/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

just out of curiosity, how many items do usually you hold at your SS's warehouse before shipping the whole lot?

>>10496951
I think more in terms of weight than number of items. If I'm buying something heavy like boots or a coat for example, I'll ship it alone or with 1 or 2 other small items. Otherwise, I'll add things until I feel the shipping will start getting too expensive.

>>10496951
Usually I try to get a few things, especially small items like accessories that would be silly to ship on their own. So usually 1-3 dresses and a few small things too. Or maybe that's me trying to justify some more frivolous purchases...

However due to weirdness with international shipping at the moment, I have a backup of stuff in a warehouse in Japan. I'm starting to lose hope that EMS will come back anytime soon though, so I'll just have to pay a small fortune to DHL.

how the hell do I browse taobao? I can't look at any shop or item without the login screen popping up. Did I miss something?

Whatbare the benefits of felt hangers? Are plastic or wire hangers bad to use for dresses?

>>10496998
The felt gives it more grip and prevents your dresses from slipping off. Especially if it's a heavy dress. I don't really recommend hanging heavy dresses though because it stresses the neckline/straps.

>>10496979
Pretty sure you have to log in? Just create an account with your mobile phone.

>>10495448
They take it upfront.

Where can I get a decent split wig? And perferably not taobao.
My friend wants one for Christmas for casual wear and I have literally no idea where one gets one these days?

was grimoire an actual vintage clothing store (just with a particular aesthetic) or did they design their own clothing other than the tights and that zodiac dress?

>>10497020
Check Arda, Epic, and GLW. The easiest way to find one will still be through Taobao or a Taobao reseller. You’re guaranteed to find at least a handful through Taobao.

was grimoire an actual vintage clothing store (just with a particular aesthetic) or did they design their own clothing other than the tights and that zodiac dress?

also, did they remodel their museum-type store?

>>10497024
They used to be a secondhand store. https://tokyofashion.com/grimoire-shibuya-japanese-dolly-kei-vintage-fashion-wonderland/

>>10497016
Danke

>>10497028
thanks! wish i could've gone before they went normie.

>>10497020
Dreamholic has some on their worldwide storefront. Amazon also has some decent split wigs, but check the product reviews and pictures first.

Where do I find brand updates, like for upcoming releases? Things only reach me third or fourth hand on youtube videos or facebook feeds and I have no clue where these people get their info from

>>10497061
kek

>>10497061
twitter

>>10497034
Amazon wigs are just Taobao wigs marked up by 200-500% though. I’m assuming anon doesn’t want Taobao links because of the wildly varying quality between shops.

>>10497061
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram

What style would this be considered

>>10497509
classic, but you can style it sweet

>>10497509
sweet

>>10497509
Sweet

>>10497509
This is definitely sweet. >>10497524 must be an APfag if they think this is classic.

>>10497525
>>10497526
>>10497535
Can I coord it as if it were old school? The headdress that came out with it looks like this.

>>10497570
Yeah, it's basically old school inspired.

Are Angelic Pretty petticoats worth their price, or am I better off buying an offbrand one?

Been eyeing this one on the AP paris site since I need a new petti. Don't mind the 129 euro price tag as long as it has very good poof and doesn't deflate quickly.

fwiw I live in Europe so with customs fees it probably won't be that much cheaper for me to buy a high quality offbrand one elsewhere.

What are the differences between Gothic and Kuro lolita?

>>10497642
>Kuro
Kuro is an all black coord, doesn't necessarily even have to be gothic.

>>10497646
that doesn't really help much

>>10497657
um gothic =/= black
but kuro = black
you can have a sweet coord that is all black
you can have a gothic coord with no black at all
substyles aren't just about the color anon

>>10497657
What. How does that not help? Literally, Kuro is where everything is black. Gothic coords could have blue, black, purple, pink, white.

Have AP ever made OPs that fit people with western linebacker shoulders like myself?

Years ago when I used to cosplay, /cgl/ used to say that your wig had to be at least $40 or so to be a good wig or else it was Party City trash. I've been out of the cosplay scene for a long time since then and now starting into lolita, and I'm seeing wigs in the $20-$30 range for lolita. Are these wigs still bad and not to be trusted or did wig quality go up but prices went down?

>>10497686
Not necessarily. Look into brand reviews and you will find a lot of reasonable wigs in that price range. Your best wigs are still going to be more, but there are non garbage options in that price range now.

>>10497633
Not really

>>10497642
>>10497658
Kuro is usually sweet brands and styling, just in black. Gothic has totally different mood and styling and doesn’t have to be black. If you can’t tell the difference, you either need to lurk longer or you’re a dude.

>>10497686
>>10497689
But also, at the time you’re talking about a lot of people thought you were ita unless you were wearing a wig. That’s obviously not the case now. There’s just less emphasis on wigs in general atm.

>>10497686
Wigs will always make your coord look like a costume. Wig wearing lolitas give the entire fashion a bad name, but especially cheap wig wearing lolitas.

Fix your real hair. Unless you have alopecia or cancer there's no excuse.

>>10497819
Wigs have always been a thing in this fashion.

>>10497819
Ok edgelord

>>10497823
Yeah, they've always been a thing that makes your coord look like a cheap costume.

>>10497829
Sorry your hair is shit, try coconut oil hair masks and a silicone-free haircare routine with minimal heat styling and no colour treatments. Ganbatte!

>>10497835
I have pretty hair and don’t wear wigs, thanks. There’s nothing wrong with wearing a nice wig if you want to though.

>>10497839
Sure, if you want to get laughed at an insulted and have everyone ask you what character youre supposed to be. Wigs are for costumes, not fashion unless you're black.

>>10497819
>costume meme
Kek

>>10497665
Look for anything with full back shirring but you must also be tittless for you not to get the "boobloaf"

>>10497844

Actually wigs are more popular than ever in normie fashion and your favorite celebrity is likely wearing a wig to her party, but go off anon.

>>10497665
If you are small or average everywhere else OPs with shirred sleeves will fit you.

>>10497848
AP cuts actually account for boob pretty well as long as you're thin

>>10497866
This is nonsense for modern AP. I have small measurements but a DD cup and their cuts are not flattering.

Does anyone know what dress this is? It looks like an Emily temple cute dress

Is there a specific name for this aesthetic?

>>10497887
One more pic for reference.
(Oyasumi Hologram is an awesome band btw, shame Hachigatsu -- the girl on the left -- just graduated).

>>10497877
It is ETC. They don't officially name their prints, but it's been listed a couple of places with the name "Plush Toys."

>>10497819
We get it, you’re poor or have an egg head and cant wear wigs

>>10497887
>>10497888
That's just generic streetstyle, chinese-inspired stuff would be just チャイナ系.

>>10497819
But I have worn wigs and sew-ins for years outside of lolita. Sounds like you may have been using bad wigs or wigs that are too colorful for you.

>>10497633
I have the same petty in white since 2013 I think and it works super well

Is it weird/rude to request a seller give you feedback for buying from them on LM? My account is recent so I have barely any ratings, and I'm concerned about that putting off future sellers.

>>10498255
No, just ask

>>10498255
I would like to know this too! I think it might be too late for me though because it’s been like a month now lol... so awkward.
Sort of related, what about waiting for payment? I won a bid but the seller has not contacted me yet, should I just stay patient?

>>10498255
idk but for future cases i recommend messaging them once the item arrived to say that it arrived safely and that you left them a positive feedback. that reminds them to reciprocate without explicitly asking for positive feedback.

>>10498265
i do this for every purchase and it always goes well, but i did once have a seller just flat out ignore me, what did i do

>>10498255
go ahead and ask, some buyers dont want feedback because they had people stalking their purchases so I stopped unless they ask me

Having a hard time finding loliable jewelry that isn't food or pearls, specifically necklaces and bracelets. How do I search for this stuff? Any shops you guys go to? I would think that searching for sakura/cherry blossom jewelry would be easy but finding bigger pendants that aren't the size of my thumbnail is proving to be challenging.

>>10497867
I doubt you really do have "small measurements." I wear padded bras with AP and I'm 30DD. My mom who is 28F swims in AP. The only to not look good in sweet while being thin is if you're deeply hourglass.

>>10498288
Western lolita deco shops are trash. You'll have better luck looking on taobao.

>>10498288
Other jfashion brands like axes femme, liz lisa, ank rouge sometimes make cute jewelry

>>10498288
What style do you wear?

Bb&b sometimes has non-food stuff. Automatic Honey has non-food stuff. But honestly if you wear sweet or classic I would just look for normie brands like Les Néréides.

etsy shops:
MyInspirationJewelry - sells embroidered floral brooches and necklaces
JellyCherry - mostly deco food things but also some animals and other cute things
thefablemarket - OTT stuff, looks like mostly clay sculpted pendants and resin
CheekyCuteBoutique - dainty sweet stuff
PeachandParfait - OTT stuff

SolSiniestra - gothic
DefyJewelry - mostly gothic
openthecellardoor - more gothic stuff
ArcanaXIII - gothic pieces, mostly pagan stuff
FromBeyondDolls - more gothic stuff
mMURMURES - weird gothic stuff
SweetFuryJewelry - personal favorite, sort of unusual gothic art pieces
MisfitMakes - lasercut jewelry, weird stuff that could work for a variety of styles
JewelrywitAttitude - a mix with a bunch of ugly stuff, but some pieces would work good for gothic or punk, maybe even classic or sweet

LEATHERWEAPON - handmade leather stuff for punk

>>10498295
In this vein, where do you guys get your decoden cases? All the ones I've found has shit whipping

>>10498293
I'm 82-63 with a 28DD cup. I don't consider swimming in a dress to be the same as looking good. A number of AP dresses I've owned have been simultaneously too wide but also too short in the bust area to the point where the bodice wouldn't neatly sit under my chest..

>>10498295
>>10498297
>>10498308
Oh damn, thanks! I wear classic and sweet. Been looking for cherry blossom, lions, and white flowers for coords I'm putting together. This def helps, thank you!

Besides Tokyo Fashion does any body have any other good websites for street pics? Or a gallery of alt jfash at least?

>>10498384
Harajuku Fashion Walk

>>10498384
Harajuku Pop, Street Girls Snap, but you might as well just look in the スナップ tag on IG and Twitter.

what is some cool jpop? some of the modern stuff is pretty based

>>10498384
Japanese Streets, ACROSS Street Fashion Marketing, KERAstyle

ACROSS isn't 100% alt, but their archive stretches back to the 80s so it's an interesting look into regardless

Has anyone ever seen one of those types in real life?
If yes please show pictures I'm curious

Is there's any way to fix/straighten out lace that has curled up? Going over it with my iron doesn't seem to help

>>10498822
try steaming, or wash the piece and lay the lace flat while it dries

How do I stop bonnet from falling?

I'm trying to order from Na+H and their instagram says to use fromjapan but when I paste the url into the search bar it's saying no results. What am I doing wrong?

>>10498912
Have you created an account on FJ yet? Log in, then put the address in the search bar. It should redirect you to a page where you can input some info about the product. Fill in all relevant info and submit the form. FJ will take a while to process it and then return with a quote. Once you pay the quote, then they will purchase the item for you.

>>10498802
dandymcbull on insta is the chaddest cis male ouji/aristo I've ever seen

>>10498919
Yeah, I created an account after a couple attempts but still nothing. And I've tried the url with and without the www. I've also tried "other sites" and pasting it in there.

>>10498827

Sew wig clips into it. That's what I do with berets. My hair is really thick and hatlike pieces just slide off easily until I started with clips.

>>10498925
Huh, okay. It worked for me, but I'm a long-time user. I'm wondering if it's because your account isn't set up yet, like you haven't linked some sort of payment method. In any case, go to the "Contact Us" tab and send them a message, they're usually pretty responsive.

>>10498933
All right. Thanks for the response!

What's the current status on ems shipping to the US?

What is the japanese word for braids? As in hair

>>10498827
>>10498932 is good advice. What works for me as well is tieing the ties in the back, underneath my parted hair, rather than in front. I do have really thick hair though so that might make a difference.

I want some mushroom dresses, anyone know which prints are the best?

>>10499023
I am >>10498932 and also prefer tying my bonnet in the back. I feel like I'm choking when I tie it in the front unless it's so loose that it isn't holding it anyway and it more for decoration.

Sorry if it's a bit off topic but any idea how to preserve the blingee flash software ? I loved edgy j-rock/ anime blingee but since a few month you can't even make blingee if you don't have an account. I would be so sad if the huge blingee stamp library disapeared with flash.

How can you properly coordinate a lolita skirt without looking like a complete ita? I usually only get jsks since I find making coords with them much easier (and just in general, like them better) but I was gifted a skirt I would like to wear but don't wanna look like a lot of the trashfires on CoF

I need a new petticoat and I haven’t bought one since Classical Puppets was the accepted superior choice. What’s the best these days? I’m looking for an A line with medium poof and possibly a bell shape as well.

>>10499343
Cutsews, cardigans, berets, crew socks, and colorblocking are your friends.

Are bodyline blouses any good?

>>10499006
The standard braid where you split the hair into three sections is called 三つ編み(みつあみ)。Romaji is "mitsuami".

>>10499731
Yes

Has anyone been ordering any with Muuh recently? What kind of shipping does she use?

Are there any lolita comms in Italy? Had a browse around FB but couldn't find anything apart from some pages that were last active in like 2018

Does anyone have Cream Cookie Collection's JSK bodice measurement? (So from shoulder to the waist seam?)

I am trying to figure out if the bodice of the OP longer than the JSK, as it appears in photos. I really appreciate any help!

>>10499832
are you asking about the HW cut? if so i can provide measurements!

>>10499006
放電

Does anyone here use FromJapan? If so, do they allow you to declare item value? I'm seeing conflicting accounts on different sites.

>>10500180
yes, you can write in the value when you go to ship your items from their warehouse (charge 2) if you want i can post a cap since i have some things in the warehouse.

>>10500181
Thanks anon, just wanted to make sure!

>>10499868
Oh sorry yes, the hw version! Thank you so much!

WHEN IS JAPAN POST GONA START POSTING ABROAD ?

>>10500449
Never. Covid is just a convenient excuse to be isolationist.

>>10500451
SHIT

how hard is velvet to take care of? i'm eyeing a velvet skirt

>>10500453
As long as it’s not screen printed, you can take it to be dry cleaned

>>10500451
No, the main problem is the lack of passenger planes going back and forth

Is there a defined shilloette for ouji, the way there is for Lolita? Is there a Hoe To Ouji somewhere that's idiot proof? I want to make the jump but don't wanna be Nouji

>>10500550
How To

for those of you who get your dresses tailored to be smaller: what's a general range for what i should expect to pay

What the fuck is that v shaped waistline called? I love it so much but I don't even know how to describe it.

>>10500995
Basque waistline. You could have googled this.

>>10500995
Sir, this is the stupid question thread.

Any prominent lolita models with monolids? I'd love to see how they do their eye makeup since my monolids are super thick and everyone else I can think of and follow have double eyelids. I'll take non-lolita Jfashion models too if there aren't any lolita ones.

>>10501029
Oops meant to direct that to >>10501007.

>>10499741
She closed down mate.

>>10501046
She still takes orders for AP.

Is it okay to use a cutsew in place of a blouse under a JSK or would it seem lazy? Or does it depend on the cutsew?

>>10501048
Only for certain amounts and only until she runs out of coupons.

>>10501097
What do you think cutsews are for? They’re not supposed to be worn only with skirts, if that’s what you thought. I‘m talking about proper cutsews though, not cute t-shirts.

>>10501097
Yep, this is fine! Depends on the cutsew and dress though as to whether it’ll look right - some cutsews (e.g. a lot of the AP ones) can be super intricate and ruffled and pretty vs some cutsews aren’t much more than frilly T-shirts. Dont wear cutsews with, like, OTT elegant shit since they are inherently more casual, and you’ll be fine

>>10501105
you sound like a "middle sister"

is aatp really as shit quality as people say it is? i really like some of their prints but i keep hearing it's terrible next to baby. has it always been like that?

>>10501153
it's a newer development. some of their fabric/trim choices have always been a little questionable though to me. but as a mainly pirate themed brand it makes sense they'd lean a bit more costumey. especially now that baby is a bit lower in quality, their shot down even more from before.

>>10501153

Depends on which print or dress. For their new stuff, usually. I feel like you can often tell from their stock photos if it'll be a decent one or not.

I know flat platform shoes are easy to walk in and your legs won't start hurting after walking a bunch, but seems like the (Bodyline) rocking horse shoes have a slight curve. Does that make any difference? I'm planning on wearing them for a whole day sometime and don't want to fuck up my legs

Are Closet of Frills threads banned? Wondering why I haven't seen one

>mfw my dream dress arrived with undisclosed stains
I already got a small discount because it goes for about $10 more on average and the stains are still kinda small, is it even worth it to message the seller? I've never had to do this before

Does anyone know when IW will start shipping to the US again? Does it depend on when Japan Post does?

>>10501435
Yeah. If you really want something get a shopping service.

Not sure if this belongs here or the hair and makeup thread. Is there any shopping service that is willing to ship perfume from Japan to the US? I know tenso does not and they're the only ss I have any experience with.

>>10501425
I think they just kind of died. Nobody was posting them or bothering to dump images anymore.

What are some tags I should use when looking to browse angelic pretty stuff on fril and mercari? I used to just use "angelic pretty" or "angelic" and would see tons of listings, but now it's always the same old shit. Are people just selling less than they used to, or did they start using different keywords and I'm an old grandma?

>>10501480
Dude just search by brand

>>10501473
It's the alcohol content that makes it difficult to ship perfumes overseas. You aren't likely to find someone who will do it.

>>10501484
I know it's marked as a dangerous good, so I figured it'd be hard to find someone. I thought I might have some luck with a personal ss instead of a big one like tenso though.

>>10501485
Japan Post, Yamato, DHL, and EMS won't ship perfume internationally. Unless you can get a shopping service to lie on the forms, you aren't getting it out of the country.

I have the the AP Jewelry ribbon shoes in size M but they are too big (even with two socks on) would tea parties' M also be the same size or should I get S? I'm afraid that M would be too big and S too small.

How much did the Lolita/Gothic Lolita/ Otome subcultures had to do with drugs?

>>10501578
Novala Takemoto (Shimotsuma Monogatari/Kamikaze girls author and has worked closely with BTSSB) was arrested for marijuana in Japan back in 2007. They take weed really seriously in Japan (or at least they used to, idk if laws or social attitudes have changed since I last researched this) and it's a bigger crime than it would be in the USA. But that's really the only relation desu, and that's not a strong connection.

Since Japan has such strict drug laws, I kind of doubt drugs shaped the fashion subcultures of lolita that awful much. I'd wager a bet gyaru was waaay more likely to be influenced by drugs than lolita.

>>10501579
the thing is that since drugs are such a no no, I kinda feel that even if it was part of the culture its something that we will never really learn about.
its kinda obvious that a lot of the fashion subcultures were closely related with clubbing & partying not to mention people wearing the fashion where on the fringe of society.
I recently came across this vice article about drugs & clubbing in Japan, that made me question this
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8q7k/how-stigma-created-japans-hidden-drug-problem

>>10501581
though its vice and I tend to take everything they publish with a grain of salt

>>10501581
>>10501579
japan hates weed specifically because of korea's historical relationship with it and the fact that the us helped write their constitution during the tail end of "reefer madness" that was going on there. in general they care less about other drugs.

>>10501602
I once heard that while drug usage in general in Japan is really low on average, the most commonly used one is METH. That's crazy to me.

>>10501604
Whoa wtf? Do you have a source? I wanna know more.

>>10501610
I don't remember where I learned it, it was a while ago. It might have been from a Japanese teacher at uni, it might have been from a Jvlogger years ago doing a video; it was a long time ago.

>>10501610
>>10501614
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8q7k/how-stigma-created-japans-hidden-drug-problem
they also say it in the article above>>10501581

>>10501636
Holy shit the Japanese government encouraged meth use to improve workers' productivity during the war and shit but then criminalized it heavily later. Ain't that a bitch.

>>10501515
> I'm afraid that M would be too big and S too small.
This is me (feet are 23 cm on the dot and narrow) and I avoid tea party shoes desu. My feet hit the ends of the S and it’s painful. The M flop around and you can see the empty space. For other shoes I get M it’s not as noticeable. I think wearing shoes a little too big makes your legs look slimmer while too small makes them look more chunky too. Occasionally they’ll put out a style where the S is 23 cm so I watch for those.

Your feet might be different than mine so it might be worth it to get a cheap secondhand pair just to try and see.

>>10501694
Thank you anon. I'll buy a cheap pair secondhand and try that.
It's weird though since when I checked my foot size it was 22cm (I measured it twice to be sure). I have a pair of Bodyline shoes which are 23cm and tight so I thought AP M size which is 23,5cm would fit but they don't. I wish the shoe sizing was consistent all the time..

I wasn’t able to pick up a package from FromJapan a while ago, so it got sent back to them. They’ve confirmed that they’ve received it, but it’s been “scheduled for reshipment” for like two weeks now. Has anyone else had this happen? Usually when you schedule things for shipment normally it only takes them a couple of days, is there anything special about re-shipping things that have been sent back that takes extra time?

>>10501809

nayrt. It's probably the width/space rather than the length. If your feet feels squeezed it's usually the width, or the actual size of the shoe (as in, the space encased by the shoe is just too small to contain your feet).

If your toes curl up and have no room to lie flat (or if they hit the ends of the shoes like other anon says) then it's the length.

There's also some folks who are simply in between sizes, so M might be too big and S too small.

It's just an unfortunate part of shopping online that you can't try on the shoes to spot problems like these. If the shoes are too big, then I'd suggest padding it with more inserts to make it wearable. Or, give up on lolita shoes altogether, buy white/beige shoes and learn to paint/customise normie shoes to suit your wardrobe.

>>10501981
It most likely is the width. I have a bunch of sosic shop's shoes and the size 37 fits perfectly (I also have some in size 38 which are just a bit too big) I only really wanted to buy a pair of fitting authentic AP shoes to wear to official events/when visiting the stores. I don't mind replica shoes for daily use as pleather shoes are awful but it's cringy to wear replicas to official tea parties.

Which is more comfortable: antaina shoes or angelic imprint shoes? I only have angelic imprint and love them but considering buying antaina too. My feet are 21.5cm btw

>>10502008

They're both made from similar materials, similar builds, at pretty much similar price levels, so both are pretty much on similar levels of comfort/discomfort (I mean, neither brand are orthopedic shoes so it depends on whether you find fashion shoes comfortable or not. At least neither brands are thin cardboard shoes, so they're not completely uncomfortable)

If comfort is a big factor, go half size up and pad them out with shoe inserts. If it isn't, I'd just go for the shoe design you like the most from whichever brand.

>>10502008
Antaina shoes are really ugly in person (their tea parties, anyway). Secret Shop is leaps and bounds better.

>>10502034
Nayrt but damn I just ordered a pair of Antaina boots from Amazon (they are probably pricier there but I feel more comfortable as far as getting partially refunded if express shipping is late or any mistakes happen).

Hopefully they turn out alright. I was having trouble finding any lolita boots with no heel and they happened to have some. Idk why but even tea party height heels are just not appealing to me these days and lolita boots tend to have the highest heels.

Do Japanese lolitas watch western YouTubers like Lor, Tyler, or even Rose Nocturnalia and FluffyKawaiiJo? I'd imagine they would watch Misako but idk about western lolitas

Is there a way to do updos in a way that would be suitable for a person with large ears but a round face? Normally I have to keep my hair down to cover my ears and the sides of my face, but I want to experiment with some actual hairstyles. I sorta think something like pic rel could maybe work but Idk how to do a half ponytail without showing my ears

>>10502064
Japanese lolitas probably watch Japanese speaking content. Japanese lolitas probably also gain no value from their channels even if they are good enough at English to sit through Lor's stammering breathy way of talking and Tyler's verbose LWLN segments.

Does anyone have more complete scans of OnS book 8, particularly the cutsew (?) which is pattern 11 pages 26-28? I bought book 7 from an ebay seller but the patterns were from book 8. Even a snapshot of the coordinate photo would help because I can't even see what the whole thing is supposed to look like. Thanks!

>>10502064

Lor is ugly
Tyler is too edgy and not cutesy
Rose Nocturnalia is black and Japanese are still kinda racist
FluffykawaiiJo is fucking ugly

>>10502200
Seconding for scans of book 8 because I desperately want that lined coat pattern.

>>10502150
that hairstyle should work out for you anon. Also, check out other low updos like chignons and the like. here's a link to a few for inspo: https://therighthairstyles.com/low-bun-hairstyles/
Alternatively, you could do other high updos, but just pull of some face-framing strands at the front to cover your ears a bit. I do the same, but because my face is very round/wide so I look like the moon emoji if I have all my hair pulled back

>>10502064
Most of them don't speak English so no

>>10502064
I think they watch cathy cat. The only one I could imagine them watching is Lor

>>10502064
i (not jp) just watched one called Dreamy Tea Time that was in jp with eng subs, but she looks western. idk her deal. maybe they would watch her since she speaks jp.

One thing I noticed with Japanese lolita YouTubers, they tend to fully buy-in to the cuteness and elegance of lolita, like they'll try to act cute, whilst western lolitas just act like themselves or don't bother pretending to be cute. Why is that?

>>10502234
Because they consider other behaviour as ita:
https://classical-alice.com/2017/11/26/%e3%80%8c%e7%97%9b%e3%83%ad%e3%83%aa%e3%80%8d%e3%81%a8%e3%81%af-%e3%82%b3%e3%83%bc%e3%83%87%e3%81%a0%e3%81%91%e3%81%98%e3%82%83%e3%81%aa%e3%81%8f%e8%a8%80%e5%8b%95%e3%82%82%e6%b3%a8%e6%84%8f/

>>10502234
>>10502236
I think it's more that youtubers of all nationalities try to put on a persona.

If you've ever met JP lolitas irl, or even watched videos of them (shop staff, girls on the street, anything) there's a big range of how they act. Some go hyper cute or do the squeeky little girl voice, some act regular, and some even act very tough and use more masculine speech patterns. But they definitely don't think it's ita to act normal like classical-alice link implies. Otherwise half the shop staff of all the brands would be ita!

>>10502246
>But they definitely don't think it's ita to act normal like classical-alice link implies.
Seems like you haven't seen the jp side of Twitter then, or the 4ch lolita threads.

>>10502246
>But they definitely don't think it's ita to act normal like classical-alice link implies.
Seems like you didn't even read the link because it doesn't, and it's considered ita to speak in a way that's rude or slang like the west does.

>>10502286
wut?

does anyone here have experience with minimizer bras? my boobs aren't crazy gigantic, but they're on the problematic end for a lot of lolita blouses. even an inch or two off my bust would help, but i'm worried that a minimizer could result in a weird silhouette or be super uncomfortable.

>>10502304
I don't have a minimizer, but I do use a binder and that shit really works. It wasn't anything major, but it totally took off 2 inches and made everything evenly flat.


I got mine from gc2b

>>10502304
minimizers just make it look smaller but don't take off much if any inches, you need a binder like other anon is saying.

>>10502246
Even Misako made a whole YouTube series on how to behave in Lolita to not be ita.

>>10502286
Sounds like someone hasn’t seen Kamikaze Girls

>>10502323
That was tongue in cheek

>>10502315
>>10502319
ok, thanks anons! i'll look into it.

>>10502323
It’s a joke, unless you really plan on carrying around bone china in your purse

>>10502334
>no kumya with a full tea set and tiny cucumber sandwiches in it
and you call yourself a real lolita

>>10502334
You don't? Poorfag

Can someone explain to me why its important to wear a cupcake shape petti with a cupcake shape dress? I'll be honest I can't tell the difference between that and an A-line

>>10502385
A cupcake petti + an a-line dress will look overstuffed
An a-line petti + cupcake dress will look deflated
http://kawaiibuk.blogspot.com/2014/05/kawaii-b-ultimate-guide-to-petticoats.html?m=1

>>10502393
>http://kawaiibuk.blogspot.com/2014/05/kawaii-b-ultimate-guide-to-petticoats.html?m=1

Wow, thank you!

I was looking for a few Christmas gifts for my gf and I wasn't sure whether I should buy more dresses or maybe get her some shoes/accessories instead this year. She has a decent amount of dresses, but there's two that she's been wanting for a while. On the other hand, she only has like 1 pair of shoes since she really only got back into it last winter and never got to go to comm meetings before rona.

If shoes/accessories are the better option, any reccs for brands that can accommodate for an 8.5/9 foot?

>>10502429
I'd let her pick out her own shoes and accessories desu. Unless you know what shoes and blouses and accessories she's looking for. like EXACTLY, don't do it. I know I can trust my bf to buy a print I like if I tell him about it. That's easymode. But if he were to surprise me with a blouse or accessories that he picked out on his own... the chances of me not being able to coord them properly are so much higher.

You say there's two dresses she's been wanting for a while - go with one of those. Also ya girl got some big feet, she'll likely need custom sizing from a taobao shop.

>>10502429
My boyfriend gives me his credit card and a spending limit. It's easier than him trying to guess what I want.

>>10502436
Also a good idea, personally I just send him items I'm wanting and let him choose from the list. I trained him how to use an SS to buy from mercari/fril, and I let him use my LM account for anything from there.

>>10502435
>>10502436
Tyty, gonna keep lurking fril and closetchild til I find one of em.

>>10502435
>>10502436
Tyty, gonna keep lurking fril and closetchild til I find one of em. Maybe I'll just give her my card to pick a pair too.

I want to buy a listing on LM and the seller's TOS says specifically to comment first before buying. I PM'd her but she's in a totally different timezone and I'm worried about someone else BINing the listing before she gets back to me. It's expensive and has been up for a while so it's unlikely, but I'm still worried because it's a borderline DD.

Should I just go ahead and hit the BIN button now even tho her TOS says not to? I don't want to be some sort of overly aggressive buyer or anything, I'm not really sure of the etiquette.

>>10502462
No. If she asks to comment before buying why would anyone else buy it without commenting too?

>>10502470
if you shave and take a pic from a different angle you might be able to make it look a bit bigger

dumb question but would it look weird if i wore a main piece with a bow of a different fabric? specifically thinking about pairing velveteen with cotton

>>10502474
Depends on the exact combination of items, but it can work

Is there a lolita themed sticker pack for telegram?

>>10502517
I was actually planning on making one eventually, if I do I'll drop the link here

I can't find this AP ring on lolibrary. Anyone know the name?

I have shoes that are too small for me and I already have tiny feet (34 EU). I tried selling them second-hand but no luck. Should I just donate them?

>>10502575
Same thing happened to me. Yeah just donate them.

>>10502548
looks like twinkle ribbon to me

>>10502304
>>10502315

Tired of people recommending binders in this fashion. You'll end up looking 'flat all over' literally just like anon has said. That doesnt look good. It still looks like youre too big or overall fat for the fashion.

The ONLY way to fix a blouse or dress being too tight in the bust is to loose weight or buy another item. Its that simple.

>>10502607
My BMI is 16 I need a binder for my big honkers
Unless I'm wearing gothic/ero my unbinded tits are going to make everything look awful

>>10502575
If you're on social media and want more followers do a giveaway?

can i use a lighter to fix fraying ribbon on my AP wristcuffs? they're new but starting to show wear at the bow ends already...

>>10502639
That seems useless, lolitas like free shit but no one wants shoes that don’t fit

>>10502746
I did it on some frayed secondhand AP ones I have and it worked. Trim the frayed bits first if they're kinda long. Just be careful and try not to directly touch the ribbon with the fire, just hold it dangerously close to the fire so it just melts a little and doesn't burn.

>>10502768
this. if anything anon should list them on LM for free with buyer paying shipping cost. this happened to me before with some really ugly size S shoes and that was the only way i could sell them.

>>10498553
>>10498405
>>10498695

cheers anons

>>10502600
Thank you anon! That's the correct name. It seems lolibrary doesn't have the ring in the database, so that's why I couldn't find it.

How can I explain the fashion to someone who doesn’t wear it? They think it’s from the book.

>>10502852
I really wouldn't bother unless you care deeply about their opinion. I spilled to my therapist of three years and she got so staunchly determined that it was related to the book and would not listen to me no matter what I said, which I guess is my fault for bringing up lolita to a shrink, but I just wanted to share my hobby. Pretty sure she thought it meant I was into ddlg and shit. I had to find a new therapist after that.

does tenshi mark down packages? I've been wanting to use her service but i dont want to be hit with customs

>>10502865
No, and most personal ones won't because it's illegal

>>10502852
I'm guessing you've gone through the normal spiel about Japanese street fashion, victorian inspiration, and social rebellion.
>>10502856
Agree with this anon.
If they're that dead set in it, they won't listen to reason. My English professors have been the worst to talk to about it, because their brains are totally stuck in comparing everything to the literary canon. At some point, you just have to cut your losses and know that your reasons for wearing it are the only important thing. Everyone else can live with their misjudgments.

>>10502852
some people are dead set on thinking it's a fetish or in relation to the book and literally nothing can change their minds because they're know it all retards

My parents were like this for like 2-3 months when I first got into it but eventually with enough constant sperging on my part and exposure they stopped and realized it really was just an unfortunate homophone

>>10502856
its a close relative of mine. she likes gothic lolita/coords but she finds AP too girly and borderline ddlg.
>>10502875
I have but I think I didn't explain it well enough.
She was an English major as well and loved the book in a literary sense, but not the pedophilia part. She was really weirded out when I told her about Closet Child since it sounds bad to her.
>>10502877
She mostly thinks the term derives from the book but I don't know how to explain it doesn't. Her defense was that the book came out in 1955 and the fashion "started" in 1970, 15 years after the book. She also said that just because the fashion has Victorian inspiration, doesn't mean it couldn't have come from the book. the rest of my family thinks its a fetish, which sucks, but my grandma finds it cute so at least theres that.
I just don't know how to explain it. I'm not new to the fashion, but I've also haven't bothered to "do the research" about the history.

How do you take photos of your coords? I'm guessing with your phones?
Where can I get a decent phone stand?

>>10502927
You can get a phone mount for a standard tripod pretty much anywhere online

Do people wear large barrettes? I've only seen the small ones in OTT.

>>10502920
I would explain that Japan has a different interpretation than the west does, seeing Dolores as empowering heroine vs Humbert being a creep.

>>10502920
the name "Lolita" existed way before the book came out. It's a real name (or nickname).

>>10502920
to be fair, the name IS linguistically connected to the book, but sort of because of japanese people playing telephone with and coming up with altered meanings for english words. it isn't like you could look up "lolita" in the dictionary- it was just a given name, not a concept. as best i can tell from reading online, a translation of a novel named Lolita (inspired by but not Nabokov's lol) made its way through japan in the 70s and ended up referenced by an alice in wonderland manga. this eventually lead to cute anime girls being called lolitas by the manga nerds of the day, then years later the term ended up adopted by the fashion because Reasons (the reason is probably magazines idk). ask her how many teenage girls in 70's japan realistically had access to and wanted to read Lolita lmao.

>>10503206
This is still not a great defense unfortunately, since Japan has the worst track record when it comes to embracing pedophilia

>>10503201
They work better for a half-updo in the back than trying to wear it like a headbow in the front.

>>10503212
Source?

>>10503286
Oh man, that would look really cute with my hair texture, but it's too short atm

>>10503289
I think it works well for short hair as well if styled correctly. If it still doesn't work just clip it to a bag.

>>10502304
I use a strapless minimizer I got from Amazon and it works like a charm. I don’t have a big bust at all (32B) but it still caused problems in cutsews and other items. It’s not uncomfortable and it looks great.

>>10503201
i wear large barettes clipped in the front of my hair! sometimes they work better diagonally or on the side with other headwear, but i've not had much trouble coordinating with them?

How long should I wait until the seller responds to my messages on lace market? It's been 2 days.

>>10503293
I guess it's just me who sucks at styling with them lmao. I'm trying not to use a wig or perm anymore so I'm not used to wearing my natural hair out.

>>10503291
NTA but can you link which one you got? Had too many shitty ones from amazon

>>10503328
>Not ordering from gc2b

Why live?

>>10503213
>Japan has the worst track record when it comes to embracing pedophilia
Which this is unrelated to, because it's women celebrating her as hero that escapes abuse.

>>10503287
http://www.fyeahlolita.com/2013/11/why-is-lolita-called-lolita-does-lolita.html

>>10503297
I usually give things a week. Sometimes people have a busy few days, but if someone can't get back to you within a week, they probably aren't gonna be great to communicate with.

LM is down again and the auction I want to bid on ends in an hour. Would it be rude of me to message the seller and offer 150% of what the current bid is at? I'm trying to buy it for my best friend for christmas or else I wouldn't be trying so hard

>>10503366
I dont see the harm in it. but what a shitty situation to be in

>>10503379
For me or the seller? Lol

Who created the "table leg" heel (or did it first in Lolita fashion)? Is there a proper name for it?

>>10503366
it's against LM rules to sell to anyone other than who won the auction.

>>10503451
As far as I remember, it was Fluevog with the Elizabeth in 2012. BTSSB often names shoes with that heel "Cabriole Leg", but I don't think there's a universal name for it.

>>10503455
Nayrt but the rules should be allowed to have exceptions if the bid function on the site is broken (although this is why I personally say just bid high early to be safe lol). A seller should be allowed to relist an item if the bidding was broken for more than an hour just before the auction ended. People didn't have a fair chance to bid.

>>10503212
You’re getting things a little mixed up. The book that popularized the concept of lolita was The Lolita Complex by Russell Trainer, not a novel but a pop (read: fake) psychology text that supposedly tried to explain why men are attracted to teenage girls. It caught on in Japan for some reason and that’s where they got the loan word “lolicon”; lolita as referring to an attractive young girl came from that. It’s just as much glorifying of pedophilia as the novel and nowhere near as well written.

>>10503500
THANK YOU! i feel like i am always the one who points this out. i feel like it's obvious that the term lolita was coined based on the term lolicon that already existed in japan at the time. it's just the kind of cringy shit japanese people think is dark and edgy.

>>10503462
Thanks!

What blouse is Lor wearing in this video? I know it's from angelic pretty but I can't seem to find it on lolibrary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZlx6A03Nks

>>10503637
That looks like a cutsew rather than a blouse, try searching for that instead

>>10503646
A lot of older cutsews and blouses aren’t on lolibrary. I have a similar one and it’s not listed.

>>10503637
She is so friggin hideous how do you people watch this woman

>>10503648
scrote

>>10503649
that's not an unpopular opinion, anon.
she's ugly and most of her clothes don't fit.

>>10503507
>i feel like it's obvious that the term lolita was coined based on the term lolicon that already existed in japan at the time
It's the other way around.

>>10503667
i mean for the fashion, moron.

>>10503668
I did too, lolicon wasn't around until much later, see >>10503359

>>10503668
I did too, "lolicon" it's current use refering to pedos wasn't exactly used until much later.

>>10503676
That article is actually pretty good and does note that it was the book that led to the fashion getting the name, although the fashion existed before the name. What are you trying to say?

>>10503668
I did too, "lolita complex" shortened to lolicon which refers to pedos didn't emerge until much later while "lolita complex" was often used to refer to a girl with youth complex for whatever reason as also explained in >>10503359

>>10503679
Thatthe fashion has nothing to do with lolicons as >>10503507 claimed.

>>10503680
lolicon has been around in japan since the 70s, way before lolita was coined for the fashion. that's where it's from.

>>10503359
Doesn't this scan literally have the girl calling the dude "lolita complex" in the last panel? And the note on the side defines "lolita complex" as a personality that only likes small children? That's pretty damning

>>10503683
Try to find any articles searching "lolicon" before the 90s, it's not that old compared to lolita in reference to as label for young girls.

>>10503683
It's not, it's from the book
https://gendai.ismedia.jp/articles/-/56412

>>10503686
Yeah, apparently that’s the first time the word appeared in a manga according to that article, which might not be perfect but seems pretty good. No one said it wasn’t damning.

any good petticoat suggestions for summer?

>>10503708
Dont wear one

>>10503507
I’ll never understand why Japan is the place that has the most obvious and widespread cultural obsession with sexualizing underage girls when they probably have the best looking middle aged women (and the goofiest-looking, most snaggle-toothed, flat-chested teen girls) in the world.

(And yes, other places sexualize teens but nowhere else can you buy fap material photosets of 12 year olds in school swimsuits at a real, legal bookstore, and most places thought to criminalize actual child pornography before the 90s.)

>>10503708
no specific recs, but I've heard hoopskirts are good

>>10503825
Same desu. Middle aged japanese women are so fucking elegant, and since skincare and sunscreen are so widely encouraged, they've mostly all aged quite well.

>>10503836
The obvious answer to why Japanese men are pedos in spite of middle aged Japanese women aging well and veing very attractive is that men are fucking trash. End of story.

Does it make sense to have an insurance when shipping with DHL? I’m doing a few packages and it turns out to be a lot more cost

Wigs are very common in lolita but I don't see them in aristo. I don't really like my hair, it's too curly and frizzy for my taste, would it be weird to wear a wig while wearing a toned down aristo coord??

>>10503648
the same way people watch your ugly face every day

>>10503825
Russians do it more, actively.

>>10503654
I scrolled down her insta and she was way thinner a few years ago, she looked way better than now.

>>10503921
I think Lor's long face looks better with some fat but her clothes fit worse. I don't think she cares but if she lost some weight maybe she should consider dermal fillers to plump up her face and help with the volume/shape of the lower half.

>>10503906
Yeah, but that makes more sense because they have modelesque teens and their women go babushka mode pretty early.

>>10503906
I think it's more that they encourage young girls to look grown-up very quickly. It's so common to tell your children to abandon childish clothes, toys etc. as soon as you might hit puberty. Middle ages russian women can look very good, because overall they try to not leave the house unkempt.

Where do people get the cute stamps/stickers/borders they put on their fairy kei and decora social media photos?

>>10503967
So true lol. Russian women look 40 past 25 and look 70 past 35

Does anyone have the name of that shop that makes those cute lengthening straps for JSKs?

>>10503999
it's the cigarettes and alcoholism

Does anyone have examples of bigger women in sack dresses ?
Yea im a fatty chan and im looking to see examples , im looking at a sack dress and wondering if it can be worked, or do i just accept ill look fat and ita and not care about it

>>10504052
If you're fat you'll look fat in anything, but you don't have to look ita, if you style yourself properly.

>>10504039
Guys, big part of Russia is Asia

>>10503900
It's because we don't see much aristo at all. Straight wigs are common, usually with one tail, also short ones; good colors are black, silver, platinum blonde.
Links for some pictures (sometimes with ouji wibes)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ea/29/72/ea2972cd1bdce04138e273789591a8e7.png
https://lolita-images.aliceholic.com/photos/28403/default/39072CAC2369CC9757E9FC9276739B4C.png?1559356833
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D6bdv2JFr-4/S7yhP7RCFXI/AAAAAAAAB5U/vXtwssElnS0/s1600/glb8_015.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/8d/26/1f8d2623f383aac1129db7d8ef72a946.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/44/75/1a44759cd2dd9230b6852447178b7128.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/97/c3/1297c397187ef9eb1e8c2cd014249d44.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/19/73/e2/1973e24132e5fb1a9f06bd9bcd72cbe8.jpg

>>10504057
the Asian portion of Russia is like the Alaska of the US. Hardly anybody lives there except oil rig workers and native people.

>>10504064
You obviously aren't Russian

>>10504070
sorry that you live in the Alaska of Russia

So with LM auctions, do they actually end at the 1 minute mark? Someone had outbid me, and I was going to up the bid during the final two minutes and it ended up selling to the other person when it auto-refreshed.

>>10504109
(After I submitted a new bid)

>>10504110
it autobids. is the ending bid higher than yours?

>>10504052
I think how good you'll look in them really depends on your body type/shape. Some people will see this post and say fattychans all look the same, but there's definitely some people who look better in certain cuts than others. IMO, they look better if you have a small chest and smaller upper body (like, small shoulders, upper arms aren't as fat, etc). That's not say you could never ever wear one, but if you care about wearing items that flatter you, it just might not be an item that will flatter you.

When I had sack dresses I preferred to wear them with a belt, because for my body type/shape, waist definition is a must. IMO waist definition is really helpful in lolita for fattychans in general, but I digress. I don't have broad shoulders, but I have fleshier upper arms and big tits. Waist definition helps balance that out, wearas the sack shape really emphasizes my width. Like I said, I have seen some bigger girls wear them, but they tend to have small shoulders, skinny arms, and a smaller chest (so usually carrying their weight in the lower part of their body).

Try looking into kibbe body types - fair warning, there can be a lot of confusing info online about them and some people get really autistic about it. But, learning about the general concept helped me understand what types of cuts will look better on my body. Kibbe types don't change regardless of weight gain, so as long as you aren't like, so obese you look like a weeble, then you may find the information helpful to you re: being able to pull off sack dresses.

That said, you do you. If you really want to wear a sack dress and you just don't care about what other people think you look like, then go for it.

>>10503825
Pedophiles don't care how adult women age. They're attracted to children.

>>10504130
Nope. The other person's bid didn't get any higher. I submitted a higher bid than the other person, but upon submitting my new bid, the page auto-refreshed and it showed I lost and time ran out even though I knew there was a minute left since I had been watching the page.

So my question really is, does LM stop counting bids during the last minute(s) so no one can just swoop in and snag items? Or was the system just being weird with me with this one instance?

I am 99% sure these are from taobao and think I've seen the shop before but that kokokuma shop is selling them and I was wondering if anyone knew the shop URL? Those BTSSB itabags are always for sale secondhand and this would be a cute way to find extra offbrand pieces to fill the windows up.

>>10504143
Oops dropped pic

>>10503990
Line Camera.

>>10504142
They don't stop bids, but it may have been that the page slowed at some point and had an issue and showed you there was a minute left when there wasn't. Any time I'm eyeing an auction, I refresh ~10 minutes or so before it ends to see how much time is really left, as I've noticed it can become unsynced if I leave it open for too long.

>>10504140
This. Although studies show a large number of people attracted to prepubescent children are also attracted to post puberty and adult women as well, the reality is if someone wants to nut to kids, a young looking adult isn't enough. Men (or pedos of any gender) often get creepy thrills from knowing they are x number of years older than a girl or child, or the taboo and inappropriate nature of their fetish turns them on more so the logical pursuit of a consenting adult who happens to have aged well isn't a viable option to these sickos.

>>10504157
Ah okay. Thank you for telling me. I'll know that for next time. I had refreshed during the last 5 minutes, and right before I submitted my final bid, so it's really odd if the timer was just so out of sync that it showed a whole minute left when I had just refreshed. I hope I have better luck next time then.

>>10504178
Snipe bids on LM are kinda pointless anyway because you can just put in a really high bid from the beginning

>>10504182
People are always trying to get the lowest price/maybe don't really want the item so they never do.

So two stupid questions:
This is embarrassing, but is handwashing really the only way to wash these clothes? It takes me forever to wash just my small wardrobe and I can't imagine doing this with a much larger one.

2nd question: What steamers do you all use for winkles? Are they even safe to use?

>>10504226
For cotton dresses, remove all detachable items, turn inside out, put in a garment bag, and wash on delicate. Lay flat to dry. You'll want to handwash anything with chiffon or glitter for sure. Some polyester dresses can handle the washing machine, but it's a risk for some of them.

I just have a cheap steamer I got from Walmart. It works fine.

Don't know if this is considered J-fashion...

How often does Bodyline do good sales? They had a nice one like a week back and now I think it's ended, just general/weak discounts up now.

Any suggestions for wolf cut/vkei mullet wigs? Or just any good prestyled wigs for ouji?

>>10504143
Those aren't just "offbrand" they're replicas

>>10503930
those can mess you up baaad

>>10504226
honestly I have a mom&pop Dry cleaners next to my house. It costs 5 Euros for drycleaning and ironing/pressing. Absolutely worth it.

>>10504316
Oh, they look so derpy I would hardly think anyone would mistake them for BABY lol. I'd never really seen little kumya heads like that before other than the kumya hairties. If they're copies of something I'd much rather know what real item they're based on, if anyone knows.

Anyone have experience dying blouses? I accidently bought two of the same one, and I want to try and dye an ivory blouse to soft pink. Any dyes that would look good? Money isn't a problem.
>How the fuck do you accidently buy the same blouse
Well, I ordered multiple things when I bought the blouse the first time, and was focused on the other items more than the blouse. I came across the same blouse months later, forgot I was already waiting on it and ended up buying it again lol.

>>10504509
depends on the fabric. you should post a picture of the blouse so we can see, and you honestly might have better luck asking in the cosplay help thread since dyeing is more of a cosplay thing. Word of warning, it won't work like you're expecting if the blouse itself and the lace are different materials since poly doesn't take dyes meant for natural fibers

>>10504609
It's this blouse but in an ivory color. Chiffon material.

What bodyline pieces could work well in dolly kei. I think works very well, but I also think L353, L119, l362, g1168-g1170 and L325. What do anons here would also be good?

Are AP's older KCs supposed to be a bit crooked? I have a few and the bow doesn't sit perfectly in the middle, is that intentional?

>>10502607
sperg but it's fucking lose not loose weight, i am tired of people mixing the two up so god damn much. learn to LOOSE your mix ups people.

how do you clean velveteen pieces? i just got an oldschool piece and im scared about ruining it