/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

> 11. Buyer pays the invoice later than your terms require without notice
> 12. Buyer pays the invoice later than your terms by apologizing first with reasoning
> 13. Buyer pays the invoice on time but with an e-check (delays the payment to you virtually)
> 14. Buyer does not respond to introduction or shipping messages but leaves feedback when the item arrives
> 15. Buyer does not respond to introduction or shipping messages and says nothing when the item arrives via tracking
> 16. Buyer presses BIN before asking for a lower price - then backs out of the sale (ex. shipping too high)
> 17. Buyer presses BIN before asking for a lower price - then pays original price anyway
> 18. Buyer asks you to ship to an address not listed on their paypal payment
> 19. Buyer asks for a payment plan and pays one or more payment late
> 20. Buyer buys one item at a discount price but then haggles repeatedly to purchase more items which you do not want to discount (or the reverse)

> 21. Package is lost in the mail but the seller provides proof of shipment
> 22. Package is wrapped too tightly causing major wrinkles but no permanent damage to items
> 23. Package is wrapped in a way that damages items and a full refund is given
> 24. Package is sent to the wrong address due to sellers poor handwriting making it difficult to receive
> 25. Package is shipped using messy or unsturdy-looking materials such as overly re-taped mailers or damaged boxes with excessive tape

>>10447634
> Do you every purposely leave no feedback and why?
I always leave feedback as a seller or buyer
>> 1. Item smells uncleaned or worn such as body odor or perfume
I can wash it myself so Neutral as long as it’s not cigarette odor. Body odor is different and fucking disgusting.
>> 2. Item has small undisclosed damages (accepts full return you ask for)
Neutral.

>> 3. Item has small undisclosed damages (seller agrees to the partial refund you ask for)
Neutral. Ask for a full refund and send it back.
>> 4. Item has small undisclosed damages (seller offers a partial refund smaller than what you ask for)
Neutral and ask for full refund
>> 5. Item has small undisclosed damages (seller does not agree to a partial refund and asks you to return for a full refund instead)
Thats fine as long as theres a full refund
>> 6. Item arrives in a different size than what was advertised
If it’s too big it’s okay. Too small would suck. I always check for the measurements before I purchase though.
>> 7. Item has true measurements largely different than the sellers own ameteaur measurements
Negative.
>> 8. Item has true measurements largely different than the lolibrary post and seller did not take ameteaur measurements
I wouldn’t buy anything that doesn’t have the correct measurements
>> 9. Seller ships the wrong item to you and pays for the wrong item's return
Positive as long as they send the correct item.
>> 10. Seller ships the wrong item to you, pays for the return, and offers partial refund for correct item as apology
Positive. Mistakes happen and just ship the item back and get the correct one.

>>10447634
>> Do you every purposely leave no feedback and why
Yeah, if I have overall negative things to say, then I just don't say any feedback at all. I know if the person retaliates then I can dispute it, but I have better things to do with my life.

My negative incidents:

>seller 1 didn't include PayPal fees
>I ate the cost because it was a dream dress

>seller 2 sent an international package in a paper envelope
>envelope was so torn that the item was only held in by tape
>no damages, so I didn't complain

>seller 3 listed the wrong colorway
>I didn't look too closely and believed it because of weird lighting
>asked for a partial refund
>seller immediately apologized and agreed
>left her positive feedback

>seller 4 never sent tracking and item never arrived
>I asked seller for a refund, and she agreed
>seller didn't send a refund
>opened a PayPal dispute and got a refund
>seller apologized
You might be wondering if I was impatient on this one, but the interaction spanned from august to december, so - no.

>seller 5 listed an item as undamaged
>arrives with a stain
>says no returns
>opened a PayPal dispute and got a return
>ate the shipping cost to get it over with

After those last 2, I've started using WW and CC more over LM.

If an item has fixable issues like an old smell, temporary stains, or lint all over it, I don't really care because I plan to wash it anyway.

I don't mind smell as long as it's not too bad, because I will just wash it anyway.

>>10447745
i don't mind smell, especially from Japanese sellers because usually it's from anti mold/moth/bacyeria sprays or moth balls.

I'm sick of not recieving feedback especially when it's a $200+ dress. I refuse to give feedback until you give me feedback.

>>10447764

Tbh I expect seller to leave feedback first and I'm also very much in the "you leave feedback first if you are the seller" camp since as long as I pay and they sent the item and were honest about damages their end of the transaction is filled barring them having made a mistake with postage or anything. If they did everything properly their end of the interaction is complete and they can leave feedback. I can't until I recieve and thoroughly examine the item.

>>10447635
> 22. Package is wrapped too tightly causing major wrinkles but no permanent damage to items
Is this a complaint people actually have? Most of the time it saves shipping and is a secure way of packaging.

>>10447808
This. Way to bitch about nothing, some dumb ho sent me a dress from italy in a paper envelope with only one thin plastic bag in it. Of course it ripped and my dress got damaged

>>10447635
How have you had all these issues? Are you not checking the photos and item description before buying? Do you ignore the terms of sale tab? You seem really demanding

I always leave feedback except for one time, I did a payment plan on a dress and was I was done paying the seller said she would ship it that weekend. Corona shut down in the US hits and I message them that if they couldnt ship it out right away it was fine. They replied saying they would still ship it and give me a tracking number.
Two weeks go by and the day that package was supposed to arrive never shows up so I pm them again. Get another tracking number saying they will drop it tomorrow.
Sure thats fine just let me know
Tracking number doesnt work, figure with everything going on it was just an error in the system. A whole month goes by, still no dress. I pm the seller and she reads but never replied.
I pm asking if she was ok and if she needed to wait to ship it it was fine.
Another month goes by and got tired of being ignored so I file a paypal claim.
Got a refund notification and a message saying they felt bad so they sent the dress and a refund

Felt bad leaving negative feedback cause free dress I guess, I wish she would have just talked to me if she was having issues

>>10447808
I thought of including this one mostly because I always read sellers warning that they will ship the items in tight packaging becuase the fees are charged by size and not weight I think?? It seems enough people didnt like it for all of these seller to warn about tight packaging

>>10447819
Nah I'm not listing all of these from personal experience. I've spotted positive feedback with major issues as well as negative feedback for dumb shit like items wrapped together instead of individually wrapped for example so its all over the board

>>10447764
>>10447780

As a seller I usually ask that the buyers message me when the item arrives so that I know the transaction is done and that we are all good. The issue comes up with a buyer ghosts and I don't know if they've received it or??? I wouldn't leave feedback in that case for the buyer.

>>10447780
I guess, but I can't tell if the transaction is even over with until the buyer says that they got their package.

>>10447903
I've had a seller warn me she's going to reuse some packaging and mummify it in tape, I guess because it looks ghetto, but I was totally on board because that's really secure.

>>10447907

I mean if the seller asks if I recieved it I'll gladly let them know I got it but that is what tracking is for. Most LM sellers don't ship without tracking for anything of value, especially international unless you ask them.

If they want feedback I'll leave it if they ask after leaving their own. Most sellers never leave me feedback or ask if I got my item anyway. Plus I actually don't care about feedback in the sense that I have enough at this point that it will not prevent me from buying or selling easily with my current rating if no one leaves me any.

Bonus: if the seller never leaves feedback it allows me to hide my purchase history so gulls don't look at it for any reason (never been an issue for me but I see people getting ragged on for buying outside of the style cgl thinks they wear, getting asked to sell dresses they may not want to sell, or just getting judged based on their purchases in general)

>>10447974

My only issue with mummifying things in tape is the risk that if it's too tight it's impossible to get into the package without scissors and at that level of tight wrapping it might make it likelier you may mistakenly cut or damage your item trying to open the package.

Not sure if I should post this in stupid questions instead but I ended up bidding and winning an auction that was slightly misleading.

The seller had a large collection of tights in their first picture and then a pic of socks and the matching headbow in the next pictures; turns out that one set is what was on sale.

I’m going to feel bad saying that I don’t want them anymore but I’m not paying $75 for something that’s not going to go with my wardrobe, not sure how I should go about this.

>>10448676
Well, but what did the description say? You read it before bidding, didn't you?

>>10448676
I saw this exact listing and was almost tricked too, but the I felt like $75 was too good of a deal and finally figured it out. She took a picture of all her socks and made it the main image. It seemed malicious like she wanted to trick people.

I would refuse to pay and kindly explain that the image and listing was misleading, then immediately contact the LM mods with the same information.

>>10448676
>>10448677
>>10448682
This was the image. Listing title said "barrette and tight set."

>>10448676
The image is misleading but it's kind of your own fault...

>>10448684
That seller is shadyyyyy for that, but it doesn't take too long to understand what was actually being sold. I'd say even if you back out of the sale and she leaves a negative, I don't think it would deter most sellers because it was obviously misleading, but next time pay a bit more attention.

>>10447780
I do it the other way around, just in case the buyer might pull a trick like filing a false PayPal claim. You can’t change feedback and the transaction doesn’t really end with them paying for it. It feels like a bit of extra security against bad buyers.

>>10448686
I know right? I'm not the anon that bought it, but seriously why didn't the seller just use images of the actual items as the main picture? (Especially since she DID upload them. Just just at the main photo)
It felt like she was trying to humble brag in her description too
>"i have so many socks! How do I organize them all?!"

>>10448684
Alright, after reading the description, yeah. That is shady af, and definitely intentional. If she wants to use that as the firts picture, she should absolutely have added that the listing is only for the items in the other pictures. The way she tried to word that is intentionally vague/ambiguous/indirect. Don't pay that shit.

>>10448684
I bought something from her once, it wasn’t a really pleasant experience I’d tell you that

>>10448684
Yup, that’s the listing right there.

I’m not taking no fault here, I definitely should’ve known better. What stinks is that someone else had bid too and I wonder if they were under the same impression I was, may have saved them some hassle.

I’m going to ask them to cancel the transaction and message the mods also, thanks to each of you for your responses! If I get negative feedback, then it is what it is.

>>10448694
Yikes, what happened?

>>10448684
Why would you need proof of your other tights, that you aren't selling...? Stupid.

>>10448771
she's trying to play it off after she got called out.

Not listed: Dumbass seller didn't put my name on the package, so my landlord opened it up thinking it was theirs, manhandled it, possibly let his kids touch it before texting all the tenants to see whose it was. I left negative feedback for this stupid bitch and mods turned it to neutral on her request. She then left retaliatory feedback for me which the mods refused to change so I had to make a new account.

LM mods are absolute shit.

>>10448771

I was uninvested in this situation but just saw her listing, went to her profile, and found her cringe about statement that's a fucking paragraph long with nothing lolita related.

This bitch seems nuts as fuck and it's rude and accusatory of her saying the buyer didn't read when anyone who uses LM know good and well sometimes cheap listings go in seconds so you kind of have to just skim the listing and TOS before you buy to not risk losing a deal. She's just a shady bitch trying to complain in her listing title cause she got caught trying to scam.

>>10448776
wtf is this shit?

>>10448781

The scammy sock girl's Lace Market profile text. I have no idea what the fuck is wrong with her.

>>10448782
clearly something is wrong with her.

>>10448684
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/barrette-and-tight-set

It really doesn't specify that it's only for the 2 items.

Sure, that whole lot for $75 wouldn't have made sense but neither does the price make sense for the least popular colorway of 2 accessories that don't even go together...?

>>10448799
(I wasn't disagreeing with you I was just adding onto how ridiculously vague they were)

>>10448799
Wow that's fucking misleading. The description makes it worse, the pics are the only way to figure out what's for sale. Otherwise it sounds like a lot that includes a nice new dreamy baby room set

>>10448771
>RELISTED- BUYER DID NOT READ
What the actual fuck? She KNOWS she got called out because she lowered the price to $60.

To the original anon - please don't let this shake you. This person is an idiot and a jerk and needs to learn how to list things properly without being vague and leading with priming images. Fuck her. She's so fucking butthurt that she couldn't scam someone out of $75.

>>10448771
doesn't she know no one gives a shit about her other tights.

>>10448810
Allegedly sent a Sweetie Violet set just in plastic wrap. How this didn't get a negative is beyond me

>>10448841
it likely originally was a negative and mods changed it to neutral upon seller's request

>>10448771
I just got home from work and wow...the nerve of this girl. I also got this lovely PM from her basically calling me an idiot lol

>>10448852
what a cunt.

Is pic related a common practice with the AP SF shop? They send out postcards to their customers? Also wtf at selling a used postcard for $15, idc if it's brand

>>10448841
I’m the anon above saying I had a bad experience with her, she did this same thing with my package too, shipping label slapped on a clear plastic bag. I thought she did it to me on purpose because she sounded pretty pissed at me when we were communicating on DMs.

>>10448855
No idea about the first part but that’s a reasonable price for Imai Kira postcards.

>>10448855
To answer your first question, no it's not common practice. They used to do it a few years back as a thank you during the holiday season but haven't done so recently.

>>10448852
"BITCH I did read it, you talk about your socks collection as if its an achievement, and then use the worst, less descriptive picture as proof (the socks are barely visible in the first picture), even when you actually had a picture of just the 2 items, you still decided to post that misleading one and then you give me sass?

Fuck you and gimme my neutral feedback."

what I wish anon could reply

>>10448852
Can we all just go mob the comments for this bitch's new listing? I want to tell her she's getting torn about on 4chan for being retarded.

>>10448852
Two weeks??? I am teleworking full time but still manage to get to the post office within the week if I sell an item

>>10448898
Two weeks to get plastic wraps, ya know

>>10448852
Read about this last night, it's morning now & I'm still second-hand angry at this bitch. This was clearly an attempt at scamming people, seeing her try to talk shit now is disgusting. Noone trying to really just sell one pair of socks would have a) used that picture as the FIRST picture for the listing if not for clickbait, b) written such a stupid, nonsensical, redundant description (PROOF of your socks? bitch what? haha so funny joke about organising them? or how are we supposed to read that...?!) in such a wall of text, and c) tried to get rid of them for that high a price.

The gall on this person. She needs a good whacking, honestly.

>>10448901
You can buy them at walmart or office depot, or reuse old packages. This shit is part of the shipping cost

>>10448923
Forget those places, you can buy a padded mailer at Dollar Tree. For a dollar.

>>10448852
Link to the sold items please

>>10448776
*Lol. I am on 4chan. I wanted to clear a few things up. I was not scamming anyone, so if people feel that way I am sorry. I am not here to start any sort of conflict or get anyone upset.
*I also was not rude to her. I was just stating that it isn't hard to read the listing before buying it. I am at fault for putting that picture first, so I apologize. I have seen others do it. I did cancel the transaction like she had requested. I had fixed the listing and put the picture last this time.
*As for the label being plastered on was not my doing but the company that shipped the items. They had put the labels on the package not me. I just give them the information and they make the labels. The labels as I stated again are not done by me so if they miss-pell or things are missing I did not do that. I do try my best to make sure everything is clear and precise but things do happen.
* As for the Sweetie Violet I am sure I had sent it with extra packaging. I would never ship any of these dresses in flimsy packaging. If not, I will make sure that doesn't happen again.
* My description is yes = cringe, but that was put when I first started the fashion and I had never changed it.
* I hope this does clear some of the issues. I really have no reason to scam anyone or get anyone upset.

>>10449077
you're even more of a cringy cunt. don't ever try to sell in bst threads on here.

>>10449077
It’s common to read descriptions before purchasing so I’m with you on that part, no comment on anything else you just listed since idk about them. I agree with giving negative / neutral feedback. It actually takes time to re create a listing even if it’s just copy and pasting.

>>10448926
You can also just buy bulk on Amazon/aliexpress for super cheap.

>>10449079
did you actually read the description? she was being purposely obtuse. she never stated exactly what the listing was for and made it look like she only added pics of dbr specific to show the matching barette.

>>10449081
I am not sure what you are referring to, since I am here. If you would explain. I have listed the two items that were for sale in the listing, and nothing more. Maybe the extra little ( information) in the parentheses was confusing? If I were indeed selling the lot I would have said it at the beginning. The first picture was indeed a problem, so I had changed it now.

>>10449083
I'm not talking to you, scamchan.

>>10449078
I don't see why you have to attack me. I am just here to clear things up.

>>10449084
I didn't scam anyone. If you feel that way I do apologize. If you see my previous sales I haven't scammed anyone. I have no reason to.

>>10449086
Nta but you're making a fool of yourself by posting here trying to defend yourself when we all read your listing and came to the same conclusion.

>>10449087
sure thing scam-chan, is that why you lowered the price?

>>10449088
I can be the fool that is fine. I also know this platform can be brutal. I still will try.

>>10449089
Yes, I lowered it because I felt bad that there was a mix up. I did change it so people don't get confused for the description as well.

>>10449092
if it was just a mix up just change it and move on, you look even more shitty now. you also don't know how to ship packages if you're not doing the label properly.

>>10449095
I will move on.
I just wanted to clear things up. I don't make the labels. I send the information to the shipping company and they make them. I try to check before they put the labels on the packages but sometimes I may miss things. I hope this clears this up for you.

>>10449096
Write your own label if you're cheaping out with some shit company. I personally wouldn't buy from someone who is being so lazy.

>>10449098
I will do that from now. :)

>>10449077

you are a mess. I am so mad right now.

ok fine whatever it was an accident sure. But it was still really shitty of you to tell them you will leave negative feedback and publicly call them out for "not reading" in your next listing. yes you were very rude in your messages which we clearly have posted here. In what world is telling a stranger they lack common sense not rude?

and I still have a hard time believing you truly thought your listing got the message across since you clarified it in your message prior to invoicing. why else would you need to specify again if it was clear what was being sold? why would we need "evidence" that you have socks? wtf? talk about something "which doesn't make any sense"...

also where are you "having things sent" wtf? just pack it up yourself and write the address on the box? a box costs less than a dollar at walmart... ?

>>10449148
>also where are you "having things sent" wtf?
This is also what I'm most confused about, it sounds like they're... sending them to a third party? Who then sends them to the buyer? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, posting things is not a difficult or particularly expensive task that is made easier by using a intermediary. It's just a clear attempt at passing blame off on someone else.

>>10449096
Are you using your company's/your job's courier...? uh lol

like what's stopping you from getting your own boxes and printing or writing your own labels?

I'm really glad anon outed you bc I will never ever buy from you and I hope you won't buy anything I sell.

>>10449151
this. i have never heard of this kind of thing. wealthy people use their secretary or maids, and every one else prints out their own.

>>10449096
Your new listing is so aggressive? No one looking at that listing cares if the buyer didn’t read and it makes you seem really unpleasant. You just sound like you’re taking it out on the previous buyer, and making it look like it was totally their fault and not yours for being misleading. It looks like you have enough experience on LM to know how to set up a proper listing without misleading pictures. And you know no one would care for that set and click without seeing the clickbait picture. You were hoping they would get misled and pay it anyway. That’s why you’re mad.

>>10449163
Seriously. "you get more bees with honey" as they say. if anything, you're shooting yourself in the foot scamchan - potential buyers will shy away from you for being so difficult to work with

>>10449148
I never said I was calling them out. I don't know if there was a miscommunication there. I said I would leave negative/ neutral feedback. That was it.

>>10449077
>I am on 4chan
>>10449083
>am not sure what you are referring to

Who told you that you were getting torn apart on 4chan? It's obvious you've never been here before, or you would at least know how replies work.

Congratulations though. You've now landed on all of our blacklists and will be avoided by many others simply watching this conversation. You obviously do not feel sorry - you wouldn't threaten to give negative feedback, or call out the buyer in your new listing if you actually felt remose. You regret nothing and still think you did nothing wrong. You're a scammer and you used a clickbait image just to humble brag about your collection. You knew from the start that no one would want those accessories in the black colorway for $75. Have a nice life.

>>10449151
I am not passing blame to anyone. I use a shipping company to ship my items. I think if you read above I gave an explanation. I give them the information and I try my best to check before the package goes out.

>>10449163
I am not mad. You guys are taking way beyond here. I said I was at fault for the picture. I am just setting things straight. I did apologize.

>>10449156
I don't use maids or anything of that sort. I go to the shipping company and they make the labels and I check before the items are shipped. I can miss things.

>>10449179
>>10449182
>>10449185
>putting all your replies in separate posts.

Again, it's clear you've never been here before. You came here for damage control. Stop trying to defend yourself because it's obvious all you want to do is repair your image so others will buy from you.

>>10449185
you keep saying shipping company but won't say what one. hmmm.

>>10449190

Because she knows she'll get called out for lying if she names one anyone is familiar enough with to debunk her stupid claims.

>>10449163
exactly. she knows no one wants shitty dbr black tights.

>>10449177
I am not on here often. I only browse to see if I can help people find there wishlist items or dream items while I am searching for my own stuff.
* I don't know where this miscommunication is coming from of threatening is coming from.
*I am not being torn apart by anyone. I am just here to clear up any misunderstandings. If people don't want to buy from me that is fine, since that is each individuals choice to make. I can not control that. I never had issues with anyone till this incident.
* I even did send a message before I sent the invoice as well to get confirmation that they knew what they were paying for and bought.
*I did say I made the mistake of the first picture as well. I did point that out. I am not sure what more there is too it.

Small question about a seller
Is Innocentgrey trustable on Lace Market? She keeps posting dresses and mentions that the dresses are from ClosetChild but never worn. Is it safe to assume that she's purchasing cheap dresses and selling them for a marked up price?

>>10449193
>too

also no one types like this in DD threads, retard.

>>10449196
it would depend on the items and prices but probably yeah.

>>10449193
Just take your L and leave bro
Its obvious you were trying to scam people and no matter how you spin it, you were really rude to the person who accidentally bought your listing.

Everyone saw the original listing, the message you sent to the buyer, and the listing you made after and everyone has unanimously agreed that you were rude. There's no misunderstanding, its crystal clear what happened, just accept that you fucked up and try to be better next time.

>>10449176
you literally called them out in the updated listing, the old listing still has the buyer on your lm page so literally anyone can go look to see who it was. threatening them with bad feedback is also ridiculous considering this was your listing.

>Dreamy Baby Room is new without tag. Never been worn. I took it out of the packaging years ago when I got it with the dress set. I have no use for it, since it doesn't go with any of my dresses anymore. Further evidence of tights are in my picture of otks and tights when I was reorganizing.

also being a seller and not scamming means nothing when you look at some of the prolific scammers in the community.

>>10449198
I am on my phone, so there will be typos. I am finished up here now though. I know this place is quite relentless.
I don't plan on changing anyone's mind and I am not blaming the buyer for the misunderstanding. I am not screaming or thrashing at people either. That's all. I just talked it out as civil as possible. People can take it as they wish. :)

>>10449210

Just know you made everything worse by having a nasty attitude in private when you couldn't cheat someone out of money and then pretending to be a lolita lovely and blaming "shipping companies for your other poor selling behavior on top of that.

I'm sure many people here will never buy or sell to your shady ass now.

>>10449210
People here aren't simply "harsh" we are truthful, bitch. My entire comm is blacklisting you btw. All you needed to do to not look like a sketchy idiot was put the name of the item in the fucking listing title like a normal seller, or you know like ALL YOUR OTHER LISTINGS.

>>10449191
Obviously, kek. She says all in her ToS she ships with USPS, and USPS barely delivers mail let alone goes the extra mile to label packages.

>>10449215

They'll label your package if you go directly to the post office, but they have you wrap your own stuff up; they don't add packaging for you so the packaging was her responsibility.

>>10449217
no i am imagining her going to the post office with just the dress and then freaking out and wrapping it in plastic before handing it to the employee.

>>10449196
Not necessarily, look for items on CC on the site and yahoo japan auctions, and consider if there were ss fees needed.

I used to only buy secondhand and sell what didn't fit or look good for the same price I paid with a few bucks extra for shipping occasionally

The usps automated label stations will print the address you put in but you have to write the recipient name yourself. At the desk you have to have it pre addresses bc the clerk just puts the stamp on it. So she's an idiot and a lazy one at that

How about this? Every single lot has 1 piece of AP jewelry and everything else in it is off brand. Of course the brand is listed as angelic pretty.

>>10449223

At the desk at some places they ask you to write the address and stuff there and then they may confirm on the till for you to make sure it is correct. And on top of that, PayPal has a USPS label calculator and printer that has the person's PayPal name and address as THEY entered, so if you really wanted to make sure you could do that and never have issues with spelling or typos and then drop it right off.

You're correct that she's both lazy and dumb (and also more likely just an outright liar). Reallly lazy and dumb. There were so many ways for her to get it right and no blame is due to the post office in any logical scenario.

>>10449230

Idk if you read the listing but she also said she doesn't separate the sets. She wants to pawn off offbrand shit to people by taking advantage of their desire to buy AP. She should just donate the kid's jewelry looking shit and sell just the AP and decent offbrand in its own lot or separately for the brand with no BIN and would probably make a good amount.

>>10449230
>>10449232

I think if the lots had a more apparent theme rather than just the person trying to spread out their AP amongst random non brand items to make a buck they'd be less annoying.

Still better than scammy-sock-chan, though.

>>10449232
>implying those ap pieces don't also look like kid's jewelry from claires

>>10449238

Sometimes I agree with that statement/meme but the size and quality difference is obvious for all that jewelry except the few that look like Etsy/indie pieces VS dirt cheap shit.

>>10448850
if it did, it would say edited by LM mod iirc

>>10449230
She’s a Chinese scalper with at least three lm accounts

>>10449258

Which three so I can avoid them?

>>10449262
Littlebubble, this one and uulove (the newest one), the account plmzaq is probably her as well, if not that will be her friend as she used that account to fake feedbacks for uulove.

>>10449268

Thanks! I think I bought from plmzaq before and then saw they were on LMs ban list but still selling. May have been another usrname with similar characters though.

>>10449274
I don’t think she’s banned, she claimed that she got approved by mod for reselling shit from lm. Someone I know bought a piece from plmzaq but then later found out she bought that piece under the account littlebubble for a quarter of what she paid.

>>10449222
I’d usually agree but she has at least 10 dress listings. Did all 10 not fit? Is she dumb and not check the measurements?

>>10449298
Weight gain?

>>10449298
some people binge-buy stuff for endorphins and then never wear it. it's happened to me more than a few times.

>>10449238
they don't

>>10449230
When people are sour grapes about AP jewelry and look for offbrand. I went through the same thing as a noob. AP is high quality, cute and detailed, offbrand looks like actual kid jewelry

>>10449372
not all of it does if the company understands what makes AP good.

>>10449355
>>10449372
y'all really think that bracelet in the third listing looks like adult women jewelry? come on now

>>10449382
Does any sweet lolita look like adult women clothes by normie standards?
That's not really the argument here.

>>10449185
What the fuck is even wrong with you. You are so condescending and acting like you are above the drama YOU are causing.

Your listing was not clear, plain and simple. Being a good seller means you are crystal clear with your listings. There is no reason to post a heap of other items in a listing for 2 items. Are you new??

And then you have the audacity to threaten to leave bad feedback and post a passive aggressive note in your new listing... jesus. Obviously it was not clear since in your "I sent the invoice" message you had to clarify what the items were for. You owe this poor buyer an apology.

You seem absolutely unprofessional and like a nightmare to deal with. (Shipping company? "Lol" nice lie.) I hope trying to scam someone out of $75 is a hill worth dying on to you. You just gave yourself a horrible reputation.

>>10449505
>"Shipping company"
>Lie
What do you mean, you DON'T have a shipping company that helps you to sell your used socks online??

>>10449505
what's funny is she lowered the listing to 60 so she did this for 15$.

>>10449505
(Shipping company? "Lol" nice lie.)
Nice role play. And learn how to read next time so you don’t have to be a nuisance to sellers in the future, entitled trash.

>>10449385
this. there's nuance in sweet jewelry vs actual jewelry for kids, sure, but it's not that much of a difference.

>>10449529
Here it is, your true colors.

>>10449382
It's doesn't look the Claire's jewelry. That's what they claimed.

>>10448775

That is wild, anon. Its so easy to make shipping labels in paypal and print them without any possible error so the seller has no excuse. Did she handwrite it incorrectly or what? I know they won't let you post something without a name.

>>10449529
you don't know how to greentext but sure, you use 4chan right? >>10449077

>>10449572
What this person wrote is a lie. I am sorry, but all my packages have had names and addresses on them. If there was such an incident I would have known about it and would have done everything in my power to make it right.

>>10449532
It is not me.

>>10449580
Lmfao they're not talking about you scam-chan. But nice proving once again you don't know how to use 4chan.

>>10449581
That's funny considering you're responding to everything else ITT even when it's about other sellers.

>>10448776

cant tell if furry or horsegirl

>>10449582
I already admitted I didn't use it often. I merely reply to peoples wishlist items/dream items if I see it and move along if I see it online.
>>10449584
I just got on now.
>>10449585
Neither.

>>10449585
can't it be both?

>>10449588
pic related is you!

>>10448856
>>10448694

Did you leave a negative or neutral? Thats really what this thread is about. I would leave a neutral in that circumstance if everything else about the transaction was alright but if something else happened then negative

>>10449585

My first vibe from reading this was also horsegirl

>>10449595
she seems like a run of the mill "lolitas should be x" types who is up her own ass.

>>10448775
>*As for the label being plastered on was not my doing but the company that shipped the items. They had put the labels on the package not me. I just give them the information and they make the labels. The labels as I stated again are not done by me so if they miss-pell or things are missing I did not do that. I do try my best to make sure everything is clear and precise but things do happen.

I'm dead lost, sock-anon. Are you saying that this poster here describing another seller not putting a name on the package was also you?

>>10448775

This thread is not only about you and until you started talking about labels I was under the impression this was not about you.

Get out of the thread, please, because you are needlessly derailing to the point of trolling.

>>10449588
A proof photo would be a piece of paper with your username with the thing you are selling. Your giant otk collection is not a proof pic. That could be anyone's sock collection.

>>10449603
I think she just doesn't understand the site, even though she claims to post in DD threads (probably trying to suck up as she is claiming to help many anons by scouring for their DDs and posting them)

>>10449604
if you read the quote here >>10449208 she listed it as further evidence of her tights. as if we needed evidence of her tights not included in the listing.

>>10449603
I was mistaken and it was not me. I apologize.

>>10449611
how many times do we have to tell you to stop. this isn't a way to redeem yourself since there's nothing to prove. we have all the caps and made our own opinions on it.

>>10449612
I understand.

OP here from >>10448676

I did not expect this all to blow up so much, I just wanted to get some advice on how to deal with this situation, the last thing I expected was the seller to come on here (not sure how they found out since I never made any public posts about this)

To everyone replying and giving their two cents on this: thank you for all your input and letting the seller know why I had a problem with this listing at first. Just let it go for now and keep an eye out for them in the future, it’s not worth the energy to keep typing at someone who doesn’t want to accept fault.

To the seller: just stop. We both messed up, I’ve owned it and moved on now, making sure to properly read listings from now on to make sure there’s no ‘read between the lines’ situation from now on. I already left you proper feedback and messaged a mod about you and you’re only making yourself look worse by trying to defend what you did. Just learn from this and don’t do this again in the future.

>>10449077
Congratulations, just from seeing all the crap you've pulled on other people from this thread alone, you're now on my seller blacklist and I will never buy from you

>>10449695

Same. I hope she gets passed over for a DD.

I guess she doesn't need a dress anyway, she has all the socks in in the world that she felt like she had to prove she owns.

>>10447808
I got a dress recently that was shoved in a tiny box. The lace got bent and doesn't stand nicely anymore. It's an older piece so I have to be very careful getting the wrinkles out without getting it wet.

>>10449784

Is it going to fall apart if you steam it a little? Pinning it in place how you wabt it and light steam or ironing or something should help if you can get it wet at all.

I don't think I could handle buying a piece that I can't wash or at least get dry cleaned. At that point you can't wear and enjoy it.

>>10449784
Is the dress made of paper? It should be fine unless you're one of those slobs who don't wash their clothes because it's "delicate"

>>10449620
You know, I'm siding with the seller on this one. She's obviously a lolita with a large wardrobe who assumes anyone looking at her listing would know the name of the print series. Is it confusing...I guess? But not really??

Her first picture had a circle around the item she was selling and then she followed it up with the actual item pictures. I think you just panicked about the price of two small items and then got mad because you didn't read the listing properly. I feel like it's on you anon. Shame on you..you got a bunch of other anons to white knight for you and got a seller shitted on for selling stuff she wants to unload. To you other anons, what is selling?! Of course you throw in a good piece with mostly shitty stuff... that's how you sell things you don't want anymore. That's Selling 101. Y'all crazy...

>>10449875
You're the one wking

She put a picture of all of her socks for the listing and the description was a big vague mish mash of talking about her sock collection and those two items
Its obvious to literally anyone but you that she was trying to scam people into paying 75 dollars for mismatching socks and hair clips in the least popular colorway.. come on

>>10449875
Why didn't she put a picture of just the two items for listing instead of her whole ass sock collection except to be misleading? What is the purpose of showing "proof" of her itmes that she wasn't selling?
Please answer those questions, you're naive to think she wasn't intentionally being misleading.

>>10449875
Even the circle was done to be as discreet as possible. Seller was obviously hoping people wouldn't notice it.

>>10449875
Regardless of whose fault it was initially, there was literally no reason for the seller to post about how the buyer 'couldn't read' when they first reposted the listing. Anyone can go to their profile and read the reviews to see who they're talking about. Unnecessary and rude.

>>10449878
>>10449881
>>10449884
>>10449885
Fucking get over it at this point damn

>>10449886
Other anon (or you) brought it up, you expect people not to respond to that? Lol don't bring something up if you don't want to discuss it

>>10447780
I wish there was a time limit for sellers to leave feedback. If they have their money the buyer did their part and they shouldn't be given a chance to leave retaliatory feedback. Moderation on Lacemarket is sort of lax though and they don't seem to watch the site or enforce much. I have almost no feedback but I always leave it.

>>10449887
Just get over it

>>10449888
Seriously LM mods are pretty shit

>>10449892

Nah. Its your fault that you made yourself sound like a retard when you brought up the situation, now you sound even more idiotic bringing it up and then complaining that people are talking about it. Follow your own advice, retard.

>>10449893
It took a week for them to verify me and they left me on read for days when I first asked them to verify my account. They really suck ass.

>>10449875
>>10449892
If you want to blindly support the seller this much, please go buy the worthless accessories in her listing and take them off LM for us.

In all honestly you're probably one of her friends trying to do damage control again.

Also pro tip - if you're personally sick of people having a conversation and want it to end, maybe don't resurrect the topic by posting about it.

>>10449888
Wrong, buyers have like 180 days to make a PayPal claim. I'm not leaving a buyer feedback early when they can then make a claim against me. If I wait, it's insurance against fuckery

>>10449960

Do buyers scam that much? I've bought and sold on LM and never had issues with buyers, only sellers. Everyone who bought from me was super nice and kind and if I ever messed up as a seller an shad to delay shipping due to something unexpected or anything they were super nice and understanding. Shady sellers lying about damage or trying to scam me or absent ones never responding to messages or taking forever to invoice were super common for me as a buyer though.

>>10450010
I have had buyers claim damage that I know didn't exist like smoke smell when I'm a nonsmoker nor does anyone I associate with smoke, broken or missing on items that were not before I sent them out (*cough cough* buyer caused damages), and leave poor feedback for size not fitting after taking careful measurements

>>10450010
You must be lucky, most of my friends had issues with buyers ghosting or buyers who would whine about it being lost after just a week in transit. Main issue I had was people who would whine about the shipping costs, like the listing says contact me for the costs. On the other hand I never had issues with sellers.

>>10450015

Maybe I am lucky. My worst issues with sellers was undisclosed damage here and there and weird smelling garments. Once bought an awesome AP OP that arrived smelling like mildewed laundry that wasn't dried properly and was damp, but it didn't seem to cause any severe damage so I washed and dried it like all my secondhand items and it was fine. I didn't leave any feedback because I was worried the seller would leave retaliatory feedback.

I always avoid leaving feedback for sellers first because of that fear, especially when there's an issue. I have even consented to mod adjusted feedback for sellers who I initially left negative for when they didn't disclose/minimized the amount of damage on an item in messages after I'd already purchased and they never brought it up in the listing. I agreed to it because they kept pressuring me and claiming they really didn't notice the damage and I feared they'd get mean if I didn't comply.

Being a buyer is frustrating because I know how it can be to sell and I want to cut people slack but don't want to deal with manipulative people too.

Of course the vast majority of my LM experiences are positive or not out of the ordinary. Those bad ones just stick out more.

>>10449529
I wasn't the one who bought the listing, you single brain celled organism. It's easy to see how BS this from any perspective.

OP here and thank you all for a lively thread. It seems there could be an issue further than inconsistent feedback guidelines when it comes to retalitory feedback. And how the WORKSAFE does someone not get banned from the site with -15 feedback and countless neutrals??

> Who built the site and who are the mods?
> How does one apply or is it not open applications?

I don't claim that eglcommsales was a free of bias but at least I knew the mods were active in the community and information was centralized.

>>10450055
I wish we knew who the mods are, bc they're absolute shit and need to be called out. But pretty sure they're all anon

Thanks for reminding me again why selling locally is the best alternative.

>>10448852
She is 100% right though and mentioned it's for the Dreamy Baby Room items both in her description, name and even circled it in the first picture. I'm ESL and even I understood it on the first read. Wtf is wrong with you speedreaders? Did social media fry your attention span this much already? Even when your money ison the line?

>inb4 hi x
No, I'm just flabbergasted about a new low.

>>10450179
here's your (You)

>>10449875
>a bunch of other anons to white knight for you
It's very obvious samefagging.

>>10450183
? That's not how you use that meme.

>>10449893
I asked the mods to delete my account and it took them 5 or so months to say they deleted my account. It wasn’t deleted so emailed them again for them to take 2 months to say to contact them with the email on file. I did immediately and then it took them 3 months to delete it.

>>10450211
it's for calling out bait, retard.

>>10448852
Ha, because you are an idiot!

>>10450179
>>10450412
Quit samefagging, dumbass

>>10450414
O-kay bro. God forbid more than one person who oposes your point of view exists. But you do you.

>>10449881
Probably part of a wardrobe post and then took the socks/barette to take pictures of separately for the actual sale post? Come on, thinking isn't this hard anons.

>>10450421
this makes zero sense anon.

>>10449884
And she clarified by attaching two other pictures of the actual sale items. Unless you just check the first pic and don't scroll the others (highly unlikely), the next logical step is to message the seller first to if you're confused about something. Ergo, buyer's fault.

>>10450427
I know, critical thinking is hard. You'll get there anon.

>>10450435
no, it makes no sense for her to add a random picture of other tights to the listing, then put in the listing description "further proof of tights". she also purposely didn't write the print name in the listing, despite doing so for all her other listings. the entire listing was written poorly.

>>10450438
Sellers do this all the time. It's like saying "OTK Socks" on a listing, putting a picture of a coord photo, then the actual pictures of the socks and the name in the description. You know that the coord itself isn't for sale but it's proof that they have it. She circled the socks in the picture but the buyer missed it and assumed it was the whole thing. That doesn't explain how they missed the other two pictures and why she didn't ask questions before buying.

>>10450449
randomass socks aren't a set. why are you still here defending yourself? you're an idiot, move on.

>>10450449
Sellers who do that don't add deceptive lines about unrelated items. This isn't comparable and you know it.

>>10450456
Disagree. There are some wordy sellers out there and she's one of the ramblers. Again, the description (minus word garbage) is pretty clear that only two items are being sold. Fault of the buyer for not checking pictures and reading through.

>>10450462
It wasn't that clear and it still doesn't excuse her being a total cunt after the fact.

>>10450453
Correct, it would be called a "lot". But people use "set" so that adds to the confusion. Regardless, buyer is still at fault no matter how you look at it.

>>10450464
If you're new, yes it isn't. I think any seller would be a total cunt if someone backs out of a sale because the buyer didn't ask questions or read the description properly. I actually read her tone more like
highly irritated than cunty.

>>10450470
Calling her out publicly in the next listing was uncalled for tho. People fuck up sometimes, doesn't mean you need to be an asshole about it.

>>10450470
glad you missed her spergout.

>>10450474
True. But other than learning about previous drama on forums like cgl, how often do people look at other people's past listings? I don't, personally. My main focus when it comes to buying is pictures, description, measurements, shipping, and seller feedback. Unless I look at completed listings to price check something, then I probably wouldn't care to go back to the original listing to see who bought it prior.

>>10450470
This

>>10449960
Then collect evidence, that is on you to defend yourself. How hard is it to get a tracking number and take pictures/video of the item and mailing process? Insure that the buyer can't scam you. You not leaving prompt feedback is considered feedback extortion. I'd say this is on the moderation team; if you felt they could be trusted you would rely on them to allow for changes but clearly they are unreliable.

It would be nice if we had am option to save a personal list of people we don't want to do business with.

Has anyone had issues with mintkismet? I bought an item from them a week ago and the seller took 5 days to send the invoice. she read the messages but didn't respond for days. she said she'll let me know when she ships it out and it's already almost wednesday.

>>10450511
mint kismet was shit that’s why i stopped using her two years ago

>>10450511

Even Tenshi had been a bit slower, presumably because of being busy.

>>10450304
Posting something you don't like isnot automatically bait.

>>10450414
>no u
Grow up.

>>10450528
close your tabs anon

>>10450438
Better tell that to all the people with their wardrobe in the background, right? What do you mean they aren't selling their whole wardrobe for $200? It's on the picture!

>>10450501
Extortion? Lmfao are you retarded? No one owes feedback. I don't threaten my buyers, I am just careful to avoid getting scammed

>>10450529
NEVER

>>10450501
Some buyers get super pissy and start sending you rude messages if the item takes more than like four days to get to them, even if they’re on a completely different continent and you clearly state it will take longer than that. In those cases I want to leave a negative or neutral feedback, and I can’t do that if I leave them feedback as soon as they pay. Also, even if I can prove myself to PayPal they can file a chargeback with their credit card, and either way they will still have a positive feedback in their history, making it easier for them to scam other sellers. You just sound like a shitty buyer honestly

>>10450541

I get it from a seller side too but I have never had any shitty buyers in the history of selling. I've only sold maybe 20 items tops in my entire history as a lolita on LM though. Maybe if you're someone who sells more you'll come across scammy buyers more often? I have had really low effort or downright bad sellers regularly that I feel afraid to leave negative feedback for or I worry the seller will randomly take offense to something like requesting a tracking number if they don't add it in paypal or something and leave bad feedback. I leave feedback for good sellers upon request if they've left me some before asking. But at the point that people have like over 50 feedbacks that are positive caring so much about feedback seems like a waste of time if you're not new and trying to build it up. Plus leaving feedback means people are able to snoop around in your purchase history which I kinda hate :/

>>10450541
>>10450545

Also nayrt if it wasn't easy to tell

>>10450511
I haven’t but I stopped using her for a while and switched to Tenshi who is a bit more reliable and consistent

Apparently one of my posts about the seller in this thread was deleted, and then I was warned because it was a "community vendetta."

I'm pretty confused because I never called this person out by name or posted any links. Am I stupid? I was just joining in the conversation and expressing my displeasure at them.

I guess this is what I get for trying to clean up LM and keep sellers honest.

>>10450623
lmao she's reporting all the posts.

i bought a liz lisa skirt second hand and it came in a pizza box, and a pepperoni box at that. my family freaked out when they saw it (they are muzzies)
pic very related
not sure if i should find it funny or be really upset. i bought it off depop so im not really sure what to do

>>10450625
I was under the impression that vendetta posting is literally calling people out by name or posting links. I want to avoid getting reported/warned in the future, so I'm just wondering how I was actually at fault...

I'm actually pretty scared of reporting posts myself unless it's blatant spam ("all women should die" etc) because apparently reporting something wrong can also result in a warning or ban.

>>10450627
Can you review sellers on depop? I'd give a bad review.

>>10450631
i can but im not sure if it would count as the item is fine, just the box they sent it in is questionable.
i payed 30 euros so im a little shocked they'd send it in that

>>10450627
That's fucking wild, I'm sorry anon but I'm laughing so hard. I'm not sure how depop works but if you can write a review you could give the seller positive feedback but mention that you weren't happy with the shipping materials.

>>10450627
If the box wasn't dirty or flimsy I wouldn't leave a negative review, but definitely mention it and to the seller

>>10450627
Did he know you were muslim? Maybe from your name? If so he did it 100% on purpose to trigger you.

>>10450627
wtf there are germans on depop?

>>10450656
>Maybe from your name?
you do know muslim is not a race or ethnicity, right?

>>10450656
no, i have a very common full english name as i'm mixed race. i just think they were kinda rude. they also put the skirt in a food zip lock bag

>>10450748
very extrange then

>>10450748
very strange then

>>10450631
that is what vendetta posting is, the mods on this board are just stupid.

>>10450748
Yeah, they're probably just an idiot

>>10450627
I've actually seen the new funny "meme" thing to do on depop might be send shit in food boxes for some god forsaken reason. A few people have gotten their shit in chicken nugget boxes.

>>10450771
>that is what vendetta posting is, the mods on this board are just stupid.
mods only watch out for certain people like the idol threads or tyler and lor

>>10450854
yuuuup. it's always been like this. i remember we had a fat lolita mod who would delete anything about weight. positive or negative. like you couldn't post about weight-loss even.

>>10450859
fuck thats annoying. try to talk trash about specific 'idols' aka fat ass westerners larping as japanese women
all the deluded idols need to go to /jp/

>>10450859
fuck thats annoying. try to talk trash about specific 'idols' aka fat ass westerners larping as japanese women and you get banned. one of the texas idols fucked men for money and if she gets called out with proof of messages from her ex everyone defends the thottery and reports until banned
all the deluded idols need to go to /jp/

>>10450839
God depop sounds like a shithole

>>10450839
But that’s greasy

People are really riding the Milky Planet scalping train, trying to sell this faded as fuck dress for $320 and pretending to have no idea if it was originally like this.

>>10450862
the idol threads are awful imo, they have no fans other than other idols and the threads are always full of dumb drama.

>>10451315
This looks so bad and probably looks worse in person

>>10450859
How do we find out who the mods are? I thought the mods were anonymous.

>>10451330
not sure about now but the board culture was totally different when we had tripfags. people knew each other and interacted more irl.

>>10451315
no anon, it has a tag so it's NWT, what are you talking about

>>10451315
“Like a starry night” bitch this is the ugliest fading I’ve ever seen

>>10451315
This listing is such a scam. I saw the same faded as fuck MP on Mercari a few weeks ago for about $100 less. I'm sure she bought that one thinking she could flip it. "been in my closet a long time" Yeah, okay. I've been after this dress for a bit so I had the listing saved. It's been deleted now though.
https://www.mercari.com/jp/items/m66775596014/

She already sold it to someone, looks like they backed out:
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/nwt-ap-milky-planet-jsk-d45af5f3-fe60-4612-818a-b67361131e5c

>>10451377
she's definitely trying to trick some newbie. her description sounds like she's acting like it's an intentional gradient like misty sky special set.

>>10451377
All of this girl’s listings are overpriced. She’s had dresses I’m interested in but for at least twice the market price.

>>10451334
I don’t know what tripfags are. But I remember people would post their locations and hang out here. It was quite strange.

>>10451394
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/ap-diner-doll-jsk-kc-in-pink
>$750
Fuck people like this

>>10451398
Yikes, and there’s a girl in the comments asking about shipping and payment plans. I want to tell the poor thing to run, the dress isn’t worth near that much. I agree with you, fuck the seller

>>10451398
>>10451403
Unfortunately Diner Doll in mint went for a crazy price a few days ago, so Faded-chan is hoping lightning strikes twice.
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/ap-diner-doll-jsk-mint

>>10451398
>>10451403
>>10451406

Faded-chan initially started the auction at $600, with a BIN of $750 (got an alert from LM since it was on my watchlist). Now it's starting at $750, with a $800 BIN. Seems like she's increasing prices whenever she sees interest forming.

>>10451409
So she’s like French ana-chan then, who tried to list the lollipop necklace for a crazy high price once the other one got sold for almost $400. Buyers decide market price but there’s such a thing as outliers which this girl clearly doesn’t get, especially since mint Diner Doll has always been way more popular than pink.

>>10451394
I’ve also been wondering about this seller. I swear I’ve seen her sell 3+ Melty Cream Donut jsks over the past month.

Straight up delusional

>>10451441
>original price $615 BIN
>account is new I’m guessing because the little feedback amount
I doubt this person wears any j fashion and buys it to make profit

>>10451441
This wasn't even hard to get, I looked at it a few times before deciding not to buy. It was up for at least a week

>>10451458
The pochette and ears and tail set are both still in stock. She might be able to sell this for retail but even that’s probably a stretch

>>10451377
It looks like someone bought it and backed out again, she relisted for a third time with the comment "serious buyers only"

>>10451847
It’s possible people are buying it just to troll her and if so that’s great

>>10451847
Calling it New with Tags is somewhat misleading. It has tags, but it’s not exactly new and it’s faded.

>>10451847
The listing was actually deleted since you can’t find it on the search history.

>>10450854
I’ve gotten a temp ban just for mentioning lor & Tyler, not even saying anything bad, just that their videos are watched by a lot of non-lolitas and they probably bring in a lot of non-lolitas into our online communities by telling people about them. That’s it, that’s all I said and I caught a 3 day ban

>>10451847

She put in the listing "People won't think it's damage" lol when it is clearly damage and her statement shows she knows it is but "technically" it's new. You know a dress is fucked or a seller is shady when no one wants to bid on Milky Planet of all pieces for $100.

>>10451858

Yikes, the seller bumped the price up to $300 since I initially saw. I wish I'd bid on it for $100 to force them to keep the same listing up and worst case scenario get a cheap damaged dress to make masks from.

>>10451856
Probably because someone commented if they could get it cheaper since it's so damaged.
I noticed she deletes her listings and makes new ones for almost every dress.
I was following MCD to see if she would drop the price but the page no longer exists and days later I saw her list a new one.

>>10451857
Same it was really fucking dumb because I didn’t insult either lor nor Tyler

>>10451881
I was eyeing a blouse from her that kept getting reposted, I decided not to buy it because it was so annoying. Does she do it to bump her stuff to the front page?

>>10451881
Somebody should just keep commenting to fuck with her

>>10451398
>>10451403
>>10451406
>>10451409
>>10451411
Well lightning did strike again for Faded-chan. Her BIN increased from $800 to $820 and seems like it was the poor girl in the comments who purchased it on a payment plan.

>>10451847
I noticed that listing got deleted, so likely no one even bought it.

>>10451858
>>10451866
I initially saw the new listing for $100, fucked that someone bid on it for $301. Can't stop newbies being new and stupid. That level of fading is worth maybe $80. Makes no difference if it has tags or not.

>>10451881
iirc the comment was asking about if Faded-chan would be open to offers, but maybe if it mentioned damage that's why they deleted it. She really seems to be pushing the "lol idk how this happened, it looks like a ~~~starry sky~~~" narrative pretty hard.

>>10452121
Dumb as fuck but again, you can't stop stupid. I can't believe someone is shelling out nearly a grand for Diner Doll

Once I bought something from an e-famous lolita that had some serious undisclosed damages. I don't want to say anymore because I know she lurks here and I don't want to out myself.

>>10452128
Cool story bro

>>10452124
Someone bid on Faded-chan's MP.

>>10452128
Similar happened to me

>>10452128
Literally nobody cares at all. These stories get posted constantly and magically nobody ever names names. Fuck off.

>>10452128
Was it K8? I remember reading how her dresses smell of BO covered heavily in perfume.

>>10452134
K8 is disgusting, she never washes her shit before shipping it out

Not OP, but can confirm. My purchase from k8 just obliterates the stereotype that girls are cleaner lololol, I bought from a brolita that everyone shit on and it was pristine.

>>10452131
well here's the thing folks, if someone paid for it then I guess the price is not too high. I'm not gonna be buying and I do hate the "nwt" BS I see but we're talking about dresses not insulin.
There are clear pictures of the damage, so people can decide how mch they want to pay. It's not like that girl who tried to sell a replica sugary carnival JSK as legit a few weeks ago, then claimed she had no idea it was a replica, like there wasnt a whole ass replica tag in there...

>>10452278
But yeah, just because you still physically have the tags doesn't mean it's nwt. From LM guidelines:

"New With Tag: Self-explanatory, Item must be in new condition with tag and/or packaging included. Item must be unworn, original sales condition"

I bought this one op nwt for $300, just to have it arrive with makeup along the collar,. Even though the tags had been re-attached, it had clearly been worn and I hate that shit.

>>10452278
honestly i don't agree with this. blatant scamming is really shitty but being sneaky or deceptive on purpose is even worse. this seller is trying to hype up her faded coloway like it's some fancy gradient special as a trick, but she technically can't get in trouble. shitty loopholes like this are why lm is so bad.

>>10452284

The listing should be reported. It is clearly not NWT. It's old and faded with tags. Not in sale/New condition.

Eeeem listing it as "Good" condition and not blatantly addressing the color running as a damage should be grounds for a warning or post correction. If she keeps reposting the same dress to hide comments regarding the damage its a serious evasion.

>>10452281
Maybe it's just cause I'm very familiar with AP, but the gradient thing doesn't seem too deceptive to me.

Like I guess my thoughts are if she was really trying to be deceitful, why mention it all? It's not so severe in the images that she would have to address it because at first glance it just looks like a shadow in the picture. English is also not her first language so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, at least to the degree that I'm not going to go out of my way to harass her on LM.

The nwt thing is shady when combined with it but imo the description isn't particularly bad.

The only times I ever directly confronted someone on LM were:
1. Replica sugary carnival chan
2. This jerk who bought my dress, tried to claim damage that definitely wasn't there when I sent it, then tried to sell it herself NWT. BAKA.

Just curious, what are things you guys called people out for directly on LM?

>>10452314
The kumya scalper who claimed she “accidentally” bought twenty strawberry kumyas.

>>10452316

Yeah she totally "accidentally" bought 2p strawberry kumyas and multiples of every limited Kumya ever listed at a scalped price and they are all NWT.

>>10452316
FWIW I accidentally bought 11 pairs of AP socks once lol but you'd have to put a lot of effort into getting that many of an exclusive item like that.

>>10452314
This one bitch in my comments tried to call me a scalper for charging $25 for international shipping. I posted the rudest thing I think I've ever posted online lol

>>10452319

God I hate it when people have no idea what things actually cost. International shipping is always a lot for most items and if the cost is too much then they should just not buy the damn item and let someone less whiny purchase it.

>>10452314
I got called out by this sea cow for marking an AP JSK with 100cm waist as plus size friendly. Then, like the petty bitch I am, I went through her listings and reported all her TaoBao crap that she had marked as various brands in order to get around the 3 item limit. Not direct, but still felt good.

>>10452321
I was so annoyed. Literally. That is less than the actual cost. I was doing YOU a favor. A-hole.

>>10452322
100 cm IS plus size friendly what

>>10452324
Right? I think the standard AP waist is 78 cm for skirts and items without shirring. MAYBE up to 88cm on items with partial shirring. 100 cm is huge by Japanese standards.

Do you all ever get messages complaining that an item doesn't fit? I'm not talking about after purchase, I'm talking about items that are still active.

Last month I got two messages from randos complaining about the sizing of a brand dress I listed real cheap.

Bitch I didn't sew it why you messaging me about it.

>>10452322
What AP dress is that huge??

>>10452331
dream marine, diner doll, misty sky, chateau d'ecume was close iirc, castle mirage off the top of my head

almost all, if not all, the recent high-waisted releases

some normal JSKs sprinkled throughout their history

>>10452331
dream marine, diner doll, misty sky, chateau d'ecume was close iirc, castle mirage off the top of my head
almost all, if not all, the recent high-waisted releases
some normal JSKs sprinkled throughout their history

>>10452331
Melty cream donut or dreamy planetarium maybe

>>10452319
I don't even bother offering international anymore. They are always so rude and demanding, wanting sellers to mark down and use uninsured shipping

>>10452343
Agreed, I had someone tell me I was scamming her because I was charging $60 to ship internationally. I linked her to the USPS quotes page and she shut up after that.

>>10452318
I would love to know the story behind this

>>10452326
It’s plus size by American standards, too. It’s like a size 18-20. I know people personally who are that size and both they and everyone around them would say they are plus. Are they high?

You have got to be kidding

>>10452364
FUCK this scalper

Is there something wrong with the sugary carnival lavender OP thats up for sale right now? I thought it would have sold by now. I'm debating on buying or waiting for the one I really want (jsk)

>>10452338
That’s because the waist are so high the “waists” are around the rib cage. They gotta be bigger

>>10452364
I just knew one of you was going to post this, lmao.
Is the price ridiculous? Yes. Is complaining going to get you it? No.

>>10452368
Bruv it's what the thread is for. I honestly don't like this release at all but I feel badly for those who do.

Older releases I can almost understand being scalped. Less in circulation and better quality. This trashbag poly bullshit going for nearly $800? Sorry no, that's insane

>>10452366
Lav is less popular than sax and pink

>>10452348
my one key was sticky, and it was a reservation through my SS so it entered as 11 instead of 1 rip

>>10452364
HAHAHA sucks to suck, don't like it, buy it yourself then.

I'm so over this BS about the fact that things cost money. Yeah scalpers gonna scalp, but guess what? If nobody would pay that price scalpers couldn't list it that high.

Scalpers are the symptom, extreme demand, lack of supply, and grown-ass women willing to pay over $700 for frilly dress are the disease. As long as people will buy it, someone is going to be selling.

>>10452384
It's not even the fact that it costs money.
It's the fact that scalpers go in and buy almost all of them and then they're sold out.
This isn't retail. This is ~$200 over retail. I would be fine giving this money directly to AP, but I'm not fine giving it to scalpers.
Like an anon further up the thread said "older pieces are fine because they are more scarce and better quality".

>>10452409
Ok no, that's not how it works.

First of all, scalpers can't just "go in there and buy it all". There's a very limited system in place both online and in store and as a shopper I can tell you MTO's are the only way a scalper can guarantee the item.

I was at the Shinjuku store for this release. The line wrapped all the way down the entire staircase. Many people in line did not get a single dress and the line order is determined by random draw, so scalpers can't count on getting the items. This is part of the reason why the price is so high. We can't guarantee that we will get an item even after waiting in line for hours and hours and our time costs money. It's even more difficult to guarantee for online releases.

The demand was just so much higher than the supply, particularly for this release so yeah, that drives the price up. If I can only buy 1 dress for standing in line for 6 hours, yeah, there's gonna be one hell of a premium on that dress. Ironically, the big bad scalpers are the only reason many items make it to the USA at all because AP USA doesn't get shit.

>>10452331
Basically every special set JSK goes over 100 cm actually.

>>10452420
Unless you’re acting as an SS, there’s really nothing forcing you to wait several hours in line? Quit trying to justify your shitty “business”

>>10452424
Lol did you miss the part where I said I was a shopper?

and btw my "shitty business" funds not only my own expansive wardrobe but also my living expenses and education fees in Japan <3

It's the best part-time job I could hope for and have you know, my clients have always been extremely grateful for the service I provide. Just because you're broke and bitter doesn't make my source of income invalid; there's plenty of girls out there more than willing to pay my premium to get an item that they otherwise would have no chance at.

>>10452424
You're not entitled to a price you can afford any more than I am entitled to force people to pay up. The market defines the price, if you don't like it, choose a cheaper hobby.

>>10452426
This has nothing to do with us being broke and more about the fact that we lack the opportunity. Stop sounding like an entitled bitch, please.

>>10452430
Well then better yet. If money's not an issue why don't you buy your ticket to Japan, get a hotel, wait in line for 6 hours, try to manage the language barrier, and customs for just the chance of getting the item you want and see if that comes out any cheaper for you.

The only thing that changes if US scalpers go out of the picture is that there will be fewer items in the USA. People from all over the world are vying for these items, the cast majority are in Asia, and will only sell within Asia.

Like it or not, our services have value and the proof is in the pudding. I charged 550 for ice cream parlor JSK, and 380 for the salo. Both of my clients were thrilled to pay that price. If someone sells it for $700 I'm happy for them. Things are tight right now, and if someone has that much cash to throw around to help someone else's livelihood while buying into a status symbol they love, that's a win-win.

>>10452426
>my clients have always been extremely grateful
>I charged 550 for ice cream parlor JSK, and 380 for the salo
Imagine being this terrible of a person and your "clients" don't know how shitty you are. You're really wearing a mask here, anon. You're basically a scalper larping as a shopping service.

I'm so glad you aren't my SS, and I still manage to get 95% of the new release items I want with only a 5-10% fee.

>>10452434
>my own expansive wardrobe
>using a heart emoji
Weird flex, but okay?

Also, you're clearly not very smart posting your actual prices you charge on 4chan. Don't you have enough foresight to know someone is going to find out you're true personality here and inevitably feel disgusting about using you as an SS?

>>10452441
Then you're abusing their time and they aren't charging enough. Just because you know an artist who does $5 commissions doesn't mean that's the appropriate fee.

I know exactly how much I make on an item after customs, tax and shipping. I know exactly how long it will take me to get an item. I charge exactly the price that makes it worth it for me to go out and do all that on top of my other responsibilities. If someone pays it, great I've got a job. If not, I can't be bothered to go all the way out to Shinjuku to make $20.

%5-10 isn't appropriate for a tip for your waitress, let alone an appropriate rate for a personal shopper. For any major release, you're really praising the fact that you're paying someone $5 an hour, not even counting the time spent filling out customs and going to the post?

>>10452434
>550$ for ice cream jsk
>when you could just buy from a fril scalper for 100$ less
Big yikes. Good job profiting from retards though I guess.

>>10452446
Isn't that this whole ass thread?

>>10452445
Do I really need to explain to you that being an SS is, at best, elective self-employment and there's no laws about "minimum wage" there?

My SS sets their own fees. I'm not pressuring them to do anything. If they wanted to raise their fees, they would. But guess what? They make so much in volume of sales, they don't need to scalp people. And people are much, much happier in the end.

I don't even know what to say about your likening of an SS to a waitress/waiter, honestly. It's a non-comparison.

Also nice job posting your fees out in the open. Good to see that someone will inevitably see this here, realize your true personality and stop shopping from you. Because bragging about how big your wardrobe is from the sky-high fees you charge is pretty disgusting.

>>10452446
Best gif, anon.

>>10452445
Sorry that you can't get a respectable job, so instead you rip people off.

>>10452454
It's elective that's true, and I can charge whatever rates I want to. %5-10 is laughably little for me and the services I provide. The taxes I pay are literally higher than that fee. My fee is actually a good bit lower than US scalpers and the average rate of a personal shopper is between $100-$200 an hour.

I'm not at all concerned about my honesty. Let's be honest. No one in this community cares as long as you're selling something they want. People still buy from cherry and tons of other infamous scalpers on LM. It's a materialistic hobby. There are girls who'd pay $1000 for sugary carnival from Satan himself and say thank you on their way back out of hell.

>>10452455
Ah yes, what victims! However will they survive choosing to pay a high price for a hobby status symbol that is totally elective?

>>10452445
You realize that personal shopping services aren’t a real job, right? The respectable ones have real jobs and do this as a side gig more to help girls get dresses they love than to make money. It’s not about the money for them but it obviously is for you.

>>10452426
>Just because you're broke and bitter doesn't make my source of income invalid;
Bitch you're so desperate for money you're flipping dresses, you're not in the position to call anyone broke. I swear it really is always poorfags calling others poor and larping excessively.

>>10452426
People like you killed my interest in AP. When I can't get what I want in the in store lottery I just give up on it unless I see it used later

>>10452460

Cherry_sp mostly just mildly scalps bodyline for not much more than what it would be when not on sale after shipping anyway. Nobody really buys her brand.

Scalping isn't personal shopping.

>>10450854
They banned me for pointing out an op was using an image of a literal criminal. Like lmao ok, and the thread is still up too. Mods have brain damage or something

>>10452498
Umm you must have not idea how much body line actually costs during sales. She’s pretty well known for buying out all the extended sizing on the blouses when they drop to 900 yen, then selling them in the USA for $35-40, plus shipping.

She also flips dresses on lace market. I’ll never forgive her for beating me to punch on milky planet in navy, then immediately relisting for like $200 more than she paid.

She’s a fucking scalper.

>>10452467
Ummm personal shopping is absolutely a job you dingbat. I worked for this family in the Bay Area for like two years in Europe, and yes it does pay way more than any other part time gig that isn’t lewd lol.

>>10452555
Plus size girls despise her. She causes the same problems that ap scalpers do, it’s just size/affordability specific.

>>10452555
I’ll never understand people who scalp on LM. Like you know we can literally go back and see that you bought this same thing way cheaper like two weeks ago right?

No shame

>>10452495
Ap killed my interest in AP desu. Ice cream parlor would have been so much cuter on cotton imo

>>10452445
shut up muuh

>>10452434
>wait in line for 6 hours
Quit talking out of your ass. You're able to get a ticket 20 min before the store opens and you're not allowed to wait outside hours before the store opens

>>10453008
Nope. in the secrets a few months back thee's literally pictures of people waiting in the stairwell of the Laforet building.

>>10453008
and idk about other stores, but I was there for the Shibuya opening and I was in line for over 4 hours to draw my ticket, then my time slot was 3 hours later, so I guess it also depends on how you define waiting in line.

>>10452594

New thread

Where and who would you say is the best place to commission a wig?

I don't mind price I'm looking for someone who isn't shit.