/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Why kind of blouse do you use for halter dresses like pic related? I feel like going blouseless is cringe, but all I have are a bunch of older, AP peter pan and high neck collar blouses, and they all seem wrong.

Apologies for actual retard level question.

>>10790373
*what kind

>>10790373
Chiffon blouse, cape, cardigan

Where can I get a custom designed and custom sized (I have a simple cut in mind, I just can't find it anywhere in velveteen and in my size, I'm fat) dress made? I was impressed by Shiroi Tsubasa's work but apparently the owner is a POS. Is Midnight Atelier any good in terms of materials and construction? If not, suggestions/links would be good.

>>10790373
Honestly high neck is the only one I've found that looks good. I just try to find one that doesn't have a ton of neck area decoration. I think halterneck cuts are one of the few that would be acceptable to go blouseless.

>>10790373
Standing collar or off-the-shoulder blouses will work

>>10790373
A peter pan collar and high neck should work perfectly fine. You can see the halter straps going under the collar in picrel.

can i get away with wearing brown shoes in my black x blue gothic coord? i have better fitting shoes but the heels on those hurt so bad and i'll be walking around a con all day tomorrow, seriously do not want to do that

my moitie ribbon otks come undone a lot, what do i do?

>>10790513
That's not a Peter pan collar retard

Wtf are the point of petticoats they’re so uncomfortable why does pettiless get so much hate

>>10790593
It is a peter pan collar, but those aren't halter top jsks?

>>10790597
Sorry anon. Lolita without petticoats looks flat out wrong.

>>10790597
just wear tights or bloomers or a slip or literally anything underneath

>>10790597
Get a dress or skirt that looks good with less poof, and has an in built petticoat. That way you don't need to wear a petticoat to still achieve the right silhouette.

>>10790601
It isn't a Peter pan collar at all. Peter Pan collars lay flat, they dont go up your neck.

>>10790597
Are you not wearing bloomers like a retard? I pretty much never even feel my petticoat

>>10790629
If so, I learned something new today. Lolibrary has a bunch of old AP blouses (with standing collars) tagged as peter pan collars.

>>10790629
peter pan collar is the name of the cut of the collar, dumbass. it refers to the round cut, not where it sits.

>>10790632
No, it is a round and FLAT collar you retard

>>10790631
Yeah it's incorrect. Standing collars are just that: standing. And they can come in whatever shape. Peter Pan collars are specifically meant to be flat.

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>>10790634
you're confused about what flat means. and you're using outdated terms. peter pan collars are rounded.

last year I saw some usakumya or kumya vinyl figures in the style of pop mart/blind box figures. does anybody know the name of these? even if they're sold out i would like to see the designs again

>>10790576
there is no universe where black, blue, and brown go together. However its a con and i doubt people will be thinking about the colors of your shoes so embrace the ita ness or don’t wear gothic lolita that day

Reposting...anyone have a source for parasols other than BtSSB and Lumiebre? Interested in knowing what indie and Taobao brands have to offer.

>>10790634
>>10790633
Lays flat refers to the folded part of the collar. It just denotes a collar that lays against the rest of the fabric on the neckline, it has nothing to do with how high up it is. Standing collars have nothing to do with this, you're confusing them with high collars, they aren't the same thing. Standing collars are collars that aren't folded and stand upright against the neck. Peter pan collars can be higher up or lower on the neck, fold, and end in a rounded shape that lays against the neck or chest bone. Peter pan denotes the shape of the folded part that lays flat, not the height or width or anything else.

>>10790659
No, peter pan collars lay down flat. They can be placed higher or lower, but they are flat. Regular collars are folded. This isnt rocket science. I dont know how you can be so confidently wrong. Picrel is a peter pan collar

Literally just google it holy shit. This is easily verifiable

>>10790646
Regular shirt collars are not peter pan collars simply because they are round. Peter pan collars are not folded

>>10790659
Hell, better yet, look up any proper sewing tutorial for making peter pan collars at all. None of them have a fold. It is specifically a non-folded collar. You are blatantly wrong

>>10790601
The girl on the right isn't wearing a halter neck. The girl on the left is wearing the halter neck version of Milky Berry and you can see the halter neck going under her collar. I have other pictures of halter necks coorded with peter pan collars if it will help.

>>10790667
Stop shitting up the thread with your autism. Ayrt is right that the collar lays flat against the folded part. Even your precious google tells you you're wrong. You would know this if you were actually involved in any aspect of women's fashion and not larping based off of the little information you've scrounged online.

>>10790632
This. Just because it's "common" now, doesn't mean it was when lolita was in it's peak. It wasn't. Peter pan collars were impossible to find. It has nothing to do with stiffness. Infact, the flat ones are usually shitty looking in lolita. Why even look at brand when you can get poorly made collars from taobao?

>>10790656
Apleberute, which is basically lumiebre 2.0 (former employees of lumi) in style and quality. I can’t recommend anything else. also angelic pretty has parasols but they suck ass

>>10790668
...yes they are.

....anyway. What are some good types of pants or skirts to coord with classic lolita blouses, but isn't Lolita? I'm trying to get more use out of my clothes in everyday wear, but other than Victorian Maiden mermaid skirts and maybe some wide pants, what looks good?

>>10790753
You can probably look at abiletage who does more of that kind of stuff. But it is going to be more or less just tight skirts as that is the combo that works with blouses anyways.

>>10790702
That collar is literally folded at the back. Google does not at all show I'm wrong, it proves me overwhelmingly right. You're just too butthurt to admit it

>>10790703
The definition is literally a flat collar, not a folded one. Google any sewing tutorial

>>10790702
If you google "peter pan collar sewing tutorial", show me a single link from the first page that shows a folded collar instead of a flat one. I'll wait

>>10790758
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>>10790757
You're absolutely wrong.

peter pan collar refers to a rounded collar now, it's used in normie fashion as well. using the historical definition is idiotic.

>>10790760
Saying it doesn't make it true. Again, google it. Do you really want me to show the pages and pages of nonfolded collars that show up? Just admit it or stfu

>>10790763
No, now it still refers to a nonfolded collar. which is why the Google results show that

>>10790765
Anon, the folded part of the collar isn't what makes it a peter pan collar. Is something wrong with you? Are you trolling or actually stupid?

>>10790767
Literally just being rounded and nothing else doesn't make it a Peter pan collar. Fucking. Google. It.

>>10790771
It literally does. I am not arguing with a moron anymore. If you're too stupid to understand what collars are I can't help you.

>>10790702
Thank you, anon. I see it now. I'm dumb and didn't know Milky Berry had a halter cut.
The kinds of blouses I have are pic related (didn't mean to start a huge fight about terminology).
Maybe I'll try to coord a halter top cut with one again. In the past it never looked right on me, but it looks fine in the pictures you posted.

>>10790775
pic related is a peter pan collar despite what crazy anon says.

>>10790597
>wtf are the point of petticoats
what kind of crusty petticoats are you buying? literally every petticoat i've ever seen that isn't from a damn costume shop comes with a slip built in. If you hate big poof, just get a small one. We are blessed with plenty of options these days

>>10790753
If you go 60s retro it looks cute. Retro looking pants like tweed flare ones, look nice with lolita blouses. I’ve also worn my lolita blouses with retro miniskirts. You really just want a vintage vibe to pull it off.

>>10790753
Flared. Corduroy. Pants.
Go full 70s funky victorian romanticism revival, if you're into it - blouses with jabots, standing collars and frilly sleeves will look great in that style! Also, seconding >>10790780 on 60s style suits, pants and mini skirts.

If you'd like some inspo, check out @BlackXjs on Twitter - he posts tons of 60s and 70s Japanese fashion magazine scans.

>>10790753
>>10790837
Sharing some cute scans I had saved, I think all of these would look great with the kind of blouse you posted

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>>10790839
if someone was caught dead wearing this shit, they would be ridiculed so hard. 80s disaster clown

>>10790852
You’re right anon, it’s way more clown looking that sugary carnival or milky planet.

>>10790857
the person who asked for help is trying to look normie. not to look like an outdated middle aged woman

>>10790753
you should look up palazzo pants. high waisted pants and skirts in general really make these look good with normie shit, since they make the blouse into an accent rather than the bulk of the outfit.

>>10790858
She didn’t say she wanted to look normie, and you can’t look normie anyway with a lolita blouse.
she said everyday clothing. skirt and blouse is pretty everyday. I don’t see you contributing to the thread, if you have better ideas why don’t you tell her how she can wear her clothes then?

>>10790861
nta but everything you posted is hideous.

>>10790753
I really like the "huge sleeves + fitted pants" silhouette.

>>10790852
People do wear 70s style outfits, with or without modern additions, and nobody's ridiculing them. Get some taste.

Super dumb question, but does anyone know where I could get a wig similar to the one AP uses for stock pictures? The colors and style are so cute to me

>>10790852
Maybe on you. Wackier clothing looks good on girls who don’t have busted faces

Any hair styling tips to wear with bonnets? My hair doesn't look good down with a bonnet like in the stock image. Pulling out the sides next to the fringe just makes it look messy.

What can you wear with a blouse that has a pattern like pic related? Any full coordinate pictures using patterned/polka dot/gingham/tiled/etc blouses would be appreciated.

>>10790893
no, you could put anyone in that dump dowdy shit and they would look like a retard.

>>10790891
yeah because it's actually in fashion right now

what's the best shopping service for mercari japan now that neokyo's not around?

>>10790775
Don't apologize anon. You were just looking for help and it's not your fault the other anon is stupid.
Making the collar sit right with the neck ties can be tricky at first. I'm not sure how it didn't look right on you, but when I first attempted it I tied the neck ties too tight and it made my collar stand up. Maybe you need to tie it a bit looser? It might take a bit of fidgeting and a few tries to get right.

>>10790649
Kikagoods. I bought some and they're nice.

>>10790910
Bonnets look like cringe ageplayer shit regardless of hairstyle.

>>10791050
All of it looks like ageplayer shit to pornsick normies. Get over it

>>10791006
let me see what i have

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>>10790350
I stopped wearing panties in Lolita especially longer dresses and skirts and why do gulls frown upon that? It’s so much more comfortable

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>>10791103
this is either an agp tranny or a scrote fetish bait post

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>>10791096
God, I love her coords so much

How do people feel about mixing major brands? Like, I know some purists would dislike the clash between a baby bag and an AP jsk. Should I aim to have one major brand for the main pieces in a coord?

>>10791206
Nobody cares, as long as you look good

>>10791205
That's how I feel about >>10791133

>>10791206
There's nothing wrong with mixing brands, people do it all the time. The only time people might think it's odd is if you're at a tea party for one brand wearing a coord with a main piece or major accessories from a competing brand.

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>>10791211
A very good point about the brand specific tea party. I suppose on the whole it doesn't matter much, but I feel like specific mascots like kumya or lyrical bunny need more consideration when pairing during a coord - it could just be me overthinking it.

>>10791216
I agree on that, they're best for unprinted or kumya-specific coords imo.

>>10791206
>>10791216
Brand purists don't bother anyone and people have been pairing plushie bags with different brands since they were created. Lolita is just clothes and it's expensive. No one is going to expect you to have a different wardrobe for each brand. Do whatever as long as it looks cohesive.

>>10791244
Yeah there's no reason to care unless you want to idk show off or show respect at a brand event by wearing a coord of all their brand.

But in everyday wear mixing brands doesn't matter at all.

>>10791039
japonica

I bought a handmade lolita cupcake skirt except it’s 3 inches too small on the waist (size was mislabelled) and i can’t return it because it’s from japan.
If i add more fabric to the waistband, will it fuck up the shape of the skirt?
I really like the print on the skirt so I want to try and fix it

>>10791133
Thank you for the inspo, dump anon!

>>10791108
Who is this? I love this coord so much.

>>10790702
>I have other pictures of halter necks coorded with peter pan collars if it will help.
NATRYT but I'd love halter neck inspo, please!

I'll post some shamelessly low res ideas I pulled from lolibrary for >>10790373 in the meantime. Btw Nonna, are you willing to post a pic of how it looks with the "wrong" blouses that you have?

>>10791461
OT but what is this model's name? Does she have social media?

>>10791472
I'm not sure! She's the quintessential IW model tho, I'm sure someone will know.

>>10790910
I like wearing wigs with my bonnets for this reason (and also stability - easier to clip/pin through the wig itself) but if that’s not an option, try curls, twin tails, fluffed out braids, or other textured hairstyles to get your hair to have some volume behind where the bonnet sits.

>>10791436
@sweeetcold on Twitter

>>10791483
Thanks!

>>10791206

In the west it's all about shoving as many brands in your coord as possible - more brands, more tags to use, more audience. Just check the picture of any popular IG post, it is littered with brand account tags.

Brand purity is more of a jp lolita thing, where it used to be easier to access the stores themselves and be able to purchase whole sets at once.

Anyways the short answer is that it doesn't matter much. It's more important for the substyles to match or at least be somewhat coherent.

>>10791524
brand purity is a jp thing because it's culturally japanese to have brand loyalty. the idea is that you pick one and don't buy from competitors so they will flourish. it's pretty hardwired into japanese people culturally to do this with everything, especially for household items like food and appliances.

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>>10791529
have seen zero brand loyalty in japanese lolitas i follow, personally

>>10791538
You arent looking much then. The Ap clones, the vm dress meets, most of these are head to toe 1 brand. Even brand reps going to cons talk about how we mix more.

>>10791550
ap clones are an outdated trend

>>10791472
She and her sister are German, working for a modeling agency while their family is in Japan. Think they were both quite young so maybe no SNS.

>>10791538

Personally I've seen it in the VM lolitas, i'm mainly classic so I don't really follow AP brand followers.

>>10791529
There's that too. Personally I've tried because I've always wanted to support the brands I wear, but the foot wear from brands is just so mediocre I can't bring myself to justify the price.

>>10791550
Clolita died in the early 2010s when sweet dropped in popularity. Twinning has replaced it.

>>10791714
clolita is cheap chinese lolita.

>>10791714
imagine being so triggered over being called a cheap tacky cunt you try to redefine the word clolita kek

How high or how low is the chance I'll find the Cherry Berry Bunny kc in pink? I've searched for a really long time and I'm starting to lose hope. If I had a dream acessorie that would be it. I am venting and hoping for some comfort

Anyone here participated in that trend some year or two back where you wore two OPs layered? I remember some stunning looks where people pinned one skirt up to reveal the other dress underneath. It looked so pretty and elegant, draped like a fine curtain window.

I tried to achieve that look today, but the skirt I pulled up couldn't look sleek. It just bunched up and made ugly standing out lumps instead of hanging down neatly. Was it because my dress was made of cotton? Does this trickery only work in polyester or such fabrics?

>>10791923
Do you have some example pics anon? I imagine it's all about how you pin the fabrics, with lighter ops/jsk working better than ones made with heavier fabrics

Are these older VW necklaces?
Are they legit???

A few dots are closer to some words than the new ones..
The engravings aren't even near resemblance to the engravings on a new store bought one directly from VW site.

I'm thinking they're getting really good at making replica

Thoughts on dearmylove? I adore their look so I went and ordered a jumper skirt and shirt from them

>>10792352
they're fine. they're a cheap fast fashion brand so don't expect amazing quality. and they swap styles based on popularity, so be aware they will change quickly.

>>10792362
Figured as much.
Any brands you'd recommend for this kind of look? I'm not really sure what exactly this style is called if I'm being perfectly honest

>>10792374
Amavel

Does anyone have any examples of dresses made of velvet as opposed to velveteen?

>>10792524
Velveteen is literally just cotton velvet. Other velvets are polyester or silk. I've sewn with silk velvet and it's a lot more drapey

>>10792527
Thanks you! I thought the difference was just in pile length.

>>10792527
Velvet can be made from cotton although it rarely is. Velveteen has a shorter pile than velvet. That's the basic difference.
Because of that difference it does drape much differently from velvet.

Stupid question here:
What are Closet Child's shipping rates like? Do I need a SS for it? The prices are just too good to be true, there's gotta be a catch.

>>10792851
All my recent CC orders have been sent with DHL and cost around 3000yen. DHL is very fast so my stuff arrives in about a week

>>10792858
No SS? Only 3000 yen shipping? If it's so easy, why is the English market so disparate? A Moitie jsk went for $60 on CC and the same jsk is going for $300 on WW. I wonder if it's literally the exact same dress. Why is it not more ubiquitous to buy from CC? I feel like it's more common for me to see girls say to each other, "Oh look! That print you wanted is on LM/WW!" but I never see them talk about CC. I hear about Taobao more, which has the same issue of language barrier, has similar prices, and has the added hassle of needing a SS. What am I missing?

>>10792862
Because we don't want to give away our secrets/because we don't want to deal with repeated newb questions asking for help like they already do with taobao

>>10792863
That's what I've heard before, but I don't really buy it. That's like a conspiracy, and people blab. I can't imagine everyone banding together like that to keep a secret.

>>10792865
I mean it's not a secret, CC is a public business and tons of YouTubers and gulls and other lolitas have acknowledged their existence. Newfags and oldfags alike just want to be spoon fed options and no one spoon feeds how to use CC, you have to figure it out and most people are too lazy to do the work.

>>10792865
People talk about cc all the time you just are dense. It’s so known ppl talk about the timing of drops.

>>10792865
fucking newfag.

Is there such thing as a pretty white girl who wears lolita? I have never seen a good looking cracker, let alone in this fashion

>>10793013
>niggers being niggers

>>10793014
I’m not black, just an ugly white girl

>>10793013
Some of the brands use white models. Victorian Maiden and Innocent World are two that I know. They're good-looking enough to me, but it's still up to you whether you think they look good or not. I think white girls look great in classic lolita as long as they can put together a decent coord. A decent coord can't save them in OTT sweet.

>>10793124
Dropped pic.

Are there any other brands besides VW and Bodyline that still manufacture rocking horse shoes? Specifically looking for some with a real wooden sole.

>>10793174
Vw is the only one that does wood.

>>10790350
how does closetchild and wunderwelt work?? like operations wise? i can see that all of the dresses are posed and placed on to similar forms for photos, so they're not done by individual vendors.

or do vendors bring them into a location that takes the photos for them? or do people sell their brand to these entities?

>>10793015
>falling for bait
it never ends

>>10793267
They buy at a reduced price from people who don't want to deal with the hassle and resell. Closet Child has physical stores in Japan where you can take your old clothes
>https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/pages/about
>https://www.closet-child.com/sell/cc/

>>10793201
Iirc there was also a taobao brand that made ones with wooden platforms - I recall someone posting a link, but can't find it now

What search term in Japanese should I use for fabric by the meter? (assuming Japan doesn't use yards) Or could someone point me to some fabric stores that have some cute cotton prints? Stores on rakuten would be preferable because I like their forwarding service. BTW, I'm not looking for material to make a jsk or anything. Quilting cotton type material is fine because I'm just making a speciality pillow for a surgery I'm having later this year and all the existing ones I've seen have been extremely ugly

>>10794171
Also I'm looking for UNCUT yardage (meterage?), I keep finding pre-cut fabric in lengths of 50-100cm. I can make precuts work, but I rather just get uncut

How do you hold lolita-related conversations at meetups with attendees who wear non lolita dresses with their pettis hanging out?

>>10794414
At the start of the meet you mingle/make the rounds and make some short small talk with these people. Then after you've said hi to most people you decide who you want to spend time most with (preferably not just one or two people, that would stand out too much) and then go do it. Once in a while circle back to the undesirables for a few words so they don't feel left out.

Like the whole goal imo is to get to know everyone, then maximise your time with people worth your time and minimize your time with people not worth your time without it looking like you're avoiding people or taking favorites.

As for your specific question just ask stuff like "what's your favorite brand?" "favorite brand piece?" "looking forward to any future releases?" and if they're new you can ask them who they know already and offer to make introductions. Then when you're introducing them to other people it's often that an opportunity opens up to pass them off to someone else huehuehue

>>10794431
The first half of this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. This is the stupid questions thread not the stupid responses thread.
>>10794414
Just ask them questions or talk about lolita related topics. Are you autistic/socially awkward?

>>10794414
Just don't, they shouldn't even be there. Maybe being ostracized will make them leave.

>>10794431
this is literally not how it happens.

Normally guys look down on me for wearing lolita, but I started dating really wonderful man who is supportive of my hobby and even goes out with me when I wear OTT sweet. The only thing is though I suspect he might be into it for sexual motives. I don’t have any reasoning other than a bad vibe I get around him. What should I do? Is there any way to confirm my suspicions? I really like him but this is just one thing I can’t get over.

>>10794500
Have you tried asking him what he's into sexually? Maybe you're overthinking this and he would just tell you if you asked.

>>10794500
i don't get why people care about this desu. unless he likes it for ddlg reasons, most guys will find your clothing sexy.

>>10791923
That was a covidlita trend because it would not work well in real life at all.

People did all sorts of crap in isolation just for social media photos and clout.

>>10794509
I asked him a while ago but he changed the subject. We are waiting for a while before we do anything like that, we met because he was my youth pastor at church.

>>10794465
>>10794488

This is literally how many of the older lolitas in my comm operate when new members attend meets, and it seems to work just fine.

>>10794546
>he was my youth pastor at church

there's your answer, anon. even if you're over 18 now it would be weird as hell in the same way it would be weird for a teacher to date their former student

haenuli is coming back??? i just saw someone in the ap thread mention she had a panel at some con. will she be re-releasing old designs? where can i find anyone discussing the comeback, since /cgl/ seems to not give a fuck?

>>10794591
In Lolita Updates on FB and on IG she posted about her Kickstarter for a Winnie the Pooh series.

>>10794582
Most people in my comm just talk about general stuff and sometimes mention brands or lolita when relevant. When you've known each other for a while the convos aren't only lolita, and when people are new it's a good jumping off point but the topic doesn't stay exclusively on "I love x thing from x year for this brand" it's more general stuff because not everyone IRL is as autistically well-researched on lolita as oldschool wearing self proclaimed lolita historians or newb gulls trying to prove themselves.

Is An***** on LM the french ana thief?

>>10794625
Yes

>>10794630
Thanks, I thought so just wasn't sure

>>10790350
Why didnt you post this pictures into the kumya thread?

>>10794595
When a badly dressed ("attendees who wear non lolita dresses with their pettis hanging out") new member attends a meet for the first time, I assume lolita topics is what you would most want to talk about at first, of course ask them what their hobbies are and what kind of job they have too.
When you've known each other longer/talked to each other multiple times it makes sense you would talk about non lolita topics more than you did before.

Occasionally there are new members who only take a casual/lukewarm liking to lolita fashion, don't really care about doing it right, the rules/guidelines, don't care about brands (not even chinese ones), releases, dream dresses, etc. They nearly always end up either perma-itas or leave the comm.
I swear there are at least 2 in my comm who have been in it for 10+ years, have showed up to smaller local meets but have never ever had a proper full coord. Itas are better because itas are at least fucking trying most of the time.

Typical stuff that new members who are really interested in lolita fashion start bonding over (in my comm) is talking about preferred sub styles, dream dresses and lolita related hobbies.

>>10794680
again no. you sound annoying and autistic.

>>10794706
Then what do you talk about with new members, if you talk to them at all?

>>10794709
Do you not socialize? I've never found it hard to find random conversations with pretty much anyone. We don't have to have anything in common, even if it helps. I just hang on to curiosity to learning about them, and sharing parts about me and what I like and what I know.

Even so, if someone is there, they obviously like the fashion. So I'd take time to figure out what they like about it and their history of getting into it and in what way they engage with it.

>>10791923
You need the top dress to be a lightweight fabric that's designed to drape, or if it's a heavier fabric you need one that is made to be an overdress (e.g. Victorian Maiden overdresses)

Do BTSSB's JSKs with elastic straps (Hem Scallop, Babydoll, etc) have ribbons for hanging? I was gonna get one next reservation they do that I like but I don't like having to fold dresses over a hanger.

>>10794853
Nope, they don't

>>10794767

I have no problem talking about random stuff with people, I just think it's smart to also steer the conversation towards subjects that helps you learn about their level of interest in the fashion.
As harsh as it may sound (I think I should be able to say this here) I and many others don't want to invest too much time in people who will end up perma itas or who have already decided they're not going to be actual lolitas. Now, I'm not saying I'll walk up to new member and then only talk about lolita stuff with them and walk away the minute I've "gathered my information". That's fuckin weird and not a normal way to socialize.

That people attending meets like the fashion doesn't mean they intend to wear it. We can divide people who are in the online comm in the following categories;
A-lolitas (people who like the fashion and wear it)
B-fans (people who like the fashion but don't wear it yet or don't intend to wear it at all)
C-collectors (people who have lolita items but don't wear the fashion)

Some people in category B attend our meets and they don't intend to wear lolita at all. Some of them have attended meets for years. I can only guess why they're there. (perhaps friends of lolitas or comm leaders?) So if you're talking to a new member and she's like "oh, I'm really not that interested/invested in the fashion, I just like it on other people/I just like the comm and the atmosphere" then it's probably best after a short chat you move onto another new member who is actually interested in the fashion. That way you still get to know everyone a little bit but don't end up spending too much time on certain people.
If you don't mind spending a lot of time with non lolitas at lolita meets then ignore everything I've just said. But I don't see the point of doing that since, to me, I go to meets in order to socialize irl with other lolitas.

>>10794853
Is folding a dress and storing it on a shelf also not something you want to do?

anyone know a good wig store on ali? i would use taobao but i don't plan to do a large order for a while. most of the product photos are just stolen, but i'm wondering if any of the stores are actually reselling good wigs. most of the reviews(including good ones) are clearly garbage.

>>10794883
this is the stupidest shit i have ever read.

>>10794853
no but I share your hatred of dresses folded over hangers so I just use a pants hanger for them

>>10794883
You have people at meets who don't wear lolita? What comm is that?

>>10794931
nayrt but why the fuck are you seething so hard over this? nothing she said was unreasonable. i also avoid perma-itas, kids, or tourists when I can, in favor of getting to know older, well-dressed lolitas.

>>10794941
nayrt but a lot of lolita tourists will show up to meets wear either vintage normie clothing or cheap shein trash, thinking it's lolita.

>>10794940
she's literally telling people to act like weird robots. she needs to shut up.

>>10794947
how is "avoid talking to weirdos" telling someone to act like a weird robot? isn't she explaining it to some autist in plain english? this is a slow board with mostly coomer threads, stop shutting down all other discussion

>>10794883
If your goal is avoiding speaking to people you don't want to talk to, then just don't talk to them anon. There is no secret strategy.

>>10794949
because she's overexplaining shit that anyone would know.

>>10794941
I wouldn't like to say which comm but yeah, we have people who don't wear lolita at some of the meets.

These two people have showed up for years in just regular normie clothes, a misguided attempt at "otome", some cosplay reminiscent stuff and hellbunny dresses. And also some stuff I wouldn't know how to categorize. Like a mid thigh pleated tartan skirt with cheap synthetic lace on the hem and no room for petticoat combined with a regular short sleeve t-shirt, black opaque tights and dr martins.

They're friendly enough. One of them has a history making passive aggressive compliments that suggest that she's resentful of other people in the comm wearing stuff she wishes she was wearing. But she absolute does have the time and money to buy the stuff, she just doesn't for some reason.

>>10794953
if you just ignore people it will ruin your reputation and the atmosphere at the meet.

What should I put in my lacemarket terms of sale? What do you think is essential?

>>10794943
This exactly.

We have meets meant for new members without a dress code, but even our meets that are just for people in lolita aren't that strict. People in vintage stuff and hellbunny dresses absolutely have attended both.

>>10794931
I don't know about you but I go to meets to socialize with other lolitas and not spend time with creeps, perma itas or tourists.

>>10794965
>>10794969
you guys are autistic as hell.

>>10794947
Managing how much time you spent talking to different people to make sure you get to know everyone a little bit and you don't seem to be ignoring anyone, and making smart decisions about which topics to talk about isn't acting like a weird robot.
It's part of social skills. Which some gulls don't have and need to have it spelled out for them. Just the other day we had someone ask how she should have reacted to some girl mentioning she didn't fit into VM.

>>10794969
If you don't understand the difference between actively ignoring someone/pretending they don't exist and simply choosing not to have extended conversations with them, then you deserve to suffer through speaking to annoying people.

>>10794974
Social awareness anon, like the opposite of being an autist.

No seriously, if someone in our comm acts like she thinks she's better than everyone else and is obviously ignoring certain people then that definitely does get talked about.

>>10794978
Which is exactly why I suggest only making a short chat with them instead of just ignoring them.

>>10794979
>>10794980
you guys are the reason these unwanted people stick around in comms. my comm doesn't keep them or you types around.

>>10794981
Mods are allowing these people to stay. It's their responsibility.

>>10794982
well fortunately for me i have good mods. we only let men in who aren't brolita as well (ouji or ega) and even that sometimes gets revoked. i don't live in the US though so maybe that's why.

>>10790482
>I was impressed by Shiroi Tsubasa's work but apparently the owner is a POS.
That sucks to hear! I loved the dress I got commissioned by him so it sucks that he’s apparently a shithead. Granted wasn’t going to commission him again anyway due to him doing crypto stuff.

>>10794985
I wish that was my comm.
Our mods lack back bone and have the "everyone is valid" mindset. We've got non-lolitas attending meets, we have 1 troon and 1 middle aged AGP, too many "they/them" and "they/him" people in the comm. I haven't been asked to include my pronouns yet but we'll see.
We have all kinds of ridiculous rules about what people can talk about because even reasonable topics you would expect to see in a lolita comm make people go "waaah, I'm uncumfurtuble" to the mods.
No fucking wonder the older more experienced lolitas have mostly fucked off to wear lolita on their own and just meet with the friends they've made.

>>10794970
if you accept payment plans. the time limit for when the buyer is expected to pay before you relist the item. how long the buyer should expect for you to send out the item. probably just a general "i might miss stains on inspection" disclaimer, just so some autists don't find and lose their mind over an unnoticeably small mark.

>>10794981
brand-wearing perma-itas aren't going anywhere, and are certainly not bannable by the mods. if you're an even halfway decent person, making polite conversation with them is what is expected, even if you have no intentions of becoming good friends with them.

>>10795002
this. i only ever go to big events in the comm. but i can't see why anyone would attend a smaller comm meet unless you have no lolita friends and are trying to make some.

>>10794923
I like 7JHH wigs, they do their own designs. They're on the thinner side, but nice for the very cheap price and don't look like Party City halloween wigs. I wore one daily for a short period of time (fried my hair), and nobody noticed it was a wig - I would get compliments and surprised reactions whenever I pointed out it wasn't my real hair.

>>10794591
Her dresses were terrible polyester for the most part. The lace one looked ok in pictures, the scandal about that was silly

>>10795088
don't care, i absolutely LOVE a few of the prints and want them so bad. doesn't sound like she plans on re-releasing anything old though, boo

>>10795061
Which one did you get?
They look nice in the listings but they're very filtered and the lighting carefully chosen to look matter than they really are.

If you have any worn photo's I'd appreciate it.

>>10795061
The price is good but when I look at the customer pictures the wigs look just like any other wig brand from china that caters to lolitas. In natural light it's obviously not real hair. But we also shouldn't expect this of synthetic hair.

>>10794970
If you have pets or someone in your household smokes. If you're open to trades or not. If you'll hold an item (and for how long). Shipping and return policies (I always include domestic shipping in the item price).

>>10795099
this is hideous

>>10795126
This is the one I wore daily - https://m.aliexpress.com/item/4000470419062.html
It looks matte in person, people legit couldn't tell it wasn't my own hair. If the bangs looked just a bit more natural, it would've been perfect, but it saved me from many a failed dye job/bang trim as is. I highly recommend it! Picrel is a poorly censored photo of it being worn.

>>10795132
To be fair, 90% of the reviewers don't even bother to cut or thin the bangs, let alone style the wig, and imo any synthetic wig is going to look bad if you just put it on as is. I personally like how all of my wigs from them turned out even with minimal effort put into styling.

>>10795186
It's really cute for what it is and what it costs. And if that's you in the picture you cut it nicely.
But it's synthetic so it's never going to be as realistic looking as real hair.
It just doesn't look like real hair to me. I'm sure some people spotted it but just didn't say anything because they didn't want to be rude. Also people who don't have wigs are less good at spotting them than people who do.

I own synthetic (both high and low quality) and human hair pieces and if I were to explain the shine difference I would like to use the paint analogy.
A good quality synthetic wig has the same shininess as a "high gloss" paint, and a human hair wig has a "satin gloss" paint amount of shine. It has a more subtle lustre.

No synthetic wig is as matte as human hair.

"Party city" wigs are in a crappy class on their own, and I wouldn't use that as a measurement in order to say how good a synthetic wig is.

>>10795195
I wasn't trying to argue that I personally think it looks like human hair - just sharing my experience with normies in hopes it might be helpful. I just think it's really good for a cheap synthetic wig, probably as good as money can buy around that price point - that's about it.
I've owned more expensive synthetic wigs and human hair extensions as well, and as far as synthetics go these are still my favorite to wear. Imo they look the least obviously shiny/reflective out of all of the ones I've tried.
Sorry for any confusion! And yes, that's me, so thank you.

>>10795186
your eye fingerprint is most likely not achieved from this picture, but a little bit closer and a little bit sharper and it would be, be careful

>>10795222
In all fairness, I don't think anyone will be able to decipher much from a poorly lit front camera selfie, not that you should be paranoid about that in the first place

>>10795220
There are a lot more shops selling these exact same wigs at similar price points (18~25$) with the exact same stock photos, so maybe they all come from the same manufacturer. Reminds me most of Alice Garden, and I don't even know if they are the original seller of these.

Then there's resellers who try to sell these for 30~50 bucks which is pretty damn sad.
But it's great if you can get these wigs for 20$ (tax and shipping included), that's a great deal. Keep spreading the word, just don't give people hope that normies won't spot the wigginess.

I've become picky with wigs and I realize that sucks the joy out of it as well so now I tell myself that synthetics are never going to look real but that's okay and I can enjoy them for what they are.

I have a bunch of dream holic wigs and they're my lowest quality wigs, and honestly what you got looks better than DH. Dream Holic sells their wigs from their own websites (they've got an international one and an US one) for like 40+$ and from their taobao for a lot less. Their taobao prices are probably still higher than what you paid.

>>10795195
anon you sound kind of stupid. all hair is not the same gloss/shine.

Is making an alice holic account worth it?

>>10795394
Afaik you still can't even sign up for the site. There's also no way to recover lost passwords.

>>10795185
suit urself. hard to find secondhand :(

>>10795313
TLDR: they don't just accept any donor hair willy nilly

Hair used in human hair wigs all get the same products to prep it for wig making, regardless of the shine level of the untreated donor hair, so the shine is as consistent as possible.
How long that initial look and feel last depends on the quality of the hair and if the cuticle is intact or not. But they all start out with similar levels of shine because of the treatment involved to prep the hair for wig making.
If the donor hair is too damaged or too thin they simply don't use it.
They don't even take dyed and fried donor hair. The only hair they accept is "virgin" (untreated, never been dyed, bleached, permed, etc)

What's the easiest way to style a medium length wig just so it doesn't look so stale?

>>10795728
Loose waves.

>>10795728
How long is "medium length" exactly?
Depending on the length you can always do an interesting updo, maybe put in some braids, a hat or a bonnet.

Is the AP Boston bag worth paying the full price brand new? I heard ap bags and shoes are shit

>>10790702
Isn't that just because her hair is covering where the halter straps go under the collar? Doesn't it bunch the blouse up more at the neck?

>>10790482
Midnight atelier is really good. The customer service is awesome, first you pay for fabric and then you pay for the sewing and shipment. The owner will ask you throw every step if everything is OK, and the quality is *chef's kiss*

Shiroi Tsubasa not only is a Pos, he is an antivaxxer, covid denier and a nazi

>>10796120
I haven't commissioned anything from them, but sent in a dream dress to be repaired and they did an A+ job

>>10796120
>Shiroi Tsubasa not only is a Pos, he is an antivaxxer, covid denier and a nazi
Based, link so I can support him?

>>10796134
He's going to call you a fat ugly whore behind your back and incelpost while he's working on your commission, good luck with that

>>10796137
Have you tried not being a fat ugly whore?

>>10796120
He also constantly talks shit about burando

>>10790482
How are you going to pay? PayPal is banned in Russia due to the war

>>10796141
How original. I've never given him my money or interacted with disgusting scrotes like him, just giving you some friendly advice

>>10796149
>FBI spy

>>10796141
Aww, someone hurt his feewings and inflated ego

How does it feel to be in Australia, buying summer releases in winter and winter releases in summer?

>>10796120
>Shiroi Tsubasa not only is a Pos, he is an antivaxxer, covid denier and a nazi
Is this person in the US or something? I wasn't aware that our culture should define people in complete other countries, using our culture

It baffles me that you guys are the same people who whine about gentrification and colonizing.

>>10796581
Nayrt, and while I agree that "nazi" is a pointless buzzword at this point, being an antivaxxer, covid denier, woman-hater and racist/nationalist transcends culture barriers and he is legitimately all of those combined. Or simply an antisocial egomaniac, whichever you prefer.

>>10796589
no, it quite literally doesn't. the majority of the things you just called out is still politically affiliated in your culture and only one side of the spectrum in the US, at that. I think is ignorant to think your affiliation is and should be an entire world view.

For anyone interested:
https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/
You can still do trade with Russia through China, obvi. But we want worry your little SJW minds about it. You can't think too far outside of your own limited world view.

>>10796590
>your culture
I'm literally Russian, and all these -isms can and do manifest themselves the world over in different ways. You sound either incredibly sheltered or ignorant, the world doesn't revolve around the US.

>>10796590
>your culture
I'm literally Russian, and all these -isms can and do manifest themselves the world over in different ways. A Russian racist/nationalist/misogynist/antivaxxer won't be the same as an American holding similar views. You sound either incredibly sheltered or ignorant, the world doesn't revolve around the US.
Nice attempt to label me as an SJW, your strawmanning was quite impressive as well.

>>10796120
Genuinely curious where proof of this is?

>>10796595
imagine being russian

Are there any okay Chinese brands, or does it all suck? I see a lot of dunking on them, but rarely any good; curious if it's all hot garbage or there's a few gems somewhere.

>>10796870
there were a few a decade ago but a lot of them changed styles or quality.

>>10796870
The very best Chinese brands only match mid-tier Japanese brands in terms of quality

>>10796919
Modern AP is very much taobao-tier, sadly. Chinese lolitas will buy anything and they know it.

Can anyone help me ID what skirt/JSK/OP the model is wearing? This was on the WunderWelt Fleur website modeling Moitie stockings. Wasn't able to find it on WW.

>>10796941
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-falling-cross-print-jsk

>>10796947
thank you anon! didn't realize they were just reusing older photos

>>10796947
It's actually https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-falling-cross-print-skirt

This has the white underneath that the JSK doesn't

>>10790350
Is Leur Guetter still around? The link on fyeahlolita wiki gives me an error

>>10797039
nope

A shopping service that will ship items with lithium/rechargable batteries? IDC about hazmat fees I'll pay them. My current one won't do it, full stop. They also refuse to ship cosmetics...

How many finished coordinates should you have/ main pieces should you own before calling yourself a lolita? I’ve admired the community from afar for about five years but just recently got into the community. I’m about a month in and have nine angelic pretty dresses with four finished coordinates and am not sure when I should consider myself lolita or go to meets.

>>10797074
Sad

>>10797106
You are a lolita.

>>10797103
what's your current one?

>>10797106
For me the bar is to wear one full coord out. The people who own several coords but don't wear them out yet don't qualufy, and the people who wear it out but their petti is still in the mail or they can't afford lolita shoes yet don't qualify either.

I know there's the "2-5 cm at least below the minimum" rule for a good garment fit, but about how many cm below the minimum before the dress starts to look baggy?

>>10797166
Depends on your body shape, if there is shirring or waist ties, and which measurement we are talking about.

>>10797166
It depends where on the dress it's too big and the cut. Having a defined waist is the most important part and as long as you're no more than 3-5 inches under the waist you should be fine, and tying your waist ties well can help with getting a better fit.
I'm usually under the bust measurements and I've found I can get away with being 4-6 cm under them for JSKs. OPs aren't a problem though, I wear OPs where I'm 10-12 cm under and it's fine as long as I define my waist. Anything that has corset lacing is also fine regardless of the cut because I can just tighten it.

>>10797147
Rakuten global express, which is technically a forwarding service and not a shopping service. I only use them because they don't charge any fees other than international shipping. They have a really long ass list of restrictions including some odd things like real leather. There's some perfumes I'd like to import from Japan too, but those are difficult to get sent overseas because Japan Post won't ship it and it seems like most SS won't work with carriers that handle hazmat.

>>10797166
You don't have to be below the minimum. But you do want to be 4-5 cm below the max or the dress will be skintight. I'm 94 cm bust and I try to leave plenty of room so I can wear nice blouses

Where can I buy those thin plastic garment bags that Japanese sellers ship things in? I stupidly threw out the ones I had stashed.

>>10797609
amazon, aliexpress, basically anywhere.

Just got little strawberry bunny op. I find the quality of the dress pretty good. You girls who talk shit about AP's quality also found that dress shity? Genuinely asking because I don't have a reference for AP's quality

>>10797678
No, most people like cotton AP like Little Bunny Strawberry, it's the polyester that's awful.

Is it still possible to buy Queen Bee shoes anywhere?

>>10797680
Might be able to get an*tai*na to make a replica of a pair you want or find something similar.

Don't they still reply to direct emails for custom shoe requests? If not you can order from taobao.

>>10797685
not for years

>>10797685
They never replied to mine last year

>>10797680
Wunderwelt fleur

>>10797732
All the good styles are sold out sadly. Thank you for the rec though nonny

>>10797678
If it's cotton, it's most likely fine.
If it's polyester like poly crepe de chine or wooly viyella, then it's probably trash.

Always check the material

Most people were praising Little Bunny Strawberry and it even got an MTO soon after the first release because it was cotton border print.

>>10797678
Shit tends to be relative to overall fabric choice.

Cotton is normally preferred. It looks better an feels better. Though It's prone to fading and running (usually reds will run). OTT sweet era AP is often faded and washed out 10+ years later. They can be a bitch to keep nice in a tight wardrobe. If you get something ridiculously wrinkled and pleated, be prepared to pin, iron, and cry.

I think most people are okay with some of the better poly choices. I personally love any chiffon release. When it comes to non-chiffon Poly, I like their Original Grosgrain the most. Viyella feels cruddy desu, like it's going to snag.

I have the original and MTO Honey Cake. I prefer the original for materials. But I've been wearing my MTO more as of late because it's less hassle.

The attention to detail and construction is still there. Although I've seen it slip. Generally though, if you were to compare construction and detail on AP to some cheap Taobao or Bodyline you'll see a drastic difference in quality in that department.

Where's a good place to get gothic or guro eyepatches?

Would you say picrel is supposed to be based on lolita or just general jfash?

>>10798290
>Would you say picrel is supposed to be based on melanie martinez?
fify

>>10798290
Lolsurprise dolls are often based on social media influencers' likenesses who don't have money to fight back.

>>10797727
>>10797728

If I order via Clobba or their taobao shop with a SS will they actually reply or make the shoes?

>>10798195
honestly, handmade is the best look and the easiest to acquire

How often does Meta restock their goth platforms?

>>10795088
scandal?

>>10798422
Once a week

>>10794546
fucking gross anon

>>10798427
Holy shit, really that often? Which day?

>>10790350
I’ve never had a petticoat before, but I want an small A-line one with very small poof, where can I get a petticoat like this? I’m interested in casual lolita

>>10798425
The dress was a solid with a dark lace overlay and when it shipped the lace used looked completely different. Her quality control seems bad, the dress I got had very cheap looking fabric and trimming in person but it looks ok in photos

>>10798583
Classical Puppets has a "daily" a-line petticoat that's lower poof and works well for low-key/casual coords. "Petticoat III" i think.

>>10798411
oh you swallowed that metamucil artist’s propaganda huh? another black social media youtuber called them out on their lies.

>>10798755
>metamucil artist
Who??? I've seen dozens of cases of rainbow vomit influencers of all races get their likenesses recreated by children's toy companies regularly. It's the same as SHEIN ripping off art of small creators. Insanely common.

Any advice for cleaning hair and head accessories, specifically? I grabbed a pair of ribbon hair combs off of WW recently, and common sense says to clean them before they go on my head for extended periods.

>>10798877
If you want to be careful then use sanitizing wipes on the comb part and gently wash the ribbons with soap and water. Personally though I just throw them in a garment bag in the washing machine. People will say not to do that because the metal will rust but I do this with all my secondhand hair pieces and doing it once doesn't hurt in my opinion.

>>10798877
An alternative to this method >>10798912
would be to remove the clip/haircomb part, wash the actual ribbon/bow in a garment bad in the washing machine and then sew the clip/haircomb back on. A little more time consuming but this prevents any rusting. For headbows, just remove the bow form the headband and wash it in the same way. Things like rectangle headdresses can just be washed normally too.

>>10798752
Thank youuu~~

>>10798913
this is retarded

>>10798932
No. This makes a lot of sense and is actually helpful.

>>10798981
water touching metal doesn't rust it.

>>10799164
Then why do so many people remove, for example, the metal bones from corsets before washing them?

Is this all some giant myth that a lot of people believe and act on?

>>10799239
Metal rusts because it oxydizes

>>10799295
Nta but doesn't water speed up the oxidation process?

>>10799297
yes, but the point is that things made of metal don't rust simply from getting wet once. if you dry them off they're fine. plus, most combs and headbands are made of stainless steel or coated metal.
>>10799239
this would be stupid since most corsets have metal eyelets and closures. normal people aren't unsewing and resewing clothing items.

>>10799299
>most corsets have metal eyelets and closures.
Fucking this. God how do lolitas survive?

I typically spot clean my corsets, and make sure they never touch bare skin in the first place.

>>10799299
>>10799308
>>10799309
IIRC during the edwardian era for the rare event that the corset needed to be washed the binding would be removed in order to pop out all of the metal boning before washing. Some corsets even came with features that made it easy to remove the boning without having unpick much or any stitching.

Some modern corset wearers do the same. When someone wears a corset daily even with a liner or a chemise it's sometimes still necessary to wash the corset.

Would people be doing this if water didn't rust metal?
It's a common belief that metal gets rusty sooner when it's wet. Corsets with metal boning and headbands with metal wiring dry very slowly, it's not like cutlery that you can just wash and dry quickly.

Even if people argue you're just washing it once, who really wants to take that chance?

>>10799330
Yeah, I know someone who had a headbow rust from washing it once so now I just unpick the end and slide the metal out. It's not that much hassle to stitch the end back and no risk of rust.

>>10798412
I've ordered like 3 pairs this year via a Taobao SS, so you should be fine

>>10799343
I've heard about it as well. I'm not taking any chances.

Could I get away with a gothic Lolita dress as a normal party dress, no wig, no petticoat, no coord etc

I just want a pretty goth dress like pic related but don’t want to buy a cheapo Aliexpress garbage one

Where do I find good shorts for mori boy stuff? I know op shops are the usual go to but I've been looking through for months and I can't find anything that would work.

>>10799835
yes, lolita items can be worn in non-lolita ways. celebrities have done it plenty of times before. just don't call it lolita and no one will care

How does Misako get her hair that soft and straight? I will spend any amount to achieve that

Bust measurement for the Atelier Pierrot Ballad JSK?

>>10801191
super straight - by being asian. soft - who knows for sure but but getting professional conditioning treatments done at a salon every month or so would achieve that

I've owned VW rhs for a few years but I'm still pretty paranoid about falling in them. Has anyone here tripped in one? Did you twist your ankle or something or was it like tripping with any other set of shoes or platforms? Is there a type of terrain or ground you would absolutely avoid? I've gotten somewhat used to walking in them but I still feel like uneven terrain throws off my balance more so compared to other platforms.

How does Baby's reservation system work? If I make a reservation order with credit card payment, does the payment occur when the order is placed or when the item is shipped out? I'm getting conflicting information between emails and the website.

Last month Meta announced they were releasing this set for Laforet Harajuku and I have been waiting with bated breath for it to appear in their online shop. It still isn't there - will it ever be available outside of Laforet, and if so, when?