/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10485421
If only it had been cotton.

>>10485430
Woof says the dog
Meow says the cat
Moo says the cow
No cotton for brandwhores says AP

>>10485444
Unbelievably unfunny

>>10485460
Unbelievably unfunny says the seagull

>Both of my top wanted dresses come up for sale
>Both are being scalped af by the same person


Ugh, both dresses go for $100-$120 and this person is selling them for $200+

>>10485468
Cry harder poorfag

>>10485470
Scalpers suck though, this is like the only thing that /cgl/ agrees on

>>10485471
That's not what scalping is newfag

Wow, this thread is off to a great start so far.

>>10485462
this made me chuckle

>>10485468
learn to integrate or fuck off

>>10485468
How is it scalping if it’s below retail?

>>10485430
if only it was wool. if only new releases were ever anything but the cheapest blends of the cheapest fabrics

>>10485468

If you mean sugar bouquet and strawberry letters, I was curious about the price being a little high and looked for what she paid for them; that chick is selling them for $25 less each than she bought them for (she got them in a lot of just those two sets for $500 total).

So not scalping and a discount compared to what they paid.

>>10485508
Yeah. I love tartan and I know that part IS cotton, but it’s paired with cheap polyester which ruins the whole thing. A wool set would have been lovely, especially with winter around the corner.

>>10485421
I'm genuinely surprised the main pieces for this had sold out. I though maybe one or two colorways, but not all of them.

>>10485462
I appreciated it anon

>>10485517
I looked up what youre talking about and seller overpaid like a fag lmao. Still not scalping, but once again sweet lolitas are a fucking plague.

>>10485521
anon, the tartan print is clearly poly.

>>10485421
This kind of fashion is okay for people who are 16-21 but after that you are too old to be dressing up like a schoolgirl desu

>>10485556

Oh yeah that seller definitely over paid and that's a little dumb of them, especially since most secondhand BABY doesn't go for a ton but they're not scalping. Just charging a little more than market rates which will probably end up lowered if they don't sell anyway assuming the person never wore the dresses and needs the money/really wants to sell.

>>10485556
Maybe it was a DD that didn't work out in person? I would pay above value for a personal DD.

>>10485576
Isn't it just smart casual style?

>>10485576
Do you even know where we are?

>>10485573
Nayrt, but it's a poly cotton blend.

>>10485622
then that's not cotton

Anyone else have a distaste for cat prints and themes? I don't care about a few cats being thrown into a print or one cat print dress, but collecting cat prints specifically and having a whole coord with cat accessories is so tacky to me. It just reminds me of middle school weeaboos or quirky millenials those ugly ass cat galaxy print leggings.

>>10485661
No

>>10485661
No? Do you think this way about berry/food theme coords? Or floral? I mean, it's fine if the coord matches by color, but if your main piece has a theme it's fine to match it?


That's like saying you hate Kumya theme coords because of Kumya

>>10485661
Just say you hate cats and move on

>>10485661
Border prints are tacky in general, anon. Might as well lean into it

>>10485661
I‘m a very cat-crazy person, yet I‘ve sold most of my cat prints. People @ me when AP does a new cat print, but I‘m not excited. Tbh, many cats on cat prints are ugly (like Dolly Cat, Dream Cat Go Round or Fleur Cat) and other times I can’t forgive the dress quality like with Romantic Cat, which had best cats imo or Princess Cat, which bled like hell (literally in a little rain wtf).
Sometimes the cats are just too lazy, like the black Little Witch accessories.
I really liked CTP‘s sassy persians and recent Milky Cat a lot though!
It’s really sad, I‘m such a cat lover, but lolita brands just cheap out on them.

>>10485695
I like cats, I just don't like them on clothes. Looks like most of you disagree though

https://www.bibelotrose.com/announcements/the-bibelot-rose-club

Id love to see what others think of this. This is the same girl who has barely been in the fashion 2 years and honestly should work on her own coording before giving advice or education to other newbs

>>10485705
The web design makes my eyes hurt but I'm open to the idea. It certainly looks better than the last time a lolita subscription box was launched a few years ago in that there's at least actual brand in this one, but I'll believe it when I see it.

>>10485556
Stay salty poorfag

>>10485661
I like cats but I don’t like fancy white cat prints. I like black cats but they always make them spooky.

>>10485705
I've never done a subscription box because I'm not going to pay for stuff I don't want or need. If the subscription box was made by say, Wunderwelt or Closetchild and you had the option to fine tune the style, colors, details etc., then I might be interested. But I don't trust this nobody with a puke green background

>>10485699
I adore cats too, and the one(1) cat-related item in my wardrobe is pic related. I just can't get into sweeter cat prints.

These are interesting but damn @ those prices

>>10485705
I like subscription boxes but I would never get one for lolita unless it was like, an actual box by AP which obviously won’t happen. I’d rather just buy what I want.

>>10485750
The prices are high but it looks like a lot goes into the work. I looked at the FAQ and it’s all done by one artist. So you have to consider the the cost of materials plus the hours of labor and skill level of artist. The only problem I see with the high prices is that they might not sell.

>>10485750
everything having DP on it is making me think double penetration

>>10485756
fuck no. these are all laser cut acrylic shit that's easy as fuck to make. the only "work" they do is gluing the layers together, if that. plus, it's just another company like AH that is copying AP's style.

>>10485705
>https://www.bibelotrose.com/announcements/the-bibelot-rose-club
The button is basically just a knockoff of the ones someone was selling on etsy.

>>10485705
Her coords are ugly as fuck and I hope no one actually gets this subscription when you can just buy your own coord without paying for an ira middle man.

>>10485661
I'm neutral on cat prints but I definitely feel this way about bat prints. I love bats irl, but on clothing I find them tacky. It doesn't matter if they're the cute Halloween silhouette type or realistic illustrations, either way if something has bats on it my feelings automatically become more negative.

idk why exactly, I think it's just to do with the type of people/styles I associate them with? Like the type of goth girl who tries to be really twee and cutesy by slapping bats and coffins on everything? And I also associate the bat silhouette kind with cheap tacky Halloween decor, too.

>>10485705
The $90 tier that offers a brand item every month would only be fun for people who rarely buy brand who also can’t afford to spend $90 per month.

>>10485781

Easy technically to manufacture but access to laser cutters is limited and you usually have to pay for time or have access in some other way so incorporating that into the price is fair since even if they own one they have to maintain it and spend time making it; plus the creativity/design is still involved. These are kind of the sort of stuff the market needs desu compared to regretsy tier polymer that looks unpolished (I know some indie shops make good/cute stuff but the majority use the same cheap molds or ideas).

AP didn't invent simple shapes and plastic jewelry. Of course lolita aesthetic pieces will borrow or have some crossover. It's not like they're making AP knockoffs. Also AH never really looked as much like AP to me so idk why people always claim that.

>>10485705
I've done enough lucky packs and sub boxes to know better than to sign up for something like this, but maybe this'll surprise all of us.

>>10485834
not at all. you sound like the creator. your stuff looks like shit.

>>10485750
god its pathetic how bad they're trying to be AP

>>10485838

Nah definitely not them. I hate creepycute/spooky shit and none of these are my style, but I have always wondered how long it would take for laser cut jewelry or other digital fabrication methods catch on in lolita considering they can produce some nicer more polished stuff and you don't have to fuck around with resin.

>>10485841
The logo presence and placement is definitely a bit tryhard but emulating what people already like or is in demand is a smart branding move if it wasn't so copycat on that aspect.

>>10485750
Do you know where their site is? Tried reverse image search and it didn't come up

>>10485838

Laser cutters are expensive as shit to buy for yourself, and unless you're an engineering or lucky art student, you usually have to pay for time or regular access to makerspaces, idk what world you live in senpai

>>10485845
Brand name's in the pic anon, Dandy Puppetrois

>>10485847
Oh shit I spelled it wrong; I was searching "dandy puppeteers" because I'm an illiterate idiot

>>10485750
They could end up making cool stuff; the designs are cute though the attempt at AP style is obvious. I don't think I'd like these but maybe for holidays or Valentine's they'll have some things that are cuter/mesh with pastel sweet.

>>10485705
This looks like a scam

>>10485705
remember a few years ago when someone tried to run one of these and it was just shitty taobao stuff. God i wish i remembered the name . Anyways feels like history repeating itself

>>10485841
automatic honey and other brands have done AP rips so its really not new.

>>10485750
The designs are pretty good. A step above the usual regretsy garbage. But the prices are going to cause issues for them.

I could buy ten generic bat rings off Etsy, Killstar, or fucking any other website, for the price they want to charge for one ring. Yeah, the "DP" brand ring looks nice in the stock image. It's definitely more detailed than most etsy-tier stuff, but is it worth 7x as much? I can buy an actual AP necklace for that much.

Indie brands have to offer something to justify their higher prices. That's why Lady Sloth has custom sizing, and Violet Fane has prints that might appeal to a more western audience. BB&B has a specific style of sweet jewelry that no one else really offers (sort of normie-sweet). What's this brand offering to set them apart?

>>10485781

To be fair, Automatic Honey really only made AP style stuff during their early years. Once they began making hard enamel jewelry their designs really started to shine.

>>10485549
Not too surprising actually. Nanchatte fashion has overtaken lolita in China this year so this was probably scooped up by them.

>>10485873
Even new AP doesn’t cost that much. This is 3x the price

Anyone interested in taking over a spot for Little Witch op and otks in lav?
Don't need the reservation with a ss anymore.

secrets

>>10485897
i wish AH still did stuff like this personally

>>10485699
Oh man which colorway of Princess Cat? Is it a specific color that bleeds or all of the dresses in general?

>>10486054

Tbh I like this a lot and prefer this style in general whether it's inspired by or taking from AP or not.

Any owner pics of Little Witch floating around yet? I looked a lot but only found one.

>>10485549
>>10485900

AP tends to make less stock of things they think will sell but won't be popular (ie- niches), so more likely they had less stock of this than their regular releases.

Actually if you like certain things like this that seems unpopular and apparently no one else likes, the bloodbath is bloodier than you think. There's just less stock to begin with and good luck ever finding it on the secondhand market. The scalpers might not want to touch it since they can't be sure girls will overpay for the non-hype, but what it really means is that if you missed it then you'll never find it again either, some other girls are gonna be hoarding it in their wardrobe.

Are the Lacemarket mods responsive or still generally unhelpful? I haven't needed to message them in a while.

>>10486265
You probably should wait until closer to Halloween.

>>10485841
I love the AP plastic jewelry aesthetic. Neither automatic honey or that new brand Up there are making replicas, so I’m all for brands getting some inspiration from what AP has done just so we have more of that cute stuff out there.

>>10486337
lets be fair they are more interesting than that ugly cat outline

>>10486265
It just came out. Give it another week or so

>>10486055
Wine, in my experience. I‘d expect navy and green to bleed as well.

>>10486054
I'd pay 120 for this desu but not >>10485750

>>10485870
Gensobox, you can see the shitstorm in fhe archives

>>10485705
This has got me thinking: I don't think a clothing-based lolita subscription box could ever really work because the costs are too high for quality shit and people just prefer to buy their own things anyway, but would people like a lolita lifestyle-related subscription box? It could have teas, maybe indie brand pins and brooches, interesting sweets, wall art, etc. This is totally hypothetical because frankly I have no intention of ever making something like that, but it's something I'd consider subscribing to for sure.

>>10486055
>>10486344

Might be dye runoff; after the first wash removes the excess dye it should no longer bleed.

Anyway I had the navy firsthand and it never bled, but then I always washed it in the washing machine so I never did observe the colour of the water. Plus I think navy only came in the special set, not regular release.

>>10486370

I actually think our numbers are just too small, not that the fashion is high cost. Usually the type of blind box where you pay $50 and get $100 worth of stuff there's either a bulk discount for sheer numbers (like, eg, buying 500 eyebrow pencils at 30% of the rrp), it might be dead stock the manufacturer/brand already wants to give away, or it's a marketing thing where the manufacturer/brand wants to give testers to potential customers to try out their products.

International lolitas lag behind the chinese and Japanese lolita market so much that I just don't think we have the numbers to get a good bulk discount, and we're not really major enough that anyone wants to send testers our way when they could easily send it to a more mainstream girly blind box and still get more customers instead of targeting lolitas.

The other half of the equation is that most girls seem to always be saving up to buy moar brand anyway, half the issue with gensobox is that folks very quickly discovered which items were bought off taobao for what price, and then worked out the profit margin on the box. We're already a group that keeps pointing out those buying from taobao resellers are just wasting money, if you start a box and there's an obvious profit margin, there's definitely going to be some flak.

Only way I can see it working out is if you start having box exclusives, like getting a different artist to print something only for the box, every issue of the box. Even then you're likely to get some rather highly wound up types that will hound you over what the exclusive for this week is, and they're likely to be very vocal if they perceive the value to be below what they paid.

>>10485937
Ask in the AP general

>>10485897
I miss Automatic Honey. They haven't done a release in over a year. I wonder if they're done making jewelry.

I sold most of my brand jewelry and replaced it with AH enamel stuff.

>>10486344
Not necessarily. Red colorways from both AP and Baby are notorious for bleeding.

>>10485705
subscription boxes suck and have been on the way out, but this is just stupid. lolita is such a personal thing, and even disregarding that, brands provide this in the form of lucky bags or sets anyways so it's extra unnecessary.

>>10486409
Agreed. I have the green and I don't have this issue. It's always been a problem with cotton + red. But even so, I've washed a cotton AP dress that was "ruined" by dye bleeding by the previous owner and it came right out.

>>10486477

I've had the same with a BTSSB dress that was supposedly stained beyond repair. People just seem like they aren't trying to wash their clothes.

>>10486477
>>10486483
Agree this is sometimes the case, though worth noting I tried to do the same thing for a red dress with dye bleeding and another with black dye bleed and that wouldn't come out no matter what I washed it with. To whoever wants to try this, your mileage may vary

>>10486509
Yeah, I think I lucked out that the previous owner didn't stick it in the dryer, though I'm sure it depends on what type of dyes were used.

>>10486370
I think the lifestyle idea might work as a high level patreon-tier for something like pepfox, but >>10486375 makes an extremely solid point about the numbers and customers involved. For anything that's remotely custom or handcrafted or limited the creator would be looking at minimal profit margins and should have limits on how many could be sold/distributed. And even that could be difficult given how varied tastes run in the international community.

Bosch is out.

Why most lolitas don't know brands besides AP?

>>10486404

Same. I love their stuff and want more. In past years they announce their Halloween line by the 13th of October, so if we don't hear something this week, I fear they might be on hiatus.

>>10485705
she should honestly learn to dress herself before thinking she’s in the place to do this. everything about it screams cash grab and it’s really sad

>>10486564
Who let the Bosch out?

>>10486637
Some are ignorant, some literally only cares for attention and goes by the amount of likes (sitting next to someone like this on meets is insufferable), and some only remembers the name thrown around the most.

>>10486564
I'm so excited to get mine finally

>>10486637
Probably because information is more fragmented now. When things were mainly on egl on LJ it acted as a centralized hub where someone new would inevitably run up against people asking about different brands + all the resources were in one place.

Now if you think about how people stumble across lolita it ranges from reddit to abandoned tumblrs to aminos to youtube to facebook to shitty tagging on IG. And AP happens to get the most coverage across all of those platforms.

>>10485705
This girl looks the way I think I do when I’m having body dysmorphia.

>>10486637
is this really prevalent? even when i was a relative newbie and AP was my favorite brand i was still familiar with most other big brands even if i didn't really care for them at the time, and that wasn't even that long ago.

>>10486814
>the random hair in front of her face
>bad cakey
>weird lip thing going on
I hate this

Has anyone sold their eggs to buy brand? I’m about to do it (just got my contract to sign) and it just struck me that this is exactly the kind of moneygrubbing thing a desperate lolita (like me) would do.

>>10486848
(It is mostly going to pay off my student loan, but I’m looking forward to a dress or two.)

Man I hate the oblivious part of the online lolita community. Not sure if anyone else is following the YouTube/documentary situation, but people crying about panic attacks because a larger youtuber shared their public "without permission" is so pathetic

>>10486861
Is this the British lolita documentary that Lor reacted to or what?

Man I hate the oblivious part of the online lolita community. Not sure if anyone else is following the YouTube/documentary situation, but people crying about panic attacks because a larger youtuber shared their public video "without permission" is so pathetic

>>10486863
Yes. That's the one.

Sorry for deleting my post. It had a small typo. >>10486864

>>10486863
>>10486864
What's the documentary called and who was complaining?

>>10486864
True but the way Lor and Holly handled it was pretty bad

>>10486864
>>10486867
>>10486873
Does anyone have caps of the drama (post on the farm if you're worried about a ban here) or could they let me know where to find it? I didn't watch Lor's video but it was suggested to me and I've just now seen that it's been deleted, so I'm pretty curious.

>>10486872
The original and the react video have been taken down. Originally only the react video was taken down. So I don't think you can watch either anymore.

>>10486880
The drama I'm reading is from the announcement made that the react video was taken down. (On YouTube, under the "community" tab on her account page)

>>10486848
I was about to be like dude what the fuck but then I looked into how much you make from egg donations and honestly your mind is huge

>>10486848
How much are you going to be getting for it?

>>10486881
Ah, thank you! Honestly, this is pretty weird to me. I'm not even a fan of Lor's at all, but I don't think you can complain about someone reacting to a literal documentary without asking permission. It's public content in every sense of the word, it's meant to be seen. Why even be in one if you don't want opinions?

>>10486848
I've looked into it before, but it turns out its illegal to get paid for donating eggs in my country so I never bothered. Right now I'm making brand money from clinical trials, which is probably just as desperate kek

>>10486850
Don't do this. You'll probably regret it later.

Also if you live in the US and Biden is elected, he wants to forgive at least $10k in student loans. You should wait.

>>10486848
Don't do that. It's unethical.

>>10486888
Nayrt but how is it unethical?

>>10486886
That just sounds like more dress money

>>10486886
She's going to be waiting awhile lol
>>10486848
Oh god, I completely forgot that I thought about doing this at one point.
I guess I'm glad I didn't, but I dunno if I would feel that bad if I had. It's better than doing onlyfans I guess.

>>10486699
kek

>>10486848
Yes. I don’t need them

>>10486564
beautiful!!

>>10486699
kek

>>10486872
>>10486880
>>10486881
https://youtu.be/S_DYt_Wp7LY

If anyone still wants it before it really gets taken down.

>>10486923
The fact that the 3rd interviewee is a brolita makes me want to scream. All these documentaries state "It is a perfectly normal fashion!" but then show people who are clearly mentally ill or dudes in dresses.

>>10486923
What a stupid title. Don't even engage with the "fetish" angle, it's a minority of normies who think that anyway and bringing it up at all just makes it look suspect for no reason.

>>10486934
Is it the brolita people are freaking out over? It's not like Lor could know that he became trans in the context of that video.

SJWs are seriously annoying.

>>10486884
Its the UK comm, they love drama

The gist is they got angry that Lor reacted without asking them (unrealistic expectations) and desu the student who made the film never left any way to really reach them and they have a generic name so it isnt like Lor could ask her. Lots of oh I have bad anxiety and this gave me an attack comments on fb. Also they claimed she was being classist for her comment about the accent but really as an American who lives in Canada she has no idea of Uk class, its all just "british" so not something she was implying.

>>10486934
He is now a she, which is part of the drama. People got upset that she was "deadnamed" despite the fact that at the time they were a cis male and the student who made the film never again changed that section or updated it to reflect this change. Lor somehow is in the wrong for not knowing this. The trans woman never asked Lor to take that out but the UK comm acted like it was the end of the world because she didnt. Note that they do have the ability to contact the student but no one is blaming her for leaving it in now.


>>10486939
Holly made a tweet about the accent and then the UK comm thought she must have read their fb comments and was getting ppl to spy on them, which is pretty insane to think that over the more likely scenario than she read the youtube comment about it. This led to them thinking they dont care, she is ignoring criticism, etc when in reality she never was aware of these issues until the replies to the tweet. After the twitter stuff (the first time she was made aware but after a day of UK ppl bitching about it on fb privately) she deleted the video to be polite....and they still hate her. For uh not reading their minds.

>>10486934
I still can't believe people on this board get their panties in a twist over trans people or men wearing dresses as if most of us aren't literally faggots

>>10486951

>>10486923
>what is a lolita?
fuckin obvious bait. She could have just said "what is lolita fashion?" also notice how she didn't interview any young people who are more likely to be familiar with alt fashion

>>10486923
Can anyone ID the sheer lace top the girl on the right is wearing at 5:00?

>>10486864
This situation makes the UK comm look even worse. Lor shouldn't have deleted the video.

>>10486940
>the student who made the film never again changed that section or updated it to reflect this change
This is exactly why I thought the outrage was ridiculous. If people want to get offended by this person getting deadnamed, the fault lies entirely on the original poster.

>>10486883
$8000 for the first donation, more every time after that. Of course some will get taken for taxes.

The process is actually really selective, but I’m lucky that I don’t have any cancer or other genetic issues in my bloodline and I’ve never tried cigarettes or other drugs (though I guess you could lie about that). The database I’m on also takes your test scores and gpa and stuff like that. After that they’re pretty much choosing you based on your face and body. It honestly felt really weird to be scrutinized that way, literally like a horse or maybe a fancy prostitute, but there are plenty of pretty and healthy looking lolitas out there who would qualify. If it’s really awful I’ll check back in for all those considering lol

>>10486923
>heart-shaped sunglasses

God, no!

>>10486988
More donations means higher risk of health complications from the amount of hormones used, so be careful.

>>10486880
i’m an idiot, what’s the farm. kiwi?

>>10486940
The brolita commented on Lor's video and seemed fine with being in the video based on their reply? They said something along the lines of "oh yeah I remember this documentary, this was before I transitioned!" Literally why is anyone upset over this reaction video? The original doc should be taken down if that's the case.

>>10486951
shiggy diggy doo

>>10487011
lolcow farm
there is a lolita thread in /w/

Meta keeps making fatty-chan dresses and I'm LOVING THAT but, it's always the dresses that I fucking hate

>>10487190
It would be nice if they tried it on a different piece. Really test the market.

>>10487240
I would kill if they did a FC release of Strawberry Cream

>>10487190
Seriously. It's so hard to wear the wa lolita designs in the west without some sjw reeing over "cultural appropriation". Just give us something cute, with teddy bears or chocolate.

So when's AP USA dropping toy doll box?

>>10487311
fucking this. I got the yukata from Jet+J and I'm poc but not Asian and I'm worried I'm gonna get dragged.

>>10485705
while I feel bad she had a rough life and living situation prior to getting more into lolita, and I respect her a bit more for it, I think she's just moving way too fast into this and would succeed more if she had more years in the fashion, dressed better, and had more followers on instagram. we all know babydollOS didn't even fly, and that was with a popular person suggesting it.

>>10486848
my sister did this (not for brand lol) and it absolutely wrecked her at the time. she told me the injections hurt, she was bloaty, and her emotions were like... a megaperiod.

so no, i wouldn't do it. plus, the idea of a little me + some stranger's baby juice running around totally squicks me out

>>10487320
Anon... are you lost?
Toy Doll Box isn't dropping anywhere. People were just getting the MTO in September they ordered a year ago.
Toy Fantasy was also a store limited MTO in January that is being delivered now.
AP is getting none of these.
What toy print are you talking about? Girly Sticker?

>>10487329
Whoops I meant *AP USA is getting none of these

>>10487327
This, plus with DNA testing being so common the little shit will eventually find you.

I'm having a crisis over if I should get the usakumya slippers or not
I really wanted them, but $70 for slippers is giving me serious second thoughts. I only wear slippers in the "dirty" parts of the house and I'm not sure I would wear them there.
On the other hand they are adorable. What do?

>>10487332

Bonus if they start harassing you for money and try to take advantage of you too. It's a messy situation and far too many people are brought up crappily your blood or not

>>10487333
If you work from home, and foresee being in quarantine a while longer i would say just go for them. I'm here in the US where there is seemingly no end to the rona and I miss meets. It feels really weird to dress up too much in lolita for being at home. Wear some casual kawaii outfits at home and enjoy the slippers.

Also you can bring them with you to the hotel when we can finally go to events.

>>10487333
I would wear them in carpeted areas of my home and probably not the kitchen, bathroom would be fine too. If you think you’ll wear them a lot at home go for it, especially if the quality is good. I would check mercari because JP secondhand market prices baby relatively cheap.

>>10487333
All shoes eventually get dirty. It's the nature of shoes. Are you just never going to wear shoes?

If they get dirty, then wash them. Clean up the "dirty" parts of your house. Get the slippers.

>>10487329
well I guess I mean the MTO ap usa had for toy doll box, when are they shipping that out?

>>10487387
oh that, I have no idea. I got my Toy Doll Box MTO the first week of August, but that was from Japan.

>>10487240
I mean, they did with magical artefact. they'd only done wa pieces in plus size before that.

When did lolita fashion start attracting so many whiny people, with mental illness, trannies and sjws?

I have been in the fashion since the mid-late 00's but didn't really follow online as much. Although I feel like online resources were much more informative and less whiny, less willing to deal with people's crap. Everyone just tried to search online as much as possible for more info about japanese fashion, more snippets of real Harajuku things, just craving more and more knowledge. Now everyone just wants to be immediately spoonfed their first coord for cheap.

Yamato/UPS seems to be taking longer now then it has during the rest of corona. My orders would get to me in the US in 4 days. Now it's 5 or 6. They were so consistent before. Anyone else experiencing this?

>>10487454
I usually get packages in 4 days. One package arrived in 6 days but that was last month.

>>10487429
But they had already rereleased magical artefact when they put out that blue.

>>10487454
Me too

>>10487323
There's a huge group of non-Asian people wearing kimono. You'll likely encounter one person eventually who doesn't like it but don't let that hold you back. I wear kimono (including that JetJ yukata) and have only received positive feedback. There are actually some good poc owned kimono online shops.

>>10487441
if you're gonna larp at least put in more effort

>>10487454
Yeah, I noticed my last yamato took a day or two extra. I expect that mail on all fronts is only going to get worse given that we're looking at 11/11 and Christmas soon enough. Really considering getting all my taobao packages in transit before 11/11 hits at this rate.

>>10486848
You'll wreck your body, skin, and hair with all the shit they have to pump you with anon. They also are super strict with the selections, the agency I almost went through required college education, no mental or physical health issues, and couldn't be a fuggo. I had my portfolio in their database before I decided going through it all wasn't worth it.

>>10486864
fucking ridiculous, the video was tame as hell. they need to pull their bloomers out of their ass and once again lor is a fucking pushover. she brings out the childhood bully in me how fucking spineless she is

>>10487441
its alt fashion, which is always filled with whiners and entitled babies. add to it the japan factor and you get weebs flocking to it. it's pretty fucking obvious why, have you done your research or opened your eyes?

>>10487566
I’ve already been selected by a couple. What makes the hormones so bad for your hair and skin? They’re the same hormones you get when you’re on fertility treatment.

>>10487441
Troons and SJWs have only started becoming more prevalent in the last decade or so but lolita has always been worn by mentally ill weirdoes and attention whores.

>>10487441
It's the same problem that's affecting the entire internet: too many normies.
About a decade ago is when smart phones became widely available along with Facebook gaining popularity along the masses. This encouraged people who didn't do much online beforehand if they used at all to start joining communities and interacting with people. Twitter and YouTube, along with all the other low effort social media encouraged the process.
The internet used to be more like blogs, long form websites, even livejournal required a modicum of effort to interact with people.. no more plus everyone has the internet in their hands all the time.
Oh, also a decade ago is about when the Occupy protests which kicked off the SJW movement as a way to keep people infighting.

>>10487566
The hell kind of agencies you signed up with? Worse thing that happens is you get major cramps.

>>10486864
It's pathetic that she went as far as posting a second apology, and everyone in the comments are just praising the troon ita.

Didn't this person actually refer to themselves as a brolita in the doc and/or talked about men in the fashion or was that someone else?

>>10487543
Would shipping delays really start this early? It's been 3 days since my package was shipped from Tokyo and there's just been no good updates. Usually it goes to Narita, then Alaska, and on to mainland USA by now. But nope... still in Tokyo. It makes me worry, even though it's probably okay? I don't know. I'm kind of irritated. It just sucks whenever the weekend comes around because there's no weekend delivery and it's waiting two extra days for nothing.

>>10487614
What are you talking about? I’m in the US too and I regularly get UPS deliveries on Saturdays

>>10487623
Really? Maybe there's hope for me. I only ship with UPS because of Yamato, so I'm not as familiar with their weekend delivery policies. I thought only certain shipping speeds deliver on Saturday. I swear I remember one of my Yamato packages sitting over the weekend and getting delivered on Monday.

>>10487608
I'm gonna sound pretty heartless, but in general (no malice towards this particular person) I'm kind of over the "omg qweeeennn" level of acceptance that trans women are given in lolita. If a biological women looked as bad, they would get ripped apart.
I wish biological women could own just one space without men getting involved. Just one.

>>10487323
>>10487515

Isn't there a kimono de jack still running around, or has that been disbanded already? I think as long as there's that kind of non-Japanese group running around trying to promote kimonos (rather than "lookie my Halloween costume") things will go down just fine.

Replying because the item in question is a yukata. Walolita is a whole different animal and just too many things to explain.

>>10487477

I mean, folks remember when Baby tried to do multiple sizes for their dresses and it flopped pretty badly. They somehow had either the really bad taste or bad luck to choose the ugliest pieces to do it with, so everyone who could more or less squeeze into M size went for that and then the L sizes went on sale for next to nothing. The sizing was no joke either, someone in my comm got the L size and the jsk actually came down below her knees, it was definitely made for a much bigger person than the M size.

If Meta doesn't want their plus size dresses to flop it makes sense they only choose to re-release the dresses that are already proven popular and already sell out pretty fast for their plus size option. But hey, that means all of their fattychan dresses are pretty much well-liked by everyone else, even if one or two fattychans out there happen to dislike them.

>>10487645
I have an XL Baby dress and its measurements are weird. The bust and length are around 105 cm for both.

Baby and AP tinkered with bigger sizes around 10 years ago when there wasn't as big of an international interest. If they were to sell larger sizes again, chubby chans would be desperate enough to buy them.

>>10486848
the hormones they give you for that dramatically increase your risk of developing female-specific cancers, so no. i would never do that.

>>10487648
Nah fatty chans cry about this all the time but never support the brand when they actually do it. They're too used to buying shitty taobao.

Does anyone else ever think about how much money you’d get if you sold off your entire wardrobe? I have no plans to do so but sometimes I just think that I could make bank if I were to leave the fashion. I love it too much though.

>>10487663
My current wardrobe is weak maybe I would make just under 2k. But I often have fantasies of "playing" the frock market

>>10487668
My wardrobe is huge but with Baby and IW being worse to sell than AP I'm not sure it would be worth much. 2.5 grand minimum but probably worth 3x that

>>10487663
around 20k probably

>>10487644
>kimono de jack
They're still around but if I'm honest I find them cringy so I avoid them. If you're UK based like me, a new excellent kimono deisgner here is Uber Dandy Kimono.

Completely agree with walolita. I've always felt that it can be a bit halloween costume esque. I'm completely against the argument the idea of only japanese people wearing japanese cultural clothing but it always feels off when some white person wears walolita. Probably because it's usually done hideously more than anything.

>>10487663
Once I counted up all my closetchild orders and it was over 10k USD. That was over a year ago so it's probably higher now. My tastes tend towards cheaper pieces with unique charm, so I doubt I could regain all of what I've spent. I plan on wearing my clothes for the rest of the life however so that's not an issue!

>>10487663
I wear classic and am acutely aware that selling my pieces on the western second hand market is not worth it.

>>10487577
Most hormonal anything can affecr your hair skin and nails. If you are someone who is sensitive to the ones used your body can cycle through telogen effluvium too quickly and fuck it all up. That's just one example. Not trying to tell you what to do obviously but it's honestly just a really hard process on the body.
>>10487580
You seem a bit misinformed friend. Look up side effects of egg donation, there are many factors involved and it goes way further than just cramps

>>10487697
Same, although it's nice when I buy pieces because I usually don't pay more than 100 usd for any unless it's new

>>10487663
yeah, especially because i started some years ago and bought a lot of cotton/pastel sweet while it was super cheap. i'd be rolling in it but i don't want to get rid of them

>>10487707
this + if the doctor sucking out your eggs makes any kind of misstep/bumps your ovary you could become infertile yourself. it might be worth it if anon is really that hard up for spending money but i wouldn't risk my health for clothes

>>10487663

No, the joy I get out of my wardrobe is much more than the money worth at the moment.

When I was poor I thought about selling it off a lot more, but now I'm more financially secure, I can't really think about selling it. Maybe when I'm in the straits again.

>>10487697
Lmao ain't that the truth too. Although I have a few pieces I know would sell above the selling price, most are just nahhhhh.

>>10487663
at least 30k in the current sweet boom

>>10487663
And what would that money be used for? Why sell just to have more money sitting around.

>>10487721
Plastic surgery, home renovations, furniture

>>10487709
Yeah, always a good feeling when you find a dress you want for that price. The only issue is that over time, I've fallen out of love with some of them and the "losses" slowly rack up...

>>10487730

Holy shit these priorities lmao

>>10487721
Nayrt but sometimes I get irrationally scared of house fires

>>10487663
I sold over half my wardrobe at one point and got about $6k. But I've always be really avid about selling stuff I really don't like, I like my wardrobe to only be stuff I currently love.

>>10487730
money is always such a hot topic on this board, i'm starting to think a lot of the users here are underage b& and don't have good jobs yet. save money in the first place if you want those things, right?

>>10487721
This is such an American thing to say. If you don't understand the importance of having savings, then I don't know what to tell you.

>>10487663
Nah. I always sell for far lower than I bought an item for, especially if I've worn it a lot. If I find anything I consider a large flaw, I offer the item for free to friends, as I would feel too guilty selling such an item. Even though I would be very clear about the damage. So I wouldn't earn a lot of money selling my wardrobe. And the time and effort that went into building it up is also worth something.

>>10487737

Home insurance is literally for these situations, get it bro.

>>10487735
It’s just extra money lying around, why not spend it on frivolous things? You did that with lolita in the first place.

>>10487735
>>10487744
Why are you assuming they don't have savings? Nayrt but I have like $30k savings and I still need to balance my free spending money

>>10487754
$30k really isn’t anything worth to brag about

>>10487756
Okay, but it's much more than the 6 months of savings recommended and enough to cover emergencies.

>>10487742
It’s just suggestions for extra spending money. I use most of my spending money on lolita. If I didn’t I could be using it for those things. But I’m fine with my situation right now.

>>10487756
reread the posts she's replying to. i doubt it was supposed to he bragging.

>>10487756
Are you 12

>>10487787
Nayrt but if you're offended maybe try responding with something better than "are you 12" which doesn't even make sense in this context, kek

>>10487802
Actually it does, you'd have to be young or stupid to not think 30k in savings is decent.

>>10487806
Probably one of those anons who totally saved $100k while working part time and going to college and has a $60k AP wardrobe and no she doesn't have any proof

>>10487806
How old are you that you feel the need to sit on 4chan and act like 30k is anything to write home about?

>>10487824
Lmao sounds like someone who argued with you in a previous thread is living in your head rent-free.

>>10487870
No one’s bragging lmao no one’s trying to impress anyone

>>10487870
the fact that you think it's supposed to be bragging says a lot more about you, anon

>>10487875
>>10487879
and yet you fail to notice the anons reee'ing and getting defensive over the idea that 30k savings isn't much.

>>10487895
it can be a perfectly fine amount and also not be a brag anon.

>>10487870
You sound mad. Still trying to pay off your student loans?

>>10487895

Idk man, my comm I think represents the age group of lolitas pretty well and I can only think of 4-5 people in a comm of 100 who would have savings over 30k, and I'm being generous with the criteria. Most are students or just starting jobs. I know when I started mine it was sort of a struggle to save because the starting salary was so low. Most people going into grad degrees have that issue as well due to their salary essentially being stipend money, which a lot of lolitas tend to do.

Just trying to seriously answer the question, but I'm sure someone will have an astoundingly insightful response of "just save more" with an incredibly realistic and useful budget.

>>10487901
There are statistics that the average millennial has around $5000 in savings so it's pretty normal sadly.

>>10487900
I know it might be hard to accept this but not everyone you disagree with is the same person.

>>10487906
>Realizes she misunderstood and went on a tear for no reason
>I-it wasn't just me! Other people misunderstood, too!
You can just admit you're wrong, anon.

>>10487908
Are you brain damaged? I was saying not everyone you disagree with is this student loans person.

>>10487635
This.

And the fact all of this is happening because of one person like this speaks volumes. It's so stupid.

>>10487744
I said more money. I already have savings. Learn to read.

>>10487721
>>10487918
You know you can invest your money instead of just letting it sit there, right?

>>10487934
Nayrt but you realize you should still keep savings even if you invest in your roth/401k/ whatever no taxable accounts right

>>10487936
Yes, you can save and invest at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive.

>>10487934
Okay anon. Obviously we are on different pages. No, I'm not selling my dresses just so I can make my arbitrary number of dollars increase be it savings/investments/what have you.

>>10487934
AP sweet probably outperforms the market tho

>>10487942
I'm not saying you have to, you were just acting like you couldn't see any reason why someone would want to have extra money on them instead of spending it all on frivolous hobbies, and I gave you a reason why lol.

>>10487954
Were you >>10487730?
Those sound just as frivolous to me. Only home reno could be seen as an investment, but that's highly dependant on what is done.
I just don't see the point in selling one hobby you enjoy to invest into another, unless you don't actually enjoy it.

>>10487963
No, I wasn't that anon. Their post actually made me cringe a lot.
Once again, I'm not saying you HAVE to sell your lolita and invest the money. I'm aware that I'm on a lolita board and that most people here would rather sell their organs than sell their brand. I was just trying to explain why someone might or what you could do with the money you made. Since that's exactly what >>10487721 was asking.

>>10487971
That was my original post, but it was a rhetorical question. I didn't actually expect anons to get fired up about it because it seems pointless to sell just to "have more money".

>>10487971
You should have suggested they sell lolita and use the money for reading comprehension classes, apparently

>>10487870
ntayrt but frankly I'd consider myself less of a success if I had any more than 30k, because it should be going into extra mortgage payments or investments at that point.

Actually statistically, 30k IS something to brag about. I'm a little bit shocked people don't know how bad income disparity is (assuming we are talking about the states). If international lolitas could chime in that would be great. 80% of workers live paycheck to paycheck. Just search "Americans no savings" or "paycheck to paycheck".

Obviously everyone at my work is doing just fine, like me, so I often think "this is what the average person is like!" We all have houses and cars and pets and lots of have kids. But if you just look up the numbers, if you have 30k in savings you're doing better than ~300 million people, like 70% of Americans, who live in a first world country. Just saying.

Lolita is a luxury hobby, you should only be spending disposable income on it. If we were able to look at the average lolita's savings, I wouldn't be surprised that as a collective we are very well-off.

>>10488080
I don't have savings because I spend it on lolita. Some of us are poorfags.

>>10488080
I'm not discounting the Americans who are poor and living off each paycheck, but a lot of it is because Americans are just genuinely shit at saving.
Like >>10488106.

>>10487689

Kimono de jack was (is?) pretty active on social media, so if nothing else, they were at least good for the visibility of promoting the idea that non-Japanese can and should wear kimono. Or maybe we just need a different Red Kimono society to promote that idea if kimono de jack isn't working out.

(wa lolita... yeah, it seems to attract even cringier weebs for some reason. The ones that actually like kimono usually go straight to wearing a yukata. The ones that get into wa lolita seem to be 'special' cases)

>>10487733
I just don't buy expecting I will get anything more than 75% what I paid. Really buying anything is a loss in the long run. The pieces that I have that could rack up worth in an auction are ones I will keep until I can't wear them anymore.

>>10487713
Don't forget there's a decent argument for fertility drugs increasing your risk for breast cancer

>>10487976
kek

>>10488150
Same, I don't get the idea that lolita is an investment. You're buying frilly dresses, not stocks. If anything, it's more like a rental, at least that's how I see it. I wore this dress for 25% of its life, so I'll sell it for 25% less than what I bought it for.

>>10488150
>>10488169

Honestly if anything it's kind of insane we get money back. I donate most normie clothes to the thrift shop/African countries when I'm done, for free. At least lolita has a resale value and you know it's going to someone who will likely love it as much as you did.

>>10488169
>has gotten over $2K playing the frill market.
>regularly sells stuff double the price they cost me, rarely have to drop price since I study the trends and know what is popular
>use the money to buy the gothic dresses I actually like

thank u sweet boom

feels good

>>10488180
Ok scalper

>>10488186
stay mad poorfag lol xoxo

>>10488180

The gothic market is inflated right now so good luck selling your gothic for as high of a mark up in a couple of years. But honestly, if you like gothic and it sparks joy, that's the true value of lolita.

>>10488171
I wonder if it'll become something like gunne sax dresses in the future. Those are still keeping their value really well.
Especially with the cottagecore boom recently.

>>10488198

they used to be super cheap, that's a bubble too. rich chinese girls and ig infleuncers also buying them up and inflating prices, and skeevy sellers selling gunne sax that are honestly disgusting

>t. gunne sax enthusiast horrified by the state her dresses came in

>>10488080

People were talking about selling eggs for brand earlier in the thread, and someone in the feels thread is talking about using her unemployment benefits check entirely on brand, so I don't think there are a lot of us rolling around in 30k of savings. You and I sound pretty similar in terms of finances, but not too long ago I too was not saving all that much but was still buying lolita to try to get serotonin hits on a small salary. I don't think it's just America either - I've heard of lolitas around the global maxing out CC's or overdrawing their bank accounts for that one dream dress.

I think we tend to make friends within certain circles, even in lolita, so it may seem like we are all fairly ok with money, but I don't really think that is the case even in my own comm.

>>10488080
When I first started out with lolita, literally ALL of my disposable income was spent on lolita. I was living like a poorfag in a shitty too small 1-room apartment that didn't even have space for a kitchen. I didn't own a car and was skipping meals at the end of the month. But in my head it was worth it because I had a nice wardrobe and the newest flavor of the month release. In the last few years I really got my shit together, I am now moving into my own house, finally getting my drivers license and I live frugally. Of my remaining 40k savings, 30k went into home renovations and the new furniture. I now wish I had saved up more though, 10k emergency funds isn't nearly enough for being a home owner. Thankfully my partner has a little more savings, otherwise I'd never be able to afford a middle class lifestyle thanks to my lolita spending habits in the past.

>>10488199
I used to buy gunne dresses for half of the prices they're selling for now. Hoping this boom dies so I can start my collection again. Funny how the Chinese get blamed for every popular thing though, are they really buying up the market?

I love the whole academic lolita prep look but why do you guys buy clothes of the cheapest make and cloth? it ain’t hard to replicate these looks with high quality garments

>>10488272
poorfags larping with costumes don’t care about actual clothes dumbfuck anon taobao shit is holy grail tier for them

>>10488270


On IG the tag is taken up by Chinese girls in dresses. I'm not wholly blaming them either (I get annoyed by this trend too), white influencer girls hopping on gentrifying thrifted are probably more to blame than anything. They're probably the sellers too desu

>>10488274
Don't look at me, I only wear burando academia.

>>10488272
it’s hard for some people to look beyond what little they know. I “mastered” lolita fashion (cheap costume shit quality clothes) and wasn’t open to alternative ways I could dress the same, amontongong tje image with better fabrics, cuts, and cost

>>10488080
This is interesting because savings accounts are not where you should save large amounts. I have one of the mid tier greens and my banker periodically tries to convince me to use higher yield vehicles like CDs and investment accounts. I don't have time to go to the bank or I would open up more accounts in different products

Savings are also risky for theft and fraud. Chinese dresses and homeowner's insurance is as much of a gamble

>>10488080
America is a first world country
if U say so lol

last night wunderwelt shipped out a package i ordered, but at the same time refunded my shipping on it? should i be concerned about my package?

>>10488292
amontongong tje

>>10488305
There was a free shipping event recently and if you combined newer or earlier orders with an order made in that time period they would have refunded the shipping cost. Otherwise I'm not sure how that would happen. Double check it was refunded and not just pending and then in limbo if you paid by CC? Some of my WW purchases go in and out of being reconcilled until my bank decides theyre real for some reason.

Maybe I imagined this, but isn't BOZ accepting overseas payments and orders now?

>>10486923
You love to see it happen, folks

>>10488324
They say so in their website, but I haven't heard of any success from people who have tried.

>>10488324
A few weeks ago I tried to pay with my Visa card and it didn't work, even when I called the bank and got them to approve it. Apparently Boz was declining it on their side. Also there's no way to enter a non-Japanese address except by writing it in the order notes.

>>10487663
Around 15k or more. I bought most of it used for around 20k total so I’m hoping I’ll get 75% of the cost back. I’m a pastel sweet brand whore who bought stuff about 4 years ago when it wasn’t super expensive so I think it’s possible if it’s in the next few years or I time it right. And yeah I think about it all the time but I’m not there yet. I don’t think it’ll be a drift away from lolita thing for me, I think once I have a baby I’ll sell it all at once because I won’t be able to wear it for like a year and then I know my priorities will shift and I need the physical space in my house. I’m going to keep that money to invest in a nice high end normie wardrobe of grownup stuff that’ll last me the rest of my life and spend just as judiciously as I did in lolita by buying secondhand. It’s like seed money for me for my closet for the rest of my life

>>10488281
Ugh I hate how shitty resellers have ruined thrift shopping. Tbh I don’t even try any more. All the good stuff is snatched up immediately by resellers and they know when the stores get restocked. It pisses me off because people do are nice stuff with the intention that the less fortunate can wear nice things but whenever I go all that’s left is forever 21 and H&M crap being sold for almost what it costs new

>>10488360

I've noticed that too. It almost makes me want to go back to my small midwest town because even if the shop owners give me weird looks, at least the vintage is cheap and plentiful.

>>10488272
I don't. If a brand makes shit quality clothing, I'm not going to buy it. Especially for academia-style clothing, there are so many high-quality normie options I could and do turn to instead. But there are a lot of brandwhores here who would eat up anything AP makes, so I get why you would say that.

LM sellers should get a penalty or strike to their account if they sell an item that is up for auction and has bids on it already on a different site/platform

>>10488472
That sounds like a recipe for trouble for the seller, dumb and risky thing to do

>>10488476
>Sellers should have the "Make an offer" option enabled and a BIN price if they are going to allow people to BIN without bidding with no disclosure to the people who have already bid

>>10488476
Sellers should have the "Make an offer" option enabled and a BIN price if they are going to allow people to BIN secretly without bidding with no disclosure to the people who have already bid

>>10488299
I'm the $30k anon and I have some other money in investments, though I'm not as keen on investmenting right now, and it's only about $6k there. Then a separate retirement account which is somewhat behind.
The only reason I was able to save money is getting a good job really, otherwise I had student loans and spent the meager rest of it on shopping, aside from a really small emergency fund (like $2k). I still struggle with if I'm even saving enough, I often feel like I either need to save everything or I'm being irresponsible which makes me just want to not save at all.

Unpopular opinion: AP hit its peak in 2012 and ever since has been going downhill. Nothing from them makes me feel the same kind of joy i felt in,say, 2009 or 2010 or even before when i began around 2007

>>10488327
Kek i get big troon energy from that single shot why is it always men that are creeps or look like them that troon out?
That aside,Lor is fucking stupid for handling it this way and I heard Tyler was flying to her rescue

>>10488528
That's not an unpopular opinion, have you noticed how much 2010-era ap has been selling for?

hello, I’m new to lolita and thinking about getting some pieces for that academia coord. my bf dresses in dark academic style and I want some Brando that matches that fashion. Any tips on brands I should look out for? Thanks

>>10488554
AP does school-style releases pretty often, Meta has also done some. You might like this: https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-magical-class-blazer
I suggest lurking and learning how to buy secondhand.

>>10488556
thank you so much for the link you’re so kind :3 do you know how I should measure myself? I just transition so I’m still new to all these girly stuff ^_^

>>10488563
Use Google, this isn't a hugbox

>>10488568
Pretty sure it's bait anon

Real bait hours going on rn.

>>10488568
I’m so incredibly sorry for making you mad. I’ll be sure to lurk more and google stuff before asking next time ;_; uguu

>>10488568
Anon, this is bait. And really obvious bait

>>10488327
Ewww this looks so fucking creepy

Wow fuck me for doing the un-salty thing for one newfag and they turn out to be a shit tier troll. Fuck this place sometimes.

>>10488697
don’t let this experience ruin it for other anons you can be nice too (:

>>10485421
Thanks to some poorfag anons bitching in another thread, I was able to buy my DD for a good price!

>>10488702
hi Krista.

>>10488714
Meme

Bring back the bath suits BTSSB! Meta made a couple too... They’re so cute...

>>10488793
yes please! It's so hard to find cute swimsuits. I want brand loungewear/PJs too...

Atelier Boz - 2021 Special Lucky Pack
Price: 46,000 yen (tax incl.)

It's a five-piece set containing a blouse, a swallowtail jacket, a JSK, a cape and a jabot tie.
>https://www.atelier-boz.co.jp/products/detail/272

What do you do when a buyer ghosts you? This broad bid on my auction and hasn't replied to my invoice or messages in almost a week.
Should I relist the item and give up on chasing them down?

>>10488817
That's gorgeous, wow...

ew

>>10488793
dreamV does cute swimsuits still

>>10488817
Why must they release this when I'm broke? Their sets are always lovely.

>>10488817
I love how it looks all together, I just don't like how the bodice of the JSK looks by itself.

>>10488714
I wouldn't touch Angelic Shitty with a ten foot pole

>>10488272
yea, normie luxury designer is where it’s at for academe trad but my more “niche” clothes I get Japanese lolita brand things

>>10488954
based. although some “normie” luxury designers have clothes that work well with the Lolita aesthetic

New thread: >>10489041

>>10488720
>>10488952
anyone can go view sold items on lace market and see who bought them and your profile literally has you in an AP set

maybe just be more careful about outing yourself :3