/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10617643
Thank you, OP.

>>10617643
Lmao love it

>>10617643
Wow, hanikami has to be mentally ill/addicted to shopping. Why would you destroy your reputation and nuke your social media over a couple of mystery packages? I wonder if she even knew what was inside them before she decided to run off into the sunset.

>>10617660
She is. She was constantly posting on Instagram for WTBs and then the next second put up sales posts on LM. Picrel

>>10617643
I knew that skeleton was bad but holy fucking shit, this is fucked

>>10617642

Even some US lolitas are already beginning to repost UK comms' insta stories warning people.

Looks like she baleeted all her LM listings or got reported/banned?

I don't see any of her items anymore.

>>10617673
It’s still there i think she just deleted the Topping Heart op

>>10617675
Was it in the stolen package? I think she had it before.
She was selling it as new with tags and had outfit pictures on insta.

>>10617675
She deleted everything with no bids, it was 3 items or something like that

>>10617678
Is there a way to report her whole account at once that mods might actually respond to in a timely manner or should people simply mass report her listings with info about the theft and suggest mods ban her and delete all listings just in case it was stolen goods?

>>10617679
I think both emailing and messaging mods through FB would be the best option

Hello everyone, this is the OP of the warning post. I was shown a screenshot of this thread I think from Zoe. Since probably seeing my post or hearing about it, she has decided to send off the parcels. So hopefully it will all work out in the end. I want to thank everyone for being so understanding and kind to me. I'm also sorry to the people that have had not the best experiences with her or other buyers/sellers without a good ending and I hope it never happens again. Thank you

>>10617673
did she delete her fb too or rename it?

>>10617684
She has renamed it or had a second one, I was contacted by both FB and IG.

>>10617682
Even if this is true it's depressing that social shaming was neccesary to get her to not literally steal. She should be banned from selling platformsand the SS.

Tbh I wonder if Tyler would make a vid about her. Idk if it'll get that far around online comms but if it does and she does I can see Tyler get "cancelled" harder than her anti-apology because 'uwu so sad don't bully the anorexic girl she needs help'

>>10617682
I’m sorry you had to go though this. I saw the warning being posted by a few on Instagram. Good you’re getting your items now but I think the shopping service is also part if this mess. I hope they double check the addresses from now on

>>10617688
Nayrt but anon PLEASE do not blame busy shopping services overwhelmed with orders right now for a mix up when ana-chan literally committed theft. 99% of SS orders have no issues, the occasional problem isn't a reason to try to turn any blame to one of few SS options when the real issue is a shady bitch with a shopping and starvation addiction.

>>10617682
Dont let up until you actually get the shit though anon. Keep this stuff up until then.

Zoeosaki is also currently using photos that are just taken from a fril listing instead of her own for a blouse that is currently up. Shocked no one's reported it yet.

>>10617689
I’m not trying to defend the thefty skely but i just wanted to bring up the part where the SS messed up it’s a bit concerning
>>10617693
Screenshots?

>>10617687
It would have been so much nicer and easier if she could have at least acknowledged our messages and maybe not block and disappear, but it's been done now.

>>10617688
Thank you! I feel sorry for them as I've heard other shopping services have made or nearly made the same mistake.

>>10617691
Noted! I will give another update, I hope it all works out because I don't actually want people hating her forever. I hope she learns from this really and my post was a deterrent for her and any other possible parcel thieves.

I did hear that there are a few other problems people are sorting out to do with Lacemarket and PayPal claims.

>>10617697
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/promenade-de-paris-blouse-brown

>>10617697
It's on LM on her promenade de paris blouse listing. Someone links to the fril listing and she admits to using that photo because she got that item from fril with a ss. Not as big an issue as package theft so I didn't screenshot it but figured I'd just add one to the pile while her behavior is being discussed.

>>10617698
I think if this causes her to vanish out of the community for a while, it may be doing her a favor. She’s obviously constantly buying and selling things to fill some sort of void and it may do her a world of good to get some actual help instead of just buying things on the internet and pestering people.

>>10617706
>to fill a void
She needs to fill her body with water and some kind of nutrients without throwing it up immediately after so she can take meds to deal with what she is struggling with beyond the ED

does anyone know if she is receiving some kind of professional help? I'm honestly very concerned for her welfare at this moment in time..

>>10617711
Yea i also wanna know. I was thinking she’d commit sudoku over this or something similar. Girl definitely needs a reality check and get help asap

>>10617711
pretty sure she's in therapy though I don't have solid proof (but even therapy won't do if you're not willing to get better in general)

it kind of seems like a witch hunty thread desu now that the situation is apparently resolved

>>10617721
Anon, she tried to get away with stealing.

>>10617721
It won't be resolved until the legitimate owner receives their items.

>>10617721
Except for the most recent update where she is trying to guilt trip the SS and the girl who’s parcels she has stolen.

>>10617726
caps?

>>10617727

>>10617721
I'm just popping back for a second but please note that my warning post was in no way meant to be a witch hunt or to start one. I think a lot of people have other issues from previous sales or encounters with her that they are finally speaking up about.

I think I'll leave this site now but I just wanted to let everyone know.

>>10617726
Oh to add to this, she was talking about her feelings and some things that might trigger people so I won't say it here.

>>10617727

>>10617730
>things that might trigger people
People should expect to get triggered here. Please post whatever it is

>>10617722
I absolutely don't condone that for a moment - I just didn't see the point of people attacking her if it was sorted. But apparently it isn't, so that's my bad.

>>10617729
don't worry, I didn't mean you were trying to start a witch hunt at all: I just don't think it being on cgl is always that useful! but it seems like a wider issue now so its important that people know.

>>10617732
What is the warning post she is talking about in her latest IG story?

I hope this situation gets resolved!
I had a terrible experience with this girl a few years ago. I was young and easily manipulated by her words but I really regret letting her behaviour slide by not leaving a review. I’m glad it’s coming to light now though, and I hope she seeks help because lolita seems really unhealthy for her desu.

>>10617772
If you haven’t left a review you can still do it now and you definitely should

Is she that horrible? I mean she still returned goods even if she could have kept them after disappearing from medias

>>10617780
She has raged out on people for tiny things. She has essentially threatened to kill herself or mentioned how sad and suicidal she is if people don't discount or sell her items she wants or something along those lines too? There has been a longstanding pattern of gulls mentioning her serious deranged behavior over the last few months at minimum and other people who have been afraid to really discuss her behavior in LM feedback because of issues with people easily being able to leave retaliatory feedback.

She is bad enough that many people didn't want her in the community before this incident and we all kind of just wish she would go get treatment for whatever the fuck is less obviously wrong with her than the ED.

She bought something from C*dn*y on LM yesterday, I hope she didn't bully her into selling

WTF did you see her talking about suicide? Do you have any proof of what you are talking about?
I never saw her talking about this, she was clearly desperate but never told she would kill herself or something as silly as you assume

>>10617788
Check the archive. She has basically talked about wanting to die and how the only thing in life for her is anorexia and lolita publicly on her insta as well as at least one anon in the past claiming she was trying to use that or her mental illnesses to guilty and bully people into selling what she wants.

>>10617787
Nah Cadneys been selling/listing her stuff voluntarily in waves here and there for a little while, no reason to think something shady happened there unless she were to say something.

all these esl sounding posts questioning well known details about ana-chan and sort of defending her are prolly just her or her friends who still feel bad for her.

>>10617784
She threatened to kill herself over a ring my friend sold that didn't end up being hers she went to my friend's dms and started talking about suicidal thoughts she's a goon

>>10617780
but until the anon whose items got taken really gets the items, she has not returned them yet, just said she would

She provided tracking information to both SS and the girl
Stop hurting people for no reason and without knowing everything

>>10617780
She hasn’t returned them yet and just the fact that she would try something like this does make her really horrible

>>10617805
lol and how do you know that? are you her “friend”?

As you rightfully said she has no friends
She is a disgusting person

>>10617805
ok Zoe

>>10617805
I don't think it's hurting anyone to warn people that she's nuts. People shouldn't be saying anything extreme but the majority of anons are just telling horror stories or saying that she needs help and has an addiction but that stealing is wrong.

She never stole anything at this point

>>10617814
She definitely tried to or intended to.

>>10617814
Returning it after social media shaming doesn’t absolve you, Zoe. Go eat something and touch some grass.

Proof? You guys are talking a lot, I can relate salty talking is exciting but it does hurt someone at the end.

>>10617818
Are you retarded?

>>10617805
>>10617809
>>10617814
If you're Zoe or friends with her, please make sure she's receiving qualified help. It's obvious she needs it, and not just in regards to this whole situation.

If I could eat I would, not for you but for myself.

>>10617821
Who cares about your good at this point anyway? You tried to steal from a fellow lolita and get away with it and you only are repenting when you got called out

>>10617805
>>10617814
>>10617818

If she hadn’t intended to steal, why sell the dress as URGENT? Fuck off, Zoe.

Why did I return goods then?
You guys could be happy that I leave you alone. Hopefully you will find new stories to giggle at soon cause mine is probably not so interesting. I still have to thank you giving me so much interest and time because I thought for years I didn’t worth any talk!

>>10617825
You are batshit insane. Stay away from the lolita community fucking thief

>>10617824
please don't tell me you tried to sell a dress that you received in error...thats even worse than stealing the dress for yourself baka..

>>10617825
>Why did I return goods then?
You tell us why, we cannot really comprehend your reasoning here.

>>10617825
It’s obvious it’s because your thieving ass got put on blast

How many of you would have done same? I received goods I didn’t ask for, it doesn’t excuse everything but even knowing I was already hated by everyone I still returned everything. I never has been a part of your community because I am not as good as you. I am indeed extremely sick, crazy and whatsoever. If you hate me that much you should just stop feeding this debate and forget me.

>>10617825
you’re fucking nuts and already sold one stolen dress, please get help

>>10617830
>How many of you would have done same

Are you really trying to justify stealing? Normal lolitas would have just returned the package you retard. You’re hated because of your behavior of guilting people, harassing them with suicide bait, and now for being a thief

Dress was returned to the girl. You could still ask to the author when she will received everything.

>>10617830
No, the correct thing to do would have been to immediately contact the SS to let them know how to proceed. Don't justify your bad behavior

>>10617830
>How many of you would have done same?
Probably fewer than you would imagine. Most of us realise how much reputation matters in a niche community. Please sick help. There are people who are genuinely worried about you, even in this shithole called /cgl/.

>>10617833
The damage is done with you trying to sell stolen goods and then trying to delete socials and run. You cannot undo that. Too little too late. You will forever be branded a thief.

>>10617833
You literally sold one of her dresses though... what else was in her order?

>>10617825
>Hopefully you will find new stories to giggle at soon
No worries, we get that every week when AP announces a new release.

>>10617833
You should know that this will never go away. This kind of thing follows you around forever.

>>10617805
Only after you got caught, kek

>>10617830
Stop using your mental illness as a crutch and take accountability for your choices. That's addiction recovery 101

I hope she also gets blacklisted by AP Paris

>>10617830
>how many of you would do the same

None of us because we’re not fucking crooks. Stop trying to guilt us and accept that you fucked up. You stole from someone and now you’re trying to justify it & send your stupid ass friends to defend yourself. Take the L, Zoe.

>>10617821
You can even if your brain is tricking you into thinking you cannot.

Zoe/Hanikami bear

Please never come back to this community. You are nothing but a negative force in it. This isn’t the first time you have been shady and I have heard from several people you sell them items with undisclosed damages, but this is the worst thing you have done so far and it is the final nail in the coffin. Nobody will forget this.

>>10617849
Someone should email them telling them how she is a thief

Yes I will not disturb you anymore. Hopefully I will be blacklisted, I will be banned from EGL. I do not try to guilt you. I am wrong and assume it. That is why I returned goods even if it was too late. Goodbye, may you forget me soon.

>>10617856
I will personally make sure what you did will not be forgotten you are a disgusting piece of shit

on a legal note, if the dresses were addressed to Hanikami with her name, then I dont think this is classed as a felony. If however you receive an item addressed to someone else and then keep it or sell it on, that is illegal?

>>10617856
you need to seek professional medical help, from your doctor or an inpatient facility, and stay off the Internet for a while until you have recovered.

>>10617856
ZOE SEEK HELP

>>10617860
I’m pretty sure it is illegal since the person who paid for the items have reached out and Zoe tried to sell her stuff

>>10617866
I mean the complication is that the shopping service are also at fault in sending the goods to the wrong person (presumably with their name and address on) so arguably they have given the items to someone else...not that this makes Zoes actions ok whatsoever, its just another complication from a legal standpoint.

>>10617860
>>10617866
>>10617867
I’ve heard of this happening many times over years of ebay selling and in the vast majority of cases the buyers are very compliant and will forward items on as long as the seller covers postage. If you accidentally send the goods to someone who’s spent their whole life using their mental illness as a get out of jail free card then you’re shit out of luck from a legal standpoint and would have to reimburse the buyer who should’ve received the goods.

kek

does anyone know which shopping service this was?

>>10617873
This- it is a felony to hold mail that was sent to you on accident in the US.
If no one contacts you about it and you can prove you did not try to return it to the sender or find the intended recipient, that is the only way to get out of possible legal ramifications from the feds.
IDK how it is in Frogland, but if the sender AND intended recipient contact you about mail that was sent to you on accident, you are legally obligated to send it to either of those parties without damages.
t. this kind of happened to me, my dresses were just sent to a lazy spoony who took 2 months to drop shit off at the post office.

>>10617737
why are you here then lmao

>>10617882
honestly the SS should have either got Zoe to return it, or refunded the buyer and banned Zoe for keeping it.

>>10617880
Quite possibly Sunflower Seed, becacuse Zoe supported their Kofi which means they'd have her address on record

>>10617882
Ayrt and that’s interesting, I’ve only ever seen it play out on UK ebay who are literally like “refund the original buyer and get fucked haha.”

>>10617788
nta but ive seen it in caps multiple times
she is obviously not ok

>>10617895
oh god I have an open order with them - their communication has been awful lately so now I'm really worried.

>>10617898
Yeah, in the US mail related crimes are serious fucking business and the laws surrounding it are draconic.
This is why us burgers can be hesitant to mark down packages- its considered mail fraud with is a felony.
But for burgers- if this ever happens to you, you can absolutely get legal with the person holding your shit hostage. It's considered obstruction of mail.
"Whoever knowingly and willfully obstructs or retards the passage of the mail, or any carrier or conveyance carrying the mail, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."

>>10617908
Sorry for samefagging, it can also be mail theft which
"It's a federal offense to open mail that doesn't belong to you. If you do it intentionally, you could be looking at a $250,000 fine and up to five years in a federal prison"

>>10617895
>>10617880
>>10617902
I actually think its Bellshrimpss on Instagram. I mean, the story lines up with people saying the SS wanted to take a break & everything + Zoe used Bellshrimpss many times before.

>>10617902
Holy shit I'm worried about my order now.

>>10617880
>>10617895
it seems to be Bellshrimps. they posted a story thanking everyone for the support. i know zoe used them because ive seen some dresses sell and they ended up in her hands lol

>>10617823
>>10617824
>>10617826
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>>10617832
>>10617835
>>10617836
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>>10617843
>>10617851
>>10617854
>>10617857

guys maybe dont engage with the mentally ill person going through a crisis ?

>>10617923
kek do you know where you are? stop whiteknighting this ugly skelly bitch she deserved everything coming her way

>>10617923
Fuck off cunt. She’s a thief. I don’t give a fuck if she’s going through a “crisis” because she got caught stealing

>>10617923
are you retarded?

>>10617923
oh thats a relief thank you!

She says she'll be gone but we all know she's an attention whore and will be back on her shit less than a month later she's a pathetic addict who fakes puking on her instagram reels for attention

>>10617923
seriously. if something bad happens to her this board will be in the shit

>>10617941
Wtf she did that?? Spill the beans nonny

>>10617944
Nobody has told her to kill herself. We’re all calling her disgusting for stealing. There would be no consequences unless someone harassed her directly

>>10617944
>something bad
already happened.

>>10617944
No it wouldn’t. The only way someone would be in trouble is if if they were messaging her to commit suicide directly. There is literally no consequence for outing someone as a thief

That scalper with the honeycake cafe set is back again.

>>10617957
Read the room anon kek

>>10617944
>this board will be in the shit
do you... understand what goes on on other boards here? lol

no, nothing is going to happen if some nobody decides it's her time to keel over. so much worse has happened.

>>10617923
>>10617944

The narrative that someone is instantly absolved of harm they cause to other humans simply because they're going through a ~mental health crisis~ is one of the most poisonous things in this society. Bitch hurt two people, she needs to own up to it mental health crisis or not.

>>10617957
She basically scalps from Xianyu. Annoying that she keeps deleting and reposting her shit.

>>10617923
>>10617944
Arrête de samefag et de la défendre. T'es gênante.

No one would care or be in any sort of trouble if she killed herself. She only threatens to kill herself for attention but will sadly never actually go for it kek

>>10617976
not the same person b but go off I guess.

and that is the kind of thing which will absolutely be used against you if something happens to her, so just don't.

>>10617950
You can find info on it on lolcow in past lolita threads in /w/ she made an instagram reel where she does exactly that

>>10617966
Wasn’t aware this secondhand market thread was only to be about Zoe. Take it to the farms if you wanna hyperfixate on her

>>10617979
Sure kek.
>used against you
>on 4chan
Way to tell everyone here you're retarded AND new holy shit please save yourself the embarassment and go

Can someone call the french police so this nutjob can be put on suicide watch

>>10617986
Nah. Let what will happen happen. I doubt she will kill herself she just wants sympathy and to be absolved of her literal crimes

>>10617989
People usually stop baiting suicide once the police give them a health check

>>10617986
>implying the french cops would do anything
i wish i had that much faith in them but i would love to do that so she'd shut the fuck up

>>10617989
wow you're a piece of shit :')

>>10617999
How? For not giving into suicide baiting??

>>10617999
Nayrt but I genuinely do not care if someone kills themselves because they got outed for being a criminal

Keep fighting the good fight, gulls.
I'm still scared the original owner is going to have trouble getting the items back though. A tracking number doesn't mean shit.

>>10617986
I can try to call the french police to explain the situation and give them her adress but I doubt they will do anything...

Has she deleted her instagram?

>>10618020
I really think you should, even if they won’t do anything. Things are escalating pretty fast

>>10618022
Yes, after the buyer reached out to her but before being publicly shamed

>>10618020
if you are comfortable doing so then I think it might be best, better to be safe than sorry I think.

>>10618022
yes, she just comes up on my chat history as Instagram User. It is a bit concerning but I don't know if she does this periodically.

>>10618020
>>10618023

I really think what she did is awful but I think it should be up to the original owner and SS to get the police involved if at all. Probably best to wait and see if the items are actually returned or not and then let them proceed how they wish. The most gulls should be worried about is getting her banned from LM and Facebook or other sales groups or notifying Japanese SS that she might be a troublesome customer to deal with in the future since her current SS has undoubtedly banned her. Contacting her local police doesn't do anything but give her a reason to victimize herself and turn this into "cgl bullied/doxxed a mentally ill girl and called the cops on her!!!1" rather than "deranged thief gets rightfully called out and banned from the lolita community"

>>10618031
The police are being contacted because there is a concern she might legit kill herself this time and not because of the stealing.

>>10618031
There’s no way she could spin this. She’s literally a thief and she got caught red handed

>>10618034
Ah, if it's for a wellness check kind of thing then by all means a police or some sort of mental health services call to try to help make sure she doesn't harm herself is totally reasonable. I was worried people were trying to be vindictive and punitive about it since this is /cgl/ after all. Trying to get her help or some sort of support in some way is probably a good thing to do since even if she is a thief she's still a person who needs treatment or at the very least monitoring to make sure she doesn't do anything crazy.

>>10617983
I didn't even realize that this was meant to be a secondhand thread

>>10617805
Whether this is a troll post, her, or her "friends" I think it's best that she dissapeared and stayed offline for a while. Mental illness is no excuse for the craziness and criminal activity. A warning post is not uncalled for . This is in fact is great as it let's others know about a buy at your own risk individual. Personally I think what she did was ban-able offense...you know after the suicide baiting threats and manipulative past bullying. Get your mental illness in check folks !

>>10618039
Technically everything ana-chan did is related to the secondhand market: using stolen fril item photos, selling someone's SS order, stealing the shit to begin with, and all the horror stories are related to shitty secondhand experiences with her as a poor seller or bad buyer (or trying to suicide bait people into selling to her). The vast majority of her awful behavior is all tangentially or directly related to secondhand lolita sales. If this was just people mad about her attention whoring ED glorifying behavior I'd see how it belongs more on the farms, but her issues with secondhand sales have long been a topic of discussion for people because it's hard to discuss it publicly elsewhere besides cgl with LM feedback system being dicey and her being unhinged as it is.

Why is the retarded anorexic the issue and not the SS?
SS should have refunded the OOP for fucking up this bad.

We're lucky it wasn't a psycho but if it was - and lolita does attract deranged men who threaten to rape or kill women they dislike - things could have ended really badly, way worse than a stolen dress.

You don't really think about it but there was no reason the SS couldn't request the dresses be sent to a P.O. box in france to be then rerouted to OP, or for Anorexia chan to send the dresses back to the SS.

I'd understand if it was a pershible but this isn't. The dress wouldn't decay by traveling longer, the way food might.

Giving out addresses was irresponsible and fucked up on the part of the Shopping Service. They should have dealt with Anorexia chan directly.

>>10618058
She’s the issue because she’s selling stolen goods, retard

>>10618058
The SS did contact her but she wanted to keep the shit so she could sell it

>>10618058
Did you read ANYTHING thats been going on? Are you that brain dead?

>>10618058
if you read any of the screenshots, it clearly says the SS and OP tried to get in contact with her. she ignored their messages and dropped off the internet.
they tried to resolve this on their own, ana-chan decided she can keep AND sell these stolen goods and that’s the problem.

>>10618060
well the SS has the responsibility to refund the buyer then. their mistake, they have to fix it.

Have any other SS’ been warned about her yet? And has anyone told AP Paris about this? I’m not sure if Paris is going to do anything but it wouldn’t hurt to tell them.

>>10618058
>We're lucky it wasn't a psycho
clearly she is
>lolita does attract deranged men who threaten to rape or kill women they dislike
straw man, has nothing to do with the topic at hand
>Giving out addresses was irresponsible
stop skipping classes anon because your reading comprehension is fucking terrible

>>10618066
I dont see why AP need to be involved?

>>10618068
Because she’s a thief and needs to be permanently blacklisted from buying and selling lolita in any form

>>10618066
it wouldn't hurt to tell them but i also don't think anything will happen, because this was an instance that occurred with the secondhand market

if it were some other series of events that involved buying directly from AP they might. i'm sure the individual shop staff care, but AP as a company is not going to address one shitstain for being a shitstain on the secondhand market

>>10618068
People have been blacklisted for less

>>10618072
See >>10618074

>>10618074
Is that really a thing?? I couldn’t imagine a company really caring? Aslong as the customer pays there is no further interest for the company no

at this stage it seems like this should be resolved between the SS, buyer and Hanikami - if the SS or dress owner wants to press charges then its up to them, but I don't really see why this needs to be discussed any further. She's never going to be able to buy or sell again so...

>>10618076
Fuck off newfag

>>10618074
>>10618075
i've heard of people getting blacklisted for minor offenses that directly involve the company like
-asking for a return
-cancelling an order
-changing an order

but is there history of somebody being blacklisted by a big brand for personally slighting an individual in the community? i'm not doubting you, i'd just genuinely like to know

>>10618077
Unless LM mods do something sige can continue to sell. Just how she can have 500+ positive feedback despite being a difficult seller.

>>10618076
It is. Even small stuff like cancelling an order can get you blacklisted

>>10618065
100%
it's THEIR fuckup.

>>10618083
The SS making a mistake does not take away from the fact that we literally have proof of Zoe selling stolen goods??

>>10618083
It’s hard to fix when Zoe is blocking everyone involved so she can sell her stolen goods in peace

>>10618082
>Just how she can have 500+ positive feedback despite being a difficult seller.

I had tge worst shopping experience ever with her but was so spineless to leave positive feedback since she made me feel like shit and I wanted her out of my mind and DMs asap...

>>10618064
The fact that OP was told who has the package is problematic. They should have refunded OP end of story.

I say this, because as a buyer and a seller online I have experienced both sides of this coin and the SS's behavior was unacceptable.

Replace or refund if the addressee with the wrong address refuses to give it back. It's not hard.

>>10618088
Zoe still deserves to be exposed and blacklisted though. It was good OP was told who had her items because it turned out Zoe was not only keeping the goods that didn’t belong to her but she started selling the stolen goods too

>>10618083
We already know who the SS was so people can avoid that SS if they feel that it's not worth the risk making mistakes in addresses, but generally I assume a lolita wants her items more than a refund so of course the SS would try to recover the items for the buyer before refunding. Which is what they did attempt to do but ana chan freaked out and deleted everything rather than return it at which point: YES tell the community about her buffoonery so we know not to deal with her, and the SS and buyer can work that out. As far as the SS's mistake, they have been named/outed already so it's not like they're getting off easy for their mistake or lack of double checking shipping addresses.

>>10618088
Not defending the SS but I think a small private person one was used and they don’t have the funds to just give a refund like that

>>10618085
Zoe should have been dealt with by the shopping service and no one else other than maybe Paypal or the company she did ecommerce payments through.

>>10618084
Zoe was given the goods, according to most countries there is nothing that can be done unless the other person wants to return it.

>>10618088
That shopping service deserves to be named. I don't want to do business with them. What SS is it?

>>10617643
Isn't it the shopping services job first and foremost to fix this? I get first trying to get the parcel shipped back or shipped to the correct user. But if they make a mistake to send it to the wrong person and can't get it back, they should be the one who gets blamed and either buy the items again and send those or refund. They made the mistake to send expensive goods to the wrong person...

Dunno. If some store would do this it's the stores issue, and the wrong receiver would be in good manner to send it back, but the receiver wouldn't be obligated to. Sure that Hanakami is lacking manners in disappearing, not reacting let alone be willing to return it, and trying to sell it for profit. But she's not obligated to do otherwise? Calling her a thieve feels kinda extreme. She didn't steal, she received a wrong parcel due to the shopping service mistakes. It's not supposed to be her problem to fix that? It's good manner too, but not obligated...

Her friend sob*soba is in this thread again to defend her. She's also the one who is always bidding on her listings to drive up the price when she's doing a 1$ staring bid auction on lm.

I'm actually curious as to why she's friends with this person.

>>10618095
Once again, I'm not saying that Hanakami is doing it good. It's poor manner at the least. And she seems like an annoying person too looking at the screenshots. But I feel calling her a thieve makes it sound like she scammed the shopping service into sending another person's stuff to her or so, while if I read correctly the shopping service screwed up and she simply doesn't help fix the issue for them. I feel like "not fixing another's mistake" and stealing aren't really a fair comparison. Because in the end, the shopping service is responsible, not her... Imagine if she would have denied the parcel and customs would have destroyed it instead of returning, then the same result would have happened. What would the shopping service have done then? Where's the line in having to fix other people's issues you didn't cause nor are originally related to? If such a parcel gets customs, am I support to pay those fees just to send it elsewhere because the shopping service made a mistake? Or else I'm a thieve?

Dunno, it seems a bit odd to me. It sucks for OP, and Hanakami's behaviour is very bad manners. But posting everywhere she's a thieve just seems bad too...

>>10618094
So you’re saying it would be better for her thievery to be private and nobody in the community be warned? Fuck right off. She needed to be exposed for her crime

>>10618097
>But posting everywhere she's a thieve just seems bad too...
How is it bad to warn people that she’s selling things that aren’t hers to sell?

>>10618096
Lol. The sudden influx of posts all trying to deflect blame to the SS aren't subtle.

>>10618095
plus we all know sometimes Shopping Services give gifts or freebies in with orders. If you're making a business off of resending goods then you should be responsible for what addresses receive them.

It looks like the SS wanted to see if they can cheap out on sending costs by "accidently" sending both packages to the one address.

>>10618088
It's honestly better the ss told the buyer, because the buyer probably wants the dresses they've been searching for and picking out far more than the money back, and the public shaming potentially helped her get the dresses back rather than just some money and a missing item. Zoe showed no intention of wanting to return the stuff until the warning post got shared around and seemingly feels like she didn't do much wrong based on her trying to defend herself here and claim anyone would have done what she did.

Imagine if some of the items were rare, DDs, or a great deal? If I was the buyer and I knew a fellow lolita stole my shit that got misdelivered I'd probably want to use the power of public shaming to ensure she returns the items I really wanted and never has a chance to do this to anyone else again by getting her blacklisted. OP has actually been kinda nice.

>>10618097
Also why does the shopping service give out other people's personal details. They should try to get it back themselves and stay in-between, not say "she has it!". If they fail, then why A)would the buyers have more luck, and B)they should just refund or rebut it. You can't just give out info and let others fix your mistake...

But fuck privacy I guess. Just another reason I'm not using commercial shopping services...

>>10618102
Bitch are you really trying to equate selling stolen goods to getting freebies like small stickers or candies from an SS? Fuck off

>>10618098
What SS is this?

>>10618101
And it's obvious when it's her or her friend because they have the same shitty obviously ESL typing styles

>>10618108
Read the thread you stupid bitch

>>10618100
But legally they are tho? She didn't do anything wrong, the SS did. She just refused to fix the SS mistake. Which is bad manners but not something she's obligated to so...

The SS on the other hand is giving away personal data like a freebie to fix their mistake and put the blame on her instead of themselves...

>>10618114
>she didn’t do anything wrong

Fuck off. You cannot be this stupid.

>>10618102
>It looks like the SS wanted to see if they can cheap out on sending costs by "accidently" sending both packages to the one address.

Kek, I want sobisoba and hanikami to get banned from every ss for trying to claim the SS did this obvious thievery on purpose. Someone with more petty energy than me please message every possible personal SS (maybe even companies) work your magic if you please

>>10618101
It literally just came up on top of my FB feed after which I went here because I know everyone disagreeing on FB is just gonna get a witch-hunt. Guess I'm not the only one...

>>10618096
I liked her before I found out that she's engaging in those shady practices and is always defending her crazy friend on every platform.

Maybe she gets some of the money made in those auctions.

>>10618107
Legally, it is the same. They should have refunded. This isn't a sandbox, this is a company that takes a percentage of sales from every purchase and probably has padding. They literally earn money, rent etc through the promise that they are going to send it to your address.

Fuck right off with your charity guilt tripping. The unknown SS is running a business not doing charity work or a non-profit. They should be responsible for refunding, not giving out personal info.

>>10618109
Ghetto nappy haired retard

>>10618114
Did OP ever at any point say she had an issue with the SS giving anachan her address? If not you're just assuming to try to deflect and defend your sick friend/yourself. If the SS is in Asia and OP was in Europe, it makes more sense to just send from anachan to the OP because it is faster and has less chance of getting lost having to be mailed extra times overseas, plus the wasted costs of further travel/shipping, and this way the OP can find out if ana chan really did send back the proper items much faster too.

>>10618117
just drop the name of the SS

>>10618120
Kill yourself racist thief defender

>>10618120
guillotine yourself, frog

>>10618120
>Ghetto nappy haired retard
lol what? that's one of the most desperate insults i've seen on this board

>>10618120
>Ghetto nappy haired retard
What type of insult is that? Are the french girl and her friend racist too? I guess that'd be the least of their problems.

>>10618121
Yeah it's faster and easier for the SS to not undo their fuckup and blame someone else.

>>10618116
No I'm not. It's simply the law in most places of the world. Manners and kindness aren't forced by law. The buyer made a purchase from SS, the SS fucked up, the SS is responsible. It'll be kind and in good manner if Hanakami would just return to, but by no means is she obliged to. Let alone is it ok to give out personal details without consent and call her a thieve over it.

If I buy something on Amazon and they send it to the wrong place, you think Amazon gives me the personal details of the wrong receiver and make me fix it? No, they fucking fix it themselves and if they can't they refund me or resend the items. It's not rocket science. Just because an SS is small doesn't make them above the law...

Even if I'm the buyer, I would be disgusted. Because it means they can make it my issue too next time they made a mistake, and trow my personal details out so I get witch hunted untill I fix THEIR shit... That's just not how it works...

>>10618126
I'm not a frog you retard. Get your edges laid or shut up.

>>10618120
Kek. You know you’re in the wrong when you have to resort to calling people inapplicable random racist insults

>>10618126
don't worry, zoe is just mad because she's balding

>>10618128
exactly.

I wish we knew what SS this was so those of us who don't like this situation could avoid them in the future or delete our accounts with them.

Do we know for sure who the shopping service was? Was it bellshrimp?

>>10618130
They're racebaiting trying to get the entire thread nuked

>>10618122
People already dropped the name of 2 possible ss upthread if you'd just scroll and read, and narrowed it down to which one they thought it was for people who want to avoid it because of the mistake or mixup.

It's fair for others to know who the ss is but it is far from an excuse for the tons of shady behavior coming from the culprit even before this like collusion on fake bidding up listing prices with her friend, pressuring people into selling to her to feed her shopping habits, undisclosed damages on items, harmful ED content on social media, suicide baiting people on sm and in pms relating to sales of items, and now theft.

>>10618132
We actually don't know for sure what SS it is.

>>10618121
It's not about OP, it's about the SS giving out the wrong receivers address without consent. Considering they can't reach her she can't have given consent to that. So they should take their loss and get stronger checks next time instead to prevent this from happening again.

Next time, they may trow out your name and social media accounts and call you a thieve if you won't fix their mistakes for them. Hanakami might be a horrible person and lack manners and kindness, but this one isn't on her. It's on the SS who fucked up.

>>10618134
Or possibly bc PearlieCute was one of the UK comm members sharing it, she's just racist and convinced her malnourished brain that she must be the reason everyone now knows about her behavior lol. Wild speculation but this scenario is wild as it is. The racebaiting won't work though, archives are forever.

>>10618133
>>10618132
>>10618122

Good god, do none of you know how to read or scroll?

>>10618137
It’s both on Zoe and the SS. The SS fucked up to begin with and Zoe is selling stolen goods

>>10618135
Two possible SS isn't what I'm looking for. OOP come back with a time stamp and tell us what the SS you used was. I want to make sure it isn't an SS I am using.

>>10618140
Nobody cares what you want kek.

>>10618138
Lmao ofc PearlieCutie is sharing it, she wants to be the new Tyler SOOO bad

So did anyone contact the police for a wellness check?

>>10618135
>shady behavior coming from the culprit
You mean the SS who can still be made an educated guess upon at best that send the parcel to the wrong person then decided to give out personal info instead of fixing their stuff the proper way?

Hanakami sucks, but this SS started this. Just because Hanakami is a horrible person doesn't make every thing she does her fault and mistake, or her the culprit...

>>10618118
same

>>10618146
She literally is a culprit in this situation though, alongside the SS. We have caps of her with her legal name, Lacemarket profile, and email selling a stolen dress

>>10618148
Yeah so what you're saying is the SS contributed to her getting doxxed by meltycakes?

>>10618147
What group?

>>10618146
If she wants social media recognition than she better be able to be mature and deal with situations like this. If it were some unknown lolita without a social presence it wouldn't be that big of a deal even if they kept the clothes. It's because of who she is. she should expect full backlash if she's not willing to keep up appearances. You can't expect a following without doing your part to maintain it.

>>10618150
It wasn’t meltycakes that doxxed her retard. Seethe more

>>10618150
Zoe didn't get doxed

>>10618139
By law it's not stolen tho. The SS did send the parcel there. It was received as the SS send it. By law, Zoe has a right to keep or sell it. For the SS however can't be said the same.

Unless Zoe purposefully misled the SS or the buyer to get it redirected to her, she didn't do anything wrong beside being unkind, unhelpful, and having bad manners. None of which make you s thieve.

If I send a parcel to some rando in another country, I can't legally in any way force it to come back or consider it "not theirs". That's just not how it works. Since they've got her details they can contact her and try to get it back, but legally, Zoe would be doing them a favour. She's by no means obligated to do so.

Hence Zoe being a horrible person with bad manners, but not the culprit nor the one to blame. The SS is. They fucked up sending, and I'm not 100% sure what country the SS is from, but I expect they also broke privacy laws giving out Zoe's info.

>>10618137
>Next time, they may trow out your name and social media accounts and call you a thieve if you won't fix their mistakes for them.

1. This can only happen to anyone else if they decide to steal something they know is not theirs.
2. If the SS gave OP hanikami's address that feels unnecesary, we don't even know that she did this as there is no proof of this. But considering she keeps suicide baiting so hard, some people were actually worried about her hurting herself and I can see the SS sharing out of concern and wanting someone to call for help or a wellness check as was suggested upthread.
3. Someone else making a mistake does not excuse crime. When a bank accidentally transfers someone money that isn't theirs, the bank doesn't just eat the cost, the mistaken recipient owes that money back and if they don't pay it that is theft and a crime. It's not "fixing someone else's mistakes", it's doing the bare minimum which is not being a criminal. Even if Zoe had just not responded, that would be bad but not the worst; the fact that she TRIED TO SELL stolen goods is completely not relevant to the mix up of the SS and all on her. That goes beyond not wanting to do worl to fix the error and is her actively working to profit from someone else's stuff.

Stop trying to deflect blame. Honestly compared to what people like PM/WF (who was also nuts and had an ED) and any black or SJW adjacent lolita who disagreed with Tyler's video earlier this year, even the more reasonable ones, got just for saying woke stuff online, Zoe is getting off EXTREMELY easy with no one saying rude or mean things, and only just outlining her actual crimes and behavior that fucked people over in real life.

She should just take the L, stay out of lolita until she does better, and get some fucking help. As someone who is also mentally ill, it is no excuse and after a point you need to decide you want to get and do better and not blame everything around you for your actions.

>>10618155
>distributed her legal name
>publicized online username
>gave out address
>showed photos of her
>not literally doxxing

Is it cgl that is psycho or just lolitas in general?

>>10618156
We can tell you keep defending her when you use the same spelling mistake over and over idiot

>>10618143
I mean the UK comm overall was affected (meltycakes is a UK lolita right)? A ton of lolitas shared it because no one wants others to buy stolen shit or from a shady seller. This is likely more out of genuine concern than clout since she has an account she knows other lolitas follow and she wants to be helpful. I can't get through her videos personally but I don't think reposting the story on ig is anywhere near as clout thirsty as the majority of Tyler's career.

>>10618158
Nobody was given her address. Her online username is there for anyone to see. And SHE posted the photos of herself that got shared here on her Instagram. This isn’t doxing.

>>10618156
It depends on the law of the country. In the US? It is a crime, full stop. Can a French lolita with better grammar than Zoe and her bestie--or just someone with the will to Google it--please confirm this?

>>10618143
she's friends with Cordelia lmfao enough said

>>10618162
Watch her videos sometime, preferably on a night you have insomnia because her content is watered down Tyler with a slower pace and less structured content. Pear lie hardcore trying to skinwalk

>>10618164
As someone who lives in the US, I have had things misdelivered to my neighbours because I miswrote my address and was SOL because the address written was the address the package was delivered to.
Tampering with mail is illegal, but not receiving mail addressed to your home lmao

>>10618165
Is cordelia still up to her bs? I thought she dipped out ages ago, what an annoying cunt

>>10618156

See
>>10618157
>>Someone else making a mistake does not excuse crime. When a bank accidentally transfers someone money that isn't theirs, the bank doesn't just eat the cost, the mistaken recipient owes that money back and if they don't pay it that is theft and a crime.
>>the fact that she TRIED TO SELL stolen goods is completely not relevant to the mix up of the SS and all on her.

>>10618163
you really think OP isnt going to post it in her righteous rage? lmfao

>>10618142
Kek I was hoping someone would bring this up. Did anyone save the original video before it got taken down?

>>10618169
>writing your own address wrong
kek retard

>>10618173
No, she isn’t. You’re retarded.

>>10618169
You could probably get cops or lawyers involved. Similar to the bank scenario, you are not always SOL and in many cases the recipient can be cuplable.

>>10618173
OP has been the nicest person here so far besides zoe herself and her one single friend she uses to help her scam people out of more money in auctions on LM.

>>10618157
1. Legally she didn't steal anything. Since the SS send it to her by themselves, she is legally not obligated to fix this for the SS nor for OP.
2. Giving out any non anonymous data, including names, social media accounts, and other contact details from someone who did not agree and is not part of the transaction is in most countries illigal under privacy law.
3. She didn't commit a crime. She received a wrongly send parcel. The SS is not a bank, who have a whole different set of laws. The SS is a seller. By law, it's their issue. They can try to get it back from Hanakami or eat up the cost. But they can't breach privacy laws. Even if Hanakami would have stolen (which she legally hasn't) they can't do that. They can go to the police, while still being responsible for their deal with the buyer. Depending on their terms the buyer agreed too and local laws, that means proceduring the legal route against Hanakami themselves and refund or send the items only after that's done, or refund or resend directly. But you literally can't legally give out personal details until someone lost the legal case, and even then it's not always allowed. So any kind of "this person has it" is very very wrong.

I'm not deflecting blame. OP and the SS are. SS fucked up, then SS broke privacy law. Hanakami is a horrible person, but legally in her right. And legally can sue the SS, but unless it's America or the SS is in the same country as her that's a lot of trouble most won't do.

Hanakami being an overall horrible person who's mentally ill and made countless of other mistakes and maybe even broke laws in other cases doesn't make her automatically wrong here. At worst you can hate her more for bad manners, but she did not commit any crime in this case.

>>10618178
Nah I talked to the cops. they talked to the neighbours, they said nothing could be done.

I lived in a low income neighborhood so people tend to act that way.

>>10618175
Nayrt but this is not really the thread for it. Just check the archives or lolcow if you want to read about old milk. What's more relevant is all the secondhand sales problems ana-chan has caused.

>>10618167
she also cannot coord for shit.

>>10618180
You keep repeating this like if you say it enough times it’ll change the situation but it won’t. Zoe is a thief

>>10618169
This
>>10618178
Cops won't do anything. As long as sender wrote that address down themselves without being forced or having a third party do some kind of man in the middle attack, receiving a wrong parcel doesn't break any law, nor does it give you legal obligations.
>Similar to the bank scenario
Banks aren't stores. They've got very different laws. If Amazon sends your order to the wrong address, it's also their issue not the buyers nor the wrong receivers. Receiving parcels aimed at you, wrongfully or intended, is literally not illigal.

>>10618180
this. she has acted in a shady and downright shitty way towards OP...but she isn't a thief in the eyes of the law. The SS should have refunded OP and not breached data laws.

I would just like to say that this has been some of the most delicious milk in a long fucking time.

>>10618180
It depends on the country as far as the law and no one has confirmed from any source what French law is. And how do we know the SS didn't have it in her terms of sale that any misdelivered packages need to be returned to them or the rightful owner? I can see a SS putting that in their paypal terms. Even if she didn't "technically break the law" with recieving the item and not returning it, turning around and actively selling it could prove different because of the shady way it was obtained from the start, and even then if that wasn't a crime, the community at large still sees it as theft and gross behavior and wants to warn people not to support someone we morally disagree with.

Just like in some states in the USA, fucking or marrying a 16 year old teenager is legal for adults to do, but most people still find it gross and morally repugnant behavior that deserves to be shamed, as we do with what we have perceived as theft, even if there is a loophole for her.

Tbh she should have kept the items at this point since no one is going to forgive, trust, buy, sell, or operate as SS for her ever again. Her reputation is trash unless she recovers from her ED and other mental illnesses, then people might trust she is mentally better and she will physically look different enough that some people might perceive that as her having changed internally too.

>>10618165
what did cordelia do?

>>10618191
right? I haven't seen milk this good in awhile

>>10618191
Alexa play despacito

>>10618185
You're just too blinded by her being a shitty person to understand laws. The only one who broke them is the SS. Zoe sucks, but like it or not she didn't commit a crime. Unfair as it is, she's legally not a thieve. Not that the witch hunters care for law. Rather use their shouting which can ruin people's lives no matter if the person is actually guilty of something if they don't get what they want.

I just hope you're the next one who gets caught doing something people don't like/agree with so you'll get witch hunted all over the internet while they're telling everyone you're a criminal.

>>10618180
Technically OP has not deflected any blame. She never said it was all Zoe's fault, only truthfully warned us of her "legal" but shitty behavior. The SS has also not placed blame as far as we know, simply tried to recover the items Zoe DID keep KNOWING it was not actually intended for her. Crime or not, no one is deflecting blame, everyone admits SS made a mistake and don't want to use them, AND that Zoe also did a horrible thing among other horrible things she has been doing for months if not years.

>>10618202
>I just hope you're the next one who gets caught doing something people don't like/agree with so you'll get witch hunted all over the internet while they're telling everyone you're a criminal.

Such a Karen, acting like only official legal criminals can be bad people. Newsflash: no one else who is upset at you about this is dumb or selfish enough to do what you did and it will never happen to us because we are the bare minimum of decent people. You are not a criminal but you are mentally ill and forcing all the negative effects of your issues on others, a bully who suicide baits people into selling to you, a scammer for using your friend to bid your listings higher for more cash, and also thanks to this thread we know you're racist too lol.

>>10618194
Any European can confirm since the laws involved here are European laws, not country wide. This includes both the privacy and online shopping ones. So yes, I can confirm that if she's French, this counts for her.

Even if the SS has it in their terms, they have to handle it internally and if they can't with Hanakami, they need to go to the police. They still breached privacy laws.

As I said, Hanakami is having horrible manners and is being a shitty person. But there is a difference between that and being a thieve. If the issue is being shitty like that, just say that, explain it, and people can decide for themselves what they think and if they would want to buy or not. But don't call people things they aren't. I'm not saying Hanakami isn't socially wrong, just that she isn't legally. Shouting she's a criminal and a thieve is simply not true. Of she's horrible, at least call it the correct kind of horrible so people know in honestly what they're dealing with and aren't misled.

>>10618208
Stop sperging this over and over holy shit. Your repeated spelling mistake makes it so obvious you’re sitting here constantly whiteknighting her

>>10618208
>European laws
European countries have different laws you idiot

>>10618208
Why do the people defending her all type exactly the same and make the same spelling or grammar errors repeatedly?

We can totally drop the thief thing, which people have already said regardless of law she is awful. It isn't misleading for people to use thief as a shorthand for someone who knowingly took something and tried to sell it when it was not theirs, even if she technically didn't commit a crime.

>>10618205
>acting like only official legal criminals can be bad people.
I said many times she's a horrible person kek. But I also say only criminals are criminals... And that being a horrible person doesn't make you a criminal nor a thieve, just a horrible person.

But sure, let's forget all the times a person got cancelled over something they turned out to be innocent off. Very impossible to happen to anyone who's not doing stuff wrong first. Haven't followed the case of Johnny Depp for a nice showdown of that shit?

>>10618138
any screenshots of PearlieCutie sharing it?

>>10618219
There literally of screenshots and you can go to her Lm history to see her selling the dress that isn’t hers

>>10618215
Many laws are set by EU and are EU-wide. Many others are set by countries and are country wide.
The laws related to this shit are EU-wide ones, don't call people an idiot if you don't even know this.

>>10618215
Even if they are 100% correct about the law, thief doesn't need to be exclusive to people who are legally able to be punished for taking stuff from people. The same way we call scammers crooks even if gullible people gave up their money willingly, we can call her a thief based on the general definition as was pointed out here >>10618216

Plus she is also a scammer with sobisoba helping her bid up listings which has been talked about on cgl today and a few other times over the last year or more. And while suicide-bait messages talking about how she'll die if no one sells her her favorite AP items aren't exactly legally blackmail, we all know it's wrong and gross and conceptually similar.

>>10618220
Just use instagram. I'm sure hers is public.

God, all these people desperate for milk but wanting to be spoonfed publicly available information that can be found in 2 seconds.

>>10618208
Why are you so determined to die on this hill? And why do you keep pushing the narrative that the SS gave out Zoe’s personal info? Meltycakes’ original screenshot implies she had Zoe’s instagram handle at most. Much doxxing, such privacy breach

>>10618216
>It isn't misleading to call a person that didn't commit a crime criminal
>Or to call someone who didn't steal a thieve.
Yes, yes it is. We all agree she's shitty. No one doubted that anywhere, not even I. But if someone did not commit a crime, you shouldn't use a word that literally means they commited said crime.

>>10618219
kek, imagine chalking up getting called out over thievery to just being cancel culture. being a horrible person does make you a thief when you took something you know was not yours and ran away and tried to sell it when people wanted it back. thieves are not just thieves because they go to jail or can be prosecuted. they're thieves because they took stuff that didn't belong to them which...surprise surprise, is exactly what happened.

>>10618225
If she's a scammer say that, sure. Say all the things she did do. List them, warn people. if she did break laws, call that out too. But the one time her worst "crime" is being a shitty human being, she's just that. A shitty human being. It's not like she needs to be made worse to sound like a bad person.

You need to do thievery to be a thieve... It's kinda in the name...

>>10618228
>Or to call someone who didn't steal a thieve
Not committing a criminal offense does not mean someone didn't steal something. Usakumya didn't commit a crime when she stole my heart but she still did it.

>>10618233
She stole something. So she gets called a thief. It’s applicable

>>10618230
Thieves are thieves for commit thievery, which she didn't do. She received a parcel that was addressed to her, which isn't illigal. She did not took it, she just received it. She's just shitty and a horrible person.

>>10618233
>You need to do thievery to be a thieve... It's kinda in the name...

>took someone else's stuff
>blocked everyone involved and refused to send it back
>threatened to commit sudoku bc people called her out
>she didn't steal anything TECHNICALLY she is just a rude person stop calling her a thief :')!!!!1

>>10618239
>She's just shitty and a horrible person.

and a thief kek

>>10618236
No, she received something sended TO HER. No matter if on purpose or not, it was sended to her. It's not the receivers job to make people only send them package intentionally or to fix other people's mistake. That's the thing.

>>10618095
>>10618097
>>10618102
>>10618120
>>10618156
>>10618180
Honest question, are you a psychopath?

Your posts are devoid of all empathy. I guess we should all give up having any human decency and stop caring about other people. I guess when I find your wallet on the street, I should keep all the cash inside and then throw it in a dumpster. You make the world a worse place to be in. Congratulations.

It takes more effort for her to take pictures, LIST, SELL AND SHIP a dress than to simply RETURN IT. It was 100% malicious, whereas the SS was being negligent. Bellshrimp is getting knocked hard for this too, but there is absolutely no fucking excuse for Z**o**ki to delete her social media, purposefully ignore messages, and then try to PROFIT off of someone else's items/mistakes. Absolutely fucking disgusting.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

>>10618233
A scammer is not a thief. A scammer is a scammer. Zoe tried to keep and sell something that does not belong to her, even if it got shipped to her by accident and is a thief for not sending the items back.

>>10618248
Bellshrimp should have refunded instead of sending two packages to the same location.

>>10618240
>Received a parcel addressed to her.
>Didn't fix another person's mistake when they told her they made a mistake.
She didn't took. She received. It shouldn't have been given to her...

>>10618247
I don’t know if you’re retarded, severely autistic, or an actual sociopath or what, but you have a very warped understanding on morals

>>10618248
I mean nobody seems to have any empathy for Zoe but go off I guess.

>>10618233
If someone accidentally forgets something at your place and you refuse to give it back, then you are also a thief.

>>10618252
She also tried to sell after being contacted multiple times by the SS asking her to send the package back and that it wasn’t hers, so......

>>10618248
you're talking to several different people here, Pear Lie.

All of you arguing law like thief is a legal term, wtf. Maybe legally she's allowed to keep the item, but ethically she's a fucking thief.

>>10618254
Because she’s a scammer, sells people items with undisclosed damages, preys on people’s empathy to get them to sell to her, sells items that aren’t actually hers, and suicide baits when she doesn’t get what she wants.

She doesn’t deserve empathy at this point.

>>10618253
>morals
you mean the morals involved in not double checking that TWO different orders aren't being sent to the same address?
Morals involved in publishing a stranger's address online?

>>10618263
>Morals involved in publishing a stranger's address online?
This never fucking happened though oh my god

>>10618226
I can't find it on her insta.

the dress in question is ugly as shit, so she honestly did OP a favor lmao

>>10618263
Why do people keep saying her address was published online? That literally never even happened

>>10618261
Good, you agree no one actually cares for facts because she's a shitty person so we just want to hate her. Exactly what I'm saying.

>>10618258
Kek, Zoe really does think this is all Pearlie Cute; can't believe my headcanon of her deranged mental state was actually accurate. Racist, thief, scammer, and awful grammar, too.

The only thing Zoe probably hates more than being called a thief and a criminal is probably being called fat.

>>10618265
why do you expect this to be spoonfed, it's available. I'm not publishing the sauce on here I don't want a ban

yall really trying to talk about morals while posting on 4chan? this site is morally bankrupt so let's not play around gulls.

>>10618269
It isn't people, it's literally just Hanikami_bear/Zoeosaki and maybe her friend sobisoba saying it herself to try to gain pity points.

>>10618268
Don't derail the thread, dipshit. It's already a mess enough as it is with some idiot trying to take the blame off of Zoe.

>>10618272
I’ve looked on the farms, the archives here, and the Instagram stories of people talking about it and there’s literally no trace of people posting her address. You are retarded and making shit up

>>10618270
You are missing the point entirely.

>>10618272
Post it on the farms then or it didn't happen

>>10618251
I'm sure Bellshrimp immediately refunded the order to stay on good terms with an actual good buyer. But Z** is not absolved of guilt for being a fucking terrible person who made the situation a million times worse. This isn't Amazon where there's thousands of replacements just waiting in a warehouse. Of course the items should be sent back go the real owner. Or would you also trade your dignity for a chocolate princess dress? You are a shell of a person.

>>10618254
Please educate me. Exactly what does she deserve empathy for?

>>10618274
i'd agree but this isn't moralfagging, this is just telling someone we think they suck for stealing and telling others 'hey she stole some shit' so they know not to buy bc as fucked up as cgl can be nothing we have said here is any near the worst or a lie, and we are a community after all, albeit a messed up one sometimes, so people want to protect each other a little bit even if everyone is constantly at each other's throats.

>>10617699
Jesus

>>10618278
nah I remember what happened to non consensual pronouns last week

>>10618251
OP never said whether or not Bellshrimp did refund, she may have done so just in case but still wanted to try to recover the items, and:
>sending two packages to the same location
Ok so Zoe stole twice/knew she got two wrong packages and instead of notifying the SS kept them and was probably waiting for more to come in so she could just keep it all.

>>10618279
so Bellshrimp immediately refunded but Zoe still needs to give back a refunded dress after having her personal info posted?

>>10618279
>I'm sure Bellshrimp immediately refunded the order to stay on good terms with an actual good buyer
Well considering that the buyer has the info on who has their stuff it seems like Bellshrimp just tries to not pay out and own up for their mistake with more than an easily written "sorry". Seems like when they couldn't have Zoe send it to the buyer they just gave the buyer the info who has her package and said "go get it from her please".

>>10618284
So it didn’t happen. Got it.

>>10617792
Is this the bitch who wears brand, but still looks ita af? The white chick with the limp af hair?

>>10617944
loool have you ever used 4chan before

>>10618287
no one did that though

>>10617825
I hope this is a troll, otherwise congrats on being the new cgl clown we joke about years from now

>>10618287
Her address was not posted. Stop lying.
Stop trying to make other people look bad.

*If* the refund was given by Bellshrimp, it would be temporary, JUST so that the real owner wouldn't make a PayPal claim. It would be temporary so that they could work on getting the items back and not have the OP stress out about money AND items.

You act like people could just run over someone's dog and then pay them $5k and everything is ~magically forgiven~

People have FEELINGS and usually a CONSCIENCE. But you're a psychopath. So you can never understand that, can you?

>>10617944
She has herself to thank for it. This isn't some baseless bullying, you do realise this is the consequence of her own actions, right?

>>10618281
>we are a community after all
We are just people with a shared interesses in a specific fashion. That's it. it's not so deep.

Outside of laws, no one is obligated to follow your standards in what's morally ok and not.

I think expecting others to fix your issue that you created and are legally responsible for is bad morals. And I think spreading all over the internet that people, no matter how shitty, commited crimes they did not because you feel it's just as bad, no matter what law says, is bad morals. And I think breaking privacy laws in hope others fix the problem for you is bad morals. But I guess that makes me a psychopath...

>>10618065
Anon, would you buy from a seller knowing they pull shit like this? Or better yet, would you like to know if you're buying from a trustworthy person before hitting 'buy now'? Of course you fucking do, that's why there's a feedback system in place

>>10618289
Bellshrimp probably did refund or would have after knowing Zoe refused to return the stuff, (OP has not confirmed if Bellshrimp offered a refund or if they wanted to try to get the stuff back first) but I think literally every lolita who buys pieces they actually really like and want would much rather have their items than just the money back, so it's not crazy to try to do everything to get it back and warn others that she sucks.

Even if she didn't know it was Zoe and just knew it was mistakenly sent to another customer (therefore a lolita), she could have even ended up putting two and two together herself eventually with Zoe trying to sell the items and the buyer able to know damages or other details were identical to the ones she asked her SS to buy.

Outing Zoe as the one who accepted the stolen packages helps the community at large and helps the buyer get what they want more than their money back (obvs because they parted with their money for the items in the first place): their lolita pieces.

>>10618304
Warning people about a shitty person doing shitty things isn’t bad. Only a shitty person worried about the shitty things they’ve done getting exposed would think it’s bad

>>10618291
>>10618291
>>10618291


New thread

>>10618304
>Outside of laws, no one is obligated to follow your standards in what's morally ok and not.
Okay but... the human race literally would not exist if we couldn't agree on general morals. We could go around murdering everyone with no repercussions because "lol our morals aren't the same"?!

Let's all agree that lying/stealing is bad, okay?

>>10618314
why make another thread about the same thing

>>10618318
Newfag

>>10618309
My issue is the way the SS has been acting and how most people seem to ignore that/let that go in their judgement, the actual claims made that are factually wrong but people themselves decide it's the same, and how Zoe's many other issues are reason to apperantly not care for facts. Not the fact people are calling Zoe out in general. I'm all for warning people, but do so with the neutral facts, not your opinion and feelings as fact. Now it's just a shit show.

>>10618321
Everybody is saying both the SS and Zoe are in the wrong though you fucking retard

you need to stop with the witch hunting now ffs

>>10618263
Good lord. Double checking addresses is not based on morals. It’s a technical error. A mistake. A mistake the SS was trying to fix by contacting Zoe to see if a REASONABLE person would help and send the items back.

Zoe is completely lack of morals. She intentionally kept, blocked, listed and try to sell off items that were NOT hers. Regardless if they were shipped to her by accident. That is malicious and proves lack of morals among many other troubling behaviors mentioned. You keep saying she didn’t do anything illegal but “bad manners” as if that was excusable. Sorry hon, in this community it is not no matter how hard you try to correct anons from calling her a thief. She was not doxxed. We do not know her address. She would’ve gotten away with it had she not been put on blast. Sure you think giving out details of who had gotten the package was “illegal” but I’m glad to be warned to never buy from her. Mods in communities should be warned too to prevent this from happening again.

>>10618325
This isn’t a witch hunt. There’s proof she did it

>>10618315
Yes. But morals differ in each country and (sub)cultures. The lolita fashion comm is that. A fashion comm. Not an activist group, or a anything else fighting for what's right and wrong in legal cases like this. Yet it's really hard for people to inform them of facts without pushing your opinion as the only correct view. Yet when stating facts, all you get is "you're a psychopath". Opinion on legal cases have nothing to do with fashion and doesn't belong in the "moral standards" of a fashion comm.

>>10618331
What cultures don’t vilify stealing?

>>10618323
Maybe try to not stop reading after a few words just to shout retard.

>>10618328
spamming her listings is unnecessary and bordering on harassment, its embarrassing and makes you look obsessive.

>>10618337
Nobody is spamming? Do you even know what spamming means? Not to mention there’s multiple accounts reprimanding her it’s not just one person “obsessed” like you want to believe

>>10618334
The ones that can read the fucking law and don't call thievery when they're mad at someone's horrible personality because they personally feel "it's just as bad" because they know fact from opinion. And that instead learned to take responsibility for their own mistakes instead of breaking privacy laws to put the blame on others.

>>10618331
Ok we get it. YOU personally think it’s fine for Zoe to sell items that were not hers to begin with. Sure morals are different in different countries but literally everyone on this board, IG, and FB are not ok with it. So who here is not understanding what morals are? If not morals how about some common decency?

>>10618342
There are also multiple people saying people are crossing a border or are addressing the issue wrongly but you like to believe they're all psychopaths or Zoe & friends.

>>10618346
There would be no blame had she just RETURNED WHAT WAS NOT HERS.

>>10618358
Nothing has been returned yet

>>10618351
>literally everyone on this board
After you decided everyone disagreeing is Zoe & friends.
>IG, and FB
You really think anyone who disagree would post that there unless they are retarded?

>>10618363
So it’s ok for Zoe/sobisoba to make racist comments but don’t Buwwie poor Zoe for being a fucking nut job

>>10618368
this is literally the girl whose dress she 'stole' asking you to shut the fuck up

>>10618368
To be fair, meltycakes is the affected individual here, she had her items stolen and probably wants to be extra nice and careful so she doesn't get blamed for any negative attention Zoe is getting.

I don't think people have made fun of Zoe for her appearance off anon at all though, simply called out her behavior and yeah we're using "ableist" mental health terms like deranged but enough gulls here are medicated and/or also mentally ill that we know the hate isn't because of her illness, it's her using the illness as an excuse for her awful behavior and to seem sympathetic and frail and less responsible for her actions. Untreated BPD type shit.

>>10618334
Reclaiming or repatriation to some wheats is theft....

>>10618369
she's only doing so so hanikami doesn't try to get her into any public trouble or call her a bully though

>>10618372
Woah. Bpd is not indicative of someone's worth ableism-chan. I bet you were the one using racist remarks earlier

Just a tip: it might be better to post in the new thread. I have a sneaking suspicion Zoe is trying to avoid posting there in the hopes this scenario will get buried so she can have less attention drawn to her by the minority of people who don't already know how awful her behavior is.

>>10618379
i kek'd anon

>>10618369
I don’t care

>>10618331
>Yet when stating facts, all you get is "you're a psychopath"
I'm calling you a psychopath because you don't seem to have a conscience or empathy/sympathy. "Facts" have nothing to do with it. You don't understand the basics of human feeling.

>>10618358
There would so not be blame if the SS didn't fuck up either. Nor we she have to fix someone else's issue because they apperantly rather start a witch hunt than own up to their mistake and fix it themselves. And that seems very popular nowadays. "I fucked up, but you people who are didn't ask to be involved now are because I think you're obligated to fix my mistake for me. And you're horrible if you don't. Muuhhh you lack empathy for not fixing my mess and telling me to do it myself".

I don't doubt there is blame but I do t think it should nearly be this big to Zoe for this specific case. Having to do stuff only not to get randos on the internet witch hunt you shouldn't even be a thing if you ask me. If you're wrong, solve it the legal routes. And if you fuck up, you fix it. Don't rely on others who did not involve themselve into it. If you can't afford a fuck up, be secure. It's hard but it's life for anyone who doesn't get by by crying on social media instead of solving it like an adult the proper way. And if you want to warn people, only use facts and let people decide for themselves, instead of using your vision on right and wrong.

I think relying on others goodness and else giving out private data and starting this shit because so don't have to fix you're mistakes is the most blame worthy thing here. If you run your SS, which is a company, profesionally, this shit shouldn't even have happened. OP would have a refund or new items, and Zoe got lucky on this one. No drama. But SS can't be professional and broke laws and started a shit show instead of fixing their own shot the way they're supposed to. So yes, I blame then 100% in this one for this shit. I blame Zoe for being a shitty person with horrible personality, a scammer who doesn't disclose damages, and a manipulative shithead that abuses her mentall illness. But not for this shit. It wasn't supposed to ever be her problem anyways, and all she did is not fix the SS mistake for them.

>>10618390
Ableist.

>>10618392
nice blog post

>>10618394
kys

>>10618390
Opinions =/= human feelings
Thinking people should state facts so people can form their own opinion instead of shoving my opinion onto their throats as the only valid opinion to have isn't lack of conscience.

I can conscience just fine. Just like I'm cable of feeling empathy. Right now, I actually feel for Zoe because she didn't ask to get involved but has to fix the SS mistakes or gets the blame while the SS gets their mistakes fixed by randos and likely no issues with breaking privacy laws because Zoe is getting the consequences of this shit show they caused. Zoe may be a horrible person who has a lot to be blamed for, but this one is simply not on her. But I guess conscience is only important for people you like. No need for credit and blame to actually be where due. Easier to cry online and blame one generally universally considered shithead. But because I disagree with that and thing the actual factually guilty should get the guild, I'm the psychopath. Ok. Than a psychopath I am. Rather that than an idiot crying on social media to get my way and let others fix my problems for me while lacking any care for those who are stuck with fixing my mistakes. With bonus points if we can point it at someone we already hate.

>>10618410
Your willingness to die on this hill is impressive

>>10618410
>I actually feel for Zoe because she didn't ask to get involved
She got involved when she opened the package. In general, when you aren't expecting a package, you shouldn't even fucking open it.

Want to state facts?
>Z** deletes instagram
>tried to sell a dress for profit she didn't pay for

No one is asking anyone to fix someone else's mistake and take all the blame. Z** was asked kindly for basic human decency. Again, I guess we should just let a child fall into the train tracks because it was the mother's mistake letting them play too close. Let's throw our hands into the air because we can't help each other. It's too much trouble. Every man for himself!

>>10618410
>she didn't ask to get involved
She listed a dress for sale from a package that wasn't hers
All your babble aside, it's was completely braindead of her to assume the person who owned the dress would just sit there and take it as her item is being publicly sold in front of everyone

>>10618148
We dont have caps of her legal name lmfao

>>10618094
>according to most countries there is nothing that can be done
It's only relevant if you're talking about Japan or France.

>>10618169
>As someone who lives in the US
>neighbours
Way to fucking out yourself, eurofag. That's not what would happen if your name was on the package.

>>10618287
Stop lying, no one posted her address

>>10618334
China

>>10618325
Way to out yourself

Who are these freaks who don't mind have their things taken, being blocked and running away after being asked nicely more than once to return them like any sane person and then seeing your closet being sold off on the same day? kek

>new thread deleted
Man, someone's trying really hard to push this under the rug.

>>10618674
kek, thanks for pointing that out anon, i forgot euros add an extra u

>>10618891
kek I was just about to ask where the other thread went
why not delete both threads though instead of keeping the one that started it all

>>10618893
probably bc this thread is basically dead since it's past post limit. archives live forever though, she is never going to escape this. i'm shocked to see that fb groups haven't been discussing her yet; i guess cause she is in all of them

>>10618095
Legally hanikami is in the green probably to keep the package, it'd be hard to get it back or press charges internationally. But morally and from a community standpoint, she should burn.

You're all so laughable.

You ask her to leave the community because she is behaving negatively? Have you ever read your shitty conversation?

Your behavior and your pseudo stupid scans are so much worse than what she did.

Seeing how cruel and idiotic human beings you can be makes me ashamed to be part of this community.

But keep going, you're doing a great job. Maybe one day you will have a pretty interesting life yourself to stop being evil and stupid.

And read all your posts and your miracle solutions against anorexia, or your explanations about the laws... Waw Genius.

Thanks to you, the world is turning better. Good job

>>10618158
You do realise that those who had her address probably have it because they sold goods to her and no one actually doxxed her. So I’m guess the who call the police to get a welfare check done wasn’t done via that but requested for a french lolita who would know her name and address to do since she is talking about suicide.
SS never exposed her address and probably only told other lolita the ig username to try and contact since she was either ignoring the messages completely.

I never talked about suicide, or at least I never said I would kill myself since I don’t see suicide as a solution. I think I get why someone mentioned this topic; I indeed had awkward discussion about an auction with «shynesd bear ring» and I told to the seller I felt extremely upset/sad she listed it without notifying me first. So yeah, it was selfish from me but I NEVER mentioned something that awful as «I wanna kill myself if you don’t sell to me»...
I was a bit childish and frustrated but never told anything you mentioned here.