/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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sometimes i enjoy getting the attention from weebs when im wearing lolita

I never liked OTT sweet when it was popular, but I'd prefer it over some of the boring shit that's popular nowadays. Some people's coords are like borderline normie clothes. A limp grey skirt and a sensible kitten heel is not exciting to look at.

I’m casually dating with apps right now and I refuse to put any lolita pictures on my profile. I don’t really have social media as well. I plan to tell any guy on the third or fourth date that I’m a full time lolita.

I caught my little brother (14) trying on one of my dresses (I found it in his room) and I don’t know how to tell him that I think it’s okay if he wears lolita

>>10786796
that's fucking stupid, anon.

>>10786799
Buy him one, he'll be embarrassed but incredibly thankful if you're supportive.

>>10786799
>I think it’s okay if he wears lolita
probably just like that

I have an extremely irrational dislike of AatP. Even if I see something I like by then, I won't buy it once I see it's AatP. But the most part I hate everything they make, I hate that they're related to Baby, and I wish they either didn't exist or weren't related to Baby at all.

>>10786799
he might do sexual stuff in your dresses without you knowing. I'd be very careful about supporting him.

>>10786823
this is true of literally anything a 14 year old interacts with

nature, uh, finds a way

>>10786817
Why?

>>10786799
he was probably just using it for a tiktok video or some shit

>>10786825
More reason to not give him access to your clothes. I'm sure you don't want your little brother's jizz all over your brand. Let's not pretend like that kind of thing is normal to begin with.

I've heard too many stories of men with a cross dressing fetish (often pretending to be trans women to the outside world), who say their first memories of "how they knew" was some variation of them putting on a female family member's clothes when they were early to mid teens, and getting a boner/masturbating in it.

This is exactly how AGP/sissy/crossdressing fetish starts. Don't encourage it.

You better lock up your clothes.

>>10786830
>men with a cross dressing fetish
Can confirm. Was friends with a guy when I was around 12-14 and he talked about wearing his mom's clothes and jacking off in it. It's a real thing, especially at that age.

>>10786817
Oh my god same, I thought I was the only one with an irrational hatred for AaTP

>>10786796
that's a weird thing to make such a big deal out of. it's just clothes.

>>10786823
You're extremely weird for saying that.

>>10786831
Seriously?? Do you know why?

>>10786827
It's pretty irrational so it's hard to say. I've just never really liked them. They are a "newer" brand from my perspective, and I never liked the aesthetic they had, or pirate lolita, and was annoyed they got a lot of hype back then. I also didn't like the name, Alice and the Pirates. And I just genuinely don't like their aesthetic or most of their releases. I did buy a jsk one time from them but regretted it and never again. Other brands I don't like I just ignore, but AatP offends me especially.

>>10786830
>>10786831
Yeah this is like troon origin story 101. Be wary, anon.

>>10786831
God I hate men. Imagine how stupid it would be for a girl to take "male" clothing and get turned on by wearing it. It's only males being giant degenerates.

>>10786843
Me too anon. XY is a curse on the planet and I pray daily for their eradication.

>>10786838
I wish I could afford to be that naïve.

habitual thread hijackers do not deserve nice clothes

>>10786843
that happens though, they're called fakebois

>>10786844
:(

>>10786843
>>10786844
>I hate men

I hate women. I guess we are even.

>>10786810
nayrt but why is that stupid? that's what i did with my fiance. you don't want to attract some degen who gets off to your clothes, and you don't want to scare off normies who didn't have a chance to understand and learn about it from you first

>>10786836
if it's sweet lolita, there's plenty of guys who would not be comfortable walking around with a woman who wears it all the time. most guys, i'd say. for gothic or classic, probably not as many would mind as those blend in better with mainstream clothes

>>10786888
normies don't associate most clothing with being some kind of person-altering lifestyle, and most people don't give that much of a shit aside from "oh that's cool" or "oh that's weird".

it'd be like if the guy you were seeing told you on the third date that he's an adidas tracksuit lifestyler, and shows you his closet full of adidas. who gives a shit? most people are just gonna say "huh." and move on

>>10786893
Nta but there is no fetish or group of horny scrotes who are horny for track suits. Similar to goth if a btggf obsessed retard sees a girl with fishnets and black lipstick he will go crazy based off just that fact, just like a weeb scrote will see a Lolita and go crazy. It’s not just clothes anymore, yes most normies don’t care that’s why she’s doing that, it’s the creeps who do care that she’s trying to avoid

>>10786896
there are people obsessed with a lot of types of clothes. military stuff, biker stuff, medic stuff. no one is safe.

source: me, whose obsession is in star wars.
please tell me i will never have sex. i know it but i wanna hear it from someone else.

>>10786888
it's stupid because of the things you just said. you should be open about it immediately or else you're wasting your time with someone who is put off by it or find out someone you were into is a creep. why would you waste time getting involved with someone who is going to ghost you or be a creep once they find out? you're setting yourself up for failure. being as open about it as soon as possible saves you a lot of trouble and letdowns.

>>10786897
Lol Star Wars is normy tier. There’s a bunch of costume clubs full of retards obsessed with Star Wars clothes. Just join one of them.

I wish all the Chinese scalpers would get banned off of lacemarket. Or at least that we could ban/hide their listings. I hate having to scroll through pages of the same shit being listed every week.
I guess it wouldn’t be so bad if stuff was only resisted once a month or something. Once a week is too much though.

i had nonstop boner when i was crossplaying at a con for the first time and people thought i was actually female and tried to hit on me until i talked

As much as I love hating on uggos and hambeasts I wonder how badly it’s effecting my eating disorder recovery by being surrounded by constant hate and negativity. It feels good but indulging in this for so long is really weighing me down.

I’m well known in the community but nobody knows I’m a hardcore nationalist. Nobody will ever suspect me though because I’m Black. Sometimes I post asian girls to the ita thread to feel better since they culturally appropriated gyaru but I wish I didn't have to hide who I am. I'm scared to be canceled on tiktok or lose my following.

>>10786947
black girls are really retarded huh.

>>10786823
>>10786830
>>10786831
You are all just making shit up and have no actual evidence that is what is going on.

>>10786799
>>10786814 is right. Just tell him it's okay, and that you'll help him out if he needs it.

bait

>>10786946
You and I are on the same boat anon. I realised that the reason why i do that is because i project and even though i continue doing it I know it's solely because of my own self hatred. You probably are as well. It's never healthy to hate that much on random people, even if they are fugly or fat maybe they are good people, maybe they have stories as to how they ended up this way, maybe there is beauty to be found in them after all.
I hope you recover eventually, I love you.

After hanging out with other lolitas for a few years, I think I’m going back to being a lonelita forever. Save for a few online lolita friends I’ve met, I just have nothing in common with anyone aside from the clothes. I’ve been a near daily lolita for years and find no joy going out in a group of lolitas. I also find the things people say to be abjectly annoying/new. Things like, making a big deal about “brand” (“I wouldn’t let ~my brand~ touch that park bench!” Coming from someone with a wardrobe full of brand, just do your laundry. Stuff like that.), talking about insignificant drama even though we’re all adults, not knowing basic things about the fashion. Those all kind of get my goat, on top of the other reasons I mentioned. I sound mean, but I’m also really sad about it because I thought I wanted lolita friends. Maybe I still do, and I’m just picky. But online lolita “culture” has made a lot of people completely insufferable to me.

>>10786946
Being on this site has definitely worsened my body image issues. I wish there was a less shitty place to discuss lolita and get brand updates that wasnt Facebook.

>>10786962
We don't know if he has any sexual intent for wearing her stuff, but there's still a decent chance that he is.
That kind of degeneracy isn't exactly rare, there are plenty of communities with that interest and plenty of men online who are open about it. irl too.

For all we know anon's brother could grow up to be the next Caleb.

And even if he was filming something innocent as a tiktok prank video wearing her stuff, I wouldn't want someone wearing my stuff without my knowledge. He could damage or stain it. Or get stuck in it and decide not to call for help but decide to cut himself free with scissors. That last is based on a true story.

>>10787003
stop sincerely responding to bait you absolute moron.

A lot of my friends are alcoholics and spend cons just drinking in the room which just is not fun to be around even if I enjoy cons themselves. I'm approaching my 30's now and wonder if I should just bow out now since I feel like I am old enough that it is weird for me to be trying to socialize with randos & make new friends.

>>10786962
Anon, that friend fapped on camera for me while wearing his mom's clothes and silk gloves. I think you're just stupid as fuck.

>>10786870
some aren't, some are just degens. they aren't actually trying to be women, that is what we witness with some of these too.

I am >>10787051 and can confirm he never became a troon. He just was a degenerate. Trans-sexual was someone who got turned on by wearing women's clothes, not that they were "transitioning" to another gender. That is still a real thing, but people are just stupid as fuck now and lump everyone together like ignorant retards.

>>10786898
How does that make sense?? You're not going to attract a creepy fetishist in the first place if you don't plaster it all over you're profile.

And no, all the men I dated, including my literal fiance now, have not cared about it when I revealed it to them. Maybe that's because I go after confident men who don't care about their gf looking "weird".

>>10787054
>was someone who got turned on by wearing women's clothes
anon, no. transsexual was the original term for transgender. it's never meant anything else. you're thinking of transvestite, which is crossdressing.

>>10787055
>You're not going to attract a creepy fetishist in the first place if you don't plaster it all over you're profile.
kek, this is extremely naive.

>>10787055
>how does logic make sense but my passive aggressive anecdotes don't???

>>10787055
for what it’s worth, I do agree that it’s best not to plaster it everywhere from the getgo especially on dating apps. Same boat as you—I’ve dated many men (I know I know, whore, whatever), but the ones who were *into* me wearing lolita always put me off and it ended up not working because they fetishized me for being “cute” “small” “Asian” “doll like” and all that nastiness.

When I started taking a different approach, which was just letting the man get to know me first and then being like “by the way, I wear these clothes and they make me happy!” It worked out. Because at that point, even though he’s not the biggest lolita fan, he loves me and cares about me and what’s me to wear what makes me happy. and that’s what really matters to me.

in the end, there is no “right” way to go about it. but my personal preference is for a man to support my passions, not because he’s attracted to them but because he loves me for me. wishing all nonnas in their quest for love. but if you end up meeting a bunch of fetishists, give the alternative approach a try.

>>10787066
There is nothing logical about what you're suggesting.

Putting lolita on your profile will attract a man who is sexually attracted to it. Not putting it on your profile won't attract such a man.

It's that simple.

>>10787057
Yes, men are degens, but you greatly lessen your chances.

>>10787075
This exactly. If he's a good catch, he won't care what you wear as long as it makes you happy.

>>10787076
sorry anon you're retarded.

>>10787057
It's the typical naive woman take on here in regards to how men think. It's just likely they're an ugly woman, so they've never had to "worry about it."

>>10787056
That's extremely weird it's a -sexual term if it's not a sexuality related concept.

>>10787087
most lolitas are ugly so it makes sense.

>>10787089
sexual in that case refers to sex not sexuality or sexual preference. it was coined in the 1950s.

>>10787087
Lol what? Whether youre ugly or pretty, you will meet degenerate men

>>10787086
>no u
Very logical point anon

>>10787098
Yes, but less likely you experience the degen side or care. I've known a lot of fat girls who try to be degen just to get close to men. They are much more desperate for attention. The counterpart to that is just naive and never experiences it from men. So I wouldn't say it's as common as you think, despite men not really being picky. Fat ugly girls don't get much attention.

>>10787098
degens don't usually go for pretty women because they're too intimidating for them.

t. pretty woman who hasn't even dated a degen.

>>10787075
This. I was on tinder looking for hookups. You really think I’m gonna put pictures of me in lolita on there?

>>10787122
maybe if you only date ugly men. handsome, confident men absolutely try to subject pretty women to degen shit

>>10787131
i only date virgins, no used goods for me.

>>10787154
"i'm insecure so i only date people who have no basis for comparison"

gotcha

>>10786727
I used the food bank for a while to save more money to buy more brand.
I feel guilty for it now, but I still don't regret it.

I have never purchased anything related to this hobby. I browse online stores and open 50 tabs of stuff I want. The tabs remain open for periods ranging from three hours to a week. I then close them once I accept that I'm too stingy to spend money on anything.

>>10787158
sorry, did i strike a nerve?

>>10787154
Well no wonder. Men who are virgins are ugly

>>10786900
Especially scalped Bodyline of all things. Over and over. How long have some of these things been listed already?

>>10787278
Not if they're young. Also ugly men are more degen.

>>10787284
Kek how old do you consider "young"?

>>10787288
19 of course.

I judge anyone wearing rocking horse shoes that are not VW. I judge anyone for wearing replicas of lolita brands like I do for designer brands. Even if the quality is not that good on the real one it's still tacky.

Lolitas are so hypocritical, screaming about replicas then being ok with dupes if it's not lolita

>>10787460
no1cuurs about design replicas kek

>>10787460
Thoughts on everyone and their mother wearing tea party replicas of AP?

>>10787483
they'll probably sperg about that too, but chances are the anon can't dress themselves out of a paper bag anyways

>>10787460
I feel pretty strongly that replicas are bad too, but what are you supposed to do if your feet bones are too long?
And didn't AP stop making size LLs? Those are the only size that fits me, so I just resort to replicas because I'm sure a shell not wearing sneakers in lolita.

>>10787483
da but I only really care if it's a size that AP actually makes. If you can regularly buy your size+color from AP then you're just being cheap or lazy buying it from a replica maker.

Other brands make LLL size shoes but AP rarely even offers LL size shoe releases, so it's on their head of all those potential customers go elsewhere to get the same thing. And on the rare occasions they do offer LL teaparties, they sell out basically instantly bc they're in high demand. AP has never kept up with the demand for an essential item type so ofc customers have normalized wearing replicas.

imo design replicas are distasteful but AP brought it on themselves.

>>10787493
larpfag is larp

you have this opinion based on VW shoes, lolita brand shoes flake and get fucked up easily. I really don't believe you're a lolita or you're a newfag and thus your opinion doesn't matter, because you'll have to rebuy every shoe you own outside of VW after two weeks.

>>10786946
i can relate anon but in a different way-- i want to eventually begin recovering from my ED but im worried my taste in older and smaller lolita pieces is gonna keep me obsessed with my body forever

i hope your recovery continues to go well though, i can understand the frustration with a lot of ~body positive~ talking points especially in the egl community so it's not hard to indulge in making fun of it lol

>>10787494
I don't own any VW shoes but I have six pairs of AP shoes and plenty of AP purses. I've never had any issues with flaking. Maybe you should try taking better care of your shit.

>>10787494
newfag zoomers who are old-school trend hopping tend to feel this way about VW more than people who have been in the fashion a while i noticed.

>>10786727
I want to wear sweet lolita more, but I have a dull/neutral skin tone and bright pastels make me look like a zombie. It actually makes me so fucking sad

I don’t understand people that support Popxparade yet decry design theft and replicas in the same breath because their stuff is just AP copies that are less cute …

>>10787511
Red, black, and brown are colors that are common in sweet.

>>10787492
The other option would be to buy non-replica shoes from places like bodyline, dreamV and taobao. But these designs tend to be incredibly boring and basic with some exceptions here and there.
On the other hand we've seen so many tea party shoes those have become boring and basic as well.
It's not just a choice between brand shoes and sneakers.

Personal opinion; replica shoes is the only replica thing I'm partially okay with, replica everything else is bad in my book.
My reasons for being partially okay about replica shoes is the sizing issue and the fact that brand shoes are a rip off.
Also shoes wear out sooner than other items imo, so it would be hard to find long discontinued shoes on the secondhand market still in reasonable condition. If you like something that btssb used to make and stopped making in the mid 2000's you're pretty much fucked without replica shoes.

Shops with original designs carrying extended sizing would still be better than replica shoes imo. But then you're stuck with, usually, contemporary styles which obviously don't appeal to everyone.

Lolitafied reaction images with bows and dresses photoshopped onto ugly men or random pictures that weren’t drawn to have lolita on look absolutely retarded and are on the same level of those lolita meme accounts teenagers with 2 aliexpress dresses run on Instagram

>>10787519

>>10787519
>look absolutely retarded
That's kinda the point, anon.

>>10787519
they do.
>>10787533
it's cringe. the point of reaction images is that they're universal. lolifying them is defeating the purpose.

>>10786987
>>10786987
I think being a lonelita for me is best too. I love the fashion but not most of the people. I don’t have anything in common with anyone.

>>10787519
I think I accidentally started this trend. I used to make these memes all the time when I was 14. Sorry nonny you can blame me for it.

>>10787519
>This massive run on

>>10786987
Hear me out, I won't sit on a park bench because it's wood and can snag. I'll sit in public spaces that won't cause avoidable damage.

>>10787667
some benches are plastic, or metal. and what about wooden seats in restaurants?

>>10786843
That's hard to compare because the vast majority of "male" clothing is normalized for women to wear, though. I have, however, known some fujos that crossplay their male husbandos and seem a little too into it if you know what I mean though.

>>10787054
fakebois are women who larp as yaoi husbandos and usually chop their tits off.

>>10786727
I don't know why I can't get this out of my mind today, but I think a married cosplayer friend (whose spouse I'm also friends with) tried to instigate an affair with me a few years back, and I distanced myself from them, not because I wasn't interested but because I was TOO interested and don't think I could've stopped myself if they'd come on any stronger. I've got conflicting feelings about the whole thing - part of me thinks I should've gone down that road, part wishes things had stayed as they were, and part thinks maybe I was just reading things wrong (though friends privy to more details agreed with my assessment). This person recently made a small move toward re-establishing contact and I'm not really sure how to handle it.

>>10786796
I go back and forth on whether to admit that I'm a cosplayer on dating sites or not. It's tough, on one hand it feels wrong to hide a big part of my life and not being open about it might make me miss opportunities with other people who share the hobby, but on the other hand it brings out a lot of weirdoes and alienates people who might otherwise turn out to be good for me.
Your case is kinda hard too, I can see arguments either way there as well. Obviously there are people who fetishize it and you don't want to attract them, but on the other hand I think a lot of guys who aren't really aware of it will get the wrong idea when they find out down the line, and there are definitely dudes out there who appreciate it in a non-sexual way as well and it sort of feels like a shame to miss out on that, at least in my mind. I've had friends who were full-time lolitas married to guys who didn't like it at all and it didn't result in very happy relationships from what I saw.

>>10787689
i think everyone should be completely honest from the get go about their hobbies, no matter how weird, men and women. that's why i keep trying to convince my creepy cousin to itasha his car with his underage anime waifu, just so women know what they're getting into. i'd rather block creeps from the get go than find out someone i was into is a creep or that it's a big deal breaker for them.

>>10787691
Yeah that's generally the way I've been leaning as well. If nothing else, I think trying to hide who I am is stupid because I'm not gonna be happy with some normie who'd be turned off by it anyway. On the other hand, though, it's easy for people to get the wrong idea from it, thinking it means I'm some no-life weirdo with no social skills or something, or that it's a weird sexual thing, and also attracts people who are exactly those things.
I wish there were some sort of dating site or something that was only relatively normal, decently well-adjusted people who just happen to have really nerdy hobbies. I often feel like I'm stuck in this weird middle ground between turboautists on one side and normies on the other. It used to work out great for me since I was usually the most socially competent person in the room but nowadays cons are infested with actual normies who make me look like an autist loser in comparison, even if I'm equally far ahead of the actual autists.

>>10787692
>On the other hand, though, it's easy for people to get the wrong idea from it, thinking it means I'm some no-life weirdo with no social skills or something, or that it's a weird sexual thing, and also attracts people who are exactly those things.
well, i feel like filtering them out immediately is the best idea. because while it's true they may be more or less likely to interact with you, it's not as if they're suddenly not going to interact with you just because you didn't disclose it. especially men on dating sites/apps, they will message you regardless. posting lolita or cosplay vets them from the beginning. if they're too close minded not to interact with you, they won't be worth it later anyway. and if they're a disgusting creep, they will let you know from the get go because they'll think you're into it, so you can immediately get rid of them. it's wasting your time otherwise.

>>10787695
Yeah, I guess it's probably true that you can identify them pretty quickly and block them. I'm just somebody who has a hard time getting those kinds of awkward, uncomfortable situations out of my head, honestly it's a big part of why I've been single way longer than I really should have.

>>10787698
i think the real issue is finding someone who actually likes it, cosplay or lolita/jfash. nerds who are into it are more likely to have weird fetishes and normies who are accepting but don't like it at all are more likely to be boring as fuck, or just gritting their teeth because they find you attractive. it's a hard balancing act i think.

>me
>Went to a con and wore my first Coord
>Posted pics online because I wanted concrit
>3 days later
>I'm sitting on my couch scrolling CGL
>Ita thread has new posts
> Palms are sweaty knees weak arms are heavy
>Noticed someone else who posted just before I did in the thread
>Literally sharts out of nervousness
>"Oh fuck did i really just...?"
>Yes I did
>Turns out I wasn't posted After all
>Fin

That one time I literally Shat myself out of fear that I was an ita.

>>10787493
If AP wants to make shoes bigger than 25.5 centimeters and ones that don’t flake, I’ll be their first customer. Until that happens stfu.

i don't want to cosplay anymore because i can't hit on cute girls because i'm married and faithful.
it's just not as fun as it used to be.

>>10787519
every subculture does this, it is part of what makes a meme a meme. its memetic mutations are the point.

>>10787702
it sounds like you’re just stressing yourself out. you’d be better off not checking CGL or the ita thread in the first place, just wear the fashion and stop caring so much about what strangers online think of you. good luck anon

I am a poorfag and have an extremely bad spending addiction and am constantly in an overdraft. I get such fomo for releases (especially non-mtos) and the debt constantly makes me anxious. I really wish I was better at budgeting and not being a piece of shit.
>currently in $1200 debt mostly because I can't control myself buying lolita

>>10787218
>>10787774
You two need to meet up and balance each other out lol

>>10787774
>accumulating credit card debt
cancel your credit cards and use a debit card until you can learn some self-control. if you keep spending money you don't have, then remove your ability to do so.

>>10787264
>>10787774
You two need to meet up and balance each other out

>>10787779
I actually have a student debit card with a high overdraft limit. I'm extremely shit at managing my student loan. I've reduced my overdraft limit to the amount I'm in debt by (so I can't spend anymore) but I shouldn't have been using it for unnecessary purchases in the first place. I have pretty much fucked myself until next term.

>>10787779
accumulating credit card debt will be good in the long run if she's paying the minimum though.

>>10787787
>student loan
Anon... Please, PLEASE, don't spend your student loan money on lolita. You're going to drop out of college because you won't have money for classes. You need to reduce your overdraft limit to 0 as soon as possible.

I'm going to guess you're relatively new to the fashion? Don't get fomo from new releases. They're all garbage. Especially if you're buying AP. Just save money and wait for better things to pop up secondhand. It would probably help if you took a step back and really tried to figure out your style/aesthetic instead of buying everything in sight.

>>10787809
You'd think so but I'm actually over 3 years in deep (not a covidlita), though when there's no classes I have way more time to just wear it more often, check out the markets and keep up to date which can be really bad for my wallet.

>AP
The new releases are trash - its the re-releases that are getting to me (a lot of them have been on my dream list since before I started). I also found 2 high priority dresses 2 months ago and they never pop up secondhand so I had massive fomo I'd never see them again. I saw the photos from Paris and there's nothing I'm interested in fortunately. I'm starting a summer job soon so hopefully I should be able to reduce it before classes, but yeah I really need to get a hold of myself before I graduate. Even when I finish off paying my overdraft, I'm left with nothing and end up in overdraft again and its a really shitty cycle I need to end.

>>10787774
Anon please get help and i mean that in the nicest most caring possible way because i have seen someone go down your path and trust me you don't want to go there. Do like the other anons said and hang in there. I wish you the best, you can do this!

>>10787702
I used to be like you when i was a wee 18 something. The more you grow up the less fucks you give, you just have to come to terms that this is an anon board and anyone can talk shit about you but it doesn't mean anything, it's just strangers making comments on silly poofy dresses. Hope your bloomers are safe and clean now kek

>>10786844
....who hurt you?

>>10787673
Not her but, geez thanks for making fujos even weirder than before. I'm up to my ears in vomit

>>10787847
males did anon.
can't blame her, they are despicable, just look at the threads those coomers shit up the board with

>>10786947
Fucking kek thanks for the laugh blackanon. To be fair those Asian girls probably hate u behind your back.

>>10787851
Okay I'll agree those coomer threads are a plague on this board and the jannies gotta step up or else /cgl/ is gonna turn into /v/. But to blame all men for a couple of shitty degenerate men? It's just not right :(

>>10786947
I feel your pain anon. I'm scared of even getting a social media account for that very reason. I'm just too much like /pol/ that I'm bound to drop a couple of jokes that will get me banned and maybe cost me my job. It's best u get a friend who understands and is alot like u in that regard. If you don't mind, I'm curious to what nation are u a nationalist to

>>10787854
Yeah, and those threads aren't actually being generated at that high of a frequency, they're just sticking around for a long time because /cgl/ is dead as fuck. I also don't really know what people expect, this site is the biggest hive of loser coomers on the internet, the place the whole concept of an incel sprung from, plus it's peak con season so there's tons of coombait going around given the state of cosplay these days, in a way I feel like it's a miracle those threads are only 10% of the board or so and not the whole damn thing.

I'm too stingy for this fashion. Like, I love the look of a lot of pieces, but wooo, does that change when I see the price tag.

Its something I'm slowly trying to work away from, to jump and just get it if its something I genuinely love as a piece, but not yet. Plus, I still am trying to lose the weight first; shouldn't really get a lot of not-basic pieces if I don't/can't fit in them in the first place.

I wish AP would offer extended sizes like Meta. God cursed me by making me tall, and my measurements are currently just at the edge of AP's shirred pieces (I'm working on losing weight).

>>10787702
Don't sweat it. I've been posted a few times. Sometimes tearing into my coord. Sometimes included in groups where people said I was the only well-dressed one. Sometimes coords from the same time-period. Other times people commenting on things that aren't worth changing for a hobby.

People are going to nitpick. People are going to post photos. People are not going to like you. Rest assured that a large portion of /cgl these days are armchair lolitas or larpers. The few that are experienced and have been around for eons tend to not give a shit what others are wearing unless they're a lolcow.

>>10787869
I think it helps to realize that lolita is not a cheap hobby even if you get things second hand.
You can get some nice skirts with fully elasticated waistbands so they'll still fit if you lose weight, same for bloomers and petticoats.
If you don't dislike fully shirred dresses you can go that route as well.
With blouses you're better off just buying something simple that will fit as you are now and taking it in if you've achieved your weight goal and have managed to keep your weight at that goal. There's some adjustments you can make without cutting off fabric, that way the adjustment can be reversible.

I think sewing/alterations and learning how to properly clean lolita pieces are really helpful skills for wearing lolita on a lower budget.

If you decide to cut down on the cost to an extreme, without sacrificing style, I recommend still buying lolita shoes and lolita bags because you can't make those yourself (unless you make tote bags or can do leatherworking).
And then you can make everything else yourself and still look decent IF you actually learn how to sew well and have the eye for it.

The problem with the sewing groups is that 95% of the posts are from people who don't have the eye for lolita and/or can't sew very well. So people think handmade lolita is shit.

I know learning how to sew is time consuming, and you will need a sewing machine and probably a serger too but having the skill CAN save you money.

>>10787888
I wouldn't count on AP doing it. And even if they did japanese brands that offer plus sizes have a tendency to not make them longer as they get wider. So if AP decided to offer extended sizes they would actually need to make their bigger stuff longer.

i find a large number of sweet lolitas embarrassing to see because it seems like just throwing shit that doesn't match together and calling it a coord is passable to them just because it's brightly colored or "kawaii". the taobao sweets especially, it seems like half the dresses that make it overseas onto them are absolute design clusterfucks and the tasteless people who wear them are no better

>>10787108
To anyone who isn't terminally online and marinated in chan culture your post just looks like retarded word salad. Nobody on the chans even knows what degen means anymore.

I hate men who wear lolita because they're always perverts but I badly want my my guy friend to wear lolita with me.

>>10787888
Me too, even just for their blouses or something. Almost without fail their blouses only go up to 67 cm sleeves and most are only like 62. BABY has way way better variety for lengths than AP, they've even done a few specifically "long" variants of a few blouses.

>>10788154
no one needs sleeves longer than 62cm. i say this as a 180cm tall lolita...

>>10788155
Because people taller than you or with different proportions don't exist, anon.

>>10788121
Ooh I really agree on this one. In particular I've been seeing a lot of rainbow pastel cheap garbage because pride month, but quality wise I wouldn't be caught dead in any of it.

i like women who wear lolita because i like the fashion itself and there's also a bigger chance they'll be into something more interesting than just the basic shit. there aren't many where i live however and if there are they're almost always ugly lgbt who hate men or zoomers wearing aliexpress lolita holding hands with their bfs (who i wouldn't even call lolitas, they feel like egirls in different clothes). the contrast between this and what i see on social media is hard to digest...
one more woman-oriented hobby i shouldn't probably have taken interest in.

>>10787869
You can usually make back a good amount of money that you spend though, if you're even somewhat tactical. It's not like normie clothes where you end up selling it for pennies or giving it away, you can actually get back most of what you paid later.

>>10787847
It's statistics.

>>10788250
Oh and this doesn't even include the 95%+ of pedophilia committed by men. There are just so many reasons to hate men!

>>10788248
Yeah it's tough, man. I got into lolita by dating a couple of girls who were into it, but that was way back in the day when lolita and anime shit were a lot closer together in the US and I met both through cosplay. I'd love to date a girl who wore the fashion full time, not just because I enjoy it but because I knew a bunch of "lifestyle" lolitas through my exes and they always seemed way cooler than the weekend warriors, but these days that's hard as hell to find if you're actually looking for it since lolitas are so reluctant to have anything to do with men, especially ones who are interested in the fashion.

>>10788260
Lifestyle lolitas have become increasingly rare imo, probably because of two things;
-the pandemic
-the fashion moving away from more wearable designs/fabrics

but you could probably still meet someone with similar interests (anime, manga, cosplay). and there are still lolitas who also cosplay.

And yeah, lolitas are understandably cautious/on their guard around men who want to have something to do with the lolita community.

>>10788271
>the fashion moving away from more wearable designs/fabrics

This is a big one for me. Whatever happened to simple designs in plain cotton? Big bulky pieces in synthetic fabrics look SO ITCHY.

>>10788293
Prints don't tend to fade as quickly on synthetics, and synthetics are probably a lot cheaper to produce.

I think it all comes down to money in the end.
Producers want a cheaper to manufacture product that will last a long time, but then will sacrifice comfort to do so.

There are other pros to synth fabrics of course but people who actually like wearing lolita fairly regularly they all prefer breathable fabrics.

>>10788307
There are nice synthetics, but very many of APs synthetics are not nice feeling or look badly and the colors come out strange. I'm convinced Fresh Strawberry Diner was a manufacturing error because it makes no sense that it's so muted and sad in the pink colorway. They even edited it to look better in stock images than IRL.

>>10788317
Definitely there are some synthetics that don't have many of the issues the cheaper ones have, but in the end it's still synthetic and isn't going to give the same comfort as cotton does.

one small annoyance of mine is that since the rise of synthetics in lolita fashion there are also a lot more different shades of the same color. It used to be easier to combine brand A's hair accessory in pink with brand B's dress in pink.
But now? A gazillion different pinks.

>>10788322
Agreed on the color thing. Every old school BTSSB item has the same shade of pink and BTSSB cotton prints have consistent colors for pink and brown, etc. But newer AP prints are all over the place in terms of every color but red, and even then sometimes red is wine red without being labeled wine and sometimes it's scarlet or vivid red.

>>10788322
Yeah, sax is all over the place too. "Sax" is apparently anything between cool-toned periwinkle (basically lavender) or greenish mint.

The worst thing is that thing a lot of Taobao brands do where the product photos are always a heavily processed/shooped photoshoot where the model in the dress is frolicking in the woods or fucking with props in a dimly-lit antique shop, instead of just...the dress on a dress form/mannequin, plain background, white light. The colors are fucking all over the place when they do that and I can't stand it.

>>10788326
>>10788322
>>10788329
this was never true. there have always been issues with this even for cotton.

I hope cosplayers who support Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia have a horrible year

>>10788334
then why have so many people commented on this color consistency issue over the last 5 years?

All of my old school items in sax and pink are close enough in color that they can be combined in outfits without it being an issue, even if they don't match 100%.

I am fat and am losing weight just so I can fit into more egl dresses. I'm disgusted every time I try on a dress or check the measurements for a dress I like and I don't fit. Down 20 pounds so far, about 40 to go

>>10788334
Depends on brand and era. Sax in lolita across all brands is frequently "off" and easily confused for mint. Pinks weren't as big of a deal during specific time periods, assuming the garment isn't faded.

Fresh Strawberry Diner and Lovely Toybox are the weirdest pink shades. Also Lovely Poodle or whatever. AP pinks are not at all consistent these days and even if they weren't perfect matches in the past they're far worse nowadays.

>>10788343
Fuck yeah. That's great progress so far. Keep it up!

>>10788343
Congrats anon! Losing weight myself and every time a piece is too tight it makes me hate myself for letting things go over the pandemic instead of doubling down on my exercise routine.

Keep up the good work!

>>10788347
>>10788350
Ily guys thank you so m8vgnsxuch

>>10788341
You want to larp as an old schooler so badly. I have Angelic Pretty dresses from 2003 until now. Not a single pink matches one of the others. The pinks before 2007 match a little closer but don’t lie and say it’s been an issue in the past five years.

I get so much secondhand embarrassment when I open CoF and see someone who has Snow filtered or Facetuned the SHIT out of their photo. Like, Taobao model levels of filtering - to the point where everyone can tell. It’s embarrassing but I don’t know if it’s better or worse than leaving their face unfiltered and ugly.

>>10788260
i would be fine with any j-fashion as long as it's interesting. there's a lot to choose from after all - kogal, decora, mori kei, agejo, himekaji, ryousangata, the list goes on. i'd really love to be with someone cute into this and dress up as well so that i wouldn't look like a complete normie.
cosplayers are obviously more approachable than lolitas but i can't say i'd be fine with them because nowadays most of them are shallow people who buy the costumes for ko-fi money and it's really soulless. i'd have to find someone who actually makes their own costumes which seems to be a rare breed these days. besides most cosplayers are somehow taken anyway.

I love teasing and blueballing men with cosplay

>>10786946
Visiting 4chan made me relapse and I hate it here, but I prefer it over the fake culture Facebook has. Save yourself anon, 4chan isn't worth your mental and physical health.

>>10787888
I am in the same boat. I would like them to at least have consistent sizing because buying their dresses feels like I am playing russian roulette.

>>10788317
The quality of some of their dresses in the last few years borders on taobao quality. Their socks are probably the most upsetting to me, how do you mess up one of the cheapest things you can manufacture?

I absolutely loathe the fact that the convention/cosplay scene is filled with 99% far-left political retards. It’s always been skewed but since covid they’ve been nigh insufferable.

I also hate how much of it (particularly social media) is used by women and men for validation seeking and the idiots who are being used can’t see that.

Though I will say it is nice when you come across someone with a big following who has actual talent and legitimately enjoys what they’re doing as opposed to the aforementioned who use their body and face. Or if male, their skinny-packs.

>>10788250
>>10788251
thats what no pussy does to a mf, lmao

>>10788438
I feel that for the badly photoshopped backgrounds. They are trying to be like old GLB adverts but just look so cringe.

>>10788155
I'm only 173 and I definitely look better in sleeves 65+ but I have really long arms and legs. My favorite BTSSB blouse has 72cm sleeves and looks great on me.

>>10788480
>i'd have to find someone who actually makes their own costumes which seems to be a rare breed these days
This is so fucking weird to me. When I got into cosplay the crafting side of it was the main point of the hobby and people were ridiculed for buying stuff, to the point that even just a few years ago a lot of the first patreon/onlyfans cosplayers would lie about making their own stuff to try and get taken seriously, and then all of a sudden nobody cared anymore and costume making as a hobby evaporated overnight. Cosplay really isn't even the same thing anymore and it really bums me out.

>>10788343

Good luck anon!! I'm super bad and kept yo-yoing after falling for fad diets. Though I'm just sticking to basics and tracking calories now, and I keep telling myself "losing weight is cheaper than altering". Down 20lbs since January, and I'm in the normal BMI range rather than overweight now (I think BMI is accurate for me but I agree it's not the best measure by a long shot).

>>10788651
Well done anon.
And I agree with avoiding fad diets. Just do what works for you, and what continues to work for you in the long term.

>>10788343
Me too! Happy for you, nonna. We're about the same in terms of how much we need to lose in total, but I'm only 15lbs down. Lolita really is great motivation.

>>10788596
i can relate anon. back then all you needed was your grandmother's sewing machine, some dedication and a convention near you. what you need now is a good location, a photographer bf or money to pay one, money for a costume and marketing skills. im tired. i feel like as a weeb i should be very into cosplay but i somehow just cant deal with this crap...

>>10788820
because it's not cosplay anymore, just social media shit.

>>10786823
I was a weirdo at 14 years old, can confirm that a lot of kids do weird shit to jerk off.
Wouldn't surprise me if the kid was into his sister

>>10786796
You're only making it seem weirder for yourself and anyone you date. Especially since it's not an occasional thing.

>>10787075
For me I find that having at least one lolita picture weeds most creeps out because they assume that you're into ddlg and open with, "hey princess" or the like. I mix lolita in with a bunch of other alt fashion, normal dudes just think I cosplay or have a crazy fashion sense.

>>10787264
you should find something else to do anon...

>>10787497
okay, now we all know you're larping, new or pretending you have more than you actually do. I've had AP bags start flaking in storage. In my cool, dark closet filled with air bags to maintain shape. If you use many of APs soft leather bags they start to flake at the handle with moderate use after 6 months.

>>10787514
I just had to look them up, as far as I can see none of their stuff is replica, but made to go with specific prints. I think it's a pretty good idea.

my confession is I rarely wear headbows. I know it's irrational as normies think I'm weird either way but wearing a giant bow or headdress on my head really makes me feel like a dork in a costume. I only wear them at meets or when I plan on taking coord pics

>>10788651
Good going! I'm also losing weight, down 25 lb from my highest weight (Although the last 5 were due to COVID, I expect the progress will slow down). I have about 15 lb more to go before I'm satisfied. GL!

i started browsing after going to my first con ever last year, the relentless hatred for fat people by the fujos made me want to try to lose weight. I'm down 50lbs and and i still want to lose more

I use roleplay websites to roleplay situations I know I would never get into or most likely will never get into regarding costumes

>>10789094
Good on you anon but why the fuck would you give a flying shit about what fujos think?

>>10789094
Hell yeah fuck being a fatty, we got this

>>10788894
It crossed my mind.
My mom was friends with another woman who had a daughter and a son. My mom started bringing us over to this woman's house when I was 8 and my brother and I became friends with her kids.
Years later when we were teens we were still friends with them but I got this really weird vibe as it seemed the brother was constantly perving on his older sister and making stupid jokes about her.
The sister told me her brother had taken her underwear more than once.

>>10789346
i subconsciously crave the approval of bitter women. i got mommy issues i think

I crave cosplay attention and I get green with envy when I see people with massive follower counts that don't sew their costumes or make their wigs have massive counts. I justify it to myself as "they didn't put the effort in, what are they showing off?" Shit's honestly gatekeeping but idc, there's too many people in the field that just treat it as halloween and just do FOTM chars.

i've been thinking hard about transitioning to just sewing plain garments because it seems a lot more rewarding, but the anime/fantasy outfits are so much more interesting than actual menswear. That, and figuring out some retarded design and making a good real life copy feels insanely rewarding. seriously, why the fuck are all menswear a variation of collar button downs, tshirts, and blazers?

I use lolita fashion in my clown looks. I think it looks good fit with my face paint, plus its a fashion known to be associated with bozos. You never catch me dressed up at a convention either, I've seen what kinda freaks gravitate towards cosplayers , no thanks!

>>10789995
Lor?

>>10789996
Nope

I used to be a self conscious bitter cunt who laughed when people made fun of people, as soon as I stopped I started getting more friends and followers.

>>10786900
There's a chrome extension called hide lace market scalpers

made a gyaru fatspo thread on twitter and it got almost instantly removed for "encouraging self-harm"

conclusion: being a gyaru fatty is self-harm

Just broke up with a toxic cheating ex who got off by me wearing lolita and would force me to wear lolita while wearing sex. (Never allowed that, shit is expensive)Found out later he forced his ex to wear children's clothes and would buy her lolita if she lost weight. Glad it's over but I have sense of shame not breaking it off sooner.

>>10786844
Based

>>10786844
Based

>>10790010
how does it feel to be an absolute piece of shit

>>10790056
If this is a guy who runs in lolita circles you should put him on blast. At least tell all of your friends and anyone in your local com who will listen.
It's going to be really awkward if he manages to date another lolita.

>>10790117
It's already awkward because my ex's sibling is in the same com so I'm just going to tell only my lolita friends. Keep them out of it. He goes after girls who wear lolita ( or makes them wear it) and who are short. So if anyone asks how tall are you or says only likes you because you're short please run. He also has my 1000 dollar package of lolita brand and he hasn't responded at all for weeks now on how he's going to forward it to me. I'm scared he's gotten rid of it.

>>10790844
Holy shit he's a trash human being.
I hope you get your package anon.
Is there a possibility you can get to his place with some friends (as backup) when your ex is home to get your package?
If he says he already sent it then get the tracking number and check it on the spot.

He makes my creeper alarm go off.
I used to be prime neckbeard bait (I realized it when I was mid twenties) and my first bf (I was 16) was into me because I looked very young for my age. I'm also short and had a baby face until my mid thirties. He would say that I was cute and his ideal gf. I'm not pretty though, I just looked underdeveloped.
I found CP on his computer.
He was also much older than me. Pretty sure he was 25 or 26 when we started dating.

>>10790855
Yeah he's been a pain because I don't want to talk to him. The plan is if he doesn't answer go to his house.
I relate to being neckbeard bait. Honestly this situation for a short minute made me want to wear lolita less but then I remembered I still look really young either way. I just need to catch the red flags sooner

>>10790866
I started dating my first bf before I started wearing lolita fashion so I agree that if you look young you will look young in any fashion. It's not worth giving up on a beloved hobby.

Filtering through potential partners is always going to be difficult.

>>10786844
Women do not have fully functional brains. You are not human beings. You do not deserve rights, and are property of the strong. Now spread those legs sweety for a big strong man, or else.

>>10788988
I relate to this so much, I have one single flat headdress style headbow that I can wear and that's it. I always felt like a giant baby or a cosplayer whenever I tried regular head-eating bows.

>>10791329
>ingle flat headdress style headbow
Do you have an example of what it looks like?

>>10791331
Pulled these off lolibrary - it's this style of headdress, I have one from IW and the bow sits flush against the head. I find that they look better with some volume in my hair still, but they're much more flattering on me than regular head bows!

>>10791504

>>10791504
Oh yeah, I do like this style. Do you wear other headwear or is this your staple?

>>10791507
This AP stock image for an unrelated head bow is similar to how they look worn

>>10791508
I do! I mostly wear rectangle headdresses or ribbon combs, and occasionally reach for berets, hats/mini hats and soft bonnets with a short brim for less casual coords

>>10791511
What kind of hats do you like other than berets?

>>10788988
I really like Baby's huge bows. I didn't think they'd look good on me when I first started lolita, but I got my hair cut to chin length and I have a ton of super thick hair and it balances out the volume.

I hate UTKs so so so damn much. They always cut off people's legs and feature their weird knobbly knees. I hate them. Even in old school. OTKs are so flattering. There is NO reason not to wear them.

>>10791592
Agreed. It's even worse if the person wearing them is already short, it makes their legs look even more stumpy.

>>10791654
Yes! And it emphasizes the widest part of their calf, making their legs look huge!

I confess I spent too much money on a really nice headpiece when I was supposed to be saving up for an event. It's so prettyyy thoughhh

>>10791519
Mostly mini hats (I know), sometimes I'll wear a straw boater or a sailor hat. I own picrel as well, it looks pretty cute worn even though it's basically a downscaled bowler hat.

>>10791592
Do you even hate utks on brand models with nice legs?

>>10791834
Yes, I do. All contexts. I hate it. The closest I get to not hating it is if the dress is long enough to cover her knees. Even then it only takes out half of my hate to just solid dislike.

>>10791892
Bad opinion

>>10791894
No u

>>10791592
I hate OTKs. They make coords look unbalanced and just show off people's thigh fat.

>>10791592
UTKs look great sometimes when you're wearing a shorter dress but trying not to look like a zettai ryouiki skank. Showing the knees somehow makes it look a little more modest than thigh-highs

>>10791897

All of my dresses and skirts are knee length so you wouldn't see any of the top lace if I wore OTKs. I only have bloomers that are almost knee length so those would also cover OTKs. That's why I usually don't wear OTKs.

Most people's upper legs are a lot more squishy than their lower legs so most of the time you would see a dent where the OTKs end and the thigh fat begins even on slim people. Dent may not be the right word for it, so maybe "slight OTK muffin top"? It happens when the top of the sock is tighter than the sock material below it.
Can be severe on fat people but still present on slim people. I prefer a smooth line, I know it's an unreasonable nitpick and unreasonable expectation to make of OTK wearers but still.