/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10514689
I wish brand made shoes for sizes larger than 25

>>10514695
I've seen brands do limited runs of larger sizes. The problem is not enough people ask for it and not enough people buy it. Your fellow large size shoes friends like knockoffs too much.

>>10514689
Imagine if lolitas treated brand shoe size complaints like they treat clothing size complaints.

>>10514712
And how is that? Western lolitas complain about everything.

>>10514695
Until Japanese lolitas grow bigger feet, it's not happening.

>>10514720
Japanese Lolitas aren't fat but AP is still catering to fat Westerners...

>>10514897
There are plenty of fat japanese girls in lolita. I can tell you've never been there for more than a week or two

>lovely poodle being used to start the new general
Okay so are AP whores allowed to talk in the general again, or no?

>>10514897
If they were then HW cuts wouldn't be so prevalent. AP only cares about japs and chincks

Jesus bpd anons woke up today and chose to be violent

>>10514897
They’re not catering to fat Westerners, they’re catering to the current eastern style of wearing super oversized clothes, that’s why all the cuts are still cuts that don’t flatter fat people. If they were catering to fat Westerners they would offer cuts with lower waists and more of a curve to the bust area for bigger boobs

>>10514898
Pics or it didn't happen.
>>10514901
>>10514904
This actually makes sense though, as far as high waisted cuts go, but it seems weird to rerelease dresses that weren't originally supposed to fit that way with these massive measurements, it changes the whole look of the garment.

>>10514916
we are mostly talking about new releases. tons of brands are doing the fugly oversized shit.

I haven't been on LaceMarket recently, but now that I've returned the site runs worse. I have trouble making the "next" buttons respond to clicking unless I refresh the page? Is it just me?

>>10514926
That’s happened to me before, I think it’s a random bug

>>10514689
I want to like this print so much, but the cuts are so plain :/

>>10514899
You're allowed to talk, just don't sperg out and make the whole thread about scalping AP like you did last time.

>>10514710
NTA but I buy off brand shoes because brands don't put out bigger sizes often enough so the cycle continues. I bought two pairs of larger Baby shoes and they fit wonderfully.

>>10514904
Their sizing has been going up for years and years. This isn't just a current trend.

>>10514929
Right? I would buy this in a second if the cut had any interest to it

>>10514947
Then I'm not talking about you. Take it up with the lolitas who justify knockoffs because of their shoe size, but never bother to ask brands to make their size.

>>10514957
nta but the new sizing issues aren't due to them increasing sizes to fit larger people. >>10514957

>>10514972
Brands don't deserve money for their shoes because they are bad quality. Nobody should spend hundreds on shoes that disintegrate the money you take one step. They need to step it up.

>>10514957
You just can't increase the size of a garment and expect it to fit fattys. Cuts are hella important

>>10514972
Fuck buying brand shoes. I bought AP boots and on the first wear the platform/wedge part came off the boot. I looked retarded walking around with my broken boot and when I emailed AP they were basically like tough shit.

>>10515018
This
people can complain about the 'larger sizing' but its like >>10514904 said, they're catering to the oversized trend, which is why all the OPs have long sleeves with tight cuffs.
Lolitas with big tits can't fit into the high waist cuts even with more shirring because they can't fit a tit into the 6inch bodice, and unless the princess seams are tailored more to a bigger bust, they're not catering to the westerners at all

Another Marie Antoinette print from Baby. Unlike the past prints it's not on cotton.

>>10514904
yeah the massive shirring panels are meant for the oversized clothing trend
fucking idiots

>>10515107
yeah, I'm doing up a post with the details, give me like 15 minutes

>>10515108
anon full shirring from 2010 used to fit the same measurements as full shirring now, do you need a nap?

>>10515110
you think they weren't pandering to amerifats in 2010?

Marie-Antoinette~Eternal Wish in Brilliant Brightness~ (Marie-Antoinette~華麗なる輝きに秘めた永遠の想い~
Colours:
>White (オフ白)
>Saxe Blue (サックス)
>Mint (ミント)

Outer material: Polyester 100%
Lining: Polyester 100%
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Marie-Antoinette~Eternal Wish in Brilliance~Frill JSK
>Price: 36,080 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 98 〜 102cm(38.3 〜 40.5 inch)
Bust: 88 〜 94cm(34.4 〜 40.5 inch)
Waist: 72 〜 78cm(28.1 〜 30.4 inch)

>https://babyssb.shop/category/select/pid/11600
Item #: B45OJ201
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Marie-Antoinette~Eternal Wish in Brilliance~Ribbon JSK
>Price: 38,2800 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 105 〜 109 cm (41.1 〜 42.2 inch)
Bust: 88 〜 98cm (34.4 〜 38.3 inch)
Waist: 73 〜 84cm (28.4 〜 33.5 inch)

>https://babyssb.shop/category/select/pid/11599
Item #: B45OJ202
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Marie-Antoinette~Eternal Wish in Brilliance~OP
>Price: 44,880 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 100 cm (39.3 inch)
Shoulder width: 35 cm (13.2 〜 40.5 inch)
Sleeve length: 48 cm (18.5 inch)
Bust: 90 cm (35.7 inch)
Waist: 72 cm (28.1 inch)

>https://babyssb.shop/category/select/pid/11598
Item #: B45OP302
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Marie-Antoinette~Eternal Wish in Brilliant Brightness~Headbow
>Price: 6,160 yen (tax incl.)

>https://babyssb.shop/category/select/pid/11597
Item #: B45OH901
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Reservation period: Friday, 11th December, 12:00 JST to Monday, 14th December, 12:00 JST

>>10515115
What a beautiful print. I do think it's hilarious that Baby loves idolizing a queen that got her head chopped off but I suppose she lived the kind of indulgence that lolita represents.

>>10515118
Are you new? Marie Antoinette and Roccoco are commonly associated with lolita/common themes.

>>10515120
No? Rococo fashion isn't based on just one person and I'm a history major, there are plenty of other nobility lolita fashion could have latched onto and they chose a famously beheaded queen. Sorry if that doesn't make you feel superior.

>>10515122
>>10515118

Even AP releases/released Marie Antoinette dresses. It is really doubtful BABY idolizes her to any extreme degree more than they idolize kumyas or cute sweets or flowers for including them in prints regularly. It's obviously just another common theme.

Plus, she is a well known famous name in history. You really think they're gonna know all the other people associated with the style among non historians in Japan when a princess/queen was the most popular and lolita is heavily inspired by princess like themes too?

>>10515122
It's okay to be new, anon.

>>10515125
I guess you would know

>>10515124
There's no need for this kind of antagonism.

>>10515128

>>10515129

>>10515128
There's also no need for this kind of weird newbie assumptions about staple brand themes. It's like saying you find it hilarious a lolita brand "idolizes" a bear dressed as a bunny for making kumyas and kumya prints when there are other bunnies to make prints of like...brand mascots are a thing?

>>10515126
That comeback doesn't work when it's coming from a newfag, you know. kek

>>10515128
>>10515129
>>10515130

Hasn't someone posted detail shots of the poodle print already?

How is BTSSB shipping to the US currently? Or are they just not?

>>10515138
Not that anon, but I'd rather someone post the print so we can discuss how ugly it is rather than sperg about how brand doesn't cater to Western landwhales for the 500th time.

>>10515142
*BTSSB JP

>>10515144
In the summer they were shipping things to the SF store and then having it shipped from there. Guessing they're still doing that.

>>10515028
If you buy pleather at all you have no one but yourself to blame. That shit was never meant to take a serious walk in.

>>10515138
Nope.

>>10515149
Doesn't antaina do lolita shoes in real leather? I know they do boots.

>>10515151

Pretty sure it's been pisted in previous threads and we all know it's lackluster and disappointing like the majority of new AP...they aren't even doing lucky packs this year and I'm hella disappointed.

>>10515153
Alright, nice to know. I post these because I know people like to use them as phone backgrounds and some anons collect these backgrounds.

>>10515153
Only in the AP thread iirc and that was before it was officially released.

>>10515157
We already a thread specifically for print backgrounds. It's probably dead now but if you wanted to make a new one for that it would probably be preferable to have them in one place for anons to be able to go back to rather than having to look through generals.

>>10515159
I've been posting these for a while now, so I'm surprised to see opposition about it only now. I post these backgrounds as AP releases them. Whenever a new print goes up for sale, they change the background of their website to the print and I take it from there (well, not all the time, since I don't really keep up with AP). There is no point having a thread specifically for prints because there is simply not enough new content to fill it. Those threads have also historically been pretty unpopular, and they often end up dying before hitting max posts/images. Lastly, this is the lolita general. Anything lolita-related goes.

>>10515158
It hasn't. This is pure autism, but archives allow you to look for posts with the same image hash.
Pink: https://rbt.asia/cgl/search/image/jQUt9RTwudBrpRxklH243g/
Mint: https://rbt.asia/cgl/search/image/5G9aAStWVYa9riBSIiLIlA/
Gray: https://rbt.asia/cgl/search/image/kCwdSxTTMbSa7Uc87hXMJQ/
These images have very likely not been posted to /cgl/ before.

>>10515161
I'm not opposed to you posting them here at all. I was just letting you know the other threads exist in case you didn't know, plus it would be nice to keep those bg threads going so it would be easier to find them later. There is more than enough content to fill them with the various brand print releases weekly/biweekly plus including old ones people like considering cgl is a slow board.

>>10515161

Damn, why are people so defensive lately over the tiniest shit? Everything someone says here is not an attack on you or opposition to what you're doing.

>>10515164
You're getting pretty worked up yourself, anon. Calm your autism.

>>10515165
If anyone's autistic it's the anon who cared so hard to check the archives over a passing question about if something had been posted, which they admitted.

>>10514916
I'm not gonna creepshot the fat itas walking around the train station and subway

Everyone stop arguing and just talk about how ugly Lovely Poodle is

>>10515109
The dark square in this print is so ugly and out of place with the other colors

>>10515172
Well it's poly which I hate the look of but that will start another argument. Print is...lazy and simple but not in a cute way.

>>10515172
The polka dots and stripes were such an unimaginative way of filling space.

>>10515115
What's that...? Did they put a photo in between the drawings of the print?

>>10515172
it looks like bodyline. like scam contest bodyline (if you remember those)

>>10515174
Right? it’s weird and really sticks out. Also why is it a perfect rectangle when the other pictures are rounded shapes. It’s so incongruous

>>10515107
>>10515109
that's a fucking filtered photo on this print. wtf?

Do Cotton Candy Feet and MeLikesTea not combine shipping anymore? I don't see the info on their site.

>>10515107
They should fire who ever thought that it would be a good idea to put that picture of the mirror ballroom on the print. It stands out so much, especially on the worn photos. It is such an eyesore!

>>10515115
Damn, that headbow has some CHOMP in terms of head eating. Pretty cool.

>>10515118
It's probably because she is the most well known individual of that era so brands associate with her. And I think it's really logical due to her indulgent over the top lifestyle as you mentioned.

>>10515122
Can you give some examples? I'm genuinely curious and love reading about history. NTA that is beefing with you btw lol

>>10514689
Why on earth didn't they make the collar and waist bow different colors to add like...even a smidge of visual interest?

>>10515107
>>10515108
That rectangle piece is ugly as fuck and not cohesive with the rest of the color scheme or aesthetics. The rest of it is beautiful tho.
>>10515174
>>10515212
Agreed.

snagged a maxicimam coat on mercari for cheap yesterday. feels good. japanese secondhand market coats are always so cheap compared to what westerners sell them for.

As much as I wanted to like this cutsew set (the actual construction seems nice), the embroidery on the crown is HORRIBLE. It looks like babby's first hand embroidery project. Hand embroidery can look lovely, it just takes longer, but jesus you should probably just get a machine or an iron-on. I went on to the RRM site and at first was shocked it was still in stock but...well.

>>10515488
>This is bad
>Open thumbnail
>It somehow gets worse

>>10515488
$50 for that shit

>>10514689
Anyone ever had an issue with BB&B Deco? I just went through hell with them trying to order a christmas present. I'd never ordered from them before.

>Emailed for an update, kept being told "We'll get back to you," they didn't get back to me for over a week.
>Item was two weeks late to ship, so I asked them to change my address because I was moving. Had to ask three different people to get my address changed.
>I changed the address and it was confirmed changed on their website, but they still shipped to my previous address
>Item they sent was incorrect, with the wrong hardware option

I told them I liked the item and was disappointed in their service. They didn't respond. Just sent me a full refund and then banned me from their site. ....Okay? Is this a common thing they do? Why do people buy from them?

>>10515493
That's really unprofessional, what the fuck.

>>10515499
Yeah. I wasn't a regular customer of theirs to begin with so its no skin off my nose if I can't buy from them again, but I don't like that they can get away with unprofessional shit like this and there's not even a place to review them or call them out on it. Like what do I do? Is this a weird fluke or have they been like this with other people?

>>10515493
>>10515502
This seems really unreasonable so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.

I haven't heard anything bad about them. Their items are really nice. I don't understand why you have to make an account though before shopping? Tyler promotes them really hard because they sponsor her.

Anyone have more input?

>>10515488
Man I just started embroidering and even my first piece looked better than that.
Take talent to fuck it up this bad, especially since she's using it as a sample.

>>10515493
I've never ordered from BB&B but I always worry about this shit with indie brands. ime they're way worse at customer service than even the stereotypical inflexible Japanese companies. A Japanese brand might not give you a refund or let you return something, but they'll at least answer their fucking emails in a timely manner.

I'm still waiting to hear back from Lady Sloth. I placed an order 3 mos ago. Payment went through, and it's listed in the orders section on my account, and I got an automated confirmation email right away. But they never sent any kind of non-automated "we're working on your order" thing, so did they actually see it? idk? When I placed the order they were saying their turnaround was a few weeks, then they bumped that up to 2 mos. Obv it's weeks passed that point and they've listed a bunch of new products on the site, and de-listed some of the things I bought, so they're obviously active.

I sent them a message on the site about a week ago, asking about my order status. They still haven't replied. It's very frustrating.

idc if making the items takes longer than usual, but there should be some communication over the months of wait time. I bought winter stuff, thinking it'd be in b4 Christmas because of what they said on their site. Now idk if I'll get it b4 spring, or if I'll have to cancel the order or make a paypal claim, or if they've even started working on it at all.

>>10515493
I have had nothing but issues with BB&B Deco over my two orders placed. Two of my items just have defects, but thats the least of my worries. Placed order, they forget to send me something. It took them three weeks of constant emails for them to send me it. Literally just got my order from 10/23 today, and that was after harassing them for over a week to just send the fucking package out. They legit tried to fucking tell me that the package was on their shipping table, the delay was because of USPS and that they'd drop it off the next day. My friend's shit also came fucked up and she is currently trying to get them to fix a ring that came without a crystal and then another ring she had to fucking glue back on the base. Fucking done with this company, do not buy from them, fucking pieces of shit.

>>10515502
I fucking hate indie brands
>Order a headdress for SS
>item gets lost in the mail
>Send a pm to indie asking for help
>"Check the tracking info in the system. It's still in transit lol"
>Item is two weeks late
>Had to fill out a lost item inquiry myself

People shit on LM all the time, but at least I can put people on blast there

I can believe that there are plus size exclusive clothing brands including Lolita ones such as SSP, but I can't imagine paying $330 CAD for such boring jsks. I guess that might be your only option as an obese or morbidly obese person, because weight loss isn't an option, at least not in America lmao.

>>10515520
>Literally just got my order from 10/23 today, and that was after harassing them for over a week to just send the fucking package out.

Very similar to me. I also ordered back in October and had to ask them to just ship it. But with me they were very much like “I don’t know why it hasn’t shipped! Let me check!” And then silence. Until I would reach out again. My things didn’t come broken at least, just the wrong item.

>>10515502
Why did they block you for their fuck up? That sucks and so do they. They seem to only give a fuck about people in the same state as them or anyone who has bought 20 items off them.

>>10515520
BB&B is awful, people only say they like it because Tyler shills it so hard. It's a cheap shitty imitation of what Qpot does well

>>10515488
I was really excited for a stock update but it just seemed to be this, the bag and a few printed t-shirts...

>>10515172
It's not though? It's not the most original but it's reasonably cute.

>>10515488
Oh fuck that's awful. The rest of her stuff has always looked great, how do you fuck up a small piece of embroidery?

>>10515493
Is anyone else afraid to speak about stuff like this non-anonymously? I had a well-known indie brand never ship out an item and they just completely stopped responding to my emails. Never got a response on Instagram or fb either, but the whole western egl community is so nicey nice to so many very bad indie brands that I felt people would jump down my throat if I said anything.
There are so many fucking awful, downright ita western brands that get asspats while barely being bodyline quality.

>>10515574
I should clarify it was for a $14 accessory not a full dress, if it was a bigger item I would've persevered but it was exhausting

>>10515512
Lady Sloth constantly lied to me about when items would ship or be completed the 2 times I bought from them and took months longer to finish products they claimed would be ready by a specific release date.

>>10515576
I saw LS saying that orders were delayed because they were all unwell, but that doesn't explain why my blouse is taking three months to arrive. If I ever get the blouse it'll be the last thing I ever order from them.

>>10515574
We could start an indie brand horror stories/good and bad reviews thread or something so gulls can leave feedback on anon for these shitty brands' service or problems, and also note which indie brands are nice an reasonable or provide good service.

>>10515579
>>10515636

Has anyone started thinking about wardrobe posting yet or is that deader than dead at this point?

>>10515858
I was going to make one ._.

>>10515858
Some of my comm lurks here so I don't wanna out myself with my wardrobe.

>>10515858
i hope we get a lot of content due to people having nothing better to do in quarantine

>>10515858
I've though about it but then again, I don't want /cgl/ talking down on my choices so I'll just lurk the next one.

>>10515874

Same, I have no desire to volunteer myself for other gulls' scrutiny.

>>10515886
I don’t care about criticism, just don’t want to out myself.

>>10515858
I was considering making a wardrobe video this year but with the amount of gulls shitting over anyone who makes video content I'm reconsidering. There were also several people on RC who commented that making a video wardrobe post was considering "bragging" which makes zero sense.

>>10515870
I assumed they meant wardrobe posting on Livejournal or Instagram, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, I don't really get the concern about outing yourself if you know your comm also comes here. Wouldn't it be a bit hypocritical to shame you for doing the same thing they are?

>>10515886
This is exactly how I feel about making videos for the community, lol

>>10515901
They may just lurk, I post. They might assume I post the"bad" stuff if they see I posted anything.

>>10515870
>>10515874
>>10515886
I did mean on LJ or Insta or wherever the heck the kids are posting nowadays, not really here on cgl. That said we've traditionally had a thread for posting favorites and motivating each other to finish photographing everything.

>>10515873
Same DESU although I bet things have really messed with people's buying habits. Perhaps efforts shall be put towards photography?

>>10515900
Personally, I prefer picture posts with detail shots over a video but that's me. Mostly because it's a lot quicker to view. I don't understand the idea of it being bragging though, that seems odd.

>>10515904
The idea of cgl being the cesspit of the lolita community and everyone who posts here is an asshole is pretty silly in 2020 considering there is no other global lolita forum left that I know of (I don't count groups like CoF) and this place has been pretty tame since the great drama ban. Probably more tame than LJ was back in the mid and late 2000s honestly.

>>10515493
Piggybacking of this post but: does it weird anyone else out that you need to become a member before you can even order from BB&B? And they rarely even have slots open. It just feels so... Weird to me? Why make your customers jump through so many hoops just to order from you? Wtf. Very discouraging IMO

>>10515144
Use a SS if you're American. They haven't shipped my order after three months.

>>10515978
They acknowledge it will take forever to ship to the SF store with a bunch of other orders and then SF has to ship to you. If you can't wait then SS is definitely better.

>>10515942
I'd say it's because they mainly sell at anime cons but i'm not really sure that's true. They are too pricey for the itas, I can't imagine they make tons of money.

>>10515942
Yeah, I think it's weird.
Someone leak the prices please. Do it for the memes.

>>10516032
Maybe so their designs don't get copied? Sort of how Japanese or Chinese lolitas avoid too many proof pics to deter replica makers. But BB&Bs stuff is just lower quality ripoffs of what Qpot does well.

>>10516036
I can do it. It varies peice by peice, necklaces are usually anywhere from $35-55 a peice, anything else in particular you gulls would like to know?

Dear gulls,

I'm getting my girlfriend a chapel veil for Christmas. The two I'm looking at on Etsy are either in an infinity style, or a standard D-shaped veil. I figure you lolita lot would have experience with veils, so is there a meaningful difference in the comfort or fashion choices around these two styles?
Which would you prefer, all else equal?

Thank you

>>10516053
(as compared with something like this)

we did it! sugary carnival MTO

>>10516070
sauce? deets?

>>10516070
big if true

>>10516070
You got my hopes up regardless of if this is true or not, so if you're baiting I'm gonna be real mad

>>10516070
I'm calling bullshit since it's not on Lolita Updates or APs site

>>10516082
Eh, if they're at the AP tea party they could have announced it there and not made the new public yet.

>>10516070
Announced at the Zoom party along with 2 other old items

>>10516089
Spill then

Just read the Japanese Twitter.

>>10516093
No fucking way. I can't believe it

>>10516093
Wow China is speedy

>>10516098
They have me intrigued.

>>10516093
I'm way more hype for a nakayoshi bunny re-release, I hope ap will keep it as velveteen and have all the colourways available (I need black x pink)

>>10516089
My bad. I forgot about the online tea party

>>10516093
the sugary carnival MTO better come in blue and i am so excited for nakayoshi bunny.

>>10515512
>>10515576
>>10515578
Lady sloth was always kind of slow, but covid fucked their shit up royally. She posted how her mom and and another family member got covid so chill and accept it'll be another month or two at least.

>>10515488
This is what the buttonhole stitch on my old machine produces if I try to do it freehand with my eyes closed.

>>10515858
Planning on doing it but legwear only

>>10516093
It will be another big bluff like HC, in poly and for landwhales. I bet it will only make the older release even more exclusive

>>10516237
no one tell her

>>10516055
>>10516053
These are ridiculously pretty ,I haven't seen anyone wear a true veil in a long time since OTT classic stopped trending and gothic became formulaic with nu Moitie

>>10515512
I’ve been having so much trouble with small brands this year. BB&B took 4 months to send me a necklace. Last year lady sloth took almost 7 to send a MTO dress I bought (not from a timed release it was available on their site for a long time) and I played email tag for ever. I also inquired about blouse colors FOUR TIMES and never got a reply. violet fane has major quality issues. And then theres a ton of Etsy/Small Accessories sites have been slow, taking way more than the quoted time to ship out their stuff.

My thing is this. If you are running a business it doesn’t matter if it’s a lemonade stand or amazon, service matters. I am PAYING for a service/good and customers are owed at least good communication when things go wrong, instead of being left in the dark. Tons of these small shops are throwing around excuses about health or being swamped with orders but there’s a simple solution to it. Close the shop for a bit, limit order quantities, or at least send regular update emails to your customers!

It’s been so frustrating and I’m tired of writing emails that make me feel like a Karen just to find my order. Sorry for the rant it’s just really frustrating. I’ve finally gotten to a financial position where I can buy the clothes/accessories I want. I love supporting small/indie business but at this point I’m just gonna start giving my money to burando.

>>10516093
i am absolutely losing my shit

>>10516093
this cured my depression, thank you ap

>>10516237
Ok you can have your stained, faded 10 year old dresses that have had more owners for ~status~ than the ponies on the dress. And you can overpay for it too.

Meanwhile I, and the landwhales will be actually supporting the brand and designers that created this. It's because of people buying the new HC and the like that AP is even doing these re-releases.

If you want a dress for status you are boring af and have no personal style. Status dresses gain and lose their status as you can clearly see. No one cared about sugary Carnival for a long time up until sweet started coming back in like a year ago. Clearly dress status is so fragile since you are clinging so hard to it by deeming the re-releases less. In the mean time, I'll be over here actually enjoying my wardrobe for what it is, and my own taste in clothes.

>>10516115
My experience was well before COVID. Like last year summertime or the year before.

>>10515520
Yeah they suck.I gave a lot Ftom them, never had an issue before. But this year they’ve been shit. My most recent problem is that I ordered from them in September, I waited two months for them to ship my item that was sold as being in stock, not a pre-order. They finally admitted it was going to be a “little longer” but no specific date so they gave me the option to cancel and get a refund so I did. I had to email them to remind them actually give me my money, the kept saying they were gonna do it but never did. All the items I’ve bought from them this year have had defects or fell apart upon first wear, my older stuff is still fine. They’ve gone downhill and they’re cutting corners. This is what happens when you aggressively market your brand but don’t actually prepare for the increase in sales that results

>>10516278
Why do fatties always act like this

>>10516291
Chubby-chan but not a landwhale checking in here, we're not all this retarded, but also the point about status is valid in the sense that it is silly to buy for status. If it had been poly and someone just prefers cotton though that's fair enough reason to not drop any $$$ on it cause it doesn't suit your tastes.

>>10516040
I'm surprised that they have items that go for as low as $35. I expected their necklaces to start at $40.

>>10516252
if you go to a Latin mass, especially on a non-Sunday, you're going to see a lot of young women wearing chapel veils like that
that being said, my thought is that long non-infinity veil > infinity veil > non-infinity veil because veils contouring the face are great, and long non-infinity veils can be tied like this which looks amazing,

>>10516104
I cannot decide which colorway to get. Sax looks cute, but I'm loving the red one too. Which one do you like the best?

>>10516338
What are all the colorways confirmed so far? I want red and pink...I know sax is cute but I just prefer pink for main pieces.

>>10516338
Black x pink will definitely be the one I'm buying, though I think my second fave would be sax x pink (I don't have enough sax in my wardrobe to justify buying it though). Red is adorable but it's reminds me of Christmas too much lol (its the red x white pom poms that does it), it'd be nice if they include the darker pink version too

>>10516338
I think I'll get the redxwhite and the sax. I really want the blackxpink too though...

>>10516237
It’s going to be cotton lol you’re seething for no reason

>>10516278
Have fun sitting alone in a corner at meet-ups. No one will want to get closer than 10 m away from you since you will reek of BO from wearing a plastic dress.

>>10516467
It's going to be cotton most likely, and it just sounds like you have body odor issues anon. Try antiperspirant, deodorant, and showering rather than wallowing in the stench of the stained old dingy SC original release you paid $800 for.

>>10516473
It's confirmed to be cotton.

>>10516053
Get the second one. Infinity veil covers the neckline of a coord which is normally where a lot of the detail of the blouse collar and necklaces would be.

>>10516104
Doesn't look like velveteen sadly from the model shots but it's still cute in plain cotton

I need help finding info for a new brolita. I'm female, so I don't know the answer to this. What do you do for your top to fit the dress? His waist measures a size larger than his bust, so he has to get the larger size, but then the top would have too much fabric. Just wondering what y'all do to pad that out or whatever.

Also, best place for shoes? (I said Antaina and Bodyline)

Has anyone heard anything about the Elizabeth series? It was supposed to be released late September/early October and it’s now mid December.

I also got the velveteen babydoll which was on reserve a month later but has already arrived.

On top of that my last order from the Japanese site was in September, and I haven’t received that yet either. But I haven’t heard anything regarding any new shipping delays.

>>10516540
> I need help finding info for a new brolita. I'm female, so I don't know the answer to this
sure you are

>>10516545
Why would anyone lie about that?

>>10516544
I had Tenshi do a store reseveration/pickup that was a little later (I was in the second production iirc) and it's arrived there, so orders are definitely going out! Maybe there were delays and they're prioritising store pickup stock?

>>10516544
I’ve seen listings on fril, so some people have definitely gotten theirs.

>>10516540
From a chestlet: wear a stuffed bra

>>10514972
in my experience, brand shoes are basically the same quality as taobao shoes. Why would you spend that extra money for just for brownie points?

>>10515493
Not surprised they treated you like that. I had issues with them a few years back where they were a vendor at my convention. Their shop staff could not come. So instead of the manager asking the vendors hall for a refund they blamed the lolita staff for being unresponsive..? Unfortunately for them the vendor manager asked us what was up and she showed receipts which showed their claims were not true. When they were called out for their behavior the owner apologized. But it always stuck with me how weird of a knee jerk reaction it was to throw people under the bus when they could of just of professionally backed out. It's not like they would of been charged for the spot...

>>10516544
My friend who lives in Japan got hers last week.

>>10515942
I'd do it for my own shit if just to filter out shitty customers. I'm not defending or condoning bb&b's practices in the given examples where they were uncommunicative or shipped defective product, but having barriers to cross inherently filters out certain types of customers. Note that etsy's customer base became shittier and shittier over time as they started hitting the mainstream more.

Also stores can reserve the right to decide who they want to do business with. If you can take your money elsewhere, businesses can decide not to do business with you for whatever reason they deem. It may not be the best thing for their money but it's probably worth it for their sanity. Dealing with American customers is probably the worst in the rest of the world because of that entitled "customer is always right" mentality.

>>10516718
>don't cwiticize my business uwu

>>10516651
Have fun wearing the same three replicas in different colors.

Found this pretty amusing

So seeing k8 get posted in the ita thread not too long ago got me wondering--
The fuck ever happened to goose?

>>10516845
I have never met a well dressed lolita who's ever worn a "sweater coord".

>>10516473
It isn't just BO, it hangs onto deodorant too which just gets funky over time.

>>10517116
btw before anyone asks, I obviously wash my clothes, poly still does this

>>10517104
Got banned from Philly comm for financial harassment of other comm members, got a divorce from her husband (he was probably sick of getting cucked by goose's 10yr LDR gf or whatever), that's the last I heard

>>10516540
Broader shoulders compensates, he will most likely need that extra space

Anyone else on the East Coast still waiting for their Baby happy pack to budge out of SF?

>>10517342
I know Baby ships with USPS, which is having a full shit show right now.
If you have tracking number but says preshipment, it will stay like that possibly up to a week. If you don't have a tracking number yet, they could be backed up on orders.
But still expect your pack to be heavily delayed. All packages, even priority 2day, are taking for ever.

>>10517342
>>10517449
Damn I feel bad for people on the east coast.

My baby LP was delivered on the 7th. Shipped on the 5th. It took them longer to process the order than it took for shipping.

Still waiting for Baby JP to ship my LP but I'm sure that's going to take many months due to covid. It will be a nice surprise gift next year lol.

Is LM down for everyone else too?

>>10517657
yes. i'm so bothered, i just want to stalk listings again

>>10517657
Yeah

>>10517659
Has there even been anything worth stalking? I've been losing my motivation to check recently due to how dry it is.

>>10517672
LM is not dry, but anything good sells in under 10 minutes

>>10517679
This.

>>10517449
I have tracking, the latest update was that it arrived at the SF origin facility. I knew everything was gonna be delayed but I didn’t realize how bad it was until I went to the post office on Saturday. Took an hour and a half to reach the desk jfc

>>10517495
Lucky duck, I really want my Kumya shit lol

Honestly, most of my packages that came from out of the country have reached faster than domestic but I did pay for DHL. What shipping method are you using?

>>10517679
Maybe our tastes are just different, I haven't seen anything there that I've liked in ages.

>>10517818
The sellers have been using priority mail and I've received packages from Texas and various east side states. USPS is pretty hit or miss.

I'm still waiting for a package from TN, and its been delayed for a while. Also, USPS fucking sucks with signature required delivery at my house. The only do one attempt if any and don't even knock on the door, so I have to pick up items at the post office. I have a package from the east block of Europe as well that doesn't seem to have left the country, shipped 11/27. Followed up with the seller to see wtf is up.

The shipping has been going relatively well given the pandemic situation and USPS being shit generally. I wasn't expecting the international packages to come for some months, so I'm not mad.

>>10517820
what's your taste? i see a lot of good gothic, old school, and 2010 sweet. not much desirable classic though, so i guess you're out of luck if that's your style

>>10515493
This is all a shame, I've had good experiences ordering from them. Although everything I get is usually a preorder and takes a month or so to come in, but I'm never in a rush anyways. But I can believe that they would do this, and their store setup is definitely super weird for no reason.

I'm not sure if this is meant for the stupid questions thread but are any of you planning to do a wardrobe post? Where are you going to post it? Are you going to take photos/show your entire wardrobe or only the main pieces?

>>10519131
Not I. I don't want /cgl/ ripping me a new one because I have Taobao pieces. I have brand as well, but you all will find anything to bitch about. But I'll happily lurk the thread to admire others brave enough to post.

>>10519131
Hell no. I'm not open to being scrutinized by a bunch of chucklefucks for no reason.

>>10519131
I've thought about it because I haven't for a few years, but it's pretty late for me to start.

>>10519179
I haven't started yet either. I'm planning to photograph this weekend and post to Amino a little after the new year.

>>10519135
>>10519147
i don't think i've seen much negativity about wardrobe posts unless the photos are really awful. i do think it's more effort than it's worth though, especially with large wardrobes.

>>10519131
Yes i will post on LJ as always. I am going to do some quick pictures and post in January

http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/2021happybag/index.htm

Is AP SF, Paris, Shanghai gonna have lucky bags too? And are they typically the same or completely different?

Thank you, from an AP newfag.

>>10517130
I heard k8 sued her?

>>10519263
Oh my god these lucky packs are atrocious wtf

>>10519268
The lucky packs aren't even listed just the New Years specials

>>10519263
Cream Cookie Collection actually looks cute af in this colorway. And I am too busty for an apron skirt but they're adorable

>>10519263
uh oh i want them all. is this how i become a poly-fag?

Take this to the AP thread for fuck’s sake

>>10519263
CCC looks hella good in that color way and I hope made HC's waist 150cm

>>10519310
Holy shit 150cm is bigger than any measurement I've seen from any lolita brand (even maxicimam). Except maybe Meta's new big boi westerner plus sizes. You gotta be kidding, right?

>>10519304
This is the lolita general, it's fine to talk about all brands.

>>10519304
Gonna keep talking about ap in here just to piss you off :^)

I wonder if it's a new print or leftovers for the happy pack, mainly because I can't think of any salopette with a matching barrette that's still in stock. I interpreted the description as "it's random whether you get the jsk or the salopette".

Matsumura Naoki, the chief editor of Kera magazine and the GLB, has passed on earlier this month.
Pic is from https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1339404354021781505

Is it possible to buy 2 special sets from AP? I kind of want to get one HC for myself and a friend who also loves breakfast food motifs to twin together.

>>10519360
>150cm waist
>living
Choose one. Anon ain't gonna be living long enough to even enjoy any burando.

>>10515858
I want to post stock images of my wardrobe so I can find people who might want to do trades, but I don't have the daylight or patience to photograph 60+ dresses

>>10519360
That's a normal height measurement in lolita.

>>10519639
They were referring to a 150cm waist, not height

>>10519642
That was exactly my point. It's so big that it's more common to see it as a height measurement.

>>10519360
It was obviously a joke sperg

>>10519645
Yea idk, have you seen the people in the community these days? I have seen a lot more overweight/obese lolitas vs regular sized and petite ones.

>>10519660
I figured as much and asked that in my post. But I've seen enough hambeasts to
Know some people might be serious.

>>10515532
Newfag here, what’s SSP?

>>10519429
RIP

>>10519682
Spooky Sparkle Party. An infamously bad indie brand

>>10516544
I got second release reservation scheduled to ship this month but haven't heard from them, its reassuring know I'm not the only one who hasn't received anything yet though

>>10515547
She should get more shit for shilling them since they are such a bad company. "Influential" lolitas who shill scammy ripoff stores like this and Devil Inspired should be cancelled 2021.

>>10519921
damn it really is pretty much a bootleg q-pot isnt it?

Do you think this is lolita? Why/why not?

>>10520038
the dress has potential to work if coordinated well, but i think she'd need better/more intricate legwear (e.g. lace topped black OTKs or subtly printed tights), better shoes, and a more prominent hair accessory. the neckline of the dress is throwing me off too, so a lolita cardigan or bolero in black would fix that.

>>10520038
It is lolita just more mature. Style evolves as lolitas become older and need more subtle and elegant outfits

>>10520038
This is styled exactly like JetJ ads. If you don’t think this is lolita you know very little about lolita and nothing about classic.

>>10520038
Lolita coord needs lolita pieces

>>10519923
What stuck out to me most was the strawberry and macaron tower necklaces, they look like a mishmash of a few qpot designs with nothing original about it

>>10520288

>>10520289
Ngl I'd buy a replica if I can't find one secondhand but not from bb&b

Does anyone know anything about this apron skirt?? It’s from Misako’s Instagram story and I can’t read the japanese

>>10520296
says it's from a chinese brand. no clue which though, but if she's posting it's probably new?

>>10520038
This is literally so fucking alternative-normie

>>10520299
thanks anon! I love the applique, I hope I can catch which release its from

>>10520296
It was from a series by the taobao brand Wheat House, released about 2 years ago. It was posted on both Lolita Updates and Chinese Lolita Updates. I would link you the posts, but 4chan thinks the link is spam.

>>10520296
That weird color lace will never not bother me

>>10520307
thank you!!

>>10520296
>>10520307
Had a quick look and Wunderwelt are doing a pre-sale for this! all colours still available in the sizes under XL

>>10520056
Spoken like a true sweetfag

>>10520056
Sweet lolitas are the worst

>>10520427

>>10520428
WTF is with her side? Is it some kind of wound?

>>10520428
Is this some kind of fantasy about mutilating children?

>>10520429
kind of looks like a gummy worm?

>>10520291
Do you think they would have items from the other/indie brands they carry for this service, too?

>>10520038
>>10520102
As a classic lolita: It being styled exactly like JetJ ads is exactly why this is pushing it, for me. JetJ specifically style their ads that way because they try to distance themselves from being lolita. There's nothing wrong with that, nor is the fact that mostly lolitas buy from them, but that's still relevant to the argument, I think.

Basically, the question is: is wearing a single main piece from a brand the community considers lolita enough to make an outfit unquestionably lolita on its own? I don't really think so. It's a lovely outfit and I think the retro hairstyle and simple accessories look great with it, but I would hesitate to call this lolita without at least some more extensive detailing- either from the main piece choice, or the accessorizing/styling.

>>10520427

>>10520481
Gross... Did some nasty sex worker really do a lewd photoset in lolita?

>>10520481
Oh hell no, I fucking hate sex workers and now one of them is using egl for this shit? Fuck them

>>10520497
Yep. She has OF and does "ero cosplay"

>>10520481
Gross, she belongs to the streets.

>>10520306
There might be some leftovers left, but if you do decide to get one, for the red color way you need to use multiple colour wipes during washing if you do not want the applique to turn pink. I received a letter with mine saying you would need 2 of them for the ted one as well as a bunch of colourwipes, but my applique still turned a little pink.

>>10519267
what. more on this please? or is it on the farms?

>>10520481
>trw you have the exact same socks

>>10520291
https://buyee.jp/mercari/item/m89741859702

Wtf is the latest trend of not tieing your headpiece ties?

Yui Minakata gave birth and I believe she is retiring.
https://twitter.com/YuiMinakata/status/1341320730118524929?s=20

>>10521533

>>10520296
It's a skirt from Wheat House. I'm waiting on mine in the mail so I can't comment on its quality. There's a good review of it on YouTube.

>>10521533
>>10521534
I didn't even know she was pregnant! Someone please confirm if the part about her retiring is correct because I Google translated the statement she made on her Instagram and I didn't get that impression there, but maybe what she wrote on her Twitter was different.

>>10521533
Who is she?

>>10521533
>>10521542
I hope she doesn't retire! She's one of my favourite models ;_;

>>10521545
She's a well-known lolita/J-fashion model.

>>10521551
Sorry for seeming like a newfag. I've been wearing lolita for years but I only really know misako, midori, rinrin, and risa. And I also fondly remember model-san

>>10521562
She’s was Innocent World’s signature model for years. She does a lot for them with Misako and the two of them seem to hang out from time to time

>>10521562
It's fine, I hope I didn't come off like I was being rude. I just put "well-known" in case you were wondering why the OP posted her, like she's not a literal who or anything.

>>10521548
Sad to hear she's retiring, I quite liked her look in IW, but good luck to her!

On a sidenote- what the fuck, the Mucha tights were released in black? When did that happen?

>>10521533
So annoying that Japanese women quit doing things they love because they get married, or have children. Like I get taking a break or spending less time on hobbies, but I've seen so many popular Japanese models or fashion people quit once the baby's in the belly or the ring's on the finger.

>>10521700
I agree but also I do understand Japanese society places a lot of pressure on women to be SAHM and being a SAHM in Japan means actually doing lot of work and not just half-assing it like the ones here do.

>>10521703
I get that it's like that too - and it's stupid. I'm very against Japan's "give up who you are for your husband/for society", especially someone that was a lolita. But I guess the announcement is just them quitting modeling; they could still wear lolita in their free time.

Speaking of Lovely Poodle, Tyler's unboxing was so strange. How could you compare that mishmash dress to Milky-chan the Fawn? It looked pretty in some of her shots, but it doesn't hold a candle to Milky-chan. I feel like she's grasping at straws to keep liking AP.
>the absolute state of 2020 sweet

>>10521734
I was surprised she even bought it. The print doesn't even have anything interesting to it. Maybe she should go back and actually look at Milky-Chan again

>>10521734
Tyler's never sold any of her lolita pieces. None, not even one. because she's a top tier hoarder. So she'll keep this ugly thing forever.

>>10521745
i have a feeling she just buys new releases to buy a new release, if that makes sense. i mean good that the money is going straight to AP but the idea of spending patreon money on lolita feels kinda... slimy?

>>10521745
She must be desperate for views. Didn't she shit talk Lovely Poodle in LWLN?

>>10521782
Patreon takes a huge cut of the money, and before that how tf was she affording so much brand?

Also, I mentioned this in the other thread, she deleted a lot of posts from her instagram recently. I feel like she probably lurks here like almost every lolita does.

>>10521770
>top tier hoarder
Keeping your clothes because you like them? HOARDER

>>10521770
That's actually unbelievable. I've bought many things that didn't suit my wardrobe or never wore, and sold later on. She seems to wear her favorite pieces and jewelry in every coord, and leaves everything else to rot in her Cave of Dresses.
>>10521793
Calm down Tyler, owning 3 overstuffed racks' worth of pieces might be understandable if most of them were actually ever used.

>>10521800
Does tyler ever even wear lolita outside of her house/cons/meets? For some reason she seems like the type who would balk at going to a store in lolita.

>>10521542
i also can't see anything anywhere about her retiring. op where did you see that?

>>10521785
I remember watching her unboxing video on Melody Toys and she said, "so I've bought it with my own money" Does she gets her stuff gifted? I wasn't sure what she meant by that

>>10521817
Full disclaimer, I like Tyler. but that melody toys review was odd, She always bitches about high waist dresses...and then gets one and is like "This is fine actually" . I get trying out new cuts, but it sounded like she literally has never tried on a high waist cut before and was just talking out her ass before on LWLN.

>>10521785
>I feel like she probably lurks here like almost every lolita does.
I don't even watch Tyler but I know she lurks here since she literally got the idea of LWLN from cgl.

>>10521703
>half-assing it like the ones here do.
I lawl'd bc it's true.

>>10521784
she shit talks everything whether she actually likes it or not, that's the idea

>>10521825
It DEFINITELY is true. I’ve got a bunch of family members that are SAHMs and I can not for the life of me figure out what the hell they do all day because they still make their husbands do half the cleaning and their kids eat processed bullshit and they just use a lot of the shitty single use garbage that’s common in America instead of washing and reusing things, like those plastic bags people cover their pots with, and paper plates and napkins. A couple of them have so much free time they try to start shitty “businesses” like ugly jewelry or candles or lularoe. Like maybe you wouldn’t feel the need to try to start another job if you a) didn’t waste so much money on bullshit pre-cooked processed food and disposable everything and b) kept yourself busy by cooking and cleaning aka doing your literal job.
Goddamn this shit pisses me off. I’d love to be a stay at home mom and cook from scratch meals and take pride in having a beautiful clean home, instead I’m busy af working and try to squeeze that shit in the fest I can. If you choose to stay home, do it right.

Does anyone have a link for a quiz to test how well one's partner knows Lolita fashion? I looked through YouTube and Google with not much luck. Thanks in advance!

>>10521793
She has said she literally will never sell a dress... that's kinda hoarding.

>>10521734
It sounds weird, but I kinda get brand-whore dysmorphia when I watch her videos. She says she's a diehard AP fan, will never sell her AP, etc, which I completely identify with. But then she buys stuff Lovely Poodle and says how cute it is. Meanwhile I'm sitting there wanting to dry heave over how boring modern AP is.

>>10520478
What exactly does it need then? Honestly if she were to go any busier with the makeup or accessories it would detract from the dress, which is clearly the main focus of the outfit. It’s a busy print even though it’s in more subtle, muted colours, and anything more would look unbalanced. This is just a great example of a more mature coord, with more grown up choices on makeup and accessories, including footwear, than a lot of what’s seen as trendy within Lolita. Even within classic there is a big range, with some very cutesy and girly, some more mature. Personally I think that going for more typical footwear choices within the fashion would look out of place with this dress.

>>10522014
I'm with you. But she seems to enjoy modern AP for whatever reason.

>>10522060
Unfortunately, that's entirely subjective and an argument this community has had a thousand times, but it boils down to what 'feels' lolita from person to person. It's never going to be the same depending on who you ask, but I'll give my personal opinions on which aspects take away from the lolita feel. I could break down the aspects of it that I think add or detract from it feeling lolita to me, if you'd like?

Again, I think it's a lovely outfit, I just hesitate to really call it lolita.

Merry Christmas, gulls!

>>10521734
Because lamp
>>10522900
Merry Christmas!

I was suprised this sold out so fast after nobody really hyped it. I got mint but pink is cuter

>>10522986
Oops

>>10522900
Merry Christmas!