/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10446615
Why couldn’t you just call this the new feels thread

>>10446617
Every feels thread since May has been a total shitshow so why do you care?

>>10446617
I guess in a way this is a vent post in itself

One of the effects of anti coronavirus measures of course is no cons for a while but without cons I can't seem to meet anyone my age who cosplays. Online cosplay comms seem to be all kids

i hate when sellers list fake retail prices to try to justify their scalping/inflated prices.

>>10446618
No feels thread is ever good. This is actually a better format.

>>10446901
I hate scalpers sweet baby jesus christ I just want to buy new AP and I will never buy from a scalper

I know someone is going to get mad at me for saying it but I'm going to say it. I wish sexy cosplay as a whole would die out. I don't even like telling other people who are into nerdy stuff that I cosplay because their mind instantly goes to titty cosplay (when I only cosplay unsexy male characters) and they make assumptions about you

>>10446925

I respect this take. I think cosplay will sometimes have to be sexy when female characters are often designed sexy on purpose in games and comics and movies, but I agree that thotting it up even more hardcore just makes everyone associate cosplay with Belle Delphine/Meg Turney types of people.

>>10446925
>Google news feed knows Is like cosplay
>Spams my feed with "amazing female take" on some popular character
>It's a lazy titty cosplay

I absolutely hate it when people ask for sizing on LM listings and it's something like an AP JSK. I immediately don't want to sell to them.

just. look. on. god. damn. lolibrary.

>be in high school
>know girl who’s trying to get into modeling
>do some shoots with her to help her build a portfolio
>she moves to the west coast
>don’t hear from her while she’s living out there
>fast forward several years
>run into her while I’m in cosplay
>holy shit
>she’s put on so much weight I barely recognize her
>tells me she’s jealous that I can cosplay and she can’t
>tells me she wishes she still had a body like mine
>feel bad for her
>tell her she should cosplay anyway
>point out that there are girls twice her size running around cons in cosplay
>months later
>she messages me thanking me for the encouragement and sends me a photo of her first cosplay
>it’s a simple thot cosplay
>at least she bothered to get a wig
>year later
>see someone else cosplay the same character and think of her
>check her ig to see if she kept cosplaying
>oh
>oh god no
>she’s a full on sex worker now
>started out selling costhot pics
>eventually she started taking it further and further
>taking off more clothes over time
>it’s no longer about cosplay
>now sells fully nude photos with everything on display
>sells videos of herself taking showers
>whathaveidone.jpg

I know she’s an adult and I didn’t make her do any of this, but knowing I played a role in this domino effect leaves me with a small sense of guilt

Gonna vent about this for a second.

I hate it when people message you to try and buy a dress from you which you haven't even posted for sale. But it's even worse when you try to be nice, carefully consider their offer and then politely decline. And then you see they've blocked you everywhere.

I'm so annoyed by a girl who constantly posts about a deceased girl from our comm to get a pity party from her followers. This fucks me up every year I have to see that on her death anniversary.
I wish I could make her stop.

>>10447012
The fact that this seems like an unpopular opinion now baffles me. I feel harassed when people message me asking where I bought something from, or if they can buy it from me. Like, no? I wasn't entertaining the thought of selling a piece, and now I have to feel guilty for turning someone down.Just don't do it.

>>10447017
It can feel like harassment, but I know the desperation of never finding your dream dress so I was trying to be really nice to her, especially since her offer was generous. But in the end I was feeling guilty for turning her down and seeing how she just blocked me now feels like a "fuck you".

>>10447008
This story was a wild ride. It seems that cosplay just throws many women down the rabbit hole of sex positive lib-fems.

>>10446962
I wouldn’t fully trust lolibrary measurements to be honest. Is it really that hard to measure shit for people? Are sellers really that lazy?

>>10447022
Shut up fatty.

>>10447012
It's an extremely rude thing to do unless they're your friend or at least acquaintance. It's ridiculous that this is even remotely an accepted practice in the fashion.

>>10446962
When this happened to me I was irritated but I could relate to it. I was seriously considering selling it to her but honestly I would have wanted to have a higher price than what I paid first. I knew this is a dick move especially since you can obviously see what I paid in my history, that's why I didn't sold it in the end.

>>10447022
THIS. I often bought something were the official measurements weren't right, so stating the right minimum and maximum is helpful. I do this when I know the official measurements aren't true.

>>10447008
is she still fat tho?

>>10447024
AP is big on me, and my statement still stands lazy-chan

>>10447024
Some people have tits and hips, not everyone is fridge shaped like you.

>>10446938
This. Every time.
>THOT BRINGS CHARACTER TO LIFE WITH YHIS COSPLAY
>preview image is that of the character and not the cosplay to bait you into clicking.

>>10447026
>so stating the right minimum and maximum is helpful
But do you really expect us to stretch out our dress to the max, just so we can tell you? Fuck no. The most I would do for someone is measure the garment flat, or tell them my own measurements so they can compare.

I'm an awful person, but all I can think of when someone asks about the measurements is that they normally don't fit into pieces and are looking to see how fat they can be before the piece doesn't fit. That personally disgusts me because I don't want to imagine a dress getting ruined.

>>10447048
You wouldn’t stretch it to max because you think it’s too much work or do you imagine it would damage the dress?

>>10447022
It's only fat taobaolitas who demand this. For the rest of us, this is a one size fits all fashion. Either don't be fat, or go back to your 4XL taobao
>>10447035
Youre just fat. Hourglass figure people are rarely fat. Youre just shaped like a ball

>>10447071
Having big tits that don't fit into brand dresses made for small chested Asian girls means im fat i guess? OK. I guess at 120 pounds I'm obese..shoot.

>>10447071

Hourglass people can be fat, hourglass describes a shape not a size, retard.

>>10447071
Hello hourglass girl who works out a lot here — tiny waist, pretty big tits that I have to stuff into a compression bra for Lolita, wide hips that I can’t do shit about. Measurements help me, and I’ve messaged sellers before to ask for more details on fit. Stop being shitty

>>10447071
nayrt but measurements are also useful for tall lolitas who, lets be honest, even the skinniest tall lolita is not the intended audience of a brand like AP

>>10447077
Assuming everyone calling you fat is the same person

>>10447074
Ignore flat chested anons. They're mad because only pedophiles are attracted to them so the way they can feel attractive is by putting down women who actually are shaped like women.

>>10447012
someone did this to me and I told her it was highly inappropriate. Her response? 'Oh but it's my dream dress' yeah it's mine too, do one.

>>10447061
Because of damaging the dress, and it's also extremely unpleasant to literally yank on a dress so forcefully that you'd get the true max measurement.

I also didn't say this before, but taking your own measurements of the dress and providing those to the buyer is just makes you that much more liable if the buyer wants to make a claim/return/back out later. It gives them even more fuel to complain that the dress was "described wrong" when it doesn't fit them. I'm not a manufacturer, and I don't want to play boutique employee. It's not my responsibility if the dress fits. It's only my responsibility to make sure I sell it under the right condition/brand/etc

>>10447071
>this is a one size fits all fashion
THIS. If you fit one AP JSK, you basically fit all the others. Once I got my first dress, I never had to care about measurements again. It's not that hard.

>>10447071
found the larper

>>10447080
what are you even talking about?
She's responding to an anon practically saying anyone hourglass is small enough to fit in brand while being retarded and not considering that hourglass girls have bigger assets than you fridge-chans.

>>10447082
They probably look like small children in lolita too lololol

>>10447028
She looks fatter than what I remembered her being at last time I saw her

>>10447088
Hourglass just means 10+ inch different between bust and waist. So 35 25 is both lower end AP measurements and hourglass

>>10447086
The only people who genuinely think this is a “one size fits all” fashion are rectangle girls who only wear JSKs. Skirts and OPs generally fit differently, for example I have decently bulky arms because of tennis and I’ve never found an OP which fit me on the arms unless it had elasticated cuffs, it sucks

90% of the time, lolibrary measurements are accurate, at least for newer pieces (2015+).

>>10447095
Some girls have bigger tits than that without actually being fat though. Hourglass doesn't always mean huge tiddies, you're right, the point is, girls with larger assets can have difficulty with brand even if they aren't overweight.

>>10447101
Large assets means small rib cage with relatively large breasts, which is why 35in could mean A cup or DD. Fat people with big busts are the ones with 40in busts, while thin busty people have regular measurements that would fit fine in brand

>>10447086

> this is a one size fits all fashion

Not everyone is a literal remote control in shape, Karen.

>>10447088
Your 40 inch bust and 30 inch waist are perfectly healthy measurements. You go girl!

>>10447107
I don't think you've seen a small girl with actually huge and heavy breasts then. Even relative to their waist, girls with big breasts notoriously have trouble fitting into normie t-shirts even..The notion that a petite but busty girl will fit into a fashion made with small chested girls in mind with 0 trouble is just laughable.

>>10447110
I have. It runs in my family and I've had friends who were the same shape.

>>10447109
My waist is 27 inches. Sorry about your fridge shaped body tho.

>>10447110
ngl i rarely see actual busty average or thin girls in lolita, only chubby/fat girls blaming all their fit issues on their bust

>>10447110
37in bust isn't big.

>>10447097
By "one-size-fits-all" I don't literally think it's "all," I just mean that it's general sizing that fits a wide range of middle-sized people. Again, all of my AP JSKs fit almost the same. All of my AP OPs fit almost the same (too big in the bust and arms).

I have no idea what this "rectangle" body type is that everyone is meme'ing. It's bait to say that only "women who are too thin to look like women" fit into the fashion.Comments like this have been around forever, and just because someone doesn't fit into their dream dress doesn't mean the rest of us are shapeless boards.

>>10447112
I'm just saying. Someone with large breasts is not going to have the same level of ease fitting into clothing as a flat chested girl. Especially in this fashion.

>>10447113
My measurements are 33-24-36 senpai

>>10447118
you're hourglass then, moron.

>>10447116
Rectangle meme doesn't mean too thin, its means small girls with no hips or ass telling hourglass shaped girls that they should have no problem fitting into brand.

>>10447119
I am and I'm not fat like >>10447113 either

>>10447121
120 pounds is fat. OK larper.

>>10447121
Not everyone can feasibly have a 24 inch waist because of height and structural differences, you realize that right?

>>10447120
Nayrt but hips/ass have literally nothing to do with lolita. I'm flat chested but my hips are 38 inches and I've never had fit issues with lolita. Other fashions on the other hand...

>>10447117
You clearly don't know how to convert bra measurements into bust measurements then.
>>10447118
23in would make you officially hourglass

>>10447107

You could be thin with a large ribcage though. Hourglass people could easily have large ribcages as well since the rib size contributes to how big your underbust and bust total measurement and cup volume will be in relation to waist and hips. A large ribcage could take you from a 32D to a 34D and those are big differences in volume as far as affecting how clothes fit.

Weight and bone structure are different. Some people have fucked bone structure or large frames without being fat. Most girls in lolita are usually fat and short with smaller bone structure so they can look flabby but squeeze into anything, while others are tall and not overweight but because of their body type beyond weight have issues.

I have no dog in this fight though. I'm an hourglass and short person who is a bit bigger because I don't count calories enough to stay as thin as I want so I fall into the category of just being fat and not having other issues besides somewhat wide shoulders. Some people have legit unchangeable body structure or issues and some have weight issues they could fix to wear brand if they want it to fit right badly enough. And alterations are there for deathfats who refuse to wait for weight loss to fit brand or people who can't change their bones and ribs or height too, if you want to accept the risks of that.

>>10447122

It can be if you're short or it could be skinnyfat at average or below average height. I knew a girl in high school who was 97 lbs and bragged about weighing too little to donate blood but in the end she had an ugly body that may as well have been fat. Not because of the natural shape but because she got no exercise so she was always squishing out of her clothes even when they should have been the right size.

>>10447128

I'm 125 pounds here and a bit above average height, I can't fit into OPs very well because of my wide rib change and broad ass shoulders. Even at my lowest weight of 117 lbs, my waist didn't get much smaller and my ribs would get in the way of fitting things properly, It sucks especially since I think OPs are super cute.

>>10447082
>>10447093
>flat chested women aren't real women!!
>only pedophiles could like a flat chested woman!!
Not this shit again.
You do realize you just sound like a seething pickme when you say this, right?

>>10447128
Thin with large rib cage would still allow you to fit into lolita comfortably.

I think the problem some fat people have is that they can't visualize what non fat people look like in terms of measurements. The human body is based on proportionality. Thin with 34D doesn't happen. Thin either means C cup and under at best, or above with smaller band sizes. Both 34D and 32D would fit into brand sizing. 34 is the underbust measurement, which is the ribcage measurement.

You can make all the excuses you want, but the reason for why you struggle to fit into the fashion is your weight. Bone structure accounts for only a few pounds. Unless you're comparing severe osteoporosis with very heavy bones, you won't see much of a difference.

>>10447131
No one cares. Sorry about your shapeless body, anon.

>>10447130
hey anon, I have broad shoulders too but I have luck with OPs that have shirred sleeves! I'm also a bit heavier and taller than you. Good luck!

>>10447134
I have hips. Sorry about your Wendy Williams figure.

>>10447136
People with hips can have big tits too, not everyone with wide hips has no tits like yourself.

>>10447133

I openly admitted I'm tubby (can still fit some brand but not everything because of it) because I dont work harder on my weight, so I'm not making excuses for myself. I'm just explaining how while being fat can be and is often a reason for fit issues (either being constrained/uncomfortable or not fitting at all), there are other reasons for it too. Height is a big one since a body being in proportion means taller people have longer torsos and high waisted cuts especially even with button straps lowered can hit differently.

You're naive to think women can't have larger than C cup breasts while being thin. Large band sizes are usually do to weight (or bigger ribcages), large cup sizes vary for a number of reasons; sometimes weight but often genetics. Women have much larger busts in general than you see in movies or whatever in regards to cup size. Even Asian women have bigger cup sizes more often than westerners give then credit for according to many of my Asian friends. Bras and breast sizes are not restricted suddenly when you become thin. Some people lose lots of weight and still have large breasts. At 100 lbs I was a D or DD cup even outside of vanity sizes or VS and those other brands that measure poorly. Obviously my chest was much smaller volume wise but even now at a larger weight they never go above the same cup size, my body just gets wider.

>>10447134
You don't even know what I look like. I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy when you just went into a coping rage over someone calling you a fatty mc cowtits.

>>10447131
triggered

>>10447136
assuming anyone with large breasts is disproportionate like you kek

>>10447144
not a cope. I'm glad I'm not shaped like a washboard. Having no tits, the thing that most women have, must suck ass.

>>10447146
I look good though kek.

>>10447139
Ok so what's the issue here, then? I have a nice body and can fit into lolita without any problems?

>>10447141
Yeah I get the feeling that these anons have never seen a small girl with actually huge breasts. Because I've definitely known girls at a healthy weight that would defo not fit into lolita without their breasts spilling out the way they do in normie clothes.

>>10447141
There's nothing left for someone who just wants to validate herself. I can only recommend that you learn how to take measurements correctly

>>10447154
Where are they? Almost every lolita I've seen on IG or COF is either thin/normal with average measurements or overweight. Take a look at the COF thread, the only busty women are heavier.

>>10447155
What are you even on?
You can have a small ribcage and have breasts that are large by volume. You realize that 32 DD and larger exist right?

>>10447150
Having no tits is great actually. I would much prefer being flat over having huge tits regardless of what men or pickmes like yourself would like me to believe. You can move around with ease and fit in whatever lolita brand you want.

>>10447156
They were girls with probably a 21 bmi at most so definitely not fat but not petite either.

>>10447159
Well, I prefer to still look like a grown woman in my clothes. Not a small child.

>>10447158
I'm literally the anon with a family full of thin with small ribcages and large busts. I'm 35 25 with and underbust of 30. My mom is shorter with 36 23 and an underbust of 28. You just think anyone not fat is thin.

32, if that's truly your underbust, is not a small measurement. 32D is the bust of someone probably at BMI 23-24, which is definitely not thin. Both my mom and I are BMI 17-18. Try again

I hate this fucking star lace, it maikes everything look cheap and it’s usually shoehorned into dresses that don’t have absolutely anything to do with stars

>>10447156

Well a lot of them are black for one, and many are not neccesarily lolitas. This is coming from someone who only ever seed black girls in lolita with my body type (short and petite), or 2 others (tall n lanky or tall and muscular/tubby). There are tons of body shapes and types in the world all over the spectrum from frail to obese and not all of them are going to be interested in or even attempt to wear lolita obviously. The lack of their existence in a small niche fashion doesn't mean those bodies don't exist.

>>10447161
imagine thinking a grown woman looks a specific way.

>>10447161
If you can't tell the difference between a grown woman and a small child just because of the size of her boobs that's a you problem.

>>10447162

At a bmi of 19, anything smaller than a 32 underbust would have been too small for me. But I guess I was fat according to you?
This all comes down to anons not considering that other body types exist beyond their own

>>10447170
No, it just means you don't have a small ribcage. This isn't a competition on who has the smallest ribcage. There is a space in between big and small. But complaining about "big titties" when the problem is that you're just fat, is dumb.

I literally wrote above that even 34D can fit into most brand. There exists a space between thin and fat. If you can't fit into AP at least then you're either chubby and really tall, or just plain fat. Everyone else fits just fine

@ everyone and no one in particular, you may be wearing the wrong bra size (especially after the covid 19), so please re- measure yourselves

>>10447173
Are you talking about shirred jsks exclusively?
Because I'm a 20 bmi now and there are definitely OPs that I can't fit it but it has nothing to do with me being too fat.

>>10447176
I said MOST. I know there are some OPs with smaller than normal measurements, like Sweet Lacy Basket, but the majority of OPs I have, I've seen be worn fine by people bigger than me who aren't overweight. Take a look at the IG tag, a lot of OPs worn by people who are chubby. JSKs fit people who are overweight, but not close to obese

>>10447179
I always assume that those OPs worn by overweight people have been altered but I guess some OPs do have shirring.

>>10447176

They probably aren't taking into account dress cuts and fit beyond "does it fit on your body physically", not whether or not it looks decent or allows you to breathe/move. OPs that don't have a lot of shirring are basically the devil if you have big shoulders whether you are thin or not.

Like yes the old thoughts that no one can fit brand and that brand is universally tiny is kind of a meme/myth for some brands and some pieces but it is far more complicated than "if you can fit Melty Cream Donuts JSK with full back shirring you can also fit the OP cut of Sugary Carnival" which without clarifying it may seem lile that anon is trying to say.

>>10447182
Same anon here

That's true. From the way obese/overweight talk about how brand fits, I thought I'd never fit into brand unless I lost another ten pounds, but was pleasantly surprised when I checked lolibrary measurements.

>>10447181
The only people I know in general who alter their brand are obese. The general rule I've personally noticed in pictures and irl is that if you're not overweight you'll fit into unshirred OPs, as long as you're not tall.

>>10447182
No, I meant it as I wrote it. Obviously don't pick high waist dresses when your bust and ribcage are large. That's not really a measurement thing, but just picking cuts that are flattering on you. That applies to all sizes.

When you're around a lot of fat and obese people, what is not fat becomes distorted. Which is why a lot of people think what really is actually overweight is upper tier normal weight, and obese are deathfats

>>10447184

Yeah I get that feeling. I wish I had gotten into lolita sooner when I was younger but because I had body dysmorphia and everyone acted like fitting brand wasn't possible without being a Eugenia Cooney level late stage anorexic I just gave up until I was older and smarter enough to know about measurements being available and go check those.

>>10447187
Why is there only every two types of extremes
The fatties who say they have big bones and refuse to acknowledge being overweight and anons like this who insist that if you have big ribcage there's no possible way you could be thin and its just because you're chubby?

>>10447187

I'm not saying you're totally wrong here, but when you make blanket statements some new people who don't know the obvious or don't see it pointed out (picking the right cuts for your body or how different pieces fit or flatter differently, measurements between new and old AP tending to vary more, etc.) May mistakenly assume things that aren't totally accurate and make poor choices because of it. Not that that is neccesarily your problem if they take you too literally and buy stuff that doesn't fit, but it just created more negative thoughts around brand sizing and contributes to the very thing you or the original venting anon find annoying---assuming they cannot fit brand or not trusting different measurements, etc. to the point they need to ask for every piece even when a lolibrary link is listed because they feel the dress must somehow be super small even when it probably isn't or aren't sure if the listing is accurate.

>>10447189

Because "average" weights are a sort of misnomer and people usually actually have one of two extremes as far as bodies and forget other ones not shaped like their own exist; the handful of us in the middle that are truly average or in between get treated like we're in one group or the other by those bigger or smaller.

>>10447189
I'm just going to assume by the annoying captchas I'm getting now that I'm really the only person posting about this. As stated before, there's a middle ground between fat and thin. You don't have to be thin to wear lolita, especially sweet. Most OP measurements will fit fine as long as you aren't overweight or above. Most JSKs will fit you fine as long as you're not obese or close to it.
The only problem is that there are obese people thinking they're just a big overweight.

>>10447195
Bit not big

I really miss Mary Magdalene. I wish they had made an announcement of some sort, like VM did when they were going to close, instead of just fading away.

>>10446615

I wish all brands had the funds capable of allowing anyone to MTO any dress or acessory within the last "X" number of years, even if it was for a much higher price...I know it is unreasonable and stupid of a thought to have but it would be heaven.

I hate that I have to settle for a 90cm waist fit when I'm only 76cm because my chest is 102cm and shoulders 42cm.

>>10446925
For this to really happen you need to have a word with animators and manga artists about the kind of women they draw.

>>10447214
Yes, they were the brand that got me started in lolita and without an announcement the hope they will come back never completely fades

>>10447071
>>10447080
>>10447109
>>10447121
Bait

>>10447074
>>10447076
>>10447077
>>10447079
>>10447088
stop eating bait

>>10447248
not at all. sexy girls in anime have always been a thing, but while cosplay deviants was just uggos in wigs that only creeps cared about, now every girl is expected to have tits out. hardly anyone cosplays anything that isn't super slutty now.

>>10447214
They should try comming back. At the very least, i feel like Chinese lolitas will eat MM up.

>>10447275
Not necessarily. They don't give much of a shit about VM. They love JetJ in particular.

>>10447273
Plenty of people cosplay non-slutty things, they just have a harder time getting popular on social media

>>10447278
that's basically what i said. it's popular to be slutty, where as before it was weirdos doing it for creeps.

>>10447217
I never even thought of this possibility before, and now I just want to die because it's not real.

>>10447284

Same anon, same.

>>10447248
Western video games have had unsexy character designs for years and guess what no one cosplays them

>>10447279
We aren’t saying the same thing
>hardly anyone cosplays anything that isn't super slutty now
You implied that the vast majority of people only do slutty cosplays and that’s just not true.
It only SEEMS that way because the slutty ones have a bigger platform and are therefore more visible in the community

I'm so fucking tired of my friend living and breathing cosplay. She's ditched plans to hang out multiple times to have another friend photograph her in cosplay. I thought with the current event she'd finally slow down. I'm actually looking forward to Katsu's likely cancellation just to watch her whine about it.

>>10447086
I agree but it's shitty how meta gives measurements like 82cm~ when I have an 89 cm bust and some Meta fits while other is a little unflattering

How I address this with buyers is to not give the true range, just what I can stretch it to easily without trying too hard. "About 98 max"

I have gotten neutral and bad feedback from fatties when I tried to take actual max measurements so I stopped to protect them from their own foolhardiness

Tried on a DD I got recently and it doesn’t fit..feels bad man.
>inb4 fatty
I have plenty of unshirred dresses with small measurements, this one just happens to be smaller than most I guess.

>>10447316
OK fatty

>>10447318

>>10447316
If it doesn't fit you, you're just chubby, no excuses.
Anything over a 24 inch waist is too fat for lolita, its common sense.

>>10447325
Ok ana-chan

>>10447326
At least I fit all my dream dresses

well there goes the thread, no u fat no u ana has begun

so shitty about yourself that you anonymously kick others when they’re down on the internet.

>>10447325
Sorry for being human sized I guess? At least I can lose weight, you’ll always be an asshole

>>10447316
Is there any way you could take the waist ties and use that to add panels?
Its happened to me before, some dresses are ridiculously small and you shouldn't feel bad about not being able to fit into them though it does suck.

>>10447334
cackling
i like this response

>>10447325
Ana chans thinking they look good swimming in their lolita clothes kek

Was wondering why so many lolitas were overweight because im finding it difficult to see dresses i like modeled on someone my size, then i remembered that the majority of western populations are obese/overweight....

>>10447380
You're not wrong, but westerners also have bigger busts and heights into play.

>>10447383
Yeah but I mean more so that when I go on Instagram to see a certain dress I find that 70% of posters are visibly overweight not just tall or big breasted and its frustrating because then I can't really compare what it will look like on my body, but thats a me problem I guess.

I almost liked lovelylor until I watched her video about dresses she got rid of and she mentioned that she sold her Toy Fantasy dress because lyrical bunny vaguely looked like he was smoking a joint (he's blowing a bubble) and she's like super antidrugs or whatever, which is fine but what a stupid ass reason to sell a cute dress, after that I just realized i could never enjoy content from such a fucking retard

>>10447391
being antidrug doesn't mean being a dumbass who misconstrues things on purpose.

>>10447380
so look up the dress on asian social media instead

>>10447397
Thats what I'm saying, I couldn't care less if someone is anti drug even if its a stance I dont personally agree, but making such a stretch like that is just fucking dumb.

>>10447391

She said she used to be super straightedge and that's when it happened and she regrets it now that she's not so uptight anymore

>>10447391
>>10447407
lor definitely smokes or at least smoked weed at one point

>>10447435
Theres nothing wrong with weed anon. Are you a child or just ignorant?

>>10447391
But like, she agreed it was a very stupid reason and regrets being so stubborn and straightedge?

>>10447441
I just cant imagine anyone having such strong opinions about one of the least harmful drugs that they let it influence them to do something as dumb as that. It says something about how illogical they are as a person.

>>10447446

I don't even like her but does it fucking matter anymore if she agrees she was dumb in the past? Sounds like it's a you problem at this point.

>>10447407
Wtf isn't she a SJW? Straight edge is supposed to be a neo nazi thing right?

>>10447448
straight edge was a punk/antifa/counterculture thing from the 80s originally.

>>10447447
Sure. I'm still allowed to think she's probably an idiot even if she admits it was dumb.

>>10447440
I agree. There's nothing wrong with it.

>>10447446
She was young and young people sometimes have extreme opinions about dumb things. It’s not that deep, especially when they acknowledge it. Also, it‘s not unusual for some people to be somewhat straightedge when their family has a history of drug abuse (even if it’s just alcohol and weed).

Aatp is objectively hideous

>>10447491

Yeah these days it seems like it. I've never seen anything they put out I liked except ouji stuff for a good while. Sad because BABY is so nice.

>>10447491
I hate that I mostly agree. They have fallen down hill. Long gone of the days of gems like vampire requiem and they give us cheap and ugly looking shit like this.

>>10447491
MOST Aatp is objectively hideous

ftfy

>>10447491
I've liked maybe one aatp dress, and I can't even remember what it is. I've been a lolita since they came into existence and I can't think of another (non-taobao) brand that's fallen so flat with me. Everything else has multiple pieces I've liked over the years even if I didn't buy them.

Happy feel, since this is basically a feels thread: I have such an awesome cosplay bf thanks to /cgl/ and I still feel like the luckiest lolita in the world

>>10447491
*sad captain chris noises*

Newly into lolita and I'm finding that brand dresses look boring or even ugly in comparison to taobao brands like Infanta and Arcadian Deer. Older brand prints looks nice but seem impossible to get so I fear I may end up a taobao whore due to my taste.

>>10447621
Taobao whore >:(

Since this is basically a feels thread: I really miss the ita horror stories threads we used to have on here even though the stories were mostly made up and I wish they would make a comeback, but I feel like the board is so different now and there would be no interest for it

Theres an anon shitting up multiple threads
>no tips for op
>Literally just REEING in every thread

I'm sorry your mommy and daddy hated you so you now have to resort to this kind of behaviour for never having got any attention as a kid anon. You sad fuck.

>>10447621
that's exactly what happened to me. i love old ap, but it's hard to come by, and nearly always too worn/faded for the high asking price. not interested in newer ap or any other brands. so i ended up with mostly taobao and waiting around for ap to do mtos of old dresses.

>>10447637
I cannot help it. I must suck the Chinese teet for flouncy, frilly sustenance until glorious Nippon blesses me with a re-release.
>>10447645
This and the shops aren't shipping to U.S. so I need to look into figuring out the shopping service process incase they do actually put out something I want.

I'm fucking seething that gemgem has the audacity to finally list that fucking meta skirt that I (and I think another anon here) missed out on because she decided to fucking over pay on it. Now the dumb bitch is listing it without having ever worn it for way overpriced. She can go fuck herself, I hope she loses money.

>>10447665

I am also annoyed at how much this is listed for desu; I refuse to buy from Gemgem even though she has stuff I want at times. Those prices are just always higher than what I feel is worth paying.

I never really thought about my body before Covid, but I've gained something like 20lbs over the last six months. Almost all my clothes still fit except a few unshirred oldschool pieces and I'll lose the weight once my daily life becomes more active again, so it's really no big deal, but it has made me feel insecure in a way I never did before.

>>10447331
This. Came here to actually vent, but seagulls gonna seagull. If this is what is running through the girls in my comms' minds all the time,then that's pretty sad.

Man I just really feel ambivalent about lolita

I don't get why people post their wishlist with tons of popular items that about 50 other people want. Like, yes, we know. I assume those items are on every sweet lolita's wishlist. I don't need a singular buyer because I know I'll have a whole mob of people if I sell my Milky-Chan bag or whatever.

It feels like people who post wishlists like this are just trying to "get ahead" of others by saying "pick me!", and I don't really care for it.

I'm so sick of seeing Honey Cake for $500+. I understand It's a coveted print, but I see one listed on LM almost every single day. It feels like there's more supply than demand, which should make sellers lower prices. I don't even want HC but feel bitter for those that do, lol

>>10447806

Maybe in case people they know are selling them so they can offer first dibs? Idk. I agree it's weird and Wishlist posts in general read as annoying to me because no one lists the name of every item and many lolita pieces look similar in the distance in a stock image anyway. I think people more so do it for themselves or because it is common/a trend now?

>>10447830

If it was the original I'd understand high prices but it's literally the MTO that only poorfags missed so I really don't get the hype over a shittier version of this dress either anon. If scalpers have enough cash to sell like over 5 to 10 HCs each at this point why do they need the money from scalping?

I also hate the same sellers scalping the same kumyas that are so overpriced no one buys as well. I bet they'll buy out all the available BABY stock of the strawberry ones and sell them. Remember when that one Chinese seller pretended to "accidentally order to many" and deleted the listings to hide from comments calling them out?

I even hate typical scalpers like rainies and gemgem but these new scalpers specifically reselling all the shit that just released and/or clogging up LM with overpriced taobao all annoy the shit out of me far more.

>>10447830
I think the whole situation with HC is fucking hilarious. The MTO was completley botched. Only the original dress might come close to being worth $500, but the polyester fiasco of the MTO is so worthless and everyone knows it, because even the girls buying the MTO still go after the original cotton release later. Honey Cake was always a dumb print and it's a meme now. Sellers are just taking advantage of the itas thirsty for pancakes.

>>10447856

I was someone who bought and hated the MTO. Seeing AP poly in person for the first time on what was previously a DD turned me off to the print completely for a while and made me realize nothing new from AP is going to be to my taste unless it's cotton or at least chiffon or something if it has to be polyester.

At this point I don't want to wade through MTO listings waiting for an overpriced probably stained or worse original to show up and compete to grossly overpay for it so I gave up.

It seems like HC is the only MTO rerelease AP has done this to of the few I'm aware of recently. The rest seem to have been cotton and even the last one has all the same cuts and colors as the original, not one cut and only 2 colors. The only bonus HC got that maybe others may not have is the bag and jewelry rerelease/MTO right?

>>10447859
Wasn’t the Fantasic Dolly MTO also poly? I might remember that wrong though. I have the original and the fabric texture and structure is lovely, I can’t imagine changing the fabric would turn out well

>>10447866

Oh I didn't check for that one. I remember people wondering about it on cgl because of how a red colorway would bleed more as cotton but I never confirmed for myself what material it was. I guess that makes two nerfed MTO rereleases.

I wish I just naturally knew how to pose in flattering manners.

My friend got back to me with the latest photos from our little shoot and... I look meh. I look bad. I hate everything about myself in the photo because my body is put the wrong way.

It's not fair because I remember how pretty I felt that day. I was on top of the world and living my best life. Shit just absolutely sucks when it won't get captured on camera the way I want to.

Screw wishing. I'm going to start practising poses, just you fucking watch me. I'll finally get photographed looking the way I want to!

>>10447156
>>10447154
Anecdotal but can confirm. (Black) mom was 5'0", 130 pounds, E cup breasts because of hormonal imbalance, not obesity. Breast tissue can keep growing beyond "normal" based on low Testosterone/high Estrogen imbalances. It's uncommon in people who haven't had children but still very possible for those in their 20s. People with that body type though usually aren't into alternative fashions because they already can't fit into normie clothes. Why bother getting into alt fashion you'd never fit into? My mom thinks lolita is cute af but she could never fit it even after a reduction. Just no chance.

Then there's me, half black, 4'10", A Cup tits, narrow ribcage. I can fit brand easy as fuck. And I'm overweight for my height, but despite being chubby as fuck, fat deposit breakdown based on hormones (again, low T, high E, but pre-children) means I look "small" "tiny" "dainty" etc. People have a serious bias just based on WHERE the fat is, not actually how much fat there is.

>>10447880
yeah, you go anon!!! Rock those fucking photos!
protip: don't just practice in the mirror, practice in front of the camera witha tripod too
you got this!!!!

Currently side-eying a seller on LM who “reduced” their prices, but really just increased the item’s original price and applied a “discount” on it.

>>10447915

God I hate it when people do that.

I'm side eyeing the person who listed the Ice cream parlor JSK and barette for $600 and lied in their listing title calling it a headbow. Even the bunny ear headbow, JSK, and wristcuffs together bought new are under $600 but this person isn't even selling the dress with the valuable or desirable acessories and has the nerve to charge more than HC scalpers.

>>10447859
Maybe they did that to HC just to say “Never ask for shit again”

>>10447918
HAHA

>>10447918

Shit ur probably right senpai

This may be their way of saying "stop asking for shit or we'll never rerelease your DD" or even worse, they'll rerelease it in shit fabric.

>>10447880
Ask to see the preview images while shooting to make sure you get some shots you like before the shoot ends. Just don’t do this excessively to the point where you’re asking to see them after every other photo

>>10447665
I also really wanted this skirt at the time lol. Fucking gemgem

I don't know if anyone else saw this, but I-

>>10447998
Link pls

>>10448025
it's the milky-chan cosmetics bag

>>10447918
>>10447938
What’s wrong with asking for shit? Isn’t that better for AP than dropping some new stuff with unpredictable demand? Moreover, it wasn’t just random rant about them not releasing this or that, it was a petition. People were way more serious to put their money where their mouth is.

>>10448031

I don't think there is anything wrong eith asking for shit, I was just joking around cause the other anon said it. I just feel like AP doesn't actually care ehat customers want all that much and now that rereleases are at risk of being made in awful viyella I'm wary of wanting to request another.

>>10447008
Who is she? The mystery is killing me pweese who is it?!

>>10448028

This whole scenario is hilarious but also technically you're not supposed to reuse photos not your own from other listings at all. Idk why a stock image wouldn't suffice?

>>10448049
Who cares it's just a photo it's not like they selling the photo for profit

>>10448051
I don't think it's a problem but it puts your listing at risk of getting reported and removed which is annoying, and the rule exists to prevent people from passing off other photos as theirs (this isn't what is happening here obviously but that annoying commenter might be all mad and report and mods may remove the listing just to stick to rules)

>>10446615
Is Lolita dying?

>>10448061
I hope so

>>10447880
Make sure whoever is taking pics of you knows how to take flattering pics. You can be a model and a bad photographer will make you seem frumpy.

Really wish I knew how to find a photographer. And now to avoid the creepers. I know going for female photographers can weed out virtually all the creepers but unfortunately men seem to be the majority of cosplay photogs. Maybe I should look for a normie photog and pray they don't think a cosplay shoot is too weird

I know thin-shamming isn't a thing, but it still makes me sad whenever I have to read someone saying "at least I have a body!" as an answer for not fitting eastern fashion.

>>10448078

Thin shaming is a thing. It's funny when it's anon here but it is maddeningly socially acceptable to just say all sorts of shit to thin peoples' faces they wouldn't say to a "real woman's" face.

>>10448078
I hate this too. It's like a cop-out for trying to end of conversation in the favor of someone who is obese, when many "thin" body types were the actual average for women just 40-50 years ago.

>>10448078
>tfw under BMI 17 and still don't fit into most jfash because tall with broad shoulders and breasts that are too big

>>10447621
Bad taste but it's your life, you should get the stuff you like and enjoy it, disregard us salty gulls lol

>>10448128
>disregard us salty gulls lol
No, this is my home.

>>10448061
No

>>10447639
Just make the thread.

>>10448148

For lolita specific stories, I'd love that

>>10447163
I love the idea of it, but it always hangs limply and looks like shit with whatever cheap dress people have over it.

>>10448116

Even with the fat acceptance movement or the push for body positivity disordered eating behaviors and ED diagnoses continue to rise over the years. Teaching people to place their worth in certain aspects of their bodies (being bigger, being smaller, looking appealing sexually, etc.) or to want to be accepted based on looks generally has made people so much more insecure and desperate to be accepted than just encouraging we all be healthy and find value in being good people.

Super salty vent warning.

I hope the federal government in the US discontinues the $600 weekly payment in the new bill. I don't know why the hell people were ever getting paid more than they used to make - more than employees in grocery stores actually keeping us fed right now, more than postal workers dying to deliver stupid shit like video games.

I hope the benefit goes down to the $200 or 70% of lost wages that's being proposed. I've had absolutely no incentive to keep my job right now, but I still work 40+ hours a week to get paid less than people are getting on unemployment. It's the most depressing thing, and the worst blow to people's self-esteem. I hate that I wasted the past 4 months of my life when I could have been paid more, for literally doing nothing.

I could have focused on myself for these past months, dressed up, created new accessories, but instead I've been beyond exhausted, sleep deprived, and destroyed mentally. I'm jealous of everyone who's reaped the benefits of the pandemic and been able to ~improve themselves~. If you guys luck out and keep getting the $600/week through the end of the year, I might just get myself fired on purpose, so I don't want to just die.

>>10448161
Stop working then. I don't understand why so many essential workers are bitter at their fellow working class, when they should be bitter about the level our wages have acceptably sunk to. I work from home so I don't have a horse in the race, but watching some of my friends tearing each other apart over this is so sad. Self-quarantining is an acceptable reason to stop working, according to the government, so stop being a dick to yourself and those also not being fairly compensated and stay home.

>>10448161

I completely understand how awful you feel, but the solution to this problem is the government and employers providing adequate wages and support to essential workers in addition to those in need struggling. I didn't qualify and got none and am struggling to make ends meet/risking eviction in a couple months if I can't find a job; I wish the government would just give EVERYONE relief on a consistent basis which is what we all need to stay home and stop this.

>>10448167
This. I am stuck in the same boat not getting any money and not having a job.

>>10448165
The thing is, I do get to work from home (because my county mandates it currently), but my life is still hell. I am in worse mental condition now than before. My company's "culture" has gotten even more toxic, my manager and boss are even more unforgiving, passive aggressive, and demanding, and the owners of the company are in denial about the pandemic, which upsets me every single day. I'm an office employee, and I get paid less than $600 a week. I finally escaped retail and then this shit happened and I feel like I've literally gone no where.

I can't claim unemployment if I quit my job, otherwise I would have quit by now. I agree that wages are too low in general and I have always been bitter about that. It's just a slap in the face that the pandemic has been a big party for a large group of people, while others are slowly declining, including myself. I think the only appropriate thing for the government to do was to also compensate workers who KEPT their jobs (under some salary cap of like, $100k). I'm waiting for that, and it's never going to happen. (And no, the $1.2k is not a reward for keeping your job. Even people who were laid off got this, and $1.2k is nowhere close to $600/week)

>>10448168

The government wants to give billions to large corporations and literal fighter jets and military equipment in what they pretend is a relief bill for the people...if they just used all the funds they planned to appropriate for direct relief for people states wouldn't have to deal with unemployment backlogs and big businesses wouldn't have hijacked the PPP loan program away from smaller ones, many of which now have to permanently close, even historic local ones in the city I live in. It's beyond disgusting how every politician gets their rent and food covered and most of this country is severely struggling now while they take our tax dollars and pay themselves and their friends out and tell us to go work and die or kill an elderly family member for "muh economy" rather than give us capital knowing we are really a consumer based economy for the most part.

>>10448161
I feel you. I think this is a great example of why socialism/UBI/etc don't work. It's perfectly natural for people to get discontent seeing those who work less make as much or more, and question why they are even working.
>The government should just give everyone more money then
For the duration of the pandemic perhaps, but long term, giving everyone more money is the same as giving nobody money.
>Blah blah 1% are the real problem
I agree, but I think that just means capitalism needs some adjusting, not that we need to scrap it and go to some other system which is what many critics of capitalism seem to actually want

>>10448167
ayrt, just curious, why were you denied the unemployment benefit? I was under the impression that the requirements were incredibly lax. I really do want to know, because I don't want to be even more of an uninformed jerk about this.

I agree that everyone should have been provided constant financial assistance. This is what happened in other countries and they are fairing a lot better than us.

>>10448181

Universal Basic Income is the way to go, senpai

I was YangGang until he dropped out. If he had stayed long enough in the race for the rona to hit while he was campaigning, people of both major parties would be flocking to him right now and Trump would be replaced with someone whose entire campaign was about giving us money to deal with potential rainy day type shit knowing it would help a ton of our current problems before they happened.

In the long term, giving everyone money rather than just the poor destigmatizes receiving money from the government and makes it look less like typical wealth redistribution. Jeff Bezos makes far more than $1000 every few minutes, nobody should care if his ugly bald ass gets a little more when allowing it would give so many desperate people missed by the system enough to help them begin to build wealth or stay afloat.

>>10448177
Isn't it interesting that in the midst of the biggest wealth discrepancy in history, a certain political party has decided all at once to protest a completely different issue?

>>10448183

I was denied because I was a student who just graduated college, so I had no employment history with any full time job having made enough money to be eligible for benefits. My state calculates your typical wages from a base period way further back than your last job, so they treat me as if I made less than minimum wage based on my like Junior year of college part time income, even though I was working half time for like double my typical wages way back then for like 6 months.

Essentially my state told me I'm too poor to claim benefits/get help? Even though I paid my taxes early this year...I'm getting by on remote work gigs in my career industry and I spent my whole stimulus check on paying my rent but I live in an expensive city so it didn't even cover 2 full months.

>>10448187

Not sure what you're referring to but both parties are guilty of cronyism and supporting corporate interests at this point. The few members of either who try to be reasonable get silenced or roasted by Bitch McConnell, Trump, Pelosi, etc. immediately or painted as loony by the media. Look what they did to Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang. Gabbard was basically like "anti war and fuck Hillary Clinton, let's help people" and she got accused of treasonous Russian espionage, Yang's platform was "Help all Americans with practical, forward thinking solutions not bound to partisanship and all the other bullshit", and he was accused of being a dumb techbro. Everyone in politics is somewhat in on this game and when you aren't the media will make you look like a loon.

>>10448177
>>10448187
>>10448192
Dang it. I didn't want to start an actual political discussion. I'm sorry, thread.

>>10448191
I'm sorry, anon. Thank you for explaining. Your case is a corner case, like countless other corner cases. This is why I'm starting to agree more that we should have been given "blanket" assistance where there were no qualifiers, even if it was just to make people less stressed/feel secure. I've been in my current job for about 2 years, so that's why I'm so salty this is happening right now.

>>10448192
Yeah, you are not wrong at all and they are both to blame. I'm particularly bitter at the left wing because they clearly had the energy and appetite for a massive social movement and decided to blow it on police. At least the right to work protests, though thoroughly misaimed, were at least vaguely in the realm of an economic complaint.

>>10448196
The left is just better at hiding their racism so of course they'll never do an actual social movement. Look how many self proclaim demos do *sips tea* at southern states in plight despite them having the majority of poc people in the US.They'd rather just scream police bad but only police should have gun cause easier than actually caring about those in need.

>>10448207

Actually the deep south has less nonwhites than the southwest, and the coast in particular on that side has potentially more POC than white. Urban areas typically have high concentrations of POC as well. Much of the deep south that people think of when they say south is majority white.

>>10448209
Louisiana is deep south tho.

>>10448209
Nope This is from the Census this year
>Of all the people who reported as Black in Census 2000, 54 percent lived in the South,
>The region with the highest proportion of people reporting Black as a percentage of its total population was the South (20 percent), followed by the Northeast (12 percent), the Midwest (11 percent), and the West (6 percent).

>>10448209
Mississippi has the highest proportion of black residents of any state.

>>10447174
>(especially after the covid 19),
what dis mean

>>10448210

No one mentioned Louisiana in particular, are you from there or something? I literally was born there and lived there, and it is more white than nonwhite, and is the US state around the bottom of the list of the top 10 or so states for black population specifically. I also live in Texas currently which is always near the top of that list despite being next to Louisiana. Not sure how much different studies take into account Latino white identified people into graphs and charts but I googled just to check and my suspicion was correct that the population of PoC generally isn't that high in the deep south (minus parts of Texas but Texas is also kind of southwest, depends on where in the state you are)

Why would blacks or minorities stay in parts of the country generally known to be the most racist according to rumors, stereotypes, history, etc.? Makes logical sense along with the stats that their populations there are lower.

>>10448213
>>10448212

Proportions are different than quantity, and they said PoC, not black exclusively, that includes anyone who doesn't check white on a census box (and some Latino people also identify as white since those are separate but could still look tan/nonwhite). Black people are not the only PoC

>>10448214
Because everyone stuck at home doesn't know how to exercise without a gym or not overeat so everyone who is lucky enough not to work is whining about being privileged enough to sit at home and get fat.

>>10448221
>Proportions are different than quantity

>>10447839
Agree, sunnyrnot can die a slow death. The new release scalpers annoy me far far more than Raibes or gemgem because they’re not just buying one thing and flipping it, they’re buying up all the stock of new items. I don’t really care for Raines and Gemgem, but at times it’s simpler to order from them off lace market then to stay up all hours of the night waiting for the Japanese people to post some thing and then having to use a shopping service, etc. Sometimes the price equals out to what a shopping service would have cost anyway.
It’s like when you go to a concert. I may not like paying the higher prices of the scalper guys that stand in front of the stadium, but at least I can get a ticket from them if I really need one. But Ticketmaster scooping up all the available tickets as soon as they go on sale because they have a team of people who buy them all up within seconds is really fucking annoying. They’re not providing a service at all, they’re just doing a quick flip for money and preventing people from buying directly from the source.

>>10447859
People seem to forget that the reason they made honey cake poly was because they made it in bigger sizing. They didn’t make the front part any bigger, they just added more shirring in the back. Cotton fabric would’ve been too thick to scrunch up the amount that the fabric had to scrunch up because the measurements were so big

>>10448241
Diff anon, but you can't directly compare percentages (proportions, ratios, etc) to counts

>>10448241

It's the amount per a certain number, not the total overall amount. A state can have a lower proportion of a certain group per 100 people or within a certain area compared to the majority but still have a higher number of people total.

You're ignoring the rest of the post and the prior post explaining using stats and differentiating between PoC and Blacks generally while the people claiming the south is full of PoC assume PoC only applies to black people.

>>10448251
are you confused anon?

>>10448254

Not true; AP has made fully shirred JSKs and OPs (some print, some solids) that have the same measurements or fairly close to it.

They made it poly because they're making a ton of new releases out of poly. Size offerings in brand are worth being discussed but are not the direct cause of AP using shitty material on certain releases.

>>10448260

I think what they may be saying is that the old scalpers just flipped listings for a bit more from mercari/fril VS buying up usually limited release stock and always new items and then charging more than new prices, which is worse because it takes away the items from people who would have just owned and worn it normally VS. buying to sell and then having dead stock of stuff no one is wearing that people may want but refuse to buy from a scalper who basically took the item from others trying to buy on release.

New release scalping is just shitty; at least people who scalp older stuff can use market prices as an excuse/shield. New scalpers also buy and resell stuff no one actually wants much from AP, at least via fril, so AP may think things are more popular than they are because scalpers don't know what is or isn't popular as they just gang up on every release in the hopes of reselling for cash.

>>10448254
Cotton can be fully shirred you idiot AP is just trying to cut costs

Someone listed this catalog on LM just now and it reminds me of happier times when AP was releasing iconic shit. ICP is the only release in the last couple years that wasn't a rerelease that feels anywhere close to this.

>>10448275
They use any excuse now, previously it was so more dresses could fit in storage space. I wonder what's the next excuse.
>>10448281
I too long for the days when AP made dresses. It's a shame they decided to become a printed plastic bag manufacturer in the last few years, who knew that was such a big business?

>>10448292
>printed plastic bag manufacturer
Best and most accurate thing I've heard all week.

I love AP, but they've completely lost their way.

>>10448044
She’s basically a no one in the community. Even though she takes it all off, she still has a very low follower count

>>10447008
Oh anon, I think you just ran into someone who was already a trainwreck and you just didn't know at the time.

>>10448076
To find women photographers join your con’s fb group and check the con’s hashtags on Instagram and Twitter. They’ll advertise in those places. If it’s too far out from the con for them to start advertising, you can also just scroll through a con’s hashtag on ig and check out the photo credits on each post until you find a female photographer you like. Then dm them and ask if they’ll be attending the con this year

>>10448381
Honestly that makes me feel a lot better about the situation, thank you

>>10448292
I really don't know if these people defending polyester garbage are like undercover AP employees or just completely ignorant about fabric and garment construction. There are heavy polyester fabrics and light cotton fabrics and it largely has to do with the ply and treatment of the thread and density of the weave. If AP is hell-bent on releasing only plastic shit, I'm just going to stick to picking up older pieces secondhand or sewing my own plain pieces using cotton organdy for the sheer effect without the gross polyester feel. I've never been a huge AP fan or a fan of printed pieces so it's not a huge loss for me

tfw 6'2

>AP secondhand market is officially fucked
>retail therapy isn't fun anymore
>keep missing out on items because mobs of comments on listings, even on mercari/fril
>feel like giving up the fashion that once gave me so much joy

I'm angry and sad. Buying cute stuff from Japan was the one of the only things that made my days better during the pandemic and now everything is either a fight to get, or priced 3x higher than 2 years ago. It's not enjoyable anymore and somehow looking at my wardrobe makes me more depressed even though I've obtained so much already. It's like I'm realizing I might not be able to get anything I want ever again without paying way too much or having to stress out constantly to get it.

I wish I could buy directly from fril/mercari without a shopping service. Having things get sold before my SS replies makes me die inside, and I'm requesting them almost as soon as they get posted. It's to the point that I'm thankful Wunderwelt posts overpriced, damaged stuff so at least I even have a chance at anything.

>>10448630
it's literally always been like this.

>>10448631
Are you new?

>>10448634
no i am not new. everyone bitching seems new honestly. AP bloodbaths have been a thing since 2010, the difference is that AP was more arguably focused on the western comm rather than chinese comm. if you remember they had to put out a statement denying store entry to non-lolitas due to chinese men coming to releases and buying shit to scalp. it probably seems worse now because they don't care about us getting shit anymore. another thing is that chinese lolitas buy everything, even unpopular prints. i think AP has been trying to combat that with MTOs tho, but this is very much the same crap that's been happening forever.

>>10448635
Did you even read anon's post? They're talking about the secondhand market. Not new releases.

>>10448635
I am talking about the secondhand market like >>10448638 said. I never mentioned bloodbaths or new releases? I don't care about most of AP's new stuff. In fact, I find new releases on AP USA easier to obtain than most things on fril/mercari because I've largely perfected my speed at checkout. That's one of the things that makes me feel even more dismal about it - how little control and chance I have at getting anything that requires an SS. And the SS I use has been very good too, but even they have had a harder time getting anything recently.

>>10448640
>>10448638
She also mentioned it being a fight to get. Which I agree with the other anon, it was like that before as well. You just seem like you weren't around back then. I remember DDC getting scalped and then an MTO was announced for almost the first time. Basically the first time for a coveted print. I think anon also makes a point about releases, AP is literally letting scalpers in now.

>>10448641
I'm not talking about new releases now or back then. I'm talking about 5+ or 10+ year old prints and jewelry getting sold on the secondhand market currently. I don't remember literal mobs of comments on bulk jewelry listings on mercari, trying to get the seller to split the set and offering $300 for a single ring and necklace (this just happened a day ago). Granted, those are the "going" prices now, but it makes me feel so hopeless. Even if I wanted to offer that much, my method of doing so (SS) would be too slow.

I'm just noticing a huge increase in competition for older pieces, which are the same ones I've been after since the beginning. And I'm not talking about just SC or Milky Planet. It's literally all the older sweet prints.

>>10448641
>mentioned it being a fight to get
Sorry, to clarify, when I said "fight," I meant (as I said in >>10448647)
>mobs of comments
>split the set and offering $300 for a single ring and necklace
>increase in competition for older pieces
I realize now in my original post, people probably thought I was referring to bloodbaths, which I am not.

>>10448647
>>10448648
again everything about new releases is true for 2nd hand. people care about rich chinese girls, they are scalping because rich chinese girls will buy it. i don't think you guys realize that chinese girls who can buy brand are generally the super wealthy so they can spend whatever they want on it. asia is a lot more accepting of jfash, so millionaires in china don't see an issue with their kids dressing lolita, hell my extremely rich uncle in law is a huge weeb, but it's just seen as eccentric. scalpers, especially on japanese sites likely want to appeal to chinese lolitas who don't care about cost and we can't compete.

>>10448650
Is it really chinese buyers commenting on these listings though? Wouldn't they have to use an SS just like us? Or is there some missing link I'm not getting?

>>10448651
even if they are using SS, the chance they know someone in japan is much higher, especially if they are wealthy. and they are more likely to pay more for the same service if money isn't an issue.

Taken from the "does anyone else have body image issues made worse by lolita" rufflechat thread.

I hate this shit. My body image issues were made BETTER by lolita because something finally fit. Clothing sizes in the USA suck ass and always made me feel like a tiny child in a trash bag. These clothes finally made me feel like a real person.

Also wtf. A size 0 would have no problems fitting into lolita. What is this person on about?

>>10448707
I hope it's satire.

>>10448650
why are you acting like there aren't also plenty of rich western girls willing to pay scalped prices? do you think 18 year old lolitas drowning in brand actually bought all that with their own hard earned money? no, they're trust fund babies.

>>10448707
Size zero in american is like, size 8 elsewhere. Massive vanity sizing issue over there.

>>10448712
you're an idiot if you think most rich girls here are as rich as girls in china. seriously.

>>10448707
>lolita bodies
does she mean asian bodies? when are people going to realize asian girls are generally just built differently? they don't have tits, ass, or hips. it's not a weight thing, it's a flat rectangle body vs hourglass body thing. most nonasian girls won't have an asian type body no matter how much weight they lose because they will still have curves.

>>10448714
lmao ok. i guess all the little rich american girls who wear head to toe designer brands, which are much more expensive than lolita, somehow wouldn't be able to afford scalped lolita. that makes so much sense!

>>10448715

A lot of Asian girls have curves. Just different proportions to westerners.

>>10448716
Lmao are you that salty poor oldfag who calls every young lolita a sugar baby

>>10448717
the few that do are outliers and usually overweight (koreans especially) but on the whole they are flat on both sides.

>>10448715
Ugh. Not this "hourglass" debate again. I'm pear-shaped and have a 10+ inch difference between my waist and hips. I have curves. I was just blessed with a tiny rib cage so even my bust is fine. I fit into lolita. But please, reach harder.

>>10448721
congrats on not having the same body type as 90% of asian girls, ig? do you want a cookie?

>>10448713
What? That's not true.

>>10448719
where did i call anyone a sugar baby? just said they're from rich families, like anon said about chinese girls. calm your triggered tits.

>>10448723
asian girls are bananas lol.

>>10448720
Nah a lot of the ones with curves are pear shaped with very thick stocky legs usually. Most Asian women have much smaller shoulders generally and many full body photos of average jaoanese women I see and ones I know IRL are a bit pear shaped or subtle curves.

You don't have to look like a pornstar or Jessica Rabit or an anime character to have curves or boobs and butt.

>>10448748
literally never seen that among japanese and chinese girls unless they're fat. idk where you are finding these mythical huge hips/ass girls.

>>10448714

Per capita they are definitely comparable the only difference is that they're wearing Berkin and fancy niche designers because Chanel is too mainstream rather than shitty anime dresses

>>10448761
they really aren't. but go ahead thinking that.

>>10448765
you sound like someone whose knowledge of china is based entirely on sensationalist western media and you probably don't know a single real chinese person

>>10448774
i am from hk, but go off.

>>10448752

They don't have to be huge to be curvy/exist. Curvy is a body shape, not size, genius. Curvy is typically associated with pear and hourglass shapes at any non-obese size where you can still see the shape of someone's body.

I'm a huge busted and added non Asian woman but I'm not so dumb about female bodies to be incapable of seeing curves on other women who are thinner/not Kardashian Brazil butt lift thick.

>>10448777
i said real chinese people lmfao. you know, the ones who are currently kicking hk's ass and taking them back over

>>10448779
Some people from hong kong aren't hong kongers.

>>10448779
You sound like a bitter white girl. Everyone knows that old money chinese are rich. The world's richest man is from china.

>>10448783
the world's richest man is jeff bezos you moron. the 10 richest people in the world are all white save for an Indian guy. chinese people don't even hit the list until way down.

>tfw thin lips
>any lipstick looks terrible on me
>gradient lips and dark lipsticks especially look terrible
>not willing to get lip injections or able to pay for the upkeep

>>10448820
Overline them dumbass, all wypipo do it

>>10448820
there are otc lip plumper glosses

Despite always being so cynical and negative, by some miracle I blindly believed a big internationally famous cosplayer (yes, JNig-tier) and their kindness towards me. I trusted them a lot. This was someone that even inspired and accompanied me through homelessness, rehab, etc.

Turns out I was nothing but a marketing ploy all along. I'm really nothing but just a token x fan/"friend" to give them a "I'm a cospositive cosplayer saviour" card.

I hate myself so much, gulls. I went from finally being a little happy and finding fun in cosplay especially with the lads to hating the fuck out of myself, my body, and everyone. I feel like such a retard.

It's been months and I can't recover and let go of some fucking vapid celebrity that doesn't give not even a quarter of a shit about me.

I feel so physically sick, I've been crying so many nights, I can't even explain nor tell my own licensed psychotherapist.

>>10447133
This is laughably wrong? Bra sizes are based on the difference between bust and underbust circumferences. You can definitely be skinny, with a small underbust measurement and also a large bust measurement, translating to weirdass bra sizes like 28H. Why don't they sell them in store? It's a pain to carry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra_size#Cup_measurement_methods
https://www.reddit.com/r/ABraThatFits/wiki/sizing_systems

>>10448851
I don't really understand but I'm sorry anon. When I can't tell my therapist something I vent it all out by typing it while I'm upset, then edit while I'm okay, and show them when I'm ready. It's going to be OK. Drop them and don't look back.

>>10447133
>Thin with 34D doesn't happen
Is this what white people actually believe? Big breasts with a small waist happens frequently among black and latina women.

>>10448820
>>10448833
fellow thin lipped anon here. i know overlining will feel weird and unnatural at first but learn to embrace it. you'll get used to it.

>>10447133
>tfw ana-chan but 34D
i hate my life

Despite being a “comm” they shoehorned all jfashion together so a local ~influencer~ could b included and 99% of the comm rolls up in fucking overalls and a tshirt and calls it jfashion. Only 2.5 real lolitas who try. Everyone comes in ka-why-ee dresses from F21 and acts like they put effort its frustrating as FUCK

>>10449049
.5? did you saw someone in half or what

>>10449056
Nayrt but anon probably means there's someone who's halfway decent

>>10448820
I am not thin lipped but in the past I felt better about some of my features when I find a good lolita or other jfash person rocking that feature. For a long time you didn't need big lips in lolita and actually smaller is cuter.

Look at Rinrin and how she does her lips. Even VenusAngelic even though she is a meme, is a great example.

>>10448159
this

>>10449049
is this in DC? are you taking about SN?

>>10448820
I have lips on the full side and I always admired girls with thin lips when I was young. They're very cute and more doll-like! I hope you feel better about your face anon :)

>>10448061
It's dying in the sense that cosplay is.

Nowadays both communities are bigger than ever and it's much easier to get into and acquire items, but the spirit is gone.

On the cosplay side of things, you had to make your own costumes because they weren't readily available. So if you were going to put that much effort into something it had to be because you really cared about a char/series.
Nowadays people can buy a different mass-produced costume for whatever anime is popular that month and that they'll forget about 3 weeks later. Most people also care more about money, likes on SM, and clout than making a connection.

Lolita was harder to get into back then so people really treasured the things they could get their hands on. Items were thoughtfully designed and well-constructed. These days, again, most people seem to care mostly about how many likes they can get and how big they can make their wardrobes. The quality of the items matters less than how good it can look for social media. Even brands have caught on to this and it shows.

That's not to say that there aren't people within the communities that keep the spirit alive, but they're in the minority these days. Somebody linked an article a while back about the death of subcultures or something along those lines and while it wasn't referring specifically to cosplay or Lolita, that's basically what happened to them.

>>10448061
Have you heard of China? It's fucking huge and mainstream there. Dying in the west and Japan, yeah probably.

>>10449056
Lmfao nah, just like, one newbie who kinda coords but not really lel
Though it’s nice to see someone try instead of rolling up in their F21 top and skirt and calling it jfashion

I want to buy a specific pair of OTKS but I have no idea how y'all can buy them secondhand and not be grossed out by someone's sweaty feet having walked around in them
I just dont know man...i don't know

>>10449229
The same way I'm not grossed out by armpit or crotch sweat when I buy other clothes secondhand. Everyone sweats. You clean them before you wash them. More concerned about staining on the bottom of used socks from dirty shoes/dirty floors than I am of "eww yucky, feet"

>>10449229

I am not grossed out by secondhand clothes because I wash my clothes upon arrival and after wearing them like any normal person would.

Do you have a foot phobia?

>>10449234
I'm fine buying normal clothes secondhand. Feet sweat a substantial amount because they're in an enclosed area (a shoe) with a thick layer (sock)
Its like seeing someone say they're grossed out about secondhand underwear and saying
"Uhhh do you have a vagina phobia?"

Some secondhand items are kinda gross, some aren't. Its not a personal attack on people who decide to buy them.

>>10449236
Also, did I mention foot fungus? That's not that uncommon.

>>10449229
I feel that way about blouses and ops too. I'll only buy jsks secondhand. I don't want anything that the person directly sweated on. Too gross for me.

>>10449236

If the socks look clean and unstained (I only buy NWT or very good condition unstained non pilling secondhand socks) then the odds that they will have foot fungus after a good wash (you can even wash with antifungal/antimicrobial products) are slim.

Different than underwear in the sense that underwear is directly on an open orifice and not worth the risk because of how cheap even name brand underwear is firsthand, plus you're supposed to replace even your own underwear regularly. Socks aren't going on your eyes or mouth or pussy; it's a different body part with different circumstances so that comparison is illogical.

>>10449241
I'm okay with blouses even though armpits are gross but I totally get where you're coming from. Feet are just particularly gross because foot sweat obviously, feet are constantly touching the floor and I doubt anyone cleans them right before putting on socks, also foot fungus which isn't that uncommon.
People are acting like this is completely illogical though, socks are literal foot sweat collectors, pretty different than a jsk. More comparable to used underwear IMO.

>>10449243
If they're used once and look fine then im okay with it. Most of the socks I see have stains on the heel and its just pretty gross. I see what you mean with the underwear maybe not being a logical comparison. I'm not in the minority of thinking that feet are more disgusting than other parts of the body because of what they come into contact with. Maybe its not totally logical to avoid them, its not like im afraid of used socks, it just grosses me out as an idea.

>>10449248

Ayrt and yeah dirty socks definitely would gross me out, but the clean nicely kept ones are no problem once washed.

I hate when my own socks stain even though I know I'm clean and would never resell them in that condition. I dislike bare feet so I always put socks on right after the shower or slippers, and even though I keep my floors clean dust is inevitable or the soles of certain cheaper shoes I own despite cleaning the ones that have removable soles sometimes darken or stain the bottom of my socks.

I think selling them in any stained or dingy condition is silly because no one will want them at that point anyway and I'd never buy stained ones.

Sometimes newbs ask the dumbest questions regarding what can be worn with lolita and it makes me wonder if they've actually looked at any pictures of it all

>>10449300
Are you talking about the person shitting up BSoLF? The dumb looking fringe purse?

>>10449251
use slip on little toe sock covers (not sure why they’re called) to keep the soles clean. Prolongs the life of my socks immensely

>>10447575
he's really cute

>>10448630
Mercari and From are hard to buy from even in Japan. It's a matter of who can buy the item the quickest so unless if you check the apps every 10 minutes, the chances of getting a DD off there is rare

>>10450320
*Fril not from

whats with cosplayers using the crimping technique to make all these new shit tier of crusty ass nasty ass wigs