/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Half of these aren't even otome with being way too short, bad thread.

>>10498241
wtf yes they are, do you know what Otome is?

>>10498241
>>10498572
and thus the cgl otome sperg starts anew

>>10498241
this is pink house style anon. check out the natural kei thread for similar

>b-but terms
literally none of these terms, otome included, came out of japan. who cares

>>10498579
>"literally none of these terms, otome included, came out of japan. who cares"
>otome
>not japanese
Here some nice wiki entry on it with actual japanese sources that prove otherwise, it's just the west that's too retarded to grasp that it's not casual lolita
https://j-fashion.fandom.com/wiki/Otome_(Classic)

>>10498579
>this is pink house style anon. check out the natural kei thread for similar
anon, that pic is literally based on pic related, nobody calls that natural kei

>>10498572
Please explain how >>10498237 isn't Cult Party.

Can we just start titling these Western Otome instead of Otome so everyone is satisfied

>>10498588
i said its in the thread (its a grneral that included like 5 styles), not that is is. jesus learn to read

>>10498596
the natural thread is for actual natural-looking vintage styles, not frilly pink overload outfits which are typical for pink house

>>10498591
someone on /cgl/ is hellbent on not letting anyone have otome aka emikyu/leur getter/etc styling thread, even though everyone understands what everyone else means when you say "Otome" on this board that that's what it refers to.

>>10498598
problem is that a lot of the brands labeles as otome in the west don't even share styles in most cases, leur getter being the prime example of that as it's just lolita now

>>10498601
some leur getter stuff definitely fits (pic related)
when "otome" is said on this board we can all collectively agree that it more or less means "casual lolita-esque with more experimentation with colors and patterns"

So what is the anatomy of an otome look? What are the rules?

>>10498618
I think its kind of casual lolita look

>>10498855
Casual Lolita is casual lolita. Otome is otome, there’s a big difference between the styles but now you have so many subcategories of fashion it’s impossible to keep it up.

Otome now is just dead. Let it go

>>10498590
I always thought cult party was sheer layers and mostly white.

>>10499713
how can you say otome is dead when otome brands are still regularly releasing stuff

>>10498618
>>10498855
casual lolita and otome share some similarities, but with otome there's more experimentation
http://dippedinchocoarchive.blogspot.com/2013/04/a-lolita-sister-guide-to-otome-kei.html
https://www.misskwonderland.com/what-is-otome-kei/

>>10499713
otome is a shit western misinterpretation

>>10499717
You sound new.

>>10499717
No, it just describes any vintage outfit from The Virgin Mary (hence it literally being their old name), the snap was literally stated as Cult Party on its origin post to begin with.

>>10499786
what is the virgin mary?

>>10499878
...the shop that used to be named Cult Party, you know, the originator of that style.

>>10499878
The japanese store/brand that was named Cult Party originally.

>>10499737
Sorry I should clarify, dead in the west. I remember the big “boom” in otome interest 7 years ago. Back when certain ETC prints were 300$

>>10499912
So cult party is specific to the brand not an aesthetic? honestly asking

>>10500227
I'm really glad the west stopped caring, now I can go get all the ETC stuff I wanted back then for a fraction of the price

>>10500399
Yes.

>>10500474
It's not that people stopped caring about the brands, it's just that the misinformation regarding what is otome kept getting worse in a way that the tag is almost only casual lolita without a petti with everything lacking the mismatched retro feeling and layering.

the entire way that the western lolita community views jfashion was wrong. japanese jfashion wearers are more about brand loyalty, not being a part of a subculture. despite what cgl insists, i doubt your average wearer of emikyu, MILK, or JM would bunch themselves with Angelic Pretty, BTSSB or IW wearers. Those brands also weren't often featured in the GLB or KERA. didn't the creator of Jane Marple even say they weren't lolita?

the name may not be considered otome, but i don't think it's fair to say "it's just casual lolita". i don't even think japanese lolitas use that term.

>>10500498
nobody would consider this lolita, if it was youd be posted to an ita community.

Anyone know of people who wear otome from like the 90s? I love etc/milk/jm in this era and want to follow some nice inspiration.

>>10500498
>the name may not be considered otome, but i don't think it's fair to say "it's just casual lolita". i don't even think japanese lolitas use that term.
They do, it's カジュロリand usually lolita without petti.

>>10500499
>ita community
There are plenty of lolitas on Instagram who wear these kinds of outfits and post them on casual days.

>>10500522
Agreed, here some jp lolita website article on what they consider casual lolita:
https://classical-alice.com/2017/08/15/%E3%82%AB%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%82%AF%E3%83%A9%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E9%A2%A8%E3%81%AE%E3%81%8A%E6%B4%8B%E6%9C%8D/

>>10500524
they consider liz lisa and amavel to be casual lolita? seems like what japanese people consider casurori is lolita inspired casual clothes. not lolita clothes worn casually. and none of those are what are considered "otome" brands either so that kinda kills the theory that Milk/Emikyu/JM are considered casurori

>>10500526
>and none of those are what are considered "otome" brands either so that kinda kills the theory that Milk/Emikyu/JM are considered casurori
Jane Marple and other "otome" brands are literally listed in the last section of the article.

>>10500524
Just because some one Japanese website claims it’s casual Lolita doesn’t mean it is. You could argue a lot of the brands in there come from so many of the sub genres of styles that exist.

>>10500636
You can literally search カジュロリ on Google and all results are like that, it's not just "one" site.

>>10500505
>>10500526

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqjlxbw1sqw the auto-translate closed captions is a bit wonky, but this video discusses it.

do you guys know that casual style in japan doesn't just mean informal clothing? it's an entirely separate thing.

Every possible variation on dressing yourself has to have its own separate name and strict set of rules like we're biologists classifying species, doesn't it? The concept of a general aesthetic that people can enjoy without fighting about it is just completely alien.

Are there any western shops that sell a similar aesthetic?

>>10509269
Which of the two? The casual lolita-like one is also done Peppermint Fox and Mulberry Chronicles, the color mismatched layered one, not so much.

>>10498233
What brand is this?

>>10509269
Miss Patina can ride that line sometimes.
They are based in England.

Otome has grown on me so much recently

>>10509550
Literally in the file name: ETC.

>>10509636
calm yo tits

Wonder when the otome interest will come back

>>10511378
I think it's coming back. I've been meaning towards it and a lot of my comm friends are the same. Maybe it's because we're getting older and want nicer casual, calmed down looks though