/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'm posting some of the new releases from KERA

Victorian Maiden
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40511

Royal Princess Alice
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40578

Alice and the Pirates
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40500

Lieblich and Elegant
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40488

Sheglit
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40466

Royal Princess Alice
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40453

MAM MAXICIMAM

MAM MAXICIMAM
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40382

Moi Meme Moitie
>http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/40331

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>>10456227
This is gorgeous. I’m not a classic lolita but I’m definitely buying this.

>>10456229
Are they even trying

>>10456229
>>10456238

Okay these are actually very cute!
Still can’t wait for the VM release, I hope there are other nice cuts too.

>>10456239
I wish they wouldn’t use Misako to model Moitie. This dress is ugly anyway, but she really doesn’t suit Moitie in general.

>>10456240
Huh, what's wrong with the green dress? I think it's really cute.

Misako posted another upcoming new VM release. They have had all my money this year and I love it

>>10456251
The corset lacing on the shoulders looks stupid. It’s fine besides that but it really draws the eye unfortunately.

>>10456234
>>10456239
Gothic brands are really a snoozefest these days. What happened?

>>10456239
mmm is going in a painfully normie direction. first that plain black dress and now this.

>>10456256
They had this OP for a long time now, it's not even new. Do you even gothic?

>>10456255
It sucks, doesn't it? Meanwhile old Moitie prices continue to soar and every dress gets snapped up in minutes. You'd think they'd cash in on the popularity, but instead they just release boring designs no one was waiting for.

>>10456253
the details are so gorgeous

>>10456263
I used to be able to snatch the MMM pieces on CC but they've been selling out super fast lately.
I wonder if anyone is using a bot, since the loading times are crazy slow recently

Does anyone understand the points system on Wunderwelt? I’ve bought from them and fleur several times this year but I have zero points

>>10456255
KERA only shows one coord and not the entire collection

>>10456257
>implying you're talking to a real lolita
cgl is larp central, anon gave themselves away the moment they called the recent moitie solid "normie"

>>10456269
Everyone's pretty hyped for this release, I can't help but to think of tablecloth when I see that lace collar. It's still really nice though.

>>10456273
Yeah it reminds me of all the itas and newbies who shat on Moitie's simple jumperskirt in Rufflechat.

>>10456269
>>10456274
I love it, but I just do not like buttons going below the waist. It’s been the one thing stopping me from buying otherwise perfect sheglit OPs in the past

>>10456268
That's weird, I've been getting points as usual. Dumb question, but you have made an account, right? You don't get points if you're using guest checkout.

>>10456268
Have the orders shipped yet? I don't think you get points until it ships.

>>10456280
I have an account but my points are at zero, even though it tells me how many points each order earned.

>>10456281
If that’s the case that would explain it! They aren’t shipping to my country at the moment.

Thanks for the help!

>>10456274
>I can't help but to think of tablecloth when I see that lace collar
I think of straw hats, but I do see where you're coming from

>>10456235
this is Triple Fortune

>>10456293
Kek

>>10456293
whoops

>>10456276
Honestly I love the long lines of buttons on Sheglit's dresses. They're one of my favorite dress features in general.

>>10456239
Didn't they already release this but in black and sax?

>>10456233
This is so cute, I wish I could pull off this length of dress

>>10456358
Yes, they did. If I'm not wrong, the only new thing in this coord is the hair bow.

Considering we've seen shots of Yui Minakata modelling the newer coffin lace JSK, I don't know why they're still showing off this OP.

>>10456235
That's Triple Fortune, not RPA.

>>10456254
>looks stupid
no, u

>>10456273
>>10456274
imagine trying to defend something that looks like a tj maxx dress with some lace on the bottom and calling everyone who disagrees a larper. y'all delusional.

>>10456229
I like the styling on this. I like the lace topped socks with boots

>>10456227
Yeah I'm buying this. I fucking love sax in classic

>>10456238
They're still kicking??

>>10456227

Ugh come to me wallpaper camo dress. VM release this so I can throw money at you!

>>10456390

They've been available to buy new from their Japan site with SS and from CDJapan semi-directly forever.

>>10456390
I still buy from them. Their JSKs are sturdy af and the blouses are comfortable.

>>10456235
One of the first cute dresses I've seen out of TF desu. I guess their tacky taste works for qi.

>>10456238
God that lace looks atrocious despite it probably being soft irl

>>10456239
This isn’t new though? You don’t see the rose color that often but it came out with the black and sax OPs. Are they planning a rerelease?

>>10456244
Agreed, she really doesn’t suit Moitié. The stock photos with FR on the WW site look much nicer.

>>10456387
confirmed larper

>>10456387
Keep proving to everyone you are larper, basic shit like that jsk is literally the bread and butter of moitie. Considering how hard it is to get simple moitie pieces like that jsk, the release is much appreciated. Now here's to hoping they make knit cardigans with the coffin lace.

>>10456239
well, i appreciate that misako looks girly and pink even in gothic. i know models are not supposed to distract from the clothing, but she's such an og that she deserves to get everything in her favorite colorway and styling.

>>10456387
If you don’t like Moitie why are you commenting on their releases?

>>10456239
>>10456233
>>10456227
Misako looks horrible in these pics. She doesn't look old she just looks gross.

>>10456568
Your opinion is noted

>>10456566
i like good moitie dresses like iron gate and other prints

>>10456568
She looks completely fine, weirdo.

>>10456571
Print fags are ruining lolita.

>>10456387
Find a TJ Maxx dress with that tailoring and post it

>>10456387
Are you the same larper that was commenting this TJ maxx shit the last time a MMM solid was posted on RC?

>>10456587
Guarantee its just another angry fatty screeching because even moitie's inclusive sizing is still too small for them

>>10456587
>paying over $300 because "tailoring" rather than any actual unique elements like design or print
gothic lolitas are brainless mana simps at this point

>>10456575
God it’s true

>>10456625
Post the TJ Max dresses you keep seeing. We all would love to save money.

>>10456625
Are you retarded?

Flashy designs and prints aren't the only thing that makes a garment high quality or nice to look at.
Sorry some peoples' brains are a bit more evolved than "OOH me LIKE SPARKLE AND FRILL YES BRIGHT COLOR GOOD!!!"

>>10456625
I pretty much only wear prints but even I can recognize that a dress can look good without it.

>>10456625
You probably think Diamond Honey is good quality.

>>10456625
>paying $300 for nonsense like “construction” and “materials”
>not even getting any cat clip art

I tried my best to create a 2.taobao account to hunt for second hand lolita and I managed to get my account frozen somehow?? I think I changed my password too many times because I didn't realize I had to add "-" after the country code.

>feels bad man.jpg

Now I can only window shop with the infuritating pop up blocking me every 5 secs asking to log in

>>10456625
my wardrobe is mostly eyebleeding pastel fucking garbage and i'm telling you to pull your head out of your ass
>also where the fuck are you if your TJ maxx has moitie tier clothes

>>10456672
is that bean-chan in the middle? damn she looks completely different with no shoop lmao

also sorry anon, maybe try incognito mode?

>>10456625
Just buy the t-shirt

>>10456680
Unfortunately, 2.taobao/Xianyu only works through the mobile app via cellphone and registers your phone # so if you're locked out that is it. There is a customer service appeal but r/taobao says they don't respond and if you call their number there is a fee attached to the call - LOL

> regarding photo: I'm unsure as I saved it from the gothic general thread as a reaction image and didn't read the context

I'm contemplating using a program to mimic a phone on my computer and trying to register with a VOIP phone number. I'll put together a tutorial if it works and I think it is worth the effort.

My inspiration is from the Taobao thread where anon posted about ordering directly
>>10456335
>Decided to take a gamble and order on taobao directly (usa). You can use a foreign cc through alipay and they will consolidate your stuff in a warehouse for free for 20 days (1y per item per day after that)...etc

and it would be nice to browse Xianyu for the deals

>>10456672
>>10456696
I can tell you guys that there are no good deals on Xianyu, at least not for AP or Baby stuff. Their prices are even higher than LM.

>>10456571
>I like good Moitie dresses like (most known print) and other (prints I don’t name)

>>10456696
Just download NOX.

>>10456390
Yes, just like Visible and Marble

>>10456696
You can't use a Google Voice #?

Did everybody get what they wanted from the R R Memorandum stock update?

>>10457064

Expected more bloomers and kinda sad the leopard spotted skirt and head dress sold so fast.

>>10457064
I got there 3 minutes past the hour and everything I wanted (skirt and headdresses) was already gone. Good for the brand at least, I didn't expect such a bloodbath release.

>>10457064
Is it me or did the blackxwhite skirt sell out immediately? I was on the page from 5 on the dot and it was the first thing I went to and it was sold out by then. Kinda bummed because it was the only thing I really wanted, but oh well. More money for me.

>>10457086
I didn't get most of what I was hoping (I did snag the sweet leopard print tho)

>>10457064

Ended up not buying anything. I was excited for the Gravelvet necklaces, and then they ended up looking really bad in the product photos so I just decided not to get anything because only one item isn’t worth the shipping cost to my country anyway.

>>10457086

I got lucky because the thing I wanted was only available a few sizes too big, so I just grabbed it and will alter it if need be, but some stuff seemed to go INSTANTLY.

>>10457064
I was hoping to snag a black skirt but missed it by minutes - really wasn’t expecting it to go that fast, but good for them

>>10457064
I hesitated between the black x white and leopard for a minute and then everything was sold out.

I'm hoping she makes more, it's nice to have a good brand in my country that I can buy staples from.

>>10457064
Are there special fees/taxes for buying from R.R.Memorandum to the US? Idk shit about Europe, but I know I don't get charged customs or fees from Japan.

>>10457146
Isn’t it organized in the US that you won’t have to pay customs until an amount of 500$?

>>10457158
It’s $800 and anon is a moron because it doesn’t matter which country

>>10457160
I had to pay customs when the amount was just above $700

>>10457122
The pins are ok but the necklaces are really messy and cheap looking. Not what I expected at all.

>>10457166

One with a hair stuck to it, resin all over the frame, the cut outs at the back sticking out... I actually feel really bad for the girl who runs RRM because she was kind of endorsing them by collabing and the guy who owns Gravelvet hasn’t really made an effort.

>>10457162
The customs officer could be using a different exchange rate, or you could have had other packages coming in, otherwise they wouldn’t have charged you. It’s literally illegal and they wouldn’t risk breaking the law because it’s not like they get a cut. There are plenty of higher value packages coming in anyway. You’re just unlucky.

>>10457160
I'm asking about fees on the european side, not the u.s. side. Don't they have export tax of some sort?

>>10457160
>anon is a moron because it doesn’t matter which country
what? customs fees differ country to country, and they differ depending on where the item is being shipped from in some cases because of import regulations. like the US rarely charges customs fees at all, but packages from china are being targeted because of trump legislation.

>>10457064
Miraculously I got the exact items I wanted (tartan skirt in my size and the tartan headbow). Was disappointed that the pretty angel headdress (that sold out
before the skirts at like. 5:01) didn't have a red/white colorway. Also regret not picking up the white crochet socks because they are very cute but I'm still happy.

>>10457064
considering the owner is a fat attentionwhore, no

>>10457167
>Guy

Kek. Also I want to support RRM but the stuff she's selling looks so basic and lame compared to what she used to make for herself like the skirt suits

>>10457326
deets?

>>10457355
wait is the person who runs gravelvet not a guy?

>>10457358
they're a transman

>>10457358
gravelvet i believe goes by he/ him so yes

>>10457166

A friend of mine bought one, then looked more closely at the product photos and now she’s trying to figure out if she has the balls to ask to cancel the order or not.

I guess the pins will be factory made and the necklaces will be handmade so the quality might differ a bit, but like >>10457167 said, one of them looked like it had a hair stuck in it...

>>10457064
No, I hope they consider a made to order. I'm willing to wait if it means I don't have to take a chance on a bloodbath

>>10457385
I don’t know if the owner could manage an mto, isnt she quite unwell?

>>10456397
Am I dumb or is the release date not posted anywhere?

>>10457410

Release date isn't posted yet. Their latest release is the horse riding series with no announcements for when their future releases will drop, which include this one and a striped OP pic related.

>>10457086
Same, I was really hoping for a black x white skirt but it seemed to be sold out instantly in several sizes.
I hope they’ll restock skirts next time.

>>10457194
Export from EU: good, no tax
Import to EU: bad, tax
Import/export within EU: good, no tax

>>10457389
i know she’s autistic but i don’t know if she’s chronically ill as well or if i’m thinking of somebody else

Any thoughts on that Dentelle zine that's under KS rn?

>>10457564
I don’t really like the art, and I didn’t hear much about the previous ones so I’m probably going to give it a miss. The rewards are tiered pretty weirdly too.

>>10457559
Most lolitas nowadays are some kind of “spoonie”. Sometimes the outfits just don’t generate enough attention and you have to think of a new, exciting way to make people look at you.

>>10457326

vendetta

>>10456749
I appreciate you. This saved me a lot of time looking at different services.

>>10456835
To set up the account they need to text you verification codes and whatnot and from what I see you can't get texts from "websites or subscription services" (see below). I could however download whatsapp through NOX and get text messages through there. I'm giving it a try this week so fingers crossed

> Note: To get text messages from websites, like a bank or subscription service, you need to use your mobile operator number.

>>10457672
haha ok it's not like there's multiple other people that said the same thing in the archives but sure, vendetta

>>10457724
literally where? i can’t see any evidence that she ever did anything to anybody.....

>>10457355
At least what she’s selling isn’t badly made. She’s labelled it the “essentials” line that makes it seem kinda like it’s supposed to be more basic, every day stuff.

>>10457725
There are a few anons here who seem to hate her but I never see anyone give any details. If anyone has any real info take it to the farm because I'm interested, but otherwise I'm calling vendetta.

>>10457930
I think it’s just trendy to hate old schoolers.

>>10457942
If you’ve been on this board longer than 10 minutes I think that’s just plain obvious. Why do think most of them don’t post publicly much anymore?

>>10457944
and nothing of value was lost

>>10457944
I know, I was just responding to the anon asking for deets on what R.R. Memorandum girl has done.

>>10457947
Is your mother proud that she birthed a meme?

>>10457952
Sorry, wasn’t calling you specifically out. Didn’t mean to sound hostile towards you.

>>10457383
desu it’s your friend’s fault for not looking at the photos properly before buying.

>>10457960
tbf you expect things your paying for to not be sloppily made...

>>10457644
>Most lolitas nowadays are some kind of “spoonie”. Sometimes the outfits just don’t generate enough attention and you have to think of a new, exciting way to make people look at you.
That is so 5 years ago. Now everyone is a CSA victim with some sort of vague “trauma”

>>10457982
i was molested before it was cool

>>10457982
CSA is unfortunately way more common than people realize. Also, people discussing it more might help others realize that their experiences weren't normal. I think this is a weird hill to die on, man.

>although the validity of nicole dollanganger-esque traumacore vent art as an actual coping mechanism is questionable

>>10457960
>desu it’s your friend’s fault for not looking at the photos properly before buying.
I hope that was a failed attempt at a joke and you’re not actually that stupid.

>>10457966
If I was rmm and that was the stock I’d been sent for the collab I would have never put them up for sale in the first place.

>>10458013
Same

>>10458016
This is true, but I’ve had actual conversations with multiple people who said they were coerced into pretending they views things like being hit on once by an older man online as CSA. Ironically, they were all in groups crusading against “trauma porn” art and they needed to validate their “trauma” in order to fit in. So to be perfectly honest, I don’t trust you.

>>10458022
Oh, yeah, no I agree with you on that front. There's a lot of weird pushes to make everything online completely safe for minors even in adult spaces, and the onus being completely on random adults to Protect The Kids, who probably shouldn't even be online in the first place if they're so fearful of interaction. W/rt what you said, I think "trauma communities" beyond moderated support groups for things like CPTSD are often really harmful and tend to lead to almost competitive suffering, ie who's the most traumatized, but I don't think breaching the subject in general is inherently bad or disingenuous.

>>10458024
Ah, then I think we are taking past each other, sorry.

I meant more that the ex-tumblr BPD crowd moved onto CSA being the next hot thing to coopt, not that talking about CSA is bad. In the same way I think disabilities and mental illness are real and should be de-stigmatized, but what that crowd is doing is playing house with other people’s real issues not stimulating discussion.

Anyway, sorry for snapping at you. We seem like we are actually on the same page.

>>10458026
I fully agree then, people definitely have coopted it. Me and my girlfriend both having Actual Childhood Trauma, and it being trendy makes it way more difficult to interact in support communities in good faith (mainly on shitholes like tumblr) because there's no real distinction between something like being raped as a child and having a bad breakup with your boyfriend in 7th grade.

Sorry for the misinterpretation, hope you have a good one.

I just got the main pieces to my first coord and I'm so excited!
So far I have two skirts, a blouse, my pettie and a matching headband to one of the skirts.
Boutta order some shoes and accessories this pay day I can't wait to wear my stuff more, putting the main stuff on felt like a long awaited dream coming true.

>>10458050
congrats! which skirts did you get?

>>10458050
Congrats, anon!

>>10458053
The bodyline one I nabbed off LM for 19 bucks I figured why not. The blouse is white but the picture the taobao seller uses is covered with a jsk.

>>10458064
Very cute! Seems like a good start to a functional wardrobe

Have you ever had lolita related expectation vs reality?

>>10458021
maybe it’s a reputation thing, maybe she didn’t want to cause drama. or she didn’t notice how sloppy they were.

>>10458203
>Expectation: I will be an anime princess carving my own path in the world. I may look strange, but I will at worst ignored for my alternative clothing choices.
>Reality: "LITTLE BO PEEEEEEP HALLOWEEN IS IN OCTOBER"
Does the entirety of my lolita experience count?

>>10458203
>Every time I buy a dress from taobao.
>Every time I buy accessories from AP.

>>10458209
Being afraid of burning bridges is common when you first start a business

>>10457086
The black and white M was never available as she doesn't have them in stock (yet?). She said so on Facebook at least

>>10458234
Don't forget.
>Every time I buy a dress from AP

>>10458269
Luckily I haven't bought a dress from them in years

>>10458235
hasn’t that dude had a shop forever, too? maybe she didn’t want to start any disagreements with somebody already established. or she just doesn’t care about selling garbage to people.

Is the quality of nameless poem any good? I mean its taobao after all

>>10458415
It's not terrible, just don't buy the replica by accident.

Are you sure lolita isnt a kink?

>>10458415
I owned Nameless Poem back when I still bought Taobao and while it's decent quality for Taobao it's still not on the level of brand at all. Better than my Ecailles de Lune stuff though, which is also supposed to be decent-tier Taobao I think.

Enchantlic Enchantilly - Nostalgia Rose OP (ノスタルジアローズワンピース)
>Price: 28,380 yen (tax incl.)

Colours:
>White x blue rose (オフ白×青薔薇)
>Black x light red rose (黒×薄紅薔薇)

Length: 94 cm
Sleeve length: 18 - 40 cm
Bust: 57 - 114 cm
Waist:. 57 - 114 cm

>https://atelier-pierrot.shop-pro.jp/?mode=srh&sort=n&cid=&keyword=%A5%CE%A5%B9%A5%BF%A5%EB%A5%B8%A5%A2%A5%ED%A1%BC%A5%BA

>>10458631
Oh man this is hella cute. I usually don’t like EE but I might buy this to soothe the hole in my heart where Moitie’s Blue Roses lives.

>>10458493
If lolitas actually got more dick they wouldn't be so angry.

Does anyone own any Melody Basket? They posted pics of two new coats and I’m considering getting this one.

>>10458415
Better than Moitie. It's fully lined, the fabric doesn't crease, the shape is very good over the petti, it fits well, the embroidery is well done and the seams very strong. There's n room for pulling threads. It holds much better than any of the latest releases of mmm. It's worse than boz, though.

>Inb4 oh no it's taobao much bad very worse no quality! Wow!
Just search for reviews for both mmm and np and you'll see for yourself. Do not waste posts in this thread discussing it with me.

>>10458318
I wouldn’t say he’s established. More accurate to say “Been around for years trying to be hot shit but nobody really cares”.

>>10458668
See you could have just said its good without the comparison that proves you dont know what quality is. Nothing recent of MMM is embroidered to compare with except for the nun collar and the sweaters, and those are both excellent. They arent comparable in fabric choices too. Apples to oranges.


Nameless poem is ok. The shape is kinda awkward, it seems to sit on that middle of being high waisted and normal waist on people but looks better if you create the waist. This is because the bodice isnt that structured enough and so it depends on the waist belt to pull you in. That is a design flaw that they did to cut corners. Same issue with the skirt, the gathering is messy and makes it looks like it needs an ironing always, and they would have done better to do proper pleats. These are quality choices that determine why its like 100 not 300.

That being said it is a good taobao dress, the embroidery is good and is not worth buying the dress without it as its the highlight. I like wearing it i the fall but do keep in mind that some releases are ivory and some are white.

I love this colour

>>10458668
If you didn't want a discussion, you wouldn't have brought up Moitie

>>10458665
Misako owns a lot of it

>>10458690
>it seems to sit on that middle of being high waisted and normal waist on people
For me, it's just the perfect bodice size. AP sits too high and JetJ sits too low, for comparison. So, at least for me, it's spot on my measurements.

>the gathering is messy
My version is the from the second rerelease, so that's the one I can vouch for. I tried comparing both NP and the one moitie piece I own, since the other anon mentioned it, and the gathering isn't that much different. Moitie's piece isn't even, just like NP has some not-so-even parts.
left is nameless and right is that jewelry print

>>10458705
oof I can see the thread used for gathering on the right picture. what the fuck

>>10458203
>>10458269

Heck, every anticipation of buying a dress from AP

>cgl shits on dress = it'll be a bloodbath
>no noise on cgl = no1curr, dress will be unpopular and go on sale

As for the dresses. Most of them look like their photos. I haven't been dissappointed so far, but I used to buy a lot of IW too, so I have no issues with polyester dresses.

>>10458705
Is this nu Moitie or old?

>>10458697
awesome, now anon can just ask her...

>>10458722
It's from 2011, so pre-Wunderwelt.

>>10458705
Nameless Poem seems much better gathered than the other one.

Looks like >>10458690 is the one who doesn't understand a thing about quality. I do not own Nameless Poem, but, I've seen it from up close and the fabric is that one that doesn't need ironing. I don't know what you're going on about, but Moitie is expensive because of its brand value, not because of quality. Go ask anyone who owns more than one piece and you'll understand that.

>>10458695
Oh I like that. Dress name?

>>10458631
EE has been really enticing me lately and I’m not sure why. might pick this up

>>10458705
Not to be stupid, but this is two different types of fabric and the draping will change how the gather looks, right? Am I crazy?

That being said nameless poem does look nice. I have a long waist though so the fit will probably be garbage on me.

>>10458745
You're right, they will change, but, as you can see, the uneven gathering on Moitie's piece doesn't have to do with the fabric choice, but, rather, it's related to the needle used to do so. The thread showing is inexcusable, and the lack of gather on the left side of the moitie piece may negatively affect the draping of it over a petti. Nothing drastic, of course, but enough to put in question the issue of "quality" being one of the perks of this brand,

>>10458754
Makes sense

>>10458740
Key wording is looks like. Its about how the gathering leads to it looking wrinkly not that it is wrinkling. Hence why pleats would have helped it. Design choices are a big part of what leads to quality, and that with fabric choices makes it clear that NP is cheaper for a reason that isnt just brand name. Moitie's polyester they use for their standard plain stuff is much thicker and stiffer. If you want to compare new stuff, look at the nun op for the japanese quality or the newer lace coffin jsk for something also simply designed.

Its a meme at this point that taobao is somehow better than brand but most people here dont know what makes something quality besides hating on poly from Ap.

>>10458705
On mine there is a few errors at the waist but also loose threads on the cuffs. Buttons are also loose but I dont really mark that against np since it is common among most dresses that buttons are badly sewn. I def need to oxy the white looking at it now though.

>>10458745
Yes, and thats why its hard to do a 1 to 1 example because we arent comparing the same things. Some things you can only see in person and so I cant describe to you that the NP fabric is thinner in a way you can see. I can tell you that the draping is not as nice and its because the choice to gather it was wrong for this fabric. They are both polyester but different ones. I also do see that NP's lining is attached to the skirt at the bottom so that will affect how it drapes. A lot of skirts will have a tack that connects them at the seam so that it is mostly free or is fully free.

On that moitie example, the tension was the issue. JP also has a screen print so there isnt much you can compare on the print as they are too different.

>>10458723
I've had a reply from her on Instagram before

>>10458743
https://www.instagram.com/p/CD73elaj1HQ/?igshid=txro9z09g55k

If there were a website that could keep track of previous sales listings for lolita items would you use it?
The idea is users would submit listings of items they are tracking and it would serve as an archive of previous listings more or less to replace price check threads.
You would be able to submit listings from all major sales sites and ideally be able to get an idea of the worth of an item on the JP vs EN market. Each submission would be checked by an admin to confirm the listing exists so that people cannot falsely inflate the previous sales price.
It would only be as useful as the people willing to submit to it so I was curious if there is even interest in something like this.

>>10458631
I really want to like this, but I'm not a fan of the random line of trim in the upper part of the skirt and the fabric is so grandma's couch kei.

>>10458711
FR, I remember when cinema doll came out and literally everyone in the lolita general was shitting on it but I've seen the JSK in ivory go for $500.

>>10458806
But you can already search completed sales on LM and egl comm sales. I don't see the point.

>>10458815
It would include Japanese sites like Closet Child, Fril, Wunderwelt, etc.
I mostly buy from Japan secondhand. It helps knowing how much to set aside for dresses you are pursuing.

>>10458815
I think they are including things like Japanese listings too. Less who bought what anon more a carfax for dresses, which I saw neat in concept but they can barely get people to volunteer for lolibrary

>>10458821
For the Japanese market there is aucfan.com
It's just pointless work imo

>>10458690
This. I’m 5’8 and owned NP before, looked terrible on me, absolutely horrifying, I became one giant ita when I put it on, the waist is way too high for me.

>>10458806
I can already tell you relying on this to be manual instead of automated via web scraping is not a good idea. Besides, market fluctuates so much because of rereleases or other variabled variables that I can't see how you'd establish a badeline. It isn't worth developing

>>10456672
it's all so scalped you're missing nothing

>>10458834
Mtiple anons have already stated that the dress sits right on them. I don't think that's enough proof to say it's bad. Different bobies will fit different pieces. I, for instance, cannot wear IW as everything sits too low on me

>>10458631
The blue one is so beautiful, but that random line in the middle of the skirt kills it for me. Geez

>>10458806
why are people gung-ho to make useless stuff like this but no one is willing to make a new lolita guide, which is desperately needed?

>>10458860
>which is desperately needed?
is it? I remember seeing some people willing to make one, but other anons quickly shunned them. I don't know if it's really needed or, better, wanted. people often sound like them wanted someone who is god-tier to make these guides, but these people simply don't exist.

>>10458865
I would say it is needed based on the state of the lolita communities in Facebook, Amino and Reddit. Laugh all you want but many the newbs are there learning stupid shit from each other. Losing livejournal meant losing easy access to answers for newb questions. Unless they find a good discord they are clueless

>inb4 who cares
Lolita will die without new blood and I’d rather them learn how to not be ita eventually. If their only guide is lor and reddit that won’t happen.

>>10458865
the tumblr one which is recommended most often is outdated and full of subjective opinions rather than facts. i don't feel i've been in the fashion anywhere near long enough to qualify writing a guide, or else i'd start one up myself

>>10458871
No, I won't laugh, I'm taking it seriously.
I wonder if, by having a guide, it would mean that newbies would reach for it. I mean, the info is already available online if one is willing to search, but they don't out of.... laziness? Or maybe because the way people use the internet nowadays has shifted from searching and reading blogs to reaching out on boards / social media and asking to be spoonfed?

>>10458876
If you post it where they are many would. If we have it on here or Tumblr not a chance

>>10458880
>>10458876
And to answer your last question, a lot of zoomers don’t know how to use google because they were raised on siloed apps. It’s dumb but it also a legitimate hole in their tech literacy. Just hoping they use the right keywords to find a blog is not really a viable plan.

Posting a full guide on lolita communities would stop a lot of the spoon feeding. However, that requires some coordination with mods

>>10458872
I agree. The tumblr one is the best option but its not ideal.

Has CGL outgrown CoF threads? They’re so much less active than they used to be.

>>10458895
CGL ruined it for themselves since they get derailed kek

>>10458895
I stopped checking the CoF thread. The coords are bad and the discussion is boring.

>>10458881
it could easily be posted around to places like reddit and amino, even without explicit mod permission. it could also be linked around insta and fb groups.

>>10458852
How short are you? I can't wear most IW because the torso is way too short and I'm 160 cm tall

FB is dying, does anyone have a guess on what will be happening with online lolita communities?

I see a lot of people migrating to ig, but it doesn’t really have a group function or stimulate discussion. Reddit and Amino are full of itas and no one wants to hang there.

Will we stay on fb even if it’s dying? Reclaim amino from the itas? Will some angel finally create a good platform that’s specific for lolita? Or will anyone who is willing to do so be discouraged by heavy criticism? Maybe there will be a new social media that fit our needs? Or will the community ignore it and lolita discussion will be spread trough the internet without a specific space to interact?

What are your bets?

>>10458967
This Halloween, we summon livejournal from beyond the grave

>>10458967
i still vote for an old-fashioned forum. stuff like amino is made for adhd zoomers and gives me a headache.

>>10458967
I cant see fb dying at this point, even if you choose to post pics on ig the idea of RC, LU,and other groups are a big part of the community especially since irl meets arent a thing right now.

Fb also still is the only place to organize events, some bigger things have websites but they arent well used.

we need a platform that is for events, and conversations. However I dont see anyone trying to beat fb at events now

>>10458967
Probably because people focus more on the fashion part rather than the online community part. Most lolitas are too old to deal with dumb teen shit. That, and online communities aren't popular anymore in general.

>>10458925
It could be posted but what it needs is to be in a sticky or the about section.

>>10458967
My money is on twitter. it’s already tumblr part 2

>>10458971
>>10458974
I hope y’all are right though

>>10458871
Honestly anon, most of the newbs who would most benefit from a guide aren't so much interested in the right way to do it as they are in getting praise regardless of what they do. There's already a lot of guides everywhere and they're still getting it wrong, which must mean they don't care enough to put in the time to learn.
Somebody said the Tumblr one is outdated but it covers the basics. You could make a new one that adds information on how to do certain things that were thought to be ita but are less so in modern times the right way (such as black x white, going blouse less,
etc) but that's even more information to dig through, making it even less likely that newbs will actually read it.

>>10458967
I'm hoping for that one new social media site to take off (I don't remember the name of it but apparently it's a cross between Tumblr and LJ?) but honestly, it feels like the last remaining community will be... here. cgl is one of the last places I see any sort of discussion happening.

can i get some advice from 'lifestyle' lolitas? I've been wanting to start wearing it daily but with covid i've realised that nothing in my wardrobe classes as 'comfy'
So what do you wear aside from the obvious cutsew and skirt combo? especially when running errands and carrying grocery bags

>>10458967
It's not an actual bet because I don't think it'll happen but
I wish we would just have a good self-post thread and a daily coords thread, no names, no blogs or further communication, just photography

>>10459000
Easy, stop thinking of "comfy" as anything you wear outside of home. The more you wear it, the more comfortable it becomes.
Think about it, people weren't working and doing errands in tshirts and sweats in the past.

>>10459000
Cardigans, socks not stockings, pretty headbands
And a comfy petticoat is a must, definitely reccomend getting that custom made, bunnyhouse is the best imo, I have four, they're all dense and voluminous, none of them have deflated after washing, including my first two from 2015, I think they're excellent for daily because you only need one to get a ton of poof

>>10459001
It would be nice, but 4chan is too frowned upon and for good reason, so I guess a lot of lolitas, myself included, wouldn’t be comfortable about publicly posting here.

>>10458967
I can’t see anyone going through the trouble of creating a new plataform. There’s a chance there will be a successful discord group, but that’s it.

>>10458976
Community has the ability to call new people to the fashion, it would be nice for lolita to be more popular desu

>>10459003
This is sort of true but also I get where anon is coming from. If you are used to OTT meetup frills every day lolita can be a change. And sure, you could wear a hime blouse and seven hair accessories every day but I sure as shit don’t

>>10459000
Solids and basic patterned jsks are my favorite, especially paired with complimentary blouses or cardigans in non neutral colors + jewelry and socks that pull in both colors (think pink jsk, mint blouse, pink x mint socks and accessories). Still pretty casual but has a bit of flair.

>>10459005
Fair, but that just makes me remember I'm some kind of hypocrite for being willing to post anonymously
Let me remodel that; I wish there were a vaguely 2ch-like site where the board culture was female and lolita fashion-centric, where we could have a good self-post and today's outfit thread

>>10459003
by 'comfy' i mean like, easy to slouch around in, get dirty with easy washing, not have to worry about catching it on things, that kind of comfy!
I have in my head that lolita = decked out, beautiful coords and i wanna explore more toned down casual outfits but still be cute
>>10459004
i'm in the process of making my own petti atm as the 3 I have just dont give me the poof i want without stacking them, but this is great advice regardless!

>>10459009
i think solid pieces are something i really need to invest in. I started my wardrobe at the start of this year and focused so much on getting my dream sweet prints i completely neglected any cute solid pieces.
I have a lot of pink x mint items so i'll actually take your example and play with it! Thank you!

>>10459017
Yeah to be honest I did the same until I got couple of nice solids and now it’s all I buy. Patterns like floral, tartan, dots, etc go really far too for some mild spice

>>10459017
Man, solids are the best. The styling options are amazing.

>>10458016
>CSA is unfortunately way more common than people realize
>their experiences weren't normal
Make up your mind.

>>10459030
I mean bulimia is more common than I though but I wouldn’t call it normal. Use your brain

>>10458815
>the random line of trim in the upper part of the skirt
>>10458853
>that random line in the middle of the skirt
I *think* it's supposed to suggest a peplum, some sort of skeuomorph or just a cheaper way to imitate that look.

>>10459010
That was kind of Crystal Cafe's purpose originally, although it's filled with discord trannies now. I agree though, that would be so cozy.

>>10459035
we can still take it back.

>>10459036
fighting trannies is useless, that's why no one meets up irl anymore

>>10459041
>trannies colonize and ruin IRL meets
>trannies colonize and ruin online comms
I feel like there's some sort of common denominator here but I can't put my finger on it...

>>10459041
I don’t think that’s why no one meets up irl anymore...

>>10459055
lmfao, before corona too

>>10459049
anon, are you saying men ruin things that were clearly supposed to be for women?
oh you weren't saying that, I'm just projecting?
well, I like your take, anyway

>>10459060
Frankly I'm not cool with blaming men in general for trannies, firstly because it's dangerously close to scroteposting and secondly because men buy into trans shit much less than we do. Dumb liberal bitches virtue signalling are the ones who fucked up the social climate on this so that you can't eject trannies without being brigaded to hell.

>>10459030
You're a dumbass. It's obviously not a normal childhood experience but it happens more than people want to admit or talk about.

>>10459061
disagree, the creeps who show up to lolita meets /are/ scrotes; I'm not talking about your aunt's friend Miss Bob who's been wearing dresses since it was illegal, you know the ones I mean
Agree on turboliberal women though, they're the worst ones about it irl especially

>>10459063
>"that's dangerously close to scroteposting"
>unironically scroteposts in response
Way to miss the point with 100% completion, anon, you get the cheevo.

I'm gonna give explaining it one try though, one. I said I don't like blaming men generally for the creeps because most men hate those creeps with the fury of a thousand suns. Dismissing tranny colonists as "buh typical scrote behavior" completely skips over the fact that most "scrotes" regard their behavior as much more repugnant than women in general do. It's just idiot femcel whining, literally robot tier shit.

>>10459061
There's a reason you see a lot more transwomen than transmen. It's men who are the trannies so it makes sense to assign some blame onto them and the rest to the handmaiden women who worship them

>>10459071
We can have different opinions on men, it's not that big of a deal

>>10459015
>i'm in the process of making my own petti atm
Even better, best way to get the fit

>>10458895
I've been here checking multiple times daily since 2013 and I grow weary of
>ugly
>fat
>manface
>ita

>>10458895
A daily-egl thread would be better but the mods throw a hissy fit whenever they see one

>>10459079
thats exactly why i'm making one, i dont have to worry about elastic being too tight and i can control the poof as i need it

do we want another CoF thread

>>10459017
Just wear your sweet prints out. If wearing it feels uncomfortable, then the problem is sizing. I dress almost the same as I do for meets. Treat them like normal clothes. Almost no one in my comm wears OTT, so I don't get why you think lolita has to be super costumey.
What are you doing in your daytime that causes you to get dirty and mess up your clothes every day? Think about wearing it logically. No one goes to the gym in lolita.

>>10459099
wearing isn't the problem, i'm talking about wanting some more casual items to wear for just sitting in the house, or cooking.
Preferably, i'd like some suggestions, instead of just being told to 'wear my clothes' everyone with a normie wardrobe has clothes they wear at home and then some they wear out, maybe I don't want to wear my romantic rose letter op to the corner store lmao

>>10459094
No. More ita threads

>>10459094
No. It's always shit.

>>10459102
You got a lot of good advice already though. Focus on solids or more toned down prints such as florals and tartans. Buy more cutsews and skirts. Choose comfier materials and cuts such as cotton and (dare I say it, lest the titty monsters come out screaming) sack OPs.

>>10459102
Don't you own any JSKs or skirts? Wear a cutsew/bolero/cardigan and comfy socks.

>>10459110
>posts gal/himekaji item from 8 years ago

>>10459117
please god in heaven not you again
go burn down a consignment shop or something

>>10459090
Why would it be better? Anons will just comment the same boring shit.

VM is releasing this new Lady Lace Dress tomorrow. Pink, red, navy and black

>>10459000
There have been some good casual wardrobes posted in the capsule wardrobe thread before, maybe someone can re-post them there or look up the older threads

VM - Lady Lace OP (レディレースドレス)
>Price: 30,800 yen (tax incl.)

Colours:
>Black (ブラック)
>Bordeaux (ボルドー)
>Cameo Rose(カメオローズ)
>Navy (ネイビー)

Outer material: 66% rayon, 34% nylon
Lining: 100% polyester

Length: 106.5 cm
Shoulder width: 33.5 cm
Sleeve length: 40 cm
Cuffs: 27 cm
Bust: 90 cm
Waist: 72 cm

>http://www.victorianmaiden.jp/SHOP/203MOP20.html
Note: There are seam pockets on both sides.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Release date: 20th August 2020, 12:00 JST

>>10459162
Ah you beat me to it

>>10459168
I should have waited, your posts are always so nicely compiled!

I really like this op though, it looks so easy to wear. I’d be tempted but I want to wait for the other upcoming releases

>>10456227
Does anyone know what other colors this is gonna come in?

>>10459000
Jsk and cardigan. Any print looks nice and casual non lolita with a complementary cardigan

>>10459000

Comfy is easy. AP makes cutsew dresses every year, even some with prints. The actual trouble is snagging the colourway when it's released, cos the secondhand market never seems to have decent black cutsew dresses.

For slouching at home, have somewhere to hang your petti (and bloomers, if you feel uncomfortable with them on). It's easier to slouch in just the skirt/dress than with the petti on. Put it back on when you're going out.

For prints, it's the cut that matters, especially burando prints. eg-btssb primavera is a solid dress and really not something you can tone down. On the other side, IW always has simple cuts for their prints that you can just pair with a cutsew, bolero or cardigan. AP always has special sets with much simpler cuts and every summer they make some of their stuff in casual cuts that's easy to wear and slouch in.

(taobao/indies I can't promise that the print itself isn't garishly attention-seeking)

Once you have dresses with simple cuts, it's usually simple enough to pair them with a cutsew, cardigan or bolero and just stop there rather than piling on a peignoir and whatever.

This part though >>10459015
>get dirty with easy washing, not have to worry about catching it on things

Look, even normie clothes don't have this kind of superpower, unless you wear a construction tarp. You can get an apron (functional) to minimise splashing/stains on your dress.

There's a few points you can keep in mind.
- chiffon is always delicate, regardless of everything else stated below.
- polyester stains less easily and doesn't need ironing, so it's the laundry fuss-free option. you can pair a polyester jsk with a cutsew/knit material for better comfort.
- brand prints penetrate deeper into the fabric, so damages show up less prominently
- the hardiest lolita fabric is polyester twill, usually it shows up in gothic brands for winter as it's quite heavy. Boz, Moitie and sometimes IW are your best bets for them.

>>10459117
Dreamv still sells shit like this if you are patient enough to comb through their 2000 normie items

>>10457064

My order arrived today. Looking forward to see all the updates about people receiving theirs. Wonder if anybody will have anything to say about the state of the Gravelvet stuff.

>>10459215
What did you get? Can we have a mini-review? I really want one of their skirts but the cut looked a bit weird in a couple of the stock photos.

Is anyone interested in another handmade lolita thread? I really liked the last one (even though there were some questionable things) and wouldn’t mind starting a new one for discussion

>>10458998
most generals on other boards have a sticky with a guide, so not having one here makes people assume there is no up-to-date guide available, otherwise it would of course be here. so the jfashion stupid questions thread becomes the stand-in for a guide, which is even worse because if you don't know what all to ask you will surely miss some things. i absolutely recommend that the old guide should be linked in the OP of every general and/or stupid questions thread, even if with a disclaimer sentence after it. even the yumekawaii thread at least has some links at the top. lolita general not having any is pretty weird.

>>10459094
can we get one that just has only the better half of the coords. the rest are in the ita thread anyway. or bring the weibo thread back.

>>10459202
This was really wonderful advice anon, thank you!!!

>>10459090
Is daily-egl coords really better? I got out of the group when it was beginning because there was many itas for such a small amount of posts.

What are your opinions on dead brands replicas? It isn’t as if buying them would harm the designers, but it still feels wrong.

>>10459273
It's wrong because you're stealing someone else's work.

>>10459273
the replica-makers don't sell exclusively dead-brand replicas, so you're supporting their business of ripping off live brands too.

>>10459273
I would be against it because it funds and encourages replica-makers.

Also if I was a designer I would be very bitter if I went out of business because nobody was buying my clothes but then saw people wearing knock offs after the fact (of course not all defunct brands went bankrupt but still)

>>10459108
>>10459249
but aren't the ita coords the best part?

>>10459289
having them both in the cof thread and the ita thread is redundant

>>10459289
It doesn't matter whether the coords are good or bad. It always devolves into shitflinging because gulls can't control their petty jealousy.

>>10459290
Filtering what gets posted means we are subject to the tastes of the dumper, plus it makes it confusing as hell to pick up where the previous person left off

>>10459273
Considering the brand is probably dead in part because of the replicas... No?

>>10459273
monetary harm has barely been the issue with this. it's trashy to buy bootleg shit full stop.

>>10459273
Why do I feel like this is for RRM?

>>10459223
Yeah, those are my favorite threads

>>10459273
It’s just flat-out wrong. An original will crop up somewhere on Lacemarket or Fril or Wunderwelt eventually

>>10459094
Yes, I’ll be damned if I have to make a FB account to see everyone’s coords

>>10459367
Name one brand that died specifically because of replica dresses and where that was stated.

>>10459528
Mary Magdalene

>>10459529
Wrong. There's no proof. They died from their size offerings being too small for most people.

>>10459273
It's only acceptable if the replica is of better quality/uses better materials than the original, i.e. never.

>>10459530
>There is no proof someone else making the same things for less killed them
>Clearly they died because they did not make clothing for landwhales
>No, I have no proof either
Ok

>>10459530
I’m not saying that they died because of replicas, but I also don’t believe they died because of sizing and think you should also be providing some evidence to your claims

>>10459559
>>10459576
There's no official word on what killed them. But if replicas killed brands, AP would be dead several times over by now, so that is extremely unlikely.

>>10459580
>she thinks AP isn't suffering
>in 2020
>when AP has been clearly cost cutting and trying to market to a chinese audience
hmmmmm.

also you're completely talking out of your ass. of course replicas can kill brands because they are competition. and competition kills other competition, that's just economics. the competition being a cheaper version of the original product just means that the market is going to be exactly the same, but that doesn't change the basic fact that it's still a competing company.

>>10459582
>thinks nearly all products selling out in minutes = suffering
>thinks catering to the market with the largest purchasing power = suffering rather than a smart business move to increase profits
Very big brained.

>of course replicas can kill brands
Proof? No? Ok.

>>10459587
There’s no proof that replicas might be the sole reason behind any company being shut down, but it surely harms them if people who could’ve bought their products simply opt for the cheaper version. You don’t need to do a research to prove that, it’s basic logic.

>>10459590
why are you arguing with a troll? she's not even actually listening.

Update on Devilinspired's attempt at making their own dresses. This doesn't look much like the concept art at all. I was really rooting for them but this looks like a dud.

>>10459599
this is everything wrong with modern hanfu and modern lolita rolled into one fucking mess.

>>10459600
They're asking for feedback but all they are getting is praise which is only going to lead them to believe this actually looks good.

>>10459599
This doesn't even look like lolita

>>10459587
> basic economics? What is that?!!! Muh proof!

Do you also ask people to prove that gravity causes apples to fall from trees?

You don't need to prove what should be a basic grasp on cause and effect, it's common sense you dipshit.

Please go away for the last time CCP anon.

>>10459624
don't be so hard on them, they need to raise their social credit score

>>10459635
Ugh you're right nvm I respect the social credit score grind

>>10459599
This is so ugly holy shit

>>10459599
The pearls remind me of dandruff

>>10458895
Cof is depressing

>>10459599
I admit my elderly status bias, but this doesn't look that much worse than most current taobao shit
It looks like they picked the worst current styles/trends and put them together

>>10459184
>I’d be tempted but I want to wait for the other upcoming releases
Same, I'm holding out for >>10456227
At least it looks like the Lady Lace OP is doing well. Other than the black colourway, everything else is sold out.

>>10459559
>Landwhales

I bought a couple MM dresses because my bust and waist were well under the max and I couldn't zip them up because my shoulders were too big. It's a petite only brand, they didn't make anything for the average western frame. You need to be petite all over, not just thin to wear it

>>10459682
There are other issues with MM beyond fit. Releasing the same 4 dresses on repeat for decades with not new fabric colors as variation, lack of appealing to Chinese taste, rumored internal issues... speculation on any one thing that ‘killed’ them will always be wrong because it’s probably many factors

>>10459530
I've heard there was some dispute between the designer and the owner of the brand and it's difficult to keep the clothing being produced in Japan due to dying sewing workshops and general supply shortages in Japan. They actually couldn't keep up with the amount of orders.

>>10459686
With only new*

>>10459599
Wait is this supposed to be the same dress?

>>10459690
Yup

>>10459690
>>10459691
my brain hurts.

>>10459690
>>10459599
it's dumb bitch hours, my dudes

>>10459599
gotta wonder why anyone would buy this when they could just put any dress they already own through a paper shredder for the same effect

>>10459718
>>10459715
im bout to be stylin on you bitches in my kawaii head n shoulders witch coord for halloween

>>10459687
Didn’t someone in a RC thread recently say the owner was in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old

>>10459723
What's wrong with that? 16 is legal in the entire civilized world, they can make their own decisions.

>>10459726
wtf

>>10459726
Ever heard of having morals, anon?
It might be legal in some countries but it doesn’t mean it’s not gross and weird for an adult to date a high school aged child.

>>10459690
It's supposed to be this dress.

>>10459723

It was based on a cgl post by someone who claimed to be Japanese. No proof. Not saying it is not possible, but I'm not going to believe some random anon without at least a screen grab.

>>10459715
I feel this

>>10459737
This makes much more sense

>>10459682
My shoulders are considerably big, I’m thin, but not the hyper petit type of thin and I fit my MM op’s fine.

>>10459751
A lot depends on height. I’d have to cut off my arms to fit MM even if I was under weight.

>>10459740
That’s interesting because iirc on the RC thread she didn’t give any details, just dropped that comment on MM and said Isobe was a creep.
If it originated on cgl I’m a lot less interested

>>10459755
Pretty average height 1,63cm, maybe it has something to do with having small tits. I know they didn’t have an inclusive size chart, but it wasn’t absurd enough that only super petit girls fitted and it made the brand die.

I have the same issues with fitting MM and IW, but no one is saying that IW problem is their sizes.

>>10459528

The Putumayo window skirt comes to mind. There's newbies out there who legit think the replica is the original and have never heard of Putumayo....and this was way back in 2013. No wonder the brand up and closed.

>>10459775
IW is huge compared to MM what are you smoking

>>10459779
To be fair, Putumayo’s core style just was not trendy for a long time.

>>10459726
oh fuck off, pedo. scrotes shouldn't even be in this thread.

>>10459779
that's not a lolita brand and where did they say they closed because of a replica of literally one thing?

New thread: >>10459936

>>10459840

Putumayo re-released it, and someone posted it to egl as a replica. That's pretty much a story all on its own...

>>10460203
That didn’t answer their question at all

New new thread: >>10461271

>>10459726
The designer was his wife so it is a double fuck you to her