/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>10445564
I like to style my skirts like this but never post the pics because I thought it would be called ita

>>10445574
You most likely would because most people don't even see this as lolita nowadays, but that shouldn't stop you from doing what you like with the style.

Can you fuck off already? You can post these pictures just as well in the old school thread, including all the discussion, because guess what - it is old school.

>>10445576
I agree with you, but all it does is trigger thisdoesntbelonghere bullshit as you can see in the old school thread. it's not productive.

>>10445552
Are the red and blue dresses ETC? I think I have one of those

>>10445580
I think they might be. The ETC dresses I've seen in cutie magazines from the late 90s look a lot like that.

>>10445580
I think the text on the side says that one person choose a matching dress for her sister and later on in the text it says One-Piece from Pretty, but it is not clear to me who says what.

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>>10445576
anon is just going to see that her shitty label doesn't mean anything once no one contributes to the thread.

>>10445672
I read it again, the red sister says she and her sister tried to choose a matching dress, and the blue blue sisters says the dress is from Pretty. The far most left person is also related I guess as she also has the same last name. But nothing else is said about clothing, just who they like or something.

>>10445574
i hope you will do it for the people who do love this look and tune out the haters one day

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>>10445699

Proto-loli is my favorite substyle.

Why do you all think it's so difficult to pull this style off nowadays? 95% of the attempts I see are terrible

>>10445560
the goggles. the tracksuit jacket. the bloomers that appear to be leopard print. i love her

>>10446158
Because you're more critical of people doing it nowadays

>>10446158
It's not that it's difficult to pull it off, it's just that nobody likes it unless it's on an Asian girl who took the picture 20 years ago.

>>10446158
i think for a lot of the coords i've seen, it comes down to a lack of attention to detail and thinking that any kind of edgy styling or coord that consists of a cami and skirt makes it proto.

How would you guys actually define proto?

>>10446240
I would say it's fashions from the early to late 90s (or even earlier) that served as predecessors to what we recognize now as lolita.

>>10446240
1999 streetsnaps and older, according to the fags who desperately want to make it a thing.

>>10446240

Its fruits style yis dumb children

>>10446255
Fruits covered lots of different styles you retard

>>10446256
Fuck you child.

>>10445560
I think i'm in love

Would stuff like Olive magazine count?

>>10446246
fucking gold

>>10445574
I agree, you could share the pics and stress it's proto and not current lolita

posting from some image collections

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>>10446421
Yes

>>10446457
I love this styling of that meta strawberry print

>>10446158
It's kind of an edgy teenage style imo. Most people in street snaps are teenagers are ealry 20s. Most western lolitas are mid-20s. If you are not super youthful looking, it's just going to look silly on you. People were also skinnier back then on average, the style back then was more roomy than modern lolita - almost oversized looking. The average western lolita wouldn't be able to pull that off by her size and height alone.

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>>10446457
What place would you recommend for buying shoes like this? I love how big and round they look, nowadays lolita shoes always look kind of slim

>>10447001
secondhand

>>10447001
Demonia?

>>10447001
You can find them on aliexpress if you search some i just got some a few days ago from there

>>10447292
Only a few demonia work...

>>10447297
Nayrt but also interested in these kind of shoes.
What search terms did you use?

Is this old school or proto ?

Does it work like this: All proto is old school but not all old school is proto?

>>10447458
This one always makes me so happy to see. I could never pull off a color combo like that but this girl was out there, all those years ago, just living her best life. An inspiration to us all

>>10447459
I'd say old school since the silhoutte is pretty close to the archetypical Lolita
>>10447468
Pretty much, anon. There are some who don't really consider proto to be Lolita at all, since it's not a single style and just refers to the trends that later solidified into Lolita, but that's ostensibly nitpicking

where my nagomu gals at

>>10447591
oh my god, i love this! do you happen to have more, anon?

>>10447594
They are a band called Masako-san.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LirXsSHmeWc
Started as fans of other Nagomu Records bands such as Uchoten and Zin-Say, and eventually got signed to the label.
Sadly, one of the 2 sisters that founded the band, Sabrina (the girl holding the doll) passed away in 1994, RIP.

>>10445561
god I love the fish buttons on that sweater

>>10446421
I miss when models were pretty but still normal looking

>>10447642
same!

>>10446158
it's not the only reason but something that really pisses me off with modern attempts is bad hairstyles. i've seen too many shitty hipster mullets, shaved sides, bad dye jobs and farquaad bangs to count. the style looks best with a conventional hair colour and either a cute updo or short layers imo.

haters be like "proto isn't a thing, stop trying to make it a thing" and maybe they're right, but it would be nice to have some term to identify this style because it sure as hell existed at one point

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>>10447459
>the style looks best with a conventional hair colour

>>10446158
The thing with styles that are so out of what’s considered pretty or fashionable is that you usually look bad for a while until you figure your own style out and start to look nice. What we see on street snaps is curated, with social media everyone posts their failed attempts and we fall under the impression that outfits are worse than they were in the past.

Also, nostalgia

>>10447591
Why does the one holding the stuffed person look like they have downs

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>>10447988
this is just a street snap from the 90s, its not proto lolita at all

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>>10447979
obviously that might not apply every single time, fool.
also imo that coord would not be any better or worse with a natural hair colour, it's already great

>>10446158
These outfits are also terrible. Nostalgia + poor quality scans are blinding you

>>10448012
contrarian

>>10448012
Shit taste

>>10447992
None of the pics are proto bc it does not exist.

>>10448012
This, half of it is bad 00s poorfag normie wear too. If you want to boil down lolita like that you might as well just go full circle and buy your "proto coord" from walmart.

>>10447991
Proto decora

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>>10447970
it's just 90s MILK and miho.

>>10448126
Your butthurt is delicious.

>>10448126
Lots of these brands actually aren't cheap, seethe harder

>>10447987
That's Sabrina, and she passed away in 1994... she was also one of the founders of the band.
She may not be a looker, but she was a good artist.

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>>10448184
>b-butthurt, s-s-sething!
I'm not the one who absolutely had to give my post a (you) with no other imput whatsoever. You know I am right. You can replicate most of this "look" with old walmart clothes, this is how normie it is.

>>10448339
don't bother. these young weebs don't know that fashion isn't so rigid.

>>10448339
coord collage challenge: create a proto-inspired look using only items from the walmart website

>>10450059
nayrt

>>10448184
Seething is that one bitchy gull's new buzzword and sorry you're pushing it this hard

>>10454890
pure genius

>>10454898
You realize seething has been a board word for probably longer than you've been here, right? This isn't any one anon's vernacular. You sound like a lunatic.

>>10454906
not sure if that's the word i'd use for this
>pure autism

Has anyone got a blog/yt video describing Proto vs Old school?

>>10461800
bait

>>10461802
How ?

Dumping a few Atsuki Onishi shots

not sure if brand shoots are allowed but frankly this whole thread is super arbitrary anyway

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>>10461819
Fecal matter chan could look this good if she actually tried.

>>10461819
Looks like my high school bf.

>>10461800
Some jp wiki entry says:
>ロリータルック
>ロリィタファッションの前身となるファッションスタイル。まだ「ロリータ」という言葉が「少女のようなあどけなさが残る女性」というざっくりとしたイメージか、でなければ、吾妻ひでおのキャラクターや空モモのことだった1980年代に、前者のイメージでデザインされた服装。
電通の広告景気年表を見ると1987年のファッションのところに「キャリアルックからロリータルックへ-ミニ丈のフレア,女学生風の白い衿,フリルやリボンなどのディテールが流行る。」とあり、その翌年の1988年に楠木まきの「KISSxxxx」が連載開始。
当時、ヒロインの蟹かめのに憧れてMILKやJaneMarpleなどの服を着る読者も多く、ロリィタファッションの歴史を辿る際、この時の流行を「第一次ロリィタブーム」とする人もいる。(ちなみに第二次は後述する1990年代半ばのロリィタパンクで、1998年~2002年頃までのゴスロリブームが第三次。第四次が下妻となる。)

>>10447972
is that ai yazawa art?

I love this era of lolita so much.

this photo of emilie autumn is pretty proto

I looked up ophelia's insta because someone said on here that she was one that made up the term "proto" and I wanted to get an idea of what it was, but it seems like a lot of what she tags as proto looks to me like just casual lolita so I'm confused. How does it differ exactly?

>>10462270
She didn't make up the term, she's just the same kind of stupid that thinks otome is casual lolita without petticoat. The actual japanese definition of lolita's prototype can be found in >>10462072

>>10446421
Olive magazine

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I love these. Even without following the typical lolita rules/guidelines they still give me that whimsical feeling. Is that what proto is? Lolita aesthetic without the rules?

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>>10445558
I love this

>>10462585
for most people, yes. It's just a convenient term to group pics with a particular feeling under, I don't get why anons are constantly butthurt over it

>>10462305
So there's nobody really dressing like this anymore?

>>10462732
i follow a couple of girls in instagram who obviously have proto as their inspo.
have your tried looking at the proto lolita tags ?

>>10462836
I have looked, but it doesn't seem like a very active tag. There's nothing compelling on there. Do you have any accounts you recommend?

>>10462732
They do, there was a survey on it a few years ago and most just tag it Pink House because they are the only ones still cathering to it.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/%E3%83%94%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AF%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A6%E3%82%B9/

>>10462868
This is too specific though, it's all just Pink House styling. I suppose it would be difficult to find a tag that encompasses all of these early lolita styles.

>>10462072
Can you post the source wiki entry? All I found is some rando's ameblo.

>>10462305
>She didn't make up the term,
She literally did though and her friends/fans just went with it.

>>10462072
>Lolita look
>Lolita look was the forerunner of Lolita fashion.The clothes were designed with the former image in the 1980s, when the word "Lolita" was still a rough image of "a woman with the innocence of a young girl" or, if not, the characters of Azuma Hideo and Sora Momo.
A look at the Dentsu advertising timeline shows that in 1987, the fashion section of the magazine says: "From the career look to the Lolita look - mini-length flares, schoolgirl-style white collars, ruffles and bows and other details were all the rage.The following year, in 1988, Kusunoki Maki's "KISSxxxx" began to appear in serial form.
At the time, many readers admired the heroine Kani Kameno and wore clothes like MILK and JaneMarple, and when looking back on the history of Lolita fashion, some people refer to this time as the "first Lolita boom".(Incidentally, the second Lolita punk boom was the Lolita punk boom of the mid-1990s, which will be described later, and the third was the gothic Lolita boom from 1998 to 2002.The fourth one is Shimotsuma.)

apparently proto gothic lolita was called transgal? (トランスギャル)

>>10464333
she did not, proto lolita as short "prototype lolita" has been around since the early 00s on egl, where have you been

apparently proto gothic lolita was called trancegal (トランスギャル)

>>10465324
I thought she got the term from the "wiki article" above?
>where have you been
On egl, instead of making up dumb shit like that.

>>10465668
>I thought she got the term from the "wiki article" above?
Nobody said that, read again, and the word "prototype" is nothing new.

>>10465328
do not even begin

>>10465700
not like if the wiki entry for gothic lolita didn't have all that info too tho
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B7%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF#%E3%83%8A%E3%82%B4%E3%83%A0%E3%82%AE%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%81%A8%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AE%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AB%E3%82%88%E3%82%8B%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B7%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%81%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%81%AE%E8%9E%8D%E5%90%88

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>10465741
On Rococo it's stated that it was simply "gothic" or an alternate girly way to dress kurofuku. No need to use "proto gothloli"

>>10465751
a prototype is still a prototype, no need to be salty

>>10465751
>kurofuku
pPlease stop

>>10465751
>kurofuku
Please don't throw around with japanese terms you don't seem to know what they mean, this is literally just "black school uniform".

>>10465780
you're the uncultured one, anon. nayrt but that's exactly how they used to call all-black clothing people started to wear for underground club-shows after work. Hence, this proto shit y'all like to call.

>>10465780
>this is literally just "black school uniform".
that's literally "black clothes" you dummy. Stop using GTranslate for fucks sake.

>>10465694
The article doesn't even use the word prototype and neither did we use "prototype lolita" or "proto lolita" on egl back then. Stop this nonsense.

>>10465694
>not knowing that the goddess Ophelia invented the word "prototype"

fucking newfags

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>>10466130
Spotted the roleplayers.
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=008679141808017293236%3Ajpenvkpwr7a&q=proto+lolita&sa=Search+EGL

>>10466130
>>10466153
You sure are new
https://egl.livejournal.com/9220368.html

>>10466130
>The article doesn't even use the word prototype
NTA but 前身 is also used as the kanjis for prototype

>>10466228
>1998: The remake of the movie "Lolita" is released.
>Adrian Lyne remakes Stanley Kubrick's 1961 "Lolita." It is based on Vladimir Nabokov's novel "Lolita," which is the origin of the terms "Lolita complex" and "Lolita fashion."
>(NOTE: So what?)
I appreciate this honesty.

>>10466228
>not even the post about the topic, but one comment
Wow you sure showed me, guess my own actual knowledge from that time doesn't count anymore.

>>10466230
Only from the meaning. And I can ensure you O. is not versed in japanese, if she even read that blogpost.

The Japanese wiki literally says that Transgyaru is considered by SOME PEOPLE to have been the predecessor to gothic lolita. I think people in this thread take the "Proto" phrase too literally. We're just talking about the old styles that eventually led to lolita.

>>10466291
before you get rolled by radfems, it's trance gyaru. as in trance music.

>>10467258
It's transgyaru. It refers to the record label TRANS RECORDS, similar to how Nagomu refers to a music label.

>>10466228
Thank you for digging up that link. This 90s Pink House goodness is in the comments and I thought I’d share it here as well. For me, that is photo lolita.

>>10466291
The discussion was about the term "proto lolita" and who's trying to force it, of course it is literally.

>>10467901
This is such a hot mess, I wonder if it was considered 'cute" or "lady like" at that time.

>>10467901
I love old pink house so much. it looks so cozy

>>10467907
As if day-glo prints with food and wacky carnivals all over it screams lady-like elegance

>>10467907
Ayrt - let’s be real, normies judged these girls back then and they judge us now. I doubt they see they difference.
And even inside the fashion people can hardly agree on what looks good beyond the absolute basics. Personal preference.

And fashion evolves. It’s interesting how we’ve almost come full circle with the longer, low poof skirts by now.

>>10467907
not really. no. it's more of an exaggeration of a "lady like" look.

>>10466228
thank you for providing us this link, now I can do a ton of research !

>>10467962
How does that relate to the question from before?

>>10467975
I see. I cannot understand exactly what kind of feeling they're trying to convey with these clothes.

So, itas.

>>10468288
YES! Thank you. Someone here has taste.

>>10468288

Pretty much, "proto" or whatever you want to call it is essentially before lolita got good

>>10468517
Lolita never got good.

>>10468519

No one's twisting your arm to hang out here and bitch about it. Hide those threads and go away if you're not into lolita.

>>10454898
Kek lurk more before pretending to be an oldfag newfag

>>10462577
This looks just like Larme

>>10462588
I love this Olive Girl aesthetic. It’s pretty much how I dressed all through high school and college (although that’s because I really was the New England private school girl they’re emulating, and intentionally out of date).

>>10468259
nayrt but I'm fairly sure they mean modern sweet lolita by "day-glo prints with food and wacky carnivals all over it", essentially saying the same as >>10467973 which I agree with.
>>10468288
hide the thread if it's gonna put your knickers in a twist, some of us like to have actual fun

>>10468259
I think it's sort of like the recent "cottagecore" boom, people are tired of suburban areas and just want to chill in a cozy little cabin, stroll through a garden and dress like Little House on the Prairie, but with the frilly dial turned up to 11.

I think the feeling proto lolita is trying to convey is: cutesy and detailed, but not too fanciful that you have to worry about ruining it when you just want to loiter around the streets of Harajuku or go see a concert with your friends on the weekend.

What OTT lolita is trying to convey besides excessive vainglory, I dunno

>>10447001
I see asians wearing these chunky soled shoes all the time. Mostly more modern styles though.

>>10447001
tokyo bopper! there are also pretty good replicas of their shoes out there too

>>10481978
big tokyo booper fan, please help me find good replicas, how do i search for them

>>10482009
i know antaina and bodyline have carried replicas in the past but taobao and alie should work too.

>>10466228
dis some interesting shit

>>10481978

I was also going to suggest Tokyo Bopper. Their chunky shoes give me that old school clown shoe aesthetic in a good way

>>10482009
They have free international shipping at the moment so support them directly if you can!

wtf.
Almost all of this is legit oldschool.

Fallen so far, yet still got a lot further from god to go

>>10482245
>Keras super lolita idol
>Everybody is interested in this bear made from a VW towel
>Not wearing pants is my policy
>An important rule is that you must not wear gyaru style socks or tights
>But your heels mustn't be too high
>My daily rule: Always fighting gals!

>>10445552
>Anons complained that proto didn't belong in the old school thread
How does it not? Are they autisttic?

>>10482515
you are pretty late to the party

>>10482532
Yeah, I haven't checked /cgl/ in a few weeks. What about it?

>>10483964
This thread is months old. Check the archives.

Atsuki Onishi fashion from 1987.
https://www.web-across.com/observe/cnsa9a000006selh.html

>>10445565
I hate cowboy hats, but it somehow works with this outfit.