half of them worked really hard to make each and every piece before in Japan and such it became easy to get

>>6305327
You just like the "probing", don't you?

>>6305321

Well if I see you asking again I'll be sure to drag some people with me to provide their opinions also.

I think my main motivation is "Why not?" haha

>>6305328
Any day, every day *wink wink* Can not say no to a good debate~

>>6305292

No, we're not, I'm saying Lolita is separate from human nature, so there isn't a "dark side of Lolita". Leave me the fuck out of your convoluted argument.