/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10524652
>Both my gifts from this SS are stuck in the mail, won't be here til mid Jan
>Only one of my gift getters posted, the other is radio silent
>my gift from another lolita SS came, 5 candy canes and a Vanilla bean candle from B&BW
>I don't even like vanilla

I knew 2020 was going to end terribly, but not like this

>>10524661
Oops, enjoy the free cat tax

#6241 and #4072, your gifts have FINALLY been picked up!

#6241, you are an international match for me, so I have paid for express which is ~supposed~ to be 2 - 4 days usually, but I think the lack of flights in and out of my country will likely delay that.

#4072, we are mutual matches! Yours I have sent by overnight courier, so hopefully you get it tomorrow!

3013 here! Sorry for the late posting, one of the cats dragged your package out from under the tree and we couldn’t find it. I love it so much! The little acrylic stand is so cute and I’m so happy you found it, I smile every time I look at it. I also can’t believe you found the cat ears and tail set, literally the best gift I received this year thank you so much! The kumya headband is already decorating my room. Thanks for being a great santa <3

>>10524670
4072 here, so excited! I sent you an instagram message, by the way!

>>10524672
So relieved to hear from you! I'm really glad you like everything because when I managed to finally find something from your wishlist I was so excited, even if it took up the entire tier price to purchase haha
I really hope I got your best boy right! It was surprisingly difficult to find merch for some reason.

5955 -

I don't know what to say. You have absolutely spoiled me! The clothes fit perfectly and I love everything, the Swimmer accessories are so cute!
You said you have a different style but you chose so well, the LL dress and AF skirt are just beautiful.
I'm so happy with these items, I would have been content with even just a quarter of these gifts for the tier they're in!
Also I chuckled, those wristcuffs are a staple shop for UK lolitas - and they're definitely going to go great with my navy coords!

Thank you so much Santa! You've outdone yourself.

$30-40 tier.

>>10524707
(Forgot to put that I'm 2154)
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To N (sorry I couldn't see your number anywhere!) -

I love the presents you got for me! The sweets were finished pretty much instantly on Christmas day haha.

The LL cardigan and skirt make an adorable co-ord, I forgot to put down that I needed more cardigans actually, so this was a godsend! The DML skirt looks amazing too, it was exactly what I was after.

I love the little Hime neko plush, she'll join her older sister in my collection~

The poster and pins are brilliant. The sparkly bunny girls literally stole my heart. Special shout-out to the precious kitties and the cute little froggy house, they made me melt inside!

This was an adorable gift to unwrap on Christmas day, thank you so much!

$100+ tier.

Last but not least, I received one of my cards from 5613 (I'm still waiting on two others to arrive).

It's absolutely adorable, and I literally squealed at the sparkly kitten stickers!
Don't worry about the sweets, I'm more than happy with what you sent - shipping is ridiculous.

Your handwriting is so pretty, and I adore the little drawings you included!
I'm hoping to write back (soon) (TM).
Thank you!

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I'm still waiting on all my card matches and my gift match to post.

4700 - tracking shows your gift arrived before Christmas, did you get it? Please let me know what you think!

>>10524707
this gift is so cohesive and cute. Can I get the deets on that dress??
>>10524712
That cardigan is adorable. Would love a sauce on the kitten/tea pins.

>>10524723
DA but https://kkotgaru.com/

>>10524398
I opened your gift on Christmas! What's your number though? I didn't see one in the package (could be blind)

>>10524969
You needed to post a photo of what you received when you opened it, not waited for your sender to ASK you to do it, what the fuck. Even if you didn't have the number the sender could have replied and let you know.

I couldn't find your ID but thank you so much for the wonderful gifts! I'm happy to have you as a Santa again! Your card was so sweet and I love the wrapping paper you used.
I've always been curious about Milky Ange so I'm really happy to have the headdress, and it's neat how they've made it convertible. I love the ribbon barrettes and hair combs! I wore the pompom one to work today. The mask is super cute and such a good idea for upcycling too.
The sheet masks are much appreciated, I really need some extra skincare right now. Especially excited to try the one with the weird face packaging too since I've seen it around a lot haha.
The chocolates are delicious and I'm excited to use the tea infuser, it's much cuter than the one I have now.
Thank you again, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

($30-40 tier)

>>10524969
I wrote your number and the price tier on a note in the package for you so you could know which tier it was and use it for pics. If this is Karl, it should say "#9616 - $100+ tier" You should have had two boxes worth of gifts.

6241 you.. your amazing. The fact that we talk daily and are close is crazy how you were able to remain with the secrets about this!! You are pretty fantastic though so I’m not entirely surprised :) thank you incredibly much for all of it, the drawings, stickers, bracelet I plan on wearing today for good luck at an interview, and of course the Listen Flavor shirt!! The design is beyond cute. Thank you so much. I hope your holiday was amazing, and your new year is better than this last. Happy holidays ~

>>10524969
you opened it but didn't post it and just left your santa hanging??

>>10522727
Yay! Im so glad you loved everything! I really was worried so I'm so relieved haha. I almost kept that coat for myself it was so cute! I wear gothic and i wear darker colors in my everyday life so it was a total departure from the norm for me. Merry Christmas!

From : 5878 Tier $75-100
Thanks for all the wonderful Gifts!
The Waifu-Pi will be a RetroArch machine and a media box for when I'm traveling. I love the dress you got me and it's a perfect fit. I can't wait to taste the chocolates too! Your gifts have really saved me from post xmas depression! Hope you have a great 2021 as well! <3

>>10524692
It’s an amazing gift, I honestly would have been happy with just the cat ears but it’s so nice of you to give more. You absolutely got my best boy right!

#5878, you nearly made me cry. ;_; Not only is the envelope super cute and the card lovely and elegant, but then I opened it.
And really the only reason I didn't let out an embarrassing fangirl squeak is that my breath caught. Like really. The Allen Walker you drew is just ... wow! You have such a great drawing style, I can't stop staring at him. (The card is lying besides me on the bedside table atm and even while writing this I can't help glancing over again and again with a stupid smile on my face, haha.) And your message was so nice too! Thank you so so much for this lovely Christmas card! ;_;

#5910, thank you so much! what a wonderful assortment of treats! can't wait to use everything, the bag especially!

>>10525271
You bet I did!
Everything here is amazing! It's all so thoughtful!
The Pokémon stuff is great because I'll use it, and the shirt especially is gonna be my go to for a lot of events now (you're right, the patterning is fantastic!). The material is a little weird, but it really just means I'll need to hand wash it, which is no problem at all. It even came with some root beer gum (which I'd NEVER had before) and it tasted great.
You special ordered so much of it too! I had to break out Google translate a few times to make sure everything was accounted for. It was also clear with the text on the shirt bag that a lot of this was something special, haha.
The books are fantastic! You really made sure to get a good look at my interests and really rolled with them, it's such a thoughtful gift really, every time I opened a package I was waaaay too excited to open the next one. I'll get some great use out of them.

Really, really great job gull, I feel very spoiled, this is something amazing.

I wanted your number so I could address you more directly (and thank you more directly) but after I saw that you were more interested in me just posting, I made sure to put this together so everyone could see this in all its glory.

Thank you so much, Merry Christmas, and I hope you have a wonderful 2021!

Tier: $100

>>10525741
Yay! I am so glad you like everything and thankyou for posting!

>>10524969
What is wrong with you ?post it Jesus. The entire point of this .

>>10525933
that Gengar shirt is amazing, best pokémon!

>>10525976
Not your giftee but may I ask where you got that adorable chick necklace from?

>>10525933
I'm really glad you enjoyed everything! I rarely ever shop for male-anons so your wishlist came in handy.

This is my final card to recieve. Thank you so much Z-anon! I couldn't find your ID anywhere, so maybe you can reply with that to make it easier for the organisers.

The patches are adorable, and your card was so sweet! Welcome to the fashion, please enjoy your place in it. I've also looked into Promethazine, and yes that system seems "unique" as you call it, haha. My final and most stressed praise goes to your hand drawn Noibat. You captured everything that's cute about the boom-bat pokemon, and especially the beady eyes melt my heart. Merry Christmas, and happy new year!

>>10526085
I made it! I think eventually I will open a preorder, but am still perfecting the design and getting used to using the laser cutter. But I am happy to hear you think its cute too!!

What’s the email if we want to help with grinches?

(I’m on mobile so trying to find it is proving a pain)

Omggggg thank you so much #5878 I feel so spoiled!!!! I love everything! The blouses are great as they match a bunch of different stuff in my wardrobe! The dresses are both gorgeous. And I love all the tshirts too. Had a good chuckle about Jesus and he will definitely be worn until he disintegrates! Thank you so much, you have done an amazing job shopping for me and I am so grateful!!!

(apologies for the poor quality image)

>>10526339
it's not good enough to sell yet, I'll be honest.

>new year is almost here and gift is still in USPS limbo

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>>10526466
This. I haven't gotten my christmas cards and my card match and package match haven't posted :(

My card match got theirs from me, but I still haven’t gotten my card yet. I sent mine after they did but maybe they’re in a different country. I hope it wasn’t lost

>>10526410
God damn, your santa has good taste

>>10526394

Sorry anon, I looked high and low and didnt see your ID number. Thank you for your package, the wrapping paper was adorable! The bag will fit a lot and Ive already lit the candle. Masks are always a good choice, I run thru them so quickly. Merry Christmas.
Package was from YC from IN $100+ tier

Well for cards; 5878, 5910, and 8290, I sent yours but they are coming internationally, so may take a while. I'm in the US and the postal system here has been extra backed up this year so that can't have helped.

>>10526410
I cringe at all this being on a dirty tile floor...

>>10526544
Anon.. that's a rug.

>>10526529
I hate to say it but how is this $100+ tier? Is that bag a limited edition or something?

>>10526552
The giftee seems happy so who cares what you think

>>10526529
Whenever I see posts like this I’m so glad I stopped participating. That bag looks like it’s a lucky pack bag, either your gifter is bad at shopping, lazy, or seriously grinched you. I’m sorry.

>>10526529
Seconding that you got grinched. There’s no way this all costs $100 unless they bought the most overpriced bag they could find or included shipping costs in the price. I’m sorry, anon

>>10526561
I bought that same bag for $45, so unless that plushie+candle is $55, op got MEGA Grinched

>>10526560
Are you the gifter? Anon doesn’t seem happy, just polite. “Merry Christmas” didn’t even get an exclamation point.

>>10526529
My ID number is 5177. I hope the candle smells really nice! If you don't like something please let me know and I'll replace it!

>>10526567
>>10526552
>>10526598

Am the gifter. I did indeed spend more than 100. As long as they are happy I'm happy.

>>10526585
>>10526552
>>10526567

NYART but I wanted to do a quick Google search and

Bag - $45 (according to >>10526585)
Link Plush - $25
Goose Creek Candle - $18 ($28 MSRP, but the cheapest I could find currently is on sale at $18)
Tony Moly Set- $16

Total (not counting masks) - $104

Anon didn't get grinched unless the candle and the facial care stuff aren't things they asked for/showed interest in.

>>10526614
Disclainer: I think the OP gift is fine because the bag looks to be in very good condition and the $45 one I can see on WW is C condition.

That said, I don't think non-CGL items like candles and creams should be included in total counts. This is a CGL-themed Santa, so stuff like that is purely bonus in my mind.

Your gifts are awesome, I'm going to participate next year

>>10526614
Majority of their gift was filler stuff .. which is fine but not towards the majority of the gifts value . Especially in the 100 plus tier.
Maybe they don't know how to shop for girls? Either way anon those items should've been filler . I understand not everyone can afford to gift a lot but that's why we have tiers . Even another bag or a shirt and a figure could still make the 100 dollar value and then some snacks.if you giftee is happy that's all that matters but if that was me personally I'd be upset .I love zelda and candles too.

>>10526649
If anon does not like her gift I will happily replace it, I have no problem with it. I've participated the last several years and done fine so I guess I missed the mark this year. It's OK if I have to buy more I just want them to be happy!

>>10526611
Yup, I believe you. Handbags are expensive and some of the rest of that looks bespoke.

>>10526621
>everything not CGL-themed is bonus
bows for everyone!

>>10526621
>That said, I don't think non-CGL items like candles and creams should be included in total counts. This is a CGL-themed Santa, so stuff like that is purely bonus in my mind.
Don’t put down other interests if you don’t want to receive gifts related to them.

>>10526650
I mean it's fine in that it's not against the rules, and if your giftee is happy then ok. But for the sake of clarity here's why you're getting criticism--you just kind of missed the mark for the spirit of the event. Are you a crossboarder/on the cosplay side only? You spent $100 and at least got her a decent bag and the plush is cute so I wouldn't call you a grinch or anything. But if you compare your gift to these two 100+ tier examples >>10524712 >>10518547 or even this $30-40 tier >>10524707 where their gifter got them multiple clothing items in their preferred style, accessories cohesive with their wardrobe information, and then extras like skincare/etc are more filler items on top of the price to round the gift out. And >>10525933 is a great example of a non-jfash rounded gift for $100+ tier--lots of items covering multiple interest, with clear thought put into each of them for how you'll use them, and extra care taken in presentation.

If you want to spend about $100 on everything including extras, I'd say this gift is more in line with what you'd expect for a $75-100 tier not the $100+. The $100+ option was added for people who want to go actually above $100 to spoil their giftee vs hovering just at the cap, close to the lower tier (and if you did spend significantly more than $100 w/o shipping, you may want to spend more time browsing for deals). If you're not sure about what to buy someone with different interests for you, the threads and the coordinators have always been very open and encouraging for people to run gift ideas by them or assist with matching your purchases to your giftee's style. Unless they had that plush specifically as a wishlist, items less related to cosplay/jfash are usually intended for extras not main big gift component.

I would recommend you do this next year or stay in the lower tiers instead of signing up for every tier you can just because you can, unless you're actually willing to put in the extra effort.

>>10526683
I'm not mad at the criticism at all haha. I actually appreciate your (and everyone's) crit and will take it into consideration if I decide to apply next year.

I'm not a cross-border just maybe I didn't do so good this year which is on me which is why I said I'm more than willing to buy more if things don't seem up to par.

I'm not mad at anyone i think it's good that some people let me know their concerns.

>>10526693
I hope this doesn't come across as being passive aggressive (hope it didn't) I really do mean that I'm glad some people were concerned and that I'm happy for the criticism so I know to do better than this year. I just hope anon is happy lol

>>10526466
same, tracking for my 100+ gift hasn't updated in 2 weeks and afaik my other gift hasn't been mailed out yet

>>10526339
Great work anon! I can't wait to see how it looks once you've perfected it

>>10526410
This is cute, but please clean your floor.

>>10526466
Same. My $75-100 gift was supposed to be delivered on Monday but it's delayed (with no estimate for arrival) because USPS is still overwhelmed with Christmas deliveries.

>>10526611
I think they're being polite... given other photos of 100 tier I'd feel left down by your gift.

MY PACKAGE GOT STOLEN, FUCK

Santa you went above and BEYOND, omg

Where to begin? 1st of all, Amazing taste in figures, 2013 racing Miku is iconic and I'm glad you got her! The Sepang version of that year is one of my all time favs! Speaking of favs, I don't know how you knew, but you got me the figure that's the companion to my other Tatio Store Miku! Tatio has been killing it with their Mikus the past few years and this one is so CUTE! The detailing on here is amazing for a prize figure, and is way better than some of my scale figures.

The embroidered Miku you made is STUNNING, everyone in my family is impressed by it! My Grandma really loves it since embroidery is her favorite hobby. It's literally on my wall atm.

One of the pack of stickers you got me, the Rilakkuma Sleepy Time one, is the same as the skin I just ordered for my switch lite! Everything else is on point with my likes! Including the paper humidifier and erasers, that shit is right up my alley!

And the headband/choker thing from BTSSB is SO CUTE! It matches like, everything in my closet!!

My mom says she loves the chocolate mushroom you sent, wish I could have had some lmao

Thank you, so so so much! This is actually incredible

package for my giftee is stuck in postage hell too. i feel so bad because i shipped on the deadline and other packages i sent out later have been delivered.

>>10526871
Oops, forgot to mention: This was the $30-$40 tier

Here's a bonus pic of how the box came, it gave me a heart attack when I saw it

>>10526529
This is bad for the $100+ tier.
The Santa who sent this got a far better gift for the same tier - how is that fair?

Before anyone says the anon is happy, most people are non-confrontational and secretly wouldn't be happy with this at all but don't want to make a fuss and cause any perceived trouble.
For the effort they have put into the highest expensive tier for their giftee, they don't deserve this.

And anon >>10526683 I would disagree that this would be 75-100 tier, it can barely pass for the 50-75 tier.
The bag is fine, the link plushie is a gray area on whether it could count as part of a main gift, and the others are definitely just filler and can't be counted in the tier price at all.
Lots of people put down little interests in their forms for little fillers, if you can't distinguish what is acceptable you probably shouldn't be taking part in the SS.

Santa organisers, I would love to try and make up for this giftee if that's okay? I can email you directly if you give me the go ahead.

Just want to say I'm not trying to make the gifter feel bad, but in terms of the gift received for this tier I think it only counts as half.
Have you ever done this tier before or checked what counts in the tier? You can look at pictures of previous years too. There's always the option to ask the Santas what counts as part of the present if you're not sure.

>>10526903
Anon, we get what you mean, but fair is fair. If the giftee really has a problem with it they'll take it up with the organizers, furthermore they've learned and understand more for the future.
If you really want to pitch in and give them something extra, email the organizers privately instead of bringing that dirty laundry into the thread.

>>10526421
id buy it.

>>10526903
god you sound selfish af.

>>10526941
Enjoy your wonky chick-chan ripoff.

>>10526903
$100+ spent seems pretty straight forward. NTA, but just because everyone else is spending more and exceeding the 100 amount significantly, doesn't mean everyone has to.

>>10526949
100+ could mean $101 kek

#1853, thank you for the lovely card and goodies! Everything was so nicely wrapped and decorated, love all the cute stickers. The tea sounds amazing and I can't wait to try the bath bomb and cute sheet mask. The face mask will come in very handy! Thank you for the sweet letter too, I'll be writing back. Happy holidays and New Year!

>>10526952
Which is still over 100.

>>10526874>>10526874
I'm so happy it finally came to you! I'm super miffed all my packages to my matches were freaking manhandled, I think next time I'm going to quadruple tape down everything. I'm so happy you liked your gifts! Embroidered Miku was basically my first attempt at a project like that, I'm so happy everyone liked it! I don't blame your mom for stealing them, I was half tempted to keep them and not send them out lol. I'm super surprised at how nice the prize figure is! I'm just really glad you liked everything

Everyone has such sweet thought out gifts and I eally think i got completely grinched . Last year was a really last minute obviously rushed gift. but I didn't think it was worth making a big deal about but this time I really feel like I got grinched but I'm too acared to post and make my Santa feel bad..I sent a message to you guys.

>>10526998
You did an amazing job on that miku, like no joke she's beautiful!!!


I had one package come completely flattened, so it's not just you

>>10526952
Then you should be in the $75-100 tier.

>>10526561
>>10526567
Rude. Stuff adds up, it shouldn't be expected to spend way over the price bracket
>>10526614
The items could've been better, like some hair bows instead of candles. But a non loli risks pulling a Karl when they try to pick random "frilly" stuff

my giftee's package said it was delivered before christmas in their mailbox but they haven't posted yet. what do

>>10527040
Post their number and ask for an update?

>>10527013
Post it

>>10527065
Do not do this
>>10527013
Make sure you contact the organizers, they're pretty great.

>>10526949
>>10527034

No one is saying to spend over. They can spend exactly $100 and still get a nice gift. Buy a couple of AP socks or get something nice from taobao, not candles and skincare.
Still doesn't count.

The gifter is a lolita, she definitely knows what she's doing.

>>10526964
I’m so happy you enjoyed everything i picked!! I will look out for your letter but also maybe wait til mid Jan? To maybe avoid all of the holiday craze heh. Hope your holidays were great!

I'm still waiting on my match to post that they got their card. I'm worried it got lost or just been stuck in the mailing system :c.

>>10527115
Thanks. I did... . Hopefully I can just go to grinched list. I had bad feelings the first time I talked to them and then when I saw my box on my door step . I'm glad everyone else at least got gifts filled with love ..

>>10527340
what's your match's number? I'm still waiting for a card and I'm sure others may be as well

To my SS from Scotland (either I'm blind or I didn't see an ID): oh my god, I am SQUEAKING sitting here after having opened your card! ;-; (And I'm usually no squeaking person.)
You absolutely hit it, I love everything!
The stickers, the cute Pocky pen, the sweets, the soft baby chicken, the doggo writing pad, the face mask...thank you so so much! It brightened my day so much and makes me so happy! I'd be happy to chat about danmei with you!

>>10527714
I've received 2 of 4 cards by now.
The postal system is probably still pretty overwhelmed and slow, especially for cards.

To #5613: I just checked the tracking on your card/package and it hasn't changed in nearly two weeks. ;-; Now I'm not sure if the tracking is just not updating or if the card is really still stuck.

Didn’t received a card still and was never mentioned on those threads. I already received pretty much almost all my friends cards and other secret santa cards from other exchanges.

Hope I’m not doomed.

>>10527727
>MDZS
Excellent tastes

Tracking on my 100+ gift hasn't updated in pretty much a month and I've had no word of my 30-40 tier being shipped yet

>>10527727
Ah I thought I put my ID 2154 somewhere, my bad!
I'm glad you like all the little extras and it made your day better!
I think I left my email but I have Line/WeChat/Weibo as well as normal social media if you wanna talk without giving out personal info! It'd be great to have a fellow BL friend <3

>tfw everybody is bitching about people not posting photos
>i haven’t because i received mine, opened it intending to take photos when i got home from work
>never got to pick it up because i have covid and i can’t go to that address until i have the all clear
>terrified my gifter thinks i’m an asshole

>>10527968
Just say your ID and explain the situation so they're not thinking that?

>>10527968
literally could have added your ID to your comment and you'd have given your gifter a decent update on why you haven't posted yet and removed their worries.

the people who are 'bitching' are rightfully doing so because its plain rude to leave people in the dark for so long? Its basic communication people...

#2154
All the stuff you sent me was so adorable and cute! The cat stickers are immediately going all over my sewing machine and I’ve already found a use for the bows. I’m making a Lolita inspired Princess Peach and I’ve already added them all over the dress.

>>10526157 #
I’m glad you liked it!
Sorry it’s my first year participating and I’ll know to put my number on there for next year

1/2 cards posted
1/1 gift posted
0 cards received
0 gift received
This is fine

Thank you so much for the lovely card and letter #1383! I'm so excited to try all the snacks. The fabric clips will be super handy! I have some larger ones but none this small. And I don't think I mentioned that I love blue/gold in my form, so the hair accessories were a pleasant surprise. Happy New Year!

>>10528329
I think we had the same card santa! :)
This was much more than I expected from a card #1383! The cat card is so cute and I still think it counts as Christmasy with red/gold x) The pearl necklace is so perfect and I'm looking forward to wear. And thank you so much for the local snacks! The chocolate treats are sooo good! Hope your Christmas holidays were nice and wish you all the best for this year <3

#7239 thank you so much for this lovely card! The illustration is so nice and thoughtful! I can't belive you included both my dream dress and my cat <3 And you managed to get correctly the derpy face she makes in 99% of the photos I take of her xD Will need to get a frame for it and then it's going on my desk! Also thank you for the tea and stickers. I actually love peach so I'm excited to try the tea tonight :) Also hope your Christmas holidays were wonderful and a Happy New Year!

What's the organizers email ? Need to message them

>>10528598
Feel free to contact me and/or cglSecretSanta2018@gmail.com

lol, maybe next year we can do tiers a little better. 0-25, 25-50, 50-100, and a 125+. so people don't feel bad when people in the 100+ tier don't feel bad if they just go slightly over $100. All my gifts in the $50-75 tier always adds up to around $90 every year.

>>10528447
I'm happy to see that you received it, and I'm so glad you like everything! I hope the tea was to your taste as well!

>>10525650
Wow, gothic is completely on the other size of the spectrum from my bunnies and Bambis. You did amazing!

>>10525650
Where did you get the bunny coat? I know someone who would absolutely love it.

>>10528814
Nayrt, but it's a Baby coat, so probably second hand

>>10528814
as thr gift recipient, I can tell you it's by the brand Honey Cinnamon, but idk the specific item name

>>10528814
>>10528847
Gulls, I'm officially retarded. Thought this was about the 100+ tier gift with the pink Baby coat and I was being helpful, sorry.

>>10524712
How can I find the skirt on the right with the ribbons? This is all so beautiful

>>10528863
nayrt but it's liz lisa

>>10528847
I bought if off of lacemarket, but it is HoneyCinnamon!

>>10528873
It was a great find! They don't have it on their site and I saw a resale site that says it was sold early November 2020, so that must have been you!

A week and a half after my last gift said "arriving late" it still hasn't budged. Godspeed to any other gulls in a similar boat.

I dont think I'm going to do this next year. I really get excited each year and each year I get literally the worst gifts compared to everyone . This is my second time doing the 100 tier and literally 0 effort . I give so much info in my applications and my likes are pretty much the same as everyone else here . My santas never talk to me. they never even write me a card with their packages. Ii don't know. Just feels really shitty and it doesn't matter because as long as they spend the amount required , it's fine. Doesn't matter if it's barely acceptable. This sucks . I just would like to have been able to experience this like everyone else... but every year it's the same. I don't even expect to get brando ...but still. Every year it's just random crap that's kind of related to my interests . Just enough random stuff to hit the amount required. I feel so left out.

>>10529756
If you’re on the white list, the chances of you getting a more tailored and thoughtful gift goes up. Maybe next year? I kind of feel the same way but I actually enjoy picking out and putting together a great gift that I know my giftee will love. It’s half giving , half receiving.

I received a cute card today from #5873 ! What a nice coincidence to receive a card from you, I’m very excited to try the teas out at work and I love innisfree face masks. Your card brought a smile to my face and I love all the cute stickers, Marie is a favorite! Would you mind if I sent you a letter in return sometime? Thanks again!

>>10529756
is this the puvi anon

>>10529771
To your disappointment, no that’s not me

$30-40 tier
The pusheen hat seems comfy! Im a little sad I already have the patterns but I can probably pass them along to a friend. Thank you! Merry Christmas!

>>10529790
Damn can we ban this dude....

>>10529797
anon seems to like it but also yikes

>>10529790
Wtf. Might actually be 30$ but that is so low effort.

>>10529790
This is what your high school/college weeb friend gets you when they heard you like lolita and did no research.

>>10529803
...

I'm actually a little surprised though, I said on my form I'd prefer to be matched with people in the same hobby (j-fashion). I'm a little sad I didn't get a fashion match, since so many people got so many cute gifts.

>>10529803
If you dont like it I don't think the organizers would care. As long as it hits the money value then it doesn't matter. Which sucks because people who throw in easy gifts, get away with because money value .They were really strict about this few years ago.

>>10529790
Wow this is awful, I’d be upset and offended if someone sent me something that said “bitches love bows”

>>10529820
nayrt but everyone very much did care just 2 years ago, when this very same gifter (Karl) completely missed the mark for the first time giving a gift and the girl he sent a load of bows and a 20$ bill to did get another gift even though the value was actually proven to be way over the tier. It was deemed a grinch not of money value but of missing the mark/low effort.

This gift is already a vast improvement over that first one though, at least those patterns are actually lolita ones.

>>10529833
Why were they allowed to participate again, if they're already known for being a shitty gift-giver? Shouldn't they be banned?

>>10529790
Those patterns look ita af and cost like $5 at the most. Your santa couldn't even be assed to buy you some etsy headgear

>>10529843
They were given a second chance to give a new gift to their match, and their second gift was way better.

It was ultimately seen as a case of a guy that didn't know any better since he really went over budget on his first gift, he just genuinely thought lolitas loved bows. ofc this is the short version, it was full cgl drama at the time and the 'bitches love bows' as well as people going 'is this Karl?' thing are memes that sprouted from it all.

>>10529756
One of my gifty got my gift and never posted and this is on top of them barely giving any info whatsoever in their form.

If the mods need extra help, then let me volunteer, bc it seems like A LOT of people need to be blacklisted after this.


Especially that "bitches love bows" dude. Who tf give JoAnn patterns???

>>10529833
I thought that was Travis? Then again Karl did completely ignore his Santa for days and didn't post the gifts he got until people started getting on his case for it.

>>10529851
>>10529846
When will we finally ban men from this exchange?

>>10529851
Nah definitely Karl. I have to say I am surprised as well that he was allowed to join again for what seems to be multiple tiers. Although he made up for his first mistake that time, I'm pretty sure the organizers had to help him a lot with putting together his better gift. I'd think it would prove he wasn't meant for a cgl ss. Unless the current organizers had no idea of who he was, I feel he really shouldn't have been matched with any lolitas. iirc the first girl got so caught up in the drama she posted her entire form online to prove that she did not in fact ask for a big batch of bows

>>10529864
I actually was matched to Karl and he did have cosplay listed but nothing else regarding Jfashion so I'm puzzled as to why he got matched with Jfashion gulls. It's just asking for trouble. I mean I'm not a sweet lolita so I'd have a hard time shopping for them even though I enjoy oldschool gothic and ouji. I can't imagine shopping for someone when I don't even participate in ANY jfashion.

>>10529790
So gulls any coord ideas

>>10529790
WHY do random crossboarding men participate. do they think that a lolita will just adore their pusheen hat and joannes patterns so much, the lolita will be their gf? are they so starved for female attention that they pant over the idea of receiving a gift from a female in the mail? i'm honestly dumbfounded

>>10529790
This reaction is why people with shitty gifts keep being allowed to apply to be Santa’s.

>>10529893
I think if it was men into jfashion or cosplay and they really tried to do a good job it would be a really fun thing to do just like it is for gulls, but the examples given show a bit of a lack of understanding/effort. To be fair, most men I have known except my boyfriend are bad at giving non-normie gifts.

Just reading all the comments, I think we will make a poll and revise the rules for future. I'll set up a Google Form and post it soonish?

People are ~SUPPOSED~ to post photos of their gifts to the thread and it is included in the rules, but has never been a blacklist offence to not do it, just highly frowned upon. Do we think this should now been changed to "No photo = blacklist?"
If the match doesn't like the gift, is this a blacklist offence, even if the gifter spent well over the value?
Should short or poorly filled out forms be ignored?
Is wrapping paper and a card a requirement?

Would it be rude/ bad to include some photos of gifts from the thread and emails to ask what peoples thoughts were and if they are thought the gifts are blacklist, if they are good for the tier, if they are OTT for the tier, or if the receiver has been grinched?

Please let me know some other issues you would like revised. I think it will be easier in a Google Form as we can have multi-choice and then a suggestions box for proper feedback as well. The threads are hard to gauge who is saying what and a lot of the time I doubt some of the people screaming are even participators. But SaltySnowball also likes to make graphs on the info, so it will be easy to interpret while remaining anonymous when shared!

>>10529909
the thing about not liking the gift sent despite its value is kind of a case by case basis and i can't think how thered be hard and fast rules. but when it's bad, it's pretty obvious, no?

like what's happening upthread, like the puvithel fiasco, etc. i think those kinds of gifts are blacklistable, but other anons will weigh in

>>10529909
definitely a good idea!

>>10529909
> "No photo = blacklist?"
Yes

>If the match doesn't like the gift, is this a blacklist offence, even if the gifter spent well over the value?
This should be case by case but should be fairly obvious for examples like the "Bitches love Bows" jackass

>Should short or poorly filled out forms be ignored?
Yes. You can have a system to ask them to re-fill the form.

>Is wrapping paper and a card a requirement?
Highly suggested without extenuating circumstances

>Would it be rude/ bad to include some photos of gifts from the thread and emails...
No, this sounds like a good idea.

>>10529909
These are great questions and maybe even a suggestion box at the end of the form would be great, as a participant of many years I was in the understanding that all gifts and cards must be posted. Personally I would say if you’re under a certain tier a gift wouldn’t have to be wrapped if it was coming straight from the store, but I know others who would argue against this so I think the poll would be great.

>>10529931
>>Should short or poorly filled out forms be ignored?
>Yes. You can have a system to ask them to re-fill the form.
Also, a sample filled form would be good to provide so people know what is expected and can get ideas from it.

>>10529909
This is a good idea, but I think some of the issues raised are more black and white while others are in-between and up for personal debate.

There does seem to be a common census when a gift doesn't seem quite 'right' though, it's just a matter of "Does this warrant the gifter having tier restrictions or being blacklisted?" which I think should be considered on a case by case basis by the circumstances.

Here's three examples I can think of.

1. Puvithel. They gifted a top tier, met the requirements, but they gifted their own brand. Not worth taking action against because it was in the rules. However, they then got the same person next year and did the exact same thing and the giftee complained.
>This case the giftee was within the rules but personal preferences came into play.

2. Karl, who seems to be a point of issue this year. Karl has a history of gifting things that don't suit the people he's matched with. He was given another chance and allowed tiers this year. He gifted things slightly related to the Jfashion theme but common consensus was that it was a bad gift and that he hadn't learned from previous years when he did the same thing. Cosplay and Jfashion are the core of the event, people expect their gifters to know a basic amount about these two subjects. He also didn't post his gifts received when he received them, or at Christmas, and had to be reminded to do it. This also goes against one of the core themes of the event.
>This case, the giftee didn't lodge a complaint but the event participants did based on the gifter's past history.

3. The one anon a few years ago who got into financial troubles and admitted that rather than gift away her own possessions to fulfill her tier, she coveted them too much and instead gifted expired food, drink mix, old cookbooks, a chocolate mold, and used cosmetic products.
>This case, the gifter blatantly grinched by event rules.

>>10529937
Ran out of room but basically in the 3rd example, it's a blatant violation of rules.

The first case is whether personal preference of the giftee or the feeling of being personally grinched outweighs the rules.

The second case is an example of whether the event participants as a whole can deem someone grinched/under-tiered by popular opinion or deem someone blacklisted by their actions/history.

It's really something to think about when things aren't as black and white as the rules make things to be.

>>10529937
The puvithel case was kind of outside the rules; puvi didn't gift things from her brand in good faith, she gifted stuff that wasn't an interest of the giftee/I believe some stuff they even specifically didn't like. The value is irrelevant because it's stuff that cost her no money/was from her own brand where she dictates the price/value and it feels shady if she isn't really known as a decent lolita related brand in the first place.

>>10529892
You're shitting me.. you actually got those?! Is that what's in the box in the pic?!

>>10529790
>>10529892
This went from a very underwhelming gift to being absolutely blacklistable in my opinion. I'm furious on your behalf, gull.

>>10529940
iirc she gifted the minimum cost with things from other brands and her own items were just a bonus, but the gift was still iffy in the same way as >>10529790

>>10529944
I think there was some debate as to whether she really met the minimum but that probably has more to do with some people being not good at budgeting well when shopping/getting deals while seasoned lolitas are and know what things are worth or how cheap they can be gotten from certain places.

>>10529942
The bows are clearly a joke referencing an earlier year.

>>10529946
The joke would have been more tasteful and recieved better if it was like some cute lolita or jfashion brand, indie, or etsy bows or headbows, not some jojo siwa children's cheer ribbons.

>>10529946
Yeah but compared with the other gifts that gull got, it's damn insulting. $30-40 tier with a "2 for $10" Simplicity sale patterns and a Pusheen hat. Like if he wanted to be funny he could have at least splurged on the tier and gotten her some great gifts and tossed those in after.

It's a shitty gift and the "lawl meme" aspect of it just makes it worse.

>>10529790
Is this Karl again or just someone pretending to be him? I thought he cleaned up his act already.

>>10529951
This. The sparseness and quality of the rest of the gift makes the bows feel like they're mocking the giftee, rather than making a funny joke about their own previous mistakes.

>>10529954
Popular opinion seems to be it's Karl but OP hasn't had who their gift is from.

>>10529892
Wtf. The gifter didn't even bother buying one quality now? These are literally gift wrap decorative bows. Jesus Christ grinch af. I am so sorry.

Anyone have a pic of Karl's first gift 2 years ago? Pretty sure it was legit the same kind of bows

>>10529956
It's Karl

Does anyone have screencaps of puvi gifts?

>>10529958
I found one of Karl's gifts from last year. Compare this to what he sent out this year..

>>10529966
Similar hand writing but I'm not an expert.

>>10529966
If there is actual makeup in that box, jeffrey star stuff can cost way more than even liscensed pusheen merch...somehow this year's gift is worse.

>>10529944
>iirc she gifted the minimum cost with things from other brands and her own items were just a bonus

This is not true, almost everything was her own brand with only a few things that still weren’t related to the giftees interests were included. Just saying as i remember this very clearly.

>>10529946
Yeah but that still doesn’t make it okay because those aren’t even loliable.

>>10529958
Don’t have a pic but it should be in the previous SS album, i remember them being the same shitty cheerleader bows.

The infamous "I spent $120 on bows" gift from Karl.

>>10529974
This was also, ironically enough, a $30-40 tier gift.

>>10529974
Is Karl on the spectrum/genuinely low IQ or something?

>>10529976
Honestly not the first time this had been brought up considering the handwriting and the lack of understanding.

>>10529975
Damn, he used taobao and couldn't manage to find better items with bows for $120?!?! Karl confirmed for double digit IQ.

>>10529974
HOLY SH-

that's all she got?!


how on earth was he not blacklisted?

>>10529980

Probably because generally men are stupid and women have too much empathy and pity for the stupid.

I feel bad for Karl . He did miss the mark but a guy buying gifts for girls is already usually bad. I don't think be should be banned however I think he should ONLY be allowed to participate if an organizer helps him pick stuff for his people .

>>10529984

At that point what's the point? Allowing him to take part so he doesn't feel bad? The organizer might as well just be a santa themselves with their own money.

>>10529984
>i dont think he should be banned
on one hand, he doesn't have ill intentions. on the other, if a woman sent these kinds of gifts, we'd vilify her, find her social media, and exile her from ever interacting with us ever again.

>>10529989
This. I don't hate Karl as it seems he just doesn't get it, but holding men to lower standards just makes it so they never improve.

>>10529974
At least these ones are gift wrap bows. They're loliable. How tf do you spend $120 on this though? You really have to try hard.

>>10529991
It literally just feels like a lie. Unless you got them somewhere with a big markup like Claire's, there is no way this can cost $120

>>10529987
I'm someone who matched with him too. I'm pretty much in the same boat as the seagul above.
Hes trying at least. I do feel grinched as well but I don't want him black listed. I'd rather just do the grinch check thing at the end of the month . I think that's where someone buys stuff as your new santa because you were grinched ? I'm bummed over this . But I don't want to do anything to make him feel terrible especially during the holidays.

>>10529984
see >>10529987

he effed up on his first time, was given a new chance where they probably held his poor misunderstood hand and the organizers took time out of their lives to go over his giftees form together with him to pick everything out for him to then buy and send her.

meanwhile the thread clogged up with memes, autism claimers and in the end his second gift is deemed good enough to just wipe it all under the rug? All is forgiven and not a single lesson is learnt

>>10529989 is right. If a lolita did this they'd been chased off cgl. Karl got treated with such a soft touch and too many joking around that now he legit thinks its funny/part of the joke to still send cards with that awful phrase on it as well as shitty bows and now another girl has paid the price for it with an awful gift

>>10529996
Is grinching someone not a blacklistable offense? Or if it feels accidental it's okay all of a sudden?

Feels unfair that he is presumably on the recieving end of items every year and gives disappointing things to other gulls and the response is "oh well he's trying". Like I get not wanting to make someone sad around the holidays but it's fine to be firm and assert you are not happy with it.

>>10529998
This.

If a lolita gave this gift it would be severely condemned and they would be banned.

>>10529995
I looked up the company that makes the bows, it's called Royal Classic Bowtique. I looked it up, and they only sell at like craft fairs in Plano. If the other anons receiving gifts from him are also noticing the same label, then my bet is that his mom or someone like that owns this stupid bow company and he's just getting rid of the extras. He's probably on the spectrum too.

Seriously, then just stick Karl in the card tier forever.
I'm a calm and understanding person irl, therefore I'm against a complete ban. But really, he shouldn't be allowed to do gift tiers anymore.

>>10530002
If it was the first time I'd react the way more sympathetic people are but we have minimum 3 instances of him basically grinching people including this year.

>>10529996
you'd literally just have a stranger shell out money for a new gift and let the bad gifter go off scott free, even let him do this again to someone else next year with no consequences, because you don't want HIM to feel sad? anon please the holidays are over anyway

>>10530005
I'm seconding this. I vote Karl should have be restricted to Card Tier.

He messed up with his first gifts but the organizers gave him a chance to resend gifts but with their help. By now he shouldn't have people holding his hand and the meme died despite him clinging to it with EVERY GIFT. Every gift he's sent out has had the "Bitches love bows" drawing and some shitty bows. It's unfunny at this point because in comparison, the gifts he sends are cheap and don't make his giftees happy.

Karl's attempts at being funny and loveable as a non-standard giftee just come off as insulting and upsetting.

Put him in the card tier where he can't disappoint anyone and let him have a creative outlet. No one in card tier is going to complain about getting bows because there's no financial obligation to that tier.

as the original receiver of >>10529974 I must admit I was really surprised he wasn't restricted to the lowest tier or just a card. Or that he was even allowed to enter again at all desu. While his second gift really did make up for his first, the way it dragged on and how he responded to things really still makes me think he isn't suited for a secret santa that involves other interests than cosplay or things he himself is interested in.

I agree that if he isn't going to be banned, he should be restricted to card tier. I get the joy of giving and participating but not if its been proven a few times by now that he just can't get it right. Like I'm really sorry for the other girls that have received those gifts, I know exactly how you felt opening them and seeing that card :')

>>10530015
He's been getting great gifts too if the pictures and past posts are accurate. I don't think being on the spectrum prohibits you from buying something nice. He can clearly use Taobao or whatever and understands "jokes." How hard is it to do any king of googling and find cute jfashion stuff or even ask someone else or defer to the organizers? This is just lazy and he deserves to be banned imo.

We've only seen one of Karl's gifts so far being posted and an anon got him a gift for $100+ going off pics posted.. so who had Karl as their $100+ secret santa?

Honestly maybe he's so fucked up that he likes all the negative responses his shitty gifts get. Otherwise he would have started doing something different by now. Maybe he jerks off to the idea of a bunch of women fussing over him like a fucking child. He should definitely be banned, imo.

>>10530028
>He's been getting great gifts too
This is true and it aggravates me so much. He has been giving sad gifts while getting great gifts in return, and we should feel sorry for his ineptitude to learn? No. If he wants to participate I say stick him to the lowest & card tier, and only match him with non lolitas / non jfashion, which would only be cosplay. Which speaking of i don’t even think he cosplays so why the hell is he joining in. “Appreciation of the fashion”? A lolita at heart? Don’t make me laugh. Go join /a/ for their SS.

>>10530032
I was about to suggest this but in a non sexual way. Like maybe he likes being the center of attention for a bunch of girls and a couple girls a year buying him a gift, and when he has to do it for others he can half ass it and they'll just pity him for the effort and not make enough of a fuss for him to get banned.

>>10530033
I'm Karl's santa for >>10525933 and he did have cosplay on his interests and some wigs/cosplay guides on a wishlist. Aside from cosplay though there wasn't anything really /cgl/ related. I had no idea who he was though since usually every year I'm paired up with male anons since my own tastes are pretty masculine, so I didn't think anything of it.

I do feel a little upset though that I tried really hard on his gifts and splurged on him only to find out he didn't extend the same courtesy to his own matches. A lot of his interests I weren't familiar with but I didn't want to get him all Pokemon so I tried my best to mix wishlist items with his multiple vidya interests so I don't know why he couldn't do the same for his matches. There's no excuse when all you had to do was ask for a wishlist if they didn't have one.

Honestly yeah I truly believe its a matter of not putting in any effort. I'm pretty sure all of his gifts are last-minute "lolitas like these kind of things, right?" thoughtless gifts because he doesn't even bother to take a proper look at the forms. He literally mentioned the first time that my form implied I wanted to receive a lot of bows, cause some examples of things I'd like to receive "had bows on them." I'm talking about a necklace and a ring for example...

But then suddenly with the organizers helping him he manages to put together a gift that is a perfect mix of all the interests on my form. Like I'm 100% certain the items were picked out for him as other anons have suggested.

I'm sure there was nothing wrong with his giftees forms, he just doesn't take a proper look

>>10530044
If we wanted poorly thought out last minute gifts that look like overpriced Claire's garbage we'd just ask our normie bfs and family to get us gifts, not do a cgl SS.

>>10530044
Maybe he doesn’t have the ability to. Let’s ban him, gulls. I tire of these disappointments.

Imagine this guy having your address too. Ugh

>>10530050
exactly, and yet we let him enter again and again out of pity and girls will literally choose to just accept it and then ask for a grinch gift, making other people pay for Karl's shitty gifts, instead of call out to ban the bad gifter so he can't do it to anyone else again cause they don't want to be seen as anything other than uwu lovelies

and that's how a shitty santa can just sign back up again with no consequences. ban him and be done with it

>>10530054
I finally have a good job and want to start doing SS this year, but the risk of even having him as a card match and opening my envelope only to see that infamous Merry Christmas and Bitches Love Bows written in an all caps kindergarten scrawl on copy paper with babby's first craft project chsrms glued to it while knowing he probably got a nice hand drawn card with little gifts attached because some gulls are too nice to complain about his incompetence, trying so hard to include him just so he can get free shit and a participation award and screw ober kind gulls in return...that haunts me.

Ban 'em.

>>10530057
>>10530056
I agree. Ban him. It's only fair because any girl would be banned for even half the offense he committed and he's done this multiple times now wtf. His gifts are not well thought out and all grinches.

I agree with anon. I won't participate either knowing he's a possible match.

I hope I can join next year, browsing the threads make me really happy (most of the time).

>>10530044
There are some people who really are that clueless, they just see something and just make up their own reality in their mind that doesn't fit what was given, but they still think they're right.

Not defending his gifts, put him in the card tier he doesn't seem to have the ability to improve. (does he have the ability to make good cards though)

>>10530056
Yeah desu Karl makes me more mad than the puvithel drama desu. Karl has put in below zero effort and has literally mocked his giftees at this point and rubbed it in our faces that he has fucked up and gets to keep joining in and people still think it's a question as to whether he should be banned somehow?

>>10530061
>(does he have the ability to make good cards though)

Have you SEEN the cards itt anon? They are...endearing when not paired with his shitty gifts but far from "good"

>>10530062
Can someone post the Puvithel drama?

Also can we just ban this guy. Idk why you guys want to coddle him. Seriously organizers please ban him. He doesn't have a place in this event even in the card tier imo. You can be expecting some last minute dgaf no care or thought card if he's in that tier too.

>>10530067
I would rather recieve a card designed in MS Office with WordArt text and clipart images than a Karl card.

Even if the cards were good, the knowledge that his continued participation is out of pity when he doesn't even try would anger me.

his first card to me didn't mention any joking 'bitches love bows' line, that was only included in his second gift after other anons coined that phrase when I posted my picture of my gift. In hindsight I do think it was downplayed too much as a funny thing, he should've been if not banned then limited to a card tier then and there. Instead the message he received was more of a 'nice try but this is a bit disappointing, you missed the mark there but haha its funny' and we can see the result of it now. Back then I didn't want to come off as angry with my first gift, only let the organizers truly know how sad I was (it almost put me off from the ss, it was my first time and I thought receiving that was a sign I shouldn't have ever joined) and my happiness at his second gift wasn't fake, I truly meant it back then when I said it redeemed him. But it only made up for his first gift, and shouldn't have been a sign he was ok to join again, as it wasn't put together by himself and he has proven that if he does join and isn't helped his giftees end up with bad gifts. He should be banned, for everyone's sake, cause he's really had enough chances by now. The difference between his gifts for me was staggering, I have no idea how he truly can't have learned from that in terms of what makes a proper gift or not.

fun fact, I still have that 20$ bill and I do sometimes use those tiny little bows (the red, light pink and white ones) he put in the first gift :')

>>10530071
I thought that was so fucking weird he just straight up included a $20 bill instead of heading to the store and getting like an Xmas skincare pack or something. Really shows what kind of person he is.

>>10530067
That’s what the archives are for, anon.

>>10530078
Seriously. Even a normie guy asking himself "fuck, what do girls like?" Would have done a better job with the budget he was on.

>>10530031
maybe someone finally grinched him. i am pretty sure the organizers are autistic mouth breathers for letting this shit slide. can someone else please host next year?

>>10530067
she only gave her giftee shit from her shop that she couldn't sell. it was basically an overpriced lucky bag.

Sorry to add a little more to the Karl saga, he has received some good gifts, yes. But looking back on old notes, I believe he has been grinched every year as well. Also this, >>10529974 the receipts were posted in the thread and they were all bought somewhere like Nordstrom I think it was called? And he genuinely spent $120 on bows. He was allowed to keep participating as he sent a replacement gift which was much better and actually /cgl/ related. But I guess there needs to be a "What should we do in the Karl situation" question added to the form as there is s lot of mixed response.

We usually try to match males with other males that join as they typically have a few shared interests and I know most of them have a hard time buying gifts for girls, especially in hobbies like ours. After that, we try to match to people we think would be easier for them to buy for or have a few shared interests, which unfortunately means we have a few issues. In saying that, there are other males in this event who have bought AMAZING gifts. So its really hard to tell sometimes who will do good and who will do bad.

I personally don't think we should auto-ban all males/ cross boarders. But I think there should probably be some sort of rule around this?? Are we happy continuing to allow any people to join at $40 tier? Do you think adding some sort of "Show us your latest coord/ cosplay" image requirement should be put in for newbies to be able to sign up? While I don't think they should be banned, I think at very least there needs to be some common ground.. otherwise what is the point in them joining??

>>10530078
I honestly felt it was to make up for the bows, value wise. When I then heard how much he actually paid for them I was shocked. In all that time I've had plenty of chances to go to the bank with it but I honestly have it in my wallet for a giggle every time I remember it

actually, the one thing that made it such a horrible gift experience and that I have never shared before about it... I had to pay a custom fee to pick it up and the fee was like the same as the top of the tier value. So I spent the car ride home thinking 'this better be good haha' and then once home I opened it in front of my family :')

>>10530085
LMFAO. Nordstrom is a normie store. You have to be friends with him or genuinely autistic. Please never host this again.

>>10530086
Why did you have to pay ? I got a small package from a friend two states away from Mr and it says I have have pay if I want it. Never heard of this ever

>>10530085
no to auto-ban yes to Karl ban its quite simple imo

>>10530088
In Belgium at least, if your package isn't marked as a gift and the value is over 22€ there's a high chance you get slapped with a customs fee if you receive anything from outside the EU

>>10530091
I don't get it. We don't need to put values for stuff here...and we both in America ....I'm going tomorrow to find out why.

>>10530094
Hope you don't have to pay! I have to pay custom fees for like half of my packages its really irksome esp when the fee is almost if not as much as what I paid for the goods :(

I think that the last time I was here was about 3 years ago...and before leaving, I saw my fair share of drama here and its spillover from LJ.

Anyhoo, waffles are for eating and not for lazy stingy buttholes who are worse scribblers than 8 day old infants. Ban him for the good of costume wig/frillybutt kind and let this gendered giifting double standard die.

I know that it's easier to say than do because I'm just a lurker but you lot deserve better.

Googled the Puvithel drama and found this lmao. Apparently this was only a part of what Puvithel gave? Idk

>>10530087
I know right? He could have at least gotten her some Gucci or whatever rofl. At least that would be over $100.

Just ban Karl. There are so many people requesting this.

>>10530084
>>10530100
Oof... I forgot how bad this was. $100+ tier right. Most embarrassing behavior.

>>10530085
>And he genuinely spent $120 on bows. He was allowed to keep participating as he sent a replacement gift which was much better and actually /cgl/ related.
So he redeemed himself but didn’t learn from his mistake.
>>10530085
>Do you think adding some sort of "Show us your latest coord/ cosplay" image requirement should be put in for newbies to be able to sign up?
Maybe putting a word or sentence in the FAQ / rules to ensure that they read it? Or even a part that explicitly states you must have an understanding to cosplay / jfashion / lolita already before joining, crossboarders are only allowed on x tier. Maybe a floordinate or picture of a coord that isn’t needed if you’re already on the whitelist?

>>10530087
You're more than welcome to host since you clearly know everything. I'm also not from the US so I have no idea what Nordstrom is.

The replacement gift which WAS /cgl/ related, hence he was allowed to join again but restricted to lower tiers, last year he was matched to an organiser to prevent another issue and the gift was fine, so he was whitelisted. This year there is an issue, so we are asking if the event as a whole wants him banned.

I'll also add, each year we have asked for additional help. NO ONE stepped forward this year. SaltySnowball and I hosted in 2018, just 2 of us. We had some help last year, and again this year is just 2 of us. If you have issues with the event, please step forward and help so we know what you think needs changing!! It's a lot of time consuming work, and its not always as simple as "oh just ban theme" as the amount of complaints we get behind the scenes that don't always get aired out in the thread would probably mean half of you getting directly banned if we took this approach. A few of the gifts that haven't been posted in the thread is because we have directly asked people not to post them - because they suck and we would rather work it out between people than have a huge drama every year. And when people get like this it really makes others not want to step up and help when all they can see if us getting attacked and moaned at for work we do for the event!

Not just specifically Karl, but there have been a lot of cases bought to us where people have sent something that is just not good and we have spoken to both sides and come to a conclusion, thus the person is allowed to participate again as they have fixed their error. We have also had cases where people were whitelisted without issues in previous years and have turned out to be grinches in other years. So the "Oh just ban him" is a little bit more complicated as it relates to other gifts as well.

>>10530087
Sorry but have you actually participated? Party shark and saltysnowball have been WAY more helpful than the people who ran it last year. Last year the hosts literally stopped replying to emails. It really is a lot of work and to say that they shouldn’t do it just because they don’t know what Nordstrom is is really self centered burgerland behavior.

>>10530114
I get you, but the Karl case is special. Put him in the card tier or ban him. Or ignore it I guess? Definitely not participating with this shit being like the wild wild West.

>>10530124
I don't blame you. I hate when it gets like this and it gets really hard to calm it down. But hopefully a form will be able to get clearer opinions from people so we can work out all the issues!

I love the current hosts so much. You're doing a great job, and I find so much joy in participating.

My only gripe is I'm uncertain about the timeline. I thought Karl did his big bow haul in 2018, then did very well in 2019, to now in the 2020 secret santa get questioned again. Puvithel was the biggest drama last year. A lot of posters in this thread smell new to me.

>>10530160
So what if they're new? What does that have to do with banning someone from the event? It's like you're so desperate to prove you've been here for a while when you probably been here for a year or two lol if that.

I'm a male and I feel like I gave good gifts. This year has most of us waiting on delays, so I think I disappointed one of my gulls. The stuff I got for my card tiers were also delayed.

Sorry if I added to the pile of male shame from this year.

However, when the delayed stuff comes I hope that will make up for it. I'll probably get them something on top of the delayed item too.

I think partyshark has done an excellent job this year, better than last year's team.
It's a lot easier to complain than it is to organize everything.

I think Karl should just call it quits for now.
But I think a better solution is to add a gender option in next year's SS.

Something like what we have for Cosplayers.
[ ] if you only want to be matched with females
[ ] if you only want to be matched with males
[ ] if any gender is okay to match with

I don't think anyone would complain and we don't have to use biological genders, but I would recommend it. There was some sissy shaming when matches when out.

>>10530085
Just ban Karl since he's been given multiple chances and isn't improving. No need to bring other people into this.

Please dont force Karl's giftees to suffer. They don't deserve this . I didn't participate this year . Thank God

>>10530160
I don't. I have had trouble with them as have many others.

>>10530171
>>10530169
this. there's no reason not to ban people. i still can't believe the organizer thought that craft fair shit was from nordstrom.

>>10530121
not a burger but you can google for 5 seconds and see it's some normie department store.

Is Karl one of the hosts' friends? Idgi just ban him.

>>10530177
I'm starting to think that too !!!!because I've seen people get in trouble during ss for way less ????I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to volunteer to help out his matches . This shit is wack. 2020 strikes again .

>>10530100
I was her match in 2018 and i wish i knew how fucked my gift from her was. 99% from her own brand and then like a stack of loose tea not in the original packaging.

>>10530199
Wtf. Literally ziplock bags of tea. How cheap is she..

>>10530174
Those bows were from Nordstrom and Zara, if I remember correctly. He literally posted the receipts.

>>10530199
This is all either her own stock or tea she definitely already had around the house. She should be straight up banned after a gift like this.

>>10530169
My issue in the Karl situation is not about whether we ban him or not, it is that there are other similar situations which have not been aired publicly which is why I bring up others. If we ban Karl, should the same apply for others we have received emails about as well?

>>10530176 , >>10530174 I'm not justifying the bows, I was stating he genuinely spent that much on them and they were from a western store, we were given proof in the thread of the cost. The recent bows were not. I agree they were a shit gift, Im justifying him being allowed to participate again as he replaced the gift with something /cgl/ related. Karl is not the first person to send a shit gift, replace it and be allowed to participate again. So is this something we should stop allowing?? If you send a shit gift, we ban you and find a helper to send a new one? You send a shit gift, replace it and we still ban you? Or you send a shit gift, replace it and youre allowed to participate again?

>OPINIONS ON A STRIKE POLICY?
What would opinions be on a 2 strike policy?? You get one chance of redemption after your first complaint, if you receive another you get blacklisted, regardless of the scale of the complaint?

>>10530199
In this case, from memory we never received a complaint from either of her matches that year, so she was allowed to participate again. So we never had any idea of how the items were sent or that they were irrelevant to interests etc. and then 2019 happened. We worked it out behind the scenes, but I think it is a similar situation to now. She wasn't banned as 2019 was the first major issue and we tried to clear it up, but caution notes were left. Do you think an outright ban is better here?

>>10530164
Thank you for some decent suggestions.

2154 I think you got the tracking number for my card from the event coordinators, but I just wanted to check in and let you know that it has arrived in country, and I hope you get it soon!

>>10530209
Just let his people have diff santas this month. Christ. Im pretty sure they don't want to deal with him anymore and want to have someone whose genuine . I mean most of us haven't even had him and are pissed off for his matches
Forcing them to have to give him a second chance when he's messed up previously is just super dumb. This was the one shit year that everyone needed to kinda pull together for .

>>10530164
>Something like what we have for Cosplayers.
>[ ] if you only want to be matched with females
>[ ] if you only want to be matched with males
>[ ] if any gender is okay to match with
I don’t feel like we should bring gender into the forms. It’s just one guy.

>>10530199
Right. She gifted me in the past and I just said thanks since technically I knew it was the right budget but I was still disappointed it wasn’t anything lolita related. I got stuff similar to you but no food.

>>10530209
>>OPINIONS ON A STRIKE POLICY?
I like this.

>>10530209
>Do you think an outright ban is better here?
Yes. I’m glad she was finally called out on her shilling this year.

>>10530209
Banning Puv is stupid to do as its just a vendetta. People just want to gang up on her but she is in her right to give ppl a value of 100$ of her own goods. There is nothing saying that what she gave was not worth what the tier is.

That issue seemed more to be those 2 people shouldnt be matched together and that person only brought it up last year.

>>10530215
>I’m glad she was finally called out on her shilling this year.

I meant to say last year, my mistake. She for double posting.

>>10530216
How is it a vendetta? The issue isn't that it doesn't match up value-wise (though she makes up the value herself so who's even to say that kek), it's that the gifts are lazy and not what the giftees want to receive.

>>10530216
Lmao are you literally retarded? Puv is that you? Just drop it, you’re embarrassing yourself.

>>10530164
I guarantee if you got him he would have gotten you a shitty gift too

>>10530199
This is a possible health hazard. Used tea? Wtf. Even the ones in the teabags aren't new or sealed. How cheap is this person? Jesus Christ a box of new tea is less than $5

>>10530225
Theres a option in your application application say if you are okay with hand made stuff or not so technically yes she was fine as long as they didn't mark no in the app

>>10530230
Handmade? Senpai that’s factory made. You’re really reaching too hard. Just stop.

>>10530216
I think giving someone a bad gift is equal to not matching the value, idk what her match forum looks like so it's hard to tell. It just feels slightly better know the value is close to/over the tier

>>10530222
Technically her brand is jfashion and sometimes lolita, so it is cgl gifts. I think her brand is gross but it is cgl related enough to count here. It isnt a bannable offense to be using your own goods as there is no rule that gifts have to be bought specifically and handmade is allowed.

I cant say if her choices are lazy, last year she did make an attempt to try to choose applicable items, although she fucked up and didnt send much of not her goods so it looked worse on her but in the 2018 example you can see some different themes that looks like she was trying to match what the person put as interests.

A lot of issues I see with stuff posted and some other drama is that ppl seem to change the definition of what is ok when it suits them, such as the 100+ gift here people bitched about because ppl decided buying a bag and a plushie wasnt good enough. Maybe the issue is lack of expectations being clearly defined? Clearly not everyone is on the same page.

>>10530232
Uh I'm not the other anon . That was my first comment on this because its literally in the application. If she makes it in a factory it just means she pays people to do it now. because she makes enough and you'll get better results in the factory most of the time. Better equipment and efficiently . A lot of indie hand made people end up going to factories .

>>10530232
This gave me a good cackle.

The stuff from last year is settled so let’s try to focus on the topics at hand.

>>10530213
Oh sorry I should be clearer, I have put the $40 match on the grinched list, and the $100+ match is awaiting some items as there is a supply issue. The order receipts I was given were for items from that matches wishlist, so I don't think they have been grinched as the value for those items meets the tier and are things they wanted, but of course this depends on them receiving the items. So he has not been given a second in this case. The second chance thing I mean in general, should we be giving out second chances at all? Or is it easier to just ban them, not correct their issue and find the matches a new Santa? When no one volunteers, finding replacement gifts is hard!

First priority always goes to those without any gift and currently only one person has emailed about helping who I have assigned already to a fully grinched person. So emails will be going out to those who indicated in their forms they would be interested in helping. But if you would like to volunteer to send the $40 match a gift, please email us!

>>10530234
>ppl seem to change the definition of what is ok when it suits them
This is what makes banning people difficult as well! This particular person has given amazing gifts in the past and slightly missed the mark this year but has offered to get another gift for this match. If they were to miss the mark again next year, would that then justify a ban? Even though the gift was of value, and they added items to it?


After the Puvithel drama from last year, we added a rule that anyone sending excessive items from Indie brands (ESPECIALLY IF ITS NOT STUFF THE GIFTEE EVEN LIKES) would be banned outright, so if this kind of thing were to happen again with any Indie Brand they would be removed. Which I suppose it also like slandering your own brands name. Maybe its better we have a /cgl/ jury to decide whether someone should be banned or not each time there is an issue, but I feel that would make waaaay too much unnecessary drama ??

>>10530209
I think a strike policy is good. I also think that determining why a giftee is not happy with their gift is important. If it's below the value, but the items are actually nice and applicable, that's very different than someone ignoring their form but still spending a large amount.

I also think there should be more done to cater to people who want specific matches. If someone says they'd want a lolita match and that isn't possible for a reason (location, gift tier, whatever), I think reaching out to them to ask them if they'd prefer to be matched with a cosplayer/other jfashion member or to not participate would be better than making that choice for them.

>>10529974
Hahahahah.
man the I sure love ss threads after the holiday season is over.

>>10530243
Why are you forcing these people to deal with Karl? Both of them posted here and aren't happy about the situation. If their gifts were shit , but meet the value ,that's still not okay . Literally when females did this last year and year before they got ripped for it but Karl has screwed up with his people multiple years and this year and you guys are allowing it . Just seems really fucking weird desu

I'm pretty sure I'm Karl's $40 giftee. He never contacted me once at all during the buying phase, and I think he intended to grinch me all along. I posted my number several times asking for updates only to be met with radio silence. This is incredibly frustrating and upsetting for me because I handmade items for my match on top of spoiling over the tier amount, painted watercolour cards for my card matches, and have been in healthcare school hell all year and just wanted this small community event to make my holiday :(

>>10530267
Unless he signed up for multiple in that tier, >>10529790 was Karl's $30-40 match. I am sorry to hear you haven't had any contact :( If you email the coordinators maybe they can try to get in touch with your match directly now, if you haven't already done so. You could at least get an answer on if they've vanished from the internet or are just delayed with shipping.

>>10530243
Im the 100 dollar match and I emailed you that I dont want to have him as my Santa. I've mentioned multiple times that the item was broken and can't be used. My gifts came a little beat up and gift wrap had big rips in it. The gifts weren't even wrapped to protect them in transport which is why everything came so beat up.
I got the bitches love bows paper and the box full of bows and stickers. I asked for no stickers so they wouldn't use it as a way to hit the value. I didn't post because I didn't want to start any drama but the other person posted and it happened . My gift situation is worse than hers in my opinion. ... and I'm in the 100 tier. I tried to contact him multiple times and asked if he needed help. The madoka figure box got dents on it because there was nothing protecting it . I also didn't have that madoka on my list I had a completely different figure on there.

I dont want to deal with someone who put 0 effort into my gift . It feels so unfair that we got someone whose had these issues before and than he messes up again and I'm being told to just stay with him anyways . This was my first time doing 100. Really disappointing. An entire box full of bows . The joke to me wasn't funny with the gift he gave me was just sad. I just dont want to bother getting anything else from him . He just didn't put effort into it at all..I really wanted to have the experience everyone else was having but I guess not because I got matched with him..

>>10530276
Wow I'm so sorry.

One after another bad experience and yet they won't ban him. Who's shitty little brother is this?

>>10530276
I'm so sorry gull. Do you mind posting a picture of the gifts themselves so we can see? Just looking at the items gift wrapped I could already suspect it's not $100+

>>10530243
Are there enough people yet this year willing to cover for the grinched anons? It looks like we may end up needing a few.... What tiers need help right now?

>>10530281
I'd help out but I lost my job and I splurged so heavily on my giftees. Feels bad considering there's so many gulls that could use some cheering up gifts this year.

>>10530276
Damn, you can see his discord info. Run Karl Run!

I think we should really blacklist Karl now

>>10530281
I can do a $75-100

When we get a full list can the Santa’s let us know which tiers and how many in each got grinched? I’m down to help out or at least toss some cash to those wanting to put together replacement gifts. This year has been shitty enough.

>>10530209
>>OPINIONS ON A STRIKE POLICY?
1st strike: someone else on the grinch squad makes up for it, and you're limited to the $15 gift tier next year; 2nd strike: banned/redemption: back to square one

I've participated the last few years and it feels like nobody is on the same page in terms of spending, which was an issue last year too, and now we're dealing with Karl drama for the 2nd (or 3rd?) year in a row.

I've been on the fence about not participating because of the drama during the last few events but I'm just ready to say fuck it. I don't have an issue with the organizers but I think there should be a few more helpers to help them discuss issues if they take this on next year. If they don't, I don't blame them cause running these types of events by yourself can be time consuming and I bet stressful at times. I just hate opening the thread and seeing the drama when I want to see everyone's gifts cause this is the one community event I participate in.

>>10530276
Okay. Since I specifically requested you did not post the gift as I knew it would start more drama, I will pour some more petrol on it for all the gulls.

I have already explained to you in multiple emails that there is a delay in your gifts? Why? Because things on your wishlist were replicas from shoddy websites that Karl still chose to buy from. You listed a replica figurine, complained when he bought said figurine, I then told you it was not the one he purchased and he had purchased a genuine one for 3 times the price. Which you then complained as its not exactly the same item. You are still waiting on a pair of 90 DOLLAR SHOES and as well a 70 DOLLAR BAG both of which are things specifically from your wishlist and are directly purchased from the websites you listed and were purchased at the start of November. I asked Karl about the bows and they were a joke and did not count to the value of your gift at all. I noted a single filler item was broken, I don't know what you expect me to do here as I am sure it wasn't intentionally sent damaged, and I doubt a harness would get damaged in transport.

You bombarded him with emails to the point he stopped replying, so I stepped in to try and work out what was going on. Mid gift, you decide you no longer want to be matched with Karl and ask to be added to the grinched list, despite the fact I have said again, multiple times, you are still waiting on the main items from your gift and that you need to wait until you receive everything or until the deadline. You haven't dealt with him at all. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING UP EVERY SINGLE EMAIL YOU SEND. Which is now over 20 for anyone wondering. You have complained about your gifts every year despite this is the first year the gift is even slightly bad.

AND ON TOP OF THIS. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SENT YOUR OWN $100+ GIFT OUT. SO CURRENTLY I DONT THINK YOU HAVE ANY RIGHT TO START COMPLAINING WHEN YOUR SANTA HASN'T RECIEVED ANYTHING!!!

Yes. I'm fucking mad.

>>10530318
HAHAHA YES TEA
I hope anon responds
PLS RESPOND ANON

I'm actually ready to throw in the Towel, gulls. Im gonna age rapidly from this stress.

>>10530281
At the moment no. I haven't emailed everyone who said they were interested in the forms yet, but so far only one person has emailed us directly and I have assigned them already.

Theres potential grinched people in $40 and $50 tiers, I was in contact with their match but haven't heard anything for a while. Karl himself has been grinched. Possibly 4504's match unless she sends her stuff this century, and 4504 herself if she doesn't get Karls gifts (which are going direct from the stores). And also 9 cards.

>>10530285
Please email if you are able to!

>>10530324
partyshark does anybody get gifts for you..... you should get some gifts

>>10530318
I didnt complain..I was just stating why I posted a cheaper different figure .. when responding on the board you said he got something from my list and I was stating that the figure specifically wasn't on there .
You only just told me that possibly he was possibly getting other things , I specifically asked earlier about it because I just felt pretty bummed about it and didn't want to go further for same situation . Especially after finding out who it was from. Considering what everyone is saying I felt I could out some validity to it.
I never emailed him ? I don't even have his email . I literally never emailed them . When I got my gift I messages about it to explain the situation. If I get something filled with stuff I asked not to get and bows and damaged items of course I'm going to ask about it . Only several days later you told me there was possibly 1 or 2 items coming.

I've been contacting my match every week with updates on their items that are in customs. I even contacted you multiple times in 2 weeks about progress on their items . I even sent you pictures of everything., which you responded. Ive not had a response about the beat up items . Like what do you expect me to to when i get beat up items and a box of bows?

>>10530343
why does your behavior smell of that one crazy french lolita hanikami

>>10530343
So it's fair for your shit to be slow in the mail but not other people's? At least wait til all your stuff is in to post.

>>10530350
I was only told very recently about it and it was after I asked about the grinch list since I got stuff I specifically asked not to get and bows and dinged up items ..

>>10530343
Anon they don't have to pick this things on your wishlist. It's nice if you do get something off your list but you can't expect it if someone surprises you with something else.

>>10529790
I guess I should've double checked what patterns you had, I was actually ecstatic to get a match that was also into sewing.
I mean, I'll send some more stuff over all things considered, but I thought I was spot-on when I went with patterns.

Unfortunately gulls, no, those patterns were not $5

If people would like me to stop the bow meme, let me know.

>>10530365
Yes stop the bow meme, it’s offensive and you’re mocking the people who you’re disappointing. In fact you just stop participating all together because everybody hates getting gifts from you and you ruin everyone’s Christmas

>>10530365
karl m'boi

amazon might be the way to go for anime merch but there was so much more you could have done. lacemarket or etsy would have gone further. why do you participate in the gull secret santa if you don't know where gulls shop? you could've asked, even

>>10530365
You may have paid more, but Simplicity patterns go on sale for $1.99 each about once a month at Joanns, which most people who see often would know. Personally I would assume that the patterns were bought on sale because they’re so overpriced otherwise.
It seems like you have good intentions, but you might want to bow out of the exchange.

>>10530362
Nono I understand that and I've stated that to organizer. I was just making a remark about the figure , I was just making conversation with the organizer. Party also complained about sites from my wish list which were legit, i made sure to verify them . I get you're annoyed but why say I did stuff I didn't do ? I never did these things.
I asked not to get stickers or stationary and they sent me some stickers with a very small package . So these like 3 items with stickers for 100 tier And a bunch of those bows. So I was like wtf .The figure came dinged up and the harness I got also came with issues. I messaged about those problems, no response regarding damage, especially since that wasnt enough for the 100 tier. I think figure is fine I can take out of box it just has more value in the box with no damage as a collector.
Only today I asked if there was another item.
My gifts came partially ripped open all dinged up and some damage . Thats all I was bummed about and the bow stuff

I get the organizer is frustrated but i never emailed karl.. I dont have their email. I responded to his posts in thread 3 times . That's it, to questions he had.

I really don't understand why you're going after me about customs stuff when so many of us are going through the same thing and I even sent you an update recently which you responded to. I get you're frustrated but you're completely acting like I'm not sending stuff on purpose . I've given you all that info sometimes twice a week now. I even asked if you wanted any more info about it. You literally just responded to this 6 days ago saying everything looked great . I get your frustrated but saying I'm doing stuff I didn't do isn't necessary. I have made sure to contact my match at least once a week . Feel free to ask her about it.

Like there's just no reason to say I'm doing stuff I'm not. I apologized like every email I sent about the issues with this gift. Like I'm sorry this sucks for me too

>>10530367
Last year was a pretty great year for me I'd say, two years back though, I disappointed belgianon pretty heavily. They stuck around though and I'm really glad I could make it up to them.
My guess is there are some new people that don't know the history, but I suppose it's my own fault for coming off so crassly as well.

>>10530343
In the card I sent over I included further contact information at least since I didn't want you to worry. I'm sorry this is getting drawn out like it is.
I really wanted to go over the top since it was my first time doing $100 tier but by the same token it's not really fair to you AT ALL that the major part of the gift got delayed, I can see how that came off and I apologize, I should have thought that through more.
I knew that you knew more was coming, but by the same token it could definitely look like I was actively trying to be a prick by even including what I did.
I regaled explanations and receipts already to the organizers, and as a note to you guys, it's fine if you want to spill things, but I'll leave that entirely to your discretion.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't want me as your match, I hope that the rest of the gift will change your mind.

More than anything I feel awful for the organizers for trying to mediate things, be kind to them gulls. This tea isn't the fun kind, and they shouldn't be needing to clean up anything either.

>>10530370
Oh yeah, etsy is great (and I've used them very heavily for past santas), it just wasn't my first thought when it came to sewing patterns. I also figured that since lolita sewing patterns are comparatively specialized, that an amazon search wouldn't be the worst starting point in the world.
Then of course, I made the genius decision of "well, these are the first things I found and they seem fine, Simplicity is even a brand I recognize!"
Finally, once the cart total reached $50, I figured I shouldn't go too much over, and stopped shopping there.

>>10530377
I am still at the stage of sewing where I'm learning patterns (so I wasn't doing much active browsing of them until I actually wanted to buy the gift)
Also, lessons have gotten shut down for pretty much all of covid, so I haven't had a chance to get much better.
I also could've done better though, so your criticisms are well received.

>>10530384
>>10530379
>>10530381
PepeHands too real

>>10530384
I can send the patterns back if you'd like to try to get a refund on them. I agree with the anon that mentioned etsy, although I tend to sew using Otome no Sewing references and my own patterning methods usually. Unfortunately Amazon isn't the best value for niche gifts, especially lolita. As a suggestion, if you happen to have a kinokuniya, tonymoly and/or daiso in your town, I'd consider going there for jfashion & kawaii gifts last minute in the future.

>>10530379
until you mail your 100+ package, you have no right to complain. You're just as bad if not worse.

>>10530381
>>10530384
I feel bad now for criticizing Karl. Definitely stop the bow memeing imo. And next time get some more direction by looking through some of the Taobao and aliexpress threads.

>>10530391
I mean he bought everything for these people off Amazon and hes still sending out stuff and we are now 1 month past the shipping deadline..

>>10530389
Oh that's not necessary. If you have a friend interested please give it to them. If not, well, in that case I could take it back and go for a refund.
I still have your Wishlist and I'll get you a proper replacement. I'll use your address as the direct shipping address so you can get it ASAP, as I did for 4504.

>>10530393
>everything for these people
no anon, I got everything of 3483's off of amazon.

>>10530343
>>10530379
You included photographs of the items you purchased which I said were cute. I have not seen the receipts of purchase, proving dates they were purchased and tracking numbers, or where items are coming from. I have no idea if you have actually even purchased said items. You were told on the 17th of December your gift would be impartial and the other items would be sent directly to you from the store. Once your received the filler items you appealed immediately to be on the grinched list. The bows and stickers were not included n the over all value and the filler items you recieved (figurine, harness and necklace) were $101 alone. The photo you shared to me of the figurine showed no damage to the box that I could tell, maybe a bent corner or small dent but nothing major.

I am mostly pissed as you said "I havent posted anything about it yet because I don't want people to be mean to him since they'll know who its from by the bow thing" to which I replied "Thank you, I think it is a good idea not to post as it is also not all of the gift there, so it will obviously not look like a $100+ gift either which will cause more drama."

You are in exactly the same situation as Karl, as your first year you participated we had a complaint about your gift (which you did not offer to fix, we called in a helper) and then when we mailed you about it, you stuck by the items you purchased and gave some reasons for the items, we felt bad so we allowed you to participate in the next year at a restricted tier. We never saw the items you received that year, but have brought up multiple times they were not good despite never contacting us or posting them. The following year we mutual matched you with an organiser, and again complained about the gift publicly. The gift that year was fine, so you were allowed to participate in any tier this year - just like Karl.

So yes, I am angry that you are making a huge deal out of this when the situations are so similar.

>>10530381
>>10530381
I didnt even realize that you wrote your discord on there until someone posted it. I don't use discord really so I thought that was your ss number . Thank you for being understanding. When i said I didn't want you as a match when I saw who it was from . then just these 3 small items and bows , I was confuesed thinking I got grinched since this was 100 plus tier. Especially when there was damage. and that your other Match had same issues and I didn't really know If I was getting something else at the time . Neither did the organizers for awhile . I didn't hear from them for a few days after too so I was just like. Oh okay. I was told they weren't sure if you were sending something else . Then a bit later I was told that you maybe were going to get something else, the way it was written made it seem like just now you were getting it . You know, because of the issues with everything . So I was like just don't bother.

I really appreciate your apology. Thanks for contacting me about it and understanding from my view point . I haven't once complained about the time or waiting. I told organizer if I had to wait until Feb id still be fine. All of us are dealing with mail being stupid sadly . I really appreciate the response and I'm sorry if I made you feel bad. The bows would honestly be fine as a joke if it had been with full gifts and no damage it wouldn't have come off so bad .

>>10530400
I obviously don't want you to be grinched, and want you to like your gifts. But this situation has just become so intense because you would didn't listen to my emails.

Ultimately, if you do get grinched, then YES we will try and find you a new match, but you were crying grinch before even receiving the full gift despite being told it was impartial and that the grinch check is not until the end of Jan!

>>10530404
Can you do an Amazon wishlist of things you want? I wanna send Partyshark a present and 3x bows

>>10530381
>>10530384
I feel bad too. If this is genuine, it seems like he’s really trying and it’s nice that he’s willing to replace gifts, it would just be better if he could get things right the first time. Drop the meme, your cards are cute and if you participate next year please remember all the advice you’re getting.

>>10530400
Tfw the anon complaining about Karl is actually what Karl is supposedly like and actual Karl seems like a decent dude who's willing to replace items and take constructive criticism.

Sorry I judged so fast Karl. I don't know you but I feel terrible for bandwagon jumping in the shit fiesta against you.

>>10530401
I helped organise last year and you were a pain in the arse then, not reading/listening to emails from organisers and rambling all over the thread.

PartyShark, I’m so sorry, I wish I had signed up to help. Without you and Snowball I doubt there will be a SS next year and that would be sad, but my god do I not blame you one jot.

"decent dude"

>>10530411
I take my pity back

>>10530411
Why do you have screencaps from 2018? Lol wtf. Your vendetta has lasted 2 years. I read through shit and it's not like he's being an incel. Creepy and Aspie yes, but I feel like that's this entire board, male and female inclusive.

>>10530411
Yeah, I made some serious mistakes and acted like a creepy retard. I'll leave it at that. Nothing came of any of this incidentally.
Thanks a bunch for airing 2 year old dirty laundry on me, very cool move. That's why I get for being stupid though, so fair enough.

>>10530413
Naw, ban this dude and ban that entitled grinch chick too. This should be for us, people in the fashion. These losers who send shit late and are terrible communicators are the equivalent of people who show up to meets wearing hot topic and ruining the photos. We don't need them here, they are not necessary.

>>10530415
>$2000 for a physically unhealthy woman in need to be your monthlong prostitute
>this fucker lives in dallas

i know who you are too and that's the worst part. absolutely disgusting. leave us alone forever.

10530400
Noone not even you knew if they were filler items back then and they came all banged up. Of course I messaged you about it. You even said that the gift looked wrong when I contacted you about it.

As I said above I asked you if you needed any other info and you never told me. If you dont tell me how am I supposed to know ???I asked you if you needed something I even told you when I got one of the items . I updated you each time something new happened with her jtems . And if you had asked for any of that I would have given it to you. Which is why I asked if you needed anything else besides the pics . Making up stuff because you're frustrated with me isn't cool.

Dents for figurines and cracks really suck if you're a collector. If you're fine with that ok but I collect figures so it kinda was a bummer.

I said I didn't post anything way before I eventually posted on here . If someone was having the same issue, I responded so they could know it was happening to me too.

Having Karl's Anon would stress me out so hard, remember when xmas was all about giving and not receiving. Can we not post stuff that happened two years ago? People can change ! It does no good to point at old shit and apply it to today.

The first year someone I had said thehy liked bath and make up stuff and I gave them a ton of stuff related. They didn't like it and I got forced to be on the grinch list. Just for that reason .
Because I literally gave my first year person stuff they said they liked n then they ended up not liking it and I was in the value. U also did the same thing then. U said I was harassing the organizers. The organizers contacted me twice with questions so I responded To both of the emails. Then I emailed them to ask for my giftees email to ask for more info because they didn't have much info on their application.
Then you said I emailed bombarded karl when I never contacted him personally ever .
If you don't like me that's fine but to say I did these things when i didn't is just unfair . I have been responding to every email from you . Thx you. Apologized for problems with the gift unrelated to me . Even after asking about if you needed more info I never got you asking for payment proof or anything.
When I did this the first time I didn't didn't KNOW I could fix it. Noone told me Noone brought it up . You can't expect me to know these things unless unless tell me . You're the organizer that's your job . Just like if you wanted payment prof you could have asked me in the multiple emails you sent to me this week. Not once did you say it was an issue that hasn't sent purchase proof and you wanted more than pics.. not once. Only now that you're pissed because of a problem not my fault. When I first started I posted what I got In the thread. I didn't email you guys because I thought that was enough. I was told the next year about this so I did it correctly. the person last year loved what I got them.
Having damaged items with a box of bows and no word about this not being the entire gift in the 100 tier would make anyone question it. Like you reacted same when i sent you pics of everything? Then you brought up grinch list. This is so dumb.

>>10530419
Shit, did the figurine itself crack?
I had standard postal insurance, so that might actually be eligible.

>>10530419
Please don’t participate in future. Your attitude is so gross.

>>10530423
Omg conciseness is your friend.

Now we have 3 different points of view on this issue lmao and they're all different. The only reasonable (kind of) person in this is Karl who is offering to buy more gifts and replacements. Anon and partyshark are in a she said he said fight.

Never change cgl. This is some juicy shit.

>>10530423
Being ESL isn’t an excuse for being stupid. You are digging yourself a bigger hole

Anyway. I guess this raises the question: should sincere but shitty shoppers be banned? Should the tier minimums be decided based on what the sender actually spent or the cheapest price you can snag the item for?

>>10530419
>collector
>okay with replicas
Choose one.

>>10530423
2018 you got your giftee a load of normie shit they didn't ask for, see attached, and they complained, and you were very nearly banned. You spammed the organisers, you claimed you filed in the form high, and couldn't afford a $30-40 tier gift and a card, despite insisting you wanted to be in $100+ first time around.

2019 you were handheld through everything by the organisers. You managed to do okay.

2020 you're kicking up a fuss about a figure that you don't even want, that's apparently dented and/or the box may be dented, but it's only a filler and you're upset it is/might not be (???) the exact one off your wishlist. You are now complaining about your main gift being late when you haven't even sent your own gift.

I'd take Karl over you. You are clearly just here to get a load of high-value items and send shit in return. Go away.

>>10530435
Guys please stop being mean to people that obviously either have good intentions or are just getting worked up.

>>10530423
Please, I'm begging you. ban this horrible person. Jesus, I'm glad you got "garbage". You don't deserve anything good. You're just here to get free stuff.

To Karl:
I apologise for joining the grinch-bandwagon at first. You seem like a nice guy despite everything. (And your match this year seems like a really taxing gull who can't be satisfied.)

To Santagull/Partyshark:
I actually debated joining the orga gulls for support this year. I don't know why anymore but somehow I got the impression you guys were a team of 3-5 people already and then I was too shy to ask further. Sorry for that. I can understand if both of you quit SS after this year, but I'll nonetheless offer my support for next year.

Also, what some other anon already mentioned: you guys deserve an award for this and gifts.

>>10530423
>>Noone told me!
>>these things are not my fault, it's the organizers job to hold my hand for everything!!!
Maybe stop whining like a pissbaby and take a minute to reflect on what went wrong on your end of this? You shouldn't participate in any future ss, your giftee deserved better than this

4505’s better off just getting cash in an envelope, seems like theyre never happy about anything even though christmas is about giving and being grateful. should be banned from participating in any future exchanges honestly

>>10530446
4504* sorry for my butter fingers

The organizers do a great job every year. That being said, the ban-hammer needs to be laid more firmly. This person should be banned, Karl should have a tier restriction. There are so many kind people in this event. It's pointless to give these entitled, greedy people so many second chances. Even one second chance is too many. I would be so disappointed to give it my all in a gift, only to find out that, in turn, my giftee gave their giftee garbage.
Nothing against Karl, he seems fine, but he's an outsider to the fashion and he's proven that he doesn't really "get it". which is fine to an extent, but it's not fair to people who are giving it their all, and who are well versed in the fashion. It's especially not fair to the organizers who have to deal with this drama every year after hand-holding him the whole time.

>>10530422
This is why we matched them with Karl. Because I KNEW this would become a huge issue for any regular /cgl/ frequenter, and a lolita is going to be a lot meaner than me or Karl. Their form was VERY specific, and I assumed it would be easier for him with a specific form with a ton of wishlists and DO NOT BUYs.

>>10530419
>>10530423
Please send me the screenshots of the orders. I didn't request it previously in our emails as I trusted you had bought the items, however I mentioned it earlier as you spoke about sending me updates, but I haven't got anything to go on other than your word.

I apologise for assuming you were emailing him, again, we received a complaint previously from a match about your emails, so I made an incorrect assumption after your email saying you had tried to message him, that the same thing had happened with Karl. I initially brought up putting you on the grinched list if the gift you were due to receive was not of value/ suitable. After this you have mentioned in emails and in the thread you no longer wanted to be matched with Karl and wanted a new Santa despite not yet having received the final gifts.

Everyone I have previously contacted about a bad gift has immediately offered to fix it, so at the time I assumed this was common knowledge/ usual thing people do was offer to fix it straight away. I feel like I shouldn't need to say things that are generally expected, as I haven't had to for others. Regardless, the reason I brought this up is to point out you are in the same position as Karl. There was an issue and you were allowed to continue participating.

Yes, the gift you currently has does not equate a $100 gift, however we had discussed this privately and were sorting it out, so I am obviously annoyed it was brought up and derailed a thread. I don't dislike you, I don't like this situation!


>>10530430
This is a good question! I will add it to the form for feedback!

As of right now, I have no idea if my 30-40 tier gift has been sent out as they posted about possibly sending it 21 days ago, and the tracking of my 100+ gift hasn't updated since the 3rd of December and afaik its somewhere in Germany.

Organizers, could I send an e-mail to ask about contacting the 30-40 tier santa or should I wait a bit longer?

>>10530452
Always send an email sooner than later anon

NEW THREAD >>10530454

>>10530343
>>10530379
Ban hammer.

>>10530209
I know, I didnt complain because it was technically things I did say I was into; pins, menhera etc.
>>10530215
Exactly, it was technically within range.

>>10530318
>>10530400

Holy shit what a plot twist. Looks like this year we've got Karl and a Karen all in one go.

Shit, if #4504 hasn't even sent her own gifts out then she's got no room to fucking complain at the moment about being grinched when she's grinching someone else in the top tier.

>>10530381
Honestly, please stick to the card tier if you want to participate. It's obvious you don't know much about non-cosplay things and thinking "Oh, this looks close enough!" or "Well, these are the first things I found and they seem fine!" for your matches is going to end badly. Gulls want gifts from others that are actively interested or participating in their hobbies, not someone shooting in the dark and hoping for the best if he doesn't get a cosplayer/anime fan.

You're not actively out to disappoint people but you still manage to do it when you seem to only want to participate and send some cheer. For that, I highly suggest you do card tier next year. You can include any little memes or trinkets you want without worry and receive cards in return without worries about being grinched because of your reputation.

>>10530410
Hell, I was a helper a few years back for Christmas and White Day and I wouldn't blame them either. I only didn't sign up to help because I don't frequent the board as much anymore, especially this year with all the cons cancelled.

Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. I think a lot of us would have jumped on the chance to help if we'd known it was going to be this bad. RIP the White Day exchange as well, the salt's going to carry too far over and I doubt it'll happen this year.