/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Why are some items that don't have the traditional lolita silhouette seen at lolita meets and in the social media tags? I'm talking about VM's mermaid skirts, maxi skirts, salopettes. I ask because long skirts flatter me better than knee length ones and I would like to wear a long skirt to a meetup. I just don't know if it's acceptable. At my first meetup there was a girl wearing a gorgeous ankle length OP, but I couldn't tell if there was something about it that made it lolita despite it not having the poof. Does it fall under EGA?

>>10742516
A lot the rules for lolita have formed during the 2000s, and in japan there’s fashions that the west says are separate, but japan sees as lolita adjacent like otome fashion. We have stricter rules because the fashion isn’t actually ours and it helps keep new lolitas from getting confused.
Also a lot of brand s make clothes for other types of fashions. The most common used to be AP making salopettes and miniskirts for fairy kei. They’re not lolita and aren’t supposed to be. Back to VM and brands like Abilletage and MM, gothic has shifted a bit in Japan from what it used to be, so that’s the explanation for some of it. The rest is that a lot of gothic brands make stuff for both gothic lolita and the gothic lolita adjacent fashions.

>>10742523
thank you!

are there any western stores that sell cute girly clothes in the vein of otome or himegyaru? i need to be able to try stuff on before i buy it... charlotte russe used to have lots of cute clothes but has been moving towards trendy e-girl clothes

>>10742516
it's about the vibe tee bee aych

>>10742523
>The most common used to be AP making salopettes and miniskirts for fairy kei. They’re not lolita and aren’t supposed to be.
AP has never said this ever. There is no evidence anywhere of this being true. Stop repeating incorrect information you got from someone on /cgl/ making shit up

>>10742570
you're actually retarded

>>10742570
I didn’t make it up. I was a lolita when fairy kei was popular and there was overlap between the two. It was supposed to be an overlap between fairy kei and lolita. It was a common thing in japan. Same thing happened when himegyaru became popular. Jfashion in japan likes to have overlaps. We don’t consider salopettes and mini skirts as lolita because westerners are much larger and taller than Japanese, especially a decade ago

>>10742579
don't even bother. anons don't even believe that gyarus could wear lolita coords.

>>10742579
again with anecdotal evidence and never any actual proof

>>10742587
what "proof"? lmao, brands don't define lolita.

>>10742589
What in the fuck lmao. Did you have a stroke? Lolita brands don't define the fashion?

>>10742568
>i need to be able to try stuff on before i buy it
>otome or himegyaru

You can look at cdg and simone rocha for the closest thing I can think of for western. But jfashion is not for you in this case, unless you can make it to the harajuku hearts store in sf to try stuff on.

>>10742579
>>The most common used to be AP making salopettes and miniskirts for fairy kei. They’re not lolita and aren’t supposed to be.
This is also my experience, from being a lolita when fairy kei was popular. So I'm fucking GLAD someone out there actually isn't a larping newfag on this board. You can't tell these guys fucking anything nowadays. Perm ita tier fucks on this board.

/cgl/ is full of newfags who weren't there, claiming to know shit about the fashion alllll the time like this guy >>10742570

>>10742602
Okay newfag.

>>10742579
Hime lolita came to be a thing from Hime trend that spawned Himegyaru in the first place. That's where all that weird overlap came from and I don't recognize "hime lolita" in lolita fashion unless it's spliced the same way that Hime kei was, personally. I can't fucking do it, because it looks boring as shit not actually being a derivative of Hime kei or Himegyaru.

>>10742621
It's like, ok you want to be a lil princess and wear the BIG tea party dress. got it.

They always wear a crown and flat ass hair and look like shit. I don't know, it just doesn't look good anymore comparatively.

>>10742618
>Problem is, many salopettes are made tor lolita. AP even recently released salos in the last couple years and the non-rereleases all had fuller (but shorter) skirts and were definitely supposed to be lolita, albeit more casual. Miniskirts and tighter fitting salos like Lyrical Party I get, but then there are shorter tighter salos like Royal Chocolate, MRC, etc. that have pleated skirts or A-line shapes and aren't really compatible with a lot of fairy kei.

I was around when this stuff was happening too and it's truly kind of a mixed bag and depends on the salopette. If it fits a petti and you're not too tall, go ahead and coord it like lolita, probably more casually, but if it doesn't or you're too tall for it to hit the right length just accept it will likely only be seen as lolita-adjacent.

>>10742626
This. Exactly. I think a lot of these newfags think anything that comes from a lolita brand, GLB, or apparently even fucking goth brands make it lolita somehow. I'm even starting to see this shit with people talking about old MMM. It's fucking ludacris, because we all knew VKei and EGA was a large part of MMM and Malice Mizer/MoiDixMois. It's hard because we all barely had cameras or the capability to have a website stick around beyond early angelfire/gecocities period and so now these guys are just running amok talking out their ass nonstop.

Is combining navy and black seen as a faux pas in lolita the same way it's seen as one outside of lolita? I'm not talking various shades of blue and black, because I know that's common, but navy specifically

>>10742628
I think it's fine so long as you treat it like coording ivory and white, where you treat them as two separate colors so it doesn't look like you just can't match blacks or something.

I bought an item from AP paris's website for the first time. I got an email which said that the payement go trought but on my account it say that I didn't ordered anything. Is it normal or I should email them ?

>>10742628
the issue with black and navy and even white and ivory is just when the two colors are too similar. navy isn't always extremely dark, and it's the dark navy that looks like shit with black.

>>10742628
>>10742630
This. Color balance it, only looks bad if you have a random out of place navy with black. Work both colors through the coord and it's cute

>>10742616
i'm not saying i would wear western clothes as jfash, i'm just looking for similarly cute/girly clothes. idk where else to ask considering /fa/ is all dudes

>>10743284
Do you have a picture of what the hell ‘cute like otome and hime gyaru but not jfash’ means

How should I wash Silent Moon? I have the black and white colorway, and I've seen a couple examples where it's looked like the dye has bled pretty badly onto the print. I'm used to machine washing things in delicates bags with a mild detergent and handwashing, but am pretty paranoid about this one since the print itself is white

>>10742568
do you mean himekaji? what the fuck are you talking about?

I sold something on LM 8 months ago. I just got the item back today with a sticker saying something along the lines of they didn't collect it. They had a foreign name so I think they were probably a student.

What should I do in this case? PM the buyer and offer to ship again (they pay shipping), or relist it for sale again?

where can i find some long sleeved cardigans for someone with freakishly long alien arms?

>>10743308
Yes, ask the buyer what happened and let them know they need to re-pay shipping. If they don't respond on LM, see if you can message them via PayPal. If they don't respond after 2 weeks send another message telling them you're going to relist it in x amount of time. Happened to me before too, very annoying to deal with.

what's a good SS for small orders? i usually use fromjapan but don't want to ship with fedex and all ems is suspended to canada.

>>10743470
There is no way to ship packages to Canada right now besides courier.

>>10743311
just for you, anon

where's the best place to buy wigs nowadays? I was trying to find clip in bangs / half wigs like Priscila used to carry but I'm not finding exactly what I want

>>10743524
you can get older prisila on rakuten

>>10743287
>>10743300
i'm literally just talking about cute and girly clothes. as opposed to the trendy e-girl shit sold at places like forever21/h&m or the plain normie shit like at macys/nordstrom. here's some examples from cider which sadly doesn't have a physical store

>>10743528

>>10743528
that's nothing like hime gyaru you normie faggot.

>>10743529

>>10743528
>>10743529
>>10743531
what you're posting IS normie shit, dumbass

>>10743528
>>10743529
>>10743531
Then why not just buy these from there? It's also funny that you're separating Cider from "trendy e-girl shit" when Cider is literally the trendiest shop right now. This is all normie clothes. You can find similar things at other stores in your local mall (including Forever21 and H&M).

>>10743535
or aliexpress kek. it just looks like cheap trad leaning normie shit.

>>10743530
>>10743533
ok angry nonnies, are you going to at least tell me where you see these supposedly common clothes being sold irl? because i cannot find anything remotely like this in any western stores

>>10743535
>Then why not just buy these from there?
"i need to be able to try stuff on before i buy it"

>You can find similar things at other stores in your local mall (including Forever21 and H&M)
nope, i don't see anything even close in any mall store. all they have is egirl/slutwear with plain and ugly patterns

>>10743528
>>10743529
>>10743531
Just try literally any fucking normie store? You can absolutely find pieces like that at H&M and F21, or even at old lady department stores. It's spring. Everywhere has pastels and florals. Fucking walmart has girly pastel pieces right now. idk what kind of advice you expect 4chan to give about physical stores you should shop in, when you haven't provided your price range, size, or even what fucking country you're in.

You have to learn to use your own eyeballs and go out shopping to find things that will work. Just walk into the clothing stores in your area and see what they have, and maybe you'll find some cute girly stuff. If you're too retarded to handle that, then idk what to tell you.

>>10743528
Are you stupid? This literally looked like some shit you could buy at H&M or reformation if you're feeling fancy

>>10743537
normie retard

>>10743537
They don't just sell club wear retard. Try looking for more than 2 seconds.

>>10743539
it's also fucking spring now. bitch can go to target.

>>10743539
>implying i haven't already thoroughly combed through all the mall stores for years
literally in my original comment i said i usually like charlotte russe but that they've been moving away from cute girly aesthetic

>>10743542
this conservative mormon tradwear is nothing like what i posted but ok

>>10743540
no. see pic. when was the last time you guys actually went inside a mall store to see what they have these days?

seems i'm not gonna get any actual helpful replies, sooo nvm i guess

>>10743547
you don't deserve helpful replies. you also sound like an immature tradthot reeing about "slutwear"

>>10743550
take your meds, bpd-chan

>>10743547
good, leave

>>10743552
poor baby.

>>10743547
then look for yourself until you find one you like, you lazy retard. we're not going to post every single fucking thing on the website for you. The garbage you posted already looked like normie tradwear and not like jfash at all. Here's another one that took all of two seconds to find. You're just an impatient retard

>>10743556
she probably doesn't even know what those jfashions look like. i'm assuming she meant himekaji instead of hime gyaru but nothing she posted looks like lizlisa at all. or otome, god forbid.

>>10743556
another ugly plain dress that is nothing like what i posted. this isn't helpful, so please do stop wasting your own time

>>10743559
>a short pastel floral dress with chiffon overlay is totally nothing like liz lira
>oh wait

>>10743556
another ugly plain dress that is nothing like what i posted. this isn't helpful, so please do stop wasting your own time

>>10743559
>a short pastel floral dress with chiffon overlay is totally nothing like liz lisa
>oh wait

>>10743568
lmfao this looks nothing like the shit from cider. the structure is totally different.

>>10743568
no, the dress you posted had a print that looked literally normie. These are not the same dress

>>10743568
the dress you posted was made of chiffon and had a tiny, fugly allover print. your pic, from 11 years ago isn't even chiffon and has an entirely different style of print. get out, are you trolling?

question: what proxy service proxies "thebasein"?

>>10743584
Tenso works.

>>10743547
>charlotte russe
Even on their own website in the mini dress section, there is a handful of dresses that could be clubwear, and the rest is girly, pastel, floral print generic spring bullshit.

>>10743590
thank you anon

>>10743527
thank you! are there any shops you'd recommend?

>>10742568
the only brand i think that makes close similar to liz lisa is loveshackfancy but they are very pricey when compared to normie tier stuff like forever 21. a lot of their items remind me of the mori gyaru era of liz lisa

>>10743488
Now I want to draw a lolita with mega long arms

>>10743543
This dress is literally at Walmart right now.

How long does the special winter sale for btssb/aatp last?

>>10743559
most of these people have no fucking clue what hime gyaru looks like. they're all talking about himekaji

What are some of the less obvious signs of a new lolita? Less common mistakes to avoid/keep in mind?

I'm someone who has quietly been interested in egl for years but only just now in a financial place that I can comfortably buy nice pieces and start coording. After years and years of lurking and looking at coords and soaking up information, I feel like I have a pretty good sense of what's painful and what's not, and the obvious stuff like always wear a petti lmao, but I'm sure there's some nuance that I'm missing out on by not physically coording clothes together yet and wearing them. And frankly, with such expensive clothes, I'd like to know about mistakes like that before I make them, hahah.

>>10744193
One subtle thing I've noticed is that newbies will try to shoehorn colors in with accessories in a way that looks like it works online but it doesn't actually. For example, a red headbow, necklace, and earrings with a print that has little too no red in it. Newbies think that because all the red items match each other it's okay and it can look good in a collage but in real life nobody is going to see your red necklace and earrings because they are really small so it's just like you are wearing a random red headbow.

Another thing I would suggest is wardrobe planning, I've made the mistake a lot of buying random things I like that don't go together. But yeah there are some things you just can't know until you try. And most stuff can be resold for close to what you paid anyway so it's not like regular fashion where you are throwing money away if something doesn't work. Good luck Anon!

>>10744211
>in real life nobody is going to see your red necklace and earrings because they are really small so it's just like you are wearing a random red headbow.

I agree to some extent with what you're saying here but it varies. IRL you can usually see the details of an outfit better than a single photo online and see the true color. Many prints have tons of details you never notice until you've owned it or seen it in person, and while it may seem random to include a color based on a photo from far away, your eyes can see it much easier at a normal distance chatting with someone.

On top of that if someone is trying to bring in more of a color like red in that way, their socks, shoes, bracelets, and other things all have the opportunity to be red (though not necessarily all at once) and anyone trying to have a balanced coord wouldn't only have red jewelry and headbow but nothing else. That's an obvious newbie mistake more than a subtle one.

>>10744193

Wrong shoes, eg tea parties for classic lolita. Understandable if it's not a common substyle for you, but if you're planning on doing your wardrobe majority one style, would suggest putting the research into footwear and buying the right footwear. Mary Janes for instance go better with classic, and you don't need crazy colors if you're starting out in classic. Same with accessories - gothic coordinates don't look right with head eating AP black headbows, even if it is the right coordinating color.

Is it normal to only wash the foot part of your OTK' s after wearing them once? i hate ironing the lace

>>10743311
normie brands. you might want to look for one that has rolled up sleeves, you can unroll them

>>10744233
Probably not but it's not a bad idea either

Are plain coloured tights (white, light pink, light lavender etc) always ita? picrel

>>10744260
Well she is wearing otks not tights. They are not always but highly likely to be because a lot of people wear them to be cheap and not because it actually goes with the coordin any way. In this coord, the plain otks work because she has a relatively plain house and kc so it goes along with the whole look.

>>10744260

It won't look necessarily ita but it does leave the coord wanting. That being said a lot of people will do it at some point, myself included. It's not a big deal but imo patterned tights, even cable knit tights, add more texture and look better. And you can find cable knit tights almost anywhere these days.

>>10744260
When in doubt pair them with ankle or crew length socks. Adds a little more frill to the look. Like >>10744266 said it depends on the coord and they're only ita when ppl don't balance them properly.

>>10744260
White tights with my sweet coordinates used to be my go-to for basic everyday outfits and I think they look fine. I think they look cute with a coloured shoe, like pink dress + pink shoes plus white tights.

>>10744260
It's something a lot of people that wear lolita often do, it's comfy and easy, but there are better options. I wouldn't ever say it's "ita" just can be boring

>>10744306
So they would work OK for casual coordinates?

>>10744233
For the love of god just wash your damn socks. You don't even have to break out the iron to fix the lace, just stretch it out and fix the wrinkles while they're still wet.

>>10744318
This. I never have to iron the lace on my pieces, especially not torchon

So this headpiece was just uploaded to Lace Market (it's sold now though), and I'm wondering a bit about it. I don't have my taste well developed enough to tell if it's quality or not.
The listing doesn't mention any brand. When I go to another website the seller uses, it's listed as "Rococo", but I can't find any clear results for that as a lolita brand.
So could it be home made? The seller also sells many other items without brand though, so maybe they just didn't mention it?
And is it a quality piece or just garbage? At least they mention it's made of cotton?

>>10744338
It's from Rococo Heroin, an indie Chinese brand that uses Japanese lace for MTO headpieces. They don't offer this style right now just the rolled rose one.

>https://shop141425770.taobao.com/

Hope that helps! I own a piece and it's lovely, thick, and good quality.

>>10744233
this is hilarious wtf

>>10744317
In my opinion, yes absolutely. See picrel.

Someone just bought something from me on LM, and sent me a paypal address that's different than the one tied to their account. Also sent me a shipping address that looked kind of weird, so I Google Maps'd it and it looks like a store(?)

How concerned should I be? Buyer has only positive feedback, but it just feels a little sketch to me

>>10744392
Someone may be paying for the dress for them. As long as the address they sent you is linked to the PayPal address that's paying then they can't file a claim that they never received it. If it doesn't match tell them they need to update their PayPal to that address or you'll need to cancel the sale. I've never had an issue sending to a different address but there is risk involved.

>>10744193
The balance of "can work with lolita, with effort and careful planning" and "actually works well with lolita" items is something I notice. More often you see it with shoes, bags, and hair accessories for classic and gothic and with random jewellery/hair clips for sweet. Usually manifests as the coord looking "off" in photos but with nothing specific, like a nitpick rather than truly ita.

Is there a specific name or search word for this kind of multi strap shoe? Or does anyone have a brand recommendation? Ty

>>10744571
4連ベルトシューズ or 4ストラップシューズ
There are Jane Marple pairs that pop up on the secondhand market from time to time. Miho Matsuda makes a pair as well but they currently only have the wine colorway in stock. I think that American Duchess also has a similar pair (your best bet if your feet are over 24.5 cm)

>order from AP paris
>get package but postal worker tells me it arrived empty

Goddammit, this has never happened to me before. what do I do?

>>10744665
Did the postal worker say the package was damaged that’s why it’s empty, or it’s really just an empty box seen through the scans? Maybe go pick up the package and open it right then and film the whole thing so you can show Paris if they really did send an empty package.

>>10744669
The postal worker handed the package tube to me and explained to me it had arrived to the post office empty. So, I'm thinking maybe this was customs who fucked up and lost it? I've heard horror stories of packages arriving half opened or slashed up.

>>10744676
>>10744665
US? I'm gonna let you know, if they are slashed up you need to report it. I was having this happen to nearly all of my packages from overseas, until I did. Then they fucking stopped. It's someone that is fucking with shit in transit at the post.

>>10744665
>>10744669
>>10744676
>>10744680
This happened to me when i ordered a shirt domestically in the US. The only thing you can do is to tell AP paris about this situation.

>>10744665
I swear La Poste is the most sketch courier I've ever dealt with. I stopped buying from AP Paris completely because of them.

Long story short, my package was delivered to someone in France, even though LA Poste confirmed over the phone to AP Paris that it was indeed an international package destined for the US. What's more is that before it was finally "delivered," I had contacted AP Paris because there were delivery attempts domestic to France (red flag) and La Poste claimed it was just ~problems at the airport~ and the package was being sent back to AP Paris. It would not surprise me if someone from LA Poste stole your items before it even got on a plane.

Contact AP Paris immediately and tell them exactly what the local courier told you. They should give you a full refund, even though I know that doesn't make up for getting the items again.

>>10744699
Just wanted to add if it wasn't clear, La Poste also did nothing to get the wrongly delivered package back. I never heard of it again. So I'm pretty sure it was stolen by La Poste.

How do you, personally, decide whether to coord with OTKs, tights, or ankle socks?

>>10744682
>The only thing you can do is to tell AP paris about this situation.
No you fuckwad. I just told you, you need to report when these things are happening to your postal service because it's likely someone trying to steal your shit.

why did novala choose to feature btssb in kamikaze girls instead of ap? was btssb more popular than ap at that point in time?

>>10744744
yes. AP's popularity really only came in on the OTT craze

>>10744737
For me, it’s tights in the winter, otks in medium temps, and ankle socks in the summer.

>>10744744
Because they're the superior brand

>>10744744
AP at the time also were essentially mimicking BTSSB's style and they weren't the only brand to do so either. BTSSB was THE brand for many years.

>>10744737
I dont wear ankle socks. It depends on the length of the skirt or texture of the fabrics when I'm not wearing matchy-matchy AP sweet (in which case I wear OTKs pretty much exclusively), where I'll wear lace topped OTKs if the skirt is a little shorter just to add some visual interest to the hem area, plus I'm really leggy and I like showing a teeny bit of bare thigh. If the skirt is longer or I feel like the rest of the coord calls for it I'll wear textured tights. Plus obviously if it's cold I'll wear thick tights. All this is just personal preference though.

Have we ever gotten any "lore" behind any of the AP characters like Lyrical Bunny or Candy-chan like we have Usakumya (however barebones and silly)?

>>10744744
because ap is dogshit next question

>>10744745
It was a bit earlier than that, 2005 to the early 10's saw AP shoot up in popularity

>>10744737
Based on if my blouse is short or long sleeved, so basically depending on weather.

>>10744339
Thank you!
I am a bit skeptical of Chinese brands, maybe Japanese would be better, and now that I know it's Chinese, I start to wonder if those bows are the type of tacked on bows that /cgl/ complains about on Chinese lolita.
But sounds good, and I actually liked more of the things from the brand.

What's the male equivalent of lolita fashion in the J-Fashion sphere? Or should I just fuck off to /fa/? I promise I don't wanna become a woman

>>10744832
Ouji or EGA

>>10744834
oh EGA that's exactly what I was gunning for

thank you

How do i prevent my while cutsews from getting pit stains? I wash them after wearing and wear deodorant but they still get darker over time.

>>10744850
It's probably your deodorant. Deodorants with aluminum cause yellow pit stains no matter what you do. You'll need to switch to a natural deodorant.

>>10744854
this isn't true

Newfag here
Do all/most lolita shoes have to have a chunky heel (if a heel is present)? I like wearing kitten heels and Cuban heels but I don't know if that's a faux pas

>>10744880
most of them do, yes. those kinds of heels can look good, but often read more gyaru, depending on your style. a lot of sweet lolitas used to buy those heart heels you see in hime gyaru and i absolutely hate them with lolita.

>>10744854
Completely not true. Deodorant with aluminium is antiperspirant. Natural deodorant won’t do anything. I wear the “clinical strength” antiperspirant in lolita. Antiperspirants aren’t healthy to wear 24/7 but I would wear them when I’m wearing lolita

>>10744880
>>10744884
OP here. This is sort of what I'm looking at for a co-ord, if that helps. I want something mary-jane-ish in navy and I'm probably looking in the wrong spots because I'm not seeing a ton of options. I'll keep looking though, thanks for the advice!

If I walk around the 'safer' parts of LA like ktown/little tokyo or burbank in lolita/jfash, will people heckle me or would it just be normal and nobody bats an eye?

>>10744893
Why not go for the exact pair you have in your photo?
>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c-s.w4004-10980663927.14.410758b8qhRdFx&id=37598101444

The ribbon is a little wonky here's two more suggestions:
>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c-s.w4004-10980663927.30.410758b8qhRdFx&id=40070895169
>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c-s.w4002-24179651105.17.5113303aE87ZY4&id=530868197151

>>10744909
I was worried that the heel wasn't "chunky" enough for them to be lolita, hence my question, lol. If they aren't off-limits I certainly will look into them.
Basically I wouldn't pair stilettos with a lolita co-ord, so I was curious if these were too close to that line.

>>10744885
Sweat doesn't cause yellow pit stains. The aluminum in antiperspirant does. If you wore a natural deodorant, yes you might sweat or even smell, but you won't permanently damage your clothes

>>10744911
the heel doesn't have to be chunky. it depends on what style you're going for.

>>10744913
Sweat can react with bacteria on your skin and still leave yellow stains. Yes, aluminum is the biggest culprit, but not using antiperspirant doesn't always solve it.

You don't even need natural deodorant (which is usually completely useless); all deodorants are aluminum-free by default. If they contained aluminum, they'd be antiperspirants.

>>10744925
Awesome, thank you so much. I just noticed that BTSSB has some low heels in a similar style so I feel much better about finding them elsewhere.
To make a long story short, I've seen a lot of commentary about shoes looking "costumey" so it's the element I'm most worried about going off-brand for. Again, ty for the advice!

>>10744885
What >>10744913 anon said. I used antiperspirants since I started wearing deodorant and ruined every shirt I touched with pit stains. I switched to natural deodorant years ago and I haven't had any problems since. I'm saying this as someone who lives in a hot area and wears lolita on an almost daily basis, I sweat like a bitch in white blouses and not a single one has gotten stained. I sweat, but it doesn't leave any stains and I'll take being sweaty over permanently damaging my clothes. At the very least the deodorant masks the smell and I can freshen up and reapply if it ever wears off.
It's possible there's antiperspirants that won't ruin anon's clothes and if any anons want to suggest some then go ahead, I'm just giving advice based off of my experience.

>>10744941
what deodorant exactly do you use now,anon?

>>10744944
I use the arm and hammer natural deodorant

>>10744913
this >>10744933

>>10744933
And a bunch of natural deodorants specifically stop you from smelling by preventing the growth of bacteria in the first place. Glycolic acid and nano silver do just this.

>>10744951
>nano silver
that's just aluminum again. any natural deodorant with "silver" or "alum" is using an aluminum derivative.

>>10744960
It isn't. Micro silver is....silver. Aluminum is aluminum. they are different elements. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about when you don't.

you basically have to choose between yellow pitstains with antiperspirant or smelling worse with natural deodorant

>>10744976
i bet you think collodial silver is also silver...

>>10744951
Also a correction to this, it's micro silver and not nano silver. Micro silver is too big to actually get into your skin, so it sits on top as an antibacterial

>>10744978
What the fuck do you think micro means? It's literally just small metallic silver particles with no colloidal silver. Stop pretending you know shit

>>10744978
>In nuud there is neither nano silver nor colloidal silver, in nuud there is only 100% metallic micro silver.
>nuud has no aluminium

Why are you so vehemently against deodorant that you're completely making shit up? Are you trying to get us to ruin our clothes like you?

>>10744933
This. If only aluminum deodorant causes stains, then how come collars and things like that become yellow over time? I don't think people are covering their necks in deodorant.

>>10744992
That's called "dirt", retard, and it means you should be washing your clothes regularly. Armpit stains aren't just dirt, it occurs when the aluminum reacts with the protein in your sweat. This is much more difficult to clean than regular sweat/dirt, because sweat on its own is actually colorless.

>>10744992
because it's caused by the bacteria, aluminum and metal reacts with the bacteria, which speeds up the process, but all bacteria does it.

>>10744988
no one is against deodorant, you're just being tricked by clever marketing schemes.

>>10744998
you've gotten literally every fact wrong here, so I don't think we're the ones being tricked by marketing schemes. keep buying that aluminum, it's great for your clothes

>>10744992
if you have yellow sweat then you have an very rare disorder called chromhidrosis. sweat is normally colorless.

>>10744996
even broken down by bacteria, sweat doesn't suddenly begin turning your pits yellow on its own. the bacteria breakdown just causes the stink.

>>10744999
NTA, but you actually don't know what you're talking about.
>>10745000
>>10745002
The bacteria in sweat turns yellow eventually due to oxidation though, retard. It doesn't only happen on armpits, metals just speed up the process.

>>10745005
>NTA, but you actually don't know what you're talking about.
they've gotten literally nothing right though. they thought silver was aluminum and that a metallic silver product had colloidal silver
>The bacteria in sweat turns yellow eventually due to oxidation
kek what? what component in sweat would cause it to "oxidize"? i'm looking it up and finding literally nothing so this also sounds made up. You might just have chromhidrosis anon

>>10745007
>what component in sweat would cause it to "oxidize"
salt, dumbass.

>>10745009
salt oxidizes OTHER things you stupid retard, holy fuck. it's not going to "oxidize" fabric. stop making shit up.

also literally anyone who has ever exercised will tell you that their white sweaty clothes don't just spontaneously turn yellow later in the day. you must have chromhidrosis.

>>10745019
No one is talking about later in the day, or the fabric, retard. Salt in sweat causes it the bacteria in sweat to oxadize, but it happens over time. The OP asked why sweat stains in general turn yellow like around collars and stuff. That's why, because dirty bitches don't wash their shit and the sweat yellows. Pay attention.

>>10745020
>Salt in sweat causes it the bacteria in sweat to oxadize
this is literally made up nonsense. sweat doesn't "yellow" except that anything wet will trap more dirt.

the dirt around your collars isn't just caused by sweat. it's dead skin cells and dirt in general on a point of constant contact. no one's neck sweats that much more severely than elsewhere on their body

>>10745020
>Salt in sweat causes it the bacteria in sweat to oxadize
fucking kek what are you on about? what about that bacteria would cause it to oxidize? and why would that somehow turn it yellow? there is a reason that chromhidrosis is a rare disorder, because it's abnormal and not supposed to happen. you clearly have it, so stop assuming everyone else does

>>10745027
nyayrt

Almost all natural fabrics contain lignin, which gets broken down over time, and is sped up by bacteria. Sweat catches the bacteria on your skin and holds it in place, especially in certain areas (armpits and back of neck/collar are the two biggest for tops). When lignin breaks down, one of the things it breaks down into are phenolic acids, which have a yellow tint to them.

It's the same phenomenon that turns old books yellow.

Yes, most pit stains are caused by aluminum deodorant, but if you primarily wear natural fibres, you can often see this, too. And yes, gently washing your clothes immediately after wearing them and not letting anything sit on the fabric longer than necessarily will stop most of this from happening, but asking most lolitas to wash their clothes regularly is like asking AP to make nice clothes again. Ain't gonna happen.

>>10744908
I want to know too, I'm moving soon and I really don't want to give up wearing the fashion daily

>>10745035
yes, all fabric yellows with time and wear, but this is nowhere near as severe as the effects of aluminum, which is what anon is trying to imply here. wearing a deodorant which A) doesn't have aluminum, and B) is antibacterial either by being acidic or using micro silver, is going to significantly cut down on both of the causes of yellowing.

>>10745035
>asking most lolitas to wash their clothes regularly
I genuinely dont understand this. WHY? are they too cheap to get a pro and too scared to DIY? Fucking up your clothes is 10x better than walking around in the same dank ass blouse and JSK you've worn to 4 meets without washing. fucking nasty.

>>10745048
No idea. It's not hard to get some gentle laundry detergent and handwash your things. Even if you're a lifestyler and don't have the time to handwash everything immediately after you wear it, if you at least set aside a couple of hours a week, it isn't hard to do. And lots of dresses and blouses are totally fine to throw in the washing machine, too.

I can even understand wearing a JSK a couple of times since it doesn't directly touch your skin, but there are definitely some people who go months without washing them.

don't have anyone specific to reply to hear since everyone in the last 20 posts is talking about it, but you can also get stick on sweat patches to put in the armpit area of your clothing. Won't catch everything, but it'll catch a lot. I use them in things like cardigans that I plan to wear several times before washing.

>>10745045
No one was trying to suggest that, they were answering an unrelated question. Stop being so fucking defensive.

>>10745071
I just use cheap pantyliners from the dollar store for this. A pack of 80 for $1 lasts me forever.

y'all aren't wearing undershirts?

>>10745117
this has never really been practical for me unless im wearing an easily washable cotton blouse anyway. if i'm wearing an OP, then it's usually too bulky to do anything.

How much do Moitie coats go for second hand these days? I have a winter coat I'm looking to sell, it's not on lolibrary but looks pretty old design-wise to me. It's wool with a lace overlay and has a detachable fur collar.

>>10745117
That's what I'm wondering.. I could see washing stuff a lot if you're sweating directly into it but I always wear an undershirt so I don't see why it's necessary

>>10745123
makes me way too hot, especially since i like to wear cardigans and jackets with my coords. i would if i lived somewhere colder

>>10745123
You're telling me you don't wash your blouses after you use them because you think a cotton shirt protects them from getting dirty? Holy shit kek.

>>10745123
It's not just me anon, this advice is all over normie websites too
https://www.cleaninginstitute.org/cleaning-tips/clothes/laundry-basics/do-i-need-wash#:~:text=T%2Dshirts%2C%20tank%20tops%20and,worn%203%20times%20before%20washing.
>Outer clothes like dress shirts and khakis can be worn a few times before washing unless it is hot out and you are sweating or they are visibly dirty or stained.
Y'all just wearing out your clothes for no reason, unless you are really sloppy when you eat there's no reason to wash blouses every time when you wear an undershirt.

>>10745391
Meant for>>10745382

>>10745132
>>10745119
I have this thing and it's great:
https://www.uniqlo.com/ph/en/products/E432462-000?colorCode=COL35
It's super thin and seamless so it adds almost no bulk.

>>10745391
Nayrt but that's disgusting. Dirt and dust still get on them, you inevitably brush against things throughout the day, they touch surfaces where the last person could have been sweating, your hair (oil and the dirt/dust it collects from the day) touches them, etc. Hand washing doesn't wear items out as long as you aren't applying friction.

>>10745396
>they touch surfaces where the last person could have been sweating,
Wtf are you doing in a day?
Here is another source that says wash dress shirts every 5 wears:
https://www.realsimple.com/home-organizing/cleaning/laundry/how-often-should-i-wash-this
Doesn't specify for dresses but I would assume it's also 5 wears like other outerwear.

I'm otherwise really clean of a person, I literally bathe twice a day, I try not to do anything messy or gross in my dresses or be near gross people or things.

>>10745397
>tfw i just buy spray that kills bacteria

>>10745396
Unless you're running around on a farm, your clothes should not be overly soiled with dust and dirt from just 2 wears.

help please tell me where to find SHORT sleeve GOTHIC blouses.. i swear to god every short sleeve blouse is always Sweet leaning

>>10745510
Have you looked at Sheglit?

>>10744908
Little tokyo isn't as safe as it was before the pandemic, and Burbank is a shithole. Overall LA doesn't care much about weird clothes as long as you don't look like a mess. You just might get crazy homeless people trying to talk to you. Just ignore them

>>10745397
Going to public spaces in brand, unlike you apparently... Bold of you to assume fatties don't sweat just from breathing and you never know what the person in the chair before you was wearing. Some women don't wear panties in skirts ffs and you sit in that same chair and think you shouldn't wash your dress after? You're the type I get clothes from and the wash water turns brown as soon as its submerged. Most of those sites are more about being eco friendly than reducing funk. I may be autistic but at least my clothes are clean.

>>10745598
not to mention some men jerk off in public.

>>10745598
>>10745604
Where are you going that you're collecting peoples crotch sweat and cum on your brand? Just get a car or walk, going on public transport when you're in lolita is retarded

>>10745605
I don't use public transport. Have you never been to a cafe, a tea house, a movie theater, sat on a park bench, etc. in lolita? Some of us actually wear our clothes.

Do any gulls know what wig brand ClosetChild use for their stock photos?

>>10745711
picrel

>>10745605
Your advice is stupid kek. "Get a car or walk"... Like those two options are always available to everyone

>>10745598
Not everyone wants to wear $1000 of brand outside anon, and that's ok. Cope harder.

>>10745716
Get a bike or Uber places, I doubt someone who wears a luxury fashion is too poor for either. And if they are, then they have no business worrying about the most likely valueless clothes they own

>>10745720
>luxury fashion
Nta but holy fuck are we back to poorfags thinking lolita is "luxury" and expensive?

>>10745728
It's more expensive than normie clothes, and normies can afford to rent a bike or get an Uber - that's my entire point. Sorry a word triggered you.

>>10745747
you mean fast fashion. lolita is not more expensive than real adult clothing.

What accessories should I buy for my jabot?

>>10745747
Is everyone in this thread American? Taking public transport nicely dressed is a completely normal thing here and I've never heard of anyone that terrified of the great unwashed... Like, you might not want to do that if you're dressed in a very OTT coord, but that's more about the convenience if anything.

>>10745756
Even in America public transit can suck but in areas where its actually somewhat reliable and used there are indeed lots of people who take public transit.


Only someone both stupid and gross/unhygienic would think buying a bike or car is somehow a better solution than washing your goddamn clothes.

Is this from a taobao store with a big markup or is the lm seller actually making these?

>>10745753
Yes, and that's what most normies wear

is this okay for classic, you think?
was honestly thinking about getting oxfords from doc marten instead but they either have that yellow stitching thing or practically no heel

>>10745845
it doesn't make it a luxury fashion though. luxury fashion is a specific thing, not just anything more expensive than old navy.

>>10745861
No, looks like mens' shoes

>>10745861
Agreed with >>10745867, you'd be much better off finding oxfords specifically for women - something similar to picrel. Ones with a small heel would look best with classic imo.

>>10745867
>>10745869
mm, fair enough! i was mostly looking at normie shops so i could try to return if they don't fit if i'm going to buy something leather-- seems a lot of their oxfords are very masculine looking even if they're women's.
i'll keep hunting but i appreciate the help!

>>10745871
Are you retarded? How do you not know the difference between mens and womens shoes. There’s stupid questions, and then there’s yours

>>10745875
every oxford i'd seen on the same website was similar looking and marketed as women's shoes and from a women's shoe brand. no need to be rude.

>>10745875
Most women's shoes don't have heels and frilly details to distinguish them from men's shoes retard.

>>10745881
Do you really not see the painfully obvious difference between >>10745861
and >>10745861? Bows and heels aren't necessary for a feminine shoe design

>>10745881
Do you really not see the painfully obvious difference between >10745861 and >>10745869? Bows and heels aren't necessary for a feminine shoe design

>>10745884
I give up, meant to tag >>10745861

>>10745884
I was referring to the second example when I was talking about feminine designs. Some brands make their women's and men's shoes plain with the same designs.

>>10745871
You can sometimes find those women's heeled oxfords at normie shops. When Payless used to exist, I bought two pairs - one brown, one black.The black has a lower heel and a pillowy insole (actually I think it's Dr Schols brand or something) and it's really comfy to walk in.

My shoes def weren't leather though.If you're looking for leather, American Duchess carries all sorts of leather oxfords. they're more expensive than docs though (around $200)

is wunderwelt like broken lately or something? whenever i look at used piece every single piece has a measurement of like 3-50cm
unless it's extremely fucking common for japanese girls to be THIS small

>>10745901
30-50 sorry

>>10745901
Anon, those are obviously flat/half measurements

>>10745901
i checked out a couple of their newly uploaded used dresses and i'm not noticing a difference.
they are flat measurements-- you are doubling them, right?

>>10745914
>>10745915
i have transcended stupid questions. oh my god.
thank you both.... oh my god im an idiot

>>10745916
no worries! closetchild usually does half-measurement for busts and full-measurement for waist, rather than both bust and waist being half like wunderwelt, so i forget sometimes too.

What is bad about bodyline other than its cheap?

>>10746042
Because it’s cheap, they didn’t give a shit about the construction or the tailoring. and you will also not look great if you wear it. They have had some ok basic pieces in the past, and in the very far past they had some good old school pieces. Not now though.
You can buy it and it will be ‘ok’ and then you’ll end up replacing everything with better quality brand and wasting money.
Also it’s not really cheap anymore with the shipping fees. Might as well get 2ndhand brand.

>>10746042
Everything feels like gross plastic. I've bought so much bodyline in the past and got rid of it all cause it's just not nice to wear. Their shoes are good however.

>>10746042
good for shoes and maybe things like wrist cuffs/headpieces still
it's just "you get what you pay for" basically

>>10746048
>>10746052
Can I buy basic shoes and petticoats from them?

>>10746058
basic shoes should be fine. petticoats maybe, you'll want better poof later on than what bodyline can do. don't get the super short pettis, those are useless for lolita and only good for something like fairy kei

anyone else too picky for their own good? i’ve been wearing lolita for ages but only cycle through a very limited number of dresses because almost everything looks like shit to me. i still love the fashion, but feel a bit sad that i limit myself in terms of what i wear. i also feel weird interacting with the community because i’m not showing off my new buys every week, i just keep on wearing the same stuff that i happen to like. is anyone else like this?

>>10746042
It's cheap in quality but it used to have a good price for what it was before the 2010s. Not anymore though, it's been very overpriced for what you get for many years. Nowadays it's even worse, they straight up resell taobao for what used to be their more useful items like their socks so you can only find the "better" original bodyline items secondhand (even more overpriced by scalpers). At that point just get second hand brand.
They also used to produce a ton of brand knockoffs

If AP quality has gone down due to manufacturing cost increases, why is Baby's quality still A tier for the same cost?

>>10746117
Because BABY has honor and standards.

>>10746117
because that's not why. ap is clearly just taking advantage of the fact that the chinese comm is fine with cheap materials. meta hasn't gone down in quality either. and tb brands that copy AP's style are better quality as far as materials now.

>>10746117
because babyfags aren't drooling retards

>>10746121
I think it might be AP wanting more profit too

>>10746103
Yeah, I'm super picky and rarely find anything I like. I think it's good though. I like the ideas of slow fashion and minimalist living so I think it's better to not have new things constantly. You're being more intentional that way.

>>10746121
>meta hasn't gone down in quality either.
A nitpicky observation, Meta has simplified their cuts such that most of their dresses don't have zippers anymore, just a very generous shirring panel. I also thought the polychiffon used for Magical Artefact was a little bit lackluster.
On the other hand, I poked around their shop today and it seems like they're releasing a lot of stuff in cotton still. Their Dim Light re-release is listed as "burberry cotton," which I hope is the same thick cotton with the beautiful texture cause I really love that about the original. Their prints are absolutely knocking it out of the park too (the violet one, anyone?). Plus they do their releases in two or three sizes. Seems like they're saving money here and there but really preserve quality where it counts, so they're A+ in my book still.

When's the last time Maiden Clothing's updated their stock? I feel like I've seen the same stuff for the last year or something. Did they go out of business?

>>10746238
They haven't had new stock for a very long time, over a year at least

I have a couple 100% cotton VW items that need to be dyed black, but I don't want to ruin the tags. As far as I can tell, they're embroidered with poly thread, so it's likely they won't take the dye at all, but would it be better to remove them just in case? Picrel is one of the tags.

>>10746331
Just remove the tags and sew them back on after. Preserves resell value and it will stay a bright gold. Ime dying black over poly makes it dingy looking.

>>10746333
I'm wondering what's the best way to go about doing that. The tags are sewn into the lining on both items, so if I sew them back on the stitching will be visible from the outside, unless I want to disassemble the entire thing.

>>10746331
Maybe use some wax resist sticks on the tags?

>>10746335
I see what you mean. You could try the wax like nonnie said >>10746340 but if the piece is black and you sew it back with black thread, even if the stitching shows it likely won't look out of place.

>>10746340
Thanks, I'll try that! Did some researching and discovered Jacquard Procion MX, which is supposedly a cold water dye that doesn't react with polyester or poly blends, so I'll buy that to test it out on a different tag before using it on my VW.

There is a video of Misako saying there are only 5 lolita substyles: classic, gothic, sweet, traditional (oldschool) and ouji, but i cant find it anywhere
Can someone point me to it?

>>10746335
Just handsew it back in. You'll have to mention it if you ever sell anyway.

>>10746331
my btssb tag turned purple after dying a blouse black

>>10746331
stop trying to dye shit already. it doesn't work. dye is for fabric not pieces.

>>10746500
I think she's trying to dye things that are already black to refresh the color which should work

>>10746500
You're retarded, stop trying to tell people dyeing doesn't work just because you're too scared to try. Don't use shit dye and practice beforehand on things you don't care about.

>>10746331
Just get some waterproof tape and stick it over the tag

>>10746503
it doesn't work. period. stop this meme.

>>10746502
No, it's a troll. That's why the keep posting >>10746503 every time. They're trying to bait people.

>>10746500
>>10746514
It's already black, just faded... You alright there? Thought it was painfully obvious from the photo. I'm not a troll either, just someone who cares about keeping their clothes looking good lmao

>>10746514
Yes, I'm a troll because I'm not stupid enough to think you can't dye clothing. Go touch grass nonnie

>>10746522
Obviously a troll unless you missed the last few dye jobs that went horribly bad.

>>10746532
post things you've dyed then. oh wait.

Really stupid question -
What taobao store is this bag from? And does anyone have the link to the new style with sheer-looking fabric?
I swear I saw DevilInspired post a reel or something with the new style in pink, but I can't find it anymore.

>>10746533
It's a BLACK item, anon. If you're unfamiliar with the concept of refreshing black clothes by dyeing the black, you're retarded. Nobody missed the threads of people dyeing their pink poly skirts black, which is completely different.

>>10746535
nayrt but its pretty obvious at this point youre just trying to convince ppl to sell their shit cheap rather than fix it.

>>10746549
>trying to convince ppl to sell their shit
lol no

Is American prep fashion the Western equivalent of - and comparable to - Japanese Kogal? I'm not sure whether to ask this question on /fa/ or /cgl/.

>>10746581
No, because japanese kogal is not just looking like the uniform. there seem to be other behaviours like using slang and going to photo booths together. And you would have friends that dress kogal too.
American prep has no kind of sense of community like japanese fashions nearly all tend to have.
The only similar aspect is the school uniform aesthetic

>>10746581
all of these outfits would look out of place in kogyaru or even nanchatte, the styling, clothing, and mood are entirely different

>>10746581
no, kogyaru isn't a fashion style. it's just the term for aspiring gyaru trying to skirt past school uniform requirements by making them look as gyaru as possible. it also can refer to older gyaru wearing nanchatte, which is a trend of wearing school uniforms as fashion.

>>10746584
also this is really fucking inaccurate.

>>10746539
https://boguta.taobao.com/

Best methods to get yellowing out of a white blouse?

My ideal blouse popped up with significant yellowing around the collar. It was cheap so I thought I’d give it a shot. I’m not sure what chance I have as the yellowing has probably been there a while (blouse has the old AP tag), but I’m going to try.

>>10746804
Have you tried using oxiclean or liquid bluing

Are there any notable differences between the newer rereleases of the Elizabeth OP and the older versions? The skirt on the newer versions looks a lot more voluminous but is that just a result of different petticoats or is it actually wider?

>>10746843
It always looked like the wide rose lace they use is quite a bit narrower on the newer releases. The ribbons are a different, shinier material as well, and they're trimmed in a v-shape instead of diagonally.

>>10746804
Oxiclean or bleach if it's cotton, dilute the bleach.

I need to replace some black ribbon for corset lacing, what kind do I need? I went to Joann's and they just have shitty looking ribbon. I also remember there was some japanese brand that the lolita brands used the ribbon, but I can't remember that one either

>>10746843
The skirts on Elizabeth have always been absurdly huge.

>>10746843
It looks like the sleeves are different lengths. The old ones looked like they hit at the elbow while the new ones are way longer

>>10746631
Bless you, anon

>>10746892
laces.taobao.com has that ribbon with the cotton-y finish, although I believe it's still polyester

>>10746892
>some japanese brand that the lolita brands used the ribbon
I need to know this too! I remember an anon posting the link to their website a while back, but can't for the life of me remember what they're called

Do old school style purikura booths like this still exist in Japan? Ones that barely apply filters over your face, if at all

>>10747009
if you think that's barely applied i have bad news for you.

>>10747011
Compared to the bug-eyed blurry alien mess that modern purikura makes you look like, it is

you're allowed to wear cutsews under JSKs right? would it still be considered a proper coord or just "casual"?

>>10747009
No, they all do the snow filter whiteface/ anime eyes thing. At least I've never seen one, I didn't live in Tokyo tho.

>>10747014
you can change the settings on them.

>>10747017
I would say it's a proper coord. The material of cutsews would be more appropriate for going about and doing errands etc. is all. But if you're looking for something more elegant or hime-style, a blouse would work better.

Anyone else has issues with Lace Market today? I can access messages for example

>>10747158
I figured that I can access new messages via my email. The selling page is also accessible, so if you need to send out invoices, you can still do that.

>>10747158
Yep, I've been stuck on loading screen for the last couple of hours whenever I try to move past the home page. I say just try again after a few hours.

>>10746456
Idk but there is also a video of her with a lolita jpop group where she says there are dozens of lolita substyles

>>10746456
https://youtu.be/E0izDSIrrus
She doesn't say they're the only styles, she says they are the major styles.

What does it mean when your order is "Unfulfilled" on wunderwelt?

>>10747265
That it's placed but hasn't been sent off.

>>10747265
it desires a career change

>>10747333
Kek

Can any gulls that have experience using american forwarding services recommend me some good ones please? My only experience with forwarding services is tenso, so something simple and reliable as that would be nice

how are the bodyline rectangle headdresses? Are they really fugly irl because it looks fine to me from pictures.i'm considering getting one

>>10747415
They're totally fine. Wore them for years until I got some nicer brand ones.

>>10747415
They're pretty good for the price, I wear mine pretty regularly. I had a bitch of a time getting the fold crease out of mine when it arrived though.

Does anyone have the link to the Geocities website of this lolita? I saved a couple photos from it, but can't find the link anymore and I'd like to archive it in full

What brands are known for having most/least forgiving OTKs? I've seen someone say Innocent World isn't very stretchy, etc. I have mixed luck with normie OTKs and I'm trying to decide if it's worth trying burando, or if I should just go for a different style altogether.

>>10747693
I think you are too late, anon. Geocities.jp closed down a couple of years ago

>>10747765
I've heard Meta is the best but their older thick printed OTKs seem just about the same as AP's thick printed OTKs, same with IW. I think the type of material means more than the brand, at least based on my experience. Typical thicker knitted "sock" material OTKs will probably stretch more while thinner stocking-like materials can vary a lot.

>>10747765
I'd say meta is definitely the most forgiving I've come across, but the lace topping they use is too voluminous for my coords personally.
You could also get some nicer quality normie OTKs and sew lace on top of it.

>>10747765
Agreed on Meta being the stretchiest at least socks from after around 2010 or so. New AP aren’t very stretchy at all but their older socks are a bit better, still smaller than Meta’s though. Baby’s are somewhere in the middle, the lace up print ones have less stretch because of the pattern but their others are fairly stretchy. Never had IW

I'm considering prostitution to buy more brand items, I refuse to wear something other than AP.

>>10747765
Moitie has really nice cotton cross lace OTKs and these bitches STRETCH even over my bigger calves and thighs. they also go over my knee very easily as well

I want to make a handmade rectangle head dress but I am scared some people call the handmade ones maxi pads , what is a maxi pad lolita headdress and how can I avoid to make mine shaped like one ? Is pic rel perfect or too big?

>>10747867
it's just slang. it doesn't mean anything bad or good. the maxi pad ones just technically have rounded ends though instead of being a pure rectangle, but both are fine to wear and often look the same. Your picrel is fine and is a maxi pad headdress, because the end is rounded. see picrel for a rectangle shape

>>10747871
>the maxi pad ones just technically have rounded ends though instead of being a pure rectangle
no...they're called maxipad because of the size

>>10747863
just date some nerdy engineer or other stem worker and make them buy it for you

>>10747767
I know, I'm looking for an archived version of the website to save the images

Can anyone please recommend a petticoat for these tiered styled jsks?

I have 3 different petticoats in different shapes and poof level and whenever I put one of them on it bulges in the black part and is incredibly limp in the blue part. Plz someone who’s smart tell me what I’m doing wrong

>>10747954
Get an a-line petticoat. It sounds like the ones you have are too cupcake shaped.

How do you gulls budget for lolita? Do you use an app or what?

>>10748091
I just mentally know how much money I should be spending based on my monthly discretionary income and don't go over. Not that hard.

>>10748091
take out a personal loan and get some credit cards, then declare bankruptcy to wipe the slate clean

>>10748091
I shove money from my paycheck into my savings and bills and shit first. and then anything leftover is what i can spend for whatever purpose including lolita

>>10748091

I know overall I shouldn't go over a certain amount in my bills per month so once I hit that I'm on no buy. It's comfortable enough so if there's an emergency, barring some freak accident I can pay it.

Hi! absolute newfag here, I need advice. lemme explain, I am both a tranny AND a total noob to not only jfashion. I don't even own a petticoat, but I have been bookmarking lolita fits on many sites, and I want to finally get a dress, and after a while of looking I decided on a sunflower dress from taobao.
The problem is I am a 5'9 tranny that weighs 145 lbs, and I usually wear a Large. the dress. People (real women usually) often say I size up for no reason, and in the case of this dress its only is available in medium, but I never purchased a dress from China, either AliEx or TB so idk how true to size chinese sizing is.
So my question is, should I get this dress as my first lolita dress or should I get a lolita esque fit from some other western site (such as Shein or ROMWE) as a starting point to see how I feel about lolita fashion?
>link:
https://m.tb.cn/h.fq2HgsL?tk=6ruY2hgz5JC

>TL;DR: I am a tall tranny who wears large usually. Should I get this dress in a Medium?

>>10748391
Don’t even bother trying to order from romwe or shein, it’s just a waste of time and energy even for normie stuff. It has no resell value so if you decide lolita Is not for you you’ll be stuck with a bunch of crap you can’t get rid of.

Def size up if you have broad shoulders and look for pieces with shirring. you might need strap extenders to make stuff fit if it’s short.

If you don’t want to get too invested and spend a lot of money on lolita for you not to like it, Bodyline is also good to dip your toes in without spending a lot of money.
Hope that helps

>>10748404
It definitely does! I'll lurk more for cheap & good quality sites!

>>10748391
If you wear a western large, there is no way you're fitting into a Chinese medium.

Also, those review photos show how cheap looking this dress is. Clolita really is so goddamn ugly.

>>10748414
Thanks, again I tend to size up a lot apparently (t. Needs to wear a belt with anything large/size 8) but honestly that was another fear because the dress looks different without the petticoat they used when taking this photo. Imo it looked nice even without the petticoat but seeing how little people wore a petticoat with this in the reviews just straight up confused me. I guess I'll order either a different dress or elsewhere

I recently bought this meta skirt with buttons down the front of it, would it look retarded to pair this with a button-down blouse or should I just try to look for a nice cutsew to go along with it? I guess I could just try it on when it gets here and see but I just want some outsider input since I'm a bit new.

>>10748460
If you have something that breaks it up, I think it's fine. A bow or something on the spot where the buttons meet?

Do you ask for feedback on lacemarket ? I bought from 3 different sellers and so far my feedback is still 0-0

Is there anywhere I can get shoes similar to the ETC glitter mary janes that fit size 27-27.5cm (US 11) feet? The closest I’ve found are the CC Feet glitter shoes, but those sadly wont work because they stop at size 42 and I hear they run around a size small.

>>10748627
I would send them a message with a gentle reminder saying you left feedback for them and would appreciate some in return, as an owner of a new account. I notice that people (myself included) forget to do it more than on other platforms, because LM doesn't send out notifications for when you get feedback.

>>10748643
I know Antaina makes replicas of those AP glitter heels, and they do very large custom sizes, so if you don't mind a more fancy shoe with a heel you could give those a try! They also take custom requests, so if you find a shoe that you like, you could always ask them to make it in this glitter material

Would a 23.5cm Liz Lisa shoe size work out well for a 6.5 US shoe size? The next largest size is 24.5, and I know that wouldn't do... Any gulls with experience?

How do I buy from anonhat? They're always sold out :(

when buying online how many cm should i leave between my measurements and what the website gives me? im very bad at figuring out my sizes