/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I don't think there will be a lot of developments until after the olympics, considering both it and corona are still killing off brands.

>Will masks as coord accessories continue in the West?
I hope so. Even if not, I enjoy using them for the sake of anonymity and not having to do makeup as much.

>>10449782
Same, I'm a total convert. I've always felt like the lower half of my face lets me down so masks are kind of ideal.

>Will Virgin Mary crowns finally fade into obscurity?

Please god I am praying for this with every fibre of my being.

>>10449931

I was unaware that people besides mostly itas still even wore the Madonna crowns

>>10449948
It is nearly 100% itas, but there are still more holdouts than you'd think. It's admittedly been a month or two since I checked the #eglcommunity tag on Insta but I always see a few whenever I do.

>>10449953
The only acceptable Madonna crowns are the voodooodolly ones, the BBQ skewer ones need to be eradicated from this earth.

>>10449730

Styles from Ozz on seem to be on the rise in the Chinese community. Not sure if it'll spread into the west but man

>>10449980
That's really cool, I love Ozz on and I didn't know that.
A lot of their pieces don't seem like they mesh with lolita that well, though. That being said, I'm all for trends that encourage experimenting with the style.

Similarly, I hope that lesser known Japanese brands will gain a bit of presence in the western lolita community. A lot of more obscure brands are also more casual and experimental, and having these more commonly worn might also lead to more variety in the styles of lolita that are popular here.

I think the dark girly/neo romantic trend will still go on for a while, considering Larme is also relaunching in that style later this year.

Newlita here. I don't have much historical information on lolita trends so of course correct me if in wrong in the following;

I've seen some posts about how japanese fashion brands are dying due to fast fashion first and now Covid is hitting them pretty hard as well. People resigning from the industry and whatnot. On the other side, chinese lolita brands seems to be more easily available, cheaper, and has more of a variety compared to the main japanese brands. This is just from my recent perspective but the recent products that JP brands have released LOOKS cheaper and less appealing than what chinese brands are doing now. So as for the future of jfashion, it looks like it will die in favor of Chinese fashion. Either that, or jfashion adapts, but I understand it's harder right now.

fingers crossed for a dolly kei revival

>i know its not going to happen
>let me dream

>>10450053
Let's bring it back anon, me and you.

>>10449958
I’m even sick of the VDD ones

>>10449730
With cottage core being very popular, I think Classic Lolita will make a comeback. Brands like IW and VM will be highly sought after.

>>10450070
This is already happening. VM pieces that used to sell for $60-80 are now going for $200+, but mostly on the japanese market.

>>10450027
Chinese brands are focused on better photo ops, but the real physical quality is usually lesser.

You can even tell this in the way they show the models. Chinese brands feature heavily altered model faces, looking almost identical. Japanese brands don't really do that (except Mana). This video on an Innocent World photo shoot really made me appreciate that little detail. They show how the models pose, slight edits, but you can really tell everything in their photos is real, the models are actually that pretty, the clothes are actually that flattering, etc. Skip to around 3:30 to see the photography and editing being shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6Fc97Sz7tU

>>10450070

It is already, but mostly in Japan. Lots of historical influences as well, and some classic lolitas are dabbling in Western historical costuming.

>TFW you will never have a lolita comm that can do an entire group meet in rococo bouquet

>>10450104
You never know. I find that when someone makes a themed event in my comm, people tend to get quite excited to follow the theme. Especially if announced months in advance. If you float the idea, and create the event over 3 months in advance that will give a lot of comm members the chance to buy full coords for the occasion. I'm a sweet lolita but would jump at the chance for a full OTT rococo event.

Going off >>10450070, I predict IW will indeed close setting off the increased rarity of their pieces. We will once again see Lotta and Rabbit Letter at $700+. OTT Classic will come back mixed with mori and dolly kei.

>>10450027
Bingo. The brands that China doesn't favor will close and Chinese brands will rise in their place. Lolita will become primarily a Chinese fashion, not a Japanese one, as even the few Japanese brands left will cater to China. /cgl/ is going to rage about it constantly.

>>10450112
I don't think so. Japanese lolitas are complaining their favorite brands are looking too similar to Chinese brands.

Not to mention that Chinese lolitas prefer Japanese items for the implication of status.

>>10450118
>Chinese lolitas prefer Japanese items
They like AP, Baby, and JetJ specifically. That's pretty much it. Otherwise they buy Taobao brands rather than VM/IW/whatever. Those brands will slowly die off.

>>10450122

Nah they love them their status VM pieces. I've been in really ugly bidding battles with a few of them and I see them wearing it on SM too. Also pink house. They're a smaller group but they're definitely still having an effect on secondhand prices.

>>10450123
Where are you seeing that? I'm on Weibo and seeing VM/IW is extremely rare.

>>10450106
It’s a Vm print, not a generic theme. At least use lolibrary to learn common prints in other styles when talking about them.

Anyways Chinese quality is still shit so it’s naive to think they will beat Japanese brands. Outside of cgl whining the quality of brands isn’t dying, you just don’t like the fact that poly is superior as it’s easy to wear

>>10450100
Not that I don't agree, but I was mainly talking about the clothes than the girls. I don't have any Japanese brand pieces yet simply because the newer stuff doesn't appeal to me and I haven't found the past dresses I want on secondhand market yet. The quality of the dresses I do own seems nice and comfortable with fun details in the lace, and nice embroidery, and when looking at a close up images of some JP brand dresses, the materials look like something I could buy from Walmart. I do like the older JP stuff a whole lot more but something like pic related is dull and uninspired to me.

>>10450139
>implying chinese lolitas care about quality

>>10450139
I mean not if you're one of those people who just melt into puddles of sweat

>>10450139
Poly is much harder for some people to wear. I hate the weird scratchy sound cheap poly dresses make, the way AP poly is disgustingly shiny, the way it seems to get runs in the fabric faster than cotton, the less refined droopy garbage bag shape, etc.

Poly can be good and has been done well by brand a lot aesthetically and comfort wise. AP in particular is just choosing poor quality poly to appeal to Chinese girls' poor taste and save a few bucks.

>>10450149
Pretty sure that lace is just starched to high hell, not the plastic shit you can find at Walmart.

>>10449730
I talked with guy working in public health and he doesn’t see a future where face masks will go away once we have a vaccine. They received a white paper from Accenture on the long term benefits of masking. They’re going to be required to be worn on transportation, on flights, and in sports stadiums. There’s too much of a risk of humans going around and spreading the flu, measles, colds, and novel diseases to people with weaker immune systems and to overall reduce health expenditures. It will be treated as putting pants from now on. You won’t be able to enter a store without one. Worse, they want to employ facial recognition masking can be enforced and you’ll be fined with money deducted from your bank account.

>>10450185
I hope it's at least true that masks will become more acceptable. I've always wanted to wear a mask at my workplace (involves kids) during winter but it was specifically disallowed, which resulted in me getting cold, flu, bronchitis, all kinds of things every year. It would be so fucking nice to have that right in the future even with a vaccine.

>>10450185
why go through all this effort and then contradict yourself at the end.

>>10450131

Again it's not big but I see a trend of Chinese and Chinese expatriates on my IG tags for VM and iw. I once shared a list on IG but they buy a significant number of classic dresses. They're definitely still more into the "atmosphere" aspect rather than the OOTD aspect of the fashion, which is interesting and not necessarily bad.

>>10450149
>don't have any Japanese brand pieces
>something I could buy from Walmart
This is the ideal lolita lace. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>10449931
>I've always felt like the lower half of my face lets me down so masks are kind of ideal.
Mask + cute sunglasses is like a face sticker for RL and I am never going back

>>10450149
>I dont have any brand pieces
Yeah, that explains a lot. Trust me, even the new stuff looks way better in person. Baby is shit at photos and Meta is worse, I can say from personal experience based on dresses that came in the last few weeks.

Taobao on the other hand usually disappoints me because they photoshop to hell and back and you wind up with a threadbare trashbag when it arrives.

Also, if AP’s numbers from 2019 are any indication, the bigger Japanese brands are doing great. You forget, Chinese lolitas love brand,

>>10450149
Damn what Walmart are you shopping at

>>10450149
Not to be mean, but if you can’t tell the difference between this and shit tier raschel then you should probably spend more time lurking

Also, it could be that you just don’t like toned down and/or old school lolita. It’s still pretty trendy right now, but as OTT sweet becomes big it will (sadly) die off.

>>10450149
I wonder if you're the same retard from the proto thread

>>10450236
>recommending meta
opinion discarded. even cheap ass taobao looks better than ugly ass meta lmao

>>10450252
that thread is trash tho so who cares?

>>10450256
>I saw old lolitas meme about decade old meta dresses
>can I be a cool kid now mommy?

>>10450256
Anon, post a dress meta released in the last year. For science.

>>10450260
>>10450263
>trying to act like new meta is any less ugly than old meta
if you genuinely can't see that this looks like shit, no one can help you. most taobao looks lightyears better than this hideous sack of fabric

>>10450268
Damn I must have imagined this

>>10450270
And this

>>10450271
This was a bizarre fever dream

>>10450270
>>10450271
>>10450273
you can get dresses that look exactly like these on taobao for way cheaper lmao. these are plain af. brands only have the advantage with print dresses, of which nearly all the meta ones are fucking hideous. there's a reason even chinese lolitas don't care about meta. deal

>>10450274
Oh no, are you the “I’ve never owned brand” kid?

Hon, there’s more to brand than prints.

>>10450274
Please post all these Taobao brands. All the Taobao I see is tacky shit, I’d love to buy some cheap cute stuff to wear around town.

>>10450276
nope, i'm an apfag. sorry about your shitty meme brand

>>10450278
I still got soft cotton and dresses with seems that match and you have *checks AP* rockabilly disasters

>>10450278
Explains why you like polyester trash bags.

>>10450277
henrietta, yolanda, hinana queena, etc. seriously if you're looking for plain ass dresses, taobao has a million choices. they only fail at prints

>>10450279
>>10450280
kek i look forward to your ugly brand dying within the next few years since chinese overlords don't like it

>>10450252
No, I don't even like old school let alone proto.
>>10450236
I don't doubt it, I still want JP brand but as I said, the prints and dresses that have attracted me are from times long past and I have to wait until they pop up secondhand. The dresses I see out now just don't appeal to me as much as some of the taobao indie stuff or old JP brand dresses. Like that recent blue dress AP came out with. Maybe it has great material, maybe it doesn't, but it looked like something from Wish and the material looked far too shiny for my liking.
>>10450236
I probably don't know any better, but out of the pieces I have purchased, only one has disappointed me with it's quality. The others have had designs in the lace that matches the print, a subtle sparkling on the fabric I didn't notice until I look at it closely in the light, and the art on the print itself having cute details I can't help but stare at to find more.

As for brands dying, it's just from talk I've seen lurking around. If they're doing good then great, I hope they stay alive. I'm not saying chinese is better, just it appears that they may be upstaging JP in terms of price and availability.

>>10450285
It’s okay bby. AP will release something decent one day maybe

>>10450274
Yeah they may look similar but the quality isn't the same. Someone did a comparison of the btssb babydoll jsk replica on taobao with the real one, the replica was made with strange fabric and had shoddy tailoring in some parts.

It may look similar in photos, but it sure won't feel the same. Guess it won't matter to you if you're just using it for shoots though.

>>10450285
I own pieces from those brands and they're nowhere as good as my meta and VM solids.

>>10450287
AP and maybe Baby are the only ones "doing great." IW is dying, VM almost died recently, and Moitie seemed to be having trouble for a while there too. I wouldn't be surprised if Meta was struggling as well. Their dresses stay in stock for a very long time.

>>10450287
Most lolita dresses have details that superficially look nice, but the quality of the materials is also important. Was the lace soft or scratchy? Was the embroidery fraying? We’re the seams straight and secure? Was the dress cheap polyester or nice poly/cotton? Was the print all the way through to dress or just on the surface so that when it inevitably wears it will come off? These are just a few of the issues I’ve seen on a lot of the taobao I’ve encountered.

Good Chinese brand exists, but it’s just as limited and expensive as Japanese or Korean brand

>>10450293
VM has been almost dying since 2012, that’s hardly a good example. Shame about IW though.

Meta’s better releases sold out of popular color ways instantly this year so I wouldn’t stress about them. They seem to stock differently with the whole “Basics” line and have always had a few pieces stay up.

>>10450287
We already know brands are shifting their production to other countries.

>>10450285
This is the most conlita post I have ever read

>>10450299
wear it every weekend, but keep projecting kek

>>10450301
Do you... actually wear all those Taobao solids? Or are you that useless that you haven’t noticed the difference in quality? Do you not care?

Or fuck maybe AP has gotten that bad and that’s your comparison point. I own one dress from them and it’s from 2010 so who knows. If so, damn I’m sorry man

ITT

22 year old virgin, 150K NW, how much $$ to fuck a hot cosplayer?

>>10450313
>150k nw
Congrats, I have a 401k too

>>10450306
Every time someone recommends taobao over brand i just strike them off as an instant babylita.
You'd know the difference once you own quality items.

>>10450440
Do you own any newer AP? I wouldn't say it's too much better than higher level Taobao at this point.

>>10450440
If you're saying this, you've probably never touched high quality taobao items. I'm not talking about those $30 USD dresses. There are higher end taobao brands that produce quality pieces that are honestly not that far off from the quality of Japanese brands. I own both and alternate between both.

I think the definition of what is lolita will shift a lot. The traditional silhouette seems to be getting abandoned, with brands releasing a lot of tea length dresses or just low poof dresses in general. Then you have AP modelling their dresses without blouses too.

>>10450473
Depends on what you buy from AP, their solids are still pretty good. I avoid their newer polyester releases, but even honey cake has some nice details like good quality custom lace that taobao brands don't have.

>>10450477
I only own Krad Lanrete, Henrietta, Surface spell and other "higher priced" taobao items. I don't bother with the cheaper brands. Even then I've found that the quality wasn't as good as brand.

Specifically the materials and lace used, they still feel cheaper than the brand items I have.
Caveat- IW quality has gone to shit, so it's about the same as taobao now. But the lace they use is still really beautiful, so yes there's still a difference.

>>10450239
This is what I mean by Walmart looking lace. Of course it's not the exact same lace but on first glance, it just reminds me of Walmart when in comparison to other lace I see with actual designs. I know not all JP brand is like this, it's just the recent ones I've been browsing through.

>>10450485

can you shut the fuck up? you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

>>10450485
They may look the same to the untrained eye but they're definitely different.
Buy burando secondhand if it's all you can afford, feel the lace and go check out the lace at Walmart.
Then you'd know how much of an idiot you were.

>>10450482

.....Those were always there, though? IW and AatP have always rocked longer cuts, Btssb always had lower poof dresses (babydoll, karami jsk), VM has always had their mermaid skirt since maybe a decade ago. GLB had btssb ads with girls in spaghetti strap cutsews for summer.

I'd say for sweet lolita, AP going close to Larme and then ending up with reverse-loliables might be new, but that's pretty much what AP does anyway, they were crossing fairy kei and himegyaru back when it was trending, too.

>>10450291
Same. I really tried to give Taobao solids a try as a classic lolita but I just couldn’t stand their quality for daily wear. I haven’t bought from IW recently so I can’t compare but anyone who says anything from Taobao brands is on par with older Japanese brand releases is talking out of their ass.

>>10450149
>I don't have any Japanese brand pieces yet simply because the newer stuff doesn't appeal to me
Why are you here?
>the materials look like something I could buy from Walmart
Poorfag attitude won’t help you build a wardrobe

>>10450149
>>10450149
Bitch you better not be hating on Baby's bobbin lace or I'm making bobbins out of your ribcage.

>>10450509
I have bought IW about twice a year the past 5 years. The past two years haven't been great, the decline is not steady though. There are occasionally nice cotton releases still. But nothing is as nice as the old secondhand IW from 10 years ago

>>10450567
Double post but yeah IW is nothing like taobao. I've bought a decent amount from tb and the cuts, fabric, and trims are consistently worse than the worst IW. IW has high quality in everything besides compared to how much better it used to be. AATP is the fabric and finishing that's disappointing me most lately

>>10450053
We can do it if we rode on the cottage core trend and convert those people into Dolly Kei, anons. Let's bring back the best jfashion.

>>10450491
I say we stop replying to this retard. It makes them feel like their opinion matters when they're most definitely a larper or ita at best

>>10450271
This was my first brand piece after owning 4 taobao dresses. The quality is insaneeee and the fabric is so much softer and nicer than anything else in my closet

>>10450580
Would only work if there was a current brand list for it, even Grimoire moved away from it and is mainly doing...weddings stuff now.

>>10450522
>Why are you here?
NTA but a person doesn't have to be into lackluster newer pieces to be a lolita.

So question: are there GOOD taobao brands? I haven’t bought from taobao but I swear I see those prices creeping up steadily to Japanese brand prices. Is there a justified increase in quality to go with it or are they just trying to line their pockets with that Chinese lolita cash?

>>10450640
I really like Lyre-Ivy. I bought a dress from them recently and it feels like quality poly and it has some weight to it. It’s expensive compared to other Taobao brands, but not overly so. I paid $115 for the dress and two berets with shipping included. Granted I bought it from Taobao myself as opposed to using a shopping service which would have cost a lot more.

>>10450640
I really like Dear Celine and find their quality comparable to some of my brand pieces. Pumpkin Cat is also good, although some of their pieces are a little cheap looking in their construction and cut- but their print quality is super bright and clear. Their prints on polyester are actually CLEARER than some AP prints on polyester.

>>10450640
I don't actually own any Classical Puppets stuff, but I see even Japanese lolitas wearing their dresses, so one assumes they're pretty good.

>>10450652
Pumpkin cat have brilliant coats too. Probably the only taobao clothing item I have ever decided to keep.

>>10450640
if you like ott classic, elpress is gorgeous

>>10450640

Surface spell - good details, lovely pintucks, lace could be better as with all the brands but pretty decent for the price. That being said their natural kei ish stuff is not as good as pink house which you can get for a fraction of the price on closet child
Amastacia - close attention to fabric and details, pretty lovely for the price.
Lead lanrete - only their earlier stuff really. Their later releases are more plasticky and thinner
Akane Alois - uses a lot of natural fibres including linen and cotton, so it's a very nice feeling. But fabric tends to be thinner than brand.
Dear Celine - pretty good blouses but lace can look off sometimes. The ruffles are really nice though. I have to say I'm not a huge fan of their main pieces which are poly and can fall pretty weirdly on me.

>>10450671

Mfw phone posting

>TB instead of the
>Krad

>>10450268
fuck off tasteless goblin

and here we have another jfash thread ruined by lolitas fighting each other as usual

>What styles will make a comeback?
Larme (not that it ever really left) and fairy kei. I think people are really longing for some escapism right now and fairy kei has been dead long enough that it stands a good chance of coming back. Both of these will definitely be incorporated into new releases by lolita brands. Neo-romantic/larme style will be shoehorned even into JetJ and MMM.
>What styles would you like to see become popular?
I agree with other posters that it would be really great if dolly kei came back and was incorporated into lolita. I think mori kei and other natural fashions also have a good shot at a comeback.
>Will masks as coord accessories continue in the West?
I think it's likely, especially not just for lolita, but for fashion in general. It's one of the few good things to come out of the pandemic imo.
>Will sweet lolita continue to see the 2010-era AP resurgence or move onto another trend?
Yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if VM style classic takes off in the west as well. I think toned down styles and gothic will lose some steam, since people will have fewer opportunities to wear lolita out they will want to wear more elaborate and eye catching outfits when they do wear it.
Also, I think that as Japanese brands struggle to maintain their market share, non taobao-chans will look more at brands in other countries, especially Korean brands.

>>10450682
this thread was shit to begin with.

>>10450680
this is tacky af, anon. at least the other anon gave some better examples.

>>10450682
Any time anyone so much as mention Chinese brands, /cgl/ froths at the mouth and goes apeshit. Facebook groups are like that too. It's amazing how many people can't accept that people might like different things than they do.

>>10450680
holy SHIT I need that
>>10450690
I am other anon and that dress is beautiful. With meta you need to your third eye and imagine what it looks like past the terribad stock photos

>>10450602
So, what pieces do you own, my dear? Or, just maybe, are you for some reason trying to make it look like you're into j-fashion because someone's watching you?

>>10450829
I’m just choosing to admit that the new batch of lolitas came in through lor/during the OTT revival. We are getting a second wave of “BtSSB Baby Doll is boring and ita” and there is no stopping that train. I’ll just let them fight over their plastic rings and poly rereleases while the good stuff gets cheap again.

>>10450832

>>10450829
>are you for some reason trying to make it look like you're into j-fashion because someone's watching you?
wut

When people here mention taobao lolita, are they thinking of $30 and $50 dresses? I've been paying $150-$250 for mine.

>>10450858
a lot of people may not be, but i am generally comparing nice tb with nice jp brand. i don't think good quality tb is that much worse but jp brand has those little touches and details that most tb brands don't.

>>10450858
Yep. There's literally hundreds of Taobao brands with varying quality, including cotton dresses with nice lace. But elitist anons wanna act like it's all $30 Diamond Honey trashbags.

>>10450863
Point out that brand has better quality than taobao and butthurt taobaolitas start calling you an elitist.
This was my comment btw>>10450440
No one ever said that taobao is trash, it's just in no way better than brand

>>10450896
No one said it's better than brand at any point.

>>10450490
>>10450491
You girls...really get offended easily. I only said that I personally don't care for some of the newer dresses by looks alone and that by looks alone, it reminds me of Walmart material. I stated that
>I DO like JP brands, just older dresses and currently waiting for them to appear secondhand or until a new dress I like is released.
I can buy a $300-$400 dress no problem so it's not a price issue. In the meantime, I buy Taobao that does appeal to me.
>I KNOW that it is not the same lace and I'm sure the quality is better. But I personally do not like the look.
For example, I've seen Meta lace with the brand logo within it and lace with rocking horses within it, or even castles. THIS is what I like JP or Chinese.

There's no argument being made, just observations and personal taste but it appears you take offense to this and jump at others who don't share your opinion.

>>10450897
>>10450027
>>10450274

>>10450928
Both of those posts are talking about looks, not quality or construction. Also neither one said Taobao was better, rather simply that it can look similar to brand.

>>10450914
>Calls one of the more consistently quality brands lace visually identical to cheap walmart shit compared to taobao net lace
>gives one of their hallmark high quality laces as the first example.
>"buhhhh you guys get offended real easily huh?"
Sorry you got jumped on for your shit opinion on lace I guess?

>>10450688
>I think toned down styles and gothic will lose some steam, since people will have fewer opportunities to wear lolita out they will want to wear more elaborate and eye catching outfits when they do wear it.
What a shit take. Not everyone wears lolita for the attention

>>10450277
As far as cheap and decent goes Tiny Garden is the best choice. $30 for a dress that isn't abysmal quality and I can feel comfortable doing things I normally wouldn't to make sure my brand stays nice. Their blouses are decent too, but don't quite match the color of their main pieces. I have no recs if you're short though.

>>10450858

I like to think I've tried them all, from $30 To Alice dresses, to $150 Kidsyoyo almost-replica btssb, to $150 fullsets, to $150 fancy dresses, to $300 Krad Lanrete, to $500 near-replica coat sets. I've also seen expensive Elpress and Classical Puppets from other girls in my comm.

I'm still very unimpressed by taobao. For some reason people keep assuming I'm talking about $30 dresses even when I directly say I'm not impressed by Krad's quality. I don't know why folks are so happy to bitch about AP polyester but put Krad's poly on a pedestal, really.

Elpress and Classical are highly detailed but the girls who owned them said some of the seams were itchy, unlined and in weird places. OTT ruffles aren't my thing though so I can't really judge.

>>10450652

Problem with taobao prints is not how clear the print is, it's the method they use, it's usually surface-printed so it doesn't hold up as well as brand's method over the years.

As for brand print, it can be pretty crisp on smooth poly, but that's the exact same poly people complain feels plasticky. I have to admit a lot of dresses look better when they chose to use a more textured fabric, it gives a more interesting feel to a dress.

I have no issues with taobao by the way. The creativity, meme dresses and cheap prices are great. I still buy taobao filler pieces and accessories. It's just my honest opinion that the quality doesn't quite catch up to brand's.

>>10450935
>compared to taobao net lace
I didn't. I compared simple lace to detailed lace and mentioned both JP and CH having detailed lace I like. I just don't like the look of that kind of lace because it looks common. If you like it, that's fine but I'm not going to buy a dress I don't like the look of just because it came from a popular brand. You can dislike my opinion but don't twist what is said.

>>10450914
>>10450947

I just thought you were talking out your ass because you didn't even know enough to figure out what types of lace you're looking at. I mean, there's newbie lolita guides to lace that you can google and easily figure out that what you're actually looking at.

I'm not either of the other two anons btw. Just chiming in to say I also think you're a noob and need to lurk (and google) moar.

>>10450951
Thanks and I will. I said at the start that I'm new. >>10450027 I don't know lace types yet, but I do know what looks appealing to me and what doesn't. ICP has ice creams in the lace. That shit is cute and I love that, but I don't care for the dress. It's not ugly it's just not something I would buy for myself.

This whole thing started because someone responded to my post with them saying how photoshoped the girls are in Taobao images. I responded back correcting them that I was speaking about the dresses and not the models, giving some of the lace I saw as an example. >>10450239 this post seemed to question further by what I meant by Walmart lace so I answered >>10450485
>Of course it's not the exact same lace but on first glance...
>I know not all JP brand is like this...
And from there anons are assuming that I think Taobao is better than JP brands just because I said I didn't like the look of the lace of SOME newer dressss.

>>10450953
If you're this new, why are you even participating in this thread. It's pretty obvious you can't even discern quality yet, why would we care what your predictions are?

>>10450934
Here’s the thing, poor quality dresses look worse in person than nice dresses

>>10450953
Anon, this isn’t a what are my personal tastes based on being in the fashion for what I can assume is less than a year thread. It’s a lolita trends predictions thread, which is going to require you to know at least something about lolita trends

>What styles will make a comeback?
2010s AP sweet; vampy, Romantic goth; natural/dolly kei adjacent classic; country becoming a mini trend is my dark horse bet

>What styles would you like to see become popular?
Def country on the back of cottagecore.I wanted to see punk kick back up in the wake of old school and asymmetrical goth but that time has passed.

>Will masks as coord accessories continue in the West?
Yes, hopefully.

>What releases do you expect through 2020 and into next year?
More retro style releases and 2010 sweet rereleases. We might get a few good new 2010 sweet style prints later in the year. IW will continue to become Pink House lite, other classic brand might follow suit.

>Will sweet lolita continue to see the 2010-era AP resurgence or move onto another trend?
At least in the West I think it will be big, but in a similar way to OTT classic where it came in with a bang and people got bored with it quickly

>Will Virgin Mary crowns finally fade into obscurity?
I’d say they did years ago and if you are still wearing them you are probably not going to pay attention to trends anyway... so I guess no by OPs standards

>>10450953

lmao anon. Your lace examples basically advertised that you’re so n00b, you don’t even know what lace you’re looking at before you cluelessly classed them as “walmart” lace.

And then followed that up with “This appeals to me, therefore it is right”, as if the ita threads aren’t filled with girls dressed stupidly because it appeals to them. I mean, you’re a clueless noob who can’t even tell lace apart, y’know, of course your opinions aren’t worth that much.

I ain’t touching the brands debate. I just think in this case, you really don’t know what you’re talking about, so I can see why anons tell you you’re shit, regardless of whatever the debate is.

>>10450100
Thanks, anon. I didn't realize IW had started a YouTube channel.

Their "how to debut in IW" video says to choose an OP in a simple cut and fabric(?), wear small bow clips since you don't know how to do big hair arrangements yet, and don't cheap out on the socks. That explains where they are trying to go with their recent designs - bring in fresh blood by appealing to the people who are afraid to look too alternative. But if I wasn't in the mood to look alternative then I would just wear normie clothes. I wish them luck with whatever they are trying.

>>10451015
I think it’s the opposite, despite what this particular video is saying. I think they are trying to target older lolita markets who want less loud and easier to wear lolita.

>source?
Just speculation. Their style just seems to mimic what I’m seeing a lot of 30+ year old japanese lolitas I follow wear these days

>>10451024
I guess that too. When talking about the dress they're rereleasing they said they made it longer so it's more mature and out of poly so it won't wrinkle as much. 2020 worst timeline confirmed.

>>10451025
Eh, I actually like that a couple of brands are acknowledging older clientele. It might not be your thing, but it’s better to have a few brands follow older lolita trends than to just ignore them and make them quit

>>10451048
They're all doing that, at least the well known brands. The majority of lolitas, especially in Japan, are getting older and are at least in their 30s. Lolita is still popular there amongst people who were already into the fashion. It doesn't seem like it's attracting too many young people. Take a look at all the popular lolita models, they're in their 30s. So catering to their older customers might actually be their way of keeping their brand alive.
The wave of normalcy in Japan will probably cause all the substyles to become more "wearable"

>>10451048
I'm just salty that I can't support them during the quarantine hardships because they are not releasing anything in my style. I lean toward the sweeter side of IW, like Rabbit Letter.

>>10451025

Personally I like the longer dresses even as a shorter person. It's not like no brand ever made long dresses before anyways since I have plenty of dresses from 2013 and earlier that are long. It's fun to have a different silhouette to play with. Brands like Sheglit and Seraphim are pretty good at playing up the historical bent too which I enjoy.

>>10450999
>>10451002
Because the views and actions of newbies is going to influence the future. Fashion or not. Speaking about what I've noticed and seen gives the experienced ideas of what other new people are seeing. My main topic before anons got offended by the lace comment was that as a new person, I am seeing Chinese brands costing less and are more available than JP brand, and that is influencing some JP brands dying out. The ones that are buying these chinese indie brands are newbies. Is this incorrect?

>>10451167
That isn’t how influence works. Also ppl have been buying Taobao for a decade. It isn’t new to do so. They always have been cheaper, and resellers existed before most jp brands were selling internationally.

This lack of knowledge is why your opinions don’t matter. How can you guess the future when you don’t know the present or the past

>>10451171
Because it reminds me of patterns in other industries in fashion and how it's all taking a fall because of fast fashion. I see posts, not just 4chan, where people are talking about JP brands close to closing, even in this very thread. Not just clothes, take diamonds. Boomers and GenX blaming millennials for "killing" the diamond insdustry. Real diamonds are higher quality than the cheap stuff that looks the same, but the younger generations don't care. They aren't willing to pay high amounts for a product you can get for cheaper that looks the same, even if it doesn't last long.

This is why I speak up and ask questions while giving my views. Not only to give my own views but to learn the views and history from others. You don't learn anything if you don't ask questions and join the conversation.

>>10451167
There’s a difference between the tastes of an incoming generation and those of brand spanking new itas. If this is how this worked the 2010s would have been all cat ears and milanope disasters. Even those of us with halfway decent taste usually change our tastes once we get settled and understand the fashion better.

>>10451167
>Is this incorrect?
Yes, on like 8 different axes.

Like>>10451171 said, Taobao has always been popular and so has things like Bodyline and indie. In fact, it’s way easier and cheaper to get brand these days and as a result it’s more common to find brand. Japanese brands always come and go and the rising rent in Harajuku paired with the economic situation in Japan is likely way more of a factor than newb lolitas in the west buying budget (which they have always done).

>>10451209
Yea, that's a good point too. With covid however, I worry if that's causing an even bigger impact than normal, and that I see chinese brands upping their quality. I don't want these JP brands to die and almost considering purchasing from ones that are close just to help, yet even shipping services is shitting itself and JP stores not shipping to the U.S. (Yes, I'm looking into SS)

>>10451233
Wait why would Chinese brands upping their quality be a bad thing?

>>10451250
It's not, I'm just concerned for japanese brands and it appears there's a stigma for choosing chinese brand over Japanese.

>>10451190
>Real diamonds are higher quality than the cheap stuff that looks the same, but the younger generations don't care. They aren't willing to pay high amounts for a product you can get for cheaper that looks the same, even if it doesn't last long.

Do you really think this is why the diamond industry is dying? Holy shit eyelet-chan, open a book.

>>10451007
your predictions fill me with hope anon

>>10451059
I agree with this. The historical looks are really pretty and it makes me happy that IW is working hard to meet the needs of the JP market (since the alternative is chinese itas or broke western fatties).

>>10451190
you can make diamonds in a lab, idiot. what a terrible take.

>>10451000
It really depends on the dresses. All brands have made some truly hideous shit before that would look awful next to higher end Taobao, regardless of materials.

>>10451385
>what about this extremely specific edge case

>>10451190
>to learn the views and history from others. You don't learn anything if you don't ask questions and join the conversation.
You do this by listening. Questions are fine, but no one cares about your two cents.
Lurk more.

>>10451555
It's funny that anons did care to give serious answers to the OP and only when they mentioned lace did others piss themselves.

>>10451190
>>10451555

And strangely enough, with this noob showing the way the future will be "influenced" by a clueless know-nothing, I'm suddenly very glad burando's primary market isn't the western market.

The chinese lolitas might buy too much poly and spend too much money but at least their influence won't be as shitty as this noob and whatever horde she thinks she's "influencing".

>>10451559

I think that's the thing, they gave her benefit of the doubt and the best chance to explain herself, and she still shat herself with all her clueless answers. You can already see she was getting into taobao vs brand arguments before this shortly before revealing all of it was based on the lace "appealing" to her "personally" because apparently that's important.

>>10451559
>people listened to an anonymous person until they revealed themselves to be an idiot
>awfully suspicious don’t you think

>>10451293
Thank you, I’m >>10451007 and my trend guesses for threads like these tend to be pretty safe and ultimately accurate if that makes you even more hopeful.

>>10451056
It's the opposite in China, where young girls absolutely love the loud 2010s style and most lolitas are teens/early 20s. Catering to that huge demographic with tons of purchasing power would be the best way to keep a brand alive. Look at what they do for AP.

>>10451665
How on earth do you expect brands like IW or VM or Sheglit to pivot to fucking 2010 sweet?

>>10451673
China also loves OTT classic and classic-sweet. Meanwhile, IW and VM continue to release long, muted, plain dresses. Not the smartest move.

>>10451677
I’d argue China loves OTT hime sweet, not so much actual OTT classic. Most of their stuff looks more like Baby than anything

>>10450118
Not saying you're wrong, but where do you see Japanese lolitas talking about anything??

>>10451721
japanese sites

>>10450947
You are confusing detail and quality with being uncommon. A lace can have a common design and amazing quality and detailing while another one can have uncommon themes such as ice cream at the same time it has poor quality.

Brand lace has good quality, it’s undeniable better than wallmart’s. If being uncommon is more important than quality for you, go for it I guess, you only need to stop confusing what you are talking about.

>>10451677
So you're saying their best course of action is to... alienate their current base completely and join an already wildly oversaturated market?

>>10451677
So you expect them to pivot from their established brand hallmarks completely, alienate their already small customer base, and jump into an already oversaturated market in a different substyle because it's trendy for the next year or so?

>>10450503
...what are reverse-loliables? Lolita items you can wear in a normie way?

>>10451876
it means just what anon said, lolita items that are good for other jfash.

>>10450662
Same, love my pumpkin cat school jacket

Is the old school trend over?

>>10451768
I obviously meant which websites ding dong

>>10451854
>>10451870
I'm saying I expect them to die out soon considering their choices.

>>10451911
Jane Marple survives and thrives despite their questionable choices, I think VM will be fine. IW's dying because they stopped overseas shipping, that's just dumb and unrelated to their style of clothes.

>>10451882
Nope, most of the old schoolers just stopped posting in cof

Because of the mass-production wota girls, there seems to be a himekaji revival, I think it will go on for a while.

Idol lolita is blowing up in China currently, so I'd be surprised if Japanese brands didn't take advantage of that trend.

>>10452701
Is this photo supposed to be himekaji?

>>10452722
>Idol lolita
Not to be stupid but is this idols wearing lolita or somehow idol themed lolita

>>10452723
i fucking hope not. anon sounds like she doesn't know wtf she's talking about.

>>10452724
it's supposed to be lolita styled to look like idol dresses.

>>10452725
>it's supposed to be lolita styled to look like idol dresses
Huh, I’m down with fhat

>>10452723
>>10452725
They actually calol everything princess-y casual fashion himekaji in japan, just saying.

>>10452742
Then why would it need a “revival”? This looks exactly the same as what LL puts out now

>>10452743
Because people consider it "dead".

>>10452747
But if everything casual and princess-y is himekaji and people still wear casual princess-y things then what is being “revived”?

Pick a struggle.

>>10451007
>country becoming a mini trend is my dark horse bet
My brain malfunctioned and I read this as "horse girl bet," and I feel like horse girls country lolitas should be a thing lmao

>>10452752
It’s also my horse girl bet but didn’t want to show my hand

>>10452749
People wear it again now, but during the time Larme was big it wasn't much of a thing.

I predict more brands will move toward poly, because both Japanese and Chinese lolitas prefer it to save space. /cgl/ will whine about it nonstop.

>>10452755
No shit, I’m a saying what’s in the picture isn’t himekaji, and if it is it doesn’t need a “revival” since that particular style has been around

>>10452801
japanese lolitas don't like it tho. also it doesn't save space, retard

>>10452807
you sound salty

>>10452808
AP has said in interviews that 's the exact reason they switched to poly. How new are you?

>>10452826
too bad they are the ones saying they hate it.

>>10452742
that's not even true though.

>>10452844
Do you have proof or are you just talking out of your ass? AP's sales clearly haven't suffered at all from going poly.

>>10452845
search for it in japanese on google image search and be surprised, the only people thinking it's toned-down himegyaru is foreigners

>>10452863
no one implied that, but all cutesy princess clothes aren't hikekaji.

>>10452489
Why?

>>10452701
>>10452863
>thinks himekaji is a thing outside of the west
>thinks it encompasses anything cute/princess like

Riiiiight.

>>10452882
actually it's a thing, just as much as karekaji (boyfriend casual)

>>10452879
is thohttps://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1229068782

>>10452882
>>10452879
some very uneducated people here
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/52426/

>>10452881
Probably because they get shit on constantly

>>10450680
based Meta chads

>>10450027
you’re pretty knowledgeable for a newbie! I’d say baby and meta have continued to be consistently good so far but yeah, anyone who says ap hasn’t fallen off for the most part recently is lying to themselves. Dolly heart looks like it’s made from a high quality garbage bag. Meanwhile there are a bunch of taobao brands doing the same styles ap is doing right now, but cheaper and in some cases better. Lolita is still popular in japan but it’s definitely no longer the primary style of alt fashion there. It seems imported and heavily modified vintage is what’s really popping off in harajuku at the moment

>>10453051
>patiently waits for them to get to the eyelet part

>>10452722
I've been awaiting this moment for a very long time

>>10453505
get that pedo outta here

>>10452742
actually
they call all of it harajuku attentionwhore fashion

nah for real though, it's pretty much all either lolita, liz lisa, or gyaru

>>10453508
you're on 4chan, you're gonna have a much easier time removing yourself from here than scraping all the literal pedos

>>10453510
KEK where's the lie though? The vast majority of Japanese people just call all of the above fucking weirdos.

>>10453514
>KEK where's the lie though? The vast majority of people just call all of the Japanese fucking weirdos.

>>10453510
>>10453511
>>10453517
so these are the fabled rill lolita hours
don't like how honest we're all being right now

>>10453519
i do. love you hoes.

>>10450070
Natural kei is currently very big in China and Cottage Core is not far from it. With the influence Chinese lolitas have on JetJ, I hope they will influence them to stop doing shitty poly painting dresses and going back to nice natural fabrics again. There might be hope.

>>10452722
i've seen a few of these that i absolutely love, but the word costume-y just continues to float in my mind. i know substyles can always form or whatever, but i can't really imagine wearing any of this as a regular coord. ig that's the point though?

>>10452722
ew

I really feel like if AP doesn't do any of the following:
- Return to more frequent use of cotton and finer detailing
- Increase production of items in order to fight scalping
- Create a better international system for their onlineshop

People are going to grow tired of the shitty bloodbaths for polyester plastic garbage. Yes AP will always likely remain popular, but I can't see how truly sustainable their current business model will be longterm. I feel like BTSSB will convert more APfags like Tyler over eventually. Lolita will turn more towards fast fashion if its popularity continues in China. I feel like the market for older AP will continue as releases today lack the construction, materials, and detailing we were seeing a decade ago.

A bit of a ramble but honestly, the way they're running things currently baffles me. I wonder how vastly different AP would operate if Chinese lolitas moved onto a different brand/trend.

>>10452722
>>10454481
I'm into it, some people enjoy the actual dressing part of the fashion too desu
Like people always say they can't wait to get home to take their pettis off for example, but the high maintenance, slight discomfort, arguably costume-y aspects of the fashion are weirdly comforting imo, like structure or something

>>10454646
You do know that AP is a Japanese lolita brand, right? Even without Chinese lolitas, western lolitas won't be a priority.

Orders for factories aren't just "oh increase this months order by 1000." There's guidelines and a maximum to make clothes that aren't fast fashion. Call AP what you want, but it's still not fast fashion. AP already is having delays with production for years. It wouldn't make sense to increase production even if they could.

The only people who are this angry over bloodbaths are people new to the fashion, as in less than 5+ years. AP's bloodbaths were always like this, and they've been using poly since 2014. The cotton dresses they've released since then never sell out and are priced higher.

>>10454652
You do know Japanese lolitas are complaining about poly quality as well, right? I'm just saying it doesn't seem sustainable long term, especially if they were to fall out of favour with the Chinese. I've been in the game for some time and know that the Western comm had never been a priority (for any of the brands). However, seems like a lot of Westerners are growing fatigued at the current way of things, outside of how things have been prior to Chinese influence.

The cotton dresses they have released have missed the mark on design or other issues imo. Do you agree that Ice Cream Parlour would have been more attractive on cotton?

>>10454657
Japanese lolitas are still buying from AP in droves despite all the poly releases. Look at Mademoiselle de Paris, Ice Cream Parlor, Romantic Cat and Romantic Perfume. I can't find any tweets that show Japanese lolitas complaining about the fabric used

>>10454695
Check Twitter for @kira37370512 and @ralzanyaw, Dolly Heart quality is dogshit

>>10454720
>kira37370512

Could you provide specific tweets? 99% of her stuff is random blog shit...

>>10453508
Yeah, trust a random twitter with nothing but poorly made translations as proof to accuse someone of being a pedophile

>>10454745
Why should I spoonfeed you?

>>10454761

Burden of proof. I'm not going to exhaust myself over a claim based on two randos' twitters anyways.

>>10454769
ffs

Literally search "dolly heart angelic pretty" on Twitter and scroll til you see Ralza. She had a whole set of tweets that were posted here a few days ago.

for kira, hit the media tab on her feed. good lord

>>10454481
i think it is meant to be a bit costume-y in the same way nurse lolita or sailor lolita is

>>10454646
the answer is that they don't give a shit about the tiny western market and never will. if you mean what if they only focused on japanese lolita tastes, well we'd have a ton more of the vintage style dresses like neon diner/milkshake because that's what is popular in jfash rn, likely remaining poly too. it still wouldn't be what the west wants (2010 style cotton) because again, they don't give a shit about you

>>10449730
I'm immunocompromised and have to wear a mask, no choice; what's the general consensus on wearing a scarf like in the op pic? Anyone have a cuter way to style scarves like that? I think it could be cute to wear a matching one for your waistties

>>10454771
already did and nothing shows up searching in japanese, take your trolling somewhere else

>>10454771
The only Tweet about Dolly Heart is about a small print error, nothing about hating polyester.

>>10454820

I think scarves are cute. Would be careful about it slipping though, since once it gets on the neck it could spread covid and other germs to that area.

Personally to protect myself and others I wear a surgical mask or one of those K95's outside but with a cute mask on top. They have a lot of gorgeous ones these days.

>>10454841
masks don't really do all that much unless you personally are sick. the cdc doesn't seem to understand that very much.

>>10454841
You do realize that masks restrict your airflow and by wearing one on top of the other you're putting yourself even more at risk of suffocation and brain damage?

>>10454845

Not to derail too much but yes, I also care about not spreading it to other people if I'm asymptomatic, which you would have caught if you read my initial post.

>>10454847
the point is that anon is fine to wear a scarf cause it has the same level of protection.

>>10454841
immunonon again, heads up, a cotton scarf, like obviously not a thin one, but anything cotton and thick as an office shirt is all you need to cover your mouth and face with to filter particles
Obviously something more heavy duty works too, but you don't need it
I'm not trying to be an asshole; people who aren't used to wearing masks already are being really weird about them now whether they think it's right or wrong

>>10450070
>>10450104
Praying for this. I have noticed a ‘historical’/fantasy trend in my comm but unfortunately that has so far consisted entirely of extremely tacky OTT polyester-and-hot-glued-plastic Taobao costumes. I wonder what would happen if the historical costumers who are getting into ‘historybounding’ (incorporating historical styles into your daily wardrobe) were to discover classic lolita. I don’t know if they’d buy from lolita brands, but I would really love to see some good handmade from people who actually know what they’re doing.

>>10454861

I was just noting the practicalities of it slipping down. If you can keep it up that's fine! Good luck out there.

>>10454882

I noticed a lot of historical costumers actually are refugees from lolita. Most of them don't like how "strict" the rules are. Bernadette Banner seems to have a dim view of lolita as well. It's a shame because really we could kumbaya together.

>>10454657
Other Japanese lolitas actually want poly for the convenience. See the point about IW switching to poly for ease of wear for older lolitas. Frankly, as long as it’s good poly I am okay with it due to the wrinkling factor. That being said, AP’s poly is shiny and thin and not at all where it’s quality should be

>>10454657
Other Japanese lolitas actually want poly for the convenience. See the point about IW switching to poly for ease of wear for older lolitas. Frankly, as long as it’s good poly I am okay with it due to the wrinkling factor. That being said, AP’s poly is shiny and thin and not at all where it’s quality should be

>>10454928
>>10454929
Sorry don’t know why it double posted

>>10454846
You do realize medical professionals have been wearing masks all day without issue for like 100 years?

>>10454929
They may want poly, but anon said they were complaining about quality. Which they are.

>>10454839
No one said that. Try reading the comment thread.

>>10454932

Don't take the bait.

>>10454919

I don't see the overlap, to be honest. Most historical costumers care about the historical accuracy, but lolita just actively does not give a fuck. Btssb's robe a la francaise being prime example, the thing is so far removed from its original namesake it's pretty much an entirely modern princess dress with a back cape attached. It's fine as a lolita dress, and a piece of history besides (shimotsuma monogatari dolls were released wearing it), but if you tried to insert it into historical costuming it just isn't.

I really don't see many lolitas ever being interested in historical accuracy, heck a good repeat topic is whether or not girls wear bloomers under their dresses, do you think they care what time period bloomers are suitable on top of that? So much so that if someone had to trade in the "rules" in return for nitpicking over an entirely different topic that most lolitas don't care about, I'd say they were in the wrong hobby to begin with.

This >>10454882 though. If the historicals were going into making lighter dresses that blends in easily with modern dresses, they might end up approaching something like Moon Afternoon. It's interesting, though I also think they're unlikely to buy burando. They've been making stuff for so long I can't imagine they'd buy commercial, and anyhow it's easier to imagine they might buy something old-fashioned from a local company, than look overseas at some Japanese company for it.

>>10455114

History bounding actually is literally modernizing history to wearable fashion. So it exists, and it's starting to trend again. Lolita imo has always done that, but I'm excited to see things like bustles come out in Sheglit's designs and Edwardian lace bodice designs in Seraphim's dresses. It would be cool to see the two together.

>>10454919
Has she talked about lolita somewhere?

>>10455167
I love history bounding. I would be so happy if it continued to trend, especially if there was some interaction between the two communities and more production of relatively historically accurate pieces.

I don't think that's going to happen though, largely for the reasons >>10455114 gives. Also because brands don't care about westernlitas, so even if historical lolita takes off it's going to be polyester hanfu messes with too many underskirts.

>>10454882
One of the girls in my comm does historical costuming and her coords are terrible. The silhouette is usually okay but the pieces are so plain they look like a cosplay and are never cute, well sewn detail work like VM or MM

>>10455270

A lot of Japanese are getting into history bounding already though. A lot of indie designers I follow really love the 1830s sleeves right now for instance.

I think it won't be huge but it will be there. It's cool we have different substyles for this reason. I don't even hate the poly hanfu designs, but it's nice to have both.

>>10454479
I had a beautiful silk dress for 5 years, moved to japan, and it fell apart. It's been worn maybe 6 or 7 times total ever. I understand why poly is catching on in japan. Plus I can launder it in this tiny space a lot easier than my big oldschool pieces

>>10454944
See
>>10452844

>>10455306
That's a random anon interjecting. Follow the discussion.

Fuck you

>>10455293
I lived in japan and my clothes deteriorated quicker. I thought maybe it was the lack of insulation in my kinda traditional house (common there) combined with the damper climate but I don’t know. I had those moisture absorbers in my closets but it didn’t help. Could be part of the switch to poly. Even my friends who lived in “mansions“ (apartments) had moisture issues

If western and eastern market demands are growing so much apart and westerns are not completely satisfied with japanese brands anymore, maybe there will be more western brands gaining popularity in the next years. They will never have the same prestige of the japanese brands which were there since the beginning, but they sure have the potential to become big.

>>10455474
Western indie designs are shit and use poly as well. Cgl has been full of complaints since always, don't take it too seriously. They'll still continue buying from brands.

>>10455427
it's mainly because it's cheaper for brands.

>>10455474
Western designs are shit, they’re more focused on size inclusivity than good design. Most of them are run by people who have no inherent design skill, they just got into fashion to make clothes big enough to fit themselves and then realized there was a large (no pun intended) plus size market. You watch any interview with one and their sizes and racial inclusiveness are all they talk about. That and whatever snowflake trend they can hop on. It was magical girls like 5 years ago, now it’s medical themes and spooky cute Halloween stuff

>>10455474
Most western brands look like Taobao but at a way higher price point. No thanks, if I need non-japanese brand stuff, I'll just get actual Taobao for cheaper.

>>10455530

Yes, this. Not only that, but it can actually look worse. 90% of Violet Fane looks so bad even in photos.

>>10454820
Scarves don't filter as much, why risk your life over aesthetics? Use a proper medical mask or do a triple layered cloth mask.

>>10454846
Sounds like you have pre-existing brain damage anon, might want to get that checked out.

>>10454820

Why are you insistent on still being an antimasker when there are so many cute breathable masks out there? Do you want to die?

>>10455530
I can understand that they’re more expensive because they don’t have easy access to cheap materials and labour like the Chinese do, and I’m personally willing to spend more because of that, but yeah the Western indie I’ve seen in person is about on par or even lower quality than the better Taobao brands. They tend to focus on prints too much while using low quality fabrics and printing techniques and often use shortcuts in construction.

My local indie brand has a line of boleros and cutsew dresses that are made of knit fabric yet sewn like wovens on a regular sewing machine. They look and feel very handmade but cost about the same as their brand equivalents. I bought from her when I was new to lolita and thought that Japanese brands were inaccessible to me. Many people thought I’d made the skirt myself and when I tried to sell it nobody wanted it, not even for $5. I eventually donated it to a thrift shop. She’s gotten better since then but not $250 per dress better, not by a long shot.

>>10455427
I live in a small apartment made of thick concrete. The insulation is good, the windows sweat in the summer. I run multiple dehumidifiers and keep the AC set not too cold, not too warm. There are pockets of hot and cold based on the AC units, the fans and vents I have don't help much

>>10455476
>>10455504
>>10455578
I’m just theorizing at this point, but what if there was good quality western indie out there? Would you buy it or would you still prefer brand because of the name?

It’s not as if there was something blocking the west from making nice clothes. I like miss danger designs a lot and they look like they are quality items from the pictures, but I have never owned one to be sure about it so I might as well be mistaken about it.

>>10455668

Nayrt but I've bought Western indie and like sure, I definitely would continue to buy it if the quality or cs was up there, but either one isn't or neither are.

Take for instance idd. Her clothes are gorgeous and despite being a little under the measurements her dresses still flatter me ridiculously. Despite this I only have supported her directly once because she decides to make updates with no real heads up except on IG stories. Kind of hard to support a brand when you come back home from work and everything is fine because she made an update while you were at work and busy.

I would really like to buy from Miss Danger one day but I also would not like to be the subject of someone's wrath because I dated enquired about a six month old purchase. Pic related.

>>10455679

Samefagging, but it's really telling when it's easier for me to get a release from a foreign country I don't know the language of rather than these English speaking indie brands.

The one indie brand I did have a good time with is and continues to be peppermint fox. Unfortunately though their dresses come up weirdly on my ribcage, but the poly fabric drapes nicely and they're good for both casual lolita and more dressy normie clothing. I've also liked mulberry chronicles in the past.

>>10455427
This is why I don't understand why central air isn't a thing there. It would really help. The stupid one room units are either freeze or suffer in hot humidity.

All I hope for is for brands to start making dresses in my size again. From AP to IW to Moitie, everything has become fuckhuge and I'm salty. I don't even get it, have the Japanese and Chinese gotten so much fatter over the years? I refuse to believe they're all catering to Westerners.

In the meantime, I guess I'll keep buying old brand secondhand, but I wish I could support brands firsthand without having to shell out doubly by having to get everything altered.

>>10455736
>I don't even get it, have the Japanese and Chinese gotten so much fatter over the years?
The younger generation has, probably because of the influence of western fastfood being all over the place.

>>10455736
No, I think the baggy look is trendy right now. Also their audience is older and no longer in their teens. I follow a few Japanese lolitas who are also having children so their bodies are changing and loose is more comfortable. Unfortunate if you like fitted looks.

>>10455780
Loose is one thing, but I don't think dresses being 15cm larger than body measurements is aesthetic in lolita, don't know if that puts me in the minority. In any case, I hope the trend blows over soon.

>>10455790
oversized dresses make the wearer look more petite, chinese lolitas eating that shit up because they want to look like twirly smol uwu fairies or whatever

>>10455794
That only works if you're a skinny rectangle. My measurements are small but I've still got a sizable difference between my bust and waist so anything loose just makes me look fatter than I am.

>>10455799
that's why I brought up Chinese Lolitas because they're mostly petite, shapeless teens and they're the ones making the trend popular so AP caters to them

>>10455794

I think it's more just Asia than Chinese but yeah oversized is a trend. Last summer in Japan all I saw was Japanese teens wearing American vintage too big for them. It's endearing in a way. Most Asian clothes are a bit big on me but in a flattering way if that makes any sense.

>>10455571
>>10455575
and immunonon again
I guess neither of you read the thing where I said "I already wear a mask whenever I go outside" and then explained how much fabric you need between you and the atmosphere to not get sick if you are literally immunocompromised
Did you know you can fold a scarf over? Crazy, right?
They can be made out of all sorts of materials too, wild
Heck, you can even slip another small piece of fabric on strings behind them

you don't need a gas mask with a charcoal filter to stay healthy, or even an n95, I would be fucking dead if you did

>>10455802
it's huge in korea right now too

>>10455846
sage for offtopic, I am so fucking sick of having to explain shit to healthy people, even the ones who are helping are blithering retards who'll shit on actual sick people who have already had to live like this forever

>>10455668
4 O’Clock existed but she went mainstream couture when it was viable. I’m not sure many skilled designers are interested in making lolita.

>>10455800
They don’t actually want an answer to their question, just to complain about being too skinny

>>10453511
Doesn't hurt anyone to be hostile toward pedos. When you see something bad happening, it is good to do something about it, rather than walk away and pretend you didn't see it.

>>10456075
I just think it's stupid and disingenuous; we share this board with literal unashamed pedophiles, this site with people who push drugs and cutting on children, and there are girls happy to throw Kyary under the bus for screencaps of flirtatious messages that still haven't been proven real in over nine years

>>10456075
>When you see something bad happening, it is good to do something about it, rather than walk away and pretend you didn't see it.
I would give my left arm for zoomers to do just that sometimes. I’ve seen so much weird porn just because they find it necessary to show everyone they’ve ever met fucked up shit they found online. If you aren’t going to actually do anything, just shut up and stop sexually harassing us all

>>10456092
it's your fault for thinking that just because parts of the site are bad, we all want to deal with it here.

>>10456104
Just gonna keep ignoring that nothign was ever proven so you can keep shitting on women huh
yeah that's real different form the other boards
trying to tear down a successful woman with zero evidence, real fucking progressive, good for you, so special

>>10455846
Research has shown that scarves and bandanas don't filter as much, but go off I guess.
Not like you mentioned that you would put a fabric filter in the original post either. Good luck with your illness and shitty attitude.

>>10456106
I bet you don't think Melanie Martinez did anything either.

>>10456150
Sorry I have a shitty attitude from constantly having to explain myself to healthies for the last six months and also every day before that

>>10456153
Bitch if you can prove it to me I will not be on her side; why the fuck don't you just post proof if it's so readily available? Is it because it's not and you're full of shit? Just post it or stop derailing every time you see her mug posted, it's like you somehow have a vendetta against a celebrity

>>10456172
Sorry you're so bitter, bless your heart.
Although it's understandable if you live in Burgerland and healthy people are idiots about masks.

>>10456175
you know what, my bad for just assuming everyone in the thread was also in the states, I always forget there are countries where people just fuckin wash their hands as part of the normal culture, god bless and save the queen and all that, merry healthcare

>>10456199
You stay safe and take care out there anon.
For all the salt, I genuinely wish you well and hope you get through everything OK.

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>>10456175
>understandable if you live in Burgerland and healthy people are idiots about masks.
nta but you have no idea lmao
its fucking hell here

>>10456217
Yeah I realised, after that I could understand why anon was so salty.
I can't imagine dealing with that level of fuckery and Karens everywhere.

Anyways to get this thread back on track, I'm hoping to see more cute hair accessories like this for masks.
Would be nice to see more gothic ones, i know baby did a hair ribbon too

>>10456224
Opps dropped my file

>>10456224
I want masks and mask accessories to become a thing SO. BAD. I'm debating punching a grommet into one vs using just the elastic bands as an attachment point. Or what about embroidering a design instead of screen printing.

>>10456236
Didn’t they make these or sometching similar pre covid? Also does anyone have any info on the heir quality. I’ve been considering an order

>>10456346
Jesus Christ I want mask charms. Cell phone charms left a whole in my heart that can’t be filled.

>>10457405
they still make cases with charm holes. i have one.

>>10457434
not her, but I never thought of a smartphone case like that, thank you based zoomer

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>>10457434
AYRT I feel stupid but thank you. Zoomers can stay

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