/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10749395
Good god OP

Discuss:
>New releases
>General Drama
>Any plans for Easter coords?

Meta just announced new Strawberry Dress that comes in two varieties and in two sizes.

Innocent World is having an Instagram Live event on the 18th

Question for you gulls:
>You have total access to every dress/etc to make your dream Easter coord, what do you pick?

>>10751529
Nakayoshi Bunny, too bad it'll be ages

>>10751531
With or without the gay little bonnet?

>>10751533
Well it's more fun to wear a gay little bonnet, so with obv

>>10751529
You had an opportunity to avoid this
Sorry

>>10751529
I pick marshmallow bunny. It's been one of my favorite prints since I was a teen.

>>10751529
Fuck yes updates like this are the only reason I visit this godforsaken site bc I don't have time to visit every brand's social media every day

Nakayoshi is a top tier choice, I'm also font of bunny pocket and holy theatre. What I actually own is mercator, so she's gonna have another day on the town this Easter.

>>10751529
>You have total access to every dress/etc to make your dream Easter coord, what do you pick
Rococo bouquet

I love how Mana being seen as patron saint is still a thing among jp gothic lolitas.
https://twitter.com/AyanoCentipedes/status/1513815061701468166

>>10751529
>You have total access to every dress/etc to make your dream Easter coord, what do you pick?
Happy Garden. More specifically, the Going Out set. It's just so cute!

any regular japonica market users here?
have you noticed anything off about their service in the last few weeks?

they cost me 2 different listings from dropping the ball and have gone silent updating my order status. their replies are really short/vague. I've been using them for over 6 years and never had a problem until now

>>10751641
None of these coords would be good, brown shoes with a cream bag and cheap lace tights? At least throw in a brown bag or some cream shoes

>>10751804
They're still pretty fast buying things for me (usually within 30 minutes or so and even outside of their working hours sometimes) but my last couple orders they've been extremely slow when it comes to actually shipping them out, stating an influx of orders as the reason.

>>10751843
found the sweet

Did uniqlo copy this print from Jane Marple?

>>10751804
I have, I partially stopped using them after their customer service went down

>>10751868
Why do you think its a copy, not that its a commercially available fabric?

>>10751879
I asked a question, how do you know what I think? Does Jane Marple use commercially available fabric or are you suggesting Uniqlo used fabric from a company that copied from Jane Maple? I don't know what's why I'm asking here

>>10751879
I asked a question, I didn't state what I think. Does Jane Marple use commercially available fabric or are you suggesting Uniqlo used fabric from a company that copied from Jane Maple instead of using their own fabrics? I don't know that's why I'm asking here

Or is it a common print that lots of brands have used in different art styles. Pic related is from JM and does look slightly different
>>10751891

>>10751868
Dude that's a Paul & Joe collab and it's their own design, they've been releasing items with this design forever

>>10751868
This print is from Uniqlo’s collab with Paul and Joe. The latter often make prints in this style.

>>10751843
No.

>>10751641
Good fucking taste my dude

>>10751846
They aren't one of us, brown shoes with pink/red/gingham is traditional as apple pie

>>10751641
Why are you making me fall in love with rococo bouquet

>>10751967
sorry for the mistake then! anon must just be a newfag.

Seems like BTSSB's designers were on some show recently?
>https://twitter.com/BABY_THE_STARS/status/1514550094456311817/

>>10751897
>>10751898
It still looks too similar to the JM print to be a coincidence

>>10752080
If anything it's JM that copied them, they basically started out as a Vivienne Westwood knockoff brand

>>10752083
Possibly but the JM print came out earlier, unless the Uniqlo one is a re-release

>>10752098
Paul & Joe (who the print is from, this is a Uniqlo collaboration) has been doing this print forever, like other anon said above

>>10752098
Oh yeah, I believe this P&J print existed before the collab - it's just one of their standard patterns

>>10751845
>>10751876
I'm going to switch to a new SS.

I wanted to call them out so bad when they took 5 fucking days to order something and it sold to someone else because of it. With Japanese companies, you can't just bluntly ask them what's up or to fix something.

So yeah if anyone is looking for a Japanese SS, I don't recommend trying Japonica first

What do you nonnys think of Axes Femme coming out with an official lolita line?

>>10752373
Axes femme kawaii have been doing lolita stuff for ages. this isn't new.

>>10752373
Axes Femme Kawaii has been around for years. Are you ok anon? Did you wake up from a coma?

>>10752464
Nah I just ignore anything that isn't AP, BABY, and Meta desu I apologize

>>10752373
Ok I've been gone too long and have been wondering; what the fuck does "nonny" mean?

>>10752543
its just a goofy way of saying anon

Firs time CGL poster, so basicall I'm running a few after party events for Comicon London in May, and I'm committing to the fact I'm gonna maid it up for fun on the night.

Any go to websites where the quality is better? I'm kinda expecting that unless I'm spending £200+ In gonna get that Alibaba quality and feel.

>>10752566
meido isn't lolita you faggot.

>>10752569
Looks that way from the outside you trash heap of a human.

I'm guessing the lolita crowd know where to get a good fucking dress is the main point of this.

>>10752570
insulting the demographic you're relying on won't help you kek. go find your fetish trash elsewhere.

>>10752570
go dilate

>>10752566
You need to find out your measurements in cm (chest, waist, hips, and shoulders). If you're a guy you'll have a hard time fitting most Japanese brands. You'll probably have to look for "plus-sized" pieces. Also, if your event is in May you're going to struggle to get something shipped to you in time.

This is a plus size dress that might work for you. You'd still need to get a maid headdress.
cdjapan.co.jp/product/ NEOAPP-43356

t b h you'll probably get better results asking in the cosplay general. They might be able to point you to a western seller who could have your costume shipped to you on time.

>>10752648
completely genuinely and unironically, kill yourself.

>>10752648
fuck off

>>10751706
Some years I wore the regular happy garden skirt to church for Easter vigil . It is so cute

>>10752570
Ignore the trolls ITT, going with Milanoo will be your safest bet.

>>10752710
This. I've had nothing but good experiences with them and the quality is good for what you get.

>>10752570
begone normie

>>10751876
>>10752155
Which other SS should i use? I'm waiting for them to update me on a skirt I've been searching for a couple of years. It's still not bought on mercari so thinking of sending it to another SS now

>>10752570
Alixpress is great for all your lolita maid cosplay needs!

yo, wtf is happening on btssb/aatp's website? It has zero items on it suddenly. Is the san fran store closing or something?

>>10752946
Why do you guys always jump to weird conclusions and not like oh they fucked up something on the site.

God you are stupid

>>10752946
Always make sure to read their blog posts if you're confused about something

>>10752950
>>10752952
welp, I should have paid more attention.

>>10752566
Maybe check out Devil Inspired? Fast, easy shipping, good quality and good prices.

>>10753067
newfag spotted

>>10753311
It was obviously sarcasm

>>10753311
dude is asking for maid dresses retard.

>>10752543
lurk more nonny

So, does anyone know how many hours Antique Beast was open? Did you get anything? It's the second sale I wanted to at least look at, maybe not buy anything, that I completely missed. The first was Mossbadger divination skirts.

>>10753750
I set up email alerts but didn't receive an email. I'm confused, do they sell out/shut down again in minutes?

>>10753753
They were open the 16th. I saw it on Lolita Updates too. Looking at the website, it happened, we missed it.

>>10753750
You can always look at their site. It was open for 2 hours, but they dont hide the items you can buy.

>>10753824
I'll have to look more closely next time. And I will browse there. They're great inspiration for things to go with fancy trims.

New Moitie releases this Friday, 22nd April
Lily Lace JSK
Price: 39,609 yen

Colours:
>Ivory x Ivory
>Young grass x white
>Black x blue
>Black x black

https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1516659426983387137

They are also releasing the matching Lily Lace Bonnet on the same day.
Price: 13,200 yen

https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1516659930190647299

>>10754235
They're going down clolita lane too now aren't they

>>10754235
They shredded grandma's good couch for this, didn't they?

>>10754235
it’s like an infinitely worse version of this 2007 jsk…

>>10754235
>young grass
eugh

>>10754254
do chinese lolitas even care about mmm tho? i don't think i've seen even one gothic chinese gothic lolita, just a million classic and sweet, hence why there's so few taobao brands that even release gothic dresses

>>10754319
chinese lolitas don't seem to care about real gothic lolita, just a weird version of it, that's probably why anon thinks this is catering to them, it's more similar to their version of it.

>>10754319
No, but this doesn't look like usual MMM it's leaning into that classic/sweet market to catch the girls who will spend the $$

>>10754235
Very basic but it's cute. Just as long as the material has some good weight to it and isn't thin i don't see why everyone hates it? My only gripe is that this is such an odd colourway for MMM to release, there's no way it appeals to normal moitie fans.

>>10754289
The ribbon trim at the neckline and the bustle really ups the cuteness factor. I do wish the new release had a bustle too.

>>10754235
I think it's cute, but it is sad to see the lack of detail on it compared to that 2007 release. I won't be getting it as I just spent a bunch of money on Antique Beast.

In any event, the colorway isn't new to Moitie. It's not a common one, but they've done a few blouses and a couple of main pieces in the color combination before. It's very pretty.

https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-small-flower-embroidery-op

https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-cross-original-lace-pin-tucked-blouse

https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-pin-tucked-frill-cardigan

https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-rose-lace-frilled-jsk

https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-voile-lace-blouse

>>10754357
>>10754376
Newfags confirmed.

>>10754413
I think it's really pretty for a spring/summer coord but not for the price that they're asking. Maybe I'd consider it when it goes on sale.
The lack of details on Nu-moitie has been a constant disappointment.

>>10754416
More like 'so old that Harpsichord Trio seems like a new release capitalizing on the JetJ art print classic trend'

>>10754416
it's still nu-mmm, it looks nothing like their older stuff, especially the awful colors.

>>10754413
I literally keep forgetting that moitie have released things in this colon because I don't follow anybody doesn't wear gothic.

This shit is so cute, I especially love the hot air balloon buttons at the waist ties

>>10754821
My eyes are always dragged towards the two together on the swing

>>10754821
I was thinking about getting it..but the bf talked me out of it. It kind of looks like a mess holistically design wise, but it is cute.

>>10754872
your bf is a moron with no taste.

>>10754434
Anon literally read 3 posts up >>10754413

>>10754874
Nah anon. I looked at it for a while and realized, it is a mess design wise. It doesn't look that good from far away and it's far too faded for most of the designs. The print they show on the website is way more vivid than the actual dress.

It looks faded on top of being cluttered.. lol

>>10751876
Same here. They also sent another gulls AP dress to the wrong person which really put me off.

>>10755010
Did they actually? That's an amateur move.

>>10754886
Pastel baby prints like this always look washed out on their stock photos I find. Kumya’s Twinkle Cosmetics in sax was way more saturated irl.

I really love the black colourway. Both jsks are still available so I’m debating it. Tenshi mentioned a store-limited navy colourway though which intrigues me more, I’m a slut for navy baby prints

Does anyone remember the young japanese lolita? Is she still on social media? She used to wear almost exclusively AP and sometimes she matched with her mother. She used to go by capricious frill or something along those lines. She was known from that childrens rooms from around the world photo series.

>>10757201
I know who you're talking about, but I refuse to google "japanese lolita child", so you're outta luck

>>10757218
I found her. Her name was frilly capricious and it led to a locked twitter account that says she no longer wears the fashion. Bummer, I always thought her posts were so cute.

>>10757245
She’s got to be a teenager now, so she might not like the fashion like she did as a little girl. I thought it was adorable that her mom would make the dresses for her out of the skirts. But I can also imagine getting older and thinking it’s too childlike. I was obsessed with seeming grown up as a teen.

>>10757201
Was that the girl whose home burned down and she made a post with a sad ash covered kumya?

>>10757245
She came back to Instagram I think even though it says she's "graduated from the fashion".

>>10757253
I'm pretty sure that's the idol girl who used to have a big mole on her face

would anybody know where to get utks like picrel? i'm also open to getting normal utks and just sewing wristcuffs onto them - it's just that the stripes are way too thick on most common blackxwhite striped socks
didn't want to necro the stupid questions thread, sorry

>>10751876
I think they’re just flooded with orders at this point. Last time they didn’t inform me that they had bought an item and took a couple more days to make the invoice.
I wonder what caused the influx of orders they’re getting, I don’t even think they’re accepting orders from new people at the moment.

I’m coming back to lolita after a while and am finding the clothes to be very expensive. Has the secondhand market rate gone up? Or am I just looking in the wrong places? Haven’t used Y!J auctions yet. I bought a few items from closet child.

>>10758215
I mean, the global economy is a mess right now because there’s a war going on. What did you expect?

>>10758222
Theres been a war going on for decades anon whats so different

>>10758215
Lolita boomed when COVID hit so unfortunately everything is more expensive

>>10758263
... the pandemic?

>>10758215
i think its also just new releases have sucked for many brands over the past couple years or so, and when an actually good dress comes out everyone wants it so it holds it value for reselling too.
there are plenty of newer releases that I never see popup secondhand
then general trends of now everyone is into old school, original moitie and "golden age" ap now so all those prices have blown up

>>10758263
This time white people are getting killed so the war is more important

How can I find lolita related happenings and events in Japan? what are some search tags I can use to find them? My Japanese is mediocre but I want to try going to markets and the like.

>>10758368
Hell, even the prices for MM have reached new heights. VM too, to a lesser extent.

I have nowhere else to post this but here
the most scottish post I ever did see

>>10760606
sounds like an american larping a scot. why would anyone even want to do that

>>10760612
Reminds me of the scandal where nearly every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia was written by an American teenager and nobody cared for years

>>10757253
That’s the mole girl mentioned here >>10757280

Her mother forces her to wear lolita and to become an idol. She shoves the poor girl in front of well known people such as Misako and Tokyo Fashion to sponge off them. The mom gives me bad vibes and will redirect conversations to only talk about herself and her daughter.

I decided to take a look at the Bodyline website for the first time in ages. Found a couple of bargains but when I went to checkout, I couldn't select the 'P-mail' option. Anyone know about this? There doesn't seem much point in spending more on shipping than the items themselves. Is there a way round it? Have I missed something?

>>10760424
Not sure it's exactly what you're looking for, but there's a closed FB group for English-speaking lolitas in Tokyo. You'll need to provide proof of residence/tickets to get accepted

Okay, this is not really a lolita question but I am having a total mental blank and hope you gulls can help.

What was the style that got big around the same time as mori-kei which was more into rich jewel tones but otherwsie kind of similar in vibe?

>>10761594
they stopped offering pmail because of the pandemic and then never brought it back

>>10761612
dolly kei?

>>10761612
grimoire?

>>10761622
Thanks anon. I hope they come up with some cheaper shipping options or deals at some point, it's probably putting off a lot of overseas buyers.

Did those whores at AP USA ever find our missing items or what? They could've refunded us if not, the stuff I want is still on the JP site

>>10761623
>>10761672
Thanks anons. I think it must have been dolly kei.

How often does BTSSB drop their old school rereleases?

>>10761761
It’s not AP US’s fault. Blame the shitty postal service. The US uses couriers which are worse than what a third world country has. I wish I was joking.

>>10761882
As someone who buys stuff online all the time from so many countries, USPS is far superior than most private postal services. I've had multiple issues with other postal services outside of the US and UPS or FedEx. DHL is more reliable but rare issues with customs for them like multiple times having packages get so destroyed during customs they had to be repackaged by DHL and I was notified of it.

But with USPS as soon as it gets on American soil zero issues most of the time. And domestically zero issues. Maybe a bit slower back at the peak of the pandemic but even when mail in voting was taking up a ton of resources a package from California took maybe a week and a half instead of a week. I live in a major city though and I have had a shitty USPS driver for my neighborhood back in high school but it was one person who consistently did poorly, while everyone else was fine.

>>10761882
AP USA charges so much for insurance though. They should refund us the money or start charging less for shipping

>>10761888
As an online seller I've always felt USPS gets unfairly shit on. I've had far fewer problems with them than any other service

>>10761990
This. Like yes there are occasional fuck ups but rarely is it due to the postal service and most often in my neighborhood has to do with porch pirates and stolen postal keys from carriers getting robbed at gunpoint. Even with that I haven't had a package stolen or lost almost ever with USPS because I live in an apartment that has secure package storage rooms. Other carriers manage to fuck shit up way more than USPS somehow even when controlling for that. The anti USPS sentiment is not really warranted.

>>10751804
I use japonica but it's been shitty for a while. My old SS stopped working completely. Japonica loses me anything that is popular or a good price. They're definitely slow but reliable

>>10762005

Jumping on the USPS bandwagon to say USPS is always so gentle with my packages and makes sure to hide them behind my furniture on deck. Meanwhile DHL just fucking chucks it in the general direction of my address. I really do like them and the number of quality of life services they have for free or cheap is astounding.

>>10761990
NAH, fuck them. Their tracking sucks and they've lost two of my past three packages

>>10762114
Agreed. The amount of times I've seen my package sit at my local post office for days for no reason or even get misplaced for weeks is infuriating. I've never had any other service leave a package past the estimated delivery day, even during the height of COVID, and their tracking is always precise, but with USPS my packages go days without updates and I've had packages arrive a week past their estimated delivery. I'll use them for orders within the US to save money but I go for Fedex and DHL for international packages to save myself from stress.

>>10762320
This. Fedex has awful service where I'm at so I use DHL for anything I care about and EMS for everything else. I've had things get lost but it's never the fault of my local USPS. While my local branch is fine, USPS as a whole is garbage and I only use them when I have to.

ripped from btb, not sure where it goes but got a hearty kek. how are my fellow caregiver littles today?

>>10762353
Cranky, daddy hasn't changed my crinkle winkle thong diaper yet.

I give up.
I came to this board to be a sex pest because there are women here and a board about women taking about their cosplays could only be sensual right?
Wrong.
It's equal parts boring and cringe and even the threads about posting bad cosplays and laughing at them are boring because they're bad in boring unspectacular ways.
The pics of the girl dressed in realistic KLK outfit were decent but nothing else interesting was seen during my sojourns to this board.
I give up, I see the errors of my essays and I will become a gay as penance.
Now I will browse this one last thread and then go to sleep forever from boredom.

>>10751613
Oh yeah btw just look for some Twitter or insta that posts new releases and need and subscribe or set up an RSS to your email, then your won't have to come here at all
Off to die now goodbye

>>10761882
What? If it's shipping from the manufacturer, it's likely they do it by boat way ahead of schedule.

>>10762370
You fucking mong. Kys you "sensual" scrote.

>>10762331
NAYRT but I also only use DHL or UPS now.

USPS has sent me packages with gaping holes, sometimes with items broken or missing from falling out, crushed or soaking wet boxes, or, my favorite, they constantly put my items in the wrong mailbox or at wrong house. My favorite is when the packaging somehow got so destroyed by them that the item literally flew out of the box and it's a 50/50 change that I still get the item in their We're Sorry bag or if I get the empty packaging shoved into my mailbox with nothing inside.

9/10 times I pay for full insurance and get signature confirmation and this still happens. Sometimes they even lie and say I signed for something when I didn't. It is such a pain in the ass trying to file for a missing package as well. Every time it takes forever and the person helping me seems like they don't even know how to do their job. Fedex once lost a package of mine too. I have a doorcam and they never delivered it. It was a huge box. But the tracking said delivered so they did nothing about it.

UPS and DHL have been incredible. I have yet to get an obliterated box and the few times UPS delivered to the wrong house, they reimbursed me. Never had an issue with DHL ever.

Fuck USPS. Fedex was usually okay but that one time my package vanished in thin air made me not trust them anymore.

Did Japonica always ask for VAT/ Tax ID number for shipping? I'm using surface.

>>10763683
I think it might be required for seamail in Japan, the only times I've had to provide it were when I used funabin

>>10762616
UPS delivered $10,000 worth of furniture to my house by just dropping it near my door without notifying me.

I am trying to get a dress shiped from Canada to Europe, I can't find an option cheaper than 78usd for a 1kg package and the untracked goes for 50usd which I find outrageous. I checked Canada Post, FedEx, DHL. Canada post offers the 78usd method. Am I missing something here? Which service you Canadians use for ship internationally?

>>10763698
You're not missing anything, shipping prices from Canada to Europe are just retarded.

>>10763687
What the fuck

>>10763687
They have, on multiple occasions, bent important documents in half to shove them into our mailbox…

>>10763683
You’re the customer right? You wouldn’t have a VAT number to provide. Japonica has to provide theirs if you’re a crumpet.

>>10763686
It’s not required if you aren’t shipping to the UK.

>>10763927
It was required when they were shipping my items to Russia

>>10763928
I wasn’t aware Russia required it too so I’ll make a mental note of it. The UK insists on VAT info since Brexit and I thought that was the only country that did.

>>10763698
Sorry, it is expensive. I nearly cried when sending a blanket from Canada to Europe

>>10763927
>>10763686
I have no idea why they require this now when I used surface plenty of times with them and never asked. In fact, I ordered some shit through Buyee for my sister and they didn't ask for anything at all.
>>10763928
I am from South America, the only way to ship here is surface or private couriers. They offered me DHL but they asked for VAT too...
They wrote this at the end, not sure it applies to my case.

>UK & EU/EEA compliance will be strengthened.
We received a warning from UK Customs regarding the underreporting of the invoice declaration price.
>You cannot underreport.
>We have to declare the full value example as follows.

>Japan Post will not accept postal items without EAD effective June 20, 2022.
https://www.post.japanpost.jp/int/ead/index_en.html

>>10764079
Well, fuck... There goes my money, I have a $700 parcel sitting in their warehouse that I've been putting off sending, thinking I could always lower its value as normal

>>10764079
I’m sorry they’re asking for a VAT number now. How would you get one if you aren’t a business?

The EAD is their electronic label that’s required to ship to certain countries. It’s the sellers responsibility to fill it out but it’s easier than handwriting the labels and customs forms.

>>10763687
Im from Canada so my only option from Tenso is DHL right now. The boxes often come really beat up with dents and holes. Once I got a package that was completely soaked. Good thing everything in it was wrapped individually in plastic.. This sort of thing never happened with EMS. We also get hit with customs 100% of the time with DHL, and with EMS it was only when you were unlucky.

>>10764246
Cause DHL is charging you a fee for using their service period. Current lawsuit over it. Its not actually always “customs”

>>10764241
Nayrt but it's either VAT or TIN, which every legal resident should have

>>10764254
That’s the TIN. VAT or VATID are for businesses.

>>10764079
>I am South America
Fuck, are you for real? I've been avoiding burning my money buying from Japan because shipping from there has gotten legitimately cancerous during and after covid. I can't even buy from bodyline for fuck's sake. Well, good to know things are still horrible.
I just want a couple of blouses please I refuse to buy from crappy indie or polyester taobao leftovers from itas.

>>10764267
Yes, and they require either one, so OP should be able to provide her TIN with no issues

>>10764079
So Japonica now must declare the full value + get some kind of tax number from you? Ffs. I'm jealous of Americans with their high threshold.

>>10761603
0 posts in a month, I can only imagine this is only the norm now since Covid?

>>10764079
This anon again. After questioning Japonica on why they needed VAT now when they never asked before and some more frustrating exchanges(ESL vs ESL) turns out I could provide just my ID.

>>10764321
Yen is low now and surface shipping is affordable(A package of 5kg cost me 43 bucks when prior covid, shipping 5kg via SAL would have been like 80 or 90) It takes at the very least 3 months though.

secrets

>>10761603
You don’t need to provide this kind of proof, wth. That comm is no longer active anyway.

>>10765356
Need to be a resident or tourist arriving soon. Don’t need to show a residence card or tickets though. Not having meets because Japan is still strict on Covid.

What's you guys' favorite dress cuts?

for me personally:
>old school style OPs with detachable sleeves
>simple square necklines, tea length dresses

pic unrel

>>10765430
I like the old school ones too, and anything with a longer bodice.
>Least favorite: sack op

>>10765367
Tell me you aren’t in Japan a little more. The restrictions let up months ago and there have been events and tea parties held outside of the comm.

>>10765430
I love it when JSKs have some sort of front panel like this! It just makes the whole dress look more interesting.

>>10765356
So they don't do meetups anymore?

>>10765487
Does your comm not allow anyone to make a meet?

Would a leather jacket or something fit with a dress or not? Thinking about getting one.

>>10765430
OPs with yokes and peter plan collars, and collared/yoked JSK. I just love the contrast of straight/structured lines and floof

>>10765749
Which dress? Aatp had some rider jackets that were very unpopular kek. but there aren’t many dresses a leather jacket would fit with and it would mostly look better without

>>10765749
Leather jackets are common in modern sweet, brands have even put some put im the past and AP released some last year, but they're usually in bright colors to match the coord and have cute decorative details. An actual normie leather jacket would look out of place.

This new Baby print reminds me of Classic Fairytale by AP

>>10765939
I love the concept & the artwork but the print up on the bodice makes it look very busy, especially in the lighter colorways, so idk if I'm crazy about it. This cut is great tho, immediately reminded me a little bit of of Bambi de la Forêt Secrete JSK I picrel

>>10765947
I quite like that cut that they do, I've noticed they've done it a few times already!

>>10765947
I agree that the lighter colorways look more busy though

Could anyone recommend where to buy oldschool style solid black or white/off-white otk socks with quality lace? The indie ones seem kinda crappy (but I'm open to any), the Meta raschel lace ones don't look that great close up (apart from the black ones perhaps), and the btssb ones seem really basic for the price?

Maybe I'm just being a fussy bitch but I'm not feelin' it. I want to keep living my oldschool dreams.

>>10765939
I always love apple prints, but it's too Disney like for me (plus not a fan of gold). The little squirrels and dwarf train are so cute though

>>10766058
I don't know what you expect from a pair of old school socks if you think baby's are too basic. I have their torchon lace utks and otks in multiple colors and I own duplicate pairs of some because of how often I wear them throughout a single week. $20-30 is a good price for quality staples.

>>10766058
What kind of socks are you looking for if you don’t like the traditional old school ones from brands? Innocent World has OTKs that may be simple enough. AP also has ones that are a solid colour with lace at the top although their logo is slapped on it.

>>10766153
I think I've just been spoilt by much earlier releases, some of my socks are over 15 years old and the lace is cotton, multi layered and beautifully detailed.

I'm an old fart and massively out of touch with modern releases. My expectations are probably a bit skewed.

I don't think the btssb ones are bad or overpriced, they just seem pretty basic.

>>10766180
For me, the lace layering (as apposed to a single band of lace) and detailing is what's missing in many releases.

The plain moitie ones are beautiful but I keep missing them before they sell out. Thankfully there are some ATELIER-PIERROT otks still in stock that look more my style.

I've been wearing certain lace otk socks from my collection for nearly 18 years (no joke!), so I'm well overdue for some wardrobe replenishing.

Does anyone have a stock photo, or even own, that ridiculous Taobao dress from a few years ago (maybe around 2016ish, can't actually remember) that had a devil/ demon print and then also the Star of David on it?

I swear I have looked everywhere and now I don't even know if it ever existed or I have dreamt it up..

>>10766258
>>10766261

It’s not like old style socks are that hard to make yourself, just get some vintage lace and ribbon

>>10766258
I think if you've been around for 18 years you need to realise stuff will cost more, and that trends have changed

>>10766481
do you mean this one?

>>10767824
Thank you, but NO!!!! IT WAS WORSE!
From memory it was black and white and had a border print with the devil or some sort of goat head demon and then in between each demon there was the Star of David.

I swear it was really popular because of how stupid it was, and it was all over the FB Taobao reseller/ SS pages but I can not find it no matter how far back I scroll.

>>10767916
Oh my god just go to bed you fat bitch

VM said they would reopen in April, but they have not and I am getting worried. I hope their reopening has been delayed because if all the stuff that's been happening in the world and that they did not quietly shut down.

>>10768402
There is a part of me that's starting to worry too. It's already June and they haven't posted anything in ages. From what I remember they were planning to establish a Tokyo office and they were hiring new people back when Lumi and Tomo announced that they were leaving. Optimistically I'm hoping it's just taking a bit longer than expected?

Apparently something big is going to be announced by Moi même moitié pretty soon, do you guys have any idea what it could be?
A rerelease, Mana coming to an event?

>>10769432
really? theres not many interesting previews in the salon rn

Happy International Lolita Day! Are you or your comm doing anything?

I'm trying to find a street snap I saw years ago, does anyone know what I'm talking about? The girl was wearing a rainbow tiered skirt, white knee-high platform boots, a large white hat that looked like something triple fortune would release, and a white corset and bustier. I think her hair or wig was an auburn-y color. Her whole coord seemed kind of burlesque inspired. I saw it floating around tumblr back when lolitas still used tumblr but I'm not sure what magazine it was from.

>>10769432
After Iron Gate, only an idiot would leak info from the salon.

>>10769458
That's only what was written on the recent post from Moitié IG

>>10770587
Moitie wants you to sign up for the salon to find out, dumbass.

>>10770870
is there English content on there?

>>10771466
It's all in japanese but google translate works fine, I just like seeing the new release previews

Victorian Maiden teased this new release which is coming soon as well as a site renewal!

The site is renewing on June 15. I’m very interested in this site renewal photo they posted. Could these be upcoming rereleases? Left looks like classical doll, and right looks like velveteen mallory op (long). If they rerelease velveteen mallory op they can just take all my money now

>>10772489
I'm so excited about these releases! The Alice dress is a miss for me, since I'm not at all into that floaty, untailored style new VM has going on, but I am ready to drop a chunk of money on both classical doll and the velveteen OP whenever they come out. My guess is that they'll be fall releases though since Japan is going into summer at the moment. Also pic related looks like a similar cut to the preppy check blouse which is one of my favourite items in my closet. I can't wait to buy it in more colours.

>>10772489
I hope they release more JSKs. IW is already 95% OP releases and it sucks. As a tall person with long arms I am automatically excluded from most classic releases and the chiffon sack mumus are not my type of thing either.

>>10772488

in one of the photos she was wearing an apron and i'm desperately hoping they release an apron as well, hopefully in colors other than cream too.

This link has a little more info
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000001.000101449.html

The first two items available upon renewal will be a Sheer Stripe Ribbon Tie Dress and Fairy Doll Frill Parasol (no pics available yet) and then on the 17th reservations will open for the Lorina Ribbon OP and headdress. No mention of apron, sadly.

I was thinking about going to a meet this weekend, check the discord aaaaand

>rando mentions she got her period and has to 'wear a diaper' to the meet
>she's talking about pads... right?
>"Sometimes I don’t have control over my bladder due to my neurological disorder so I already have the diapers ready lol"

I'm so tired of ageplayers.

>>10772994

some adults do need diapers, but no fucking sane adult is posting their diaper shit in a discord for fashion. I hate ageplayers.

>>10772994
If she has an extremely heavy flow sure but that's weird as hell to share with the local comm. Why do so many lolitas have zero boundaries? Gross.

Just a wandering artist here.

Back when i used to frequent here, lolis were always going on about prints and such. Is there a reason prints were so heavily associated with seemingly 'quality' dresses as opposed to just general design?

I guess the main purpose of my question is more on what you consider lolita designs and what you look for when seeing a dress, since I'd like to focus a few designs on dresses that a loli would actually wear instead of halloween outfits.

>>10773841
>lolis

Kek. You a male?

>>10773843
yeah, but it used to be used here pretty interchangeably.

its been a good 7 years or so since i was a frequenter here.

>>10773841
For starters, don't say loli. It used to be common, but it is no longer acceptable because of its sexual connotations.

Tekko is doing a gofundme page for this years event with a $60k minimum goal or its not happening. So another lolita event down the drain. At this point are there any more east coast events?

>>10773846
it's always had sexual connotations

>>10773850
I didn't say the connotations were new. It's simply a fact that lolitas take a much stronger stance on this term than they once did. I'm trying to be helpful. not get drawn into some argument about the history of lolita.

>>10773856
not them but it does seem a bit silly from the outside perspective, considering the reason its a sexualized word in the first place is because of lolita being the root word. so loli being bad but lolita being fine is kinda funny.

>>10773858

It is silly but that's how words work. Like how it's appropriate to say person of color but not colored person.

Does anyone have any worn pics of the Meiji chocolate x kumya chan jsk?

>>10773841
the print obsession is mostly a sweetfag thing, if you're looking for inspo that focuses more on design try literally any other substyle

>>10772911
I'm just glad they're alive. Looking forward to checking out the new releases. They're out, but I haven't looked at them yet.

I see Rococo Bouquet and I could not be happier!
Also 1000yen/free international shipping for over 20k yen. I can already hear my wallet crying. Long live VM!

The Victorian Maiden renewal announcement says:
"In the future, for the upcoming Victorian maiden anniversary, we are planning a revival of products with popular designs and many new products that can be enjoyed by all ages."
The Autumn 2022 gallery shows classical doll, rococo bouquet, and velveteen mallory. Amazing if they rerelease these. Time to start saving.

>>10774064
>>10774125
I actually own the Rococo OP in the orange version, it's the most comfy dress ever and surprisingly roomy (fits my waist of 74cm without issues), It would be a perfect candidate for a re-release as it would fit more bodytypes than the typical unshirred OP.

However, from their twitter:
>The gallery page is open to the public on the renewed WEB.
>To commemorate the opening, you can see a lot of clothes that embody the world of Victorian maiden, even though it is difficult to resell them now.
>Please enjoy the world view of Victorian maiden.

Difficult to resell them now, what dpes that mean?

>>10774179
I guess maybe that classic has the slowest market?

>>10774179
I assume they mean to rerelease

>>10774179
Could be ptoduction and material costs now being much higher for some pieces that they would be too expensive to make and sell for what they did before.

>>10774179
>it's the most comfy dress ever and surprisingly roomy (fits my waist of 74cm without issues
Oh my goddd I have the same measurement, I'd love to wear a Rococo Bouquet piece. I do hope they will rerelease it. 5

I'm not a classic, but here's some news from VM or whatever

Why is the secondmarket as dry as my pussy on antidepressants gulls?

>>10774278
Whatcha hoping to find?

>>10774278
>as dry as my pussy on antidepressants
Now that is a feel I can relate to

>>10774278
I see a lot of people complain about this - perhaps with less crude phrasing - and I can’t relate. Most of the shit I like is cheaper than ever and readily available, but then what I like isn’t so popular right now (2014~2019 AP & Baby, lots of jewel tones.)

If you’re into anything pre-2010 then yes you will have a bad time, regardless of substyle

I just cut my bangs at home from a YouTube tutorial and they are the cutest and best bangs I've ever had. Why are western hairstylists such trash?

>>10758222
Yeah, the war. Definitely not the crazy money printing during covid.

>>10774311
can you drop the tutorial?

>>10774314
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L5mW5rq13Ww

I didn't think the twisting part would work but it actually did!

>>10774311
>>10774316
When I first got them, I cut my bangs on my own. I spent an entire evening agonizing over getting it perfect. It worked out great. The twisting worked for me too.
After a while of growing them out and trimming, I thought I'd go to a hairstylist and have them trim it for me. I figured, I already had the base there for them, and they're the professional, it should be fine, right?
Not fine. They ignored the perfect U/V shape I had partitioned out, just combed my hair haphazardly forward, didn't clip the rest back, snipped a couple times, and then tossed me out of the chair. Never again.

Western hairstylists and youtubers also never acknowledge the importance of sidelocks at all. Weird to me since they usually come standard issue for clip-in bangs anyway.

>>10774314
My main bit of advice is to start with a really shallow v, like an inch into your hairline, cut out lil wispy bangs. Then brush more forward, make a new v, use your previous cuts as a guide, and thicken the bangs up a bit more. Keep going deeper and deeper into your hairline until you get the look that you want. Western bangs tend to keep their bangs really shallow. You can experiment if you prefer more of a V or more of a U.

>>10774278
I lost interest in the 2nd hand market entirely when the bots on the Japanese second hand sites got out of hand and anything good was being snatched up instantly. I don't have the time or nerves to compete with that. At the same time Iost interest in selling and cling onto my stuff, because there is nothing to buy anymore.

>>10774328
Do you have any tips for cutting the sidelocks?

>>10774340
I've cut them two different ways: as an extension of the rest of my bangs and as their own thing.
While I'm cutting my bangs I clip my hair into 4 different sections:
>front bangs,
>side lock 1, side lock 2,
>everything in the back
The sidelocks reach all the way to the top of the bang's point.

I cut the main front bang section first. After that's set, I'll bring out the side locks and pinch between pointer and middle finger, splayed out flat. I'll cut a sharp angle, nearly vertical. EG interior side of the lock starts at cheekbone height, exterior side of lock ends at jaw. Where you want it to start and stop (and how thick of a lock to begin with) is a preference. The "as an extension of bangs" type will start at the bang line itself.
I suggest you gather a ton of inspo pics to get a sense of what you like to see. Cutting it sharp will give you pointy ends like the pic I posted here >>10774328. A thick chunk of hair cut bluntly is going to look more hime (first pic), which is hard to pull off. Hime also usually has a slight negative angle, ie it's longer on the interior side of the lock and shorter on the exterior side. If it's bluntly cut but not a very thick chunk, that's what fairy emily has (second pic). You can also cut just the teeniest wisp of a lock, that's popular too (third pic). The entire length can be as short as your cheekbone or as long as your collarbone. Lots of options out there.

you guys should stop getting haircuts at the mall.

>>10774376
sadly this doesn't guarantee quality. some of the worst salon experiences I've had have been at really expensive places.

like two years ago my mom and I went to a really well reviewed, expensive place (over $400 each) before a big event. I got stuck with a young stylist who clearly didn't know wtf she was doing. My bangs turned out completely crooked and the coloring job was absolute garbage and no where near what I'd asked for. It was so bad the stylist offered to redo the color before I even had a chance to mention it. And my mom had an older stylist but still wound up with several large+long clumps of uncut hair. Absolute garbage.

and conversely the best haircut and dye job I ever got was at a fucking great clips. I got the owner/manager as my stylist and she was fucking badass.

Just found out my friend is modeling for Baby the Stars Shine Bright at anime expo in LA. Just think its neat and wanted to vent that I'm happy for her to someone who might care (other than just her)

>>10774376
i've only ever gone to the best salon in my city, and two hairdressers there fucked up my bangs. and yes, i brought pictures. when i switched to a japanese salon, they got it right immediately.

>>10774391
that's very cute anon

>>10774397
>tfw no Japanese salon anywhere near me

>>10774559
i have like 5 within walking distance from me.

>>10774577
Being a eurofag sucks

>>10774391
Ayyy fellow /tg/er here

Congrats to your friend anon

>>10774179
hey anon random question but how tight are the sleeves on that dress? I can't tell if they're shirred or not in the stock photos but probably not?

I've had a hard time fitting into shortsleeved classic things lately and had to get rid of my older shortlseeve VM blouses because my arms got really buff from work and then fat with age lol. My selfish desire is that they make some shirred-sleeve blouses and OP's in that style, that's all I ask.

>>10774189
I'm thinking it's this. Prices and production queues for textiles have gone through the roof in the last 5 or so years let alone covid reasons.

>>10774947
The sleeves are indeed shirred and the armholes themselves are generous for VM standards. I have toned arms myself and I just fill out the sleeves without stretching the shirring a bit. And that, I think, is the ideal fit. You don‘t want to stretch the sleeves too much or else you don‘t have puffy sleeves anymore.

Just a heads up, the remains of egl/daily-lolita etc will be fucked over soon, since photobucket starts deleting inactive accounts soon.

>>10772994
I thought that was fucking weird too but no one said anything about it? But I guess I should DM the mods, that's way too TMI.

>>10772994
please tell me you have caps

This is weird but I had a dream that VM released a line of typewriters that had a Rococo Bouquet print casing and it got the community into doing penpals and letterwriting more. I wish brands would release non-clothing stuff more often.

>>10772994
Wouldn't this be something you'd try to keep as private as possible especially if you have actually medical condition? Smh.

>>10749395
Been really into gothic and I'm so tired of brand-whore's suggesting that every time I'm interested in a dress it's trash or I'm just poor because it's nOt mOitE. Number one yall act like broke af college students don't deserve to wear the fashion. 2nd of all- Like no Jan, I am interested in stuff that isn't just navy blue and black. Themes like Vampires, Skulls, Crosses, Graveyards, Roses ect. I need variety in my life and I'd rather have like seven cheap yet wearable dresses so I can rotate through the week then drop all my $$ on one Moite dress.

>>10775797
Would buy

>>10775820
there are lots of non-moitie dresses that aren't this cheap taobao garbage. what the fuck are you even talking about? is this some made-up scenario in your head, or are you asking other complete newfags?

>>10775820
but this is ugly as fuck and looks like "gothic lolita" cosplay.
there's a lot of other gothic brands or dresses that can be coorded gothic.
people would call you poor cause you're in this ugly taobao ita shit, not cause it's not moitie

>>10775820
this dress is so bad and costumey that you can even tell from that pic that it's low quality. they couldn't even hide it

>>10775820
Please for the love of God upload your coords online so I can laugh when you inevitably get posted to the ita thread

>>10775820
I mean, that dress is trash so I'm unsurprised. There's plenty of non-Moitie ways to be gothic that also don't break the bank (see: second hand) and also taobao that doesn't look like ita shit does exist.

>>10775820
its so funny how you think moitie is the only goth brand like there aren't several that also go cheap as fuck secondhand

>>10775820
You're acting like goth isn't literally the easiest style of lolita to go offbrand in. You're just failing because you can't discern quality for shit.
>yall act like broke af college students don't deserve to wear the fashion.
When people say this it drives me nuts because nobody """"""deserves""""" fashion. Fashion owes literally nothing to you. Hobbies in general owe nothing to you. If you can't afford a hobby, maybe you should reprioritize your life. But you're absolutely missing the point if you take every critique as "I hate this because it's not Moitie" instead of "I hate this because this specific dress is a scratchy low quality mockery of the style." Low price lolita does exist, it just takes more effort than just slapping on a full brand set. There is a learning curve. It takes time to be able to get an eye for these things. When you assume people are being brand whores, you are robbing yourself of a learning opportunity.

>>10776049
So you are also implying that wearing Lolita is for other people? Not to make yourself happy, or to feel good looking in the mirror. I can see why so many are leaving the fashion or are "lone-litas", who in their right mind would want to be part of a fashion that prioritizes spending a buttload of $$ to fit into a mold and fit other people's views or stricter rules than normal. Yes, there are rules in the fashion but even women who wear Lolita in Japan break those rules sometimes or wear cheap af dresses, you see street snaps of it all the time. Guess this fashion is not meant for self-expression but to be a show-off. Good luck having Lor as your representative guy's, I've decided Lolita isn't for me at this point after seeing how nasty the western community is.

>>10776070
>I've decided Lolita isn't for me at this point after seeing how nasty the western community is.
Oh no whatever will we do without you

>>10776049
Thank you kek. But judging by the "yall" and the "I deseeeeerve to wear fashion please please" this is some retard tiktok trendhopper who's going to get tired and move on anyway. Just buy the ugly taobao dress and get filtered.
What fits the definition of brandwhore anyway? Literal poorfags ("broke af" college students too) with brand who know how to budget and like treating themselves to brand get called that. Are they vapid brandwhores too or what?

>>10776070
>super cheap dress

This is literally an AP JSK from 2003? Her bag is Baby, too. The only shitty cheap things in her coord are the wristcuffs…

https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-wave-frill-jsk

>>10775820
>yall act like broke af college students don't deserve to wear the fashion
Nobody deserves to wear a luxury fashion. I didn't wear it until my late 20s because I couldn't afford it. Stop being an entitled baby. If you want to wear cheap trash and be ridiculed, be my guest.

>>10776070
>pic of Lor
My sides.

And wow, who would have thought that a fashion that revolves around luxury would look best when the product you buy is quality??? Truly shocking. Maybe try picking a cheaper fashion style like goth or punk, instead of demanding that more expensive styles cater to you.

If you want to wear this fashion poorly and look like cheap shit, be our guest. But don't bitch and moan when it gets called cheap and hideous.

>>10776070
What the fuck does your picture even mean? How's do you think the right coord looks cheap? God you really couldn't tell quality if it slapped you in the face

>>10776070
Girl on the right looks fine and it seems to be from around 20 years ago. Why should you care about what others think? You do you, be like Momoko who didn't give a flying fuck about what people thought of her

>>10776070
Then why are you here and complaining about the judgements of others? Why do you care? Why are you posting pictures of yourself online where people are critiquing you? If you're doing this for you, then do it for you and keep it to yourself.
>even women who wear Lolita in Japan break those rules sometimes or wear cheap af dresses, you see street snaps of it all the time.
Japanese girls can be itas too. Being of a particular race doesn't mean you can wear shiny polyester and look stunning.
We feel good looking in the mirror and seeing high quality and high class. I want this for myself even as a lone lolita with no social media. I feel glamorous and real in soft cotton lace and I feel fake and make-believe in plasticy lace that rubs my arms raw.
This whole issue is no different than the art community saying that someone's art looks bad when the anatomy has broken the model's spine. "This is my sense of self expression and no one has the right to say my art is anything less than perfect" is just as ridiculous as what you're on about.

Also I noticed:
>suggesting that every time I'm interested in a dress it's trash or I'm just poor
>yall act like broke af college students
You literally self identify as poor, so why do you take it personally?

>>10775820
Literally fuck yourself I can already tell you’re the biggest entitiled retarded tiktok covid ita. You don’t deserve shit if you’re going to be this clueless and we’re not here to spoon feed you. I’d tell you stay away from Lolita but I can already tell your “coords” will end up on some ita thread that will give me a good laugh. Go ahead and blow what little money you have on costume tier dresses since it’s so hard for you to lurk more newfag

>>10776332
I've never posted pictures of myself online in lolita, and I've been into lolita since 2013- waay before covid or stupid tik tok, I went to my first ever meet as a fucking child at like 15. And both of the girls who came to the meet were rude to me, both around 22 years old, because I didn't own brand and wore a taobao skirt, and they were wearing AP. I was a literal CHILD. Like, baka. I've never once posted pictures of myself in Lolita online as I know that it's a toxic community and you guys are proving my point with your responses. I own literally two brand pieces, an Aristo Kitty's Invitation JSK and a Dreamy Planetarium Sailor JSK in Sax. I've never in my whole entire life thought that I would be sitting here considering selling or giving my dresses to Goodwill.

>>10776389
Also gotta love the trolling with the automatic added weeb talk, thnx cgl

>>10776389
>I've been into lolita since 2013
Being a permaita isn't a flex kek this is even more sad than just being a misguided newfag

>>10776389
do it. sell all your pieces. 15 is not a "literal child" btw its a minor but you are not a child at that age. stop infantizing teens just because you're too retarded to dress well. i've seen good 16 year old lolitas. Just sell all your shit and go we will always hate you

>>10776332
I recently got into gothic Lolita, and looked at taobao dresses because I didn't absolutely love AP/BTSSB's options for gothic, and I already owned dresses and both of them had tags that said "Made in China", so why did it make a damn difference if I got taobao or "brand name", since they are both sewn/made in the same place. The only difference is the price. Also for all the newbs to gothic, here is some help because this board is trash,
Some Gothic Lolita brands:

Antique BeasT
Alice and the Pirates
Atelier Pierrot
Écailles De Lune
Estryllia Enhillia
Haenuli
Lady Sloth
Marble
Miho Matsuda
Mille Noirs
Moi-Meme-Moitie
Nightmare
Sheglit
Surfacespell

Some of these are also considered trash, so just never wear any dresses to cons and avoid social events with these judgmental nut jobs you should be fine, and oh yeah, never post your coords online because they'll shit on them out of jealously even if they look fine.

>>10776395

>>10776394
It's not a flex, I'm not proud of watching Lor, Princess Peachy, Deerstalker Pictures, Candy Carnival, Pearlie Cutie, Jemma Mae and other "Lolita fashion" Youtubers only to find out that they are also probably part of the negative bs anonymously on this board. Wasn't you guy's who bullied a girl who had like tons of dresses out of the fashion who was originally part of Deerstalker Pictures?

>>10776389
how have you been wearing lolita since 2013 and can't figure out how to get secondhand gothic pieces that aren't 99rmb taobao shit? serious question. because when you supposedly started in 2013 up until very recently gothic shit often went for $100 and under so you must be actually retarded, which judging by your posts is most likely true

>>10776400
I haven't been wearing it since 2013, I got interested in the fashion and started learning about it. I was not into gothic for most of the years I've known about the fashion, I knew about sweet Lolita mainly because that's what most of the Youtuber's I watched wore. I never said I can't figure out how to get secondhand pieces that are not taobao crap, I don't even own any gothic dresses yet and at this rate I never will.

>>10776389
>And both of the girls who came to the meet were rude to me
Not that there's any excuse for being mean to a fifteen year old but since you don't appear to have matured at all, here's some life advice: they were most likely rude to you because you are an easily offended basket case and probably have some kind of personality disorder, not because of your skirt.

>>10776401
All I'm hearing are excuses and entitlement in all of your posts. Glad you're leaving; don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>10776402
I barely talked to them. I wasn't easily offended either, they didn't really talk to me either, they just excluded me and tried to act like I wasn't there and talked to each other while I followed them. But yeah, their behavior was totally my fault.

>>10776404
you are not entitled to everyone's attention and friendship at a meet? sounds like you followed them around like a lost puppy and annoyed them

>>10776406
Dude, it was my first ever meet! There were only two of them. Entitled?! Oh my holy hell, they should at least attempt to be nice or just blatantly tell the person to leave if they don't like them instead of letting them awkwardly be there. Un-fucking-believable.

>>10776401
>I got interested in the fashion and started learning about it
sounds like you didn't learn very much the past 9 years if you think the all-brand coord on the right in >>10776070 is "cheap"
>I never said I can't figure out how to get secondhand pieces that are not taobao crap
then why are you bitching? you need a youtuber to hold your hand and tell you exactly what to do?

>>10776408
I know it's not cheap, I said it LOOKS cheap. I don't like the look of old-school. Personally I think it looks like cheap polyester, I know cost wise it's not cheap. You didn't even read the meme.

>>10776409
But it's not cheap polyester. How can you, after a decade of supposedly being into lolita, look at the image on the left and think cheap? It doesn't even look like polyester. How do you not know what polyester looks like?

>>10776410
*right, before you nitpick my misspeak

>>10776410
It's sure as hell does look cheap af. It's frumpy as all hell. But that's my personal opinion, you're welcome to disagree.

>>10776412
well all of your opinions and posts have been bad so this one is no different I suppose

>>10776413
I wonder how you're going to get new Lolita's to join the community and keep the fashion going when you and so many others here are such assholes to each other. How are you going to be welcoming to someone interested in the fashion who actually knows legit nothing about it? Are you gonna nitpick noob's coords until the fashion dies? Can't wait to see Lolita in 10 to 20 years and how dead the western commuinty is going to be at this rate. Gonna be fun to watch. You'll destroy yourselves from the inside out at this rate.

>>10776070
Omg, the projection. Seriously get a better therapist and a life while you're at it

>>10776418
Sure nonnie. I'll get right on that.

>>10776417

>>10776417
lolita is dying for the opposite reason. it's losing it's originality. every time someone comes into lolita, conflating alternative with edgy and watering down the fashion with mall goff tier shit, it dies. every time someone likes lor tells swaths of noobs that any and every cheap clolita piece of crap that she gets paid to shill is perfect an appropriate, it dies. every time someone says not to gatekeep, which is to teach those willing, and shun those unwilling, it dies. it's been said again and again, wear whatever you want, but don't call it lolita. if you want to join a community but refuse to respect that with that community, things are expected of you, don't join it. easy as that.

>>10776417
you're letting the anonymous veil of 4chan allowing gulls to be bitches get to you too much. not everyone thinks like the average salty seagull

Always find it baffling that people think lolitas being meanies is some sort of new phenomenon. Even in the mid-2000s the egl LJ comm was notorious for being full of catty bitches

>>10776422
based

>>10776412
Cheap does not mean "ugly" you stupid retard. It means poor quality fabric and/or construction.

>>10776435
It's just newfags being newfags

>>10776422
Yea but there is a clear difference in wearing the fashion completely incorrectly, wearing a mismatched trash looking coord, or deliberately breaking the rules and the quality of someone's dress. That being said, a brand like Elpress L or Ista Mori shouldn't be written off as crap just because it's not AP/BTTSB or the other well-known J brands. As long as someone is following the rules, wearing a blouse, OTKs/UTKs/Tights, shoes that actually match the coord, and a JSK or OP- why does it matter?

>>10776516
Because it's fashion, not cosplay. The point is to wear nice clothes, not to rp as princess peach.

>>10776517
Bruh, no one ever said it was. Why are you over here acting like it is. Not everyone agrees with your opinion btw, pretty sure those who love OTT Hime would surely disagree. And might I remind you that even Baby The Stars Shine Bright's vision behind their brand is "The brand's vision is to create designs that make one feel cute and elegant like a beautiful princess, happily dressing up in fancy frills and lace."
It literally is about what makes you feel happy, not other people's approval, Lolita has many different styles and prints for a reason, and I know I speak for many who don't want to be put into a box.

>>10776517
Guess Misako is now Princess Peace lmao

>>10776517
misako aoki must've "cosplayed" as princess peach because it wasn't a J-brand

>>10776389
>I own literally two brand pieces, an Aristo Kitty's Invitation JSK and a Dreamy Planetarium Sailor JSK in Sax.

Literally the cheapest brand dresses you can get for under $100 isn't a flex kek

>>10776523
>bait

>>10776523
Bet you tell everyone who asks you about your dresses when you're out, it was $600 because you need that sense of entitlement to boost your low af self esteem.

>>10776523
$325 a piece is not cheap. But go off sis. Have you even seen the price of second hand directly from Japan, Im not talking about Lace Market. Ebay has sellers from Japan scalping Dreamy Planetarium for $325, but maybe to you that's "cheap".

>>10776523
I'm starting to think most of the people being offended by those complaining of the price of Lolita are not affected by inflation, and have either are trust fund babies, sugar babies, trophy wives or somehow have a career that pays top dollar. And desu I've always wondered what do most Lolitas do for work outside of the fashion, guinely asking. Doctor, biologist, buisness owner? Like what do you do?

>>10776528
- remove the desu, automatically added by cgl

>>10776528
They're probably camwhores or strippers. Lol.

Even though its always a bloodbath at closet child now, I'm glad to see that they're doing well online + I'm guessing in-store too.

>>10776528
>>10776534
There's a lot of secret adult jobs and credit card debt. You learn a lot when you talk to a lot of instagram lolitas

>>10776528
A lot of lolitas are in their 30s and have real jobs.

>>10776528
How young are you that you think the only options to make good money are trophy wife, stripper, and doctor? Your worldview is extremely fucked.

I make $90k-$100k a year which isn't a doctor's salary but it's more than enough to live comfortably, I can spend $1-$2k on lolita or whatever else a month and still have some money for savings. I just work at a company doing data analytics basically. I don't worry about inflation either. And I'm pretty sure I make more money than the camgirls I know.

>>10776521
She's a model that gets paid to promote these brands, Misako wouldn't be caught dead wearing this Rococo cosplay trash in her day to day life

>>10776527
>Have you even seen the price of second hand directly from Japan
yeah it's even cheaper, if you were really around participating in the community you'd know that
>Ebay has sellers from Japan scalping Dreamy Planetarium for $325
KEK those "eBay sellers from japan" are people flipping those same japanese secondhand listings for 2x, 3x, 4x the price, they even use the same pictures from those japanese sellers' listings. You are so fucking stupid.

>>10776558
secret adult jobs like...being above the age of 21 and getting a college degree, you should try it sometime.

>>10776527
>eBay scalpers are indicative of the actual resale value of a piece
How new can one ita possibly be?

>>10776577
Why'd you get moody all of a sudden? You must not keep up with the drama or talk to anyone. It's not like I said everyone is like that holy cow

Does tenshi work full time or is she a full time ss?

>>10776581
what the hell are you talking about? not moody, just laughing at how stupid you are

>>10776645
It's not like I said everyone is like that you silly goose. Having a college degree and a job is nothing special so it's bold of you to assume I don't have either. Get off your high horse.

>>10776656
you insinuating that lolitas must do sex work or be in massive credit card debt to afford lolita instead of just having a regular adult job is stupid, though. people like that are the minority.

>>10776678
Most Lolita's must not have kids and bills to pay, or most likely don't live in the US. Must be fun not being lower middle class and having several mouths to feed so you can dump $1k to $2k into Lolita like it's nothing. There's a large portion of the population that can't do that and if they want to wear the fashion they'd have to save or get cheap pieces. It's almost as if Lolita is built upon the concept of being ostentatious and materialistic.

>>10776417
I always wonder about people like you. How do you live being offended at bare minimum requirements, no, seriously? Budget, don't look cheap, don't look disgusting, learn.
I don't get it? I started out with clolita shit a good couple of years before the pandemic and then graduated to collecting quality items. I spoke to my country's very own "brandwhore" who people said she liked licking AP's ass, and all she gave me was good advice. Literally no gatekeeping or anything... the littlest she ever asked of me was to always want to learn. I learned how to budget to better curate my collection and am here now. You can even find some covidlitas here relating how they moved out of clolita stuff and actually learned to have an eye for quality.
Again, do you consider poorfags with brand "elitists" or not?
>>10776696
>It's almost as if Lolita is built upon the concept of being ostentatious and materialistic.
Yes... retard-chan. It's a luxury fashion that you are not obligated or entitled to participate in.
>Most Lolita's must not have kids and bills to pay
>Must be fun not being lower middle class and having several mouths to feed
Yes. Stay mad. I ain't having kids yet and I'll be spending my money on brand instead of on diapers for a long time. How is this anybody's problem but yours kek? Bitter baby mama moment? You can dress in garbage if you want, nobody's going to stop you.

>>10776728
I wonder what the Chinese Lolita community thinks of the Western Lolita elitists. It would make sense that many in that community wear taobao as it's widely available. Bet they wouldn't be too happy knowing they're all considered ita.

This was a good watch for those who's eyes won't burn from non-brand.
https://tw.appledaily.com/supplement/20210201/TMKYKZMN4JDMXIQNOYHW77NEME/

>>10776732
I like the dress on the right. Anyone know what it is?

>>10776732
KEKKK mogged by poorfags I love you schizo ita

>>10776696
Ok, too bad for them then? Nobody is entitled to participate in a luxury hobby. Of course it's harder to have kids and buy things. Maybe don't have kids if you want extra spending money. You can't have everything.

>>10776734
Another one

https://www.hk01.com/%E4%B8%80%E7%89%A9/203552/lolita%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96-%E5%A4%96%E4%BA%BA%E7%9C%BC%E4%B8%AD%E7%9A%84%E5%A5%87%E8%A3%9D%E7%95%B0%E6%9C%8D-lo%E5%A8%98-%E6%98%AF%E6%88%91%E7%9A%84%E7%9B%94%E7%94%B2

Maybe someone will broaden their horizons.

>>10776746

>>10776746
Pissing off the elitists who think it's ok to look down upon people who don't want to wear J-brands only is super entertaining. If anyone could take anything from the two video's it's that you can wear off-brand, coord it well and still be friendly to them without calling them ita.

>>10776728
https://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Lolita

"Remember anyone can be a lolita. Lolita fashion is a very accepting subculture, and your looks, race, age, weight, and gender don't matter. Anyone who fits the dressing criteria is welcome.
You can't be "too ugly" for the style. The focus is on appreciating the style of your clothing and what makes you happy.
Experiment some to see what you like, and build your style off of that."

"Dress this way for yourself. The point of fashion, in general, is to have fun with your look. If someone doesn't like your coord, remember that you should listen to their criticism, but you still don't have to apply it. And, of course, if someone doesn't like Lolita in general, that's their problem."

cgl
>Um no actually the following list is barred from Lolita
>Poor people
>Anyone who likes taobao
>If you're not dressing for other's approval
>You can always be too ugly for the style
>Even if you follow the rules, you'll still get called ita because the goal is to ruin the fashion for you and not let you enjoy life kek

>>10776767
Oh yeah and can't forget

No fatties allowed, lol

>>10776767
Yes. I don't see the issue.

>>10776767
Still mogged by poorfags with brand. No rebuttal kek

>>10776767
imagine linking to fucking wikihow of all places and think that's somehow such a GOTCHA zinger
you think you're getting "bullied" for being poor and liking taobao instead of the reality that you're annoyingly entitled, easy to provoke to anger when called on your bullshit, and cannot tell good quality from bad

>>10776696
>must not have kids and bills to pay, or most likely don't live in the US
or...get this...they're adults with careers that let them afford the lifestyle they want whether it be kids or lolita or both. why is this possibility so hard for you to imagine?
> if they want to wear the fashion they'd have to save or get cheap pieces
you know that's normal right? if you can't afford something you save up money to buy something? you wait for sales and deals? acting like if you can't have whatever you want RIGHT NOW for $20 or less than lolita is CLASSIST!!!!11
>almost as if Lolita is built upon the concept of being ostentatious and materialistic
"I can't believe this fashion hobby about buying/having clothes is materialistic"

>>10776732
>I wonder what the Chinese Lolita community thinks of the Western Lolita elitists
Chinese lolitas are even worse than we are. They have ita threads and dunk on cheap crappy taobao dresses just like us; they even have their own term for it. They're also not afraid to actually say shit to your face if you look bad, too. but sure you watched one or two chinese lolita youtubers and have deduced they all must be nice and sweet and kawaii!! breaking news: asian people also talk shit.

I don't get what retarded anon-chan is complaining about. If the fashion means so much to them and they know what style and brands they like, why the butt hurt. If you like it, just wear it. Would it really matter what anyone says about your coord, if you're wearing the fashion you like and feeling good doing so (regardless the price of your dresses)?

>>10776767
You need money to participate in a luxury hobby that's entirely about aesthetic appearance and quality??? Shocking!!

literally no one has ever said that Lolita is for poor people. It's practically female hedonism and is inspired by literal royalty. The exception being ita Youtubers who are forced to be inclusive to get an audience of people like you

>>10776521
> thinking a model's paid job is always to their personal taste
you must be 18+ to use this board

>>10776528
Kek you couldn't make it any more obvious that you don't actually know any lolitas. LARPers always say this retarded shit

>>10777019
Because they know they're settling for shit tier quality since they're a poorfag. And they're butthurt when people make fun of said shit tier quality dresses.

Do newbies not know about puppet circus anymore?

>>10777253
Kinda awkward

>>10777253
Newbies only know devilinspired

>>10777397
Newbies don't like spending the big bux

Never bought from them before, are AndRomeo good? I like some of their designs but the material looks a bit questionable.

>>10777253
this is actually hilarious KEK

>>10773849
Tekko is alive now friend! They met the minimum so it is confirmed back on as said on their twitter. They're even starting to announce more Lolita guests.

>>10776517
people will say stuff like this then be like "i miss OTT hime :(("
exact same mindset as the people who lost their minds over dreamy baby room
OTT sweet is back, all the pastel vomit prints from 2013 are free game, but no, this dress is totally over the line lmao

>>10776767
I make minimum wage in the south, it’s next to nothing but I still budget enough to buy brand Lolita either cheaply second hand or save up for my pieces without bankrupting myself. even if you itas had money you’d still be terribly dressed. Stop blaming your poor taste on your money

>>10778137
Also the fact that you linked wikihow just proves how clueless you really are. Think of another hobby besides Lolita because you’re clearly not putting in the effort

>>10778128
Do you genuinely not know the difference between dressing as someone else (cosplay) and dressing as yourself (fashion)? Design isn't the issue here

Idk shit about Lolita but I cosplay and saw this and would really like to try to put together a cute majou shoujo outfit based around it. I feel like that’s pretty close to Lolita, but I don’t know what kind of style I’m looking for to go with it? Would any of you point me in the right direction <3?

>>10778375
even though is a cute choker, imo it doesn't fit lolita that much

>>10778375
okay, maybe with Astrology JSK?

>>10778379
Nighty Moon JSK

>>10778380
Twinkle Sky JSK

>>10777244
>>10775820
I mean, there are many less expensive brands that have cute dresses, too. Retarded Anon-chan, you can be cute, too, just choose what you like and be happy with it. But if you know in your heart of hearts that only high end brands will do it for you, then maybe you'll have to bite the second hand bullet (Wunderwelt and Closet Child are your friends) to be less salty.

I'm not a lolita but I used to read a lot about the hobby, when I was a teen. Pic related is the only dress I've ever owned (but sold it on eventually, years ago). It is a Bodline dress and I still think it's an awesome dress, because I love the cotton fabric they used, although I know it's a shit tier brand to most.

Here's some nostalgic things I recently found that I thought everyone would enjoy watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kauo-sGL4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Hdf2eaWlw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toNvQdY05yU&t=15s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivbmfhIxfGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Ou9mISRGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEPKC1Tu5RI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLOoxiuoSNY

And last one

https://youtu.be/k3IZv6ML9bA

For the upcoming gen z's who want to get into Lolita who can't afford to move out, same with millennials in the same position this vid's for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkJlTKUaF3Q

Unless you guys want a repeat of >>10749395 >>10751529 >>10751572 can someone start working on a new thread? I can give it until it falls a bit down on page 10 but if no one else does it I'll have to do it, and I can't make satisfactory lolita generals.

>go to first meetup
>6 people
>old man dressed in lolita with Karen wife
>two autists
>just 1 normal girl and me

Is this the general vibe for all meetups or does my area suck

>>10782667
Sadly this is what a lot of them have become. Trannies, autists and SJWs and maybe one normal person if you're lucky.

Could anyone reccomend a personal shopping service for Japan like Tenshi Shop?

Misako is doing NFTs now.