/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10836366
star underskirts. they aren’t breaking any rules and can be cute if they’re styled right but are considered an ita staple.

>>10836366
Most taobao dresses I think

>>10836366
Unpopular opinion, but sneakers in casual/simple coords. Imo, it depends on the sneakers and the coord, but it absolutely can be done.

>>10836376
Agreed, also not everyone wants to wear platforms/heels all the time. When someone says sneakers are auto-ita I just assume they only wear OTT or treat it like a costume.

>>10836383
nayrt
there are lolita shoes that are not platforms or heels. I'm not automatically against sneakers but they have to suit the coord unless it's some kind of foot emergency.

My definition of ita is when I look at a coord and it hurts or I feel second hand embarrassment.
Coords from Marble or Visible are often still considered ita but I see that as its own aesthetic and not ita.

mini hats are considered automatically ita by many people, but I think it depends on the proportions of the hat and how it's worn. If it's too big, too small, or proportionally too tall or if the brim isn't wide enough it will probably look bad.

>>10836383
ayrt, I semi-agree. On the one hand, I can see why it's not everyone's style. One the other, I do give the metaphorical side eye to people who broadly consider casual/simple (or hell, even just non-OTT) styles to be ita.

>>10836369
This. Taobao brands can look great when styled well. They aren't automatically ita.

>>10836366
ballet flats. if it has a bow or lace on it, it can be fine. not much different than tea parties.

>>10836367
Do you have any examples of them coorded well? Not even being sarcastic, I really haven't seen any coords where it doesn't look terrible. I would love to see some good ones.

>>10836418
nayrt, but I think they're going to look bad because I haven't seen one that wasn't low quality. I don't hate the concept of them, I hate the execution.

>>10836383
There are plenty comfortable normie plain shoes like mary janes for casual wear, they just aren't sold by lolita shops and cheap shops.

>>10836367
I have Black Cat and the Mysical Map by Meta and always wondered if the star motif on the bust would pair nicely with a star underskirt.

>>10836449
But I think the sheer ruffle on the skirt might not work with an underskirt of that sort.

Personally I think Lady Sloth is hated more than necessary bc of the fact that lots of plus size lolitas wear it. I do find both the Spooky and Sweet Macaron series to be unattractive, but I think some of their prints are pretty cute.

I see people complain that their cuts are ugly too, but I don't get that. The bodices are plain, for sure, but they seem fairly standard to me. Boring, sure, but ugly? Eh, I don't get it.

And their blouses are just fine, except for the chiffon crop tops. Those don't really appeal to me.

I think very simple make-up and hair shouldn't be considered ita. You should be clean and groomed, that's for sure, but I don't think not having a complicated hairstyle is enough to be considered "greasy".

>>10836478
honestly lolita started with minimal to absolutely no makeup during the proto/early years of the fashion and was part of escaping expectations on how women should dress.

basic hygiene is a must regardless and i think separate to makeup anyway. makeup shouldn't be a requirement for women anyway and its frustrating that lolita fashion, ostensibly about flipping a middle finger to society telling us how to dress, is starting to reinforce makeup culture when it should be a choice.

>>10836479
japanese women wore no makeup back then, retard.

>>10836478
>but I don't think not having a complicated hairstyle is enough to be considered "greasy".
literally no one says this

>>10836488
>japanese women in the 70s+ did not wear makeup

Nonny......

>>10836491
post fucking proof.

>>10836390
Yeah, I agree. It's just a different aesthetic, I personally quite like it and might get a Marble piece in the future.

>>10836479
>early no-makeup japanese lolitas
>basic hygiene
I have bad news for you.

>>10836493
>>10836491
>>10836488
Are we talking about the 90s? Who the fuck has lolita pictures from the 70s. and yes they absolutely wore make up in the 90s

>>10836478
Nobody considers a simple hairstyle and no makeup "greasy".

>>10836369
>>10836411
"Most taobao dresses" are terrible quality. Poor quality has *always* been considered ita. You just sound stupid, clueless, and poor

>>10836390
>>10836400
>>10836478
These are actually good takes.

>>10836452
I find most lady sloth designs below average regardless who wears them. Some dresses are extra ugly. But the ugliest design trophy goes to DollBe.

>>10836488
Street footage from the 70s, 80s and 90s shows that at least some women did wear makeup.

>>10836521
People consider anyone whose skin can reflect a bright flash to be "greasy". As if every celebrity paparazzi photo from the 90s didn't have that exact issue. Even basic skincare like lotion and sunscreen can cause that effect on my incredibly dry skin. There's a reason "glass skin" became popular, because clean and fresh skin looks dewy

Now people expect everyone to run around with a full face of mattified and powdered foundation. We have the shittiest, most unnatural makeup trends thanks to YouTube MUAs who push quantity over quality

>>10836526
I also have dry skin. Some skin care products make my skin look supple and dewy, others have a more matte finish, others are straight up greasy looking (products that contain vaseline/petroleum jelly, lanolin or any other highly occlusive ingredient for example). Like you said some sun screens do it too. But unless you have to wear occlusive products that exact moment you can find hydrating products that don't have a greasy finish. Otherwise just snap a pic before you apply greasy looking stuff to go out. There are also mattifying powders from Japan that were specifically made to tone down the shine of skin care and sun screen. I understand you probably would consider that makeup. I don't remember the name of the stuff, I recommend searching the Asian beauty skin care reddit.

>>10836526
they're talking about anons saying flat hair is greasy. either way tho, lolita isn't what it was before, it's decadent and you need to match your makeup and hair to that decadence or it will look unfinished.

>>10836545
Nayrt, unless you wear styles from earlier eras, because then going by the rules of that era is 100% fine. A plain, clean, nicely brushed hime cut with no or minimal makeup is fine with old school. Preferred even.

>>10836550
Well another issue is that some westerners have finer hair, so that hime cut won't look as full and fluffy on them, so they're going to get criticized by people who hold everybody to model standards

>>10836526
>Now people expect everyone to run around with a full face of mattified and powdered foundation
maybe in like 2015 yeah but sheer, dewy makeup and being a little shiny is on trend now

>>10836550
that's totally different than what anon was saying. zoomer newfags always cite "proto lolita" when they disagree with modern lolita trends.

>>10836524
AYRT: God yes, we can agree there. HATE DollBe!

>>10836553
I didn't cite "proto lolita" though nor did that other anon. Not all modern lolita is decadent either. What's being worn today isn't just a decadent modern lolita aesthetic, it's a variety of styles some of which are older and/or more casual.

>>10836551
>so they're going to get criticized by people who hold everybody to model standards

I agree that's silly. There are plenty of photos of japanese old school lolitas and modern japanese lolitas who wear their hair in flatter hair styles or just have fine hair. Brand staff too. None of us can compete with models unless we're willing to spend the time and money that the hair and makeup team spent on the models.

>>10836390
I kinda understand it but I personally find Marble hideous

>>10836561
learn2read >>10836479
also casual lolita is still decadent compared to normie clothes.

>>10836673
that wasn't the comment I was responding to. Learn to read yourself.

>also casual lolita is still decadent compared to normie clothes

You can get away with no to minimal makeup for modern casual lolita.

>>10836523
You sound mad.

>>10836677
nta but it's sad that you think this looks good

>>10836686
Thanks for confirming you're a troll kek

>>10836367
If you look closely at the stars they look cheap and haphazardly sewn onto the underskirt. It’s the shittiness of those stars that makes me hate it. They’re awful.

>>10836677
Weird waistbow, was it badly made or did she just not fix it before wearing it?

>>10836677
>>10836897
Don’t you have mentees to bully?

>>10836897
sorry your newfag ass doesn't understand what nta means but the dress looks like a poorly constructed tissue paper mess of blurry pastels. Even so, if you wanted to pass off this one singular dress as "good taobao" like every other wannabe OTT covidlita, the argument was about MOST taobao, which yes, is poor quality with ugly clusterfuck designs.

>>10837000
Nta but it just looks like modern sweet. The only thing that sets it apart from a ¥36k AP release is the awkward waistbow and mini apron.

>>10836993
I don't think you can bully someone from behind closed doors anon

>>10837000
You're the one who sounds new. The sweet community was obsessed with this dress when it came out, even lolitas who had never bought taobao before in their life.

>>10836366
>Are there any things that are currently widely considered ita, but aren't actually ita?
you wanna live dangerously, ride the edge, brave, the salt must flow

>>10836677
this is a prime example of how terrible their quality is. it's genuinely pathetic that you can't see it

>>10837008
>>10837099
nta but i could instantly tell it wasn't brand when i previously saw this photo. the poor quality is very noticeable, especially the graphics

>>10837102
>>10837115
It's pretty badly constructed and I'm ashamed I fell for the hype and bought it, so much about it is not well made and there is a huge quality difference between all of my AP and this single taobao dress I own.

>>10837099
Obsessed because it was around $40 USD, not because it was amazing quality.

>>10837099
Why are you overly defensive? Do you own this dress or are you in the photo?

Absolute hot take and Im gonna go on a limb but I dont think youre ita if youre fat.

Youre only ita if your outfit is shit and youre unkempt and greasy and put zero effort into your skin or hair.

>>10837189
For me it depends on the degree of excess fat. I know some people are like "it's ita if you're even 1lb overweight" but I don't agree with that. But there is a certain level of obesity where nothing looks good anymore imo. Like jabba the hut shape and size. Clothes can't make them look good no matter what the size and cut of the clothing is. If it fits them it looks bad because the body underneath is the wrong proportions, if it doesn't fit it's even worse.

>>10837189
I agree. I don't care if you're fat as long as your clothes look good on you and you're not a slob. That goes for any weight. It's ana behavior to obsess over other people's weight.

>>10837099
learn2read

>>10836524
ive never even heard of dollbe until now and those are ugly as fuck. they look cheap as shit

>>10837204
did you see the prices?

>>10837189
the anorexialitas gonna come for your ass on this one. i noticed a fatty-chan gets posted to the ita thread a lot even though her clothes almost always fit and looks pretty fine on her. fat can look fine if you know how to style and flatter, regardless of body.

>>10837207
I doubt she got posted just for being fat. I only occasionally see someone who doesn't have a bad/ill fitting outfit being posted for being fat and anons always call it out for being a vendetta, it's not a pattern. I think you can't recognize a bad outfit or ill fitting clothes.

>>10837158
>initial anon calling people newfags, covidlitas, wannabes etc
>you call out the other rather-polite anon as aggressive instead
oh /cgl/, you never disappoint (nta, if you can't tell)

>>10837194
the bar for "jabba the hut size" keep rising and rising. 20 years ago, your typical lolita fat would've been considered a monstrously large fatass

>>10837198
it's "ana behavior" to be anorexic. pretending that calling an ugly fattie an ugly fattie is "obsessing" is clearly a cope. i have no doubt you're probably fat yourself

>>10837189
i agree with this completely unless you’re tomoyo levels of landwhale

>>10837205
yeah i'd much rather put that money on brand. i can't imagine dropping 600 for dollbe

>>10836479
>>10836488
>>10836490
>>10836521
>>10836523
>>10836526
>>10836545
>>10836550
>>10836551
>>10836561
So we all agree that these people (that I randomly picked from closet of frills regardless of attractiveness or style) look literally fine?

>>10837280
These are all cute and perfectly acceptable save for the tumblr dye job on the middle left girl. Bottom right could work on the frizz and maybe consider bangs but it's not egregious enough to be considered ita on it's own.

>>10837280
...yes...?
I was going to say what the other poster said, middle left and bottom right are the only iffy ones. Also damn where's the curls.

>>10837280
yeah

>>10837248
good point, I was there. The largest size we would see was a US size 14 and those were rare and people considered it monstrously big for a lolita. Now there are people who are a US size 20 and bigger.

>>10837250
this pretty much

>>10837280
those look fine to me except for the left one on the middle row and the right one on the bottom row. I'm just not a fan of the type of side swept bang that shows that much of the forehead. The hair on the middle row on the left also looks a little greasy/sweaty. But this photo could have been taken at the end of a long day at a convention so I can understand that if those are the circumstances.

>>10837325
middle left wears her coords to school so i'm sure that's why it looks a little unkempt. i like bottom right's hair to be honest - she has a high cranial top and enough hair volume for the side part to work on her.

middle right's hair i'm not too fond of, but maybe it's just the hat that's throwing me off. i still think she'd benefit from bangs regardless.

>>10837328
that explains a lot.
As for the bottom right, I don't mind the side part but I think she would look better with more of her hair covering her forehead. I think the biggest problem for me is that she obviously has textured hair (which there is nothing wrong with) but she ruins it by not treating it right. It looks like she's dry brushing it which results in the frizzy mess that lacks definition. Waves, curls and coils can look so pretty if they're given the right method of care.

>>10837328
How does that excuse a horrific Tumblr dye job? if anything, that makes it even more embarrassing. Stop trying to WK

>>10837334
where did i wk? anon was wondering the circumstances and i happened to know them. yes, the hot topic dye job is bad and she needs bangs. that was said before and i agree - i'm not required to dogpile. seethe harder.

>>10837332
agree, some curl products and proper combing would help her immensely. her hair would suit her coords so well with a little upkeep.

>>10837336
you did nothing wrong anon.

Lots of white pieces in sweet coords. I love it, I think it looks more elegant and 'clean' for lack of a better word. I don't know if most people consider it full on ita, but I often see people advice against it of the basis of it looking noobish.

>>10837957
the few times I've heard that a white blouse is ita I've wanted to slap them in the face because of how ridiculous that take is. I also don't understand the idea that a white blouse would be a beginner choice with say, for example, a pink jsk. Those people say you should get a blouse in the same color as the jsk, or in a color that comes up in the print (like sax). But most of the time I think a white blouse will look better than a pink blouse with a pink jsk.

>>10837280
Top and bottom middle are cute. Are you seething because you are an actual man or something? I think bottom right may be a brolita and they're pretty cute and well dressed regardless of gender

>>10837978
ayrt, hard agree. You can buy a main piece and blouse in what appears to be the same colour, but what if the colours are radically different in real life? It's better to be safe and buy white blouses at first. Once you have a few pieces in your preferred colour, a blouse in that colour is bound to match at least some of them.

>>10836677
I own this dress, the quality is absolute shit.

>>10836366
Lack of jewelry or accessories (not including headwear).
No, this coord is not ita because she's not wearing wrist cuffs. It's just casual. Even if it's an OTT coord that's still nitpick territory.
Lack of a wig. If the hair is well-groomed and clean (and isn't dyed a clashy color), natural hair in coords is fine.

>>10836383
Platforms and heels are not the only lolita options. Invest in some tea parties or something.
I'm not against casual coords but there's a point where "casual" is just an ita excuse for laziness. You can't look sloppy and excuse it with "it's casual." Sneakers don't work, period. If you are going somewhere where wearing sneakers is literally the only practical footwear choice, then maybe you shouldn't be wearing lolita there in the first place. There's some places and activities where it's just impractical to wear lolita.

>>10837280
Yes, and this is a matter of taste, but the light makeup and simple hair on these girls looks better than the majority of people trying to do heavy makeup and wearing hideous wigs that clash with their skin tones. They look like humans wearing nice clothing rather than cosplayers.

>>10838610
>They look like humans wearing nice clothing rather than cosplayers.

this is why I prefer no wigs or very natural wigs (which are mostly outside of the price range most lolitas are willing to spend. Human hair wigs), and no drag or clown makeup. I could barely tolerate the circle lens and eye enlarging makeup era.

>>10838684
Agreed. I actually think fake or colored wigs make a lot of women look like troons.

>>10837957
>>10837978
Old but this stupid take started because of Tyler, who is ita herself. White is and always will be a classic, perfect color combination with sweet dresses in the right hue. Anyone who shares her shit opinion is automatically an ita newbie.

>>10841066
Black and white are the base of any wardrobe which explains why she had to rely solely on sets. Cant coord to save her life. She’s fucking retarded.

also stop swallowing your voice, Tyler. Boisterous bullfrog sounding headass.

>>10838684
yeah, I'm so glad the circle lenses era is over

>>10836413
100%. they make our western ass feet look soooo big and long.

>>10841066
No, this take predates Tyler by a lot. I saw this sentiment on lj a lot with the explanation that a lot of lucky packs came with white blouses so it ended up being baby's first lolita blouse that got used for everything.

>>10841250
speak for yourself bigfoot

>>10841330
The majority of jp brand blouses are still made in black or shades of white. I don't care what reasoning they base their stupid opinion on there's nothing inherently "beginner" about a white blouse.

>>10841330
people confuse "beginner" with "standard", they're staples for a reason, nothing baby about that

Idc if that makes me ita, I barely ever wear the fashion anyway, but not wearing a blouse. I think blouses ALWAYS ruin the fit I’ve never seen it look good ever and desu only landwhales need it so that they can hide their rolls. No blouse on skinny is so so cute. Plus its hot as balls sometimes and sweating makes blouses insufferable to wear

>>10841508
This is a bad take overall but I agree with the sentiment that blouseless looks can work. It has to be a sundress type JSK but sure, it can be cute. It's harder to make it look like lolita though.

>>10841545
Oh yeah for sure I only purchase sundress type jsks anyways. Paired with a nice pastel ribonned sun hat, cuffs, socks with a nice fitting pattern, etc. Idk if thats also ita but at this point its called a cute sun look that looks better than other possible coords for the dress. I know the fashion wasn’t created to “look good” but it kills me going outside looking like something significantly worse than it could’ve been because rules were followed instead.

>>10841547
I agree on not blindly following the rules.

I think most of those woven cotton camisole + skirt sets look better without a blouse. Also a cutsew camisole + skirt will look better to me without a blouse all of the time.
With dresses it really depends on the dress. Some look like weird in a bad way without blouses. Some are cuter without blouses. But I also have no desire to label every outfit with lolita pieces in it a lolita outfit.

>>10841508
no blouses EVER is a bad take (if you don't like the blouse + JSK look I'm not even sure why you like lolita honestly - yes I know there's OPs but it's such a staple of the look it's weird to dislike it) but agree, some JSKs can look cute blouseless, and some of the summery dresses are made to be worn with or without a blouse

>>10841508
Not liking blouses ever probably just means you don't like lolita. I agree that blouseless coords can work if the jsk is appropriate and it's coorded correctly. However, if you don't like a staple pieces of the fashion that's also one of the core parts of the fashion's silhouette and aesthetic, then why pretend you like lolita fashion at all?

>>10841556
What are you on about? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your phrasing, but who is wearing a blouse under their cutsews or camisoles??

>>10841625
>who is wearing a blouse under their cutsews or camisoles

I've seen far more people wear blouses under short sleeved cutsews than I've seen people wear blouses under cutsew camisoles. The few people I've seen do the latter never looked right to me.

>>10841625
I mean I still like many many pieces of lolita clothing that cannot be found without searching for the name “lolita” so idk where you’d want me to find the clothes I like, so that’s why “I like lolita”, I just dont like blouses lmao :’) like I said I have no problem not calling my coord lolita but other than the blouse rule I follow (as much as I can with my non-extensive knowledge) the other rules so it’s fair to say I do like lolita

>>10841738
>I barely ever wear the fashion anyway
> I still like many many pieces of lolita clothing that cannot be found without searching for the name “lolita”
if you "search for lolita" on google then you get images of shitty taobao. just say you're some clueless taobao LARPer and go

>>10841744
I dont search for lolita in google lmfaoooo I mostly buy off lacemarket and off small indie ig handmade brands I’d rather die than buy shitty fake ita shit on taobao/aliexpress. Projecting your beginnings much?

>>10841747
anon you literally admitted you barely wear the fashion kek. no one needs to "project" anything.

>>10841750
What does barely wearing it have to do with appreciating it..? With appreciating the creative work that goes into different garments and coords? I dont understand your beef with me I think you’re digging where there’s nothing to dig.

>>10841738
ayrt. Okay? So you agree, you don't like lolita? You simply like pieces by lolita brands (or whatever ita stuff you find by searching "lolita"), but not the fashion itself. You admit you barely know anything about the fashion and don't wear it, so why discuss it on cgl? It's fine not to like lolita and just to wear lolita pieces every now and then, but don't state your irrelevant opinion on here.

>>10841760
You’re so pressed holy shit youre probably ugly and fat irl. Idk why you keep thinking I google “lolita” it was a figure of speech how can you take this literally? Drink some alc or take benzos oldfag idk who pissed in your coffee. I dont have to prove myself to your delusions. Everybody discussed my opinion with me fairly in a welcoming way, you’re the odd one out.

>>10841764
nayrt. you sound the most pressed here

>>10841764
>thinks blouses ruin coords
>calling coords "fits"
>barely wears lolita
>"youre probably ugly and fat irl"

>>10841764
do you realize two different people made two different responses to that one statement? how fucking dumb are you kek

>still using the term Lolita in 2023

Stop. You are no better than the pedo baiters, and you look like oversized babies or clowns. Especially in blouses, bonnets, and wigs.

>>10842316
It's...the name of the fashion, anon. That's what it's called. It's the correct name.

Being ugly.
Even with the best makeup, wig, haircare, etc, if you’re ugly you’re automatically nitpicked to death.
Same goes for a ton of things people can’t control, like particularly pale people looking horrid because even if they shave you can see the hair follicles underneath the skin. Or people with very apparent veins, scars or deformities. I’ve seen someone with a yellow undertone skin picked to death because people thought she had shitty makeup. I also think people shouldn’t be required to wear wigs, it’s not a costume. It’ll look better 9/10 times sure, but I think the heavy insistence on everyone looking like perfectly manicured models kind of goes against the spirit of Lolita in the first place.

This of course isn’t to excuse people who put zero effort in to their coord or hygiene etc, or try to get asspats because they’re ‘soooo brave’, it’s just some people have unfortunate luck in genetics.

>>10844546
i've seen that if you're really ugly or look like a man you get nitpicked
but
>pale people looking horrid because even if they shave you can see the hair follicles underneath the skin

this is just a problem when you're xy

>>10844607
I think she meant legs/arms?

>>10844651
for legs you can use flesh colored thighs or opaque thighs, for arms, if it really bothers them get a wax, shaving will always live the follicle so it's OBVIOUS that you can see it

>>10844681
Or just epilate, I'll never understand why people choose to shave, it's by far the worst hair removal method.

>>10844682
Epilation hurts a lot. I don’t know if it’s just me because I have thick body hair but damn is it painful. I do epilate my legs but on any other body part I can’t really bare the pain

>>10844681
it's "tights" ESLchan

>>10844651
>>10844688
I wax for that exact reason. Plus saving so often feels like I'm fileting my skin.
Epilating hurts because it's every individual hair one by one.
It all hurts but waxing has been the most worth it. It hurts after shaving but if you keep at it consistently it doesnt hurt at all. You can try laser, it didn't work when I tried but maybe it does now, I wouldn't recommend electrolysis, that can leave weird dimples

Another vote for Marble. It may not be for everyone but it has a slightly unkempt, almost punky vibe that I think is pretty cool; it makes me think of the imperfection and street style aspect of old school. Not to mention, the fabric and construction quality is actually pretty high.

>>10846766
People see Marble and think it's the same as pic related. Like yo, get some perspective.

>>10846766
No.

>>10846823
yes

>>10846823
yes

>>10846964
>>10846837
zoomers are a plague.

>>10846965
I feel you, and I cridged when I saw that, but I also reassesed why I know that to be ita, and it goes back to seeing the term scratchy lace, but fashion is pain so

>>10846967
the cut and length are also ita. marble can be ita even though it's a jp brand. and it was considered more goth than lolita back in the day anyway.

Not to one's taste doesn't make something ita. I get why some folk find Marble awkward looking or tacky, but I dispair that it's put in the same category as awfully constructed, poor quality monstrosities produced by say, Milanoo.

So no, Marble isn't automatically ita but it could be, much like any brand pieces depending on how they're styled. Marble might be easier to fuck up, but c'mon it's not like pic related doesn't have a sense of style, no matter how much you may personally dislike the brand.

>>10846998
Only retarded newfags think marble is ita, because they can't tell quality if it slapped them in the face. They just see raschel lace and think it's bad

>>10846999
I can't tell if you're shitposting or serious anymore lmao. Lolita Fashion 2023

>>10846999
>>10846998
it looks bad. get over it.

>>10846999
Nayrt, but I don't even think bad quality raschel lace is necessarily ita. Crochet, cotton and chemical lace - sure, but Meta's cross wing lace is scratchy vintage tablecloth tier, for example, and it still looks cute. I've definitely seen it work in those tongue in cheek tacky old school ita coords.

>>10846976
youre just mad your leggies arent cute enough for marble uwu

>>10846998
Picrel looks well put together

>>10847028
You lack taste. Get over it

>>10846998
>>10846999
i’ve owned one marble set and one marble set only because despite the quality not being milanoo-tier, it’s still pretty shit. the raschel is fine but the real issue is the shitty poly and weird, unflattering design choices. not being costume-tier doesn’t mean marble is on par with other jp brands.

>>10844712
imho Nair would work better than these other options.
It's cheaper and more practical than waxing because you can take care of it right at home. Using nair on my peach fuzz has been a life saver when I don't have the time and don't want to pay the money to get it waxed.

>>10847092
You can wax and sugar at home for a fraction of the price you'd pay a professional, I've been doing it myself for years and basically have no body hair left

>>10847137
how do you recommend to do it? ive tried homemade sugar, premade wax strips and the kind of wax that u microwave in the jar but none worked out great for me.

>>10847192
I personally just buy a large tub of premade sugar paste, baby powder, some reusable strips and wooden applicators, and this kit lasts me a very long time. Be sure to follow an instructional video at first and try different methods (for sugaring, you can go manual or use strips with a softer paste), then just go with whatever feels easier. I ended up finding that using strips with sugar is cheaper and more convenient than investing in a wax melter and having to constantly buy wax that can't be reused.

>>10847298
Sugar wax kept warm in a wax melter and and strips A++

>>10847352
I make the sugar with sugar, water, and vinegar or lemon

>>10847353
And just the cheapest warmer worked for me

Apparently Marble's stuff is really popular in Japan right now
I have a Marble blouse and a OP, they both have princess sleeves and the seams for these sleeves are sensory hell desu, and despite them being sewn tidily and looking overall well made up close, they don't feel STURDY - I don't think they're meant to
But I do really love how they look since I'm a massive fan of voluminous sleeves

>>10847355
that's because jfashions right now are all about being a tacky basic bitch kek.

>>10847390
Perfect for me then

You just have to be really selective with Marble. I despise their lacy raschel signature OP's and blouses but I have a few plainer cotton blouses and OP's that have other design elements like ribbon bias or ruffled switching fabrics and they're good sturdy gothic pieces. I would say that they're really more of a gothic brand than a lolita one, though many pieces can be used for lolita coords.

>>10847355
This doesn't surprise me, they seem to be doing well.