/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10532631
Continuing on from last thread, do people think the lamellar in pic related is a good deal for 500 euros odd? Seems very well made, but as I normally try armour in person so I can check quality and fit I just want to make sure I'm not overpaying.

>>10532707
seems reasonable from pic, but a pic can lie, so it's a hard maybe

How does one do samurai/ronin/weaboo shit garb and gear without being accused of cultural appropriation?

>>10532866
Living in a civilized country

>>10532866
by ignoring the idiots who whine

>>10532866
try not talking to retards

>>10532707
Helgy had a good deal on http://truehistoryshop.com/product-category/armour/cuirass/
Their facebook say they have a 10% promotion, and will then rise their price.

>>10532707
I can vouch for the quality of Early Medieval their helmets. They're some of the best bang for buck, esp since he's in the Eurozone IIRC. Not a clue about his lamellar, but Helgi does 'em cheaper and got some awesome quality and choices.

Yo hlf (or anyone else for that matter), can you point me towards a good landsknecht guide/sewing patterns?

>>10532866
No one is going to accuse you of cultural appropriation.

They will call you a fucking weeb though.

>>10533700
do you speak german? Is it for larp or for historical accuracy?

>>10534065
Yes and larp, though I wouldn't mind keeping it historically accurate.

>>10534071
https://www.landsknechtlager dot_info /w/index.php
this is a good start for larp things, but obviously every LK outfit is a bit different

https://www.um1504.de/
more precise sit with lots of resorces, this one is on the historical side.

I also have most of the LK relevant parts of reconstructing history pdfs but those are sometimes questionable and the patterns needs to be modified nearly always

>>10534077
Thanks mate, got some reading to do

>>10534133
if you need more help just ask, these things are always trickier than they seem

>>10533703
Just the man I was looking for! I know they are not perfect but if had to chose between Townsend’s and Samson’s for breeches who would you pick?

>>10534229
Townsend for shirts, Samson for outerwear, but generally they are about the same. You’ll still have to tailor a few things on the breeches either way.

Samson Historical is kind of fucky politically and historically though, if that affects your opinion. Really hardcore about their opinions about the “Irish Slaves” myth, for example.

>>10534304
>Really hardcore about their opinions about the “Irish Slaves” myth, for example.
JFC why can’t history companies just keep their autism out of their business

Does anyone know when this sort of armor came into fashion? I'm also interested in landsknecht fashion and stuff but I'd like to build up to getting a full harness like this. From what I've seen the square toes mark it out as being from the first half of the 16th century but I don't know enough to say for sure. Any advice?

>>10534952
it's called black and white armor, and it's from the middle 16th century to... well I think you can find a few examples of it in very early 17th century but it's mostly a second half of 16th century thing.

As for building up a full harness like that, good luck, it will cost you a shitton of money.

Anyway, what do you want to know about landsknecht stuff?

>>10535060
I mainly want to know about when pluderhosen come into fashion and whether you wear them with pointed shoes or squared off shoes. Is black and white armor mainly worn with pluderhosen or can I still wear it with the regular form fitting hose?

>>10535100
pluderhosen is mid 16th century too, roughly but as always there are variations, transitional stuff, grey area, etc.
If you want to be a landsknecht then no pointed shoes (except if you are officer and has a horse or something, then you can get away with boots that might be pointed)

As for armor and cloths: you can wear with black and white armor with anything that existed in the given timeframe. If you want ot be really fart slice-y about it then you have to look up the excat type of black and white armor (as with always there are variations that might be earlier or later, like an armor from 1550 might differ greatly from something that is made in 1590) and see what kind of cloths existed around that time, for the people with the status that might wear an armor like that.
But I can say that the fitting hose existed with great variations (sometimes with a secondary layer that was way more slashed) for most part of the 16th century.

The only problem is that for the second half of the 16th century Landsknechts are in a decline. Some go as far as saying landsknechts don't exists after 1550-60 but if you want to really stretch it something that you might call landsknecht existed up until the early 17th century

>>10535105
So if I wanted to be more authentically landsknecht I should rather get unpainted/blackened armor? What do you call the armor that came before black and white? Also do you have any examples of more of a full harness. I want to start off as a landsknecht with a breastplate, tassets, gorget, and burgeonet but I'd like the option to keep adding bits over time until I can wear a full harness if I feel like it. IT's a shame pluderhosen are later on but I think hose can look cool too. Are there any square toed boots? I get that they weren't common but it would be nice to have the choice of boots when LARPing

>>10535105
Also, just remembered, can you recommend any good books about landsknechts in english?

>>10535114
>So if I wanted to be more authentically landsknecht I should rather get unpainted/blackened armor?
entirely depends on what decade you want to choose.

>What do you call the armor that came before black and white?
which one? I mean the early 16th century is pretty much a transitional period, both on warfare and on equipment too. But Maximilian armours come before it, but so are various other stuff, sometimes only each part has a name, not the whole "set".

>Also do you have any examples of more of a full harness. I want to start off as a landsknecht with a breastplate, tassets, gorget, and burgeonet but I'd like the option to keep adding bits over time until I can wear a full harness if I feel like it.
Landsknecht in a full harness is VERY rare, I doesn't even remember a single pic like that from the top of my head but probably there are one or to woodcuts or something (though most probably those are either officiers, so sometimes questionable if you should call them LK or not, or just an ideologized stuff)

three quarters is the most they got protection wise, but halfplate was already considered heavily armoured. This has a bit to do with the changing of warfare, and the need of the pike block to be still mobile, both on tactical and on strategical level. (another reason is growing numbers in the army but thats another separate discussion)

>IT's a shame pluderhosen are later on but I think hose can look cool too.
there are always earlier variants, and with everything the line can be blurry sometimes. I mean even in the mair codexes (that are 1540) you can see some kinda pluderhosen stuff and that's already the civilian fashion, so there are precursors even before that

>Are there any square toed boots?
not that I'm aware of. The cow mouth / bear paw shoes are not really a boot type but there might be one or two extreme exceptions. But as long as you just larp, nobody gives a shit.

>>10535115
as for good books on landsknechts in english... Well if you want the history of them I can't really recommend any in good faith. There are two osprey books that are kinda okay is but they are really just the basics and some content are kinda questionable in them as with every osprey book. But they are a good stepping stones.

What I can recommend is "Landsknechts on Campaign" from Marion McNealy, but it's mostly just high res pics of woodcuts with a little story here and there. Otherwise you have to look up a shitton of other books and articles and piece together the infos (or learn german)

That said there might be some good books out there about the LKs that I haven't read yet, I didn't read all of them after all and I'm not omniscient

>>10535120
Thanks for all the advice! I'll try find that mcnealy book and see about osprey. Sadly I'm shit at languages but I guess I can give German a look on Duolingo and see how I go.

also on the note of black and white armor

>>10534304
Hi there!

Casey Samson from Samson Historical. I wanted to drop in and squash this. We have never made a political statement in regards to "Irish Slaves". I agree with you that it is nothing more than a myth.
Historically, were there indentured servitudes that used the Irish? Sure.

Is it even remotely close to the horror and deplorable acts committed against Africans and People of Color, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

I am not sure where you got that we are "hardcore about" our opinions on the Irish Slaves.

For the record, Samson Historical believes in facts and historical accuracy. That includes wholeheartedly believing assimilating "Irish Slaves" with African Slaves is ignorant and false.

Casey Samson
Samson Historical
casey@samsonhistorical.com
3177064961

>>10535163
I doubt this is real, but Samson has a reputation for defending shitty political opinions on their Facebook.

Unlike clownfag I think your pants are overpriced shite. Now fuck off shill. This is a Townsends board.

I assure you this is the real Samson Historical. Above is my direct line if you'd like to verify.

Would you mind providing examples of defending political opinions? I have searched our Facebook page and group as well as spoke with our marketing manager and not sure what you are referring to.

>>10535176
>Samson has a reputation for defending shitty political opinions on their Facebook.


Examples?

>>10535163
The whole saga of the Samson historical facebook page refusing to shut down, and even banning folks for complaining against Irish slavery rhetoric has been around for a while in the 18thC community. IIRC, the official statement when people complained was that “Samson Historical refuses to silence historic opinion”. Go figure that history hobbies have a long memory. And for the record no one here once mentioned PoC/enslaved africans, or racism so... That seems a little suspect and defensive.

Honestly, I am in absolute doubt that any company worth its salt would post on 4chan of all places, but y’know, not everyone can be as cool as Jon.

>>10535176
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Oh boy, I love the drama

>>10535318
HAHAHA, OH WOW.

This is going to be interesting.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they are hurriedly combing through their facebook page deleting everything they can.

>>10535163
>>10535189
>>10535193
>>10535318
>>10535324

I don’t run my own business or anything, but this seems like a very stupid plan of action, Sammy. You dun goofed.

>>10535163
Eat and digest my entire ass. The whole revwar scene knows that Samson’s defends racist farb bullshit under the claim of being neutral and all opinions.

The fact that you have somebody looking online for this hella sus and reeks of damage control and shilling in the current social climate if not tolerating it anymore. At this point your only hope is to release a self involved public statement against racism and trump to try to gain some SJW asspats for being a woke company.

Giving us a 50% off coupon code would help too.

>>10535318
>>10535324
I’m guessing they found examples?

>>10535550
well, for example this Casey guy posts on 4chan which is well known for being a gathering ground for ever kind of racists
it's at least a little bit suspicious

>>10535548
>Eat and digest my entire ass
This dumpster fire of a tread aside, is this phrase from somewhere? I have heard and read it like, a dozen times this week alone.

>>10535550
Probably.

>>10535559
I heard that their reputation has reached as far as Hungary.

>>10535122
Protip:
Duolingo is kind of shit. All of the apps are of iffy utility overall, but i'm "studying" french, with a mix of apps and actual lessons.

Duo is teaching me wrong. Specifically, it doesn't directly explain grammar rules very often, (if ever) even when they're simple and easily explained, and it is trying to teach me to speak in an informal manner befitting a five year old. Duo german may be better than duo french, but I doubt it. It's a practice/vocab tool/fun little game, not a great way to learn on it's own. At best, 40 hours of it will get you to a point where you can converse on par with a small child, and then you stagnate.

Babel is better- more adult-, rocket is compartiviely expensive but vastly better than either, and ACTUAL LESSONS are fucking tits. Italki is also a thing worth looking into. one on one zoom tutoring, anywhere form $5-$50 an hour.

>>10535622
Can confirm that Duolingo is shit for learning German too. As a self-discipline enforcement tool it's top notch, but the lessons themselves are pretty bad.

>>10535646
>lessons themselves are pretty bad.
Arguably harmful. Specifically teaches super informal terms of address in french, to the point where, from what i've since learned, i'd seem childish of a little over familiar/rude.

It's definitley a supplement, not a way to actually learn

>>10535622
>>10535646
>>10535651
Can’t speak for the others, but I had a friend of mine try and start the French duolingo, and it was worse than the inbred, backwood, swamp-french I grew up on. Its like babytalk.

French is hard for english native speaker.
English prononciation is too for french and italian.

>>10535622
>it is trying to teach me to speak in an informal manner befitting a five year old
>>10535745
>Its like babytalk

Isn’t their whole schtick that they teach you like a child naturally learning their native language?

>>10535163
>>10535318
>>10535324
>>10535499
>>10535548
I want to ask if you yanks are OK, but we all know the answer.

>>10535765
The problem is you're not a child, and not trying to learn to speak like a child.

It's a gimmick. You don't have time or immersion a child does, so the whole idea is flawed... and like gropey is saying, it's baby talk. A few actual lessons drove that home fast. It doesn't match up with what an actual adult says.

>>10535817
Fellow bong? Suggest a source for off the rack Georgian era clothes in UK?

Preferably not ran by shilling racist wankstains like Samson.

>>10535851
Bump for UK eighteenth century clothes sources

>>10535817
We are not, but thanks for asking

>>10535851
>>10536135
Honestly, no clue, but i’ll ask in some facebook groups.

Fuck it have fun mocking my hard kit, /cgl/.
Ignore the pants, I didn't bother changing out of my work pants for this. I have a few additional acessories- waterskin/pouch/dagger as well. This just a stripped down, in progress kit for field battles.
Replacing those legs- they're shit- and painting all the steel to match the helmet and mail are next on my to do list.

>>10536373
Honestly, It doesn’t look terrible. The only thing that bothers me is the diameter size of your maille, which is huge.

If you were trying to be historic, I would rail you for mixing 14th century body armor with the 15th century helmet, whatever the hell those gaunts are supposed to be, But as far as larp equipment, I wouldn’t kick you off the field by any means.

>>10536373
apart from the diameter of the rings there is no big problem. If I REALLY want to nitpick, the maille is kinda loose on you (which can be compensated by more padding) and the black leather straps on the red cover of the armor looks terrible.
The decorative leather whatevers on the shoulders are also kinda small, you should go bigger, especially that most of your shoulder isn't covered, so it's optically doesn't look great to have just those tiny flaps. Basically anything that you can add to your upper shoulders / around the neck would boost thing, be it some kind of cape or a gorget or whatever, just to cover up stuff

>>10536373
Nice corazzina, fag

>>10536373
Jesus christ why are the chain links so fucking huge.
Other than that its fine, overall. The chain is just so weirdly out of whack that I can't even begin to really address it.

>>10536569
If I have to guess, the big rings are solid and there are smaller (probably butted) links that attach the big rings together, and thus it has a "flatter" appearance when hanging, the big rings are roughly on the same plane or at least they try to be.
when you use only small diameter links the you have this twisting/zig-zag thing, that's the big difference in the look

>>10535163
>>10535318
>>10535324
Still waiting on your rebuttal

My costume storage space got water damage. Didn't find out until recently, but fortunately only a few things were ruined. One of my nicer white chemises has mildew and rust stains that I can't get out. Would dying it hide the stains, and if so what color, or is it just completely ruined?

>>10536755
Same goes for my light blue silk stays.

>>10536575
Interesting. Didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.

>>10536581
I doubt you’re going to get one at this point.

>>10536755
What material is your chemise made out of? Have you tried Oxiclean for both the chemise, and a stays? Obviously separately, in warm water. What is your boning made out of?

>>10536777
What's a boning mean in this context, other than the thing I'm giggling immaturely at? Google is not being helpful.

>>10536777
The chemise is a thin cotton, and the boning for the stays is -suppose- to be steel, but it feels far more flexible than the steel in my actual corsets. (I bought the stays.)
I haven't tried oxiclean yet, but I will.
My worry is that because apparently they were sitting wet folded up in storage of who knows how long so the stains may be too set in.

>>10536779
the material that makes your stays stiff, the stuff in the channels of the stays.

>>10536779
Stays are the support/Shapeware of the 18th century, kind of like the later corset of the victorian period, but not.

Boning, whether you’re referring to a set of 16th/17th century pair of bodies, 18th century stays, or 19th century+ corsets, Are the flexible, yet rigid material used to create shape and support in the actual garment itself. Historically, wood, whalebone, metal, reads, and even cardboard were used. Modernly, steel, plastics and artificial whale bone are the standard. Crazy enough, the most common boning in home builds is industrial zip ties, but the ends cut off.

Pic related. Each of those quilted lines, pretty much represents a strip of boning material.

>>10536777
>Interesting. Didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.
the years and the experience

>>10536780
The cotton chemise, if OxiClean doesn’t get it out, just write it off.

The stays are a little bit different. First off, they probably are steel boned, but not all steals are the same. If it’s a light flexible spring steel, you have lost the war with rust stains as it will rust the second you think about it. Your best option is to either pull out the boning and replace it with something else, or do what they did in 18 century, and just cover it with fabric. There are tons of extent examples of women with old or secondhand stays using fabric to cover up the damaged, old, and torn shell.

>>10536781
>>10536783
Ah, that makes sense, thanks

>>10536787
Is it possible to just dye either a dark color? Would that hide the stains?

>>10536789
Probably not. Overdying will typically make everything darker... even the stains.

Though I have two things to poset to you:

1: stains are period

2: who are you worried will see your stays and judge the stains?

>>10536790
>2: who are you worried will see your stays and judge the stains?
Are you insane? the whole church will be talking about this after sunday,

>>10536791
If your church is seeing your underwear...

>>10536792
you clearly don't understand the power that old ladies and their gossip has. They close to witches but from the far side

>>10536790
That's true. The stains on the stays I'm honestly not -that- worried about, they're just ugly. I care more about getting them out of the chemise, mainly the top and sleeves part, but also... It is more period. So if I can't get it spotless again, oh well. It'll get saved for cooking and cleaning up in at events.

>>10536413
>gauntlet
Cheap trash. The bracer is set to be re-cut so it isn't so retarded- the manufacturer massively fucked up- and those handplates are getting work too. Thumb is likely coming off entirely, I don't like it. And then paint, to help the thing blend in.

I'll probably get rid of it eventually, but I don't quite want enclosed arms or an actual gauntlet, so I have to figure that out first.

>>10536504
>Straps
Hard agree. Not sure what I want to do about it. I'm leading towards cutting off the excess and painting them, but I don't know if I want to paint them to match the helmets red- like everything else will- and then paint the buckles in accent colors, or do them copper/gold to match the overall pattern and leave the buckles alone.
Good advice though, thanks.
>The decorative leather whatevers on the shoulders are also kinda small
Yes. My intention is to replace it with something similar but longer, at the very least. Not sure what i'll do about the neck/shoulder area. I don't quite want steel there, and I don't want loose cloth- leads to accidental cheating if someone hits it- but I think you're right about covering the area a bit.
>loose mail
The arms need a little reduction, the torso actually fits very tight. The whole thing stretches. Some of the "loose" appearance is an optical illusion.

>>10536794
I don’t think the gossip would be on the stains themselves, but on the manner of which they found out that she has stains on her stays.

>>10536795
Oxiclean the ever loving fuck out of it. Hot water, long wash. If that doesn’t work, you can always try the lemon juice and hydrogen peroxide method, but again, it’s just cotton. Might be a good excuse to make a linen one.

>>10536575
Close!
It's aluminum rings with small, solid neoprene in between. Diameter wasn't my choice, getting something with a tighter weave would have cost somewhere over a thousand dollars. What you're all seeing is a combo of the wide rings, the connecting rings being very small and black (and not showing well in photos) and loose weave- it looks considerably better when there's good lighting and something that matches the color underneath it, and like shit when i'm lazy and wear tan pants under it.

Since I assume someone will ask
>why that material
Weight, rust, easy to color, and I know someone who can make it (and fit it) consistently and quickly in my home game, where the material is common. It's also very easy to modify at home, even compared to other mail. It also stretches, which is occasionally handy.

>>10536521
no u

Good advice all around though, thanks fags.

>>10536800
as I said, you clearly don't understand gossips, and probably old gossiping ladies either.

>>10536799
on the looseness I only meant the arms. And to be honest, that isn't that easy to get right, and sometimes it feels comfortable for the sake of take on and off to keep it loose.
It only became a problem when it's proper links with proper thickness and diameter and also full arm lenght. Then you the looseness would give weight on your arms that you really don't want on the long run, hence getting a tighter fit is important (and also looks better most of the time)
But for you it isn't really an issue apart from the looking good part, which can be taken care of with some thicker underclothing on the arms.

Also about the neck/shoulder area: get a padded coif that has only the neck/shoulder part, no ide what the fuck it's called in english, but get it in a color that is different from the rest of the set but matches it. Like, I don't know, maybe a little (not too) dark green or something, because green is the best color to go with red, objectively.
This will make you appear that you have bigger shoulders too, although the shoulder plates would have to be re-adjusted too IF you put it under the armor

>>10536801
Both of the description of your maille, as well as the reasons for it, Makes me want to beat you to death with a mandrill.

>>10536805
I legit have no idea what you’re going on about

>>10536805
>arms
Yeah, at a guess, I have an extra ring or two of diameter. I want to fix it anyway. It's comfortable, but can conceivable catch on the straps/buckes on the side of the corrazina.

>It only became a problem when it's proper links with proper thickness and diameter and also full arm lenght.
Yeah, been there. Terrible.
>padded coif
Might try getting my hands on a cheap one to fuck with. That or just replacing those pieces in a few years with better pauldrons. You're definitely right overall, they're just too fucking small. Half of this kit is cheap gear so I can experiment, so that wouldn't be a great loss.
>>10536809
Good thing it's light, you won't be able to catch me.

>>10536809
>I legit have no idea what you’re going on about
because you never lived in a little village where most of the people are 70+ years old gossipping grannies

>Both of the description of your maille, as well as the reasons for it, Makes me want to beat you to death with a mandrill.
Well, you are an elitist cunt, so it's understandable

>>10536811
>Good thing it's light, you won't be able to catch me.
I can run faster in full harness with a rage erection, then you can run trying to not get sodomized.

>>10536813
>Well, you are an elitist country, so it’s understandable
That’s the sweetest thing you’ve said in a while

>>10536825
>That’s the sweetest thing you’ve said in a while
The bar wasn't that high, so...
Also most of us here are an elitist cunt, so you aren't even special.

>>10536777
>>10536783
>>10536787
>>10536790
In todays edition of “Random things Gropey is oddly knowledgeable about”: historic women’s underwear.

>>10536825
>I can run faster in full harness with a rage erection, then you can run trying to not get sodomized.
Nah. On that note, I need to find a gym that will let me either wear a vest or wear my armor. Fucking winter.

>>10536827
By most larps standards, even i'm an elitist for doing things like telling people not all concepts are viable and epic armory is shit and always looks bad.

>>10536827
You’ll always be special to me, Slav-kun uwu

>>10536843
Not really. You know what I do for a living, and the kind of people I date.

>>10536861
You would think so, but trust me, i’d win.

>>10536861
*By most US larps standards,

>>10536805
Let's see if i'm actually understanding what you're telling me re covering the neck/shoulder area a little more. think something like this would help to fill it out?
I think part of the problem is the armor ending where it does and leaving the whole collarbone exposed along with the shoulders, this should fit with what I have and alleviate that pretty well. Some of the problem is also probably the pauldrons just flat out shifting off to the side- I don't have proper arming points, so they're tied to the corrazinas shoulder strap. Gives them room to shift. I was going to add a tab and arming points to the straps, but this'd fix that shit too.

>>10535163
fuck you, we were the niggers of Europe

>>10536900
nope, that's not wide enough as you also realized. It's not the protection value that is a problem, it's a larp after all, it's just looks wrong optically.

>I don't have proper arming points
you have chainmail, every link is a potentional arming point.


Also what I'm saying is get something like this without the head part (or with the head part if it works with your helmet)

>>10536801
I guess the real question is why not get some steel chain for a fraction of the cost desu, but you do you.

>>10536992
>you have chainmail, every link is a potentional arming point
It essentially has stretchy foam rubber in between butted aluminum links. It doesn’t have the resistance, or the strength to act as arming points from what it sounds like.

>>10537129
the shoulder plates are overglorified spatulas, a threaded fart can hold those. That thing can hold it.

>>10537122
Weight/how it handles water. I've spent a couple hours fighting in water before.

>>10537343
Fucking post got cut off. It's a mix of weight, longevity, asthetics- it's part of a group buy, and being uniform is a very effective weapon when people are scared shitless of your good fighters- and is intended for a game where mail is the peak of armor and fights can go on literally all day without downtime, and swimming in your kit is a real possibility. That, and events as often as every weekend, so something that'll stretch, otherwise fight tightly, be easily repaired, I've fought in water, swam, or fought on floating docks more than a few times, and been in a number of "castle" fights where you could circumvent the defenses if you were willing to run into the water and swim around them.

tl;dr
It works for my home game, which my plate isn't intended for at all. The flaws it has are largely fixable with layering.

>>10536992
right, I see what you're saying. I'll grab a cheap one for now to fuck with, at least. I'm also planning on a thicker arming coat, so we'll see if that helps anything. Worst case i'll ignore it, it's not something that's bothering me overmuch.

Regardless, thanks for your help, magyars not a shit.

>>10537343
>>10537364
Who hasn’t fought in water? Get stainless, or just don’t be a lazy fuck with your kit, and maintain it.

Maille is cheaper than its ever been, and is so easy to clean and maintain.

>>10537343
>>10537364
I guess the thing is, a fairly decent steel chain shirt can set you back maybe £100? No reason not to get one even just aesthetics wise if you arn't doing your normal game.

Also, I fight all day in full steel plate and chain, it's really not bad at all.On top of that, just keep your stuff in good nick and it can easily survive a little bath. It has reminded me to check my plate though, its sat in a suitcase in my garage for the last 6 months so I hope its not a big rusty mess.

>>10537422
>>10537424
It'll probably happen at some point.

>>10537343
>>10537364
Do you always make this many excuses for your own failure?

>>10537448
Do you always reee this hard? It's kit for a fantasy larp, not a reenactment. I'm on the field with people wearing everything from good quality plate, to fairy wings and dresses, to skaven completely with full face masks, to fucking treeman costumes.

>>10537463
/cgl/ is a dying board and /larp/ used to be a much more active thread. By posting kit you've broken the tomb seal and the shrieking banshees of nitpickers past are now free.
For what it's worth, I think your mail is fine for whatever your local game is. I see SCA football dads trundle around with chunkier shirts and Kydex armor all the time, and no one gets huffy about them.

>>10537588
T.hanks anon.
Hungarian larpfag actually gave some solid advice , some of which i'll end up acting on. My sleeves, at least, were already annoying me, and I think I can fix them in an afternoon of work. Plus I actually like the brig gorget it led to me finding. Covers the exact spot I target on shield fighters. Worst case, if I don't like it, it's cheap enough that it'll become loaner kit.
Productive overall.

>I see SCA football dads trundle around with chunkier shirts and Kydex armor all the time, and no one gets huffy about them.
To be fair, they're probably ignored because, well. SCA. Pointless.
>dying board
Feels like most boards are, really.

>>10537463
Let me guess, American?

>>10537629
he is right though

>>10537606
/pol/ and the 2016 election strangled the life out of this site. 4chan was already a subpar site for talking about hobbies, and no one wants to hang around on the website everyone knows as the Qanon forum.

>>10537629
Yes. This setup isn't for use in the US though.

>>10537630
Careful, you'll interrupt the traditional shitflinging.

>>10537631
Preaching to the choir. The only board that isn't ruined by their shit is /fit/. /k/ and /his/ are fucked. /tg/ is... not great, but not as bad.
Add in everyone being in facebook groups for this shit, and our hobbies all being dead because of corona, and we're fucked. I blame Hiroshimoot. Mods have been worse than i've ever seen then since he took over.

>>10537632
you don't have to blame the modes when the average poster is clincially retarded. The problem started way sooner when 4chan became popular, millions of new users came in and nobody kept the doors AND most of the old userbase just simply left.

But you can accept this or move one or just remain here and rage at the retards. I see no other options

>>10537632
If you’re using this in a Euro game, name it, so I can avoid a subpar event with no standards.

>>10537658
Hang on, which one is your favorite? I'll fly out just for you

>>10537630
So what your saying is that you love and approve of his kit? Got it.

>>10537662
Well, no big problems with the kit that's for sure.

>>10537658
To be fair, I'd be interested to know what game it is as well. Most different countries/ larp spheres have wildly different kit standards, so I'd be able to to give better feedback depending on if its bico or dracken or whatever.

>>10537463
Big oof bro. Don’t compare yourself to people who put a lot of work in their fairy or skaven kit.

>>10537588
I’ll argue that it’s also currently situational. /cgl/ By its nature is incredibly dependent on IRL interaction and activity as a fundamental driving force on its content, and that obviously not happening right now.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, /out/ is seeing a bit of a boost with people looking to get out of the house but distance.

>>10537666
The glorified rubber bands holding his links together could be a problem.

>>10537811
>Don’t compare yourself
There's no comparison intended. It's a statement of fact. It's a fantasy kit for a fantasy setting. Good skaven/fairies/whatever get nothing but respect.
>The glorified rubber bands holding his links together could be a problem.
In the context of it being allowed/disallowed in some places? Yes. I have an old shirt of shark armor if I specifically need steel, but it's beat to shit and the armpits/random links are gone. failing that, i'll just acquire appropriate equipment before going somewhere.
In terms of longevity? No, not unless i'm involved in a full on wrestling match. I've see~50 of these shirts, they hold up very well.

>>10537697
Bico. I've actually already used the mail and helmet before- the mail is specifically allowed, has been for a couple years. Reactions to it were generally positive from anyone who actually felt the need to speak to me. Or reach out and start touching me, on a couple of occasions.
The plate is all new stuff that I acquired for bico. More armor makes running down skirmishers more fun. And hopefully it'll convince not to try to get at the artillery anymore. Fucking terrible idea. Not used to lines being that deep, in my head if I can bypass the first rank or two I should have free reign. Wrong every time.

>>10537844
>Bico
If I see you next event, i’m pulling you from the field.

>>10537848
I slowly start to realize why even bico started to go to shit

>>10537848
>next event
So 2022?

>>10537848
If you can't talk shit without sounding like a middle school hockey coach, kindly remove yourself from this site.

>>10537632
>/tg/ is... not great
I used to spend so much time on /tg/ and I genuinely have no fucking clue if it's always been this bad.

>>10537855
>2022

If you think that being in Canada will help get shit under control by next year, I have have some bad news courtesy of us rowdy boys down south.

>>10537850
NTA, but when they relaxed the standards and let shitty murican kits in, it started to drop.

>>10537880
Man, you sound butthurt. Stay the fuck out of my country.

>>10537880
To be fair, it's a real possibility he's trying to talk shit in his second language.

I doubt lockdowns will persist into 2022 either way. People are already starting to not give a fuck.

>>10537887
That's a different anon, I posted my kit specifically for the shitflinging.

>>10537880
>If you can't talk shit without sounding like a middle school hockey coach, kindly remove yourself from this site.

Talking shit like a middleschool hockey coach is profoundly and traditionally Canadian, Anon

>I used to spend so much time on /tg/ and I genuinely have no fucking clue if it's always been this bad.

/pol/ influence has dragged it even lower than it was before.

Anyways, new subject: what kit upgrades have you recently made/purchased/looted from plague victims? Pic related, 16 gauge spring stainless couters to replace my older, later period 14 regular stainless ones.

Hey there dying board of a dying website. Have a bump.

>>10537632
I share the sentiment and had a big pause from 4chan since... well, /pol/ got out of control.
Doesn't help that there is now specialised hobby discord have a decent community. Often, where a sizable chunk of oldfags moved.

>>10537924
Acquired shitty knockoff "medieval shoes." Decided I like them, and the handful of people I know who actualy have shoes are right about how important they are, so now i'm trying to decide on where to get good shoes. Leaning towards buhurt tech.

>>10537964
Pic of your shoes? Also, what country are you from?

>>10537964
try to get a decent sole. slipping everywhere is no fun.

>>10537975
US.
I only "like" my shoes in the sense that they're comfortable and visually better than wearing modern footwear. They're shit otherwise. Don't have any pictures of them on me.

>>10538033
That's the idea. I know the buhurt ones are made to not slip, and i've seen them used, so i'm fairly confident they don't suck. The chinesium shows are going to get used as slippers/night shoes for things like walking to to river to bathe rolling out of bed and taking a shit.

>>10538033
Learn to walk properly.

>>10538057
>US
Boots by bohemond, And he couldn’t even put various modern souls on them. The absolute best value to quality you can get, and most won’t break more than $100-120

https://boots-by-bohemond.myshopify.com/

>>10538060
Thanks gropes.
Ever think of putting a copypasta of non-shit entry level vendors together?

>>10538063
Honestly a header with a basic vendor/maker list would be pretty good. We could workshop a "make your shit kit better" guide so the thread doesn't have to field the same questions all the time.

>>10538063
I have, but the problem is that by the time the list is compiled, some of those businesses will have imploded or gone to shit (see: Samson historical).

Another problem is that the vendors I would suggest typically either require you to know what you’re looking for, or are historic focused, which for some reason scares most larpers.

And frankly, it’s easier to link people to stuff when they ask for it, then try to make a comprehensive list.

>>10538071
It would be good in general. In an ideal world there's be a list of entry level vendors for various shit, and common, well known vendors to avoid. Part of the issue with US larp is that nobody knows where to get things that don't fucking suck, or cost retarded amounts.

Hence that poor bastard asking if his mytholon bracer was supposed to be so awful, or the masses of people in badly fitting "larp clothes" because the only vendors they know are
>expensive armstreet clothes
>local larp/sca vendor who tailors nothing, sizes everything for fat people, thinks clothes aren't supposed to show the wearers shape
It creates a feedback loop of not seeing examples of nice things - which you need in order to spot garbage- and not being able break the cycle yourself unless you're going to make all your own stuff, or are autistic enough about something to really dig into it.

>>10538073
Fair. Maybe go the other way, list vendors you know are particularly bad and why? Or just do what you're doing, it works.

I'm writing 2nd episode of my larp campaign for 15-20 players. Should I write and intertwine the new characters first or the general setting and events? Theme is medieval fantasy tournament and feast.

>>10537924
I bought these armguards on ebay a few days ago. They are a bit big for ym arms, but nothing a little bit of padding can't solve.

>>10538077
This problem also counts for Germany. I don't know how many newbies joined our group and instantly started looking on Mytholon and deinlarpshop and adamantly ignoring advice on where they could find better quality stuff. Or they did go "But anon I don't want to reenact like you. So please don't spam these shops to me." Despite me telling them that I wasn't reenacting but just looking for more bang for my bucks.
Thankfully we set up equipement guidelines last year and some of the other older players were finally willing to buy stuff from other shops then Mytholon. So there is improvement and I will just keep on telling the newcomers not to get greedy and buy shit from Mytholon but to do more research before buying anything.

>>10538269
I've been resorting to showing people horror pictures of kits. Shit like people trying to kneel and desperately pulling their breastplate away from their throat, or friends in their kits who have trouble sitting/tying their shoes. Then letting them handle my armor. That and pulling up websites and showing them that it's not really cheaper to buy shit armor.

>>10538269
>"But anon I don't want to reenact like you. So please don't spam these shops to me."
The hatred some larpers have for reenactment, and the amount of bullshit they talk themselves into because of it, is truly astounding. Seeing people fall into the overpriced larp trash trap when they could get reenactment gear of better quality for the same price is just saddening.

>>10538378
I think it is something along the lines of "I want to play some fantasy role and not get a dry lecture on history." Like they imply or even told me that they didn't want to play a person from a certain period of time in the past even though I never mentioned anything like that. The main problem I think is the fact the first contact they have to Larp equipement are these webshops and they get excited by all those shiny pictures like a kid in a candy shop. If you then come rolling in and tell them that all the stuff they want to buy is shit they get very defensive because they take that critic somewhat personally and ignore the part where you want to direct them to better sources of equipement.
I mean my tips for newbies are the following:
>Do not invest to much in the beginning, because you don't know if you will even like the hobby and we cann borrow you all that is missing
>Don't buy your stuff in shops like Mytholon unless it's Larpweapons
>If you know what type of character you want to play try to have an image of what he should look like and then ask experienced people if it makes sense
>then start researching where you could get the stuff
>longtime players can give you links to the good shops
>only then start to pour all the money you want into the equipement
In the past there were sadly quite a lot of them who started directly with the money part and then sat on a pile of junk. It's always like they throw all common sense out of the window and start their shopping tour without any thought.

>>10538398
>they get excited by all those shiny pictures like a kid in a candy shop.
This is literally exactly what happened. If I wasn't an autist who loves perusing shit like myarmory, and didn't have a lot of social intersection with buhurt/steel fighting people, i'd have been lured into buying "milanese" armor off of epic armory.

Luckily, I knew slav magic was a thing, and was willing to look at it before buying "affordable" larp armor.

>>10538269
>>10538302
>>10538378
>>10538401
But then it also brings the problem that Larping as a hobby tends to attract people with a certain mindset. Something that plays out like this:

>Hey guys, I found this really cool art of a guy wearing armor to legs that look like this!

Those legs look like an artistic rendition of X. Here are some sources about the legs and question, but keep in mind they need to be worn with why clothing to work and the artist didn’t really take that into account for proportions.

>LOL, I’m not reenacting and those are way too expensive. For $50 less I can get these cheap ones that I found on eBay!

A few weeks later…

>He larpthread, I just got these legs and they don’t fit right and keep biting me in the nuts. How do I fix it?

They don’t fit right because they were made by a blind Pakistani guy in a mud hut. You have to do this to fix them, and you should really look into wearing them with (specific style of arming wear), Which will keep them from pinching your nuts.

>Quit pushing your elitism on me! My game says cargo shorts are fine! You guys are never helpful!

Etc etc.

>>10538434
Pretty much this, yeah.

>>10538434
>legs
On THAT note:
https://gfarmoury.com/details/32
https://www.buhurttech.com/product-page/legs-squire

Trying decide between these. Buhurt tech is more affordable, and looks like it'll be lighter and potentially a little more mobile. I do NOT need any protection on the back of my legs.
Gf armory is outright sexier, but at least one person i've talked has suggested that they think the strap positioning on it looks odd and aren't sure about it
I also can't tell what i'd need for arming clothes, beyond something to stop myself getting pinched/bit by the armor.

>>10538909
It really depends, are these for bohurt or literally anything else?

The buhurt tech legs are ugly, but made for what they are sold for. Its solid product for that purpose, from a reputable company. Wouldn’t suggest it for larp, costume or history though.

I will be honest, this is the first I have heard of GF armoury, and cannot comment on the quality of the product or the professionalism of the business, but they do look significantly better aesthetically and historically.

No matter what, measure over your soft kit. If its for bohurt, you should always have panzerhose/padded leggings

>>10539050
Larp use, might get used for bohurt if I get into it. I've seen GFarmorury reccomended by some people in steelfightign groups, too. My primary concern, honestly, is fit, stability, and mobolility. I have trash gutter greaves right now that i've modified twice, and i'm sick of dealing with armor slipping down and eating my instep.

>>10539425
>i’m sick of dealing with armor slipping down and eating my instep.

That sounds more like a suspension issue.

If you are wearing your legs correctly, mounted off your arming clothing, that wont happen.

>>10532631
https://discord.gg/jGxyKVvT

I am looking to get 14th century English soft kit and was wondering if there was any recommendations for merchants that sell high quality clothing of that century. I don't mind high prices if the quality is good. Pic related.

>>10540647
Location?

>>10540668
Ireland thanks.

Hosting a Medieval Fantasy Noob Nordic Larp with minimal mechanics and no spell throwing.
I want to include one or two "evil" characters with the ability to cast a spell that causes something cinematic like everyone has to freeze for the duration while doom ambient starts to play from speakers. Wouldn't that be cool? I don't know how it would work in practice though.

>>10540674
I have not dealt with it myself, but I do know that a bunch of my euro friends swear by these guys. Product looks solid, and the prices are good.

https://medieval-market.com/male-medieval-clothing.php

>>10540694
Less is more, but don’t be afraid to also invest in effects. We require practical effects in my game. Get an MP3 of super low pitched infra sound, and a decent portable speaker, to play for the duration of the paralysis spell. Get some blood capsules for the spellcaster to use while casting spells in the dark tongue (mortals are not meant to use those words). Smoke/fog spells use simple smoke FX capsules. “Harm” attack spells are hollowed eggs filled with flour and snappers. “Sicken” spells are the same, but the shell is dyed green and its filled with gummy candy bugs.

>>10540694
>I want to include one or two "evil" characters with the ability to cast a spell that causes something cinematic like everyone has to freeze for the duration while doom ambient starts to play from speakers. Wouldn't that be cool? I don't know how it would work in practice though.

Eh. Stuff like this doesn't really do much in my experience. An effect with no obvious physical component to react to is basically just a fancy way of you calling a hold, and it has the same shitty effect on immersion.
If you're looking for a way to create a moment with music, think of something more organic if you can. More detail about what you're trying to accomplish would help.

remember that at the end of the day, larp is a physical and visual thing. If you're missing those, it usually sucks.

>>10540736
Seconding Medieval Market. Good stuff and great service.

>>10540694
Im above all curious what message and experience you are trying to convey through this medium? Both the mechanic and the larp itself.
Calling it Nordic is a bit of a double edged sword usually, with everybody having their own idea or Knutepunkt/jeep circlejerk.

Were going to need a lot more info to judge: playtime, player experience/targetdem, plot runthrough or a description etc

>>10540736
These ideas sound great. The sorcerer will have color and sound effects. He has a minion to press play if he's too busy. A smoke/fog spell is great too. The character is a corrupted high priest who is plotting against the ruling faction. When he is powerful enough he can initiate coup d'état.
>>10540860
That's why I asked what would it look like in practice and good thing I did. Sound effects will be easy, but visual effects need work still. Half of the players want immersion, but don't care if I involve gamey or joke elements. I want to host an immersive, dramatic but cozy larp for my friends (24 invited, 14 last game)
>>10540896
I say Nordic Larp because I'm planning everything according to how it affects immersion. Also because we are in a Nordic country and I haven't participated in anything but Nordic larps with immersion focus.
Immersion means to lose yourself in the game, forgetting your real life for a minute, but also to not having to roll a dice or having to argue with your fellows that did you get hit by a boffersword or not. Play to Lose and Play for Big Game, I think are the core principles. If my character will create lots of drama and immersion for others by dying then it is the right action.
The game is going to be one day campaign game. Setting is in a universe of my creation. A tournament is held in the Emperor's castle and a feast after that. The tournament is a good way to break the ice and noobs will learn how boffer-weapons work right away. I drew a lot of influence from Roman government. Examples of characters already insisted:
>A loyalist statesman employing inquisitors to find traitors
>A corrupted Pontiff who has an Eldritch horror whispering in his ear, promising power
>A Noble lady assassin
>An Elite Praetorian Centurion
>The Emperor and his heir(s)
>A Tribune who wants peace and mediates between all factions
I'm writing almost everything and that's fine.

>>10532631

I'd like to make a couple armours for my brother and I, and go to town on eachother with sticks and bats. I mean I'd like to straight up club him, but that'd cost money in hospital bills. I know chainmail protects against slashing, but what protects against blunt attacks?

>>10540736
>https://medieval-market.com/male-medieval-clothing.php
Thanks for the recommendation, they look much better than the other places I have been looking.

>>10541043
Padding/Quilted defenses, and plate.

If you’re really asking this question, I suggest find your local SCA or Bohurt group and talking to them first.

>>10541049
Goes back to that convo we had here about reenacting kit being better and cheaper than most specifically marketed larp trash.

>>10541067
Hey Gropey, check your email. Sorry it took a while, but we talked a couple months ago about some circus stuff and I finally got the information I was looking for.

Looking to build a nice looking undead skeleton/monster kit that will end up looking similar to (pic related) for larp.
>Warning: I've never tried making a well disguised kit like a skaven, fae, monster before, so I was hoping to get some pointers and ping-pong Ideas for a little inspiration.

>idea for the head *hardest part to pull off IMO
Articulated Sallet helm to cover everything but face with visor up
a masquerade skull or Halloween mask glued to the front of a black morph mask. I'd like to avoid body paint if possible.
I'd need advise for a possible fake eye trick

https://www.mostlydead.com/products/skull-makeup-effects-appliance-mask
This is the best thing I've found to put overtop a morph mask. I think the fake jaw would help pull off the illusion, but it's a bit too pricey for my taste.

>idea for the arms/feet
They make opera gloves & Halloween gloves that look-like skeleton arms. i figured I could find a nice pair to put under some armor pieces but idk how uncomfortable this could be for all day larp...

>wear and tear/grime on the clothes would be relatively easy
>but damage & past injury props would be tricky to incorperate to make them larp safe/friendly
I was wondering what you think would be best for how to pull this off.
Also if any of you know any costume sellers or prop makers that sell anything that could make this really convincing I'd appreciate it...

>>10541018
So, scorer stuff isn't my forte. I can tell you that things don't need to suddenly, instantaneously happen to work well.

Example:
We had a "boss fight" consisting of a waves of standard NPCS and a man in a decent costume with a big fucking hammer (6'6") and the skill/physicality to keep it moving in big, controlled arcs while still throwing regular strikes. He had a combat call- quake- but it came with an obvious physical component in that you could hear and see the hammer being smashed into the ground. Easier to stay immersed than just saying it, expecially since he hit a few of us (staff) full force when we got too close to him, and we hammed it up and let ourselves get knocked off our feet.

Immediately after this was sorcerers. That room (actually outside, we'd set up a fairly large castle with tarps, this happened at night) was set up well in advance, with music already playing, fog machines having been on for an extended period, and concealed LED strips and lights used to add to it all. No call needed (or desired) to indicate the motherfuckers in the room were magic, the effects, costumes, and music made it obvious instead.

Not sure if this helps- I know how to break an encounter, or how to enhance a scene like this, but i'm never the guy writing them.

tl;dr
practical effects, any sort of "call" needs an obvious physical component that a dumb child would understand might do the thing you're talking about. If we'd just yelled quake at people, it would have sucked ass.

>>10541283
Honestly, if you just have fully armour over black clothes/ gambeson, and then make sure you wear gloves if you don't have gauntlets, that'll probably do. I'd say just scrap the idea of eyes and just go for empty sockets, otherwise seems good.

>>10541256
Nothing yet, but I will email you when I get it!

>>10541283
>>10541308
I think y’all are way overthinking it. A simple mask with the black fabric mesh eyes goes a long way, as well as a generic robe made out of burlap. It looks plenty rotted especially after wearing it for a little while and letting it thread up. Add to that if you piecemeal pieces of old rusty armor, some molded skeleton gloves, and maybe a retired and stained tabard with brown blood stains on it, and you’re good to go.

Pic related.

>>10541340
I sent it to the SC circus gmail, the one I talked to you with last time. It's nothing too important, but some interesting info I found while digging through old family history.

>>10541380
Just got it!

Need interesting character ideas for a medieval larp. Combination or "twin" characters are cool, as in very intertwined characters being either brothers or great rivals.
I haven't read enough fantasy novels.

>>10541340
Looks pretty good ngl

How does this make you feel, anons?

>>10543355
I am not really sure what you’re getting at?

>>10544494
The secret is forgetting about it in yor garage for a few years!

>>10545283
Honestly? It’s actually made of metal, and it doesn’t look as terrible as some of the rest of the shit I see on the field. Is it great? Hell no. Is it going to ruin my day? Also no.

The biggest thing I’d be worried about is how much money he spent on it.

>>10545321
$420 for the armor set, the guy is actually modelling it.

>>10545338
Ok, now I hate it.

>>10545359
But it's so good. who need a fauld when you have thigh shields?
Good shaping when you have fine indian curves?
Legs that fit when you have EPIC one size fits someone, somewhere, cost saving sizes to choose from?

>>10545376
If that was someone’s garage build, it would be fine being photographed at an event, but if thats something someone is trying to sell...

>>10545397
>sell
Try mass produce

>>10545321
I need character ideas for medieval fantasy larp. Got any?

>>10545283
The Fit: WHACK
The Shape: WHACK
The Coverage: WHACK
The Aesthetic: WHACK

Basically it looks like terrible, indian made mass produced crap. For >>10545338
this amount of cash, just get an actually nice bit of armour, something like a brig and chain maybe.

>>10545399
Yeah, nah, fuck that.

>>10545560
Rat catcher
Rag picker
Mendicant leper
Sin eater
Flagellant
Grave digger/robber
Barber-dentist

>>10545610
Haha funny
fuck tripfags

>>10545560
Gamekeeper
Merchant
Tollkeeper
Farmer
Militiaman
Raider (depending on setting)
Any number of professions, like baker, etc

>>10545612
Who’s being funny? I am trying to give you ideas to not be a cliché loser.

>Rat catcher
Respected, well paid, and free to go where he pleases. He knows how the dark places and how to traverse them.
>Rag picker
Collector of discarded treasures who sees and knows everyone’s secrets
>Mendicant leper
Seeking salvation and glory before his affliction takes him.
>Sin eater
All men have sins, and their is power in taking them into yourself.
>Flagellant
Rage against the end of days, seeking absolution.
>Grave digger/robber
Rich or poor, they are yours in the end. By day, you’re a dutiful man bringing all their final rest. By night you are the carrion magpie.
>Barber-dentist
Everyone eventually needs your respected services. Who needs magic to heal?

But please, feel free to be boring.

>>10545610
>>10545643
Based low fantasy

>>10545612
Those are classic Warhammer fantasy classes faggot.

What do you think is “cool” then?

>>10545573
Oh, I already have armor, I just wanted to share that gem, because it's amazing.

>>10545612
Whats the problem? Those are good.

>>10546032
Oh thank god, bless you anon. Anytime I see anyone with this epic armouries or similar shit head to toe matching I die a little inside.

>>10546063
I get people with mutual friends telling me they don't know anyone who has issues with their armor. THAT makes me die inside, because I know they're fucking wrong, but they're so attached to whatever bland, overpriced gear they got swindled into buying that they defend it.

>>10532866
don't post it online

>>10545776
Gropey, how on earth do I tighten these?
They're loose enough right now that I can't really run in them, and the ties... don't seem conductive to actually getting tight.

Then again, I don't know a fucking thing about these kinds of boots

>>10546545
What are you wearing under the boot? Do you have full length stockings/tall socks, and whats the pants situation? The idea behind tall boots is that they should fit over all that to protect it.

I’m honestly not into laced boots, but there are options to make them fit... but it will render them non-returnable if you do so. Simplest answer is to turn over the top edge, and wear it with a garter. More involved answer would be to punch new lacing holes to the desired size

Can you get someone to take a head- on picture of your boots while you wear them? Also: more ferret pics.

>>10546561
Nothing under them right now, since the care and feeding instructions stated to go barefoot. That said, they're not tight at all, so a little later i'm going to get in proper garb. Normal, actual wear would be an athletic sock, a thick wool sock over that, and thin, shitty pants that add no real bulk. I think i'm just going to pull the weird little leather strips and replace them with actual leather cord and use it like normal shoelaces.

The things on there just don't seem like they CAN tighten the boot, it's a weird series of tiny individual pieces of leather that go through a couple of holes each. I'm assuming boots by bohmeund is used to selling to people with fat feet or something.

>>10546597
>the care and feeding instructions stated to go barefoot.
Wait, what?

>The things on there just don't seem like they CAN tighten the boot, it's a weird series of tiny individual pieces of leather that go through a couple of holes each.
I would need to see the boot head on before I can tell you what to do.

>I'm assuming boots by bohmeund is used to selling to people with fat feet or something.
Well, it is American. That says, he has excellent customer service if you need to return them or swap them.

Before you do anything to modify the actual boot itself, try it with all of your socks and pants on, and tighten it as much as you can. It still looks like the top your instep has a gap that you can pull shut

Does anyone know of a place to get custom made hoplite armor that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? I've seen places that sell one size fits all stuff but I wouldn't trust that at all. Hellenic, Archaic, even Mycenaean stuff would all be cool!

>>10547312
Short of finding some random greek to do it for you and hoping he doesn't charge too much- no.
Bronze is fucking expensive- we're taling dollars for a pound vs pennies for steel, if you're buying in bulk- never mind finding someone with the skills and tools to work with it AND the armoring skills to actually make it into kit.

>>10547321
Ahh well, that's a shame but fair enough

>>10546721
These pants will eventually get replaced. The bagginess is absurd. Ridiculously comfortable, though. Ignore the shit perspective, the woman is gone all day and i'm bored, so I figured i'd give the boots another try. No ferret because they're sleeping, as ferrets are prone to doing. Plus the male thinks the boots are food. Or a toy.

>>10547511
So whats the problem exactly? It still looks like you could cinch them tighter. Are the better with socks?

Post ferrets when possible.

>>10547731
They do not seem to get tighter, no. The way they're set up, trying to cinch on end of a tie just pulls on the other and nothing gets tighter. IE, the third and second are one tie. Pulling one loosens the other.
Socks help, but my heel still comes up and away from the boot when running.

Probably just going to replace the little ties with leather bootlaces and call it a day.

I've been in these threads once or twice but never enough to actually retain anything. I recently bought a bow at my local pawn shop for about $20 (I posted about it on /out/ https://boards.4channel.org/out/thread/1990405#p2000568)) and I never really saw myself as an archer type in the days that I would lurk here, but now that I've got a bow I figure I might as well incorporate it into any LARPing I do. The thing is I don't know much about LARPing, I would mostly pop in here and browse as opposed to actually getting involved but now I want to learn more. One thing I've been wondering is what sort of gear my character would carry, along with what weapons besides the bow. I was thinking something along the lines of a short sword and punch shield, or at least a small shield/buckler.
As for gear I have the mindset of making things practical in the sense of if I wanted to larp into the woods for a week/month and survive with what I've got on me I could actually do it, yknow? I've got a good idea for what to have gear wise in that sense because I've been looking into that for other reasons, but for this loadout I guess historical accuracy would be cool, like a modern day ferro rod/striker set amongst other modern day gear would sort of stand out I suppose.
In general I don't know if I would want this character I'm making to be more history based or fantasy based. I don't live anywhere near any sort of large scale larps and no one I know would want to, so it would mostly be for me.
Another thing I've wondered is clothing, some posts in this thread have mentioned reliability for online sources which is a problem I've run into, in the sense of I don't know what's reputable and whats garbage.

I know most of this probably seems scatter-brained and all over the place, but like I said I've got lots of questions, lots I don't know, and not a whole lot of organization as to what I'm asking.

Pic related is the bow

>>10549241
Okay, there's a lot to unpack here. First of all, where are you based? I'm guessing you're a burger, which means as a bong I can't give much advice for places to buy kit and stuff. My advice would be to look for any semi-local larps and join in on those. They will have a costume brief of some kind (hopefully, god knows in the US) that can then dictate what sort of kit you'll want to put together. There's a huge gulf between high fantasy, low fantasy, quasi-reenactment and everything in between, and throw in taking from entirely different historical periods and its impossible to give you a direct answer. If you do just want to do this solo, its not really Larp as much as it's walking around the woods in cool kit, which is fine, but not really sure how to approach that.

>>10549320
Yeah I just kind of threw every question I had into one post, I certainly didn't expect direct answers to all of it, but getting involved with the people in the thread is the main goal so I can learn and go from there. I'll be in threads more consistently and try and bring up questions and be in discussions more often
I'm in Arizona, the town I live in is half resort town and half retirement town so there's really not a lot of resources for in person stuff, unless I drive to pheonix but thats 4 hours away and even then I'm not sure what they've got
So for now I would be relying on online sources which sucks but I'm sure I can get some okay stuff to start with. I do plan on heading to Europe at least once to see their larps like drachenfest and the landshnecks (not sure if I spelled that right) I really appreciate the feedback though, thanks!
Pic related is something I grabbed from the archery thread on /out/ (fairly certain at least)

>>10549320
has the right of it, the biggest piece of advice to give you here is to settle on a game first. Aside from the obvious (fantasy costuming is different from sci-fi or post apoc, etc), each game has its own set of rules and standards you may need to build around.

>>10549241
Visually, that bow will fine for most larps in the US, but not all.
The draw is far too heavy. Games usually have a limit of 25#, 30#, or 35#.
Don't fuck around and sneak it in. People will see it as a safety issue, and you could easily catch bans from a game for knowingly using it, and once one game bans you for something, there's a chance everyone around you will follow suit.

gear?
Utensils, something to drink out of, shoes/boots (modern boots are often fine as long as they're not loud, depends on game) A good, heavy cloak (as in a blanket with a hood), pouches or a pack to carry shit.
Really, two cloaks.

A hatchet would be useful, along with a good knife. Many larps would be fine with those existing in camp, but not being worn on your person. Check in advance. Firestarting kit isn't a bad idea. Wool socks. Several pairs. A folding stool or two rarely goes amiss.
There's lot of modern stuff that's extremely useful and should come along, even if hidden. For example, I often wear modern sweat wicking/odor control shit hidden under my garb. Especially socks. Combine with wool and your feet stay dry, sweat free, and they don't get horrible boot stink. Really, if you'd want it for a long camping trip, you want it in character. Probably.


Weapons wise, a sword and buckler are smart. Add a dagger. Be aware that a competent fighter with most other combinations will have an advantage over you. On the other hand, most larpers are absolute shit at fighting, so if you're not a retard and are in shape and coordinated, you should be just fine. Great for immersive shit, bad for a battle game.

If you want to check out a european style larp, bicolline is an easy start point.


Also this:
>>10549644
Pick a game. Different games allow different shit. Some will have you camp or fuck off at night, some will provide sleeping accommodations, some will let you dig a fire pit, some will lose their shit because you have a knife within 10000 miles of site.

>>10549241
Obviously, I’m a little late to the party, and thankfully all the anons above have asked the questions I would, about poundage and such.

The one caveat I would add about gear on your person boils down to two trains of thought:

1: What equipment would your character carry? I would flat out expect a woodsman or Ranger to carry much less in the way of personal items in creature comforts then say, a soldier. A soldier could very well carry a blanket, a cloak, a small cooking pot, cooking utensils, and a canvas rain cloth on their person, but they are also working in tandem typically with other people, and are not traveling in the same manner as a woodcrafter. The Ranger has to travel light, and will most likely get rid of Anything that is not immediately useful, or would weigh him down.

2: What items do you mundanely know how to use, and will you use it? Carting around a flint and steel is all well and good, but if you don’t know how to start a fire with it, you’re better off with a lighter or fero rod. If you’re not gonna be lighting fires at all, don’t bother taking it.

Pic is some of my personal crap.

>>10549763
Good post.

especially:
>2: Carting around a flint and steel is all well and good, but if you don’t know how to start a fire with it, you’re better off with a lighter or fero rod. Just build a good fire and nobody will care how it got lit if you're not super obnoxious about it.

Really, If you can set shit up without using a gallon of accelerant, and in a way that doesn't require me to stop drinking in order to
>grab burning logs and unfuck them
>reorganize everything because you piled shit like dirty laundry
>throw shit out of the pit because you're smothering the flame
I'm not going to care that you used a zippo.

Fuck, it's actually been nice NOT being given a reason to bully grown men for not being able to build a fire that doesn't suck.

>>10549763
Let's try this again, but with non shit formatting.
Good post.

especially:
>2: Carting around a flint and steel is all well and good, but if you don’t know how to start a fire with it, you’re better off with a lighter or fero rod.

Just build a good fire and nobody will care how it got lit if you're not super obnoxious about it.
Really, If you can set shit up without using a gallon of accelerant, and in a way that doesn't require me to stop drinking in order to
>grab burning logs and unfuck them
>reorganize everything because you piled shit like dirty laundry
>throw shit out of the pit because you're smothering the flame
I'm not going to care that you used a zippo.
Fuck, it's actually been nice NOT being given a reason to bully grown men for not being able to build a fire that doesn't suck.

>>10549848
...what the hell are you going on about? No one is bullying anyone here.

>>10549848
>Complains about formatting
>proceeds to format like shit
GB2 Reddit.

>>10549650
>>10549763
I love the idea of having stuff in your pockets that your character would actually have.

What else you got?

>>10550465
Can't help much with that one. I usually just have a pair of pouches, a pair of gloves in one of them, eating utensils if I haven't already had food, and possibly a cheap wineskin and/or a belt loop holding a mug. That and a sword/dagger. Cloak if weather calls for it.
What you should have largely depends on the character. I should probably add dice or cards.

>>10550569
Oh, and a cloak, even a very light one, is also handy if you're going to be carting around a modern bottle of booze. Wear the cloak over one shoulder. Pour into mugs, the hold bottle hidden under the cloak. Easy way to go about with a plastic handle of whatever- or container of mixed drink- and not fuck up anyone else's immersion.

>>10532866
you just do it, nobody is going to say you are you fucking autist

>>10550590
Unless he acts like an autist, but that is separate from the weebery.

>>10551980
>mfw I used to own that exact "helmet"
I swear I'm better now

>>10551981
Its all part of growing up.

When I was 15-16, I was running around in maillie, sporting an undercut, being a total vikaboo despite being as Nordic as lasagne.... Despite (or in spite of) both my parents being reenactors with history degrees.

Look back on those dark days an laugh while we help the new generation.

>>10551980
God I hate that fucking helmet.
>>10532866
Don't play with people who'll pull that shit. If you do, don't be friendly with them, they're going to be pricks and accuse you of shit behind your back no matter how perfect you are. Also, don't fuck it up.
Bad jap kit makes you weeb trash.
Good jap kit is fucking gorgeous, and will motivate me to run across a battlefield to duel you.

>>10532866
Cultural appropriation is a stupid concept at first place.

>>10551996
I kind of want to see that.

>>10555568
Enjoy https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/9413193/#9416560

bump

>>10558995
Its been slower than usual, but weather has been he worst all season for a bunch of folks.

Whats on your mind, anon?

Hey HLF, if I were to be trying to get a black band kit together, do you have any patterns/inspiration pics/etc you could point me to? Don't speak German (yet), but am fluent in google translate. Larp use, but leaning twords accurate Landsknechte.

>>10559078
NTA but opinions of dogs at games in general? Pics?

>>10559114
you just fancied the black band because they have a wikipedia page or there is something more specific to it? Also I have to ask which black band because it was a fashionable name and more than one group used it.

>>10559481
Honestly, it really depends.

Firstly, the socialization, temperament, and training of the dog is the most important aspect. I love dogs, but not everyone’s dog is meant to be at an event filled with a lot of random people, making a lot of noise, and moving around a lot. It’s just not a good environment for a lot of them.

Secondly, we have to differentiate here: At a larp, I think that it’s in general not a good idea. For the safety and comfort of the dog, I wouldn’t want it near any combat, especially if it gets defensive of its owner or others. This would require you to leave the dog at camp, but would leave it unattended, in a strange place, and it’s just not fun for it.

At a living history event, I think it’s better, No different then taking a dog to a festival or picnic. You can have the dog with you as you go about your day, or even involve it in specific activities like coursing or the like, And more likely to have access to a quiet place and downtime to let the dog decompress, unlike a larp. Bonus points if your dog is actually involved in a demonstration or panel.


It’s a lot like bringing kids, though I would prefer dogs over kids any day.

>>10559481
Sounds like a good way for either the dog or a player to get hurt.

>>10559502
Ngl, the wiki page may have something to do with it, not so much there being one, but that it specifically mentions that they use some of my favorite types of weapons. It also may have to do something with my ancestors being on the other side of those battles from them. Something something, best way to learn the enemy is to become the enemy, something. Actually, that would be about when my ancestors fled germany. An attempt to reconnect with ancestors if you will.

>>10559973
Wiki page?

Ive been looking to buy some stuff for reenactment purpose into russian website, namely donjon.ru

They have some larp, and foam larp, not texodite weapon, but last time I took one dagger for testing purpose, it was hard as hell.

Are all russian foam weapon too hard for western standard ?

>>10560235
Hadn't heard of them, but their historical armour looks great. Let me know if they deliver internationally!

>>10560536
Maybe I'm jaded, but for me they just look okayish but very cheap.
I'm more interested on the hema rubber/plastic axe head, and if their foam stuff is useable.

>>10560235
Do they have an English site?

>>10560540
They have a few pieces that really jump out price/quality wise desu. Outside of that the belts, deco etc is about half to 30% of what I pay for here.

>>10560032
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Band_(landsknechts)

>>10559973
I'm not aware of them using any weapons that other landsknecht didn't or at least in a wide spread manner.

Anyway about patterns and whatnot.
you can start here with a heavy dose of google translate
https://www.landsknechtlager.info/w/

if you are good with sewing otherwise you can look at the reconstructing history patterns, but they nearly always have some kind of mistakes that you have to adjust, so if you don't know what you are doing I wouldn't recommend it.

And if you think you are up for the task and want something that is more than larp then you can look at this site
https://www.um1504.de/

Anyway, most of the landsknechts patterns aren't THAT complicated with the possible exception of a hose but that's always kinda hard to get it right (and usually depends on your upper garment if you can get it right or not) it's just they use a lot of materials.

What do you anons think the most important things to put in a design doc/brief are? I'm currently writing a larp for after the rona, and want to make sure I've covered all my bases.

>>10560235
Haven't heard of them before, but if you decide to go for it let us know how the kit is, the pricing seems really reasonable.

>>10561072
who is it for / what kind of player / mindset / etc

What can the players expect both in story and activities

what they might need to bring (apart from the usuals)

where will it take place, date and time, will there be scheduled downtime or not etc. other comfort infos if needed (where to sleep will there be running water or toilets or not etc)

There are a shitton of other things that may or may not needed but it heavily depends on the kind of game and if it's after all a design doc or a brief.

>>10561072
>a design doc/brief
What's that to you? When I write larps, I tend to create a ~40 page "player document" containing a lot of stuff, but you might just be referring to a two-page document to get people interested.

Either way, what works for me is making sure that participants receive the following:
>Half a page of general pitch
>What kind of gameplay to expect
>What kind of gameplay not to expect
Especially for the more emotionally-driven or experimental larps it's important to be upfront about what players will be doing and what themes you'll be playing with.
>Which design goals I had and design choices I made
It's important to make these one of the first things that people see, since it will polarize people. Draws the people you want in, keeps the people you don't want away.
>A rulebook
>A lorebook
Just a summary of relevant background information, if any.
>Practical information
>A timeline
For larps where it matters, a general timeline of big events is a nice thing for players to have in their back pocket.
>A who-is-who document
Very useful for one-shots. Use both IC and OoC names.
>Relevant names and contact info
Make sure people know who the storytellers and organizers are, as well as any other important roles you might have (safety coordinator, first aid coordinator, site owner, whatever else might be relevant).

Yes, this is a lot to read, and no, people won't actually read it well enough in advance. I've given up on trying to keep my documents brief after the one time where over half of my 20something players hadn't read eight pages of information about two hours before the start of the game. Just make sure you repeat the important stuff verbally right before the game starts.

>>10561110
>Yes, this is a lot to read, and no, people won't actually read it well enough in advance. I've given up on trying to keep my documents brief after the one time where over half of my 20something players hadn't read eight pages of information about two hours before the start of the game. Just make sure you repeat the important stuff verbally right before the game starts.
I know players who are actually proud that they won't read anything before the larp. At all.
Also players who think it's elitism if some positions in the game are only open for those who read the rules and stuff and actively communicate with the organizers and other players well before the game

>>10561132
>I know players who are actually proud that they won't read anything before the larp. At all.
Not gonna lie, that breaks my heart a little

>>10559481
JFC Dogs are not accessories or props. That is how you end up getting bit or getting your dog hurt.

>>10561173
I just usually call them out enough times that they voluntarily won't go to any game that I'm also present

>>10561132
>I know players who are actually proud that they won't read anything before the larp
This makes me inordinately angry.

>>10561072
>What do you anons think the most important things to put in a design doc/brief are?
Might just be cause there's only shitty people where I live, but rules specifically talking about/restricting abuse of the rules.
In the local larp I went to(before a bunch of drama shut it down) there was a rule where if you hit a player and they got injured, you would have to sit out the game until they could join again. Not an unreasonable idea, but some people began to weaponize it. Want to get rid of the best player on the other team? Be a wuss and scream bloody murder when they tap your leg, and sit out the battle.
Same exact thing happened with the rule where any hits to the head dealt the attacker damage instead. People began putting their heads in the way of shots.
A lot of things like this won't be obvious until you start playing, but just look at your rules and try to find a way to cheat the system, because you will most likely have at least one shitty person who will try and game the system so he can feel better about himself.
God I hate the larp scene around here.

>>10561478
This sounds like it's a failure of the GMs rather than a failure of the rulebook. I don't see what added benefit explicit rules give over stating "don't abuse our rules or there will be consequences" in a fancy way. If cheating was apparently an ongoing problem, they should have cracked down on it.

Larp organizers (or organizers of any kind, really) tend to be way too kind to problem participants, and it always makes matters worse. I know of one larp where they decided not to punish the dude who was literally spitting on NPC's, which directly caused at least four others to leave and never come back.

As a sidenote: never, absolutely never write rules against the abuse of social safety systems. Those are intimidating enough to use, and the last thing you want is some poor soul struggling to indicate their limits worrying if they'll be punished for doing so.

>>10561132
Don't you live in Hungary? Can't you just kill these people and pay off the cops? I'll gladly send you three American dollars, that should be enough to cover up like ten murders, right? Just don't cheat me and buy a house or something.

>>10561991
lets just say that the last time someone died in a very close proximity to a larp here the media was really big on it even after years after the happening.

Anyone plays a Lyre/Harp/WhateverTheFuckThey Called using Bard and can tell me if it hard to learn them? Because the idea of an bard interests me a lot

>>10562432
Did they blame satanism, drugs or both?

>>10562448
Monotonal (one string per sound) harps and lyres are simple enough. If you can figure out the keys on a piano, you can fake it.

I need quests for my medieval high fantasy nordic larp with minimal mechanics, preferably almost theatrically presented. I wrote a bunch of characters with some conflicting goals that will hopefully create plenty of drama. If we run out of things to do I have to have spare quests ready. The plot prologue is the emperor has invited his most important servants and bravest knights to a tournament and a feast. In addition to loyalists there is also the clergy which can attempt a coup d'etat if the key players care enough. I planned the game had no emperor character but I think we must have a clear hierarchy so I will play the emperor and steer/railroad my own death if it creates enough drama. Maybe I will rise as a zombie if someone finds the forbidden necronomicon from the forgotten archives.
We play in an old manufacturing complex and it will serve us as a palace in game. There are 3 buildings, lots of dark rooms and courtyard.

>>10561478
Shit like this is why I'm glad my game doesn't have rules like that, and specified that if an off target hit also contacts a valid target, you still take it. It's almost impossible to get hit purely in an off target area, aside from the hand.

Oh, and it's lightest touch... necessary to score a successful hit. Of someone is ignoring hits, you can hit them harder until they do. And it was written that way on purpose.

>>10562563
In that order at first, but nobody was ever put to prison because of it, case was several times reopened though.

The rumor that goes around and most probably is true that the guy just simply owned money to some people you really shouldn't own money to.

Why the fuck do medival larp pants look like Sweatpants without pockets?
Because if it means, that i can wear some black/brown blank sweatspants, then it would be nice, because this would save me 30-40€

>>10563024
because most larpers doesn't want to spend too much on cloths and thus larp shops want maximize profit and do the bare minimum so most of their pants looks shit.

>>10563028
So blank sweatpants are a nogo?

>>10563029
depends. If you already spending hundreds of euros on your garb then its a nogo.
If you are spending the equivalent of 20-30 euro on your garb then go for it, nobody that matters will call you out on it.

I mean for all it matters you can get some tights with a good color and it would be good enough.

If it otherwise fits your cloths it's good (that is if your cloths are at least covers the minimum standards)

>>10563032
I see. Well thanks a lot for the enlightenment. That helps me a bit more

>>10563024
Also because larp clothes are usually oversized, which has created this feedback loop. Larpers wear oversized baggy clothes, so larpers associate those with larp, so more larpers wear oversized baggy clothes.

If you have to purchase from the large manufacturers, one size too small is usually your best guess.

>>10563024
they aren't even close to the real thing, but I don't gatekeep my larps... yet.

>>10562756
Guess he should have had larceny as a class skill.

>>10563024
Because those /are/ over prices swear pants. Most larpers are oddly adverse and intimidated to trying real medieval and renaissance styles.

>>10563028
But then they spend as much money of larp trash as they could on real clothes, so its moot.

>>10563168
Its a real quality of life increase to require costume submission before games. Do it.

Pic is our costume approval officer, going over some pieces.

>>10563177
>But then they spend as much money of larp trash as they could on real clothes, so its moot.
I said the average larper doesn't WANT to spend much on that shit, not that they don't spend a lot on shit.
It's like when you show them something actually decent with a proper price and they go "but thats too expensive" and then they go buy several random shit that costs three times as much and looks half that good, but it's okay because each of those random shit were cheaper than the original stuff you showed them. It doesn't matter that most of them are useless or will fall apart in a month or so.

I would love to make my own cloath, but sadly i dont know how. What kind of material should i use and how thick should it be? Any tips?

>>10563775
cloak* sorry, i missspelled it

>>10563775
canvas cotton, wool or other heavy cloth. lighter cloths get wrinkly and rip easily although not too hot to wear in summer.

>>10563775
Wool, something with a tight weave, accept no substitutes. Light wools can be lined if you want. Wool is naturally water resistant, and even if its soaked, it retains its thermal properties. Its also fire retardant, and abrasion resistant as a plus.

I’ve had the same hooded cloak made for me since I was 14, and its only now starting to get rough looking after 17 years of regular, hard use.

>>10563906
>>10564081
And how thick should it be? I guess 1mm is too thin?

>>10564149
You could do 1mm, but it will be very thin and flowy. Think cotton t-shirt type thin. I'd go for 0,5 cm to 1 cm, at the minimum.

>>10564149
No lie, never heard anyone measure wool by width, only by weight and weave.

Basically, coat and outer garment weight, if not broadcloth.

>>10564849
>1 cm
>minimum
Negro...

>>10565174
This.

>>10563024
> Search for some Brown sweatpants
> Buy them one size bigger
> Save some €/$
> Not only wearable on Larps

Get some boots, that hides the lowest parts and a tunik which hides the upper part and *bam* you got some Larp Pants

>>10568360
Why would you wear sweatpants at all?

>>10568410
They are comfy af

>>10568466
Great, so keep them in your house as you sit on the couch like the pathetic loser you are.

If you’re going to larp, put some effort into it.

>>10568524
Post kit

>>10559481
Back when I still lived at home, my parents had a dog. Lovely thing. Kind, playful, welcoming of strangers, perfectly nice little pupper. I had a few friends that would always come over, and they bonded with the dog, too.

At one point, a friend and I were training for a boxing competition, and we decided to spar outside. The dog was getting excited, barking and jumping up against the walls of his pen and would just not calm down. My dad got it into his head that it just wanted out, so he let it. The first thing the dog did was dash out of its pen, circle my friend and me and flew at my friend despite the fact that we'd already stopped fighting.

Just keep in mind, anon. Unless your dog is trained to not react, it might not realize you're just playing and will try to defend you.

>>10568850
NTA, but post yours too.

>>10568871
Everyone end up ok?

>>10569578
Oh yes, don't worry. My friend ended up with a few teethmarks on his knee, but it was nothing major, just some pierced skin.
It was a keeshond, so it wasn't exactly a large dog. Still, it was a valuable lesson about pets and what you expose them to, and why we don't spar around my friend's Swiss Shepherds or Malinois.

>>10569578
Ah the pieces from William Baskerville. Good stuff.

Tbh if anybody starts shittalking kit pieces they should post their own kit with it.
This one is some real quick semi-histo kit I churned out for a background character.

>>10569617
Had to look up what the hell a keeahond is.

>>10569623
I personally would rather someone in sweatpants instead of goddamn jeans or BDUs

>You HAVE remembered to maintain your Larp gear.....right?

>>10569647
So you're just a shittalking reddit faggot after all

>>10569894
Uhhh.... what?

>>10569894
Are you ok Anon?

>>10570116
I think he tagged the wrong post.

>>10570544
Fuck. I need to figure out how to add a plume to my shitty sallet

>>10570846
I’ve posted a plume holder pattern multiple times, but I went to go copy it off of the archive, it 404’s. I will post it tonight when I get onto my computer

>>10570846
try this if you want to put zero effort in it

>>10570915
Otherwise theyre like a tenner on celticwebmerch

>>10570915
>>10570953
>>10572173
Thanks bros

>>10572173
>>10570953
>>10570915
Thanks fags

>>10572184
>>10574180

>>10574254
>Find cheap brass plume holders
>Realize european shipping is just not worth it
>I'll buy one locally!
Oh, wait. I live in the US land of ugly leather helmets and 100% stock epic armory kits.

Guess it's time to hit up my buddy with a garage.

Hey folks,
I participate in more boffer-type LARP and a friend of mine who is considering joining wanted a Norman-style kite shield. I plan on getting him out (once we can of course) just to make sure he enjoys the concept before getting him geared up on his own, but now I'm thinking of making a kite or two anyways.
How effective do any of you find kite shields in boffer games?

I also just love the idea of a well made, well painted kite for the costume aspect.

>>10575761
shields, generally speaking, are over powered in larps. Like, most of their disadvantages doesn't show.
So apart from bucklers you can't really go wrong with shields, and bucklers are an exception because they provide very little passive defense so you actually have to use them.
You have to use the other shields too ovisouly but an unexperienced shield user will be in an advantage against an inexperienced whatever else user.

Milage may vary depending on specific rules, and if we are talking about experienced fighters then it all changes, so there is that

Ive always been interested in this shit but I live in Nebraska. Maybe in a few years Ill have enough money to justify flying abroad for an event

>>10575524
Its not terribly difficult, and a worth while project. Also a cool and easy gift/prize/barter item.

>>10575761
It REALLY depends on the system. Three questions:
>Is the head a legal target?

>Is the shield viable in the ruleset to strike with, push or manipulate the opponent with the shield?

>Is the ability to destroy or bypass the shield common?

Typically, in most US battle games, shields are static walls, but with the head being invalid, a large shield provides full body coverage, and they over compensate by making shield destroying weapons and skills common. It gets kinda dumb.

Pic somewhat related, but say no to the paddle-dicksword

>>10575989
I am sure you have a local game we can find. Which quadrant of the state do you live in? NE, SW, etc.

>>10576095
Eastern Nebraska, by the two big cities. Rest of the state is almost entirely farmland

>>10576095
>Is the head a legal target?
>the head is invalid
Why are amerifats so afraid of being bonked with boffers?

>>10575878
>>10576095

So the system is Amtgard, though Dagorhir is also in our area.
Amtgard - no headshots at all, rather low shield manipulation, many sources of bypass
Dag - headshots with ranged weapons, lots of allowable shield manipulation, few sources of bypass. Also allows wearing the shield on the back.

Amtgard would also put a limit of max 2 ft width, which doesn't feel like a back-breaking requirement for a kite.

I have over 10 yrs in Amtgard and I've seen across boffer games that flat circles are the 'meta' for lack of a better term.

Gropey's picture is almost exactly what I had in mind. Maybe hybrid punch and strap configurations.

Since our local scene is rather sparse, I'm worried that my friend might just get rocked at larger events where people that travel in typically have experience. If, especially for newer players, a kite makes no difference to a circle I figure that I might as well make my friend happy.

>>10576403
Since some American games allow younger players (14+) I've noticed that its a lot easier to get parents on board once safety systems like 'arrows are wide enough that they can't enter the eye socket' and 'the head is not a legal target' get introduced.

I understand that not every group allows young players, but I do think its relevant to consider the kid crowd and their less-enthused parents.

If it were my decision we might have a discussion on other mitigations, like period helmets. Then you get into the discussion of spending money (gasp) on LARPs, which we sadly see come up far too often.

Quick question, can I use WD40 to prevent rust on my helmets ?

>>10576570
Yes and no. WD40 also washes away whatever protective coating the armour might have had, so you'll have to keep spraying every two weeks or so to keep it safe. Ballistol generally works better.

>>10576590
Just ordered some of it, thank you sir.

Got a friend who's looking to commission a Joseon mail shirt, pic related. It seems like most armorers work mainly in plate, while I haven't heard much about people commissioning mail--rather, the approach seems to be getting it off-the-shelf and adjusting it oneself.

Any suggestions on manufacturers who might be suited for this, and what sort of price range to expect? This would be shipping to the States, and said friend is prepared to pay for international.

>>10577153
Could ask around on some of the bohurt groups on Facebook like "Steel Fighting Equipment for Sale (HMB, IMCF, ACS, ACW)" there's a few Ming guys over there who might be able to help.

Sharukhan has something close to it with
http://www.sharukhanmarket.com/plate-and-mail-armour/

And donjon.ru has baktherets https://donjon.ru/product/bahterec-ak/ which are close as well.

Against some odds I made it. People liked my generic medieval high fantasy non-mechanic nordic larp and my playerbase grew!

>>10577988

Congratulations lad.

>>10575878
Eh. I'm a career shield fighter, and I have zero issue putting down my shield and beating most people down with a long sword or polearm equivalent.

Shields aren't op, they're just closer to idiot proof than most styles- and most LARP fighters are idiots, so it over performs until people git gud.

>>10576403
INSURANCE. also our LARPs are populated by kids who've never done sports, been in a fight, or voluntarily gone outside before. People think they're made of concussion prone glass

>>10577153
>Where
Ask in buhurt/steel fighting league groups. They'll know someone. A LOT of the good shops will take commissions to do whatever you have in mind, it's finding one that'll make mail you might struggle with.

>How much
A lot. Mail means a fuckload of labor and they're going to need to design the thing and deal with wastage.

Just ordered a pair of indian made riveted mail mittens.

Very excited to see how much of a disaster I'm getting

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