/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Would the Catherine op from moitie be good to wear to work or is the coffin lace too much? In your opinion

>>10735251
Depends on your role and environment

>>10735252
I am a data analytics manager and the company is somewhat conservative but you can wear anything within reason

>>10735253
For comparison I usually wear dresses with heels and skirts with cardigans, people are mostly white collar

>>10735253
>>10735254
Uh, very close to home. I would not advise it, honestly. I also wear a lot of dresses, but there's more to management than just whether or not your leadership/office looks down on it.

If you're managing teams, if they are in the least bit normie then you're going to fuel some weird thoughts. Also you'll be conflicting your realm of influence, regardless. White collar still has old standards, despite any claim of progressive nature of acceptance fyi. Personally, because that OP is relatively goth.. you should probably not. Any alternative fashions can be weird, unless you're in a really laid back environment or a startup.

But management is NOT a laid back job, so yes, keep your realm of influence in mind because that is a large part of your job.

>>10735258
Thanks anon, actually I don't manage people even though my title is manager, but you're probably right.

>>10735265
That's very strange. Do you just manage data analytics for a specific type of platform? Usually manager in the title denotes ..a team of data analysts. I mean if you're a one man shop, don't care about your reputation, and don't have to influence other people then you do you. But if you have teams to manage and you need to leverage influence, then it's risky. Specifically open office, large corp environments are a rumor mill as well.

>>10735271
>That's very strange. Do you just manage data analytics for a specific type of platform?
Pretty much, I know it's strange. I think they just gave me the title to keep me happy. But I would prefer to keep my good reputation.

btssb gave me a stamp card the last time I went. Just out of curiosity, what do you get when you fill it up?

>>10735275
You get a certain amount of discount on your next purchase when you reach a certain amount of stamps. I remember getting them when I went to Japan from other shops too, Closet child, Angelic Pretty and even a Sanrio store.

I remember not too long ago people would create petitions/email brands like AP to ask for certain prints to be rereleased. I assume this doesn't actually do much, since Japanese brands mostly focus on China as their largest customer base. Do you think it's still worth trying to make brands aware of the demand for pieces that are universally loved and would be incredibly popular if rereleased?

just got my iron gate 2021 today. i love it very very much, but i've found that there's SO much loose fabric around the waist for me that it feels extra extra sacky.

can i have some idea to define the waist more that ISN'T a corset? i'm a hourglass mixed with rectangle body if that helps

>>10735376
get one of those "corset" belts. they make some really nice ones that are styled like cinchers.

>>10735377
thank you so much! i will totally look into that. do you have any brands you'd recommend?

>>10735384
ntayrt but i highly recommend looking at the corset section on WW since most of the corsets there are fashion not true corsets

>>10735384
Enchantilly, MR Corset

>>10735371
I doubt it these days. Try reaching out to USA stores (or whatever country youre in) that carry those brands and ask them. They likely have more pull. If it's a smaller brand, reaching out directly may work.

>>10735371
Iirc there was an anon in the classic thread who used to occasionally email VM with their suggestions, some of which were taken. They were quite commonly requested items so it might not mean much but maybe worth a try?

>>10735275
When you fill the card you get ¥5000 off your next order.

I only ever hear Japanese lolita brands and people in general say lolita and girls in the same sentence, heck even the brand concepts say girls but no men.

Is it only the West that is forced to accept men and everybody in-between?

>>10735662
Japan is extremely heteronormative. Even though a few lolita wearing men exist (like Mana), there is an assumption men wouldn't dress that way when even most women wouldn't in Japanese society. So no need to mention men. And even if there are men they're more the exception than the rule and they'll be addressed individually if needed, but collectively lolitas are a group of mostly women.

Plus the idea is to be girly and feminine. Even Mana supposedly has a woman speak for him to not ruin the feminine illusion of lolita. Men are irrelevant to the intention of lolita fashion, so there's no need to acknowledge them as they weren't a part of what the brand had in mind even if a few of them look cute in the fashion.

>>10735671
why can't we be like this here...

>>10735671
That was put very nicely.

How is the overall quality of the menswear (mainly jackets) for Fanplus Friend/Neo Ludwig?

>>10735671
1. There are for sure men who wear lolita. There is also a big crossdressing scene in Japan. Its foolish to not think that some cross dressers would be also into lolita. We already are weirdos by dressing this way, so there is going to be other weirdos in this fashion too, you have to deal with that.

2. Mana did not have a woman speak for him, you could actually look up any interview he has done ever to confirm this.

>>10735794
Nayrt but
>Its foolish to not think that some cross dressers would be also into lolita
They literally said "there are men who wear lolita, but they're the exception". Also, crossdressers are fetishists and are generally not accepted or welcome in any community that doesn't consist exclusively of other crossdressing men, so why would brands and female lolitas even acknowledge their existence in the first place? They exist in their own bubble

>Mana did not have a woman speak for him
Have you not seen any of his solo TV appearances?

I'm curious about what terf lolitas think about Mana or feminine looking brolitas. (preferably firsthand accounts but also general observations if you have some to share)

>>10735804
>Also, crossdressers are fetishists
no?

>>10735822
i think they're men who can enjoy whatever they want. the whole thing about being a TERF, contrary to the screeching that goes on here, is that men and women can wear what they want and also remain their genders. there shouldn't be restrictions placed on them. men can be men and wear dresses. wanting to wearing a dress doesn't mean you're a woman, and you don't have to "switch genders" and fuck up your body to like non-stereotypical things.

>>10735826
Yes?

>>10735831
crossdressing isn't automatically a fetish, that's why there are words for it as a fetish. you know, like sissy. i'd rather 500 actual brolitas than 1 troon. just because autistic lolitas can't tell a sissy from a normal crossdresser doesn't mean all of them are like that.

>>10735837
how you think a mentally sound male can wear lolita and not have some kind of fetish for wearing feminine clothing is beyond me

>>10735840
again, sucks that you can't differentiate fetishists but go off. what about ouji? do the little gay shorts really make that much of a difference?

>>10735840
literally mana

>>10735845
>do the little gay shorts really make that much of a difference?
Fucking this. And anyway why wouldn't you want men who aren't fetishists in the community? They can help strong arm fetishists and trannies(since usually metrosexuals and crossdressers hate trannies and sissies because they make it a fetish) Clothing should not be gendered. And lolita never was and never will be a female space.

this thread got me thinking.
what do you all think mana does differently that brolitas NEED to take notes of if they're going to be accepted as a male lolita like mana is?
for me, i think a good idea is to just stay solo and don't join comms.

>>10735871
nothing, just weebs being hypocrites. yellow fever is hard.

>>10735871
Personally he actually puts effort, looks good, and understands lolita. He didn't grow out a beard, throw a shitty wig and bodyline on and call it a day. And it's not like Mana to my knowledge ever tried to creep on anyone using lolita, or try to insert his opinions where he doesn't need to. So he wins in my book.

>>10735871
since when is mana joining random lolita comms full of women?

>>10735871
Well for one thing Mana can actually pass as a woman and does his makeup/hair well. All the popular vkei men who wear lolita (Sena, Kaya, Hizaki, etc.) look like they put a lot of effort into their looks and have feminine enough features that they don't look like troons.

>>10735883
exactly. he generally stays away from women lolitas aside from models and brand reps.

>>10735884
yellow fever.
>>10735883
implying. he literally attends tea parties. there just aren't comms like here in japan for him to join.

>>10735887
There are literally not those kinds of communities in japan

>>10735871
Pioneer a specific lolita aesthetic and start your own brand, never speak, get your clothing specifically tailored to fit, and be a passable woman.

>>10735890
mana doesn't pass. kek. i never understood why people think that. even vk artists don't look like women. androgyny isn't femininity.

>>10735896
I mean, plenty of people thought he was a woman when he was the Big Thing for a few weeks on tiktok. Lmao.

>>10735888
Cope harder. There are plenty of male Japanese Lolita's that look like shit. Pic rel.

>>10735896
He passes because the vast majority of people thought he was a woman before finding out otherwise. That's the criteria for passing whether you like it or not.

>>10735905
>>10735911
just because retards think he passes doesn't mean he does.

>>10735912
> I don't care if Mana is widely perceived as female!!! H-he's obviously not passing because I say so!!!!!
The blind willful ignorance coming from you is staggering.

>>10735914
NTA but only westerners think this.

>>10735871
he doesn't talk. scrotes should take note and do the same.

Now that Lumiebre is dead, where do you go for nice parasols?

>>10735938
They're not dead. What are you smoking?

>>10735905
>>10735911
>>10735914
nayrt but anyone can pass if they filter the shit out of themselves, which he always does.

>>10735830
This 100%. I swear that most of the transgender community actually reinforces gender stereotypes. I rather a biological man just wear a skirt if he wants.

Is BTSSB SF and the shopping center it's in open again? I'm visiting the Bay Area soon and wanted to know if it was worth going into San Francisco for some in-person shopping.

>>10736131
San Francisco sucks and has only seen a rise in crime since the pandemic started. I recently moved out of the bay area and avoided SF like the plague. I would highly recommend you just buy whatever online.

>>10736131
You have to make appointments. They're good about answering emails if you wanted to ask

>>10736128
of course it does. it uses gender reassignment criteria from the 50s. it's literally still the same conversion therapy it's always been. sjws are just too caught up in being inclusive they're ignoring blatant red flags.

What shopping services do you guys use to buy from Mercari and Fril? I've been using Hoyoyo but their response times have been absolute shit the past 2 months. They'd usually buy stuff the day after, but recently I've been waiting 4+ days on dresses. I get that Lunar New Year shit was a week ago but the weird thing is they buy small stuff like socks and cutsews pretty quickly.

How common are trades on lm? Never actually traded with anyone except locally but I've had a lot of newer lolitas try to trade my popular prints for their shitty unliked ones lately and it's getting annoying. Thought it was against the rules?

>>10736168
I just use tenshi or Buyee for mercari if I'm lazy

>>10736133
Ugh, that's what I had heard but was hoping it would be one of those situations where the media has made a mountain out of a molehill. I appreciate the honest heads up.

>>10736286
Does tenshi mark down the value of packages?

>>10736349
No. Most reputable SS don't mark things down. She clearly states it in her terms.

>>10735871
he has enough shame to shoop and blend himself to accetable levels

>>10735923
kek based

i hate tranny enablers that come on here just to gawk at "the ebil terfs on cgl" and ask retarded questions like "do you guys hate mana"

>>10736360
do you hate mana

>>10736360
It doesn’t even make sense because mana is not a tranny, just a gnc man.

>>10736382
please understand that these dumbfucks don't understand the difference

>>10736383
what difference

What petticoat would work with the Nornen OP from Innocent World?

is dejapan a decent shopping service? im ordering something expensive so no fees sounds nice but ive never used them b4

>>10735804
>why would brands and female lolitas even acknowledge their existence in the first place? They exist in their own bubble
No they don't? The crossdressers in Japan go to the brand shops and tea parties regularly. The brands are well aware of them.

>>10736542
Any shopping service that says they have no fees just have hidden fees, and they're most likely higher than you'd get elsewhere. I'd stick with a service that's transparent about how much you're paying them

>>10736538
Shitty bodyline ones are actually the best with this type of shorter, barely A line skirt

Why are there normie Melissa shoes on Lolibrary now?

>>10736233
I've done it a couple times I love trades. Idk if it's banned or not but I don't see why it would be. I would only trade with someone with positive feedback though

>>10736666
You can add anything a brand releases so someone added more vw stuff as they are grandfathered in.

>>10736699
I wish they would've added her iconic pieces that lolitas have been wearing since the 80s, like the various jewelry, bags, corsets, crinoline skirts, discontinued styles of RHS you'd see in old street snaps. Anything but rubber flip flops, flats and rain boots that have nothing to do with J-fash in general, let alone lolita.

>someone messages me on LM asking if i would sell item for x amount
>bids on item
>bid is higher than their offer
?????
Is this weird? I'm not used to people making me offers...

>>10735822
don't care about dudes wearing lolita as long as it's not a fetish to them and they don't think it makes them women. they can be effeminate as they want as long as they aren't creepy about it. it would be hypocritical of me to say otherwise as i am by definition a crossdresser myself (even if people usually don't apply this word to women who wear men's clothes) and only cosplay male characters

I bought an old Baby JSK secondhand that turned out to have overstretched elastic shoulder straps. Is there a way these can be fixed?

What kind of clothing steamer should I get?
(For lolita stuff and casual clothes)

Any recommendations?

Someone please explain to me the meaning of vendetta

Does anyone know where I can torrent Deka Wanko?

>>10736737
All you have to do is replace the elastic which is an easy fix. If you don't know how to do it take it to a tailor.

>>10736737
any tailor worth their salt can fix it and put in new elastic. mine cost about $40 but it depends where you live

>>10736723
they're probably just retarded pay it no mind

>>10736744
Really depends on how much money you want to spend; the cheap little ones work as well as the big ones that come with a stand but the price you're paying for the low cost is having to refill it constantly. If you have the space, the money, and don't need to take your steamer with you, I would say to go for the big ones because constantly refilling the tank on a little travel steamer is annoying (and it's easier for it to splatter you with hot water). The only circumstances I would say just to straight up avoid the travel steamer entirely is if you knit, crochet, tat, or do some other craft that requires blocking (because you basically have to hold the steamer flat against it); I've found that the little handheld ones tend to spill water all over your work
>>10736750
Obsessive hatred of someone
When someone says "vendetta" in an ita thread for example, they're saying the coord isn't that bad and that the poster simply does not like the person (usually with the implication OP has personal drama with said individual, but not necessarily) in the photo and posted it for that reason

>>10736737
You might be able to save some money and replace the elastic yourself depending on your sewing skil and how the item is constructed. If you have some detailed photos of the straps (including the underside) I can advise you on how feasible this is given your sewing experience. I've never owned any jsks with elastic straps but if the elastic is a flat band of elastic inside of a "channel", that is an extremely easy fix. If the fabric is directly sewn to the elastic, that's fixable too but a bit more involved because you have to unpick a lot and sometimes stitches have a tendency to "sink" into elastic making them annoying to pull out. If it's shirred (sewn with elastic thread instead of having elastic inserted), it will be annoying but it is fixable, although this is a more complicated fix that you might want to pay a tailor for if you aren't confident.
For future reference btw, don't hang your items with elastic straps by the straps. Sometimes these garments come with little loops for hanging and if they don't, use a pants hanger to hang the item from the bodice instead of straps.

>>10736349
No, but she'll send to tenso so you can mark it down yourself and have a wider range of shipping choices.

>>10735251
No wtf

What is the Chinese lolita community like? Western lolitas keep saying China is the biggest lolita market and brands cater to chinese lolitas and not us so i was just wondering what they're like, what kind of girl wears lolita, what styles are more popular etc

About how long does EMS shipping from Japan to the USA take right now?
I've been using DHL and Yamato for the past two years and have no idea what to expect from EMS anymore.

I recently switched to EMS because Closetchild says DHL doesn't automatically include insurance, which surprised me.

Anyone have any experience with Yohji Yamamoto's sizing? I know generally you should expect to size down, but I heard a lot of their stuff is made to have a looser oversize fit.

>>10737088
>what kind of girl wears lolita
annoying nouveau rich girls who have daddy's money. a lot of rich chinese girls don't have to do anything with their lives and they just get married off. these are the types buying japanese brands for clout. they have worse cliques and shit talking than we do in the west, despite most of them larping as princesses. overall the comm is pretty cringy, even the brand whores, but there are some cool people if you know how to read personalities.

>>10736672
Trades are 100% banned
>I don't see why it would be
Are you serious? Trading is a great way to get scammed.

>>10737864
If you're on the west coast, a week from shipping.

>>10738145
I'm on the west coast and it took me 2-3 weeks in February

>>10738147
Yeah my February orders were that long but my stuff I ordered last week is already here.

>>10738033
trades are easy if you just pay eachother's paypal, then if you get scammed file a claim and get your money back.

what the fuck is up with frilladelphia

>>10737864
east coast here and it's also consistently taking a week for me

>>10737961
sounds just like western comms.

>>10738160
That's good, I have some other things coming so I hope it only takes a week!

>>10738177
Kek getting your money back is the easy part. Good luck replacing that item you just lost and the one you thought you were getting in the first place. Doubly so if it's a rare item.

>>10735857
Crossdressers and sissies are the fetishists. Transgender people aren't. You getting your information on kinksters and gays exclusively from this website?

>>10736233
I'm from Europe and traded with someone from overseas once. Once the other persons package entered my country, it got stuck in customs and I received an invitation letter from the customs authority that I had to show up in person and bring a proof of payment with me to proof the items value. But because it was a trade I didn't have anything I could show to them. It was a nightmare trying to the explain the situation to them and they didn't buy that it was a trade. In the end I they made me pay some estimated custom tax of what they thought the dress was worth. Thankfully they were internet illiterate boomers and didn't find out about the value of brand dresses and I had to pay next to nothing. But yeah... I almost shit my pants. Not doing anymore trades anytime soon.

>>10738205
Not really. Western lolitas are hardly ever nouveau riche types.

>>10738336

Quite the opposite really kek. At least my comm is.

>>10738205
if you replace "nouveau rich" with "on disability" then yes.

>>10737864
EMS takes like 5-ish days for me on the east coast. recently ordered from WW on like a wednesday and it came the following tuesday, would’ve been the monday if not for the holiday.

>>10737864
I'm on the west coast and an EMS package from Japan just took a month to arrive. They're backed up right now.

I recently got meta rose print jsk and expecting it to be blackxwhite but the print is actually more of a gray/silver color. Is it supposed to be like that or are there some bleeding fuckery going on?

>>10738485
I have some stuff from that series, it's supposed to be like that. I think it looks better than if it was white anyways imo

I'm immigrating from Ukraine to Israel (I know) and have arguably the stupidest question itt - can you wear lolita safely there? Are there any Israeli lolitas you know of? I'm completely ignorant and don't want to put myself in danger by wearing the only clothes I have without thinking twice about it

>>10738511
Oooh I see thank you. How do you coord it? Does it look weird coorded with white?

>>10735940
NAYRT but didn't they literally announce closure of the brand last summer?

>>10735938
Lumiebre seems to be still selling things until stock is out.

>>10738593
>>10738592
Okay, that makes sense. I guess I had better buy my shit now then.
Still mad about BOZ closing so suddenly and the stock evaporating while i wasn't looking

EMS has been taking such a hard shit from Japan to the west coast. I set up postage last week with EMS and it still hasn't moved out of Japan.

>>10738592
no they didn't
>>10738631
boz reopened as a new brand.

is it safe for me to assume i should steer clear of corset cut jsks if i have a noticeable bust? fear it will look like a boob pocket

>>10738647
Yes, these cuts pretty much only ever work for those with no boobs

>>10738650
yeah i figured as much. thanks for confirming!

is there anything I can do about a karami being too big? I bought it directly from baby so it's not that it's stretched. It won't stay up at a reasonable spot (if i wore it w/o a blouse almost my entire boobs would be on display) & there's a lot of extra fabric under the armpit puckering out even with a blouse. I haven't worn it yet bc it looks kinda stupid, which is really sad considering it's a dream dress///

>>10738659
to clairify, it's the karami jsk, dropped pic

>>10738659
Get it tailored to fit you, there's not much else you can do

>>10738662
any idea how much that would cost?

>>10735249
are luckypacks any good?

>>10738659
Sell it and find an older version. Modern brand is unfortunately fuckhuge. Or >>10738662 I guess, it shouldn't be that expensive.

>>10738659
which part is too big?

>>10738669
Not as good as they used to be. I bought the summer 2014 Meta pack and got a matching jsk, blouse, socks and headbow, as well as the tote it all came in. In 2019 I got their summer special set which was just a jsk and bow clip. IIRC they still do skirt packs but you get non-matching items. Other brands seem to be doing less impressive happy packs with fewer items too, unless you manage to go in-store and grab an oddment pack in sale season. AP, for example, used to do packs where you could get whole coords but in recent years have just released special sets in limited edition colors at sale season. Honestly, if you want cheap brand wait for it to go on sale or drop price on the secondhand market.

I want to dip my toes into ouji should I buy this?

>>10738806
Maybe buy some actual basic items first?

What's a good minimum weight for broadcloth for a simple oldschool-inspired skirt or JSK? Anything I should look out for when buying fabric online?

>>10738663
It depends where you live and what tailor you choose. I go to the tailor with the best reviews who specializes in formalwear in my city and he charges me give or take depending on the complexity of the dress $50 to take mine in.

>>10738806
only if you want to be immediately posted to the ita thread. this looks like a genshin cosplay

Pretty specific, but - has anyone here owned an AP Misty Sky hoodie? Was thinking of buying a second hand one, but I wanted to confirm it wasn't paper thin. I'm not hoping for it top be super warm, but I don't want it to look like a rag, either

>>10739090
I don't have the Misty Sky one specifically, but I have two from 2013 that are basically t-shirt weight.

Does anyone know where I can get a short (above the knee), decently poofy petticoat within a week or so in the US? Price isn't a big issue but I'd prefer if it was under $50.

I see so many contradictory opinions on what makes plain pieces gothic.
Out of curiosity, what do you gulls think separates solid black sweet pieces (blouses, skirts, jsks, etc.) from solid gothic pieces?
Other than the obvious such as heart buttons, daisy lace, bunny ears, etc.

>>10739200
>Different silhouettes overall. Sweet=more exaggerated shapes, fuller skirts, and shorter bodices. Gothic=longer bodices, generally either longer overall or ero length, cleaner lines
>Different lace obviously
>Gothic tends to have less flounces and frills overall (except for brands like AtPie but they take a lot of inspiration from burlesque and circusy themes)
Although in all honesty it matters less than people think. A lot of brands release pieces that could go either way depending on the rest of the coord. Plus it's also kind of a "i know it when i see it" thing that gets more refined the longer you're in the fashion.

I hope this doesn't end up sperging the thread because I'm just a newfag but I don't understand why the lolita community hates troons sm but they will still praise Mana-sama's name like a godsend. Why? Is it because he just passes better than most troons? I swear this isn't bait, I genuinely want to know.

>>10739251
Because he invented/popularized EGL and clearly approached it from a fashion standpoint whereas most troons and sissies are clearly in it for fetish reasons.

>>10739251
Same reasons why other male vkei artists who wear lolita are accepted. They're talented and put an extreme amount of effort toward their personal style. They aren't in it for weird fetish reasons. Lolita is just a strong part of their personality. In Mana's case, he was so involved in the fashion that he created his own brand without it being weird. People loved his personal style and it was really cool that one could actually buy something curated by him personally.
Your average male lolita just doesn't have that same level of effort and dedication when it comes to wearing lolita. You have to try so much harder to look the part when you're a man and most men (especially in the west) are abysmally horrible at basic hygiene let alone fashion, makeup, and hair/wig styling.
I also think that the kinds of male lolita's you're more likely to encounter are the weird old man type who are clearly fetishistic about the style. It's uncomfortable to be around men who get off to the fact that they're in a community with a bunch of hyper feminine women/girls. Even if it's just in an online setting. They tend to put themselves out there more than say, a younger, more put together male lita. But the sad truth is, the creepy ones strongly outnumber the acceptable ones.

>>10739251
because this board is full of trolls and shitposters. there's no use trying to apply logic to memes.

>>10738946
Ideally avoid lightweight fabrics (100-120gsm quilting cottons, for example) and look for something more in the 150-200gsm range. See if there are close up photos of the fabric and photos of how it drapes - you don't want something too crisp and heavy if you're making very tight gathers, but you don't want something too fluid and soft that will cling to every bump in your petticoat even with a lining fabric in between.

Do replicas of brand dresses still exist? Like recent releases? I'm just wondering cause there's basically no law that can restrict counterfeits in China so why don't Taobao sellers do it? Even if you don't like the recent releases I felt like someone would make replicas of it.

>>10739421
Taobao as a whole platform banned the sale of counterfeit goods so they’re less common nowadays. It used to be ridiculously easy to find VW knockoffs but now it’s pretty hard to come across one unless you know which shops to look at. Also Chinese lolitas just buy brand nowadays if they want brand so once the domestic market died, so did making replicas.

>>10739251
It's really just down the male lolitas being so fucking hideous and badly dressed. A lot of them are very annoying and some of them are porn sick scrotes looking to be near "cute" young women. Mana has done a lot for the fashion through moi meme moitie and because he "passes" very well as a woman for the most part he provides a lot of inspiration for styling as well as just being nice on the eyes. Many lolitas get into the fashion through visual kei and like men with Mana's aesthetic in the first place.

Does anyone know how to make shiny patent leather shoes less shiny? I have some normie platform Mary Janes for oldschool and I don't like how shiny they are. I tried nail polish remover already.

>>10739447
Maybe a small amount of matte finish leather conditioner could work?

>>10735249
which is better, infanta luckypack or diamond honey x glitzy wonderland luckypack?

>>10739421
haven't seen anything recent in terms of print ones anyway. there's still plenty of holy lantern, misty sky and that donut dress replicas available. but that's about it. i think taobao brands realized they can make decent money with their own designs rather than risking it with replicas

>>10739473
there is still a ton of replicas out there, I just think they are passing. dolly dot has one. I've seen it selling on taobao previously

i got an ad on IG from wunderwelt with items that haven't been listed on the site yet and didn't have announcements posted on either wunderwelt's or moitie's accounts, does this happen often? i think something similar happened right before iron gate got rereleased? i know there was a shitshow where people got a link to the listing that was only available to salon members.

>>10739655
No, IG was someone leaked the link from the salon.

Ads are not the same, they are choosing to show you listings. Most are not Fleur stuff, so its used items they have/had.

Where are BB+B jewelry made? I want to order but I'm trying to calculate customs. They're not made in the USA are they?

>>10739660
I believe they are a Los Angeles based company, but the creator sources her different types of clay from manufacturers in China.

Good resources for wigs online? Arda and Epic Cosplay seem just okay, and I'm not sure if I can order internationally from Maple. Any other sources, blog entries, shop recommendations or info is greatly appreciated.

>>10739665
You can order Maple wigs through Tenso

>>10739429
>but now it’s pretty hard to come across one
Is this really the case? I was looking for a now discontinued version of the 3 row pearl choker and found one pretty much immediately, as well as more stores selling fake VW jewelry

>>10739658
weird, ive only ever gotten ads for fleur.

Is this a fair price?

>>10739851
No

Does anyone have any advice/inspo pics for the kind of tiny sleeve, decolletage-out cut in pic related? I have a dress in this style which I love on its own, but am stumped trying to coordinate.

>>10739663
I'm pretty sure they're made in China but corporate is based in LA. Also, the owner is a guy. I'm sure if you email them they can tell you what the country of origin is for customs.

>>10735911
kek reminds me of the guy that dresses as maid and talks to cafe girls all day. Dude freaks me the fuck out and ruins comfy Japan street walk streams.

>>10739999
I didn't mean to steal quads. Since I'm here I wanted to know. Do most of you wear this stuff daily or is it reserved for special occasions? How much does it cost to buy entire wardrobe? I respect it because I know it takes more effort than what most women put in now. I was raised around old school women that put hours of effort into themselves before they went anywhere. I miss it. I don't like that it's acceptable for everyone to look like lazy slob. I feel under dressed most of the time myself but that's what is socially acceptable and all I can buy locally.

>>10740004
some wear it daily. most do not and just wear it when it's more convenient. doesn't have to be a "special occasion" exactly, just for stuff like hanging out with friends. people's wardrobes vary a lot in size and quality so there's no single number.

i don't have any disdain for people who dress like "lazy slobs" though. the world is a lot more fast-paced than it was 50-100 years ago. people would rather spend their precious little time on things other than their appearance, and i can understand that. most of us would consider this a hobby which we specifically have to dedicate time to.

>>10740010
All that changed is people are slaving more hours now. If you go out in public in PJs with 5 day old BBQ stains you're a slob. Stay home. You smell. Maybe this isn't a big of a problem where you live. Where I live I see it and smell it everyday.

>>10740018
well hygiene is a different story. of course laundering clothes and showering is still the basic minimum expected of people. but if we're just talking about "looking lazy" and wearing sweats, i don't blame people who would rather be comfortable when they go out to do something, rather than waste more time getting ready if they don't enjoy it.

How much should I expect to pay model for some photos to promote something? I want to hire someone to promote my software. Will be required to LARP as mascot (cute anime grill)

Is Angelic Prophet legit?

>>10740054
Yes. They stopped posting as often after some idiots thought it was 'wrong' for them to 'leak' things sometime last year or something and tried to go on a witch hunt.

I personally think they should get a raise, because community engagement is proper product marketing in the modern day, where we aren't loading 56k images and hoping it looks better IRL when it gets here.

>>10740074
AYRT, if theyre legit then theyre definitely doing something good. I only saw people getting actually excited about AP threads when they posted.

Is there any chance of getting something from Kaneko shipped to the US at this point, or am I SOL? I had my eye on a few of their pieces for a while and I'm sure they could use the money right now.

>>10740004
A lot of us wear it daily/whenever but others will only wear it to cons or meet ups.
A whole wardrobe would probably start at $2000? For a good mix of stuff. But most people's here probably cost a few thousand more.
I personally enjoy getting ready though not every single day. It's nice to not be obligated to do it but I do kind of wish more people dressed up nowadays so i didn't stand out so much + I just like seeing nicely dressed people.

>>10740107
i spend about that yearly.

>>10740107
If you want a near-daily wardrobe with what is considered a medium sized wardrobe (around 30ish main pieces) then you are looking at probably around a minimum of $5000, assuming no repeats each week with a decent padding of blouses, legwear etc. and mostly second hand purchases.

I live in JP and I would love to have an excuse to get dressed up go to brand store and buy shit. Do people still use in-store shopping services at all??
I'm not interested in making a ton of money, just covering train fare and a small percent for packing etc . Could be lolita or any jfashion, or cute shit .
Is this an autistic idea?

>>10740084
i would not expect so. they sell through Atelier Pierrot sometimes but i do not think they have any stock on hand there

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Thank you inspo anon! Especially love these:
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Wearing a lace blouse under it like >>10740181 and >>10740177 is a cute idea too.

>>10740169
what dress is this?

>>10740084
Russian Post still ships to the US, but the only available method is surface mail. If you don't mind waiting a long time for your pieces to arrive, you could try contacting them because it is possible to ship things out.

>>10739894
With something like this it's all about the accessories. You have an excellent base to work with. You can go so many ways so I understand that it's kind of overwhelming. In simplicity, you'll usually add one or two colors or go full kuro. Play with textures, especially with kuro.

With the length the legwear will be just a peek, but don't neglect it. A dark sheer panty hose like here >>10740181 is preferable to an opaque black. These girls >>10740172 >>10740178 get away with it because their OP has a pattern.

I like to take a couple emotions, adjectives, themes, or contexta and go from there to find cohesiveness. Some options that pop out to me with your OP:

>Sharp and minimalistic
>Airy in a meadow
>Ornate and elegant
>Bold and colorful

The neckline is begging for a necklace. Your necklace and shoes will be key players here. A ribbon at the waist could be fun too.

Can someone help me articulate why the star trim petticoat is so hated? I like the theory of it, intricate star lace falling out the bottom of your dress. But I don't know what makes it look tacky. If that aspect can be fixed what would it look like?

>>10740237
it looks kind of cheap and costumey, and people will use it on EVERY coord with gold accents even if it makes no sense otherwise

What happened to thehijabilolita?

Anyone know what the owners of Fairytale Boutique are doing now?

>>10740237
Got a picture of it? Particularly in a coord you like?

>>10740237
It just screams taobao to me, and cheap. And usually seen in terrible coords so I think I associate it with that.

>>10740237
It's like shitty Claire's jewellery in the original 2010s sweet era or chiffon ruffle underskirts, gold shoes and Madonna crowns in the OTT classic era - added to every coord with no thought for how they actually match the outfit in question.

>>10740159
I've never used an in-store SS but sometimes stores will run sales or promos that aren't available online. There's also other things people use in-store SS for, my friend bought sakura stuff from Starbucks last year (tho, I guess that's probs not where you wanna go shopping lol)

>>10740311
on the left, it looks fine but the way it's hanging felt a little weird to look at (idk if I made sense there it's the best way I could articulate it)
on the right it looks like it should work but it feels off. I don't know what it is about it. Like the motif should match up and there is that color in the print.

>>10740393
I feel like one thing is that it feels like they should be coming from the true hem, but since they're not it almost looks like they were attached to hem but the stitching has come away.

I think it also would have been more effective if they were smaller and less cartoony.

>>10740159
I would if it didn't cost more than other SS, but I would want to mark value lower/remove tags. Customs sucks.

>>10740159
Tbh I've been wanting an in-store closetchild/secondhand store SS, like you send them a dress and if they find it they get it for you

>>10740420
You the seller can only claim back the marked value if the package gets lost or damaged. As a seller it’s a bad idea, the insurance is to protect YOU.

>>10740429
CC uploads everything to the website first now. The stores are just wastelands of tatty Axes Femme

>>10740446
Honestly I've never had anything go missing with EMS. So I would be happy to take that risk as the buyer when the alternative is paying the price twice over - the dollar cost is the same if it's marked at full value v.s. a lost item that was marked down

>>10740456
So? As a buyer you can still file a chargeback and get your money back. The seller has no recourse.

If I, the seller, mark your $400 item as $50 value so the buyer doesn’t have to pay customs, I can only claim $50 insurance value. The buyer can do a Paypal claim/chargeback for $400 and I’m SOL. I (seller) can only get $50 back via an insurance claim.

I especially would not trust the shipping situation under COVID, especially since Japan Post has cancelled EMS and is only offering surface mail to a lot of countries at the moment.

>>10740495
This nasty ass buyer filed a chargeback but luckily Paypal covered me because the item was tracked, said delivered and I showed our messages

>>10740495
I just ordered like 5 things Japan Post EMS. It isn't cancelled anymore. Just backed up.

>>10740547
For which country? Because it is still suspended for Europe and a few other places.

What happened to elegy? I took a look at their stuff for the 1st time and it's all pretty cute? But the store is closed?

>>10740646
She only opens every once in a while. Once she fills up she closes shop until the next time. She'll announce her projected opening on her insta.

Why is it so hard to find sugary carnival tote bags in any color but black? i have a need. like 90% of all the listings on LM are for the black color. What the heck were people doing with their sax and pink bags??

>>10740755
keeping them mother fucker!

Has Secret Shop closed down? All their links seem to be dead

>>10739468
In my experience, the Infanta lucky pack is better. The gw luckypack has a decent main piece but, the accessories are really flimsy and cheap. Also the blouse I got was incredibly cheap. Infanta's lucky pack, on the other hand had a lot of nice stuff. The main pieces, blouse and accessories were nice for the price. On the upside, the free otks with my order were cute. With all tha tbeing said, it took a while to get here even with express shipping.

>>10740758
okay :(

>>10738178
In what sense, anon?

>>10740159
There have been a handful of times where I’ve wished I could find a good in-store SS, so I think there’s definitely still some demand.

>>10740755
Anon, are you stupid? The black came with a mook so there are a ton more of them in circulation.

>>10740929
>stupid questions thread
>"are you stupid?"

>>10740929
Geez anon, not everybody knows every mook item AP has ever produced. I've been wearing lolita since sugary carnival was a new release and didn't even know this.

>>10740929
To be fair even if it's a dumb question they asked it in the right place.

Maybe some anon can help me with this - I was at a random vintage store (US) and I saw this item that was like a lace rectangle with a neckhole cut in the middle, with tassles on the bottom, that you can put on and it looks almost like the top of an apron. I can draw a picture if that helps but I've never seen anything like it and it actually looked really cool, I would like to look for others. It was described just as "Edwardian lace" but that search doesn't bring up anything. It also had an initial embroidered on it.

>>10740970
Are you talking about a jabot? I can't really envision what you mean. A picture would help a lot.

>>10740964
What do you mean you're not autistic? Get out.

>>10740977
I discovered that it's apparently called a dickey. It was sort of like pic related but rectangular and with better lace.

>>10740978
this but unironically

Looking for petticoat recommendations- between Aurora and Ariels super poofy petticoat and Wunderwelt original volume(specifically fitting AP 2010 era sweet skirts and dresses?)

I've been using neokyo for mercari, but mercari just kicked them off. Any other shopping services still offering mercari?

>>10741177
Japonica.

>>10741177
I used Sendico not too long ago. They let me buy from Mercari. I didn't like them very much though, I thought it was dubious that I had to deposit money to them instead of being able to buy directly, and they also took three days to merge my packages which, well maybe it's the standard but I'd gotten used to it being faster with Buyee, so it was annoying.
They didn't scam me though, so they are an option. It just doesn't feel great.

>>10741178
Thanks, I can't believe I forgot about them
>>10741183
That's an issue I've found with shopping services offering mercari... they're just not fast enough.

>>10741177
White rabbit express
Buyee

>>10741177
jpshopping

Any sites you've had success selling lolita on besides Lacemarket?

>>10741355
depop and mercari

Why are there apparently 6 different LA lolita comms?? I'm moving there soon and wtf happened

How do you all store your headdresses?

>>10741177
hoyoyo buys from mercari but fuck, they've been taking 7+ days to buy items after I've paid. I tried to buy an item and it sold out right from under me. It was a 3000 yen stained AP hoodie, so it's not like it was a fancy high demand item either. not pleased kek

Their English also seems to be very very basic so they probably won't be able to answer questions much. they are the cheapest I've had though.

>>10741398
>admit to using the cheapest ss you can find
>surprised when their service is dogshit
what exactly did you expect anon? i'd have thought that the people in this hobby would know better than any other that you get what you pay for.

>>10741396
I stack my rectangle headdresses on top of each other by length in a large shoebox, headbows lined up in a row in the same box, combs and hairclips all stored in large jewelry organizers. I have berets and hard bonnets stacked in a drawer. I've been meaning to make cute hatboxes to store things in but haven't really gotten around to it.

>>10741396
I put em in a drawer with some of my other head accessories.

>>10741406
to be fair I've been using hoyoyo for a year now and they've only had their response times go to shit within the last couple months or so. They used to be faster than any other ss I've used

>>10741396
I hang them up on a curtain rail using curtain clips.

>>10741396
For the rectangle ones I fold them in half and then in half again and then store them vertically in a box.

Do bonnets work for people with round faces? I really want to get one but I don't want to look like a melon.

>>10741504
Look, I love lolita and I love ridiculous shit but bonnets make anyone look bad. If you like the aesthetic and still want to wear one, that's totally cool but bonnets are flattering on absolutely no one regardless of face shape.

>>10741396
I use one of these flocked pant hangers for ones I wear frequently, others get folded and stored in a drawer organizer

>>10741504
Honestly they look terrible on round faces. If you’re lucky you’ll just look like a sphere, if you’re unlucky they’ll make you look like a sissy. Even though most men don’t have round faces, something about the bow tied under the chin on a rounder face gives off the sissy look.

>>10741506
Your answer is bad and you should feel bad.

Bonnets do not look bad on everyone, it's just your subjective view that is skewed. You probably haven't been into lolita nearly that long to even have ACQUIRED the taste for it.

>>10741504

I have a round face and I learned the hard way just don't tie the ends around the face, tie it at the back instead. You can also super loosely tie it like pic related so it doesn't accentuate how round your chin is.

Bonnets aren't super flattering to begin with, it's ready just a statement piece. I rarely reach for them unless I want to scream Victorian. I'm classic so I don't even go for the super round bonnets.

>>10741504
I have a rounder babyface and I actually like how bonnets look on me, but only ones with REALLY wide ribbon ties, like double the width of your pic. The width of the bow under my chin helps hide some of the roundness imo.

>>10741406
I've had them recommended to me by a few different anons. But I figured that if I'm going to recommend them as an alternative, I should do a full disclosure kind of thing
the first batch of orders I did with them was in late December and everything was purchased on time then, so I guess my experience is similar to >>10741438

>>10735249
Where does the j fashion community congregate online these days? I not particularly interested in lolita but other fashions like EGA or more casual fashions. I feel like cgl is dead so is LJ, blogging, and tumblr. Facebook groups are getting less active as people move away from FB, and instagram/Tiktok is less of a community. I just want a place to read fashion related threads and hot takes while browsing some photos.

>>10741589
Discord
Links will probably be hidden somewhere in the fb groups and maaaaybe reddit

>>10741406
Neokyo was even cheaper and was fast and did an amazing job packing items for shipping. Price =/= quality. Buyee is the most expensive ss and their service is run of the mill with the added drawback of only being able to buy select items, stupid hidden fees, and garbage packing that makes you pay way more than you need to in shipping. I'd have thought that the people in this hobby would know better than to expect better results from just mindlessly throw their money around.

>>10741675
buyee is legit the worst.

>>10741676
I've never had a problem with it and I've used them plenty of times. What's wrong with it?

>>10741675
cheaper prices equals a higher number of customers to serve equals slower buying times, it's not hard to understand if you aren't a literal retard.

>>10741684
this is literally the opposite of what they said.

How do people buy items that sell in less than a minute when the shopping services are slow?
People do seem to be able to be able to get the more popular items too, but I have no idea how to go about it, unless I pay 2-3 times what /cgl/ wants me to.

>>10741690
you get a real person SS or probably multiple of them and tell them before the items go on sale and they'll try to get it for you, probably one of them will manage to

how is the overall quality of MR Corset pieces? specifically interested in one of their hats but am curious about overall brand quality

is Melody Doll a rare print these days?

what's up with btb not allowing anon comments anymore?

>>10741607
Discord is more for chat than anything else and also sucks

Is there some reason why brands don't do more dark green?
It's one of my favorite colors, but kind of uncommon. I remember reading lolita brands don't do much in peach because it looks bad on asian skintones, is there some reason why there's not a lot of green?

>>10741770
I have gloves from them, those are ok quality wise. Nothing to write home about. i wouldn’t buy it again unless it was half price.
Their cutsews look like total shit even in nice photos though. So be careful i guess

Where do i get cute sweet lolita fabric? I found some similar/ knockoff angelic pretty looking fabric that is cute, but i’m not sure it’s morally acceptable if I want to make casual cutsews with it. Idk if any lolitas will give me a sideeye

Does anyone wear Larme or Otome kei much these days? I'm moving towards a more casual style these days and they are a lot more attractive to me than Lolita, but can't find much info on the otome community.

>>10741831
I think it's just not a popular colour (like proper true purples that aren't super plum or red toned are rare). So it becomes a bit of a cycle - no brands make much in that colour, so no brands release stuff, and it's harder to coordinate as well as harder to find.

>>10741901
I wear otome-kei as my every day style. I think a lot of people moved on because of general dissatisfaction when Jane Marple raised prices significantly and when that ETC/Leur Getter split happened and they went 100% polyester and it's getting harder to find suitable pieces for daily wear. Even Axes Femme and Fint used to have better staple pieces like 7-8 years ago. Now you have to choose between some scratchy acrylic with 100% guaranteed pilling after 6 months of wear or unbreathable polyester lining which I can tolerate in lolita, but it fucking sucks as daily wear. I miss the unlined or cotton lined pieces ETC used to release, those were peak comfy. Jane Marple is also hit or miss these days. Those thin cotton blend fabrics are prone to pilling and they won't last as long as older pieces. It's honestly not worth the price new. That being said, if you are determined, it's still worth getting into otome-kei imo. The second hand market is still pretty forgiving, especially if you focus on the more casual pieces and not the popular prints.

>>10741901
I wear otome but there's no real comm for it. It's not very popular unfortunately. There's a thread here for it you could resurrect but that's about it.

>>10741901

I used to wear more otome for travel but lmao I don't really travel these days. Toned down classic calls more to me as well and it's a similar amount of effort.

>>10741901
Me, but there isn't really a community.

I agree with >>10741953 in that most new releases don't really compare to the old stuff so people probably got bored. A lot of brands went more normie with their cuts and styles (MILK, Jane Marple) which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see why people lost interest.

Generally I find ETC's recent collections boring, but the good old stuff is still cheap for the most part on the market. Most of the larme brands, if they didn't close completely die out, went normie or shifted to Jirai kei style.

>>10741901
Otome doesn't have it's own community because it's not it's own fashion, it's a term retarded Westerners came up with. Japanese lolitas don't distinguish the two.

>>10742009
Uh, nope, it was around prior to Lolita and is recognised as a predecessor to Lolita..

I just received a dress I bought on Lacemarket which was listed as "worn once, like new" and it arrived with multiple tiny stains. The seller's TOS states that they "try to inspect their items thoroughly" and that they don't do refunds or returns. I'm honestly fairly upset, as I would have not bought the dress if this damage had been disclosed in the first place. Is leaving negative feedback the only thing I can do here?

>>10742011
that's pinkhouse, idiot.

>>10742012
Why don’t you start with reaching out to the seller?

>>10742011
I'm aware but that's a completely different style to what western lolitas refer to as "otome"

>>10742012
Agreed on reaching out to the seller, even though their TOS says no refunds or returns they may give a partial refund or let you send it back in fear of getting that negative feedback.

for sewing, if I'm finishing the fabric like this, do i need fray check at all?
is it overkill to put fray check and then fold and sew the fabric edges like this? I just see tiny frays start after i cut cotton with my fabric scissors and it makes me anxious

>>10741864
Japanese fabric stores usually have the cuter prints, some etsy sellers import them. With regards to the fabric, if it's an actual commercial fabric not a replica print you should be fine

>>10741774
Yes, but not necessarily rare in the sense of everyone will pay $$$$ for it. The fabric is really shitty and pills very easily so finding one in good condition is difficult. Kinda like how the reds in Milky Berry run badly when wet, so finding a white one that isn't stained either by sweat or red dye is a crapshoot

How long does surface mail take? It's been two months since shipping and looks like it hasn't even left the origin country :/

>>10742085
Correct - it takes a long time if you're in the US. It'll be about 3 months based off how quick things are getting to and from right now.. I'm currently clocking into month 3 waiting for something from Nov - Dec.

Right now I think the only fast shipment option is DHL

>>10742012
Message the seller. If it were me and I made an honest mistake I’d be super apologetic and offer a partial refund or return if it’s really bad.

My friend found an event coming up that's both Victorian themed and fruit themed. Is there way to combine a Victorian lolita silhouette (high neck blouse etc) and a dark red and black color scheme and sweet design? Or is that not at all a thing and I have to pick one?

>>10742152
why not just wear classy fruit themed accessories with a classic outfit?

>>10742154
samefag, but IW has made fruit/pie themed pieces as well that lean more sweet but still have a classic flair.

anyone else think this jsk could look cute if coordinated well? i love this color in lolita but i usually stay away from taobao main pieces due to the quality. i can't tell if my love for the color is clouding my taste, or lack thereof. also, why is this only on sites like mylolitadress and not their actual taobao page?

>>10742154
>>10742157
I'll start there. I'm just a new trying to maximum my research and I'm got lost on the style names. Thank you

>>10742174
No. There's parts of diamond honey that almost land, but it misses the mark honestly. Don't waste your money. It is on their taobao page, they just have a different store front for lolita now.

>>10742174
This looks straight up retarded, nonny, sorry. Miniskirt with that amount of poof is fucking stupid with giant hime sleeves. If you stood up in that dress you’d also flash everyone. They hid the length in the pic well but it’s also too short.

>>10742177
the hime sleeves aren't even attached...they're the shitty elastic kind. also it's a separate blouse.

>>10742176
>>10742177
thanks for grounding me in reality

>>10742175
makes sense! you'll probably end up with something that some people call "sweet classic" which to me is very story book feeling.

>>10741183
Okay, I've been looking around for anything else to use instead, but I haven't found anything that's clearly better, so I guess I'll use Sendico again.
It's really annoying that I have to deposit money before I can buy anything, but I guess I can deal with it. And it's nice that they can store your items for up to 60 days, I get a lot of time to see if anything nice appears before I'm forced to ship it.

I'm a bit out of the loop but what happened to M*lly Ann? She was trying to be the next Misako for awhile there.

what are some generally reasonable prices for second hand usakumyas? i watch mercari and i'm looking for a something bigger than the keychain but not as big as the huge rucksack. just worried about paying too much

>>10742486
You're better off buying them new from baby because secondhand the pochettes (bigger than Keychain smaller than rucksack) tend to go for $90-$100ish and it's basically that much direct. You can find them cheaper if you keep looking depending on what colors and type though.

>>10742506
i checked baby's upcoming stuff and didn't see any plain usas, do you know when they might re-release it? i guess i could always ask them directly too, but idk if theres an annual consistent release or something

>>10742515
Which site are you looking at? On the JP site there's different kumyas in stock including plain white usakumya with pink ribbons. And pink ones with different ribbons.

>>10742060
it will fray, just zig zag the edges

I bought an item from AP paris's website for the first time. I got an email which said that the payement go trought but on my account it say that I didn't ordered anything. Is it normal or I should email them ?