/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

lol everyone on cgl is fat this thread is going to die fast

>>10813522
Sorry to derail. Can you tell me the name of the dress?

>>10813547
I’ll tell you if you prove you’re 95lbs or less

>>10813547
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-rococo-doll-op

>>10813552
I’m 187 cm luv. My bones alone weigh that much.

>>10813559
Thanks kind nonna.

Just browse old thinspo boards like a normal person. Don't make us do the work for you.

>>10813522
So like...normal lolitas?

Who are your favorite skinny lolitas on IG?

>>10813634
Every time I look at anachans on insta I get so anxious. Two in particular I worry are going to get organ damage if they doesn't gain a bit of weight. Not that I support fatties but anorexia shouldn't be exalted.

>>10813659
>if they don't*

>>10813659
well yeah its much more dangerous to be severely underweight than overweight, as in your life expectancy is significantly lower. and i say this as an anachan i know being deathly skinny is worse than being even a little fat i just cannot bring myself to care

>>10813522

>>10813678
>angles
KEK who is this

>>10813678
>warping and smoothing every inch of her body
Never change Josine.

>>10813678
Really tragic how she's always riding the newest trends and how she's skinwalking people like Ferro or Ophelia in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. I wish someone would tell her that her attempts at edgy oldschool and sexy goth don't suit her at all. And that if she likes dressing like this that she should just own it and accept the way it looks on her. Those are the least forgiving styles for someone who is aging and a little dorky looking and who can't accept their own little imperfections. It's like the recipe for disater.

>>10813678
Lol those wings look awful in the picture that isn't photoshopped to heck. So costumey. And her torso is way too stout for that style of OP, how unfortunate. She isn't fat at all but the short, wide dress gives the illusion of being fat

>>10813552
>95lbs or less
You're insane, only 12 year old girls weigh that much. Your disease must be eating at your brain desu

>>10813678
You can’t convince me that isn’t a trans woman on the right.

>>10813696
my boyfriend weighs that much...he fits into male jp stuff. kek.

>>10813701
He's either a total manlet or a spooky skellington then. Kek

>>10813696
This is short lolita erasure and it's disgusting.

>>10813694
>She isn't fat at all
HAHAAA LOLLLL

>>10813703
his dick is bigger than your arm.

>>10813711
So he has a pencil dick, got it.

>>10813713
uh no. we're not talking about your boyfriend.

>>10813704
kek, seconded; 5’2” and 95 lbs. doesn’t it feel good to fit perfectly into brand, nonny?

Do some women actually never age out of their high school mean girl mentality? How tragic

>>10813730
its the anorexia it makes us cranky as we lose brain cells daily

>>10813701
This is easily the funniest post itt

>>10813730
Most men and women don't leave high school mentally.

>>10813722
Im this exact weight and height! I hate the over representation of land whales. What brand do you prefer for your height btw? I’m not a fan of longer skirts that look grumpier, atelier Pierrot mini skirts are about the perfect length because of my height

>>10813678
THATS A MAN

>>10813659
I said skinny, not anorexic

>>10813722
How are you not swimming in your dresses? I smell a lie

Why do y'all hate fat people so much?

>>10813861
for gothic i’m very partial to older moitie (pre-2014). most of their standard length main pieces hit about an inch or two above my knee and show off my otks well.

>>10813943
i’m not an anachan for starters, just naturally skinnier and i talke care of myself well. the only issue i’ve have with dresses being too big is with some unshirred jsks. carnival 2006 for example i do swim in and i’ve been thinking about altering the bust.

>>10813758
What a tragedy

>>10813949
Shut up, fat.
Maybe if you stopped crying about how standard Japanese sizes don’t fit and stop making a bunch of shit ita western brands that make XXXL eyesores for hambeasts to think they’re UwU kawaii!! in.
If you’re overweight it ruins the feminine figure, you will never achieve a proper Lolita silhouette. You will never look elegant hauling around 200 extra lbs of lard and you will never be anything but a burden on the community.

>>10813949
self-hatred, fear, and mental illness being raised by handful of almond moms.

The self hate is LOUD in this thread

>>10813976
Youre not contributing much either honestly. Promoting a pile of remotes isnt better. Lolita doesnt look right on straight bones either. It looks baggy

>>10813994
Go back to tumblr, fag

>another coomer pedobait thread

>>10813997
How fat are you that you confuse thin women for children kek

>>10813999
Have you looked in a fucking mirror? Or are you too embarrassed by your uglyness

>>10813996
Kill yourself

>>10813995
I said skinny. Not anorexic but you don’t understand anything that’s not in extremes that’s why you go all out and order 3 Big Macs at McDonald’s because you don’t know what a balanced diet is.

>>10814003
Do you think everyone is the same height? Size small or extra small on someone tall is dangerous too. Youre too young to be on the internet

>>10813889
sorry for OT, but where's this dress from?

>>10814004
Cry about it, shaq.

I'm fat

>>10814017
Kys

>>10814001
>>10814002
Fattie cope

>>10814001
is this what you tell yourself to pretend to cope

>>10813997
thin women aren't children and it's so annoying that in a fashion specifically catered AGAINST the male gaze some of you weirdos still think like this. this is why people hate midsized and plussized lolitas lmao. learn to love all body types including thin women. they are just as much "real women."

>>10814018
I'm going to, don't worry. I gained weight thanks to my depression in the first place. Wishing you all the best in life!

>>10814031
mid-dump don't kys plz just take ur meds reply

>>10814037
fat legs

>>10814039
We're not talking about you, anon

>>10814003
When gulls say 'skinny' they're talking 'ana-skinny', everyone else is a worthless fatty regardless of circumstances.

>>10814039
It's actually called the varus deformity where the legs bow out below the knee. It's quite common among Asians and can make even thin legs look stout and stodgy.

How to know you have the deformity or not? Put your feet together side by side and if your knees have a significant gap between them like she does here, then you have it.

Just gouge your eyes out then if it's that hard for you to look at someone who isnt an absolute rail.

This entire thread is bait, take your meds and get a life

>>10814091
huh. learned something new about myself today.

>>10814091
it's only common among japanese/koreans, not all asians. japanese and koreans are as much related to the chinese as mexicans are to the chinese.

>>10813522
>nothing larger than a size S
as if that means anything with how different a japanese size s is from an american one. just go by bmi or something because going by weight like this idiot >>10813552 doesn't account for those of us who are tall (which is another reason I need to size up sometimes). at 5'7 i will never be under 100lbs unless i'm scary thin. i'm 110 and that's already considered underweight for my height

either a pedo, an anachan, or a really insecure stimulant abuser who needs to down others. only other option is this is bait

nice big titties on a slightly thicc girl will look better in this than you ever will. cope.

>>10814185
Big boobs look horrible on Lolita lol ywnbaw

>>10814185
If you get downed by someone simply existing in their natural body maybe you need to get off the internet. Go make a fatty thread if it’ll make you feel better.

>>10814185
If you think big boobs look good in lolita, than you're clearly a LARPer. most dresses are not made for a large chest and look like shit on them

>>10814179
Body composition plays a part too, anyway try corpulence index instead of bmi.

>>10814127
Same…what if your shins are also not straight? Asking for me

>>10814178
is it really common for koreans? ive only ever seen japanese women with it

>>10814178
>>10814274
I don't know where the Japan Korea only thing came from but it's definitely common among the Chinese and Vietnamese too. Hence why in my original statement I just broadly said Asians.

>>10814223
That's unfortunately true.
If you're skinny with big boobs you will look worse in lolita than a pear-shaped fatty with small boobs who can hide most of their fat under a petti. Bodices simply aren't made for anyone larger than an A cup.

>>10814223
That was a big motivator in me getting a breast reduction (in addition to pain). Now I fit perfectly into most brand provided it's not too short

>>10814258
Being muscular can make your bmi higher but being shredded with a bodybuilder physique won't look good with lolita either. The ideal body type is skinny and svelte

>>10814299
shredded = fat, kys if you don't look like eugenia cooney

>>10814301
> t. bitter fattie LARPing

>>10814299
this, also 99% of people who complain about BMI barely work out. it's just a cope. those who actually lift don't give a shit because they have more going on than sitting around getting fat

>>10814298
I gained a bit of weight, lost most of it, but my bust is still the same size as when I had more weight. It’s torture.

>>10814354
that sucks non. i'm nayrt but i also had a reduction and the recovery is really not that bad if it's something you'd be interested in. idk where you live but i'm a burgerfag and insurance covered most of it. it's not that hard to build a case for why you need it

>>10813522
this thread is creepy. scrotes with a fetish for dominating thin women is definitely a thing and you're just creating fap material for them right out in the open. at least post it on a female only forum or mpa.

>>10814376
scrotes have a fetish for everything, you say this as if every coomer that comes on here doesn’t fetishize Lolita. Should we shut down every Lolita thread in general then? Just admit you’re not tolerant of all body types. Realize that this thread was made because of the amount of women who want to censor and put down smaller girls because of their own insecurities and jealousy.
Women will be gap material to men regardless of what we do unfortunately, your argument is very poorly thought out and you should either stick by your feminist front and let a certain body type have their voice or admit you hate women that aren’t just like you and move on.
(Also you everyone ITT that demonizes and victim blames skinny women by calling them nothing but pedobait, you’re a bunch of racist, gross misogynistic pieces of shit)

>>10814379
nonna calm down i didn't call you pedobait and i don't intend to "censor" you for being skinny kek (i'm thin too not that you'll believe me.) i just think it's gross to make a thread like this knowing it'll sit right next to 'skinny cosplay legs' and whatever other male coomer nonsense. and 70% of your replies will not be from mentally healthy thin women, it'll be anachans curating their thinspo collections and obese male scrotes with their hands in their pants. so just not getting why you would put yourself in this situation.

>>10814385
It’ll also sit next to “big cosplay butts” “big cosplay boobs” which means they just post a bunch of thick girls in lewd poses, also none of the cosplay threads say “skinny” at all. Again your arguments are very poorly thought out and I guess we need to close down every Lolita thread because someone might have a goth fetish! So no gothic Lolita thread, and some guys have black girl fetishes so no more black Lolita threads!!!!

>>10814410
yknow nonna maybe my argument wasn't airtight, and perhaps i am too sensitive because i am not naturally skinny myself, i'm skinny from years of ED. if you are genuinely naturally skinny, and this thread is NOT about collecting thinspo or degrading yourself to be small and frail for male attention, then go ahead. post your skinny lolitas. however i sincerely doubt that to be true and it makes me worried for you. yes, i am projecting hard here and no one ITT cares about my feels. i just want you to know i'm not trying to be misogynistic or racist or call you ugly out of jealousy. i want you to not be the nlog pickme always-pandering-for-male-attention 'skinny lolita' that i was. and sincerely i hope you never meet a man with an anorexia fetish. anyways i'm gonna leave your thread alone now.

>>10814421
You probably shouldn’t have jumped to those conclusions and asked but yes in naturally skinny, always have been and every female in my family is as well so it’s purely genetic and common to my ethnicity. And my husband would love me if I was a landwhale or my current weight because he doesn’t reduce my body down to frail, weak, pedobait, childish, sickly or inferior like half the retards itt

>>10814361
I’m not willing to get a reduction, it’s just not worth surgery to me. I don’t hate my chest, it’s just a struggle kek.

>>10814421
She's just hangry nonna , your reply was fine.

>>10814421
>yknow nonna maybe my argument wasn't airtight, and perhaps i am too sensitive
yes, you are a sensitive illogical retard who is projecting. blog about it elsewhere

>>10814421
anon, most women who are anorexic are not anorexic for male attention kek. it's usually a weird, competitive control freak thing, combined with self-harm and a desire for concern from others. a thread about being skinny, for a fashion that fits skinny women, has literally nothing to do with the male gaze

I don't for a second believe that all of you have eating disorders like you claim. I've only ever seen a handful of girls in this fashion who genuinely looked like they could be anorexic. The vast majority of lolitas who have publicly claimed to have EDs are whales seeking clout. Going on a diet does not mean you have an "eating disorder" if you are fat as fuck and literally overeating.

>inb4 but muh crash dieting, muh nutrition, muh skinny teenage years!
You 180 lb whales are not fooling anyone into believing you're currently starving. If you manage to still be overweight on a diet with zero vegetables or nutrition, you deserve your fate. Staying fat on a diet of nothing but microwave tendies and diet soda means that you have an OVEReating disorder and eat like a literal child.

I'm convinced that many of the whales on social media crying about their "former eating disorder" are just trying to justify why they've gone from an actually normal weight to obviously fat. These types are usually the most vocal about not discussing weight, and forcing people to use trigger warnings. We ALL know you're not going to get "triggered" back into being thin, don't kid yourselves.

It's such a cope. Instead of simply acknowledging that their activity has gone way down since high school, and their food intake has gone way up, they would rather pretend like they overcame some eating disorder and are a special snowflake who needs to be treated with kid gloves lest they relapse. Many of them are literally delusional about their weight and don't even think they're fat (like some Houston cows).

>>10814477
many such cases
Every girl I know who claims to have an ED / recovering from an ED is fat as fuck and eats like garbage

>>10814477
thank you this was the meanspo i needed today to make sure this doesn’t happen to me. i would sayori myself

>>10814480
>Every girl I know who claims to have an ED / recovering from an ED is fat as fuck and eats like garbage
A lot of recovered truly prior anorexic people I remember seeing on news shows and in PSA "don't be anorexic" documentaries in health class as a kid did always end up with chubby mom bods after. There's even a pro-ana fake recovery lolcow that did finally recover and she was chubby and skinny fat. I wonder if it's because they are afraid exercise will trigger their ED so they never get muscle tone or workout anymore?

>>10814504
being anorexic/bulimic in your teen or adolescent years will fuck your metabolism up forever unless you're like personal trainer levels of fit. i was in and out of residential programs through high school and now i'm just skinnyfat. all the girls i know from then are average weight or overweight now or dead from heart failure. i don't work out a ton because i know it will become an obsession quickly. but i know the damage i did to my body lol i will always be bigger than i was because i fucked myself into starvation mode

>>10814508
starvation mode? get over it and stop espousing this broscience, you gained weight. you didn't suddenly transform into a scientific marvel that magically creates more fat out of thin air. If you eat more food now and don't work out, you're obviously going to be skinnyfat like you claim. You don't get a lean body from sitting on your ass

Stop making this about EDs, fattychans. I’m trying to post cute girls

>>10814516
read about how the female body recovers from being starved in youth i’m just regurgitating what i learned from inpatient … unless you’re trolling. it’s hard to tell because i’m an autist. my weight’s fine now. nobody outside of cgl cares this much. i’m just glad my organs are way less likely to shut down now. also i didn’t say i don’t work out. i probably lift more than you kek.
anyway
>>10814518
cute dump i saved the best pics thank you for the inspo. both of you have a good night.

>>10814527
This is a factually incorrect cope. You're just skinnyfat now because you don't work out enough, not because you have some special snowflake metabolic changes

>In the longer term, it seems that all metabolic changes are fully reversible: Dellava and colleagues (2009) found no significant differences between healthy controls and a group of 16 women fully recovered (for an average of 6.4 years) from anorexia
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hunger-artist/201603/how-does-metabolic-rate-really-change-after-anorexia-part-1

>>10814542
I doubt ayrt is even skinny. Even L*ra and L*v dont think theyre fat. These whales are delusional and like to pretend their regular fat is "skinnyfat".

Stop dunking on fatties and post cute lolitas who look good in their clothing

>>10814543
Skinny fat doesn't even mean fat it means zero muscle tone and soft and doughy looking despite not being fat. Many Asian women are skinny fat because they don't work out as much there and just diet with food as a focus and get exercise via daily activities like walking to the train or school.

>>10813943
Right. I’m about 5’2 and 120 pounds. When I weighed 110-115 my brand was hanging off of me. My shirring had to be completely tightened and my AP dresses without shirring sagged on me and made me look gauntly. I gained weight and my AP fits better. I’m probably chubby by Japanese standards. But I’m happier and have more muscle tone. Sometimes I feel disgusted by having a weight gain, but I’ve gained a lot of muscle by a protein rich diet and I feel a lot happier.

>>10814543
l*v sure but l*ra is definitely skinnyfat

>>10814553
she's fat fat, watch her stupid interview on that reality show.

>>10814553
no, she's just fat. Nothing about her is "skinny". she is looks like a fucking fridge

>>10814549
It usually just means skinny/underweight with a disproportionately paunchy stomach. but it's turned into whales pretending that being overweight makes them "skinnyfat", like >>10814553 . As if theyre just one workout away from being trim and toned

>>10813522
>enter thread expect skinny lolitas
>they are mostly average/normal weight
What the fuck is wrong with the community?

>>10814526
who is this? more importantly what brand is that jsk (or corset/sk set)?

>>10814552
I'm 5'3 and when I was around 120lbs my Moitie could no longer fit or zip up. Now that I'm back around 110lbs it fits just fine.

>>10814595
It’s wild how people carry their weight.

>>10814592

that’s Connie and the corset is from jet j but idk the name

>>10814354
I lost 30lbs and my breasts didn't shrink. So at that point I decided just to get a reduction. It's insanely easy to get insurance to cover it if you pretend to be a troon

>>10814005
Moonrise Theatre

>>10814608
I weigh less than both of you, and am only a couple inches taller, but early 2000s skirts just barely fit on me. Fuck my larger bones

>>10814689
Early 2000’s skirts are notoriously small. Mine start to feel uncomfortable at the end of the day with a 65 cm waist. More modern JSKs, especially with shirring, tend to be much bigger. I’ve had JSKs with half shirring that were so baggy on me that someone standing behind me could look down and see the waistband of my petticoat. Idk why so many people seem to think there is one single ‘ideal’ body type for lolita because fit differs so much between brands, time periods and types of garment. Someone who fits perfectly into VM is going to be drowning in most AP pieces and someone who fits comfortably in modern Moitie may not be able to even zip up Moitie’s older pieces. Skinny models who look great in everything probably have the clothes clipped back on them or temporarily altered for the duration of the photoshoot or fashion show. It’s a common practice.

>>10814689
>tfw ana chan skinny and you still don't fit into some brand pieces because of your wide shoulders and hips
I hate my life

>>10814707
Same nonny :(
Even at my worst I could barely fit into older pieces, no amount of dieting can shrink a ribcage

>>10814707
I wish there were a way to shave down hip bones, i stg, its not fair…

>>10813529
I still can't believe she posted this image, I didn't know a corset could warp like that...

>>10813678
lmao how can y'all look at this picture and NOT realize all of the "skinny lolitas" you're thirsting over in this thread are photoshopped.

>>10815145
Photoshopped or just normal sized and slightly thin. There are very few startlingly or extra thin lolitas other than literal anorexics. If you aren't trying to be pro-ana this thread is just "cute lolitas who aren't plus-sized".

>>10815149
>>10815149
there's some space between where underweight ends and chubby/overweight/plus size starts.
Most of the pictures I'm seeing here are of genuinely slim (lower end of healthy bmi or slightly underweight) lolitas or normal healthy weight lolitas who use editing to appear slimmer.
I'm not seeing the whole range of body sizes up until plus sized here.
imo what I'm seeing here definitely skews to the slim size of healthy, which is in line with the tread title.

you're allowed to disagree of course, and everyone has their own definition of skinny. For some people skinny simply means "not fat". People who think that way are usually fat themselves.

>>10815157
I don't think skinny means "not fat", my point was that few if any of these girls actually seem underweight/low end of healthy skinny. I think it's weird to think that they do because it implies you think regular sized is skinny?

>>10815149
I’d honestly love to see more ana bodied lolitas but i’ve noticed that at a certain point, no skelechan knows how to dress themselves.
Its like they all spend years starving themselves to the bone and then have no idea how to dress anymore / are too cold to leave the house without layering up like a mismatched crackhead. Its such a waste.

>>10815158
it's difficult to have a conversation about this topic because a lot of these terms aren't objective and people tend to have their own definitions.
Like what does "regular sized" mean? What does "skinny" mean?
A lot of these girls could definitely be low end of healthy or even slightly underweight bmi, but my frame of reference is that I've been around people who were technically a bit underweight but didn't look that way so that affected my view of what underweight can look like.

>>10815185
skeles need love too :)
I've noticed that some of the dresses and blouses some skelechans wear are really baggy on them, and they're not the kind of clothes that are supposed to look baggy, and it can look almost just as bad as people stuffing themselves into clothes they're too big for. I've also noticed the missmatching and strange layering. I concluded those people just dgaf.

>>10814516
anon this is basic science. people who recover may or may not recover from metabolic damage and tend to end up with cardiovascular damage too (hence why heart attack is the leading cause of death for anachans, including AFTER recovery) so exercise becomes permanently hard even when you’re no longer starving. Leaving starvation mode after being in it for so long actually fucks up protein regulation because you starved your brain too. Doing anything bad to your body for a long period of time will cause long term damage, that’s just a fact in any form.

>inb4 land whale

i’ve never struggled with my weight or had to starve myself to get thin, i just walk and eat like a normal person and maintain 124 at 5’6”. i just don’t understand why people take extremes instead of the bare minimum like walking once a day.

>>10815185
>>10815186
you starve yourself long enough you get brain damage. "dgaf" more like they starved themselves stupid and can't dress themselves

being that thin in lolita looks bad anyways

>>10815204
>i just don’t understand why people take extremes instead of the bare minimum like walking once a day.

instant gratification, desperation, pressure to look a certain way, some other people not understanding or respecting that sustainable weight loss takes a lot of time and consistent habits, people with conditions that make their weight loss slower (such as insulin resistance, down regulated metabolism, hypothyroidism, etc) either give up or double down by picking more extreme methods to lose weight.

I was effortlessly thin with a flat stomach until I was 21. I was also a judgmental shitbag who thought overweight people were greedy and lazy because if I didn't have to do anything to maintain my weight and I could still eat what I wanted then what were these fat people doing in order stay their size? I had no irl example of what fat people ate so I imaged them like pigs sitting down to a table laden with a large buffet.
Then like karmic justice I gained 10 kg in a year even though my eating habits were the same, I kept fainting and needed to sleep a lot more.
I was exhausted all the time, my skin pale and my hair falling out. I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism but even after I started on meds the weight didn't just fall off like I wanted it to.
In hindsight I probably didn't give it enough time anyway.
What followed was many cycles of jo jo dieting with increasingly extreme methods. I'm doing a lot better now but my point is I remember being that ignorant, shallow and judgmental person

>>10815212
Feel this hard. I take medication that changes your face shape so even though I’m technically the skinniest I’ve ever been, my face is the fattest it’s ever been. It’s super hard to not starve myself to combat it.

>>10814691
They're also really short. I used to wear old school back in 2015-2017 before the old school revival really took off and at 5'7 with long legs all skirts looked like mini skirts. I looked like an ageplay hooker.

>>10815204
You were literally responded to with a source showing that that isn't true. Permanent metabolic damage does not occur. cope and seethe, you're just pudgy and you don't want to admit it's your fault

>>10815204
>In the longer term, it seems that all metabolic changes are fully reversible: Dellava and colleagues (2009) found no significant differences between healthy controls and a group of 16 women fully recovered (for an average of 6.4 years) from anorexia
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hunger-artist/201603/how-does-metabolic-rate-really-change-after-anorexia-part-1

If you're going to pretend like you know basic science, at least graduate high school and learn how to read scientific papers. your cardiovascular system is not "your metabolism". Stop making up bullshit.

>>10815186
Most fatties on this board will call any skinny Lolita anorexic. They're unable to cope with the fact that just watching your diet and eating less, without an obsessive self-harming disorder or any kind of calorie counting, results in slim, happy women. They equate unhealthy food with happiness.

To these whales, you are either engorging yourself, or mentally ill. They don't understand you can exist in between

>>10815213
I empathize, my mom was on prednisone for a while and it made her face look puffy and round.

>>10815221
nayrt, but yeah the term metabolic damage isn't widely understood by people. It's more like metabolism down regulates in response to long term restriction, moreso than the reduced TDEE you would expect for their reduction in weight.
It doesn't have to be permanent, but you have to do certain things in order to restore that metabolism. Reverse dieting is one of those methods.
I'm not surprised the large majority of women who diet don't know about that. I heard about it rather late as well.

Some side effects of anorexia can be permanent but it's not metabolism. It's usually fertility, hair or bone density related issues.

>>10815224
I 100% agree with you. But I don't blame them for thinking that way.

>>10815222
>>10815221
>psychology today
>masters and doctorate student in german and french wrote this lit review
>evidence is a cherry picked literature review at that
>16 people isn’t even close to the standard for statistical sampling conclusions

tell me you know absolutely nothing about research KEK.

>>10815221
did you know you can find five more sources that say the complete opposite on google scholar? from actually reputable institutions? instead of a psych today lit review? funny how medical research is a contested field, especially where leptin uptake is concerned.

>>10815252
>>10815253
>After long-term weight regain, patients reach a metabolite profile similar to HC (healthy controls)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7823299/#!po=16.1538

Cope and seethe. I know your whole world is being shattered because you no longer have a flimsy excuse for your weight gain, but try not to be so obvious about it.

>>10815261
anachans are the same as land whales for not being able to handle anything in moderation. you can keep calling me fat but the truth is most of us have never had to starve ourselves to maintain thinness. i eat two meals a day and like to go on walks to maintain 124 at 5’6”, and yet you’ll never have it that easy either from shit genetics or zero ambition. keep cherry picking articles with sample sizes that are too low where they explicitly state their study cannot be a conclusion to metabolic research in anorexia.

>>10814532
who is this? this is so cute

>>10815186
>Like what does "regular sized" mean?
I know you're trying to make the point that regular size isn't something concrete (which I agree with to an extent, average height can vary a lot country by country), but I felt the need to point out that in the fashion industry that there IS a such a thing as regular sized and there is what's called a "size break" between those and plus sizes. The tldr of this is that at a certain level of fatness, you can't keep grading up the same pattern anymore because the proportions are too different and you've got a completely different shape. You have to start over with new patterns (which is expensive and companies aren't willing to take that financial risk if they don't think there's a market for it). So when I see fatties whining that there aren't things in their sizes, I want to point stuff like this out.
If you're interested in the nitty gritty of this, fashion incubator has several great posts on it
https://fashion-incubator.com/grading_is_not_morphing/
https://fashion-incubator.com/what-is-a-size-break/

What's the point of this thread?

>>10815295
this is the best reply in this whole thread thanks for putting it in intelligent words
>>10815297
it was absolutely just bait and we all took it

>>10815296
>>10815301
stop posting itas please

>>10815295
I thought what that anon meant was "regular sized" according to what's considered a regular sized person in their country/state, not in the context of the fashion industry and brand clothing lines.
I asked "what is regular?" because what might be considered regular to people from a certain US state, might be considered fat by people from a certain european or asian country.
This is also why I said it's so difficult to have a conversation about this topic because people's personal definitions of fat, skinny, chubby, slim etc vary so much. It's not objective enough.
BMI is more objective but it's also quite difficult to accurately pinpoint the bmi of someone just from their picture alone.
BMI also just estimates body fat % and weight related health risk, it doesn't measure them.

So with these difficulties I think that threads like these will always have some amount of arguing when someone posts a picture and then someone else argues that the person in the picture isn't skinny enough.
That reminds me of a lolita from my local comm who told me she applied to a plus sized lolita group but they didn't let her in because she didn't look plus sized.

Anyway, it is a topic that does interest me and still makes me scratch my head some times even after my fashion education. I noticed that where female plus size starts and ends isn't set in stone, it depends on the brand. And that very often if you find a brand that sells both menswear and women's wear they'll have one section for the regular sizes for women's wear, and one section for the plus sizes of women's wear (and you can't find the exact same design across them) whilst the menswear department manages to include all of the sizes so the design for the xxs is the same as the design for the xxxl.

If I had to guess why this is it might be because men gain weight in rather similar ways (mostly belly), but you've got a range of body types for fat women. Apple, pear, hourglass, column.

>>10815295

thanks for the links btw.

>>10815306
babby's first coord

>>10815305
It it all subjective but when I say regular sized I mean still reasonably healthy. My perception of what skinny is includes visibly underweight, pretty lanky or bony looking. Height-weight proportionate short girls, healthy or only slightly underweight BMI looking people, etc. aren't really "skinny".

Just about every photo in this thread is of people who are just healthy weights and some aren't even "slim" looking just middle of the road, especially many of the Asian women who are also probably just short and not fat. So they're small yes but not skinny per se.

I'm not an ana-chan though and I don't want or need to see anyone thinner, I just clarified my feelings because I find the thread pointless because it feels like a fat person looking at pretty normal or healthy bodies and seeing that as thinspo if they really think the majority of girls itt read as "skinny".

>>10815314
thanks for elaborating.

For me the scale goes:
emaciated->skinny->slim->normal->chubby (but still healthy)->overweight->obese->american obese

I've noticed that when most people say skinny it's similar to my definition of slim. What I consider skinny has a little more bone definition than slim.
When there's a thread with this title I expect that most of the pictures are of people who are at least slim.
Whether I consider a slightly underweight girl or woman skinny really depends on bone definition and body fat %.

I realize I might not be 100% consistent, I usually just go off what I see.

>>10813678
funny thing is that she's not even fat, but even with her excessive shooping her bust area always looks two sizes too small

>>10813701
lmao skeleton tranny hands wrote this

>>10815297
to show that cgl has no moderation anymore and shouldbe taken out in the back

>>10815316
nayrt but i feel similarly, all the girls posted itt look like 20 bmi or lower which is what i consider to be skinny. 20-22 bmi is normal, 22-25 is chubby. obviously, it varies a tad based on body fat %

>>10815334
eh, she looks almost overweight but not terrible, especially for her age. she needs to stop squeezing into clothes that don’t fit.

I know im going to get shidded on for this by anachans and wokeys alike but here’s my harangue

I think wearer’s height & fat distribution impact how lolita clothes look just as much as weight. A lot of lolita dresses are simply not cut for people with boobs or people over like 5’4” (read: 95% of western women). If you’re taller or have a fuller bust, that turns the A-line silhouette of most Japanese brand lolita dresses into an empire waist one which imo isn’t very flattering on most people (especially boobier people). This is a fit malfunction I see on lolitas quite often.

Im not pointing this out to be an elitist cunt. I wished there was a brand that makes tall sized or boob-inclusive lolita clothes that aren’t fugly.

>>10814091
wtf, you just made me learn I have false curvature, which may be the source of a lot of other issues. Thanks anon!

>>10815279
anon I have a BMI of 17.5 and I'm barely even trying. If "eating two meals a day and going on walks" is some great feat to you, it sounds like you're not trying very hard with your 20 BMI.

>>10815378
that’s the point dipshit, it’s not a great feat. it’s the bare minimum, glad you took the time to determine my bmi which is still low and normal, bmi means nothing when it comes to weight distribution and i can tell you’ve got pouch regardless of what you do kek.

>>10814029
I want that dress so bad, this is such an iconic street snap~

>>10815388
so then why exactly were you sperging about it? No one asked for your routine, retard. Seems like you're projecting about your paunchy stomach because you admit you don't even work out beyond walking kek

>>10815366
boobs just don’t look good in lolita, i’ve seen multiple lolitas now get breast reductions because of it. it’s sad when they get it done and it ends up looking like shit still because they just have a wide rib cage, so now they just look manly

>>10814276
this is my struggle, skinny, but big booba. IWNBAL (I will never be a lolita) T_T

>>10815366
I agree.

Lolita isn't a very flattering/slimming fashion to begin with. Then if you're tall and/or have big boobs the brand stuff probably won't fit right/look as good as it could.
It's a common complaint how many dresses have a raised waist to begin with.

Regarding fat distribution I think people with an apple body shape are going to have the worst time. Nothing will look as good on them as it could, the only thing they can do is get rid of excess fat in their midsection.

It's the same with mainstream fashion, the clothes just look worse on an apple body shape.

Overweight lolitas can still look okay if they have the right proportions/silhouette and know how to dress.

>>10815426
>>10815434
There are very few genuinely skinny lolitas with giant natural boobs. The reason most of those women still look broad around the chest after the reduction is because they are usually still fat and didn't bother try losing weight first. No one's boobs are 100% breast tissue, fat definitely plays a role.

>>10815438
I actually completely disagree. If you're an "apple" shape (but not overweight) then your legs and arms will still look petite and cute since your waist is at least covered up and cinched in. You might not be able to wear some old school skirts, but all the newer things will still fit you (again, if youre not a whale). Whereas if your arms and legs are fat, it will be VERY noticeable and nearly impossible to hide. Plus, socks and sleeves are much more formfitting compared to newer waist sizes, so you will look like you are busting out.

>>10815487
I'm talking about the silhouette of the apple shape.
I was taught in fashion school that an apple shaped body has a waist that is wider than the ribcage and hips as seen from the front. That shape can happen at any size/weight but is more likely in people who are overweight or obese.
I was taught that if ribcage, waist and hips are visually the same size as seen from the front that's called a column shape if the person is fat and a ruler shape if the person is slim.

In lolita fashion, or any fashion that I know of, it's desirable that the waist is visually smaller than the ribcage. It is what looks right.
If you're not wearing an empire waist or a sack dress it will be very visible that the waist is bigger than the ribcage.

The apple's best options are sack dresses and empire waist dresses, and those don't look flattering on anyone desu.
Sure you can hide the apple in those dresses but at the cost of giving up lots of cut options.

>>10815491
that's not what an apple body shape is. for a woman's waist to be bigger than her chest, you would need to be flat out obese. for normal sized people, an "apple" is just someone who puts weight on in their stomach primarily, instead of their limbs or hips.

i think that the silhouette of lolita generally "fixes" that appearance if you wear a petticoat and tie your waisties snug. If you're pear shaped, then your fat limbs will only be exaggerated by lolita.

>>10815505
>you would need to be flat out obese

I've seen this on women with relatively small boobs who who were close to overweight or overweight, it doesn't just happen to the obese.
Normal sized people typically aren't apple shaped though. And that's a good thing since it's very unhealthy to have so much excess fat on the midsection.

>an "apple" is just someone who puts weight on in their stomach primarily, instead of their limbs or hips.

That says very little about the waist in proportion to the bust and hips, which is how the body shapes are defined. I'll stick with the definitions I learned in fashion school.

A real apple shape will just look awful when you apply any kind of pressure on the midsection trying to give it shape, like a belted pillow.

Pear shaped ladies can often hide their pear-ness in lolita since with a pear shaped body the hips are the widest part as seen from the front, wider than the waist and rib cage. This widest part is situated below the waist and above the knees so if you wear a knee length skirt you can hide it.
Pear shape does not require fat lower legs or fat knees, it doesn't even necessarily mean fat upper legs.
You can be a pear just by having wide hips. Some very slim people are pear shaped just because of their hip bones.

>>10815511
>Some very slim people are pear shaped just because of their hip bones.
that's me fortunately. no one can see my hips! i'm tricking you all.

>>10815511
find me a skinny women on mybodygallery who fits this definition of "apple shaped". having a waist larger than your tits means you're either pregnant or obese anon.

>>10815539
This, the only time I've ever seen a thin woman with a larger waist than bust is in patients with ascites, pregnant women, or pictures of severely malnourished bloating (like African children or holocaust victims). the shape of your ribs alone mean that your skeleton tapers in at the waist, unless you're obese or have some kind of disease. Apple-shaped thin women may have a bit of a poochy tummy below the waist, but the waist itself would never be that massive relative to the bust

>>10815293
a dreamwidth comm member. she left lolita, though

>>10815539
I've seen a woman with a bmi of 18 who had an apple shaped body. She had a narrow rib cage, narrow hips and too much belly fat. She wasn't a ball on legs but her waist was slightly wider than her ribcage and hips as seen from the front, so it qualifies as an apple shape.
It can happen it's just not common.

>>10814570
in the western lolita community, average/normal weight *is* skinny,

>>10815643
>>10815545
Sounds like pcos

>>10815745
nta but body shape is based on shoulder to hip ratio, not bust to hip.

>>10815745
Yeah, could be. PCOS is apparently more common than I thought, I heard it was 12% of all women in the US recently.

>>10815768
body shapes in fashion are categorized based on the relation of the shoulders, bust, waist and hips to each other as seen from the front. It's about the silhouette. It's not based on measurements because someone with wide hips and a flat ass will have different measurements from someone with equally wide hips but prominent buttocks. They can still look the same from the front.
Some people try to use measurements to pick what body shape they have but it's very unreliable.

>>10815782
do you know what a ratio is.

>>10815783
yes, I know what that is and I understood what you meant. My issue was not with your use of the word ratio. I disagreed with your claim that body shape is based on the shoulder to hip ratio but not the bust to hip ratio. Shoulder, bust, waist and hip all determine the body shape.

>>10815426
That's why if you can't figure out whether your problem is your chest or your bones, it's better to just leave lolita for good instead of getting a breast reduction that's not worth it in the end.
So many lolitas beat themselves up for their bone structure, a thing that can't be fixed with either weightloss or surgery. They should just accept that it's not for them.

>>10815928
I don't see the problem of someone having a wider bone structure but is otherwise a healthy weight and wearing lolita.
I get it might not look as intended when wearing the standard brand size but there are other options such as bigger sizing, custom sizing and DIY (only if it's good quality).

I see slim lolitas complaining about their own shoulder width and ribcage when they don't have big boobs, but I don't think that should be enough reason to give up on an alternative fashion. Otherwise it just sends the message that you need to look like the lolita ideal (slim, narrow framed, young, etc).
Imo lolita isn't about that, loads of japanese lolitas don't fit that ideal either.

>>10813678
lmao

>>10815791
and you're wrong. bust isn't included.

>>10816090
Bust is relevant for all the shapes. I'm going with my fashion school textbook over what some internet anon says, thanks.

>>10815505
>for a woman's waist to be bigger than her chest
I had a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy with no reconstruction when I was 25. Meaning I am flat chested. My "bust" measurement is 32 and my waist is 26. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine a woman who has small or no breasts with a smaller ribcage than me could have very similar bust and waist measurements without being obese. A 28 chest and 28 waist would be plausible for someone who doesn't have a lot of waist definition. Building up certain muscle groups can also make you lose waist definition. A lot of professional female volleyball players look like this (it's most obvious in beach volleyball) and I don't think anyone would call them obese

>>10816106
These women are wearing sports bras, you dumb retard. Their busts are being extremely compressed down. The busts are still bigger

>>10816106
I've seen a lot of "ruler shape" body shapes among women who are fitness fanatics. They have no noticeable dip in their waist. I don't expect them to be into lolita though so we probably wouldn't encounter them in lolita.
Some people are just built like that naturally without waist definition.

>>10816110
I don't know what your experience with sports bras is anon but the one on the left looks like she will be pretty much titless without the bra as well.

>>10816103
NTA but this is what fat girls pretending they're hourglass say. And women's bodytypes don't have some universal definition, it's made up.

>>10816174
>it's made up
so is money and psychiatry. You could would benefit from a few sessions of the latter if you think talking about body shapes makes you a jealous delusional fatty.
Get well soon anon.

>>10816174
kek, you got triggered.

>>10816168
She has small tits but her bust line is still visibly larger than her waist. That's how ribcages and breast tissue works.

And if the only example of an apple shaped skinny woman applies to a shredded Olympian then your definition is retarded. It's about fat distribution, not waist and bust measurements. Skinny women with paunchy apple stomachs will still have a smaller waist

>>10816275
ayrt
I didn't share the pictures, that was another anon.
I never used an athletic person as an example of an apple body shape. Women who are really into fitness can sometimes lose their waist definition, which leads to a straight up and down "ruler" body shape. That's not the same as an apple body shape.

For someone to be an apple shape their waist needs to project further to the side in the silhouette as seen from the front (ie it needs to be visually wider) than the ribcage and hips.
A paunchy stomach does not automatically mean someone has an apple figure, it needs to be wider visually than bust and hips. If it's equally wide it's a ruler or column shape depending on fatness.

>>10816281
*than ribcage, bust and hips.

>>10816281
I think you're taking it way too literally. Most people classify their body shapes just by where they tend to put on weight more. It's some thing that stays the same as your weight fluctuates. So even if you're skinny and not shaped like a round fat ass, some people still consider themselves "apple shaped" because they tend to put on weight in their stomach rather than in their boobs, limbs, or hips

that's the whole reason this conversation started. We were talking about thin, apple-shaped Lolitas. if you are overly literal about the definition, then no such thing exists unless you are a fat ass. But if you define it by where you tend to store your weight, then sure

>>10816353
Dropped pic

>>10816353
just goes to show most people don't agree how body shapes are defined.
Like the picture you provided, the "hourglass" has hips that are much wider than her bust and ribcage which would be classified as a pear shape in many other "guides".
I could google body shapes, look at these sorts of images and see many inconsistencies in how these are defined.
I give up, there's no point to this if people can't agree about the definitions in the first place.

>>10816353
>some people still consider themselves "apple shaped" because they tend to put on weight in their stomach rather than in their boobs, limbs, or hips
I'm the anon that originally posted the photo of the volleyball players. Do you think breast size is a definite factor classifying body shape? If so, my body shape post mastectomy is completely different than it was pre because I had full breasts

>>10816410
Obviously if you had surgery which directly affects how you store weight, that doesn't apply

>>10816418
people always forget this. breasts are also an area to store extra fat, so if remove them then any access fat you put on (or when you fluctuate) will need to go somewhere else. this one lolita in my old comm got a breast reduction to fit into brand (she didn’t even have back issues) and she went to like an A cup, and now her gut seems really prominent. it could’ve been before and now shit is just out balance, but she complains about how when she fluctuates she practically can’t button up pants anymore.

>>10816355
people need to drop the fruit analogies and get into the Kibbe System. once you actually get into and can decipher people, there’s no going back. helps you understand your body. Gamine’s look the best in every style of lolita

>>10813522
Currently trying to pipe someone who is this type of adult loli, but need help with my approach, here's the thread I made about it

>>27664471

Any help would be appreciated

>>10816431
>Gamine’s look the best in every style of lolita
Sure, if you want to look like a trooned out little boy.

>>10816431
lolita is equally as flattering on romantics

>>10816519
struck a nerve ? gamine’s are relatively short, petite, with softer facial features, slightly larger head to body ratio, with narrow angularity in their arms, wrists and shoulders. example: audrey hepburn.
you will never be kawaii

>>10816531
>gamine
>soft facial features
kek no

>>10816531
Gamines are boyish, dumbass. Also kibbe types are for dumb retards who need the advice of a scrote from the 80s who can't even dress himself

I’ve gained six pounds and I want to kill myself. I still have 30 more pounds to lose to hit my goal weight, and I’ve already lost 25-30. I’m just discouraged because I still have such a ways to go :(

>>10816431
>the Kibbe System
oh ya, old man using taoist terms incorrectly to describe what body types he thought were hot is much better!

This boy nails it

Yes, if you have a body shape of a 10 years old boy when you are 20-40 you would look more like actual smol girl when dressing lolita without any effort.

If you have wide hips and big boobs of breeding and breast feeding machine you would still look like one no matter what you wear unless it's a body bag.

Just like not every men would look like a twink not every women would look like actual porcelain doll. Clothing can mask a lot but can't change body proportions.

Should that stop one from wearing what one likes? Nope. Just some general looks are unachievable for some people.

>>10816548
Rose Nocturnalia isn’t a boy you walnut.

>>10816569
It's not RN

>>10816552
no one asked for your opinion, retard. fuck off back to your coomer threads.

>>10816533
boyish, not manish retard. they can pull off tomboyish looks (again, audrey hepburn) but are at the end of the day more cute than sexy. it’s not that hard to tell

>>10813522
I'll probably get shit for this because it's a reality ya'll don't want to own up to, but the lolita community has such a strange fixation on other people's weight/body shape/whatever. It just screams projection to me. Worry about yourselves and stop microanalyzing other girl's bodies.

Out of curiosity, what do anachans eat on a daily basis? Assuming they eat anything at all, of course.

>>10816602
rice cakes, coffee, and vape juice

>>10816602
half an almond, coffee grounds, egg shells, WD40 (helps to suppress the appetite)

>>10813949
Fat people are a burden on everyone. Their unhealthy habits raise costs of healthcare. They take up more space on flights, they get in the way when you go to the store and they have their stupid scooter cause they can't walk. Then instead of bullying fatties to lose weight we tell them they are healthy and we should respect them. Fuck no I am sick of seeing fatties. No one wants to see your lard falling out of whatever you're wearing.

>>10816405
I don't think there's ambiguity, it's just a shitty picture.there's no difference between pear/hourglass in that illustration when there should be

>>10816627
I've googled body shapes and came across many different "guides" with illustrations such as these, there is not much consistency to be found.
Some also invent different names for body shapes. Someone's "ruler" is another persons "rectangle" or "banana".
Inverted triangle is left out of many of them.
There is plenty of inconsistency among these things.

>>10816591
Yes, it's true a lot of lolitas judge other lolita's body shape and size. This is not that strange though since it's a fashion hobby and the way your body looks influences what the complete picture (someone wearing an outfit) will look like.
At the same time though of course no-one outside of CGL, the farms or private conversation will admit they are judgmental.
Some people parrot body positive talking points in public and body shame in private.
I have a problem with the pretense, with the fake wokeness.

Some gulls are also like "fat people shouldn't wear lolita fashion".
I admit I think fat people don't look as good in lolita fashion as they would have if they became a healthy weight. But I don't think they should quit just because I think some of them are shocking to look at.

But this is CGL and anything that looks like or is adjacent to anything nice or positive said towards fat people isn't allowed here so I'll shut up.

>>10816602
Options I have seen;

-omnivore high volume eating = big amounts of low calorie vegetables and fruits. Large salads are a staple food. As are broth based soups. There's usually a tiny amount of boiled chicken breast or a hard boiled egg somewhere.

-cigarettes and coffee during the day, and then eat a little less than a normal portion when eating with family or any meal they can't get out of, just to keep up appearances.

-high carb low fat, for example fruitarianism. This is just more fruits and sometimes vegetables and nothing else.

-OMAD (one meal a day) low carb or even carnivore diet.

The point of all of these is that if combined with calorie counting and calorie restriction they make it easy to stay in a calorie deficit or maintain a low weight.

>>10816612
yeah but what are you going to do about it? What can any of us do about it except for not be fat ourselves and don't pretend to be body positive in public for social brownie points?

>>10813579
>I’m 187 cm luv
ywnbaw?

>>10816602
i’m a junkarexic i drink coffee vape nicotine and eat cookies and clif bars and thats it. if im gonna eat 300 cals a day i might as well spend them on something i actually like kek

>>10816602
Are you talking about actual mentally ill anachans, or are you just wondering what skinny women eat?

I'm the latter and I just eat a lot of healthy vegetables and proteins, with smaller portions of grains than most. Fruits are my go-to snack. I don't count calories or anything. Generally just eat two meals a day.

I'm pretty sure actual anachans just have sugar-free energy drinks and other junky low-cal garbage like that.

>>10816602
Ground beef and sugar free energy drinks
My BMI is 16.5

>>10816602
Anachans wouldn't survive very long eating nothing at all, altho some periodically fast. Sugar free energy drinks, black coffee and/or herbal tea are ED diet staples but in terms of actual foods it can be literally anything, just not a lot of it.

>>10816602
got to a 15 bmi by a combo of calorie restricting, and cutting carbs/sugar completely.
I just eat a lot of meat and eat a pickle if i feel like snacking.

>>10816976
>I just eat a lot of meat and eat a pickle if i feel like snacking.

How to tell you are from eastern Europe without telling that.

>>10817021
uhm, nordic ana chans do this too

>>10816976
I’m from chicago, auntie

>>10817160
One of the biggest hubs of eastern european immigration outside of Pittsburg. So it was pretty darn close hit.

only skinnylitas can into beachlita

>>10817302
horrible example. Get some brand swim wear as a reference pic

>>10814531
Who is this?

>>10817900
Sauce on this page? I have the IW dress in the bottom right, and I want to get a better quality image of that coord.

I went for a run two times in the last few days and have been eating less. If it ever gets too hard, I say to myself "but think of the burando"

>>10818267
dont consume less than 1k daily cals unless u want to have early-onset osteoporosis and die of heart failure in your sleep at 29 <3

>>10816431
>>10816355
>>10816405
>>10816353
as a professional tailor who looks at many body types every day, none of these systems (fruit, kibbe, etc) are useful for making almost any sartorial choices. There's vastly more to a person's body "aesthetic" than their general silhouette or facial features: there's posture, bone structure, height including proportional length of neck/torso/arms/legs, fat & muscle distribution. Bodies are too unique to classify them by a vague system like that.

>>10818275
I literally can't function anyway if I do this anon, but good advice to keep in mind!

>>10818284
>posture, bone structure, height including proportional length of neck/torso/arms/legs, fat & muscle distribution

not saying kibbe is perfect but it covers all of those

>>10818292
No one can. It's a stupid redundant thing to tell someone

This thread reminds me of how much I hate myself. I hate myself for something I can't even control. I've been ana/mia before, lots of times, for years all throughout high school. Despite how thin I was, I could never be cute. I was too tall. I couldn't wear cute clothes. Brand lolita looked like I was whoring myself. It didn't matter how thin I was because it always looked like an overgrown child. I am damn near six fucking foot tall. Would never in my life wear heels. My calves are wide and manly, despite being under 120 pounds. I hate myself. I hate myself for having a closet full of brand and I haven't been to ameet up in almost ten fucking years because of it. The last J-fashion related thing I attended was a con where Misako Aoki was a guest of honor. I got my photo taken with her and I was literally almost a full foot taller than her. I am so embarrased by this photo. All of the girls in my local comm were posting photos of themselves with her and they all were similar heights. Then you see me, a god damn fucking giant, towering over her like a monster. I hate myself. I could never be cute, no matter how thin I was, the clothes never fit properly. I could never be an ideal cute lolita. I hate myself.

>>10818523
felt

>>10818295
kibbe is gross and for normies

>>10818523
I'm also nearly 6ft tall and wear big chunky platforms and heels on purpose.
I guess some of us hate being supermodel height and weight but I enjoy it.
When I tower over other lolitas to me it's just kind of funny. In gothic Lolita I feel like bayonetta
Anon I think you should get some therapy and rethink your own self perception

>>10818592
>In gothic Lolita I feel like bayonetta
You sound like you need therapy, ita.

>>10818563
obviously lolita is one-specific-silhouette-based and kibbe doesn't apply to it but unless you're a lifestyler do you not wear normie clothes EVER? do you not want to know what looks good on you otherwise?

>>10818655
Cuts, details, fabric and print recommendations, etc. based on your kibbe type can definitely still be applied to lolita.

>>10818655
>>10818667
kibbe is about appealing to men. it's based around marilyn monroe and trying to emulate her body type and make up for what you lack.

>>10818295
kibbe is literally based on one random guy whose taste in fashion has not evolved since 1980 and is based entirely on white women and celebrities from the 50s and 60s.

>>10818686
That's literally the opposite of what Kibbe teaches though kek. It's based on embracing your natural features by wearing clothes that harmonize with them.

>>10818691
no, it's really not. you've been tricked into thinking that but if you pay attention to all the classifications you'd realize how dumb it is. it teaches you how to make your natural features fit into conventionally attractive stereotypes. even by it's own insane, orientalist definitions, you're supposed to make your yang features more yin through clothing. ie. you need more curves. why the fuck do you think shorter, hourglass figure is called "romantic" please explain, i'll wait.

>>10818704
>you're supposed to make your yang features more yin through clothing.
Imagine being this confident in your retardation

>>10818610
I don't need therapy you need taste.

>>10818523
Just do whatever you want. People are going to make you hate yourself one way or another. You wont be appealing to everyone. Just get yourself to a point that makes you happy.

>>10818275
I second as someone who has been in this position a long time ago. But if youre severely under weight dont pack it on too quickly either. Its gonna be a whole process

>>10816540
Why would you kill yourself over some pounds. Get help jfc. Whats the point in enjoying the fashion if youre going to deprive your body of what it needs. Might as well use the money for a funeral at that point.

And whats the point in spewing body positivity in public and being a pos in private? Just speak honestly. What are you afraid of the general public treating you how you guys treat people here?

>>10815340
One can only hope