/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10708295

Last year there were 4 or 5 different prints between everyone’s packs so cross your fingers, doubles would suck. But you can always sell the extras. Who did you use?

It makes me so sad to see how basic AP's new releases are when their older stuff had so much more detail.

>>10708300
Id rather not say. its hard enough to get spots with them these days

>>10708326
Yeah this is basically clip art kei at this point

>>10708297
It’s especially weird because the red is SO saturated and the actual print is really desaturated. If the ginger bread wasn’t so muted it could be pretty cute imo. Like the chocolatier series in wine.

>>10708326
Their main release cuts are even more basic than what used to be the discount basic cuts in special sets.

>>10708326
rip in peace good holiday releases

>>10708326
Just as sad as the coords from the tea party in Paris

>>10708489
I really liked Mila's coord. Cute and old fashioned in a good way.

jesus, AP thread is a kill

did anyone receive their Happy Packs yet / see contents posted anywhere?

>>10708326
>basic
You can say ugly

>>10709905
They don’t ship til Jan 1st

>>10708297
i hate how all the chelsea ribbon shoes in human sizes sold out so fast.

>>10709920
>human sizes
No need to insult people with smaller feet because either AP doesn't stock enough L/LL or you're too slow on release day. Any wearable AP shoe release is quick to sell out in most sizes besides S

>>10709920
Sorry you have clown feet

>>10709905
>AP thread is a kill
Pretty much the only thing that can revive us at this point is a Milly-Chan or Milky Planet rerelease.

>>10709920
Seethe tranny feet. I will be enjoying mine in M size :)

>>10709941
Nta and I am M size and even that sold out fairly fast in most colors.

ap is so boring right now that we are fighting about shoe sizes again

Way overdue post, but I'm not sure why everyone was complaining about the sizing of the SC OP MTO. I finally got to try mine on and the arm holes are fine. People were saying their circulation was getting cut off. I feel crazy.

>>10710027
Also noticed people complaining about dumb shit. There's no issue with mine. If anything the sizing is more true than the original.

>>10710027
I like how vibrant it is but I saw people complaining about that too.

Did we ever get pics for some of the upcoming AP releases? I know that a few were leaked

>>10710082
People probably idolized photos of the old faded versions and didn't realize that wasn't how its supposed to look kek

>>10710082
>>10710141
The high contrast bothers me a little bit though. I have an old, faded SC and the color of the MTO reminds me off it, which just triggers bad memories. Specifically the sax irks me. The pink looks pretty good though.

So... all we're getting this week is Kogimyun?

>>10710238
Last year there was no release on the last Saturday of December, too.

Found on weibo

>>10710279

>>10710280

>>10710280
>>10710281
Literal taobao

>>10710238
https://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/12-25sat-new-arrival-2/

>>10710281
>>10710302
worse than some taobao, even

>>10710303
It looks like a classy normie dress. Hate how they printed lace on a dress instead of using actual lace though

>>10710356
i dunno about classy

>>10710304
I have this dress and it’s gorgeous btw. The actual construction isn’t as good as some brand, but the materials are honestly better.

>>10710304
>>10710364
desu you fucks are looking like larpers. this *does not* look better

>>10710304
This looks like some hideous square dancing monstrosity holy shit get some taste.

>>10708297
this dress looks like it was designed for six year olds, damn<span class="fortune" style="color:#ec117e">

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>>10710368
um its called lolitta

>>10710366
It absolutely does are you blind ? That AP bodice is hideous

>>10710280
This literally looks like those bodyline costume play maid outfits.

>>10710367
we have dumb ass taobao larpers in our thread now. just because we complain about current state of AP, it does not compare to the taobao monstrousities they are posting in this thread.

do you shits even know what brand is like to complain? stop posting taobao trash in this thread.

>>10710387
It's indeed actually very common for most lolitas to own both brand main pieces and taobao, please get your head out of your ass

>>10710388
considering the alarming amount of newfag larpers on this board, I have my doubts when they are posting monstrosities in this thread like they are.

Maybe open your eyes and learn to read the context first, dumb ass. If you think any of what they posted in this thread looks good, then no wonder why you aren't buying burando.

>>10710376
Wrong. I'm not even an Ap fag but theirs looks worlds better. How can you like this weird taobao dress? Honestly can't comprehend

you poorlitas are literally so cringe

i wear/own strictly brand. any accessories are either brand or luxury (think hermes)

i hate seeing you taobao itas cheapening the culture and i wish you would all kys

>>10710387
>>10710392
>>10710396
imagine being this triggered by taobao. AP hasn't been better quality than top taobao brands in years. I stopped buying AP around 2016 when it became clear that they were fresh out of fucks to give. If you wanna keep paying brand prices for taobao tier quality, more power to you, but i honestly don't know how anyone who has owned brand from pre-shit tier AP can say with a straight face that it's SO much better than good taobao brands. Talk about a cope.

>>10710406

t. some poorlita

ok sweetie taobao is literally not egl

there is nothing elegant about wearing cheap chinese knockoffs

plz kys

>>10710408
eLeGaNCe

>>10710408
so much elegance

>>10710408
very elegance

>>10710408
bRaND sUpERioRiTy

>>10710408
But wait, there's more burando gems for you:

>>10710408
sissy-kei TB knockoff:

>>10710408
what even is color matching?

>>10710413
>>10710414
>>10710416
>>10710418
>>10710420
>>10710421
>>10710422

ahahahaha could you cope any harder you cringe bitch?

>>10710429
it's embarrassing that you really think that isn't ugly shit. brand doesn't mean good you tacky bitch

>>10710303
>>10710356
It's cute. I actually kind of like the printed lace since it gives it kind of a bold graphic look. Once again I wish there was a SK, though. Or at least a just-waist JSK or salo or something.

Also had a hearty kek at my browser's auto-translate.
>Saxophones will be in stock only at the Nagoya and Shibuya stores.

>>10710432
i never said ALL brand was good. some of the items you posted are rather distasteful...

but listen to me, and listen to me good you exasperated cunt

wear taobao or any other cheap china knockoff crap and you are literally degrading the culture

>>10710437
>wear taobao or any other cheap china knockoff crap and you are literally degrading the culture
Agreed.

Also this is an AP thread, not a taobao thread. Fuck off taobao clolita fuck. We still buy AP, we just don't buy every release. It's not ALL bad, just not within the same tastes as a lot of us have had with AP. I've bought quite a few recent releases and I may have compared it to taobao prints because they are cluttered, but in terms of construction and the lace a lot of them are still WAY better than any of the trash that keeps getting posted to cgl as "the good clolita"

I'm gonna be real with you fucks, you don't buy AP. You're too fucking poor to really compare quality, so get the fuck out of my thread and off my board you clolita newfags.

>>10710437
>but listen to me, and listen to me good
so fucking cringe

>>10710445
exasperated cunt

whats cringe is the china knockoff crap you wear

you are cosplaying as a lolita at best

>>10708297
This print is ugly in every colorway.

>>10710440
Lmao hilarious

>>10710458
Can't decide if it's intentional satire or just a weird troll.

>>10710422
I was so confused when this dropped. It's so tonally confused.

The nakayoshi cookie jewelry sound out in less than a minute, I'm guessing it got scalped

>>10710304
i own this and it's not that nicely made, AP would 100% be prettier. But I wear it as a $60 option for messier meals or activities.

Kek instead of spending Christmas with friends and family you idiots decided to completely sperg out on a Taiwanese basket weaving forum. Sad!

>>10710602
As if everyone in the world celebrates some european holiday.

>>10710602
Me. A Fox News Jew.

>>10710602
Maybe you’re just in a very different time zone, but yours is the first post in this thread dated Dec 25………

>>10710602
Anon, you're sperging about others sperging. Is that any better? You get 0 points for this shitty post. Go kill yourself.

>>10710637
Kek ur so triggered

>>10710681
I was nta but you sound dumber than the rest

>>10710497
I bought it an hour after release. But it did get removed from my cart when I went to buy and I couldn’t find the listing anymore, so I thought it was sold out but usually it just says sold out, it doesn’t disappear entirely. But when I went back and clicked the link in the email again it was there and available. It was really weird,

>>10708297
I think this print is super cute and love the cute

>>10710781
I just broke down and bought the skirt and headbow. It’s cute but I personally did not like the cut of the dress and I’ve never bought a skirt before. Hope I can make it work!

>>10710602
Yet you're here

Hi everyone, I'm trying to remember if Dream Fantasy was a lucky pack release or not.

Thanks

>>10711184
Yes

I miss when Angelic Prophet could give us something exciting to look forward to.

Goddamn, why is it so much more expensive than the Japanese one? $365 before taxes and shipping??? I got one in the Japanese release, thank God. Even with shopping service fess and shipping it will be cheaper. Seriously, 100 extra dollars?? I know there’s usually a mark up, but it’s usually closer to 50 bucks

>>10712591
The Japanese release looked like it was only including 1 headbow, this one has 2-3. I'm not sure if they are the same.

>>10712591
Is this dresses from their unsold items? Or new designs?

>>10712662
It's never been new stuff, anon. Someone asks this every year.

>>10712591
i don't understand what the point of a lucky pack is if it costs the same as just buying a dress/headpiece anyway. isn't the selling point supposed to be that it's a bit cheaper than doing that?

I'm sad there's no new AP release post on the site yet today.

>>10712673
Technically last year it was old prints in new cuts though. Wouldn't be surprised if they'd do that again.

>>10712686
You get 2 main pieces and 2~3 headbows, so like ¥60,000 worth minimum? I think the JP release included a few smaller accessories too and the US/Paris releases are usually the same.

It’s a good deal on paper but sometimes they include weird cuts or sample pieces from leftover MTO fabric which don’t fetch much more than ¥20k second hand. There’s a good chance it’s mostly Galaxy Cocktail OPs and JSKs this year which have been selling for ¥20~25k, however that would change if the market was suddenly flooded with them

I’m hoping it will so I can grab me some cheap Galaxy Cocktail

>>10712690
probably won't be, Saturday is new year's day

>>10712697
Yeah, just realised the online shop holiday time. I wonder if we will see Girly Apples next weekend then?

>>10712696
oh i didn't see that it was 2 dresses instead of just 1, nvm

>>10712690
It's new years, dummy. Their physical stores are closed.

>>10713037
Lol what??? They’re open for fukubukuro, New Years is one of the biggest shopping days for those alone

>>10713042
You just answered the question, they’re too busy doing fukubukuro to do a new release

Any fukubukuro leaks? AP USA release tomorrow and I am still on the fence.

>>10713109
I saw someone on Japanese twitter got Moonlight Castle and Bear's Chocolaterie

>>10713109
Only one I’ve seen so far is this girl who got Moonlight Castle & Bears Chocolaterie JSKs. Someone’s selling an unopened bag on mercari lol

>>10713109
So far there's the aforementioned prints, nakayoshi ginger cookie, moco moco bunnys, british bear and of course galaxy cocktail kek

>>10713109
any dress that didnt sell well is fair game

>>10713114
>>10713119
Hard pass for me. I think there's only 1 or 2 unpopular dresses that I liked and the chance of getting them is slim. Might as well just buy them.

>>10713114
those are great! I got one via SS in Japan so I won't get it for awhile but now I'm excited!

>>10713114
Thanks for the reply. I wouldn’t mind Moonlight not so thrilled on chocolate prints tho.

I feel like I could handle lucky packs if I could guarantee the colorway because I only wear pinks but don't mind different prints. Pink colorways usually sell out fastest though anyway so it'd have to be a truly heinous print to have a lot of pink left over. Or probably be a salopette.

>>10713140
Same here, except I only wear blacks. If I could pick the colorway I'd jump all over LPs, but I know there's a good chance I'd wind up with stuff I can't coord at all.

AP USA really making up pick what with want by releasing so many things at the same time! There is no way I can’t the NGC jewelry and a LP at the same time damnit!

>>10713172
Then don't waste your money on the lucky pack

>>10713172
That’s their way, sadly

>>10713175
Seconded. The lucky pack is always trash.

>>10710279
>>10710280
the hem lace on these are so sad to me, barely any gathering. I've noticed this on other releases too but AP's old cotton pieces usually have shorter, more proportional single layer lace, or double layers with the longer hem lace, and then small overlay lace ontop of the hem.
I miss their small attention to details

Moco Moco Bunnys & Nakayoshi Ginger Cookie JSKs!

This looks like a store-specific LP and doesn’t seem to include any accessories, so maybe not representative of the web LP

>>10713298
Damn that’s pretty good! Both JSKs, too

What's the general verdict on AP's pettis? I've heard that they're not worth it if buying new, but what about secondhand if it's just for daily wear and I'm not looking for huge poof?

>>10713378
They’re too short and give a weird lampshade effect. Check out the Instagram of the Paris store, pretty sure they wear brand petticoats in those videos and it looks terrible. Same for mannequin pictures for the US store.

>>10713378
Definitely not worth it. Not just the lampshade effect, but even at the second hand price point you could swing a me likes tea or a+a petti coat which are much better and like 1/8 of the retail price. Hell even the largest bodyline petticoat is a step up in terms of poof and longevity, though it is scratchy as hell.

If you’re looking for a brand petticoat the meta one I saw in person at closet child was really good.

>>10713385
>>10713391
Thank you! I was between secondhand brand or a+a in their smaller volume, I guess I'll stick with the latter.

>>10713378
I disagree, I have an AP one, two MLTs, and A+A. I’m a daily and prefer wearing the AP one because it’s a good cupcake shape and if most of your dresses are AP they aren’t too short at all and the poof is just enough. My MLTs while very effective give me immense back pain, so I only wear those for photos now. A+A is much more A-line. For meets, I layer the A+A and AP on top for a good cupcake. If you find one secondhand in good condition, I’d go for it. Just steam the layers and they come back to life.

>>10713398
>if most of your dresses are AP they aren’t too short at all
People probably are out here trying to wear clolita with AP petticoats. Realistically, I can't understand how an AP petticoat would ever be shorter. Their stock photos are their petticoats? Do those looks awkwardly shaped? no? then there you go.

Is AP USA really missing a whole damn colorway of the Enamel Chelsea Ribbon Shoes??? (no sax product pages posted so far)

>>10713441
They sometimes just randomly don't get things that other stores do. Sometimes just late. Maybe has to do with stock and being the franchise store.

>>10713441
iirc weren't sax store exclusive

>>10713445
I don't think so. I had the last ones in my cart in Paris but decided their shipping rates were too expensive, and I missed them in the Japan online shop release because I focused on securing pink. Now I feel like an idiot.

I was so close to getting a happy pack. Damn.

Just barely got the L brown shoes.

I remember anons praising their enamel bags and shoes over the normal matte pleather so I'm hoping these were worth the investment. Usually I get shoes from BABY or Meta.

>>10713450
Also to add: I think AP USA straight up only got one of each color of these shoes. Brown stayed in stock and then as soon as I checked out they were out. Then I went to check the red ones leftover stock in Land there was only one pair. Makes me suspect they only had one of each color and size. Or at least for the Ls. People who felt like AP USA got zero stock of the same releases Paris and Japan have might actually be right.

Just barely got the happy pack!! I am hoping I actually got it and not get like a refund email later...

sad no happy pack :(((( oh well

>>10713455
>>10713453
fingers crossed for you gulls!

>>10713426
I mean I’ve seen them in the store, they’re weirdly short and flat. Same with Baby. All I wear is AP and baby and I wouldn’t touch one of their petticoats. I have a few from Meta, MeLikesTea, and a Ronova, and a small BL I put under old school. AP Pettit are trash, sorry. And angelic pretty dresses are a lot longer than they used to be, so maybe that’s why they give the lampshade effect now and they didn’t used to. Go look at the Instagram post from December 26 from the Paris store. You can see them putting a petticoat on a manikin and they have to layer two to just to give a small poof for a Salopette. And it doesn’t peek out the bottom when salopettes are shorter than a full JSK

And I don’t know why you would assume they use their own petticoats for the stock photos, the stock photos have insane amounts of proof. They’ll do everything possible to make the dresses look nice for the stock photo, they wouldn’t limit themselves to only using their own petticoats

>>10713460
>they wouldn’t limit themselves to only using their own petticoats
nta, they probably do use their own pettis but just multiple, maybe starch them, etc. it saves them money to use what they already have VS buying extra stuff.

Speaking of AP Paris Instagram, The blonde girl always has a relatively new release on, and a different one every video. Does she own the dresses or does she put them on just for the video? Not gonna lie, it would be my dream to just be moderately financially well off and work at the store just for fun. But I don’t speak French or Japanese and the US store is in a sad part of San Francisco so that would not be very fun in reality

>>10713468
Mila? I think she just wears them for work videos, her normal style tends to be more toned down sweet/sweet-classic and she apparently shares her wardrobe w her gothic gf

>>10713470
So they’re store stock with the tags on and then she puts them back out for sale? I don’t really have a problem with that per se because people are allowed to try them on so I guess it’s no different. Just interesting

>>10713471
AP USA definitely lets their staff wear releases and put them back on the shelf. Not a huge deal but gross they wear the KCs and barrettes right on their heads instead of over a wig

>>10713471
Yes, the store asks her to wear the clothes for the videos, and so they are obviously going to be the stuff in stock because its a marketing tactic.

>>10713471
If you follow any of the JPN stores on twitter their employees will do the same thing.

>>10713475
lol how germaphobic do you have to be to worry about that? unless they're getting hair dye on it, I don't give two shits.

>>10713506
lice and other shit potentially but i assume they have hygeine standards. but still, headbows are hard to wash so since they touch the scalp and your hair oils and product could get on the band that's a bit of a bummer but not terrible.

>>10713509
Well I'd like to imagine the 1 person on staff wearing headbands for a few minutes wouldn't do it if they had fucking lice, so I still don't give a shit. Strangers are allowed to come into the store to try on garments/accessories and we buy the very same products, so I really don't see the big deal here.

>>10713512
yeah not a huge deal of course, but i can see someone who has weird germ anxiety or just obsessed with stuff being brand new if it's hard to wash preferring new unworn headbows.

>>10713506
I think the bigger issue is that when you pay that price for something you expect it to be new and unused if that’s how it’s described. The fact that AP USA would do something we consider a shady lacemarket seller thing to do is pretty fucked.

>>10713479
Not just AP stores either. Tons of clothing brands do this, and particularly higher end ones. I'm not sure why people get so surprised by it. Do they really think a brand a brand is going to be like "oh no we can't sell this now, a model/shop staff wore it", especially since you can literally try the items on in the store. Also how do they think hat shops stay in business? You have to try them on to make sure they fit properly, the chance of getting lice or "germs" from it is really fucking low because most adults aren't walking around covered in bugs.

>>10713554
That absolutely would never happen in the Japanese store I’ll tell you that.

>>10713555
Are you talking about trying on clothes in an AP store in Japan? Because they will absolutely let you try things on if you ask, including KCs. And as mentioned upthread their shop staff try on the clothes and take photos in them, too.

>>10713555
Most Japanese stores make employees wear the merch Even boring brands like Uniclo.

>>10713557
>>10713558
No I mean allowing someone to wear and take videos in merch and then resell it as new. The employees have to purchase their own dresses at a discount, this has been discussed before.

There’s a big difference between trying stuff on and doing a shoot in a dress and then putting it back on the rack

>>10713559
Ya employees can buy new stock and sometimes they are pressured to. All of them have to buy their own clothes. Did anons actually think they borrow them?

Any more Happy Pack leaks?

>>10713572
I wish. My SS just picked up mine and invoiced me. She’s super fast so I expect to get it by the end of the week

>>10713559
AP's shop girls in Japan do the same thing as the Paris store. They wear current stock in TikToks and Twitter photos then put it back on the rack. They also buy their own dresses at a relatively low discount.

>>10713572
A girl I follow on insta got navy Moonlight Castle & ivory British Bear JSKs. That was an in-store LP tho

I think it's funny people are getting bent out of shape about shop girls wearing items and then selling them as new.
Just buy the shit as soon as it's released. Yeah maybe the practice is stupid, but if you're so worried about it, maybe don't wait weeks/months to buy the thing?

>>10713642
I don’t think anyone’s bent out of shape, it’s just a little questionable. Trying a garment on is one thing. Wearing a whole coord including the blouse for a couple hours while filming tiktoks is another. At that point it’s hard to say it’s new. How long does a blouse have to be worn before it’s not considered new? That’s some thing that’s up in your armpit

>>10713756
This. And head wear specifically is the only worrying thing imo. It's not easily washable and you don't know what hair products or natural oils and stuff the shopgirls have in their hair if they're wearing them without wigs. Agreed with ayrt though that it's not usually an issue except for stock that sits for a while, but they already do coords on mannequins and AP has modeled photos. The cuts of most are similar so it seems unnecessary to do to show off the clothes.

Was I the only one that liked actress lace? It looks great on Risa. Assuming the cut she’s modeling is the jsk and the overlay on the bodice is not sewn in place

>>10713785
I like it, but it's a bit on the pricier end for being a bit 'plain.' Also the color palettes are very cool tones and that pink is harder to match.

>>10713756
>>10713765
even for fucking Chanel and other extremely top-tier expensive designer brands, any old stranger can try on the garment from off the street. they're not going to make you a completely new dress or headband if you buy it unless it's a couture gown. why is it suddenly a big deal if the person trying it on is shop staff? and why do you think they would have to wear the garment for *hours* to do a few second long video??

>>10713789
I know this is hard to believe, anon, but it can take longer than 20 seconds to film a video that is 20 seconds long.

>>10713795
obviously retard, but I haven't seen anyone make any store videos that require complex shoots.

>>10713787
I thought the same. I wanted but not $398 wanted it.

Anyone get an email yet from AP USA For a special set?

AP Paris threw a bunch of MS things and chocolate socks.

>>10714198
Damn I’m glad I went with a Japanese happy pack. Their stores aren’t fodder for the website so they sometimes have really cool stuff left over. Paris and USA get picked clean via online shopping. But I probably won’t get it for weeks with how slow my SS is

>>10713789
Have you never went shopping in Japan? Most brands will pull out a new dress from the back if you decide to buy or if it's the last item, they'll tell you and ask if it's okay and let you look it over before purchasing to find any flaws.

>>10714321
This. Even non Japanese stores that are nicer will do this in the US.

>>10714322
which stores? i regularly buy top tier designer wear and have literally never seen this happen. they will have the dress in one size out on the floor for display. if you want to try it, they bring out a dress in your size, you try it on, and if you like it then they bring out the tailor to pin it to you before fixing it. they don't make you change out and put on another dress before buying.

>>10714321
this only happens in clothing stores that sell one-size only items.

>>10714335
with bags they bring one from the back if you like the display at many luxury bag stores, especially if you want a different color than what is on display which may be limited and you're friendly with the staff/ a regular customer.

>>10714336
AP is a clothing store that sells one-size only items. And in Japan they have a physical binder at many stores so you can check for pieces they have that fit your measurements before even trying things on, if you went in not looking for something specific.

>>10714339
we're talking about clothing, not bags.

>>10714341
exactly. it doesn't happen in every other store that sells more than one size, so the autists screeching about only getting mint condition dresses are being stupid. it's not a big deal and regularly happens

>>10714344
Once again, trying on is very different than wearing for longer periods of time while filming videos. They’re moving around, they’re jumping, they’re doing bits. It’s too much, they’re being active in the clothes with can cause sweat in places like armpits, even if it’s not strenuous. I buy clothes that have been tried on before all the time, obviously, but to me this is different. At that point they need to be selling it as a model sample

>>10714396
what videos are you talking about? ive never seen shop staff wear clothing for skits, its usually just silent modeling

>>10714396
I agree. It's not like trying it on for a selfie and twirl, who knows how many takes and how long it takes in general to make their tiktoks. It's not like repulsive or anything but I have bought appliances and other things online as new that were obviously used and returned them because eww. If I wanted a used or open box item, I would have bought one.

If AP is too cheap to gift dresses or have a big enough discount as an incentive to make appealing social media content, they need to crawl out of Jurassic park.

>>10714100
I got a happy pack and still no confirmation.

>>10714412
she's lying.
>>10714396
i will be sure to get really sweaty and then try on all the dresses just for you.

>>10714396
>>10714421
Lolita isn't a high end fashion, or a luxury fashion, it's only expensive because it's alternative. It's only slightly more expensive than western alt brands like tripp or killstar. a full brand new coord is only around $400-600 USD, that's nothing. and the store is just a standard boutique store, nothing special. it's not even like going into a low end western brand like michael kors where you are offered waters and employees will hold your coat for you. i swear as soon as some of you realize lolita costs more than walmart clothes you think it's high end.

>>10714421
Lol as if AP needs to gift influencers when they have a loyal customer base and models who work for them. Their Japanese stores post customer coords all the time and the shop staff are you know, doing their job. Stuff that doesn’t sell out goes into their winter or summer sales. Says a lot about you if you think they’re being cheap for not giving away free stuff for no reason. They don’t need the hype. We already throw our money at them.

>>10714487
I would argue it IS a luxury fashion as it is definitely more frivolous and not a necessity. Alt fashions, by default, tend to be a luxury expense.
Alt fashion is not something you need to live or function. And unlike things like punk, lolita has less luck thrifting and DIYing so it's even more of a luxury to be into.

>>10714511
That is a different definition of luxury. "Luxury brands" references brands like Gucci, which is what >>10714487 is talking about. That is different than luxury meaning not needed to live.

Most clothing is luxury, but only a few are from luxury brands

>>10714511
Like >>10714514 said luxury brands are high end mainstream designer brands, and anons itt seem to have misconceptions about lolita because they are acting pretentious larpers.

>>10714412
Ayrt, AP Paris has a tiktok and they also post videos to Instagram. The girls wear the clothes from the shop in the videos. They wear complete coords, film videos, then take the clothes off and put them back out for sale as new. Some of the videos are short, some I’ve seen are longer and obviously took multiple cuts/time lapse so the girls were wearing the clothes awhile

>>10714523
anon, do you know how to use tiktok? the cuts are done in the app as you record.

>>10714487
No one you replied to said it was luxury? I didn’t mention anything about it being luxury. Only person mentioning anything about it being luxurious some anon who keeps going on about shopping in high-end stores that have nothing to do with lolita. All I’m saying is that they’re wearing those long enough that it’s not new. I don’t see the employees at target wearing their clothes all day and then putting them back on the rack and selling them as new, do you? I don’t see that behavior in literally any other clothing store, every clothing store where the employees wear the clothes or model the clothes they have to buy them. Angelic pretty is the only store I’ve seen where the employees wear the clothes and then put them on the rack and sell them. They should be selling them in a sale as model-worn samples, like other small clothing brands or shops do

>>10714524
They’re not all tiktok, they’ve been filming these before they had a tiktok for Instagram

>>10714525
Are you just dense? Acting like AP is above letting staff wear their products and then selling them to customers implies they think AP is supposed to meet some standard. I mentioned luxury brands be only luxury brands have high standards like that. Those same anons are probably the ones wearing a dress and then selling NWT anyway.

>>10714525
>Angelic pretty is the only store I’ve seen where the employees wear the clothes and then put them on the rack
do you seriously believe this? most stores do this, especially japanese stores. i am not from japan but worked for liz lisa in hong kong at the laforet there and i once had to remove a dress i was wearing because the customer needed my size and all my manager did was spray some rose scented anti sweat spray on it.

>>10714534
That’s a reach in logic. As I said, low end stores don’t do this. I’m not comparing this to Chanel or Dior or Gucci or whatever. I’m comparing this to boutique shops I’ve been to and roommates have worked at because I think that’s a fair comparison. Semi bougie priced boutique shops where everything is a few hundred dollars. AP Paris isn’t in Japan, it’s in the west and that’s not normal behavior in a Western store

>>10714344
We're talking about AP, not other stores. It typically is sold "mint condition".

>>10714553
then stop comparing AP to other stores first. AP has always done this so stop acting like it's weird.

>>10714543
Yes they do and others have pointed it out.
>>10714553
If you weren't blind you'd see that we are.

>>10714508
Gift clothing to it's employees? No they don't need to send out free dresses, let your employees who make cute social media content that makes people consider buying your hideous recent releases a free dress because they're doing a lot with nothing.

>>10714563
*have a free dress.

Like how many naive idiots thought "actually now I like Spooky Night Story for exactly long enough to buy it because of AP Paris tiktoks? Give each shop 1-2 of each release to someone who gets the most engagement or something.

>>10714565
It's not like I like those enough to purchase, but many releases grow on me after I see japanese lolitas styling those. Sometimes I thought it would make sense to give dresses to a big lolita bloggers, either as a gift or as something to wear for a post.

>>10714570
This is better than off the rack but desu this dress still reads like taobao clip art. It’s so frustrating because I really think there was potential in the concept but the execution is just so lackluster.

>>10714570
it's impossible to make this awful print look good, wow

>>10714602
it still looks awful there, are you blind? they just filtered it like crazy and added a bunch of stickers

>>10714605
read my post again

>>10714609
my bad, I thought you were agreeing with them as in, "wow they actually managed to make it look good".

>>10714570
I don’t think these cords are bad, I think the biggest problem with this dress is that the colors are really washed out, so if you pair it with other brown or pink accessories they don’t match the dress. If the girl on the right’s brown accessories had been the more washed out brown of the dress I think it would’ve been actually really cute

>>10714677
Same anon, I think the biggest problem is the material. These colors and this pattern would’ve looked better on cotton, and that would make all the difference. I like this material OK for some prints, but for these super light pastel print it always makes it look so much worse

>>10714677
Lately that's been AP's biggest problem. They keep releasing colors that don't match other things. They used to thematically release accessories for those colors over the course of a year but desu that shit ain't happening enough

>>10714697
Agree. Not long ago the put out some cute rosettes with cats on them. I can’t remember exactly which print they were supposed to go with, but they look like they would match a bunch of different dresses which I thought was really nice! I think it might’ve been in conjunction with toy museum? But it looks like it would also have matched noble collection and a bunch of other prints. But that’s been the exception rather than the rule lately. It was the first time in a really long time I’d seen that, besides their plain ass shit that’s just a regular plastic pearl necklace that they want to charge you $150 for. The only other things in the past few years that I thought seem to match well with previous prints were those pastel hair bows with the rick-rack trim and colored pearls on them. I got those in multiple colors and they’ve been fantastic. Although they match much better with my older stuff than any of my new stuff. They have been putting out a lot of muted pastels for their main pieces and then accessories and bright pastels

Anyone else usually a big AP whore, but has now lost all excitement for the future?
I'm looking forward to Candy Fairy and Nakayoshi Bunny, but that's it. It's so sad.

>>10714801
I think everyone on this thread can sympathise with this, feels bad.

>>10714801
As a someone who's trying to save more this year I'm glad with the situation.

AP online shop has some Toy Fantasy headbows, OTKs (white) and Marshmallow Border OTKs (sax, black) if anyone’s looking

>>10714824
Bless you anon. Thanks for posting about this, finally got myself a head bow!

Anyone get a confirmation from AP USA on their Happy Packs? I am curious what other people are going to get from the US branch.

>>10714813
I still see some people saying certain releases are "cute" though, and absolutely nothing has really caught my eye.

>>10714821
I guess that's a perk, but having no good releases for months is kind of a drain.

>>10714903
>I still see some people saying certain releases are "cute" though, and absolutely nothing has really caught my eye.

Everyone has different tastes.

>>10714801
i'm only here to see if there will be any more 2010s prints mtos

I wish AP would go a different direction than the toned down larme-looking trend. Honestly I don’t even care what other direction they would go, it’s just getting very repetitive and I’m not a fan of the grayish color palette. I like that they were doing retroy diner things for a while, it was something different. They’ve just been pretty one-note for quite a while and it would be cool to see a new direction. They always have a few releases like happy garland and jelly candy toys that are supposed to be catering to people that like more OTT sweet, but as a whole the brand has become very muted, larme, almost like a sweet classic vibe.
If they were going to go in a new direction stylistically, what would you guys like to see? Besides 2010 sweet which a lot of people obviously really like.
I liked it when they were doing a lot more military/marching band style things around 2014, It would be cool to see more of that. I recently picked up. I recently picked up the dreamy stage head bowl because I thought it would look good with my military style prints, but I didn’t realize it was black & gray and not black & white so now I don’t know how I’ll use it

>>10714933
>I liked it when they were doing a lot more military/marching band style things around 2014
I like this aesthetics a lot. Probably my fav era was somewhere between the super sweet pastels and larme things. I kinda wish they've implemented this "mature" style by working with more darker and muted colors rather than avoiding cute imagery.

>>10714958
ooo yeah, the colors were so good then

>>10714958
I think it'd be fine even in pastel colors. I love military and chocolate stuff mixed, especially in pink and mint.

I love the look of pastel sweet but don't really enjoy coording it on myself.

>>10714928
Hard same.

Back before the three big MTOs of 2021 were announced, I predicted SC being rereleased. I feel strongly that AP will do a MIlky Planet or Milky-Chan MTO, but my hopes are fading fast. It feels like AP mistakenly thinks they satiated everyone and are just moving on in the wrong direction like >>10714933 is sort of pointing out.

>>10714958
I adore CDC for this too. Sort of a sweet theme if you look at the individual motifs, but put together in the color palette it’s really an iconic look. AP has no more fucks to give for something even as remotely complicated as the tiered JSK anymore though

>>10715168
I miss unique cuts. Even something simple like this with organza straps, waist belt, and waist bow was so cute.

This week's release

>>10715187

>>10715189

>>10715187
>>10715189
this seems off to me.

>>10715190

>>10715192

>>10715193
Nagoya and Shibuya only

>>10715194

>>10715191
AP is always "off" nowadays.

Also this dress is just a regurgitation of a bunch of AP's other modern princess-y solids. I feel like I've seen 10 of this same dress.

>>10715201
ya but this really screams bjd dress, especially with the gold rickrack.

>>10715191
because the waist bow is on the vag

>>10715190
this looks so strange, but I do like the idea of pearl straps

>>10715187
>>10715190
Absolute shite.

>>10715187
>>10715189
>>10715190
so tacky and cheap looking. who tf is even designing for AP anymore? can't be Maki/Asuka

>>10715190
We’ll, it’s a unique cut, I’ll give it that

>>10715220
chinese girls

>>10715255
it does look like it's target towards them. i don't get what they see in these types of dresses

>>10715187
why are there cool pink ribbons on a warm pink dress?

Yeah but, Cogimyun MTO for all

I’m gonna get me an overpriced white blouse with flour spirit appliques

>>10715220
We’ll Maki was the print illustrator (but I don’t think most of the new prints are by her, if any) and Asuka designed shoes and accessories, which haven’t totally gone to shit so it’s possible she’s still there. Neither designed dresses. I don’t pay too much attention to their events anymore, are they still the faces of the brand? I feel like they use models as the faces now, but again, I don’t follow events.

>>10715187
>>10715190
These look like children’s princess costumes you can buy for cheap from the toy isle.

>>10715302
that's probably why chinese girls like them. kek.

>>10714933
I want them to lean into the old school trend, the pink house trend and maybe release more bright/crazy prints to attract zoomers. Right now, it doesn’t seem like there are many new Lolitas in Japan, which is a big problem.

>>10715367
I'd love more saturated releases, but I don't think crazy colors are gonna attract zoomers in Japan. There's a shitton of pressure to fit in. The lolitas I follow really like axes femme, Miho Matsuda, Maison because it's more toned down girly. They save lolita for special events

>>10715377
>pressure to fit in

No one wearing lolita cares about that in japan

>>10715377
>I don't think crazy colors are gonna attract zoomers in Japan.
anon, zoomers in japan are getting temporary tattoos of fake harm scars. the rebellious youth lives for the edge.

>>10715367
They've been trying and their new oldschool dresses, the majority of you folks won't buy because it didn't come out in '06. They bastardized the release that was made to look like Ribbon Decoration because they tried to make it look "old school." It's like a weird mix of their OTT era and old school. I would have been happier if they made the bows more pronounced at least.

>>10715416
Whoa that’s cute. When did that come out? How did I miss that?

>>10715435
It came out the first week of December and it's still fully in-stock on the JP site if you would like to purchase

>>10715377
its literally the zoomers that are the outwardly dressed/more open-minded population but go off lol

>>10715190
I actually really like this

>>10715451
I like the design/idea but the execution fails for me. That purple fabric on the bottom looks so bad and the way it comes together in that area looks cheap.

>>10715416
These aren’t the old school dresses anyone really wanted though. AP had some iconic, pretty solids they could bring out again but don’t. Even this dress is pretty good minus the cheap bodice ribbon

>>10715377
> The lolitas I follow really like axes femme, Miho Matsuda, Maison because it's more toned down girly.

Probably because they are older?

Zoomers love outlandish shit, and colorful decora is having a revival but lolita still is getting more and more muted

>>10715484
Agree. Tbh I’d buy this and cut off those little ribbons but I’m on a no-buy for lolita until I get my happy packs and actually get to wear what I’ve already got and got coming

>>10715485
>>10715406
Fuck I'm getting old. Literally all I see on my feeds are old school or casual. I don't know where the zoomers are apparently

>>10715488
That's exactly what I started thinking about as well. I just wish they didn't rush this design.

>>10715449
The majority of them wear literal garbage bags that don't fit their body shape with the ugliest eyeliner that's a mile high but go off.

>>10715549
I hate that modern jfashion is just sack-shaped clothing

>>10715416
Petition for them to rerelease Heart Pocket JSK and other iconic old school dresses instead of this

>>10715449

Have you ever seen a zoomer room that isn't filled with those ugly Amazon line lights? That's all you need to know about their tastes and how "open minded" they are about experimenting with anything.

>>10715598
I think that they'd probably re-release more popular prints over the non-prints, but it'd be great if we could have a poll for the non-print re-releases and sent it over to them. I've been jonsing for bunny pocket since 2008. It might be the dress that got me into Angelic Pretty and I was bummed I couldn't get it as soon as I got into lolita.

>>10715601
You mean strip lights? I don't think that's exclusive to zoomers. Gamers started doing this first and realistically I'm a 30 year old with strip lights, because I was into raving when I was in my 20s and so I enjoy them in my computer / office. They put out good lighting for the room, so even when I am on camera with low light then people can still see me relatively well for work.

>>10715604
Lol they would not care what a bunch of westerners want. They would do the poll in Japan and possibly China. We (as in everywhere else) are the smallest demographic. They’re not going to change anything as long as they’re selling out, which they consistently are. It sucks, but it is what it is.

>>10715673
They rereleased honey cake, didn’t they?

>>10715706
Nevermind that candy fairy is going to be a literal garbage back on most people

>>10715751
I wouldn’t mind AP making bigger sizes of they didn’t just make them a giant tube ffs

>>10715606

Uh I guess it's fine you like them, the point I'm trying to make is that gen z just follows trends like everyone else. An additional point is that it's usually just in faster cycles so it may look newer to people not caught up yet.

>>10715763
Strip lights/colourful LED lights/smart lights have been in style for more than half a decade.

>>10715770
anon just watches too much tiktok. 100% not a gen z trend

>>10715770
For real, I remember that shit from 2000

>>10715416
No one bought this because every part of it looks cheap. The straps are plain, the bodice is way too busy with the weird ruffles and cheap looking ribbon, the portion below the waist looks empty, and the layering of the lace at the bottom makes it look like a Black Butler cosplay. Why would anyone interested in old school buy this when Baby is regularly rereleasing their old pieces with actually good quality materials and the secondhand market is overflowing with old dresses for >10k yen

Gulls I got my happy pack. Ordered from Japan via SS. Ivory British bear JSJ + KC, Galaxy cocktail OP, and two navy Misty sky barrettes. British bear alone was worth it for me

>>10716055
Dang you lucked out. I got 2 of galaxy cocktail :/

>>10716071
Oh no that’s awful. Two of the same shouldn’t be allowed. I’m sorry anon

>>10716071
which cuts/colors?

>>10716071
Wow that's fucking awful. I'm sorry anon.

>>10716086
I know usually they at least try to balance it out, like one piece that bombed and one piece somebody might actually want.

>>10716093
I got the OP in pink and the JSK in navy, and the planet brooch. I hadn’t realized how kink-like the OP actually is. From behind it legit looks like a bondage harness. Sigh. At least I didn’t get removable sleeves kek.

>>10716018
>the secondhand market is overflowing with old dresses for >10k yen

this has not been the case since the old school boom started. solids are worth a fortune. even wunderwelt is selling solids for $300-$500.

>>10716071
AP shouldn't put two of the same print in one LP. How shitty. You might have luck listing them on LM to recoup the cost.

>>10716147
nta but even with the old school boom there's still plenty of cheap os dresses floating around. You just have to be very active on mercari/fril

>>10716122
I really wanted the navy but only for the jp price or less… disappointing it went into LPs instead of on sale. I like edgy shit

My AP USA happy pack just shipped and should arrive tuesday. Hope its not complete shit but i have low hopes :/

>>10716191
There’s already a bunch showing up on the second hand market, I’m sure they’ll get cheaper as time goes on

>>10716122
Went and looked it up and wow. I knew it was shit, but this OP might be one of the ugliest AP releases ever. And oooof on the harness. Just no.

>>10716197
Oh no a harness! Must be kink. Kek
Like it or not a lot of people like harnesses like this. This whole dress isn’t really aimed at the typical lolita so don’t think of it that way

>>10716197
wine aunt vibes

>>10716210
You say that like k8 isn’t a well known kinkster. And kink aside, it looks like total cheap shite.

harnesses don’t belong in Lolita in general. They look awful 99% of the time, and are sported nearly exclusively by borderline abdl pick mes.

>>10708297
This looks fine, you probably just don’t know how to coord

>>10716239
My point is this dress isnt really a typical lolita dress, I think it’s more made for wearing in non-lolita ways, like salopettes. People who wear other j-fashion or mix it with decora or like whatever the people that work at 6%dokidoki wear

>>10716191
It was discounted during the summer sale initially

>>10716210
>posting a known kinkster that fucks dudes who piss in diapers
This isn't helping your case whatsoever

>>10716122
>I got the OP in pink and the JSK in navy
Those are the exact cuts and colours I want! Perhaps I should’ve bought a LP after all. One man’s trash and all that

>>10716210
Posting k8 was a bad choice

>>10716260
I really don’t give a fuck what she does in her personal life. I went to Instagram to get a pic of someone wearing something like this and she was the first one that popped up. Says more about you that you remember and care and about all that stuff. I’ve been in lolita 4 years and it was before my time so I don’t care. Here, here’s someone else

>>10716271
Anon, this isn't lolita. What are you even trying to say? I'm starting to think you've been a lolita at heart for 4 years.

>>10716239
>harnesses are usually worn by borderline abdl pick mes

This. I don’t have a problem with pushing the boundaries in lolita/jfash , but why is it that all the people who do are un-fucking-hinged?

>>10716247
My point is that this dress is hideous. The construction is god awful. The materials are cheap. And they took Inspo from that equally hideous to Alice space release.

>>10716323
That’s my point. I’m saying I don’t think the release was intended to really be lolita. The materials, construction, design, color palette, theme, accessories (aka harness), none if it is typical lolita and I don’t think it was intended for us to like. I think it was intended for people like the pic I posted, people who are into that whole color vomit cyber weird layers 6%dokidoki stuff

>>10716389
Don’t waste your time, anon. I get what you’re saying. You’re just responding to shit-stirrers being willfully obtuse to pick a fight.

>>10716389
Fair point. Salopettes were majorly influenced by fairy-kei and also why there are so many mini skirts floating around.

>>10716258
RIP I either missed it or thought it was still overpriced. Wish AP USA sold their pieces not marked up so much. I didn’t mind 20-30$ but 40- 50$ on each blouse and jsk adds up

>>10715416
I don’t understand why AP doesn’t do proper old-school rereleases like Baby does. Nobody wants cheap looking shit like this.

>>10716239
They look perfectly fine in goth because harnesses have always been a party of goth fashion. I agree that it looked like e-girl shite in sweet though

>>10716435
They’ve never had to learn actual good business sense because they’re so popular. It’s to their detriment. They don’t know how to actually make products at their customers are truly want. They get it like 80% right and phone the rest in

>>10716439
Many people have said it before, but China does. China is the main demographic.

>>10716457
And we just assume China wants this stuff? It sells out over there but it’s also a huge market, I think the number address is available is much much smaller than the total number of lolitas. how do you know there aren’t a lot of Chinese lolitas that don’t like the look of the stuff and pass on it too, just like a lot of western lolitas? They have itas and newbs just like us

>>10716466
It doesnt matter if some chinese ppl dont like it. Enough do that it sells out, and thats all that matters.

Their itas are buying taobao btw, its obviously so much easier for them. Brand is a status thing.

>>10716457
They don't really though. I purchase through some of the Taobao SS which is where a lot of the Chinese lolitas get their burando from too, and for things like little bunny strawberry all their slots are gone within seconds, whereas this stuff just sits at 0 purchases. Petit bouquet, fantastic balloon and new AP like that is great, but I don't know who is the market for all the other wack stuff.

>>10716389
>>10716397
Galaxy Cocktail is intended to be lolita. It's just slightly off from the typical style. AP has messed with the silhouette of lolita fashion for awhile, but it's safe to assume most of what they release is intended to be lolita. i don't get why the harness is such a point of contention, the aesthetic of Galaxy Cocktail is a 1950s-1950s futurist one.

>>10716489
the trim on the dress, a rounded shiny white material, goes with the whole 60s scifi jetsons aesthetic. AP has done a few retro releases every year and galaxy cocktail was one of them.

>>10716397
God why the fuck are you people still spewing these bullshit takes. That was never confirmed outside some old a/f speculation on ceeg.
If a lolita brand releases an item. styles it as lolita. It's lolita. Same for sneakers.

I just had to throw out my Melty Chocolate bag from 2013. It's only been taken out less then a handful of times and within the last year it went from perfect condition to completely peeling apart. I didn't even wear it or take it outside; I had to check it twice while re-arranging things in my closet, so I saw it "fine" in early 2021 and last week it was wrecked.

Is this a normal lifespan for PU or could I have done something wrong? It was packed in tissue paper and kept in a house with a temp between 65f and 75f consistently.

>>10716607
New AP vinyl peels after a certain amount of time. I don’t think there’s a specific time limit, and it depends on if you’re in humid or dry conditions. Treating the bags harshly can speed it up but taking good care of them doesn’t prolong the life really. Whenever they changed the vinyl it got lower quality.

>>10716537
This. Salopettes have always been Lolita. If you look at the timeline on lolibrary you can clearly see the evolution from drop waist JSKs.

>>10716607
It really depends on the quality of the PU. In my experience it’s really hit or miss with AP. My Royal Chocolate bag is a total champ, but you can tell that the PU is way tougher just by touching it. It feels almost like solid plastic. My soft PU moon bag disintegrated so quickly.

Fwiw, Qpot bags are pricey but so unbelievably worth it.

>>10716623
Exactly. I even looked up salopette on lolibrary to see when they popped up and it was and 2005ish with meta and aatp being the first to use to term and eventually meta being the first to have the cut we see as a salopette today. Aside from a couple, they were all dark colors, so 100% not fairy kei.
AP jumped in on the salopette wagon in 2009, but that was so the time AP began getting in its stride of the sweet supreme and experimenting a lot with cuts, prints, etc. AP was just taking an already known cut from meta and just making it pastelly sweet. So AP salopettes were influenced by another lolita brand, not fairy kei.

>>10716623
>Q-Pot bags are pricey but worth it
100%. As someone who collects luxury brand bags, QPot bags are a steal at their price point. They have better quality than bags 4-5x their price.

>>10716623
You can see it start to develop in AP from 2006 with the switching low waist jsk, which kinda evolves in the this beauty from 2008:

Pop n Rock is clearly approaching full on salopette style. Also it’s amazing and I want it. Well that, and candy denim.

>>10716607
I have had two AP purses die this way due to humidity. It’s to the point I only take them out for pictures because they flake so bad. It’s not even that old. On the other hand I have a AATP chest purse from early 2000s and has just started to crack.

>>10716846
Seconding the old PU bags. That crown bag from btssb is a tank, and makes an excellent self defense weapon. I miss when brands actually had a fuck to give about bag quality.

I’ve always wanted higher end Lolita bags but the leather ones I’ve seen from this indie brand were pretty poorly done too. I guess Lolita handbags in general are just too niche to really make it worth someone’s while to make really nice ones. I guess the same is true for shoes.

>>10716607
Yet AP still charges over $100 for them... disgusting

Winter sale is up on AP Paris. Nothing exciting sadly.

>>10710437
You talk so smug like you straight up sounds like a fedora tipper
It's cringe af how good you think you are
Go cry more burando princess