/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

You're unhinged, I can see why people wouldn't want to be around you

>>10816587
fpbp. fuck off retard autist doodoo head

>>10816585
The thing I find a lot about autistic people, is that they like to proclaim themselves the victim. "People are bad because they're ableist and discriminatory!!" Instead, try having a long hard look at your actions and behaviours that could have resulted in people's attitude towards you.

For one, if you keep acting this way, talking about suing people, feeling as though everyone is out to get you because you're autistic, you're just going to make yourself out to be unlikeable. That's the truth of it.

Secondly, maybe if you stopped letting your autism define you and be the topic of every interaction you have with those around you, you'll have an easier time getting along with people. It's not a you vs them if you keep making the distinction between you and everyone else.

From what you've written here, you just seem so entirely self absorbed in playing the victim than actually wanting to change yourself. Please get help OP, this is not healthy.

Does that mean you can grope someone and get away with it if you have assburgers?

>>10816619
It's interesting you say that because one of my legal arguments was that there were less extreme options that could have been tried first before kicking me out.

The complaints that got me kicked out were anonymous, they could have been misunderstandings for all I know. If they'd told me in specific terms what I was supposed to have done. Given me warnings or feedback before jumping straight to a ban. Then maybe it wouldn't have happened again. Maybe there was an amicable way to resolve issues by people around me being a bit clearer about where their comfort zones were.

But they chose to wait till there were several months worth of complaints I knew nothing about and then ban me as their first response.

It takes two people to come to an understanding. You can't expect people to change unless you explain how and why they need to. The student union didn't want a discourse or any kind of reform from me. They just wanted me gone.

>>10816622
No it means if you tell a lewd joke and it crosses the line because you weren't aware how comfortable the other person was with that kind of thing they need to give you extra consideration if you're autistic. At least that's what I'd argue.

>>10816624
If you tell a lewd joke to a girl and aren't incredibly good looking you deserv3 prison mate.

>>10816619
>>10816623

At the end of the day organisations do not want to engage in a process with autistic people where they provide feedback to autistic people or educate their other members about autism so they can be a bit clearer about their boundaries with autistic people.

It is this lack of willingness to engage that sadly probably makes the odd lawsuit necessary.

>>10816623
>It takes two people to come to an understanding.
Not if the understanding is "get this fucker out of the club," then it does not necessitate you

>>10816629

And when things boil down to 'this guy is a weirdo and we want him out, just because he's weird, no if's no butts,' that you've crossed from protecting the clubs interests to clear cut discrimination. Which is as it happens illegal.

>>10816630
Sexual harassment, as it turns out, is illegal. You probably think you can rape children and then just say, "I'm autistic" to the magistrate and he'll let you go.

>>10816631
A) in the UK sexual harassment is contextual. Its not enough for a person to feel they've been harassed. They have to have been objectively harassed when you consider the full context of the circumstances. Including for example whether there could have been a misunderstanding due to autism.
B) sexual harassment does not exist as a tort between customers of a business (customers can't sexual harass other customers there)
C) sexual harassment (ie by your boss) is a tort not a crime. There is a separate crime of harassment which is actually directed towards things like stalking etc but there has been no suggestion that would apply here.
D) I'm not even going to touch the question of autism in the context of criminal cases thats way out of scope.

>>10816631
>>10816633

A good example would be Evans v Xactly Corporation Limited. Evans had been sacked and sued his boss for calling him a “fat ginger pikey.” The same law that covers sexual harassment also covers racist or disability based harassment. Evens was diabetic and of gypsy ethnicity you see.

The thing is trading casual insults was really common in the office. And Evens had not only joined in he'd positively encouraged it. The judge ruled in that context it was not rational for Evens to feel harassed under those circumstances.

I'd say if you go to a club where people tell a lot of lewd jokes, and you join in, you can't then call it harassment just when the autistic guy tells a lewd joke.

>>10816634
I agree that if you enter an anime club, observe the club culture there and engage in that club culture in the same way as other people are doing then it's 100% discrimination if they kick you out for engaging in the exact same behavior as the other members. Unless of course the other members are also kicked out.

"When in Rome, do as the romans do" has served me well for many years as a person with autism. But it can backfire sometimes. It happened to me once and I'm still salty about it.

I joined a community, observed the comm culture and engaged in the same way as others did in order to fit in.
Comm leadership later made an announcement that they were adjusting the rules/guidelines because the current comm culture wasn't what they wanted for their comm. These were changes that dictated what topics could or could not be talked about and where.
People had sent complaints to comm leadership saying that some topics and some people talking about those topics made them uncomfortable. I was on the list of a handful of people others made complaints about. We were not aware we were doing anything wrong. We hadn't broken any rules.
Comm leadership specifically said that no-one had done anything wrong, no rules were broken but that the comm culture they wanted was comfortable for everyone.
It was still a slap on the wrist though and it affected the comm. It wasn't as lively as it was before and still hasn't recovered.
Now I don't blame comm leadership for making changes but I wish I had joined later so I could have avoided this situation. I'm still salty about it and still a bit worried how that whole situation affected how people see me now.

If the club wants to kick you out or already kicked you out, why would you want to (force them to) rejoin them if they don't want you there?
Just in general, why do you want to be in a club that doesn't want you there?

>>10816681
A) I don’t think the club as a whole wanted me out. Up until I was kicked out I thought I was getting along with people fine. The complaints were a genuine surprise. I think it’s the organisers and student union that wanted me out.
B) there is a turn over. After a year or two a lot of people (especially the organisers) would have moved on. I could have ridden it out if they didn’t perma ban me.
C) it’s the only club in town. Actually the only anime club for several cities. This is the only place in the area I can regularly meet other people into anime.
D) I can’t start another anime club. I’ve tried. I’ve got a meet up page running regular events no one comes. The last non student anime club in town closed nearly 10 years ago because of lack of interest. All the non students go to the student anime club instead.

Pretty much all anime clubs in the UK are student run. And the university’s are getting a bit … over sensitive. It making life a lot harder for autistic students too I think. Hard to do anything as a student these days with out some one trying to cancel you for setting off a social landmine. which for autistic students is a regular occurrence.

You photoshopped club member's faces onto bikini models and Nazis and showed them and you don't understand why they kicked you out? You really are autismo to the max.

>>10816679
See it sounds to me they handled it a lot better than my anime society. my anime society didn’t have a formal code of conduct except for a short set of guidelines for running social events. Most of that was anti hazing stuff. That and a short section declaring they had a zero tolerance policy on sexual harassment that defined sexual harassment… well more or less it defined sexual harassment as any time some one says they’ve been sexually harassed. No mention of context or any objective standard. And no guidelines for behaviour more generally. In effect they defined the rules so vaguely they could make them up as they went along to suit them.

It’s one thing to have a go at autistic people for breaking the rules. But if the rules are very vague or enforced inconsistently (I don’t feel my behaviour was so different from those around me) then it’s basically a perfect trap for autistic people.

Which was another leg of my argument. You can’t blame autistic people for not following rules that could almost be designed to confuse. Especially if the enforcement of those rules is inconsistent so they can’t even go on the basis of what other people get punished for.

>>10816702
Oh they didn’t kick me out for that. That was like 2 years before they kicked me out or something like that. Tbh a lot of people found that pretty funny. In some cases even the people in the pictures. What did the society president say when I photoshopped him … I think it was something like “gota look out for those happy smiling nazis’ (he had a big cheesy grin on his face) ah we loved memeing on each other in those days.

>>10816705
ayrt
What really happened? Do you not have any idea which specific situation resulted in them kicking you out? Not even a hunch?

I agree that guidelines or rules on conduct shouldn't be too vague. But I don't expect that those are intentionally vague with the goal to exclude people with autism.
If rules are inconsistently enforced it definitely can be a sign someone wants you out though, but it should be a clear cut situation where someone is kicked out for doing something and someone else gets no consequences at all for doing the exact same thing.

I thought about the possibility of being kicked out of the comm I am in, and accepted that if leadership wanted me out that was just the way it is. It's their comm, they decide how they run it and they decide who is in it, if they don't want me there that's that.
If I am out of that comm that doesn't stop me from engaging in my hobby and it doesn't stop me from socializing with people with the same hobby, it just stops me from being in that specific comm.

If the people who kicked you out never provided an explanation and haven't talked to you then I think the only thing you can do is contact them to ask for clarity and to be able to say your say and see what can be done to clear up the situation if that's possible. If they don't want to hear what you have to say I think it's pretty useless to get the law involved since the leadership doesn't want you in their group.

>>10816705
>if the rules are very vague or enforced inconsistently (I don’t feel my behaviour was so different from those around me) then it’s basically a perfect trap for autistic people
That's the stupidest argument ever, if you break the rules it doesn't matter if you get caught or punished or not, you broke the rules.
Obviously it sucks if someone didn't get punished for breaking the rules when you did, but at the end of the day, you DID break the rules.

>>10816713
nayrt but that's a good point. I think OP is getting stuck on the "inconsistently enforced" part and not realizing that he did break the rules and that's reason enough for getting kicked out.

>>10816706
It's not as simple as you not getting kicked out for that, it shows your behavior of what you think is "okay" to do is so wrong that it's no surprise multiple people said they were uncomfortable with you and kicked you out. Sounding less like an autism problem and more a male entitlement problem. Who threatened to sue for getting kicked out of a fucking anime club, sheesh.

>>10816747
found the femoid

>>10816716
Saying there was a rule and a rule was broken does not make it not discrimination though. Take sweet Anita (who has tourettes) saying the N word on twitch. If they’d have banned her that would have been what the law calls discrimination arising from disability. If you ban some one for a rule they break because of their disability that’s discrimination unless you can justify the necessity of your ban. And we’ll never know if they could because they kept all the details of the complaints about me secret.

That’s kind of the point. Almost any alternative you could think of for a ban would have involved some sort of feedback / conflict resolution process which would have involved disclosing the complaints which they weren’t prepared to do.

>>10816707
From what I gather they’d had several people come forward making complaints about me but demanding anonymity. So when I made the comment about anxiety with eye contact on the discord (that they misinterpreted) they decided to use that as a pretext to ban me with out declaring the anonymous complaints. And when it turned out I had a good explanation for that and it was all a misunderstanding… well they were too committed to back down at that point. They’d already banned me before they met me to hear my side.

>>10816713
The point is if autism causes you to break a rule then discrimination law will apply. The fact that the rule was vague or inconsistently enforced makes it more likely autism would cause someone to break it.

Under uk law if an autistic person breaks a rule they wouldn’t have broken if they weren’t autistic then the law sees that as the autism causing them to break the rule (in the same way tourettes might cause someone to break a swearing rule).

In those circumstances if you ban them for breaking the rule it’s discrimination unless you can justify the ban as necessary. And the burden of proving necessity is on the person doing the banning.

That’s what most people, even autistic people, don’t know. If they did more autistic people might stand up for their rights.

Why hang around people who clearly don't want you there? OP, you make a lot of decisions that make life difficult for yourself.

>>10816792
I refer you to my previous answer.

>>10816700
TLDR I don't think most of them did want me out.

Someone kicks you out of their social circle and you threaten to fucking sue because they don't want to deal be friends with you anymore?

Also why the fuck are you even hanging around college clubs when you aren't in college anymore? You have a fucking doctorate degree, meaning you are either in your 30's or close to it and you are hanging out with kids fresh out of high school? Grow the fuck up and get a life. You are utterly fucking deranged. Your schizo-rant "account" is full of incriminating shit and I can see why no one wants to be around you

>>10816797
Not threaten. I did sue. You forget I had recordings, legally obtained recordings, of them basically admitting that autism was probably a factor in what ever mysterious secret complaint motivated their banning me. My case was far from weak.

Thats something else I strongly advise any autistic people who find themselves in a situation like this to do. If you find yourself in any official meetings about a complaint about you ask to record the meeting.

As for age so what? You can be a student at any age. People in their 40s, 50s and 60s go to university to do courses later in life. They're as entitled to be included in student life as any one else. And this student society had lots of non student members many of whom were older.

To treat older members of a club differently would probably be unlawful age discrimination in most cases.

>>10816797
I want to point out I have nothing to gain personally by using my experience as an example for others.

I'm here to let other autistic people in the anime community know, at least in the uk, that they can use the law as a shield to stop them being marginalised out of the community.

You say my account is full of self incriminating 'shit. ' Well guess what I wasn't doing any 'shit' everybody else wasn't. As far as I'm concerned my 'crime' such as it was was not being likeable enough for some over sensitive person not to want an excuse to get rid of me.

That's arbitrary and unfair and as it happens when its tied up with some ones autism also unlawful. I want other autistic people to know they don't need to take it lying down.

>>10816801
>>10816803

I really feel bad for these people and I really hope they have as little to do with you as possible in the future. Leave those fucking kids alone. People like you seriously need to be put in a mental home instead of being allowed to inflict this kind of terror upon society. Go fuck yourself you piece of shit

>>10816806
Well I want to point out I sued the student union not the students directly (I could have sued both). But you know what if I'm inflicting 'terror' I'll take it. Discrimination is a truly awful thing for autistic people and if the 'terror' of being dragged into court is what it takes to make it stop so be it. I only hope other autistic people will join me in dishing out some lawful 'terror.'

i'm fine with employment being protected against discrimination but if you're suing a voluntary club for not wanting you then you're a pussy bitch.

>>10816856
Well in the UK voluntary clubs are covered by discrimination laws too. But I didn't sue a little club. I sued a big student union with over 30000 student members and sizeable cash flow. A student union with an anime society with over 100 members.

It's not like I was serving legal papers on students. I was serving them on full time employees of the student union who ought to know discrimination law and had plenty of chances to reverse the ban their student volunteers put in place.

>>10816858
Man, you're like that kid at a playground that went and goes tells his mom when other kid's dont want to play ball with him. The fact that everyone in this thread is against you should be a sign. You are a colossal spastic and should honestly fuck off from these people from your own good and tread carefully lest they counter-sue you for sexual harassment or vexatious litigation.

>>10816890
Well frankly I'd welcome that. You know how it feels to be accused of secret wrong doing and then declared guilty behind closed doors with out being given the chance to defend yourself? In a real court I would have the right to face my accusers and defend my self.

But of course that couldn't happen because there was nothing vexatious about my lawsuit and as Ive previously pointed out one customer can't sue another for (section 26) sexual harassment.

The fact that every one in this thread is indeed a sign. Its a sign that autistic people do not get the sympathy and understanding they should and truly do need laws to force people to give them a fair deal.

The adverse reaction of so many non autistic people to this thread only confirms my conviction that legal action is needed to make anime clubs in the UK safe and inclusive spaces for autistic people.

OP is obviously an obnoxious retard who is in the wrong but I sympathize with him for one (1) reason:

Private organizations that have kneejerk, warning-free bans of organizations. You should not be able to ban or fire someone. Sorry assholes, grow up and become comfortable with confrontation. There should be some kind of course-correction available before a surprise termination

>>10816894
clubs are not a job, retard. and shouldn't autists grow up and become comfortable with confrontation by being fired or banned on that note?

>>10816900
There should be social rules (in the form of "laws") about how clubs operate. You don't get to be a tyrannical childish faggot that randomly throws people out before discussing the problem with them

>>10816713
Do you come from a culture with very strict rules? In the UK rules are not consistently enforced at all. I remember in school I would be picked on by peers for not breaking rules that everyone else broke but as an autistic person I was never able to tell when I’d crossed the line as I was unable to see the line, so I’d always follow the rules.

>>10816904
As I said in my account. I got banned once before because of anonymous accusations, appealed it (not on the basis of autism but on the basis of not being able to defend against an anonymous accusation). Won my appeal. got let back in. Never got told who accused me.

I was trying so hard to not get banned again. But the only thing I could figure out was to basically sit in the corner and not talk to anyone.

It's very much as you say. Its really imposable to join in with out risking 'breaking' a rule. not when the rules are vague. Autistic people need a bigger grey zone, a bigger margin for error when it comes to breaking vague rules. But in practice they get less because we stand out like sore thumbs and so everyone is ready to think the worst of us.

>>10816903
no there shouldn't.

>>10816907
Autists should be mass executed.

Did you know you have right? Constitution says you do!

>>10816892
I'm an autist and get bad vibes from you. You sound like one of those autists who believe the world should adjust to them instead of them learning how to adjust to the NT world.
You're the odd one out, you should learn to function in society without making people uncomfortable all the time.

>>10816585
>I was kicked out basically for being an autistic weirdo who made other people uncomfortable.
What did you do? Use your attention to detail powers to be specific.

>>10816920
basically this. i hate those us vs them types of people who think "neurotypicals" have zero faults and can just navigate the world perfectly. as if anxiety and depression and other such things don't happen to everyone.

I'm an autist who runs a nerd/anime-adjacent club at my college and you sound unhinged. Suing a fucking anime club because they kicked you out? Fuck's wrong with you man lol. I also guarantee that you're not the only autistic person in that group and the others just figured out how to actually be appropriate.

>>10816894
>Private organizations that have kneejerk, warning-free bans of organizations. You should not be able to ban or fire someone. Sorry assholes, grow up and become comfortable with confrontation.

People are hesitant to formally warn precisely because of how this sleezeball is behaving. They're afraid they'll be branded as ableist, even if the behavior has been making members uncomfortable. I see this happen in discords all the time. The resident autist misbehaves, people gently try to correct the behavior multiple times, but the autist keeps doing it. Eventually mods are desperate enough that any rule breaking will be a welcome excuse to ban.

>>10816920
>>10816928
Not autistic but have a PD that in theory could prevent me from functioning in society, and I agree. It's on you to figure out how to adapt to the world and overcome your issues, forcing people to be around you when they clearly don't want to is absolutely unhinged. You need help with more than just your autism, OP, because the best case scenario here is you completely lack self-awareness. Worst case scenario - you have something else going on that needs to be addressed by a professional.

>you threaten to fucking sue
>Not threaten. I did sue

bro little shit like correcting that is the exact kind of shit that makes people not want you around. the correction even made you sound worse

>>10816920
There is literally a law that says businesses must adapt things for disabled people. This includes modifying rules and disabilities include autism. It's called making reasonable adjustments. If you don't like that take it up with the British government. But it is a legal right autistic people have like it or not.

If you have a social space run as a service, with rules (no matter how unclear) enforced by an organiser the law says autistic people can expect some adjustments to be made for them.

That is what the law says like it or not.

>>10816927
As I've said the complaints against me were mostly secret. If you want detail beyond that you will find it in the link at the top

>>10816934
Oh poor student union with their mega bucks lawyer and their small army of administrators. I'm sure they felt totally overwhelmed by one guy with out a lawyer taking them to small claims court ... </sarcasm>

How many people are there is your club? 10? 20? 30? this club had over 100 and I had no sense the people I was hanging out with didn't want me there. If a committee of less than 10 people decided to ban me I don't accept that's representative of the club wanting me gone.

The student union could have decided to overrule them and let me stay and all that would have happened is a small bunch of people would have given me dirty looks at our meetings.

>>10816934
But let me ask you this question. Suppose the collage administrator came to you and said 'we've had an anonymous complaint about you, we're not going to tell you what it is, you're kicked out of the club.' Would you not be tempted to say 'Hey I'm autistic I don't always come across the way I intend. could this be a miss understand?'

And if they responded, 'yes we accept your autism probably is a factor in the complaint but we're kicking you out anyway.' Would you not be tempted to sue? Not at all?

>>10816989
You're acting like getting banned from a fucking anime club of all things, which should be full of autists as is, is a human rights violation. Get a grip.

>>10816997
It literally was an equal rights violation under uk law. That's why I brought the case.

You want to minimise it, laugh at me. Fine. Was club was basically my whole social life. Seems I'm basically incapable of getting a social life outside of hanging around with other anime nerds. Make fun of me all you want but remember we're on CGL I'm hardly the only one here who's social life is chained to anime and anima related activities.

Please kys op you’re such a sniveling faggot

>>10817000
i think you're the only one who has sued over an anime club here though

>>10817000
If that was your only social life, and you weren’t close enough to anyone from the club to the point that you could hang out outside of the club, I think you’re the problem.
I’m on the spectrum too. And I struggled with making friends for a long time before eventually meeting people who were cool with me despite my awkwardness and missteps socially. But I eventually had to realize that not everyone wants to deal with it, and I need to accept that.
Should the club have told you there were complaints and what they were and given you a chance to change? Probably. But if there were multiple complaints, you were clearly making people uncomfortable. That’s beyond social awkwardness, because most people won’t say something until it’s gotten pretty bad.
The laws are meant to protect you from getting discriminated against in stuff like jobs and classes. Not social groups. Even if they force the club to let you back in so you think anyone will want to hang out with you? You’re still going to be a pariah because of it. You need to learn how to behave around other people. In an anime club with 100+ it should have been easy enough to make some friends, and be able to still hang out with those people outside of the club even if you were banned. The fact that you didn’t speaks volumes. You should have spent the money you spent on a lawyer on a therapist who can help you learn appropriate behavior.

I hope the next time someone harasses you that you just kill yourself instead. You seem insufferable.

>>10817037
good post. Was gonna respond but this anon pretty much summed it up

>>10816996
Here's what you seem incapable of grasping, Babycakes. Your autism is a reason, not an excuse. You made people uncomfortable and it doesn't matter why. You can't hide behind your autism the same way a stalker might say 'sure I stalked her, but I only act out this way because I wasn't held enough as a kid. I can't help it.'

>There is literally a law that says businesses must adapt things for disabled people.

Yes, this law is for things like providing ramp access for wheelchair - bound individuals. It's not a law that gives autists a blanket go-ahead to be socially annoying, especially when you break rules. You realize you're going to be laughed out of court, right? There isn't a singler person in this thread who agrees with you, which should be pretty telling.

The OP is proof that “neurodiversity” as a social justice movement is cancer.

>>10817113
Thank you for putting it so well. It's a reason and not an excuse.

Even the autists here don't agree with OP.

>>10817123
same

op you are god tier, this is one of the greatest trolls in the history of cgl

>>10817113
>a reason, not an excuse
exactly. people using this shit as an excuse are stupid.

>>10817139
Sadly, I think this one is real

>>10816989
>The student union could have decided to overrule them and let me stay and all that would have happened is a small bunch of people would have given me dirty looks at our meetings.
You must’ve been so extremely fucking annoying they wanted you gone at all costs kek.

I hope this is a troll, otherwise someone actually being this deranged is really sad

>>10816623
>they chose to wait till there were several months worth of complaints
LOL, so you admit that they had a strong case against your repeated behavior over MONTHS?
God I wish eugenics was a thing

>>10816585
>https://controlc.com/9b24663a
dude this reads like a sexual deviants manifesto and you have zero remorse for your repeat offenses
get a grip and get some help instead of hiding under autismo labels and trying to force people to be around you
>starting your bullshit off with "I would have killed myself if not for this club"
This is wholly unrelated and merely a grab for pity from a mentally unstable miscreant
You need to leave these poor people alone and stop being a Discordtranny IRL

>>10817037
By your own admission you’ve gotten lucky enough to find people who accept you as you are. That’s exactly the kind of place the anime society used to be before a small element of over sensitive individuals infiltrated it.

Just like you can’t throw a person with tourettes out of a club for make people uncomfortable by swearing you can’t throw an autistic person out of a club for making people uncomfortable by being weird.

It is both legally and ethically correct that the general public be expected to endure some level of discomfort to accommodate neurodiverse inclusion. You seem to be under the misapprehension that autism is a choice. That autistic people can choose to not appear autistic to those around them. You are wrong. By your own admission it’s not something you’ve managed. So why make excuses for those who chose to exclude you with out understanding you.

>>10817113
For the purposes of section 15 of the equality act the distinction between a reason and an excuse is irrelevant. Don’t believe me? Look up Burdett v Aviva or Hensman v Ministry of Defence. In one a schizophrenic man sexually assaulted two co workers while off his meds. In the other a guy with Asperger’s set up a hidden camera in a shower. In both cases the court found that their disability triggered section 15. It wasn’t enough for their employers to say ‘they broke the law’ to justify sacking them. They had to provide an argument about how sacking them was really the only way they could deal with the risk of employee.

Section 15 is triggered by causation. It doesn’t matter whether you call it a reason or an excuse. And it certainly applies to conditions like autism not just physical disability.

You know what if 4chan had a ‘law’ channel I’d post this there and get a more nuanced response. Except that’s not my target audience. You are not my target audience. My target audience is autistic people like my self who have experienced being banned or otherwise excluded or pushed out for being different / socially awkward enough to trigger some over sensitive soul.

I’m not trying to win your approval or the approval of people like you. I’m hoping to inspire people like me to stop apologising and stand up for themselves.

>>10817229
autism isn't a "get away without consequences" card. There are cases where autistic people deserve some extra understanding but if they do stuff like install hidden cameras in showers they need to be hit with the full force of the law and not get away with it.

Anime societies have for years been melting pots for weirdos, deviant’s and the socially inappropriate. It is our space. The space for miss fits and freaks. Which just so happens to include a lot of autistic people. We deserve our space where we can be weird with out worrying about random bans that come without warning. And if we want that space we need to be willing to defend it. With legal action if necessary.

>>10817233
The guy in question didn’t ‘get away’ with it. But the court wasn’t ok with them sacking him with out giving a better reason than ‘he broke the law’ which his employer seemed to think was enough. You see when section 15 applies the status quo flips. The default position becomes ‘do nothing’ and you need to justify what ever you do about the situation as absolutely necessary.

>>10817234
Sure, anime clubs/societies always have been a gathering place for weirdos and socially awkward people. That's the default.
If someone is so weird and behaves in such a socially undesirable way that they make even this bunch of socially awkward people and weirdos uncomfortable then they should not be welcome anymore.

>>10817236
Except anime is mainstream now. You have your traditional anime fans, The man faye's, the yaoi fan girls, the guys with copies of Urotsukidôji, the people with cosplay eva plug suits and miniatures on their shelves on one side. On the other you have the narutards who think kill la kills is some kind of hentai and haven't seen anything that hasn't been on crunchyroll / cartoon network.

Thats the curse of going mainstream. You have to deal with over sensitive normies.

>>10816585
Ugh. After reading your letter I can tell exactly what the problem is (most likely)

1. Into Anime
2. Into BDSM
3. 'Lewd' sense of humor
4. No other social outlets
5. Autism with no filter

Dude was probably kicked out for 'joking' about raping women at his University anime club. Hell even if you were in a BDSM community (which I can tell he wasn't because he said he has no other social outlets) that's not something you joke about. So glad I live in the US where this behavior gets you put on a sex offender registry and you can't cop out of it by claiming autism.

>>10817238
The thing is that "oversensitive" can be true but it can also be an excuse used by someone to play down what they did.

Someone who goes crying to the mods that club mates are talking about their own wheelchairs and that it makes them uncomfortable is oversensitive. That is the curse of excessively woke young people today who think everyone should cater to their sensitivities.

Girls and women who complain that they repeatedly get upskirt pictures taken against their will by a guy who has been told not to and then still keeps doing it are not oversensitive.
They deserve to have their boundaries respected even if the guy is autistic and doesn't understand why it's wrong.

When I was in high school I printed out hentai doujin and took it to school with me.
I would never take such a thing with me to an anime/manga club as an adult if I wasn't damn sure that everyone was on board with that.

Autistic people who grossly break the rules aren't more autistic than autistic people who don't. The former group just feels entitled to more leeway given to them.
Everyone with adequate IQ, regardless of how autistic they are, can learn a basic set of rules and respect that no means no. They can learn the basic social contract and be quite safe keeping to it even if the club they enter has no rules on conduct.

I know quite a lot of people with autism. They're all genuinely good and sweet people with a sound moral compass, and they do their best to get on well with people. They've got a lot of empathy for others. They've learned the social contract and to some extent to read the room. They might do something awkward sometimes but never something malicious or something that crosses a major boundary, never an offense worth banning them over.

OP does not sound like these people. OP sounds like an entitled shitbag.

>>10817234
Dude you need some social skills therapy.

>>10817242
mystery solved. Thank you.

>>10817238
100+ people in the club and they’re all normies, even when you agree that anime clubs have historically been filled with freaks, autists, and social rejects? got it.

autist here too, to clarify. it’s unfortunate that you were ousted without a warning, but considering you had already been banned for sexual harrassment once, and there were many repeat offenses after your appeal and return, that’s the natural consequence. you were given chance after chance to grow and learn and you blew it.

you mention that you feel you should be treated more leniency when it comes to lewd jokes, as you don’t have the social awareness to know how certain people will take those jokes due to your autism. as someone who has been cast out of social circles for making similar jokes and being overtly sexual, i eventually learned that it’s better to not make sexual jokes towards women period. if you’re going to make those kind of lewd jokes, don’t involve any of the women you personally know in them. this is in direct reference to the vibrator joke that lead to your ban. if you want to be lewd, be lewd around your male buddies - and if there are females present, make sure the joke does not involve them. you clearly don’t know where the line is, so prevent yourself from crossing it by avoiding that subject matter. women generally really dislike being the butt of sexual jokes - even if they are sexual people themselves.

>>10817250
nayrt, and fellow autist here.
And I agree, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Some topics are just a no-go around certain groups of people and the sooner we learn that the better. And we have to respect that even if we think we should be able to talk about those topics. The thing is that we cannot decide which boundaries other people get to have.
We just have to suck it up if we think those boundaries are unreasonable.

Autist here too.

You can't help the neurology and neurotype you have. But you are 100% responsible for your actions.
Furthermore, in the realm of anime clubs, cons and related events, neurotypicals are a fucking rare sight to see and they do not last long. Almost everyone is autistic if not at least ADHD and exccentric. I haven't been going to cons for 20+ years to hang out with normies. No, I go to hang out with other obsessed weebs and have a good time.

It's one thing to have a few social faux pas here and there. Hell, I'm an excellent masker. I was even able to hold down a job as a general manager in retail for several years until burnout killed me. I've been a long-time mod for my local lolita comm. I do public speaking fairly often. Even I fuck up and crash and burn in the social department. I get people holding me accountable for my verbal fuckups.

You have to know where, when, with who and why to make certian comments. You have to learn when to smile and nod or just LISTEN. Most of all, you have to learn how to pause and evaluate what you're saying.

I hate it, absolutely fucking hate it when creeps and harassers blame their actions on their neurotype, and want to say it's discrimination. No, if it gets to the point where you're BANNED and you're considering lawsuits or some shit, you crossed a line, probably multiple times. It's your responsibility to seek help, counseling, and practice being less of a creep.

>>10816585
I hope you realize that you're the autistic version of Jonathan Yaniv

I can't believe the number of retards ITT who actually believe OP's story

Can't wait for accurate in utero autism detection, along with mandatory abortion.

I hate moid autists so much.

>>10817188
i didn't say it wasn't real -- the best trolls mean it

I don't even care if he's real or not at this point. These kinds of lolcow threads that only show up once or twice a year are why it's still worth coming here

>>10817228
We’ll, it wasn’t just luck, part of it was learning to act enough like a normal person that I was able to make friends who could handle some quirks. There’s a difference between being more into nerdy interests than others and fucking talking about sticking a restaurant pager up someone’s vagina because you think it’s funny.
Also fuck you, I said I’m on the spectrum too so I know it’s not a fucking choice. What is a choice is your fucking refusal to accept that if you want people to accept you, you need to learn to behave properly. You’re the type of entitled fuck who thinks women should be forced to put up with your shitty sexual harassment because you can’t be bothered to learn how to act like a normal fucking human. If you can’t figure it out, you need a fucking handler around the rest of society. Where did I say I haven’t managed it? I manage just fine with some social awkwardness once in a while, but I sure as hell don’t make anyone feel sexually harassed. There’s a big fucking difference.

>>10817270
foid autists can stay tho

>>10817361
fuck no. they're almost worse.

>>10817269
Who cares, this is the most entertaining thread this place has had in ages.

>>10816585
NGL the ONLY time I ever see retarded/mentally handicapped(legally, medically) people and gigantic hambeasts on mobility scooters are in anime conventions in the UK.

It's seriously disturbing how so many of them flock here, blocking the way.
Some mother literally left her mentally handicapped 20(?) yo son next to me in MCM london while I was relaxing in the seats and he just spoke gibberish to me/

>>10817368
I've met a lot of autistic people. Some of them are those types who expect everyone to cater to them and adjust to them instead of themselves putting in some effort to try and behave in a socially desirable way. With one exception those have always been men in my personal experience.
Some of the best people I know are women with autism.
But once we get the tech to do autism screening in the womb like we do with downs syndrome, I suggest we weed them out. Because I wouldn't wish autism on anyone.

>>10817429
as useful as this tech is there's really no need for it, if women had kids earlier than 30 and 25 this would be a much smaller problem
just basic female fertility and female biology ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10817466
Lmao what

>>10817466
men are much more likely to pass on the genes responsible for autism, and the likelihood of this increases significantly if the father is older than 40.

I understand you're just trying to have a dig at women, probably because I said most entitled autists are men and that triggered you so you're trying to get even.

>>10817475
samefag here, i'm actually NOT a man! shocking i know
but since you want to hurl accusations i'm going to guess you're an old hag who is barren and alone
i was never digging at women i was just stating the facts that a womans biological clock has more of an effect on the baby

>>10817495
it's not relevant since men are much more likely to pass on the genes responsible for autism.
No I wouldn't recommend women to have children over 35, yes there are risks involved in women having children over 35 but they're not that relevant towards the autism discussion.

There's nothing wrong with women having children in their late 20s or early 30s.

I didn't say you were a man. Misogynistic women exist but it was most likely you are man. I'm even more convinced that you're a man now.

The choice of the words "old hag" "barren and alone" and misunderstanding about the effect of a woman's biological clock just made you sound even more like a man. Well done.

>>10817466
you might not be aware of the study as it was more recent so I just wanna let you know
>The risk of autism in a child is elevated for mothers under 25 and diminished in mothers over 35. The latter finding contradicts many previous studies that reported that the risk of having a child with autism increases with the mother’s age. The findings appeared 14 March in Pediatric Research.

>>10816585
kill yourself autustic faggot

>>10816780
>>10816904
Inconsistent enforcement doesn't fucking matter when YOU STILL BROKE THE RULES
Rules are rules
You are not going to sit here and tell me if people in that club were raping children you would suddenly think "well if they're doing it when the rules say not to, maybe it's okay if I do it too".
Doesn't fucking matter, you broke the rules and are mad that only you got punished for it.
Considering you're autistic, you should be at the very least aware you mad for the wrong reason.

The problem as I see it is most people here, including some of the autistic people, seem to think disabled people being included in society is a privilege they need to earn by attempting to adapt to a neurotypical world not a right.

You seem to think autism is like a speech impediment. Just go get some training and you’ll be able not to do it most of the time. In reality it’s more like tourettes. Sure with efforts you may be able to appear more ‘normal’ for a while but not for long, not reliably and certainly not without a cost.

There is a growing body of psychological study that suggests long term masking, the constant effort of appearing normal, is psychologically damaging for autistic people. It’s also a great deal easier for some autistic people than others. This is so well recognised it’s now in the ICD-11 autism definition.

>Some individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorder are capable of functioning adequately by making an exceptional effort to compensate for their symptoms during childhood, adolescence or adulthood. Such sustained effort, which may be more typical of affected females, can have a deleterious impact on mental health and well-being.

Why should we damage our mental health to be included? Assuming all of us are even able to. Our inclusion can not be prerequisite on acting ‘normal.’ Thankfully on this point the case law seems to be siding with autistic people.

>>10817641
Ok, but even if the world is forced to accept you without making an effort. If the club is forced to let you back in. It still won’t make people want to hang out with you. They may let you in the room but it doesn’t mean anyone will engage with you. No one will invite you to things that aren’t official club activities. You’ll still be a pariah.
You can use the law to force yourself on people, sure, but if you refuse to make an effort, you’ll still have no friends. You can behave appropriately without masking; it’s not impossible for a person to go without making lewd jokes and photoshopping people’s faces on Nazis. If you are so against learning what is and isn’t appropriate behavior, you don’t deserve to have social interaction. No one owes you their time or attention.

>>10817641
your problem is that you don't consider that non autistic people aren't all just robots that perform perfectly in society and most people take a huge mental toll from day to day stressors. your ideas of autism are skewed but you don't realize that claiming that you're more disabled means you will have less autonomy. if autists are deemed unable to control their actions they essentially won't be allowed to be independent. non autistic people don't fit in to society perfectly, that's why society constantly changes.

>>10817641
>There is a growing body of psychological study that suggests long term masking, the constant effort of appearing normal, is psychologically damaging for autistic people.

You are missing the forest for the trees. It's psychologically damaging to forcibly inflict your presence on people who don't like you.

Why don't you start some autist community group or something?

>>10816911
That's a bit far anon, I'm an autist and people generally seem to like me and I think op is a faggot

>>10816914
Sorry, small print says no rights for literal poop eaters :(

>>10817641
First you mention that long term masking is a great deal easier for some people than it is for others, then second you quote a section of text that mentions exceptional effort made by some people in order to mask long term.

You realize that these are two different things right? "Easy" and "effort" are very different things.
Someone who experiences that it is easy for them to mask long term won't have to put in exceptional sustained effort in order to mask long term.

We all know that some people with autism have autism symptoms that aren't as severe as other people with autism. These people with less severe symptoms used to be diagnosed as pdd-nos. That doesn't mean that they necessarily function better in society though.
One of the factors contributing to how well they can function is effort.
Someone with more severe autism symptoms might function a lot better in society because they simply put in a lot more effort. It isn't easier for them. They just work harder. And I agree that constantly having to put in exceptional effort to mask long term is draining and has a negative impact on mental well being.
That's still no reason to not put in any effort. The solution is to find a balance. Make sure there are times when you don't have to mask. You need your "me-time".
There might also be people you don't have to mask around, or mask a lot less around.

Also all of the autists chiming in here are also speaking from their own frame of reference and their own lived experience. I'm sure they don't think autism is like a speech impediment. The right to be included in society doesn't mean that other people have to put up with socially undesirable behavior that understandably makes them uncomfortable.
Autists who force others to be around them and to cater to them instead of putting in effort to fit in are entitled fucks and it grinds my gears.

Why should society have to include autists unconditionally? Please give me an answer that isn't "its the law"

>>10817649
>If you are so against learning what is and isn’t appropriate behavior, you don’t deserve to have social interaction.

Sadly there are people like OP who consider it oppressive that they have to adjust to social norms. They think their autism means they don't have to try, and that asking them to is ableist/discimination.

>>10817675
great idea, people like OP should be in a commune in the woods or something.

>>10817737
>consider it oppressive that they have to adjust to social norms
This is arguably what bothers me the most in his incoherent ramblings, the retard is so self-absorbed and is such a victim that he doesn't realize absolutely everyone has to adhere to social norms. Yes, it might be easier for neurotypical people, but everyone has to put in some kind of effort to function in society.

>>10817758
exactly this. everyone has an issue with it and infact autists have an easier time than people with downs or schizophrenia or physical disabilities. the issue with autists is they can't differentiate logic and emotions and because of that, think all their thoughts are logical when really, they're just emotional ramblings.

>>10817777
>they can't differentiate logic and emotions and because of that, think all their thoughts are logical when really, they're just emotional ramblings.

wow now, slow down :).
This is not an inherent autistic trait and it isn't a diagnostic criteria.
I've definitely seen that with SOME people with autism. Like the autistic edgelords (both men and women) who claim that they're so superior because their brain is so logical and they only make decisions based on logic and reason whilst all the NTs are making decisions based on emotions willy nilly,,,, when in reality these people are definitely more emotion driven than they think they are.

Plenty of autists don't have this delusion and can differentiate logic and emotions.

I also wouldn't say autists necessarily have it easier (define easier) than people with downs, schizophrenia or physical disabilities. It all depends on how a condition affects their life and ability to function in the world.

>>10816585

You are your own worst enemy. The more you push the more people want to avoid you. You are digging your own grave with only the self gratification of ‘law and righteousness’ which even the ones you seek to ‘help’ get offended by or never actually appreciate in the way you assume they do. You assume the worst in everyone and assume you’re in the right. You are not a landmark in legal cases. You are not a social justice torchbearer. You left a club, sued a club, over a hobby that the majority of people, neurodivergent included, can live without. The majority of the people in the world will never know about this. It will not help the people who get discriminated against. The only people who know about this besides the people you want to keep as a social circle and the staff of some courtroom are people on a basket weaving forum. You are where you started.

>>10817862
you're proving my point.

>>10817938
how so? By saying I've seen this in some people with autism?
My point still stands that it's not a diagnostic criteria or a trait that all people with autism have. Most of those edgelords grow out of that phase too.

>>10817938
The few don't represent the whole, autistic people struggle when there are grey areas on topics, so maybe you should get yourself checked out for a diagnoses anon

>>10817940
NTA but it actually is if you knew the criteria.

>>10817957
I don't remember it being a diagnostic criteria so I went looking for what the most current DSM has to say and couldn't find it among the diagnostic criteria.
So unless you want to drop a link with the relevant information I'm going to assume other sources also won't include it in the diagnostic criteria for autism.

>>10817961
diag criteria and symptoms are two different things, moron.

>>10817966
My comment was directed at the person who claimed that it was part of the criteria.

If it is a symptom of autism then it's not a symptom that all people with autism have.

>>10817967
this is why i hate autists. you think that only OP is insufferable but you're so wrong.

>>10817973
OP isn't the only insufferable autist out there.

But I'm also recognizing that you're trying to bait me.

>>10816585
You're an idiot.

Even if, and strong if, you were able to leverage the draconian laws of your retarded country to "apply for a court order to force them to take you back" why the fuck would you expect anyone to be happy to see you return? What could you possibly gain from being the self-made pariah that obviously would make you?

Kill yourself instead OP

>>10817997
not trying to bait you, you're just being extremely annoying.

>>10817649
Except as I’ve frequently pointed out doing things like telling lewd jokes and photoshopping teasing memes was normal and frequent in this group. If they had taken the time to explain to me what line I was crossing that everybody else wasn’t then maybe I’d have been able to stop crossing it. But they chose not to handle the complaint that way they chose to ban me instead.

Why? I can think of two reasons. 1: they couldn’t be bothered. Or 2: if they had explained it would have boiled down to ‘there is a different bunch of rules for you than everyone else.’ Which frankly would also be discrimination.

As for the whole, ‘they would shun you,’ thing I refer you to my previous answer.
>>10816700

Incidentally the photoshopping thing was like the year or second year I joined. The guy who’s face I put on a bikini model took it up with me face to face and we settled it amicably. If the person / persons who’s complaints got me kicked out had taken it up with me face to face I dare say we could have resolved what ever issue they had with me.

>>10817675
>You are missing the forest for the trees. It's psychologically damaging to forcibly inflict your presence on people who don't like you.

Rubbish. Loads of people work and socialise with non autistic people they despise. In life you don’t get to pick your co workers. Your friends friends, your in laws. Life is full of rubbing shoulders with people you don’t want to be around.

>Why don't you start some autist community group or something?

I’m in one. There is no one high functioning in the group. Autistic people with normal / above average IQs don’t really join autism groups … they join anime society’s or other nerdy clubs.

>>10817736
>Why should society have to include autists unconditionally? Please give me an answer that isn't "its the law"

Because it’s our society too. We didn’t ask to be born into a world where our way of being is considered alien. I’m not saying compromises don’t need to be made. I’m saying they need to be made in both directions. I’m saying is we are going to put on a mask and put on this pretence of normality, in our jobs etc, there need to be pockets of society where normal is our normal, the autistic normal. And I’m saying anime society’s are one such pocket.

>>10817737
Believe me if I gather all high functioning autistic nerds in a commune I’d probably jump at the chance. Sure we’d probably have to come back in a few decades in a giant robot as your new overlords to stop you from killing yours selves but it’d be a win as far as I’m concerned.

>>10818083
NT people aren't included unconditionally. They have to adhere to social norms too.
And there are compromises, and it does go both ways/in both directions. People are more understanding when someone with autism commits a faux pas. But everyone has a limit to what they'll tolerate. At one point they're just done and every little thing can be the drop that makes the bucket flow over. At that point it's no longer salvageable so there's no point in having a discussion and telling you what you did wrong.

>>10818084
what's keeping you from doing just that? Is it because other autists don't like you either? Just because we all have a diagnosis in common doesn't mean we can stand the worst of us.

>>10818010
and why is that? For being literal?

>>10816585
dude you were making thing unpleasant for the people there.
Stop trying to force your cringe down to people throat.
either create your own club for equally cringy people.
Or just keep it to yourself.
people don't owe you friendship and companionship.

>>10818098
or learn to act normal.

>>10818089
no, because you're trying to make a case for autists when the rest of us just want to tell op to fuck off and die regardless of him being autistic or not. if you want to show people autists aren't annoying, stop trying to force us to listen and instead show us that you personally aren't.

>>10818118
Of course I don't agree with what OP did and I'm not defending him. I've also chimed in and asked for more info and then told him not to force himself upon a group that doesn't want him there.
After that all I did was comment on an anon who claimed that "all autists do x" when x is not mentioned in latest diagnostic criteria from the DSM, I couldn't even find it in the list of symptoms. My personal experience also showed it wasn't true. I'm allowed to correct someone when they're just plain wrong and tarring all austists with the same wrong brush.
Obviously not all autists are carbon copies of each other, they do have their own personalities and traits.

That anon had the right to say something and be wrong, I in turn have the right to correct that anon and ask for proof.
"Don't force us to listen to you" is one sided bs. If you don't want to hear something then just scroll on and don't engage.

>>10818130
i'm saying to be the change you want to see. no one actually cares if you personally don't do those things, blanket statements are meant to upset those who are doing something wrong. by constantly saying you're different, you end up seeming the same.

>>10818212

If by blanket statement you mean "faulty generalization. A type of fallacy from making an inductive conclusion with insufficient evidence" then yes I agree that was a blanket statement. Anon mentioned something that is true for a minority of autistic people and claimed all autistic people do that.
I'm not upset because I personally have that trait. This isn't some gotcha moment.
I disagreed because it doesn't reflect people with autism in general and paints them in a much more negative light than what they already have to deal with. Misconceptions about autism affect all people with autism. So even if the blanket statement was used with the intention to upset people who are guilty of that trait it does have the side effect of spreading misinformation about autism.
Anon could have said "the problem with autists is that they are physically aggressive" and it would have been the same thing. That might sound crazy to you but I'm using it as an example because it's a misconception some people have based on their very limited experience with people with autism.

>>10818213
God I hate autists.

>>10818213
actually nothing anyone says on an anonymous imageboard affects anyone else. you're a freak and don't understand nuance so you will never ever understand what anyone is saying.

>>10818219
>>10818220
I'm 100% going to take this to heart.