/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

“Crypt Lolita”

"Pastel Goth Lolita"

"Punk Lolita"

hmm this tickles my fancy CONTINUEE

>>6273696
I think this would work well casually if it wasn't for the black lipstick, eyeliner, hair that needs to be dyed and cruddy shoes.

>>6273708
That's not too bad actually, but need's a bit more to be punk lolita.

>>6273697
It looks nice but it would be nicer if the jsk was an OP. Not too short on the sneakers with the socks. The hair is nice but the bow just looks stuck on there, maybe she should place it to the side instead of dead center

>>6273692
>>6273696
Not too bad but the bangs are cut strangely and the accessories look like they were put on last minute. Looks more "goth" than lolita

>>6273708
There's such a thing as punk lolita bro.

>>6273708

It's no the all-over tartan punk lolita we're used to, but it's clearly lolita with a lot of punk elements. Seems reasonable to me.

>>6273747
(Different anon) It's not really the right silhouette, the skirt is wrong shape as it flares too low down.

>>6273692
>Horrible lolita substyles

Seems like you badly misspelled "Ita"

>>6273696
This is a shitty excuse for lolita. "Crypt Lolita" seriously...What the actual fuck?
Just because you put on a poofy skirt with a petticoat, doesn't mean you can call it lolita. It has all the shitty elements of goth and punk and casual lolita. Having a gothic haircut doesn't make it 'crypt' or whatever the fuck.
Also, casual, punk and ero are the worst things about lolita fashion besides OTT and new style sweet (I don't mind old school stuff, back before prints and it was all about the lace and ruffles for decoration)

>>6273791
>Also, casual, punk and ero are the worst things about lolita fashion

Former punk here, I agree. Girls trying to make punk look "cute" just need to stop. Punk isn't and never was about looking cute. I can't help but blame Avril Lavigne.

>>6275906
or maybe youre just ugly?

>>6275906

'bittersweet'. 98% of the time it's just sweet lolita in black (not even much black in this case). or with really tacky costumey accessories. you're not edgy.

>>6275949
used the wrong picture. this one is better, no idea what is meant to be 'bitter' about it.

>>6275951
Proabably that Hot Topic jacket, look at dem buttons, military as fuck. This chicks to hardcore for you too.

>>6275925

My looks have nothing to do with the matter. I'm only saying, punk isn't supposed to be cutesy.

>>6273696
>>6273697
Those are kind of cute, but they're just goth. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not lolita.

>>6275971
Fashions borrows bits and bobs from other fashions; deal with it.
I don't like when people wear a fringed dress that stops mid thigh and call themselves a flapper, but it's not like it's going to stop just because I don't like it.

>>6275906
I agree with you. Punk isn't about aesthetically pleasing chains draped perfectly wherever you can find space over the usual predictable red tartan and black fishnets or whatever. And the cute make-up that goes along with it! Lord...it just isn't true punk and that's why lolita is on the board for cosplay, not fashion. Because girls think punk is cute.

>>6275985

I know that, but then why call the new trend the same as the original? In both cases, why do people feel the need to thin that just because something has elements of something else (like, for example, lolita) that it can be called by the same name?

sage for offtopic

>>6275985
>Thread for subcultures we don't like
>Fashion borrows bits from other fashions
>Deal with it, it's not going to stop because you don't like it
Why are you even here?

>>6273696
It's good to see Triana's still doing her thing.

>>6275993

Hng thank you. Part of the reason I loves punk so much was because you couldn't buy shit from a shop and call it punk without getting laughed at. Punk make their own clothes. The DIY-ness of it was incredible because at the end of the day you had turned a bunch of basics (pants, shirts, various materials) into a totally unique custom look.

>>6276009
>*loved
>*punks

ugh fuck ignore the typos. long day was long.

>>6276009
i think you're romanticizing punk a little too much

i remember most people using mom and dad's mone to buy expensive brand clothing and ruin it for the punk look and side of "fuck capitalism"

it was pretty dumb

Punk lolita =/= Punk

What punk lolita is, and my shitty interpretation of what punk lolita would actually look like if it was actually derived from what punk fashion actually is.

>>6276027
Dif anon here, but punk was more going through bags dumped at second hand stores and picking out the right kind of items and "decorating" them with whatever shit you could find. Back in your day, at your preppy little rich school, I'm sure all the kids did the fucking of capitalism though with their parents money.

I wouldn't really call the 'punk style' lolita. I never really understood why it was always classified as a sub-catagory.

Regardless, the punk inspired outfits are defo a 'sweetened' style that's not very popular and is often done wrong.

I think when it's done correctly, it can look really cute. I wish more people would do it better.

>>6276049
>preppy little rich

lol someone is making a lot of assumptions

i'm just talking about people i saw in my city

you're really taking a dead fashion really seriously

>>6276053
I think you're making too many assumptions about the people in your city.
>People used mum and dads money to buy fashion to do political bullshit
>Oh, I just saw people in my city dress up in punk
Oh you.

>>6276058
more like people i hung out with in an effort to know other fans of punk music in my area?

and most of them were rich brats playing at being poor?

>>6276062
You can't say that someone's romanticizing punk simply because your experience was shitty and irrelevant.

>>6275949
I wish bittersweet was a real style. I love sweet style in dark blue, wine, black, navy.. I love sweet elements but love gothic colors! WHAT THE FUCK DO I CALL THIS

I wish people would focus more on making their outfits look good, rather than to "loli-fy" everything.

Everyone wants to be a magical ~*LOLITA*~, and will try to shoehorn their personal style into the guidelines of the fashion to be accepted into the subculture.

This especially sucks when people have no sense of fashion in either "genre" of clothing.

Or they are an attention-whore, who wants all the notes on Tumblr for being a special snowflake pastel goth-steampunk-OTT-classical lolita.

>>6276062
>and most of them were rich brats playing at being poor?

Correction: those preppy shits were "fashionpunks". They weren't really punk, they just adopted the label to be edgy and different.

Think of it this way- you know how sometimes in threads it pops up that fakebois piss everyone off because of how they're ruining everything for real FTMs by calling themselves trans? It's like that. In your case, you met a bunch of fashionpunks, so don't form your entire opinion of punk from them, because they weren't really punks.

>>6276073
I guess the closest is classic lolita?

I like the same stuff too, I'm into darker colors, but sweeter elements.

Favourite style is classic, but it seems to be dying..

>>6276088
Uh... Classic is more popular than ever before.

>>6276039

I was with you until "shitty shoes". The reason so many punks wear doc martens is because of their durability as work boots, and the reason their shoes are so shitty is because the punk life tends to destroy shoes and clothes pretty quickly... that paired with the fact that not many punks own more than one pair of shoes in the first place.

>>6276082
This. Definitely this. Everyone wants to create their own style/lable/signature look instead of actually just trying to master the basics of lolita which everyone just thinks "Oh, I read all the rules, I get it, I know them all, I don't have to actually apply it physically. I can just go ahead and experiment now before I actually put the rules into practise"

>>6276073

I don't see why it wouldn't be a real style. The pic you quoted was terrible because it was just a dressing the black colorway with a shitty bolero.

>>6276107
>*couldn't

oops

>>6276095
I meant shitty as in they're always worn down to butt fuckery. But yeah, totally get what you're saying.

>>6276096
Lolita meets around the area I live are 90% sweet.

Gothic and classic is super unpopular in the county where I'm at.

>>6276114

Oh yeah, no arguing that. After a while you just accept that some shoes are made of duct take and super glue.

>>6276122
>take

TAPE. What is wrong with me today oh jeez.

>>6276122
Ahahaha that style isn't even limited to punk. There's always those seedy kids back in school or the ones that just don't give a fuck and tape up their shoes every time they give out.

>>6276073
I wear darker colours with sweet prints or styles, and I personally just call it sweet lolita. I'd post a picture, but you know, 4chan, posting my face, etc.

>>6276132

Oh yeah, lol. Poor kids too. After a while Converses tend to split on the sides near the toe and the solution is to wrap tape around it, not to buy new ones. Ingenuity!

>>6276119
There is a grand total of one OTT sweet lolita in my comm, one old-school sweet lolita, and one girl whose style is a bit of a mish-mash between classic and old-school sweet. The rest of us are all classic and occasionally gothic.
Online, as well, I notice that well-dressed classic lolis seem to be getting a lot of the attention that used to be directed towards crazy OTT girls.

>>6276156
Personally, I always found that my heel always wore right down til there was no rubber left and I could feel every rock and grain of dirt under the thin sole that remained. Maybe I drag my feet a bit or something. But everyone else has the common problem of the toes separating on the sides.

>>6276095

In my experience, the quality of Doc's suck nowadays. Four years ago, I got a new pair, and within a year, I had to take them to a cobbler.

They're getting trendy as fuck. Pretty designer patterns, classier ladies styles, and all that shit.

It's not all bad though. My friend is able to incorporate her purple eight-hole boots in Lolita coordinates. It's a nice example of incorporating a non-Lolita style in a way that doesn't scream lazy and desperate (like most of the examples in this thread).

But implying that Docs are the quintessential punk shoe is really outdated. (As is the most of the punk subculture, to be honest.)

>>6276174
I wouldn't say it's the quintessential shoe, and sure, a lot of things are outdated at this point, but it is a recognized symbol of the punk culture for the fact (it used to be) quite a durable shoe. Its an element that we can all relate to being punk, regardless if you choose to wear them or not these days. And yes, there are some pretty amazing lolita outfits that have Docs in them.

honestly this whole thread gets my goat 'cuz it forgets that J-punk is a veeery different thing than Western punk, and Lolita DID start in Japan. I'm not saying that there aren't Western Lolitas who do punk Lolita way wrong, but still. Being cute is REALLY important in Japan, so it may not fit the Western idea of punk.

>>6276174

Ugh, yeah. 2 years ago I went to the DMUSA website to get a new pair of oxbloods, and I saw a bunch of floral and felt bullshit. I was so confused. Some of them look nice, yeah, but most of them are just like... no. I mean come on, galaxy printed Docs?

Now I'm scared to buy new ones because I don't want to pay Doc Martens prices for something that'll wear out within a year.

>>6276174
>(As is the most of the punk subculture, to be honest.)

Contrary to popular belief, punk actually is dead. Sure, punks are still around, but at this point they're just leftovers or imitators and the old idea of punk rock unity is long gone.

>>6276174
Not a punk but dang I was thinking about getting a pair of Docs because I'm a huge fan of paying more for quality and having it last ages. Are they really that bad now?

>>6276234
Their regular ones, from what I understand, are not what they used to. They don't make them in the UK anymore and the materials aren't as sturdy as they used to be.
However, I believe they also have a more expensive "vintage" range that is made in England, and the quality is supposedly pretty great, although I can't confirm that for myself

>>6276244
used to be*

>>6276253
That comparison makes absolutely zero sense.

>>6276210
>There's not enough punks anymore, so it's "dead"
>Those that are still punk are imitators
What. So like, because Lolita is a relatively unknown fashion and there aren't that many of us, we're imitators of rococo fashion because that rococo fashion is "dead" too?

>>6276244
I see. So I'm guessing a lot of the neat ones like the floral patterns and dark metallic purple would be the newer, lesser quality?

>>6276254
Yep, the higher-quality ones are very plain. They come in cute colours, but they don't have any of the funky patterns that the other ones have. They have their own section on the website, "Made in England".

>>6276264
I see! I don't mind the black, but I really liked some of the other patterns/colours better.

Since you seem to know a bit about them, do you mind if I ask whether they really do stretch that much? I tried a pair on and they were fine lengthwise but tight across the bridge. I know everyone says they get broken in but... really?

>>6276295
If they're only a bit tight on you, then you're fine, they will be come more comfortable. They get broken in, sure, and they stretch, but not as much as some people tend to make out. They're not magic shoes. If they are very tight on you across the bridge, you may need to go another size up. I know it's annoying when the length is perfect on you, but your feet will thank you in the long-run.
My Docs are very old, though (from the 90s/early 00s, lol), so somebody who owns a more current pair may want to chime in there.

>>6276253

No, because the phrase "punk is dead" refers to the scene aspect. Compare punk in the Sid Vicious/Sex Pistols days to now. See the difference?

Punk had it's time, it came and it went. Lolita is fairly new outside of Japan and still relatively unknown. Everyone knows what punk is, or is at least familiar with it. But go up to a random person on the street and ask them if they know what lolita is and they'll either have no idea or look at you like a pervert.

>we're imitators of rococo fashion because that rococo fashion is "dead" too

If all lolita was just straight up rococo instead of merely inspired by it, then yes.

>>6276317
Seriously, when Johnny Rotten is selling butter to the masses, punk is well and truly dead.

>>6276320

Do what now?

>>6276167
wow, it sounds like I'm in the wrong place. You're lucky

>>6276320

I googled it. Holy shit.

Then through googling that, I found out he was also on Judge Judy.

Speaking of substyles, what is peoples views on guro-lolita?

I have a convention at the end of October and I'm considering doing a mad scientist themed guro-lolita outfit but I think the style seems to be hard to pull off/not make really ita.

>>6276650
I'd love to see guro-lolita that wasn't just someone in a blood-splattered white dress and dumb Halloween makeup. If you could pull that off well, I would be delighted to see it, and I'm sure other people would, too.

>>6275969

>>6276650
The problem with guro is that it is too much like cosplay/costume these days. Enough with this fake blood on an all-white cheap bodyline dress rubbish. An arm sling and an eyepatch is simple and enough to give the 'broken doll' look. Wear some deep plums, blacks, deep reds and dark navy blues. No prints, just all ruffles, bustles and pintucks.

>>6277410
I had plans to do a guro twin with a friend once. I wanted to do something like this, but she wanted to do cheap white dress and fake blood so I bailed.

>>6276650
You really might be better off just being a mad scientist. No reason to throw lolita in there.

Other than adding a poofy skirt to your lab coat and lots of fake blood, what would you be adding to the table? It's not even that it would be ita, just that it would more than likely be boring or essentially a Leg Avenue mad scientist, but with blood.

>>6273692
It's ok guys Walt rolls her over when he goes to see WTF Jessie is doing and she chokes on her own vomit ending this awful substyle and indirectly causing two planes to crash into each other.

>>6277828
I was planning on burning parts of the dress nicely/the ruffles and bows to go along with the burnt lab coat kinda thing rather than take a fake blood route.

>>6276088
No, it isn't classic. I don't like classic at all really. The closest to classic I wear is in the summer when I do country loli.

>>6276152
Same, I call it sweet lolita or gothic-sweet if ever i am going in depth to describe it in an actual conversation.

>>6276107
yeah the pic was terrible lol