/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Fundraiser for 2 dresses, in a collaboration between LOCOCO and Fukasawa Midori. One OP is made of Bishu wool, the other (pic related) is made of velvet. Both materials are produced in Japanese factories.

https://readyfor.jp/projects/BishuLolitaFukasawaMidori

It's already fully funded, deadline for supporting the fundraiser is 30th September, 11 pm JST. There are items other than the 2 OPs, including matching hair accessories and a bag.

>>10807537
The wool OP: Suberbe, la Robe Noir

More complaints about JetJ quality

>>10807551

>>10807551
>>10807552
it doesn't look any different though.

>>10807572
The ruffles aren't as densely sewn

>>10807572
The ruffles on the stock photo/sample(?) looks like they were cut along the selvedge, but the ones on the customer photo like it was cut on the cross grain. Which makes the ruffles stick out and look a lot less neat and uniform. Also like >>10807584 said they don't look as densely gathered either.

It's a small detail, but imo it looks way cheaper in the customer photo

>>10807537
Those prices are absolutely bonkers, but the wool looks gorgeous

>>10807678
sorry im dumb as hell where are the prices

>>10807683
nevermind mobile site kept crashing i found them

>>10807552
The bottom one looks like a China made replica kek. I wonder how JetJ will survive now that they've alienated most of their remaining Chinese customers with their shit quality. They don't even seem that popular with Western or Japanese lolitas anymore.

Every time I see a girl that is ingrained in the community wearing one of the 2010 AP dresses that aren't steadfast, they are faded to shit and looks like complete garbage because no amount of careful washing is going to *not* fade the dress dye.

Just as a fyi to the newfags, anyways. It looks like shit.

>>10807733
this is just wrong

>>10807741
it's not, your faded AP print looks like shit.

the irony in this is I don't doubt you are one of the people who refuse to buy the machine washable prints that AP releases now.

>>10807639
it's not a small detail it really bothers me

>>10807744
Anyone who thinks it's a "small detail" probably buys most of their clothes from TJ Maxx

>>10807733
I'd rather have that people participate in meets with wash their items, even if it fades them.
What a dumb thing to care about that others are wearing faded dresses.

>>10807733
>>10807743
nah anon I think about this every time I see Milky Planet et al go for $70k. Most of these pre-2014 sweet prints have badly deteriorated compared much older lolita/jfash pieces. Partly it’s the nature of the dyes/material but mostly no one really cared to ‘preserve’ them and that’s not even a criticism t b h, they were worn and enjoyed and hung up on open clothing racks and mannequins in direct sunlight. I think they can look cool on edited instagram pics but irl they look like old bed sheets.

>>10807749
>I think they can look cool on edited instagram pics but irl they look like old bed sheets.
this. yes.

I'd much rather look at and wear something that isn't faded, personally though. 2010s aesthetic be damned. it doesn't look great when it's faded to shit

>>10807743
no, i mean you can prevent fading, you idiot. people who treat their prints like regular cotton are the ones with fucked shit.

>>10807749
>hung up on open clothing racks and mannequins in direct sunlight
This, I always think it looks nice to display but it's so dumb in terms of longevity.

It's not just prints, even solids will fade (unevenly) when displayed in sunlight.

I'm so paranoid about my dresses getting faded and shitty from washing so I only wash the nasty parts under the arms and around the neckline. Is that gross? I think I smell fine.

>>10807726
Most of their stuff these days looks like overdesigned tacky taobao with ugly prints anyway. Not surprised their popularity is waning.

Did the MI comm turn 16 this year and have a celebration tea? Or was that a members sweet 16?

>>10807768
Your dresses will get damaged over time from oils from your hair and skin. Don’t wash them every single time you wear them, but clean them every few wears. I usually wear a camisole below OPs to minimize skin contact.

>>10807748
Seriously, what’s with the influx of disgusting newfags who expect their clothes to be completely perfect forever? It’s possible to keep your in clean and unstained condition, but thinking your clothes will stay brand new after 5-10 years is some conlita shit. If you actually wear the fashion and dress up for more than IG photos or shitty tiktoks, expect your clothing to show a little wear.

>>10807795
this. people have forgotten the art of the spot treatment. there are velveteen dresses with embossed appliqués that have zero whole-wash methods, and spot treatment is the only way. Circus Puppet runs into this problem consistently.

Maintaining quality is also a part of the upkeep process. repeat washing your dresses is lazy. Luxury pieces in fashion require luxury care. So many of the MM and VM pieces that have circulated for 10-15 years have maintained their quality because classic lolitas have had to figure out how to maintain the close proximity dyed florals.
(But also the dress quality is better than AP so that helps kek)

>>10807806
>Circus Puppet
reasons why you should take everything said here with a grain of salt

>>10807807
some of us actually speak more than one language, also not a sweetfag if you could not tell.

also what part of what I said is incorrect? Spot treatment is a real method to maintain quality of dresses.

>>10807808
i speak multiple languages too, retard. i also wear multiple substyles and have receibed MM dresses in absolute shit condition before. just admit you have no idea what you’re talking about and go

>>10807806
Circus Puppet? Go back, ESL larp chan.

>>10807808
enjoy your stinky dresses.

>>10807808
Lmfao Circus Puppet because you’re ESL, right. Tell us more about how you don’t wash your Magdalene Mary and Maiden Victorian dresses, larper-chan

Is it just me or is the online comm kind of dead lately

>>10808120
all the nice lolitas were invited to the secret invite only lolita imageboard. you're stuck with the itas because you sinned.

>>10807746
This describes most lolitas I know, to be honest. I don’t trust reviews without tons of detailed pictures because anything that doesn’t rip apart during the first wear is hailed as “amazing quality”. Even diehard brandwhores often can’t articulate exactly what makes their burando higher quality than off-brand. Lolitas will claim that what sets lolita apart from other fashions is an emphasis on quality, then turn around and buy from SouffleSong or Lady Sloth.

>>10807552
JetJ's response
>https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/1572154125730873345

>>10808229
Google's translation:
Thank you for your continued patronage. We sincerely apologize for the fact that the mass-produced product of "flower in a vase op" that we sent to you was different from the sales sample (the gathers on the neckline and cuffs are different from the sample photo). Today, when I checked with the production factory, the cause is as follows. The handling of the gathered parts and the way of arranging after sewing are different from the first edition, so the result of this resale product is different. We deeply regret that there were inadequate points in the finish of the product, and we apologize for that.
Therefore, we will respond to the return and repair of the product as soon as possible.

*For customers who have already shipped products and wish to return or repair them, please contact us by either shop mail or Weibo (to prevent mistakes, contact us Please select only one). After confirming, please return the product you received.

When contacting us, please be sure to provide us with your order number, registered shipping name, and return address (you can also attach a screenshot of your order).

*In addition, as a result of consulting with the customer's factory that has not been shipped, we will temporarily discontinue all products currently in production and those scheduled to be produced in the future in order to correct the gathered part. As soon as the corrected product is completed, we will ship it as usual, so we are very sorry, but please wait for a while.

*In regards to the fabric and pattern, we received a question as to whether the material and pattern of the reissued product had changed compared to the first edition. Therefore, please note that the fabric produced this time is slightly different from the one used in the early days).

(1/2)

>>10808232
Next, let's talk about the cuff design. When it went on sale for the first time, many customers commented that it felt cramped because the cuffs had no elasticity. There is no change in the overall shape and pattern of the dress, so we hope you will understand.

*Delivery after modification
Due to the large number of items ordered this time, we will inform you of the official delivery date in advance while consulting with the factory.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused to our customers, but we will do our best to produce products that will please our customers, so we appreciate your understanding. We will strive to strengthen our production and quality control in the future, so please accept our apologies. We are very sorry for this inconvenience. We appreciate your continued patronage.

(2/2)

>>10807817
>>10807811
>>10807817
calling a person a larper for a switched dress title name (despite the literal description being accurate; plush material with embossed appliqués) truly shows the level of brain rot within the sweet community. you people are fucking retards if you think washing your entire dress consistently after each time you wear it is suitable care. Just admit you don’t shower before you go out stinky chans

>>10808301
calm down retard.

>>10807539
First time seeing these pics. Is she standing in a factory?

>>10808474
Yes, it looks like she is in the factory the fabric is made. What you seen in the background are looms.

>>10808489
im pretty sure its a set, i swear ive seen other brands post photos with the exact background

>>10808301
>you people are fucking retards if you think washing your entire dress consistently after each time you wear it is suitable care.
this is exactly what I have been saying as a 2010s print sweetfag

girls got some ugly ass decontrasted looking bed sheet dresses at meets, nowadays. yo, yes I am gonna judge you for wearing something that has been trashed and looks like shit.

What was the huge drama that the Moitie Insta posted about? Can’t find anything

>>10807678
I really don't think the price is crazy, especially considering the fact that it is real wool, not produced in the third world, and an extremely high quality wool. A dress like that is probably using 5 or more yards of fabric. Also the yen is down right now so the price would be cheaper for you. There are shitty polyester pieces that go for over 1k secondhand. With this, you're paying for material quality and craftsmanship. I'm ecstatic to see that pieces are being made in quality materials; this piece is just not my taste though
>>10808504
It's not a set, if you scroll down you can see it's the factory

>>10808520
yea nevermind i might be fucking schizophrenic bc i cant find the photos i was thinking of

>>10808514
From what I could gather in Instagram comments, TikTok tards we're leaving nasty comments accusing mana-sama and MM of cultural appropriation due to the bands wearing braids in the Klaha era.

>>10807537
This is interesting, but the current designs are too fancy for me. It looks like they had done a project before with a more casual style. I would be interested if they do a casual dress again.

>>10808530
what?

>>10808506
this. these are not "normal" clothes and can't be tossed in the wash consistently. People wouldn't do that with their designer clothes, and neither should anybody with lolita.

>>10808674
desu i feel like if you're willing to spend the money on brand, you should also be willing to shell out a few bucks on the drycleaner's

>>10808730
>>10808674
Is spot cleaning really such a far off concept these days? Personally I do both, I spot clean JSKs that don't touch my skin and I'll bring everything to the drycleaners once a month. Blouses, OPs, and things that get direct skin contact either get thrown in the wash or go straight to the drycleaner asap. I just can't imagine having a catch-all laundry routine in this fashion.

>>10808734
>she thinks clothes get dirty from your body and not touching public seats and benches and shit
retard.

Is it normal that baby sf hasn't updated their fulfillment status page in two months?

This is probably old news, but did you guys see the Mana Pullip doll? Pretty cute.

>>10809133
i prefer the triple fortune one they did recently, not really into dolls though

>>10808674
seeing the generally accepted attitude of lolita culture from
>lolita is just normal clothes it’s not a costume! wear your lolita every day and do all of your daily chores in it or you’re a poser conlita meetlita! i wear my lolita to scrub my shower and dig holes in my backyard because i’m a true and honest lolita not like you costume wearing fakers
to
>lolita has to be treated specially lolita polyester and cotton are made of different fabric than your plebian non lolita polyester and cotton shirts! you have to keep it pristine and impeccable and if you get a single snag or sign of use on it you’re a disgusting piece of shit! how dare you let another person breathe on your $10,000,000 holy sunshine and rainbows polyester skirt, if anyone even looks at it funny it will explode into smithereens
on here over the past few years is fascinating. it’s interesting to me

>>10809143
ok stinky

>>10809143
are you new?

>>10809147
>>10809146
i find you interesting

>>10809151
the feeling isnt mutual, go shit up a different board thanks

>>10809156
sorry i hurt your feelings babe

>>10809143
what does culture have to do with basic garment care? i think you might be a little stupid!

cute

>>10809143
what a nice little straw house you’ve built. mind pointing where in this thread (or ever) has anyone stated those things? we’re talking about basic generic care for luxury goods, nobody is trying to keep things in “mint” condition, that’s impossible after repeated use.

>>10808730
Tbh, most dresses are less than $100 secondhand. 2010s sweet prints used to be really cheap too. If somebody isn’t buying at retail price, I can see why they wouldn’t want to shell out for dry cleaning.

>>10809348
ayrt, the anon from >>10809143 is trying to point out the shift in mindset from "you should do everything in lolita, no matter how dirty or dangerous it is to your clothes. If you don't you're not a real lolita" to "these aren't regular clothes, they need to be babied and only be worn for the activities with the least risk of getting them dirty".

I've noticed that shift in mindset as well. But I'm happy there's less finger pointing at people who want to wear lolita occasionally now. I don't want to wear it to bleach my sink/bathroom or to go grocery shopping.

For all this laundry discussion, just look up Abby Cox's video on modern laundry. If I'm spending big bucks on a well made, quality dress, then I'm going to care for it and wash it by hand and spot clean. I want it to last.

i figured i'd ask here, where's a good place to buy a proper decent quality petticoat? i don't mind if it's on the pricier side as long as its decent and gets to me relatively quickly.

>>10809494
Aurora and Ariel, Wunderwelt original

I noticed MeLikesTea increased their prices quite a bit since I last bought from them. Are they still worth buying from?

>>10809594
they werent worth buying from in the first place imo, their pettis are so weirdly shaped

>>10809594
Their pettis suck, I've had to get rid of two of them and my third one got fucked up from being washed on gentle/ cold water. The organza fabric got all warped and shredded looking. The others were different fabrics, one was hard tulle and it went flat and then fell apart.

The only way I'd buy another is if they cut the price by half. They last about 2-3 years depending on how often you use it

>>10809594

both of these
>>10809598
>>10809958
are correct. I bought one of their pettis and an underskirt a few years ago. At first I thought the quality was fine. The petti was really voluminous and the underskirt seemed okay. Neither was as nice as brand pettis (just cheap polyester type materials, basic gathered ruffles, no lace or pintucks or any details like that.) But I liked how their stuff could be custom sized and came in a lot of colors.

So I ordered another petti and a couple more underskirts. But before I even got my second order, the petti was getting tears here and there (clearly REALLY cheap tulle and organza, never had this happen with any of my brand pieces or even cheaper bodyline and taobao crap) and the first underskirt was basically disintegrating. Loose threads everywhere, some of the seams came undone, and half the bottom hem totally tore off

I was a lot more gentle with my second petti and other underskirts when they arrived, but they haven't held up well either. I assume that MLT is using fabrics that aren't really meant for regular clothing (like maybe sheer curtain fabric or something?) bc it's bizarre fragile. And then not hemming/doing seams properly for that type of fabric.

Which one of you made this page. Didn't want to start a new thread. Sorry if it's off-topic. Also is the not washing thing your coords true in your groups. I could see browning collars on white fabric. But not the whole damn dress

>>10809962
damn i got a migraine reading through those, they better just be bait lmao

On 30th September, the last day of the fundraiser, more casual-style dresses in Bishu wool will be up for reservation.
>https://twitter.com/aichiamai/status/1575427226547367938

>>10808537
Well, anon, time to put your money where your mouth is.

>>10808506
I just dry clean mine. A little expensive but worth keeping my prints looking nice.

>>10809594
They were only ever worth it with the old prices and a good exchange rate. My hard tulle petticoats are 5 years old and have held up well, but the organza and other fabrics deflate like crazy and have the same problem that Classical Puppets pettis had with ripping at the seams.

when does wunderwelt update their stock? is it specific days/time still?

>>10809348
>lolita
>luxury goods

if ur poor just say that

>>10809133
got once since I will probably never find the BJD they released a few years ago on the second hand market

>>10809133
Hate Pullips with a burning passion, but I want that outfit for my Blythe

>>10808120
summer is over anon, boards only picked up due to summer fags, and because of covid there was a lot of drama the last two-three years. people finally have shit to do and it ain’t sitting around attacking other lolitas.

>>10810907
Blythe master race

>>10808233
>>10808232
Well that's much better customer service than Baby or AP for sure.

Has anyone gotten the marble lucky bag? What kinda accessories should I expect to get?

I am so tired of “lolita indie brands” that are not selling any lolita items being shilled in lolita spaces

This is a fucking t shirt with a pumpkin on it, please get off my feed

>>10811819
I love LOTV but this is painfully true, idk who decided to promo it on lolita news it's not even like a cute cutsew or anything. I'm sad that the brand has been so dead though, she just keeps rereleasing her actual lolita designs, and has had little other than those busted looking brooches listed for at least four years.

>>10811859
I've heard from people that they've had issues with her, Idodeclare and Voodooodolly. Shipping delays, quality issues and shitty communication across all 3 of them. (IDD has solid construction but the other 2 points still stand).
American Indie brands seem to be so fucked.

JetJ is releasing a new OP called "Caricature des chats d'Edo*猫の戯画". The order period is from 11th October 2022, 12 pm JST to 1st November 2022, 12 pm JST.

>https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/1579275529194156033

since we're talking petticoats a lot - any of y'all tried a 'birdcage' type petti/underskirt, from any brand? seems good for hot weather, but I've never heard a rec for one and I reaaally don't know if I can be bothered to sew one from scratch.

>>10811867
It looks like shitty taobao, makes sense since they shifted their manufacturers there.

>>10811872
Just quickly browing through lolibrary I realized that 2014/2015 was the last year where they released anything good. It's also around that time when the quality started going downhill. Such a shame, but there is no recovery from that.

>>10811863
Did not have a problem with shipping from LOTV. She did highlight in the past year about an ill family member that needed to be cared for so her attention is on that instead of her brand

>>10811867
This looks like some triple fortune shit

>>10811889
It's good that you didn't have issues, but there were definitely others that did.

>>10811871
They're not good imo, they give your dress a weird shape unless you layer on another petti over it which defeats the purpose. For hot weather I just have a pair of long linen bloomers and wear cotton blouses

How has your comm reacted to Discordgate so far?

>>10809958
Why would you put a petti in the washing machine. That's insane behaviour

>>10811871
Ignore what >>10811927 says, I wear a cage petti with a small organza petti to smooth the shape when it's hot. It definitely helps and the shape isn't too weird.

>>10811953
lmao enjoy your stinky ass pettis

>>10811889

I had a shipping issue. Granted right after I emailed her (it had been 6 months at that point) she sent it out but i think a mass email explaining the situation could have worked. Not everyone is glued to IG stories and in my limited experience people appreciate updates and are pretty forgiving.

Customer service from her is still better than IDD though, which says more about idd.

>>10811951
what

>>10812032
anon has never heard of hand washing

>>10812032
Nayrt but you can hand wash things

>>10812022
any chance you have a link/store name for the cage petti?

>>10812043
IDD and Voodooodolly are horrible to buy from in my own experience. They never shipped my orders in time, and required multiple emails to even get a reply.

I've seen people post about getting damaged halos from Voodooodolly too. The lack of any CS is really off-putting.

>>10812079
people who like IDD and voodoodolly are the same circle jerk elitists anyway lmao

>>10812079
>>10812087

the only reason they get away with this is because they suck up to big time influencers, usually in spaces that are no lolita anymore. Otherwise as >>10812087 said the only real clientele left from their lolita days are circlejerkers.

>>10809958
did you use a laundry bag?

>>10812096
IDD has really good quality but the only way I'd buy from them in secondhand. I'm tired of having to run circles around her excuses.
Voodooodolly's crowns have gone down in quality, so they're not even worth buying from. The last time I saw someone's white crown it looked like it had been spraypainted by a child.

>>10811953
Brand ones hold up just fine. MLT is fucking garbage. I was washing it the same way I wash my BTSSB and AP pettis. The seam allowance is too damn narrow because Tai is a cheap ass

>>10811863
>>10812079
Checks out. The pumpkin shirt is on pre order until Oct 18 which doesn’t give her much time to produce & ship them such that they’ll arrive at peoples homes by Halloween (which is when I assume you’d want a shirt like this)

These indie brands suck at planning some padding for delays & setbacks into their timeline preemptively.

>>10812079
>Voodooodolly
A piece I bought from her and which took aged to ship actually arrived broken. When I emailed her about it she said she was sorry and that was it. No refunds.

any chocolate themed blouses or accessories you'd recommend from taobao? I know infanta has a blouse in their store right now

>>10812268
Yikes I hope you opened a claim

>>10812270
V castle I think has some and Sakya has that apron

>>10812268
What a trash fire. I saw her change the shipping terms to insured only. But imagine liasing with her to get the insurance claim filed, it's as good as nothing.
>>10812271
It's hard to open a claim since her preorders are so long. That's also not including her delays. When you get the item it's long past Paypal's claim window.
But you could do a chargeback if your bank allows it.

>>10812271
This happened years ago, I had it shipped it to my mom because I was abroad for work for a few weeks at that time. My mom opened the package and on surface level everything seemed ok. Only when you took the piece out of the box you would see that a part of the backside was broken off. When I returned and finally saw the damage the claim window had been expired.
>>10812280
I'm glad she changed her shipping policies though, there must have been more cases like mine..

>>10812054
I have one from Classical Puppets but a quick look at their TB page and they don't seem to sell it anymore

I'm ordering shoes from Japan but I'm unsure on the sizing, some conversion charts put me at 23.5, some at 24.5. I'm a US 7.

>>10814775
Measure your foot by tracing it on a piece of paper and add 0.5-1cm for comfort, then you'll get your exact JP size

>>10814775
7 is unfortunately in between sizes. You can either get M and it’ll fit if you’re a true 7 but be a bit snug, or get L but will have to stuff the toe box and wear layered socks. 7 is 23.5-24

>>10811867
I will never forgive them after the shit job they did of my Bosch JSK

>>10814791
Shoes aren't supposed to fit snug, M will definitely be too small for them

>>10814791
>stuff the toe box
you mean use an insert?

>>10814775
I wear a 23.5 and my US size is typically 6 1/2. A US 7 is usually closest to a 24.

>>10814823
There’s 3 sizes for shoes in japan. You will never find your exact western size. You’re supposed to pick whichever is closest, and the closest for a US 7 is a M, it just won’t fit the same way your US/Euro shoes will. A true 7 isn’t available in jp sizing because it’s between M and L, but is closer to M. Japan has wider toe boxes than western shoes, so if you have narrow feet, you can go down slightly.
>>10814826
I’ve stuffed cotton balls in the front.

>>10814877
just use inserts you freak. also you're wrong about the shoes, lolita brands do that, but most are by CM

>>10814879
You missed the part about japanese shoes. Not everyone buys taobao/replica shoes. Also I use cotton balls because it’s cleaner. I can just throw them out after using, whereas you can’t wash insoles without ruining the adhesive

>>10814877
>Japan has wider toe boxes than western shoes, so if you have narrow feet, you can go down slightly
Wrong, the issue isn't with the toe box being too narrow, but with the actual length of the foot. You're never supposed to wear shoes with an insole that measures exactly the same as your foot, otherwise say hello to ingrown nails and bone deformities over time. When you step on your foot, it expands lengthwise, so you need at least half a cm of wiggle room not to crush your toes. Source: ask any podologist.

>>10814915
inserts are washable you moron. no one's talking about insoles. do you have brain damage? only lolita brands in japan do lettered sizing, no one was talking about china.

>>10814775
I’m slightly smaller than you (EU 37) and I buy both L & M depending on what’s available, but usually M. Mary-Jane style shoes and flats are usually too loose in L, but sometimes M is a bit too snug. It’s a crapshoot basically

>>10812079
>>10811863
IDD has had the reputation of only responding and shipping things out for her friends for like a decade, this isn't new.

>>10811887
I would say around that time is when a lot of brands started to go downhill. Maybe 2016-2017 if I'm being more generous.

>>10814936
That's not true. I bought LL sandals and shoes from plenty of stores. All kinds of shit from normie dress shoes to flip flops. I mostly shop at cheap department stores besides for lolita so ymmv if you're buying European import stuff in JP

>>10814779
I'll give that a shot, thanks.
>>10814791
>>10814871
>>10814938
Thanks for the advice. I'll measure my foot and see, but I lean toward a 7 1/2 so I'll probably go 24.5.

Welp, no more secrets.

>>10815153
They sucked anyways. It was very obviously the same person or group of people submitting their personal vendettas trying to make it look like it wasn't them. Stopped checking after a few weeks, after the official LiveJournal closed.

I asked Google's new AI how to be a lolita

>>10809143
You're retarded as fuck, it's the ones who wear it frequently who know how to care properly for items. If I'd threw everything I own in the washing machine, half of my closet would be in a poor condition by now. Handwashing isn't that hard and can be fun.

>>10815341
Hand washing isn’t suitable for a lot of dresses retard, only dry cleaning. Enjoy ruining your clothes because you cheaped out.

>>10815344
Bullshit. I've been wearing lolita since 2011 and have been handwashing my more fragile pieces with literally no problem, you just have to be careful and patient.

>>10815344
dry cleaning does a poor job of removing odors. have fun with your stinky clothes because you thought cotton was unwashable kek

>>10815379
no it doesn't, you retarded?

Did anyone end up archiving re-ri's wordpress blog?
It seems like it finally expired.

>>10815341
>>10815344
The real Chad move is to wash everything in the washing machine on delicate with cold water and hang to dry.

>>10815599
That's what I do with almost all my dresses except I lay them flat in a towel sandwich to dry. Don't want to mess up the shoulder straps with the weight of a soaking dress.

>>10815383
Yes it does, it's a very common complaint. Water does a much better job of removing odors than dry cleaning solvents. There is no reason you need to be dry cleaning ALL of your Lolita unless you are a retard

>>10815645
that's only for certain types you google search retard.

>>10815610
That's a good point anon. Sometimes I will drape part of the skirt over another hanger when drying to take pressure off the straps.

>>10815651
dry cleaning doesn't actually "clean" your garments it's nasty AF. Most lolita can be washed in a washing machine and it'll actually get clean with soap and water.

>>10815684
you're fucking retarded.

>>10815645
I got a knit dry cleaned because it smelled too bad to wear (I was very new to lolita). When I got it back I asked why it still smelled and they told me dry cleaning doesn't remove odors. I hand washed everything after that (even dry clean only because what's the point if it still smells?) and everything has been fine.

What's a good SS that will buy in person in the Tokyo area? Japonica is who I usually use, but they won't do in person.

>>10815758
NTA but it depends on the chemicals. Cheap dry cleaners use chemicals that only get the stains out.

Christ this is hideous…
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fluffytoritights/rainbow-parade-dress

>>10817054
gross

>>10817054
Idk I like the rainbow gradient

>>10817054
At least this dress is like a big red flag for who to avoid at meetups.

>>10817054
Fluffy Tori always has such garish prints but this pride one is the worst I've seen yet. It's so eye-bleedingly ugly that it feels almost homophobic.

https://item.fril.jp/a22b876e026883c4a8e498b2a6fb9c51

Based japanese lolitas, I hope they'll do the same with the moitie ones eventually.
I wish mercari/yahoo/fril scalper a merry violent death.

>>10820310
great find, post the pics next time

>>10821063
Listing owner's message on the post:
>この方はメルカリさんで購入されたロリータ系、ゴシック系、パンク系の服をラクマさんで高額で転売しています。
>酷いものは10倍も釣り上げて売られています。
>分かっているだけで数百件見つかりました。

>この方がメルカリさんで購入された商品のページを見ると汚れや傷みが説明されているにも関わらず、ラクマさんで出品する時には記載されていない場合も多く、記載があってもタグ無しの新品、未使用品、試着のみ、一度だけ着用、などの記載になっていることが多いようです。

>最近ではメルカリさんでも購入価格より遥かに価格を釣り上げて売られているようなのでそちらも使われる方は気をつけて下さい。

>またメルカリさんの方では他の方の専用出品を購入している事もあるようです。

>名前もよく変えられているのでプロフィールや評価の件数を覚えておくと良いかもしれません。

>あまりにも酷かったため、多くの方に知って頂き被害を減らしたく思いベイビー様のブランド名をお借りしてこちらに投稿させて頂きました。

>購入の際に思い出して頂けると幸いです。

>場違いな投稿失礼しました。

>下記が主に高額転売していたブランドになります。
>Angelic Pretty
>BABY,THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT
>ALICE and the PIRATES
>Innocent World
>Juliette et Justine
>Mary Magdalene
>metamorphose
>Secret Honey
>Victorian maiden
>h.NAOTO
>Moi-meme-Moitie
>Ozz On
>Qutie Frash
>ATELIER BOZ
>ATELIER-PIERROT
>MIHO MATSUDA
>FRILL
>ALGONQUINS
>PEACE NOW
>PUTUMAYO
>SEX POT ReVeNGe
>MAXICIMAM

>>10821064
Google translation:

This person resells Lolita, Gothic, and Punk clothes purchased at Mercari at Rakuma at a high price.
The worst ones are sold for ten times as much.
As far as I know, I've found hundreds.

When this person looks at the page of the item he purchased on Mercari, it explains the dirt and damage, but when he sells it on Rakuma, it often doesn't. , Unused, Only tried on, Worn only once, etc.

Recently, even Mercari seems to be selling it at a much higher price than the purchase price, so please be careful if you are using that as well.

Also, it seems that some people on Mercari are purchasing other people's exclusive listings.

The name is often changed, so it may be a good idea to remember the number of profiles and ratings.

It was so bad that I borrowed Baby's brand name and posted it here in the hope that many people would know about it and reduce the damage.

I hope you will remember this when purchasing.

Sorry for the misplaced post.

The following are the brands that were mainly resold at a high price.
Angelic Pretty
BABY, THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT
ALICE and the PIRATES Innocent World
Innocent World
Juliette et Justine
Mary Magdalene
metamorphosis
Secret Honey
Victorian maiden
h. NAOTO
Moi-meme-Moitie
Ozz On
Qutie Flash
ATELIER BOZ
ATELIER-PIERROT
MIHO MATSUDA
FRILL
ALGON QUINS
PEACE NOW
PUTUMAYO
SEX POT ReVeNGe
MAXICIMAM

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>>10821071
Dump end.

>>10820310
>>10821063
Based Japanese lolitas, I hope this information spreads and the scalper quits forever

>>10815760
I liked Sunflower Seed when I used them, but ended up overpaying by close to $100 with their service and transportation fees

>>10820310
>>10821063
This bitch scalped my DD for $700 last year and I haven't been able to forget about it since, glad more people are speaking out against her

>>10807806
Jesus why tf is everyone ragging on this anon because they accidentally switched some words around when referring to the name of a dress?? You guys act like you’ve never made a speaking error in your life before. And do you seriously expect someone to be able to perfectly remember and recite the name of every AP print??? That’s just ridiculous

>>10821337
Nobody gives a fuck about your uniformed newfag opinions. If you don’t know anything about lolita shut up and learn more, or fuck off to a different fashion.

>>10807806
Some garments, the washing tag says not to spot clean. They are dry clean only even as spot cleaning. Spot cleaning is good because every time you wash a garment it degraded. Only reason to wash a whole garment is for odor or bad storage.

Someone is flooding the board

>>10824518
Probably a tranny. They can cope and seethe as much as they want to, nothing makes them angrier than knowing that women can just exist as our beautiful selves without needing makeup to “pass” or expensive surgery to turn our ballsacks inside out.

>>10824533
I should have deleted the post, my goal wasn't actually to talk about it only to save a thread. I was too late to save the lolita bag thread :(

I'm surprised the price is lower than the original 2001 release

>>10825166
The quality is lower too

>>10825318
Sauce?

>>10807733
making the fashion print focus was a mistake

I was looking back on translations for Kitai Fuku Ga Aru and the image quality on Imgur has been reduced greatly for whatever reason. Really wish I backed them up back then.

>>10826026
Links in case anyone wants to read them again

Kitai Fuku Ga Aru/ There Are Clothes I Want To Wear! by Tsuneki Netarou

Chapter 1 - I want to be myself
https://m.imgur.com/a/ej9a1vA

Chapter 2 - Exit the Net Cafe
https://imgur.com/a/M89cBpQ

Chapter 3 - Unfulfilled Dreams
https://imgur.com/a/qYytedg

Chapter 4 - The Struggling Swan
https://imgur.com/a/f7bAJzm

Chapter 5 - Street Snap Debut!?
https://imgur.com/a/qZ0hDTS

Chapter 6 - Class Goals For Whom
https://imgur.com/a/lHPDTwW

Chapter 13 - Rain and Lolita
http://velvet-translations.blogspot.com/2018/11/there-are-clothes-i-want-to-wear.html

>>10826027
Anon, you are my hero. I was just thinking about this manga, it's a shame there's no full official translation or full fan translation.

>>10826027
Turns out the original translator also uploaded the scans to Amino, so I've uploaded those to MangaDex. The images on the blog hosting chapter 13 were starting to break, but thankfully those were retrievable through The Wayback Machine, so I've also compiled the chapter and uploaded it to MangaDex. It's in the process of getting approved. Hopefully the chapters are a little more accessible and permanent this way. Happy reading! The dream is if someone else picks up the translation from here.

It's a good reminder of how transient online materials are. Shameless plug to contribute to Lolibrary if you find yourself with a spare 10 minutes. Only a couple of brands have dedicated archivers, and they do get busy. Every entry helps.

>>10826035
You are a hero, thank you nonny

I'm getting LC withdrawals. IDC about the EGL drama thread that brought me there anymore, I just want to vent and chat with nonnies and be understood.

>>10808730
I’m terrified of the dry cleaner losing small pieces or even totally misplacing my dress. Whenever i see one, it’s a fucking mess of hangers and i don’t trust it. But also that’s why most of my pieces are hand-washable solids.

>>10826045
Just put original[dot] at the start of the url

>>10826045
genuinely pathetic

>>10826045
Please, unironically, go outside.

>>10826048
This is the issue for me, most drycleaners fucking suck at handling anything that isn't a basic bitch suit or coat

Ive been thinking about selling off all of my lolita clothes for years. I have a few pieces I will probably hold on to, but only ones I think I might like to wear.
I’ve started the process, I am slowly actually getting rid of my items. Im struggling with getting rid of my dream dress. I’ve owned it for 5 years or so and never worn it. Should I just get rid of it now or force myself to wear it once, get some pictures, and then sell it. I know the person I will be selling it to so maybe she’d let me borrow it if I ever wanted to actually wear it. It’s just really not my style anymore (lolita overall isn’t, but especially this dress).

>>10808730
>>10826048
>>10826536


I don't trust dry cleaners at all. I've heard too many stories of lolitas having bad experiences with dry cleaners in area alone. One story in particular stayed with me even after years. A dry cleaner irreparably damaged a dress, tried to hide it when the lolita came to pick it up, she inspected the dress right there and the dry cleaner said "it's just a cheap halloween costume for kids".

I will try almost anything to remove stains and smells on my own before I even attempt to look for a dry cleaner, it will be my last resort.

>>10826540
wear it before you sell it you absolutely idiot.

>>10817054
This is everything that's wrong with the western lolita comm.

>>10817102
Yeah you and every other "queer" fat ita

>>10817054
Holy shit you guys need to read the kickstarter page, I’m literally crying from laughter right now.
>Splish the Otter is riding in the parade in his wheelchair, wearing gay (male) colors and waving the Progress Pride flag (with special focus on people of color and trans identities) He is joined by his boyfriend, Yuval the Gazelle, wearing trans masc colors
>Chipo the Shi Tzu won’t be slowed down by anything, including their leg prothesis, and is taking part in the parade dressed in intersex colors
>Felix the Axolotl is dressed in demi-boy colors and wearing a yellow and blue ribbon for Down syndrome awareness

>>10826680
>leaving out the AIDS turtle
baka

>>10826680
You left out that the "body positivity" character is a literal hippo. My sides.

And why would someone ever need a Down syndrome awareness ribbon?? Are people unaware it exists? Do these retards need to get screened for it? KEK

>>10809143
>lolita is just normal clothes it’s not a costume! wear your lolita every day and do all of your daily chores in it or you’re a poser conlita meetlita! i wear my lolita to scrub my shower and dig holes in my backyard because i’m a true and honest lolita not like you costume wearing fakers

LARPers on cgl and livejournal invented this mentality. 99% of lolitas in japan see lolita as fancy weekend clothes or other luxury goods. kamikaze girls was not a documentary, but the western lolita community took it as a serious aspirational example of a lolita and not the comedic exaggeration that it is.

>>10826683
>And why would someone ever need a Down syndrome awareness ribbon??
Virtue signalling

>>10826680
This is some Sesame street shit.

>>10826684
>99% of lolitas in japan see lolita as fancy weekend clothes or other luxury goods.

I don't know if it's really seen as luxury when it costs much less than normie designer stuff. But everyone treats nice clothes differently. Some people feel that the clothes cost more and should be used as much as you can so you get your money's worth. And some feel like you should keep them pristine because you spent so much money that you must preserve the value by keeping it as new as possible. Not to mention people who treat brand as speculative assets.

Everyone has different perceptions of how to really obtain the most value from their clothing.

>>10826540
If you have to force yourself to wear your "dreamdress", it's better to just sell it.

>>10826684
It's clothing, it's meant to be worn. Really hate the "purely collector mindset" terminally online zoomers brought into the fashion.

>>10826759
regardless of the cost most japanese lolitas are not lifestylers, they don't wear it every day. I would love to see someone with more insight talk about all of the differences between japanese and western lolitas. However I don't think there's much of a difference between them when it comes to the topic of not wearing lolita every day but wanting to, and kind of romanticizing/fantasizing about being a lifestyle lolita.

>>10826763
I think the definition of lifestyler as someone who wears lolita only and never anything else is reductive desu. You have to wear pajamas, work uniforms, swimsuits, etc. Misako is definitely what I'd call a lifestyler, but she's a nurse and wears scrubs to work, roomwear at home, and other lolita-adjacent styles at times too. I always saw being a lifestyler as someone who is just very invested in the fashion generally, wears it, keeps up with magazines or trends, and enjoys stereotypically lolita hobbies to go along with it.

so... the new years wardrobe posting tradition is finally dead?

>>10826776
For me the definition of lifestyler really does depend on how often someone wears the fashion. Aside from that there is also lolita room wear, swim wear, sleep wear, rain coats, boots, etc that make most things possible to do whilst wearing lolita. I understand that people won't be wearing lolita whilst scrubbing their bathroom or doing really filthy chores though. You also have a good point about the fact that some jobs require uniforms. I think if someone wears lolita during any free time they may have (when they don't have to wear a uniform or do housework that will potentially damage or stain their items, or if it's crucial for them to wear something mainstream for example for an interview, wedding or funeral) they can still be a lifestyler. People who wear uniforms often change into them and out of them at work, so they wear their own clothes (whatever style that may be) to and from work.
But if someone spends a lot of time wearing other j-fashion/other styles in a situation they could have worn lolita they're not a lifestyler imo. Don't get me wrong, I am not idolizing being a lifestyler I'm just sharing my own definition/criteria for it. I love lolita but also love bumming around in mainstream room wear and don't want to wear lolita every time I shop for groceries for example. You don't have to want to be a lifestyler in order to be a lolita. I think it's completely fine if it's considered weekend wear for most lolitas.

>>10826778
Give it some time. People will be posting their wardrobes for all of january and some even in february.

>>10826763
This is the kind of thing I wish Connie would discuss during the AtePie streams. I know they’re to promote the brand but I think a lot more people would tune in if she talked about Japanese lolita lifestyles.

>>10826779
>swim wear

Everything a brand produces isn't lolita. It's lolita inspired or from a lolita brand and cute and frilly, but a swimsuit isn't lolita and if you show up to a meet in an AP or BTSSB swimsuit you'll look silly.

>>10826781
Connie is a guy (male) who likes to wear women's wear but still has he/him pronouns (last time I checked).

>>10826784
You wouldn't show up in a regular swim suit for a regular tea party either. You dress for the occasion. Meta sweets collection bathing suit is lolita swim wear.

>>10826788
this. it's always been this way. i never understood why westerners thought that.

>>10826785
Naryt but wow, I didn't know that. He's prettier and better dressed than 80% of female lolitas, lol.

>>10826785
Connie is a biological female

>>10826027

I'd been searching for these
Thank you!

>>10826857
Have you listened to any of the AtPie streams? He clearly isn't.

>>10826857
He has a man voice, male body (completely flat chest, mannish chicken legs, man hands, man nose) and is referred to by he/him pronouns. I don't blame anyone for assuming Connie is male.

If he is female like you say (likely because of how short and narrowly built he is) then he's one of those gender specials who take HRT to transition to male, but still engage in hyper feminine fashion.

>>10826892
>>10826895
I've met her in person, and she female. I saw someone making this claim in a previous thread too; why is someone trying to stir up drama about this?

>>10826923
publications also refer to him as he/him, plus all of the obvious things in stream (voice, body).

>>10826924
This is such a weird hill to die on. Her personal FB links to her mother, who has photos of her from 2009 were she is very clearly female

>>10826928
so I'm going to assume that Connie is FTM then if Connie is female like you say.
There's only two options I see here.
Either Connie is male and prefers to wear women's clothing and pronouns are he/him, or Connie is FTM, has started a medical transition (on HRT, not sure what else Connie has done), and pronouns are he/him.

>>10826929
I'm pretty sure top surgery as well. Connie has less than AA cups.

>>10826929
I don't see any evidence she is anything other than a regular female who identifies as such. She doesn't seem to mention pronouns on her social media and there's a post on her old tumblr where her girlfriend also refers to her as "girlfriend". The only mention of gender I can find from her is her thesis on Takarazuka.
>>10826930
My sister is similarly flat-chested and definitely 100% female, it's not unusual

>>10826935
You didn't notice anything out of the ordinary when watching and hearing Connie on stream?

>>10826938
I don't think it's a coincidence publications call Connie "he/him" with Connie's voice and body. It was pretty obvious for plenty of us from the moment Connie appeared on the stream.
I don't really care enough to continue this (if you don't see what we mean then I don't think we can make you see it), so I'll end it by saying that Connie is not a regular girl/woman.

>>10826935
I'm in a discord with him and he has he/him pronouns listed.

genderspergs please leave. we don't respect stupid pronoun bs here.

>>10826895
She had a mastectomy. Such an attention hound, not surprised she went all in on the fakeboi identity. Ooooh I hate my female body and being identified as a female and my face is so ugly, yet I’ll still dress super feminine and take a million videos of my mouth breathing face uwu

>>10826966
kek

All this discussion and not a shred of evidence either way.

>>10826963
And we don't respect you either

>>10826983
No one needs the respect of fat poorfag whites women kek

>>10826986
Nor a wannabe Nazi kekfag

>>10827003
>anyone who thinks genderspeshuls are illogical is a nazi
this is the kind of twitter retard logic that make normies hate you, no surprises here

>>10827016
as if I need normies praise

>>10827016
it's just some annoying tranny namefagging, ignore them

>>10827003
you can’t say fag it’s offensive. check your privilege fat tranny

>>10826895
>>10826966
I think it’s safe to say that >90% of he/hims in this community are genderspecial women and the handful who are actual men are unmistakeable once you see them next to women, like anaphrodisiacs in this infamous photo. When there’s doubt, it’s probably a woman.

Anyone notice now that CoF is mostly dead, we get a lot less ita posting? It's almost as if all the lolita at hearts went and did something else, when it wasn't slapping them in the face on facebook.

>>10827112
so where have they gone? Discord?

Forgive the minor blogpost;

I started wearing lolita in my teen years, and I carefully invested my spare money into it with glee. When I moved out of my parents house I had a sizeable wardrobe to enjoy. It was easy to go on a practical no-buy when I had to put more money into basic living, rent and so on. The fashion stayed, even without new purchases. Since then I've moved up in life, and I'm starting to build up that safe and comfy lolita cash again...

My problem is that I feel completely out of practice. The wisdom I gained in my active phase is distant and vague. I'm picky when browsing second hand. No new release excites me - with this one exception. I've never bought from Royal Princess Alice before, but this print is the first to spark joy ever since I started looking to buy. But isn't this desperate? Spending just for spending's sake?

I don't know what to do, and some voice at the back of my head is whispering about cotton supremacy, which this dress is not. Where do I find that good and breathable stuff?

>>10827112
Was COF more active before the pandemic than it is now? Are we seeing a dropoff of the stimulus check folks?
I’m a pandemic lolita who’s stayed for 2 years so i’ve got no idea. But i have noticed it being less busy.

>>10827120
Zoomers don't have facebook accounts, they use discord and instagram. Facebook groups will die out once older members quit.

>>10826928
It's probably a seething tranny. She's very obviously female.

>>10826895
You will never be a woman.

>>10827501
>>10827503

Nope, I'm female and to me;
-cis male = a man
-trans woman= a man
-trans man who has changed physical aspects of themselves with HRT= a man.
The only people I think are women are biological females who haven't fucked with their hormones in order to transition. I'm not a gender ideologist/trans ally just because I happen to use the right pronouns in this case. It's not because I respect Connie, it's because he gave up on being a woman. If I (and many others) think someone looks like a mtf, then I'll use he/him even if it turns out it's a female.

>>10807539
The fabric is beautiful
>>10809133
This is cool, I'm surprised the brand is still around desu.
>>10810907
Blythe rules, Pullips drools

>>10827494
I'm a Zoomer and I have a Facebook for college class group projects and school clubs that don't use discord. I wouldn't say I use it though. I don't think non "nerd/weebs/gamers" use discord either though, even in my generation.

Anybody have multiples of the same print or solid? Pics of multiples are satisfying, please drop pics!

>>10828194
I used to have multiple prints in 3 color ways but sold a few of them because it seemed wasteful. Not enough free time and not enough space

>>10828170
I honestly still don’t even know what discord is
>t. boomer

>>10828253
IRC with pictures.

>>10828253
skype for gamers
>>10828330
this is fucking wrong.

Doea anyone know the turnaround time for Wunderwelt shipping?

Why is nobody buying anything on lacemarket these days? I was just scrolling through some listings and there is so much cute stuff for sale for mostly affordable prices and nobody is buying any of it. AP, Baby, IW, almost any brand. Is lolita dead or wtf is happening?

Has anyone received the Mana Pullip yet? I just ordered one from Suruga-ya and I’m excited

>>10828797
I’m in the UK and only ever used LM sparingly anyway until Brexit, and now I hardly use it at all unless there’s a really good deal locally.

The userbase is majority US-based and I’d hazard a guess the weak yen is driving everyone to buy from JP more than ever. A $200~250 AP main piece was a good deal a year ago, not so much now, but people understandably want to recoup costs.

>>10828797
idk where you're seeing these allegedly great deals. all I'm seeing is the usual damaged rags, unshirred asian sizing for the lucky short westerners, and scalpers. the only decently priced deals are from euros where the shipping is as much as the cost of the item aleven though they always cheap out on the packaging and reuse a box that is not rated for international shipping so it arrives beat to shit. that's if they're not a scammer in the first place.

>>10828797
idk where you're seeing these allegedly great deals. all I'm seeing is the usual damaged rags, unshirred asian sizing for the lucky short westerners, and scalpers. the only decently priced deals are from euros where the shipping is as much as the cost of the item even though they always cheap out on the packaging and reuse a box that is not rated for international shipping so it arrives beat to shit. that's if they're not a scammer in the first place

>>10828797
none of the items I'm looking for are on LM, and they haven't popped up on LM in a long time.
Also stuff that is sold for more than original price and is missing pieces or has damage is not a great deal.

Lolita is not dead, quit being ridiculous.

There are several factors that contribute to less people buying from LM. Weak yen, more people buying new or second hand from japan, energy crisis in europe so more people are buying less because they have less money to spend. The people instating no-buys because it's the beginning of the year. Ridiculous shipping prices across continents. Euros and americans who (understandably) don't want to sell to each other. A lot of the items that are listed are damaged or are missing pieces. Scalpers and scammers.

>>10828883
nta but lolita is dying because all jfash is dying due to zoomer homogenization of fashion.

>>10828885
dying doesn't equal dead, and I don't even think lolita is dying. I'll accept that there's a noticeable decline in people actually wearing it if evidence is presented, for reasons that have nothing to do with the energy crisis or any other temporary shit the world is going through.

>>10828890
this sounds like a cope quite honestly. lolita may have been popular outside of japan, but it never had the mainstream adjacent popularity in japan some westerners seem to think it did. it's mostly popular in china and the lolita that's popular in china isn't the same as japanese lolita. i give it 5 years max before most brands close.

>>10828894
As much as I dislike 99,9999% of what taobao brands put out into the world I think it would be wrong to say none of it is actual lolita.
Lolita fashion has never been as affordable, wide spread, inclusive and accessible as it is now for the niche weird fashion that it is. Different styles and brand aesthetics are popular in different eras. That's one of the reasons why certain brands close. Sweet is king and has always been king even when gothic lolita was popular. When AP and btssb close lolita will probably be dying unless equally popular brands replace them. Other styles and brand aesthetics fluctuate in popularity. There are also actual people behind these small brands and they might not want to continue a lolita business into their 50s and might not want to (or might not be able to) pick someone to continue the brand for them.
Every time some brand closed or was about to close or when the GLB stopped publishing people have yelled "lolita is dead/dying" and it has never been true, it's just ridiculous fear mongering. Forgive me if I'm fucking skeptical. I'll believe it when there are noticeably far fewer options to buy from to the point where it's difficult to shop.

>>10828899
>affordable, wide spread, inclusive and accessible
that's an interesting spin on 'cheap, shitty fast fashion'

>>10828919
affordable; second hand or taobao. As much as I do not like the styles that taobao brands typically produce it's not necessarily all cheap shitty fast fashion. There are brands that fall on the mass production end of the scale. There are also small brands do that small production runs. And just because we think the price is low doesn't mean it's low in the context of the country it's being made in. You could buy a full meal for 1 or 2$ there. You could get decently constructed cotton pieces for less than it costs to buy cotton pieces from japanese brands for that same reason. Quality of taobao brands varies as well. I like to complain and laugh about shitty taobao dresses just as much as anyone else here but it's ignorant to think that's the only option on taobao. It would not surprise me most newer lolitas don't even know that because we focus only on the ridiculously crappy stuff. Also with the downfall of quality of AP most midtier taobao isn't any worse.

wide spread; more stores/brands available to choose from both within and outside of japan. If you pay attention to what's going on in the japanese lolita sphere you will notice that new brands and sub brands occasionally pop up.

inclusive; more brands with size options, both within and outside of japan. I don't need to explain this.

accessible; easier to order from. In the past you had to get a shopping service to order from certain japanese brands.

Your joke was funny but it's also not accurate.

>>10811867
everything about this looks so cheap. The print is chaotic and unintentional, and the bodice fit is enraging. If it doesn't look good on a literal model... I shudder at the thought of future ita threads.

>>10828934
People who end up in the ita threads don't care about JetJ.

>>10812022
crop for anon, but pics or it didn't happen.

I've owned, made and modified at least a handful of cage skirts in my years of lolita, but they've all looked and moved "off"

>>10811953
it's really not that deep. Place the waistband around the agitator so that it doesn't get crumpled or caught and wash on delicate. Hang dry inside out. You're welcome anon.

>>10815344
KEK. Enjoy wasting your money to potentially lose or damage your items anyways.Anything can be cleaned at home if you have a washer, a bucket and a hand steamer. 99% of items can just be tossed in the wash on cold-delicate. I've been in this fashion for years, and I own dresses almost as old as me in pristine condition. I promise you washing your clothes will not destroy them.

Do a basic google search on fabric washing, there is no special fabric out there for lolita. Just some loose dye jobs and delicate materials.

>>10815683
this is what I do, hang like pants to dry.

>>10815700
>>10815765
but why bother spending even more on cleaning when several anons are telling you cleaning at home is effective and easy?

>>10826541
This. I've heard countless stories like this.

>>10826684
Stop talking about shit you don't know about. Lifestyle lolitas have existed in japan as long as lolita. Japanese culture doesn't allow for you to wear it in all situations though, so many lifestylers in japan will carry a lolita accessory like a phone or passport case to school or work unless they're a lolita shop girl. Just off the top of my head I'm thinking of the room tours in GLB back in the early 2000s there were several lifestyle lolitas featured with fully coorded rooms!! We got the idea from them, in those days western lolitas couldn't even get enough brand to pull together a decent coord.

>>10826763
> most japanese lolitas are not lifestylers, they don't wear it every day.
I think most lolitas in general are not lifestylers. I touched on this in another reply, but japanese culture in particular doesn't play as fast and loose with social norms, so unless you're NEET and somehow getting your bills paid you couldn't pull off wearing lolita daily. Most japanese people need to conform when they go out to jobs, school, appointments, or to family gatherings depending on the family's acceptance of the fashion.

>>10826776
Misako is a great example of a prominent japanese lifestyler, and she's been in the game since like 2002?? I'd need to check that. I agree that the term is pretty abstract and means different things to different people. When I hear the term I think, wears it often, incorporates it constantly. I'm always on my comm's discord, or browsing releases on twitter, chatting with anons here. and I wear lolita most days, I would still consider myself a lifestyler despite not committing daily anymore.

>>10828943
Nayrt but can you post those rooms? Would love to see it

>>10828936
Ehhh I've seen my fair share of classic itas

>>10828945
look at the lolita history website, the scans are there.

>>10828945
dump incoming, I can't remember which magazines I saw these in. It might not have been GLB, I used to buy a few japanese magazines at border's. Maki and Misako seem to be most prevalent, but taking pictures of everything was rarer then, I can hardly find anything outside of these magazine scans. I have to assume other lolitas in japan were doing this too. There were also other j-fashion themed rooms in the section.

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>>10828965
Here's two unkown lolita rooms I found.

>>10828966
These seem to be from 2008-2010 roughly.

>>10828953
If anyone knows which magazine these were from I'd love to do some digging, but there are way too many to search blindly.

>>10828969
I was recently searching through my collection and I think that the room pictures are probably from;
-glb
-glb specials (boudoir, extra 1, extra 2, ensemble)
-kera maniax.

I'm sorry I don't have any issue numbers and page numbers.

>>10828956
Youre the best anon, ty

>>10828967
found this one in GLB 35 (2009) + a bonus lolita room

>>10828973
ty anon!

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>>10828967
These two girls were well known bloggers back in the day, the first is Unuu and the second is one of the “AP clones” girls, I think her name is Sae. They’re in a lot of GLB snaps.

>>10828979
I thought she was too! The pic is for ants though.

>>10809160
Gemma is ugly as fuck. The only way this picture could be worse if she was showing her snaggle teeth.

Are brand pleather bags worth it? Specifially looking at AP's older bags, but baby/meta/IW are fine too. I worry about the pleather immediately peeling and prices are so high at the moment I don't want to spend 50+ dollars secondhand (or 200+ firsthand) for a bag that will peel right away or within only a few uses. Haven't had a brand bag in years.

>>10829043
I do not have experience with new brand bags, but I bought Meta bag from their website in 2016 and it hold up pretty well the first couple of years, I even used it as my everyday bag. But after several years it started peeling really bad, to the point of it becoming unusable.

I would say that brand bags are not worth it. Now I am stuck with using brand fabric tote bags, because I do not want to buy replicas and normie bags are too plain.

>>10829043
I have a few that started peeling (recent IW) and some that have held up (older AP). Never worth the gamble to buy the original price for though, I recommend getting them second hand in good condition.

>>10829080
I'm considering making some of those more structured fabric bags in the otome no sewing books instead of hunting the second hand market for more brand bags in decent condition.

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>>10829088
Stop namefagging

>>10829043
Angelic Pretty's old pleather bags from the 2000s-early 2010s uses a different type of hard pleather that doesn't peel. Enamel bags don't peel either.

>>10829089
no

>>10829094
Why do you call yourself the seam-stress?

>>10829114
probably because she/he is cringy. as are all namefags who serve no purpose.

>>10809962
>I think only gay people should be allowed to wear lolita :/
TRUE!

>>10817054
we don't claim them

>>10829031
and she’s annoying as shit. she was at the ap tea party screeching and yelling about nonsense and begging for everyone to follow her youtube

>>10809962
It's Nat. Would bet this new namefag >>10829094 is too. Cringe indeed.

>>10829118
Perhaps it's because she's a big fat Americunt who stresses the seams on all her dresses?

>>10827132
Don't buy this cheap ugly dress anon. Take our time getting back into the fashion. It will pay off.

>>10829043
There are two types of pleather they use. Soft pleather covered fabric on some, whereas some of their others seem to be vinyl, or a more sturdy pu.

this bag peels pretty easily, I've had it in most colors. It always starts on the handle.
https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-cotton-candy-shop-special-set

This one is in near perfect condition. https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-toy-parade-round-bag

Outsider here, is there anything like Military Lolita but with a pinch of futuristic or cyberpunk look?

>>10829377
there is the extremely rare "cyber lolita" which a lot of people claim isn't even lolita.
https://lolitafashion.fandom.com/wiki/Cyber_Lolita

I cannot confirm nor deny the validity of cyber lolita.

So how do I leave lolita if nothing gets bought nowadays on the second hand market?

>>10830283
Sell it cheaper

>>10830283
reduce your prices or wait.

Can anyone recommend me a nice taobao brand for cotton blouses? I only find polyester ones and I don't like it. Yes, I know brand is better and everything, but I wanted something for daily wear that I wouldn't feel guilty if damaged.