/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

lets get some questions going

what's your most worn main piece?
what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
raschel vs cotton lace?
how long have you been wearing old schoo?

>>10795382
Where are all the posters at? I'll start and dump some images afterwards

>what's your most worn main piece?
Picrel, since I wear it both as an OP and a coat. It's so sturdy and comfy!
>what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
Definitely the sizing. Japanese women used to be more petite and brands less size-inclusive, so you often see 58cm waist skirts and 78cm bust OPs that would only fit a small percentage of short and slender women. Also, how popular it's gotten in recent years - the old school boom definitely affected the prices. On the other hand, there's more fresh content, new old school inspired releases, and older pieces circulating on the second hand market.
>raschel vs cotton lace?
That's like asking who my favorite child is. I love both, but I'll say cotton just because I still can't get over how Meta's cross raschel lace feels against the skin. Protip - avoid it like the plague if you have sensory issues.
>how long have you been wearing old school?
Going on 5 years now, I've never worn anything outside of old school.

What happened to this girl, Caroline, from the Oregon community? She posted a lot on EGL livejournal back around 2007. She was one of the original "fatty-chan"s and I have been curious what happened to her after Livejournal.

>>10796897
the good old days when this was considered abnormal. now 200 lb whales are running amok and everyone just accepts it

>>10795382
>what's your most worn main piece?
A meta gobelin JSK
>what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
Also have to say echo another anon in saying sizing. I'm already underweight and very slim, yet I still struggle to fit into some of my garments comfortably. I would probably have to be downright skeletal to achieve a comfortable fit. At first I was surprised this sizing was ever common, especially because the girls look quite average-sized in old-school snaps. I realize now that even a couple inches height difference plays a huge role in fit.
>raschel vs cotton lace?
It really just depends on how it's used.
>how long have you been wearing old school?
Pretty much since I started wearing lolita. It took me a while to warm up to the aesthetic, but now it's my absolute favorite. So much of the appeal hinges on quality, which in lacking in too many brands these days. A bonus is that it's also generally most far-removed style from the comprehension of normies and tik-tok itas.

Presenting irrefutable proof that lolitas are instinctively drawn to trees. Treelitas are real.

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>>10796936
Presentation over, hopefully this was an eye-opening experience for some.
I'll be back with more oddly specific image dumps, if someone does enjoy this. I'd also like to request some coords with maxi/tea length skirts.

>>10796938
this makes it look like trees are recharging stations for old school lolitas.

>>10796935
that shiro coord on a dirty tree branch? i'd be worried about walking around with a big dirty patch on my ass for the rest of the day

Anyone buy this skirt (or others) from MAM, or have any better pictures of it? How's the quality compared to oldschool BABY or Meta?

>>10796977
she's probably sitting on a cloth. it's common to do that when doing outdoor fashion shoots.

>>10795382
My least favorite aspect of old school is everyone getting into it lol
This is a "who's gonna grab the oldest piece ?" battle

>>10795382
>what's your most worn main piece?
Sailor OP by meta, not because it's my favorite but because it's by far the easiest and most comfortable to wear (especially in weather like this)
>what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
Thirding sizing and how hard it can be to find lately! Seems like due to the popularity a lot of it almost always gets snatched up, I have pretty good luck getting old school innocent world though (which tends to have a wider range in terms of size anyway)
raschel vs cotton lace?
Both are nice but I like cotton lace best!
>how long have you been wearing old school?
Shortly after I got into lolita (started with moitie pieces), so around 2 years now?

>>10796989
Dropped pic

>>10795382

>what's your most worn main piece?
karami jsk, it's perfect for the hot weather where I live and so comfy. Biscuit print sleeveless OP is a close second
>what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
definitely how brutal the secondhand market is, I specifically want that one japanese scalper who posts everything on fril marked up to go away
>raschel vs cotton lace?
Cotton lace 100%
>how long have you been wearing old school?
only about a year! It's the only lolita syle I've ever worn too

Why did Demonia do this to us? I just want to buy a replacement for my bubble toe clown shoes

>>10797384
What happened to your old pair nonny? Is it anything fixable?

>>10796984
I had this skirt in black x white and wasnt a fan. It's not bad quality, but it has too new of a feel to work for old school imo.

>>10797387
I've worn them almost daily for about 3 years. Both the straps and the sole kept detaching, and I kept taking them to a cobbler, but I think they're pretty much unsalvageable after so many unsuccessful repairs. I really hate that the new Demonias look so generic

>>10797397
I’ve had the exact same problem as you where the strap keeps snapping and I’ve had it fixed so many times it’s no longer fixable. I’m so sad about the redesign, I won’t be buying the new pair. Doesn't demonia understand that the reason people liked Dolly 01 Ed the stupid clown toe?

>>10797441
*is, not sure why it autocorrected to Ed

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>>10797397
which ones in particular are you looking for? aliexpress has some similar ones(that i think are knockoffs even)

>>10797441
Oh yeah, I've heard that many people have this exact problem with a lot of their shoes. It really sucks that they're not great quality, because pre-redesign there used to be nothing like it left on the market. It really made me happy to see that they still carried the exact same designs they produced in the 90s. I even considered emailing them to say how much we love their old shoes

>>10797481
I have the dollys. I've seen the knockoffs on Taobao, but sadly they don't come in my bigfoot size (US 9) and I still prefer the og design for some reason

Since that large imgur archive is kill and most old school specific blogs are also either dead or host a very small selection of images, I've been thinking of sharing my archive with others somewhere. Would anyone be interested in that? What would be the best platform for me to use? Imgur, Flickr, Tumblr, Pinterest, or something else entirely?

>>10797543
I would be interested nonny! I recommend imgur to dump them :)

>>10797543
Please... Pinterest would probably be good

>>10797632
Pinterest is scum, its why we lost a lot of sources for things. Anything but that.

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>>10797632
nonnies, out of curiosity, do you believe a website created just for dumping, tagging, and filtering EGL images would be successful?

>>10797634
What's wrong with Pinterest? Genuinely wondering, because I've been using it for a while and had no issues so far

>>10795308
what video is this from? i remember watching it years ago and idk how to find it again.

>>10797653
It's from this TV report. The original video got removed for copyrighted music many years after it was uploaded, so I reuploaded a copy I had saved

https://youtu.be/SuG9z-bVfxg

>>10797649
You can't properly search for things on pinterest. Whenever I search for something I get either nothing but crap, the same stuff all over again, or it starts off with good results and then it's nothing but onrelated results. It's designed that way, so it keeps you endlessly scrolling in the hopes, that you actually find what you are searching for. The only good thing about pinterest is the album function. But let's say anon has a huge archive with over 1000 images, it will be a pain to scroll through everything. And you'll have to have the link for that album and anon might private it some day, or some day pinterest drops some stupid url or security changes a la photobucket, where all those good old albums become inaccessible and will be lost forever. Tumblr is the same shit like pinterest to keep you addicted to scrolling and making it almost impossible to search for older content

Flickr would be a slighly safer choice as of now, because if you type in a keyword, you get exactly those results and it would be easier to refind a lost album. But flickr is also outdated as and we don't know about changes in the future

The best option imo would be to create a dropbox link, where everyone who is interested, can just download it. If it gets taken down some day enough copies exist, and someone else can just reupload it.

>>10797707
except on pinterest you can save any image to your own album and nothing will happen if it's deleted from the original. there's tons of images on pinterest like old magazine scans that have deleted tumblrs that are still there.

>>10797707
The problem with dropbox would be their upload limit, I imagine the archive would become stunted at some point.

>>10797694
You're the best, anon!

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>>10797632
Thanks for your input, anons! I forgot to mention that my image archive is in the tens of thousands, so I was leaning towards something like Flickr or Pinterest, where you could separate them into albums by theme/colorway for ease of viewing.

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>>10797707
It sucks that Pinterest didn't work out for you, I've been using it as a personal archive for a while myself and found it quite useful! Although, I never use the search function and just rely on my homepage suggestions, which honestly have been spot on for me. I don't ever plan on privating or deleting my profile, however I have had a few scares with their new harmful pin detection system. All of mine have been reinstated after submitting an appeal so far, but it's still worrying. I do plan on uploading everything as a zip file and linking it here, but would also like to curate the collection somewhere online.

>>10798168
Samefriend, forgot to mention that it's always a good idea to familiarize yourself with a program like JDownloader and back up everything you value on the internet just in case. I know we've all been told that whatever you put online stays there forever, but sadly that's not the case. Anon brought up a good point about websites shutting down or mass-deleting their content (still mourning the death of Yahoo blogs and Flash), so it's always good to try and preserve as much of the data as you can while it's still available.

>>10798168
Samefriend, forgot to mention that it's always a good idea to familiarize yourself with a program like JDownloader and back up everything you value on the internet just in case. I know we've all been told that whatever you put online stays there forever, but sadly that's not the case.
Anon brought up a good point about websites shutting down or mass-deleting their content (still mourning the death of Yahoo blogs and Flash), so it's always good to try and preserve as much of the data as you can while it's still available. I'll do my part in keeping my image archive alive, regardless of where I decide to post it.

>>10798192
this isn't old school

http://web.archive.org/web/20021029123144/http://www.h2.dion.ne.jp/~dokuzetu/top-page/ma-metamorphose/about-lolita-1-english.htm

>>10798193
yes it is

>>10798206
are you blind or just a retarded newfag

>>10797543
personally I like to use google drive/photos for my stuff... and I can organize pretty decently on it.

>>10798208
old school is a style not an era.

>>10798208
i'm not even the anon who posted it but you're a retard. old school is a style. this jsk was released with the OP, which was a re-release from that era. the only thing i wouldn't exactly call old-school is that chiffon blouse, but paired with the rest of the look, we get what the style is supposed to be

>>10798222
trips of truth. old school is a style based on the look of an era of the fashion. it's not like vintage or retro, where it has to come from that time period or something.

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>>10798222
Something can be old school in terms of when it was released or it can be old school in the way the coord is styled. This is a 2020 release styled in a modern way so it fits neither requirement.

>>10798227
it's styled with plain white socks and RHS. you think this whole coord isn't old school because of a single chiffon blouse? kek what a retard

>>10798228
They aren't RHS you fucking retard, they're Baby's Victoire shoes which weren't even released until like 2010.

>>10798223
God your lack of basic fashion knowledge is painful.

>>10798229
The Victoire shoes are literally just (yet another) RHS redesign. Are you being purposefully obtuse or are you some kind of style-blind autist

>>10798251
Kek that's like saying tea parties are old school because they're just another mary jane redesign. I just know your coords are shit if you're this oblivious to detail, no different than the girls who pile on tacky Taobao garbage and claim it's "OTT sweet" just because it's all in pastel colorways.

>>10798253
weird it's almost like tea parties add a giant bow, front and center in a design that wasn't present before, while Victoire shoes just add in a few straps to a shoe design that already came in multiple different designs. weird how those two things are not the same thing at all. almost like both strappy shoes and RHS in different designs were present in old school fashion or something

>>10798255
Shoes with giant bows existed during that time period too dumbass.

>>10798192
if the blouse was cotton with cotton lace (like btssb's back pintuck blouse or a more extravagant cotton blouse), and there were UTKs with cotton lace (like btssb's ribbon knee socks, any torchon/cluny lace would do) I would consider this old school.

The chiffon really does ruin it for me. The fact that there is no lace on the socks visible also makes it seem like they're just plain white tights, which is too boring imo.
I understand why people say this (the coord) isn't old school.

>>10798260
You can see the top of the socks, they're not tights. But I agree the blouse ruins it

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>>10798246
kys back to tiktok

>>10798283
>Implying tiktokers aren't the ones who claim old school is only a style and not an era to defend their ugly devil inspired and XXXL indie monstrosities
larp harder

>>10798223
To elaborate on what I was saying here >>10798246

>Vintage: A piece from a specific time period 20 years or older
>Retro: A modern piece or outfit imitating a period 20 years or older and not necessarily accurate to the period it's imitating

If you're going to use them as a key point of your argument you might want to know what you're talking about

>>10798324
Actually no, tiktok itas are the retards reeing about shit like proto lolita and thinking VW is essential to old school. Old school is a styling, not a style itself, nor a time period. It's simply based on the look of a time period, but not necessarily from then.

>>10798394
>implying early lolita that's separate from the fashion's current canons and rules doesn't exist
>implying VW hasn't been and still isn't a huge part of lolita culture in Japan

>>10798394
Sorry you can't afford VW but no one itt even said their RHS were the only ones acceptable in old school, just that those particular Baby shoes are far too modern looking to fit the style.

I'm so tired of seeing all those old school cookie cutters. Any old schoolers who aren't boring?

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>>10798408
Can you read?

>>10798415
Is this bait? Any non-cookie cutter old schoolers would get roasted on here, so I'm not gonna post my favorites

>>10798415
No because retards like the ones you're seeing in this thread think old school = any solid main piece with white lace.
>>10798421
Can you?

>>10798430
I am not talking about anons ITT I'm referring to annoying zoomers. Which, I guess ARE ITT after all. VW is NOT integral to old school. It may be better, but zoomers acting like it's literally a requirement need to fuck off period.

Any chance someone's been keeping track of Maid Lane Revue stuff that's gone up for sale over the years?

>>10798873
I have some of their items saved

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Would you be interested in making an imgur or flickr album of it?

Why do you wear old school? Do you genuinely like it or do you just want to follow the trend?

>>10799183
is old school even particularly on trend anymore? i feel like it peaked in popularity in like 2018-19

>>10799183
I genuinely don't like modern lolita aside from gothic, and even then only on others. As soon as I discovered what old school was (shortly after discovering the fashion itself), I decided I'm going to wear it and I never stopped. If anything, I hate that it became popular, because it drove up the prices

>>10799183
I haven't liked anything new from brands since, like, 2014. Plus the quality of a lot of old school is unmatched in comparison to modern.

>>10799183
it's the only substyle that actually reads as lolita to me anymore, everything else is a bastardization.

>>10799183
It looks way more "vintage doll-like" to me, which I find absolutely precious. Visually, its clean but rich in design and texture. Meanwhile, a lot of new school is the opposite, a pretty print on a minimally designed poofy sack (or worse, polyester) and makes you look like a child instead of a doll.

>>10799183
There's really nothing exciting or interesting about modern lolita

>>10799183
1: nostalgia; I first saw lolita fashion during the old school era and started wearing it back then,

2; the way it makes me feel; after it ended brands didn't commonly make anything that I felt I wanted to have anymore.
Modern lolita just doesn't make me feel the same, I can recognize it's cute but not cute enough to want to buy and wear.

3;modern lolita sometimes doesn't even register as lolita to me; I also agree with that other poster that a lot of modern lolita items just feel like a bastardization.

4; old school is more wearable and more of a street style. Lots of modern lolita seems more costumey to me, despite the fact that old school sometimes also has aprons and stuff. The materials, comfort, construction etc of old school is just more suitable for everyday wear.

>>10799247
Pretty much this. Plus it goes over better with normies for day to day wear.

>>10799251
agreed. With my old school stuff, whether it's pink or black, I can just say "it's a version of gothic/pastel goth" and normies with no alt fashion knowledge will accept that.
I never get accused of being an age player and I haven't encountered anyone who thought what I was wearing had something to do with a fetish or a kink as long as I didn't mention the word "lolita".

>>10797637
Would unfortunately be a copyright nightmare with lots of drama from people being posted without their permission.

Does anyone know what happened to Nana Rapeblossom?

>>10797637
It'd be cool if there was a database you could rife through for coords with certain pieces or even stuff like red main piece + white socks. I made something like that for my own coords but it'd be kind of iffy like >>10799280 said to use people's photos without permission.

If it was something people could willingly contribute their own coords to it would be cool, but then it would run into the issue of people submitting inaccurate entries or coords that suck. Perhaps it could have a vetting system for "trusted contributors", or some sort of rating system that puts low rated entries at the bottom.

Are there any replicas of the An-Ten-Na RHS?

>>10799658
I wish there were, I was only able to find similarly bubble-toed platforms from Antaina in my years of searching

>>10799183
It gives me so much warm nostalgia for my baby weeb days, as well as that fleeting, melancholy nostalgia for place I've never been, like vaporwave.

>>10799183
During the tumblr days, I really fell for the mori-kei type of aesthetic first. When I saw the thick cotton lace, vintage florals and slight frumpiness of oldschool classic, it just triggered that part of my brain.

Similarly, I really like military and uniform inspired stuff in more modern lolita, because it reminds me of some cute anime I used to watch when I was a teen.

Lolita just creates much more flattering and polished versions of these aesthetics.

Is this oldschool enough?
>inb4 everything older than 5 years ago is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayoRpheqjMI

>>10797384
Because e-thots are bigger market than grownups cosplaying little girls

>>10799463
The last time I heard of her was a long time ago (like 7 years ago or something) and apparently she's just living her life normally

Are there any dupes/similar designs for the demonia dollies from antaina? I'm trying to browse their tb page but it keeps crashing in my browser. I like the demonia's design but their quality is always underwhelming.

>>10798394
this 100%

newbies to lolita are so fucking retarded, they try to define lolita shit without even understanding basic crap.

"old school" wasn't a sub-style before and isn't now.

Each one of these brands had their own styles during those time periods, it doesn't just go blanketly into one concept. The dumb thing about all this is in harajuku they weren't just copying each other every day, these people were snapped for their own creative takes on the fashion.

tl;dr: gen z, stop being un-creative newfags

>>10795382
>what's your most worn main piece?
a shirley temple jsk because it's comfy & durable & more casual than the rest of my wardrobe
>what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
the sizing and lengths makes me suicidal because i'm 5'10
>raschel vs cotton lace?
cotton has my heart, i luv making my own crochet lace for diy projects too
>how long have you been wearing old schoo?
bought my first lolita piece in 2019, jumped ship to oldschool not long after in 2020 when i realized how shit polyester quality is

>>10801049
Not from Antaina, but there are offbrand ones available. Can't comment on their quality, so the Demonia ones may or may not be better.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=526883075070

Also, why are you using your browser? The app is the only way to make taobao work properly anymore

>>10801057
>these people were snapped for their own creative takes on the fashion
Lol, people would line up for Kera's snap booth in Marui One and purposefully go to locations where magazine photographers were known to hang out in order to get featured. The photogs themselves were hardly doing any scouting or carefully choosing the most creative fashion wearers out there.

>>10801181
the only magazine that I've actually seen proof of that preferred to showcase only creative takes on lolita was Fruits, as the person picking the pictures disliked cookie cutter lolita and called it boring.

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>>10801181
people would also copy what was popular to get into the magazines. anon sounds like she hasn't seen the bitchy 2ch translations.

haven’t been around in a while but how are you all finding the rich kids from tiktok hoarding a lot of old school pieces? I see hauls almost every week of another teen using dads credit card and speaking to some vkei guys at a con recently, I’m saddened to hear how much it’s affected the once very small and dedicated old school comm.

Has anyone managed to dig up old school unknown blogs as well? I always enjoyed looking through the photoshoots, the last I saw was a Japanese lolita posting a photoshoot in a church around 2000? if that rings a bell, there was 3 at the shoot!

>>10795308
completely reasonable to not want to answer, but where else should i be looking for old school pieces? i check the obvious places (closetchild, wunderwelt, lace market) and tokyo alice, fril (rakuma), and yahoo auctions jp. feels like you just have to be very lucky (at least in my time zone - i guess ymmv).

>>10801204
>rich kids from tiktok hoarding a lot of old school pieces
I don't have tiktok and refuse to get into it, is this really a thing? Do they hoard valuable pieces and never wear them, or just buy up whatever old brand they can get their hands on?
>photoshoot in a church
Could it have been dai-chan? He posted this set of images taken at a church

>>10801204
This doesn't sound like a thing, we can all see sold listings on lacemarket and Japanese sites and the prices haven't been "rich kid" insane. I also recognize a lot of the people buying and selling the stuff and they aren't random rich kids

Nostalgia hit me hard today, and now I need to know - are there any of those old lolita kisekae dress up games still available to play?

>>10799231
Pretty printed poof sack. That’s really perfect.

>>10799183
Also never stopped. Not to hate on more modern lolita styles, because I enjoy looking at them, but it evolved in a direction I’m just not personally a fan of wanting to wear for myself. So I’ll keep collecting and wearing the older styles.

>>10802824
go on archive.org and search for "Kisekae doll - program and collection of dolls"
This doll is in that collection and is available for download

>>10801049
I hate these clown ass shoes

Is there any information about the brand called Classic Lolita that was featured in GLB and sold in Atepie stores?

>>10801049
juicepark’s uniform mary janes are my favorite dupe. they’re similar in style and sturdy for the price. juicepark also carries a lot of other loliable shoe styles if you want to check them out.

https://m.tb.cn/h.UcvOdKD?tk=X5Pr2wRS9Jl

>>10806792
It appears this brand was also sold at Kera shops.

>what's your most worn main piece?
A black tiered velveteen skirt from Meta
>what's your least favorite aspect of old school?
When the fuck did it become so popular? Long gone the days when anything black x white was considered ita. Hate that nothing sells for ¥500 anymore.
>raschel vs cotton lace?
meta raschel lacemonsters all the way
>how long have you been wearing old school
my first lolita pieces were "old school" style, but I didn't start properly hoarding it until around 2015

Random brag, found one of my old GLBs was signed the other day. I assume its Manas signature? I've had it for years and only noticed it recently... shame on myself for missing it..

>>10806972
This. I'm so sad that most oldschool things now aren't cheap on mercari and fril.

>>10806792
There's a shitty archive of their old website and their items sometimes pop up for sale

>>10806972
Old school has seen a boom for the past 3 years, where have you been

Does anyone have the old JAV codes for anything featuring oldschool? I used to have around two dozen links saved but lost them, I only remember they weren't tagged properly and were really hard to find. I think recent purges mean that many of them are lost to time.. most were from the early/mid 2000s and uploaded over 10 years ago at various sites but I'm hoping that maybe someone kept an archive.

>>10807430
I am meaning that rhetorically, it was ita and then suddenly it wasn't. Everyone now loves old school and everything that was $20 is now $200, yes I am salty about it.

>>10807437
I think there was quite a long time between it being ita and then popular. I feel like black x white was ita in LiveJournal/pre-2010 days, then it was just unpopular because there was the era of OTT classic, then sweet-classic with fawn makeup, then nu-gothic revival, and also the huge rise of new-money Chinese lolitas significantly influencing what brands were successful. Then oldschool boomed just prior to 2008-12 era sweet taking off again.

>>10810607
It was ita for longer than pre-2010. Anytime people try to do timelines on this board, it just makes me think they are roleplaying as an oldfag. I feel like half of you are echoing other people's experience without having it first hand.

>>10810607
general newfags teaching newfags. gb2mentoring

post cooler weather coords

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I saw someone on youtube do a wardrobe tour and she showed a beautiful corduroy AP piece with a floral gobelin print with blue in it and I would KILL for that dress, though I’ll probably never own it. Sometimes I get sad about that.

>>10810607
Mmm I feel like 2012, it was very much still ita to wear anything black and white or a headdress. All I care is, somewhere along this timeline my $20 dresses stopped being $20.

Anyways, nabbed this on Mercari the other day. Its an old Meta SK (old label) but can't find a match on Lolibrary. It feels very "handmade" if that makes sense?

>>10810666
I've seen other patterns/colors of skirt with that same lace placement, one of them shows up in FRUiTS 15 so it might be from around '98

Saw this derpy bootleg Meta bear on Taobao, got a chuckle out of me

I'm old

>>10812307
Wait... but if you took the stitching out of his face it might not be completely hideous. Plenty of people are sporting the knock off lalucie bags

>>10813215
the la luice bags aren't knockoffs retard

>>10813221
>Referring to dreamypebble

>>10806972
>When the fuck did it become so popular?
It started 2015 and then slowly derailed kek.

>>10801230
There's literally one on tiktok who started wearing it 2 years ago and has a video where she says her parents are loaded and buy her all her brand lol, it's probably who OP is talking about.

>>10813459
@?

>>10810607
somewhat irrelevant, but I think all of these added decently and wouldn’t be considered ita aside from the hideous fawn makeup

>>10813466
*aged

>>10813464
nayrt but @gothurnus. she gets most of her pieces off xianyu so she’s not really stripping the market. there’s shitloads of $400-$600 old school desirable main pieces if you’re either a wealthy chinese woman or an abc with daddy’s money to fork over for them kek.

>>10813508
chinese women all havw daddy's money too, anon. kek.

>>10811829
Thanks Anon! I did see a similar one on Lolibrary but the lace was a bit further apart, the blue SK here looks much more similar.

>>10813458
Not derailed enough that everything old sells for pennies again.

>>10813527
or their boyfriend’s or their husband’s, which is why i made the distinction. many chinese socialites marry into wealth. some work in tech themselves or are influencers.

>>10813532
lolitas don't have husbands

>>10813544
>lolitas don't have husbands
and they never fart too

reviving, not the highest quality but just geniune "girls having fun"

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it hurts but I want to see more

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i feel like this one barely qualifies but.. somebody needs to see it

>>10816720
this is pure awkward joy

>>10816723
every single one of them is wearing clunky shoes, this is the era I got into it too, so nostalgic. The one on the right is wearing that black and white lacemonster, it's so recognizable you don't even need to see the whole thing :)

>>10816725
yeah, I could have done without the guy climbing the tree. But thanks for the rest!

>>10816726
i think it's a girl, just a very. unfortunate looking girl, there's a whole set she gives tunamelt vibes

>>10816727
lol, guess we'll never know.

Cute GIFs from 2004

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thanks nonny! these made me smile

Just going to leave this here for anyone who needs a laugh
https://youtu.be/BoPW5yFUHoo

>>10816722
This makes me so nostalgic for being a teenager with no money to do things so you'd just hang around with your friends outside

>>10819428
Did they actually use Limp Bizkit in a fashion show in 2011, or was that edited in by whoever posted the video?

>>10799196
It did. There's a few gatekeeper autists that think anyone besides them wearing old school is a trend hopper kek.

>>10801203
people always mention these, but I never see them linked or see and caps. Sauce?

I'm curious where people draw the line for old school.

In my opinion, it "ended" when elaborate border prints started to outweigh old school style releases. I think picrel (2006) was the beginning of the end. Baby released their little red riding hood border print this year too. I still consider these more intricate border prints old school, but in the years following they evolved so much. Almost every other release on this year from AP (and baby too) was a solid fabric, allover print that anyone could buy (plaid or gobelin) or embroidery/applique releases.

In 2007 we got Toy Parade, Rose Toilette and Country of Sweets. All elaborate border prints more akin to releases we'd expect to see today. AP was still making a lot of old school style JSKs that year, in fact it was mostly that style still.

In 2008 these elaborate prints, and mesh embroidery lace releases outweighed classic design elements. However there were a few dresses released that year that still share that same old school styling. Baby and Aatp have continued to release old school style JSKs here and there forever. The styling never left us or died out completely, but it was largely considered ita until 2018.

>>10819680
I like your theory, I agree completely

>>10819680
>Baby and Aatp have continued to release old school style JSKs here and there forever. The styling never left us or died out completely, but it was largely considered ita until 2018.
i completely disagree with this part. it's not specific elements that are ita, but them together. there are still things in old school that are ita for old school that have never existed in modern designs (think when zoomers call shit proto lolita and it's just fugly y2k shit and a jsk) and so some elements of old school are ita compared to 2010s style. hell, you can even argue some things from 2010s is ita now even though the style isn't what most of us like. many of us often forget that despite lolita being an alt fashion, it still changes with the times and evolves based around both other alt fashions and trends in general. but i feel like there will always permanently be elements in lolita that were from old school.

>>10819713
Honestly i think ita and non-ita old school comes down to styling and quality. What was considered ita old school back in the day was black and white mostly because some indie brands would try to recreate style elements, but the lace was so terrible it looked like hot garbage. Black and white became ita by association. Also, the details of these older dresses didn't come out as well on older photos so there was a misinterpretation by some westerners as to what it really looked like up close. Like, no one thinks Momoko looks ita.

Old indie brands that were ita were like, Momo's or Rakuen

>>10819716
Ok i want to expand on myself here. I think the lack of popularity of classic (older) styles was due to people thinking they were boring and would be around forever, or that new releases would be better. I honestly think that due to the designs becoming a bit cheaper there's a group of people who glom onto the older styles, because they seem less common and more exclusive as well as reliably well made. It's a really interesting time in the fashion.

>>10819716
yes true! quality has a lot to do with it.

Kuniko Kato is rereleasing (updating?) the Meta Organdy Babydoll OP.

>>10819930
I wish I liked this, or any of Kato's Meta design reimaginings. It would be nice to support her, but Physical Drop stuff just doesn't do it for me. It's like downgraded Meta imo

>>10820053
This. Most of her work looks like cheap childrens bedsheets cobbled into a dress. I can’t bring myself to buy any Physical Drop releases.

>>10820053
I would be all over it if she didn't change the lace and collar. Without the lace it looks more jellyfish than antique doll.

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I think her more simple dresses look nice I wish she'd do more black and white designs because I'm not a huge fan of her prints. This rerelease/update is over the top though, almost hits the mark but just barely too far off.

>>10820108
You just hit the nail on the head. I couldn't figure out why I didn't like this but like the original and it's the lack of lace.

It frustrates me so much when brand do a "rerelease" and it's updated. I like the original, I don't want an update

>>10820162
The skirt is also much longer than on the original, like 20 cms about. As a tall chan, the original would have made me look like a gigantic baby so no dice anyway, but the exaggerated silly proportions of super short skirt + flouncy long bloomers was so iconic. This one would just be a normal length lolita dress on me.

This is how you have fun in frills

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Sachi and Yuka looking on in shock

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Oh me oh my.

How does everyone feel about Dreamy Pebble copying La Luice?

>>10821537
Even though it's not an exact replica, I think it's shitty. La Luice isn't a dead brand with unattainable items - they still produce their rabbit bags, so it's doubly shitty to sell an obvious copy of their product while theirs is still on the market. They could've easily created a more original design and still had people buying them.

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looks like shit

>>10819680
this dress is the one I think of too.

>>10821077
I wish this was me

>>10821080
I love Kokusyoku Sumire, they have the best style and seem like cool and fun people irl.

>>10819306
Nice gifs