/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10443874
And that concludes this thread

>>10443874
the most sustainable practice is to stop buying new clothes entirely and coord with what you have

Why was a whole thread made for this? And why is a niche fashion responsible for being sustainable?

>>10443881
It really belongs in the stupid questions thread

>>10443881
>And why is a niche fashion responsible for being sustainable?
Whatever fashion is

As far as I know, AP is the only brand that uses third world sweatshops, and only sometimes. Apparently no1curr about their ethics though.

I would say buying things that you intend to keep rather than the typical constant buying/selling cycle would help a lot.

Sustainability is rewearing your clothes and spending less but we all know we're not going to do that

>>10443881
This isn't the first time a thread has been made on the topic, but the first one was derailed by people who argued the same thing as you, hurr durr why should we care about the environment.
I know it might not mean anything to you now but if we destroy the earth you won't get to enjoy your pretty clothes anymore. And fashion is one of the most harmful industries contributing to that.

Said facts here but taobao shoes, some dresses, and the nice indie enamel pins everyone likes are made in chinese in sweatshops. Guess what's also fast fashion?

>>10443888
It's not just about environment, but also fair pay for those making lolita clothes. Although I believe if lolita were costing fairly these would be on a par with actual luxury clothes.

Only use fabric from recycled oil rags.

>>10443888
The way food is mass produced is also killing the planet. Same with corporations dumping toxic waste. I don't think lolita is the problem.

>>10443890
AP is made in sweatshop shitholes like Myanmar and the Philippines. China's conditions are actually way better than those. Does that make them fast fashion too?

>>10443890
>>10443902
That's not how fast fashion is defined.

>>10443901
I vaguely remember reading something that said that most of the environmental damage humans cause can be attributed to a few companies. I doubt AP's sweatshops are making a significant difference.

>>10443942
>I'm the fast fashion police
It's sweat shop production! Call it like it is. Not small batch local businesses local or upcycled/second hand which is the ideal. Niche fashion has this eco problem since it's so specific, only so many things can be reused. And not everyone wants to wear reused clothing all the time for sanitary reasons.

Luxury clothing like Lolita or even cosplay culture isnt really the most eco friendly thing in the world.

>>10443942
>>10443901
It's something like 100 companies are responsible for 73 percent of all emissions

>>10443901
>>10443964
I'm aware of that, and I never said they weren't. Yes, lolita may not be the worst, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed. Every sector can afford to be more sustainable. If you let everyone besides big oil and fast food corporations off the hook just by virtue of not being the worst offenders, we would still have a significant problem on our hands.

>>10443974
Oh I know and I agree with you, I was just clarifying

Lolita is, in my opinion, a pretty ethical style overall. Certainly better than fast fashion. I know a lot of people say AP is going the "fast fashion" route, and while the quality isn't as good as it once was, it's certainly still nicer than most clothes, and the high price tag and limited availability encourages most buyers to take good care of their clothes. Plus, with such a great second hand market, clothes stay around, sometimes for decades.
I do question the working conditions of places where AP outsources to. I wish they would keep producing in Japan, even if it means an inflated price tag.

>>10443958
Then call it sweatshop production.

Lolita doesn't contribute to sustainability issues the same way that fast fashion does. Production runs are on much smaller scales, releases being sold out before they're even made is a common occurrence, and we have a thriving secondhand market. Clothing going to the landfill after one wear is not an issue. The only lolita I've ever thrown out were socks that I had worn through, everything else either gets sold or cut repurposed into something else.

Lolita has problems with things like unethical labour practices, and ecologically-unfriendly fabric/trim manufacturing processes, but that's very different from it being fast fashion.

>>10443884
>AP is the only brand
Doesn't BABY produce some pieces in China as well? At least the have components, like their charms, that are all imported from China.

>>10443979
This. /thread

>>10443988
China isn't a third world country.

>>10443988
Baby has a japanese factory. There is a video of it. Not sure how much it is used these days. Moitie is made in Japan.

>>10443888
>you have to write me a blank check for my unspoken list of hysterical, emotion-based demands or you want the planet to be destroyed!!!!1

>>10443993
You're right, by definition it's a second world country, it's also a globalist shithole where they cut people's organs out for joining the wrong religion or wanting democracy

>>10444058
> people who want to make sustainable choices are hysterical and emotional!!

You're the only one who sounds hysterical about it bud.
If you don't care about sustainability thats your own choice, but why bitch about people who do care?

>>10444058
We get it, you don't believe in climate change. Go away now?

>>10444058
Kek @ you believing sensationalist crap from western media. Bet you believe China deliberately created and released coronavirus too.

>>10444058
china bad we get it bro

>>10444067
Here comes the communist boot lickers

>>10443887
We are literally reselling and rewearing clothes, some 10-20 years old.

I wish you sustainability freaks would get your claws out of our jfash already. A tiny niche fashion that prizes limited secondhand goods and small designer boutiques is not the demographic to be preached at.

Please fuck off and pester egirls and fashion YouTubers.

>>10444085
For real though lolita is a fashion were clothes are reworn quite a lot especially with coord challenges or selling/buying secondhand. It's pretty ethical and slow.

>>10444085
Its weird how you perceive people talking amongst themselves about ways to be as sustainable as preaching at you when literally nobody is doing that. Its like you have some weird subconscious guilt when you hear about people trying to be eco-friendly.
If you dont like the discussion and don't have anything to add, then literally just leave instead of getting angry at us for talking about it. Its super weird at this point.

>>10443881
The fashion itself isn't responsible, no, but people are and some people choose to live their lives as sustainably as they can. Why does this bother you so much?

I guess not clothing related.
Though it seems Baby is trying to be somewhat conscious of the environment.

>>10444112
>us
Speak for yourself, you sound like an outsider imo. With a large secondhand market, the kind of jfash cgl is interested in has a greener footprint than mainstream fashion. Think bigger and go after corporate pollutors.

>>10444124
I'm aware that its primarily secondhand, but not everyone buys second so what is the harm in discussing sustainability?

Do you also know what supply and demand is?
Corporations pollute because there's a market for what they're selling. Everyone is responsible for the change they want to see, if you don't want to change your consumption habits because "hurrrdurr climate change big corporation fault me not at fault at ALL" then you're honestly just fucking lazy and dodging responsibility.

>>10444133
>not everyone buys secondhand
>lolita

You clearly don't go here.

>>10444142
Not that anon but I don't. Not yet at least, until I see my dream dress.

>>10444142
I dont even know what you're trying to imply here. Only real lolitas buy secondhand? Only cgl lolitas buy secondhand? Neither are true and Its beside the point completey, anyway.

>>10444146
Omg summerfags. Someone else deal with this shite.

Swear tf this place is turning into reddit. We should go back to using livejournal.

>>10444148
Hurr durr newfag hurrrr durrr summer fag omg im retarded and can't back up my stupid claims so I just meme
^ thats you

>>10444148
>Hurr durr newfag hurrrr durrr summerfag omg im retarded and have no real argument so I just regurgitate memes over and over

>>10444149
Not every platform is going to be catered to you 100% and people will discuss things you don't like. Grow up and deal with it.

>>10444151
Hurr durr hurr durr hurr durr hurr durr hurr durr you've never even had so much as a sniff of brand your entire 16 years or existence.

>>10444154
The only dresses I own are meta, baby, and AP but ok. Whatever helps you cope with other people having different opinions than you.

>>10444155
The fact that you said dresses instead of jsks or ops and only named the big 3 speaks volumes.

If you're worried about sustainability just don't buy post 2015 polyester crap or be a gross taobao ita.

>>10444157

Lmaooo OK, should I have gone through an in depth description of my entire wardrobe?
Its pretty common to just say dresses when referring to both jsks and ops but keep coping, retard.

>>10444160
people generally say main pieces but whatever helps you sleep better, larper.

>>10444163
Everyone who disagrees with you is a newfag and a larper huh? That's a cool way to live life bro. If it makes you feel better, I'll be crying about how much of a larper I am in all of my burando.

>>10444165
no one here is jelly of brand shit bb.

>>10444167

I dont think anyone is but you're all over the place.

"Omg you're suggesting some lolitas don't wear secondhand? Taoabaoita newfag larper!!!!"

Actually I own brand pieces bud

"Omg nobody cares about your brand"

I noticed that some accesories like small crown and scepter can be extremly fragile even if it's from brand. It's a bit sad to see plastic or metal stuff being poorly design like this and so harder to keep in good condition.

I'm not super good at the whole sustainability thing, but i do try to be conscious of it. I treat my lolita wardrobe pretty simiarly to how i treat my normie/goth wardrobe. Try to buy second hand ss much as I can, only buy things that will already fit in with clothing i already have (not quite a capsule wardrobe but Imost stuff I have matches the majority of other stuff in my wardrobe), and donating/reselling rather than binning clothes.

I think lolita in the most part is much more sustainable than other fashions, and i don't think we should sit and blame ourselves for partaking in it because like, people deserve to spoil themselves. However, i do think the 'buy amainpiece, wear it once, sell it and reship it across the world' mentality that some lolitas have isnt too dissimilar to the mentality of fast fashion.

I split my orders into separate parcels t pay less taxes. Is that too problematic in terms of carbon footprint?

>>10444338
>However, i do think the 'buy amainpiece, wear it once, sell it and reship it across the world' mentality that some lolitas have isnt too dissimilar to the mentality of fast fashion.
I both get and doesn't get it. What kind if effect it supposed to make? Like people should do less of mailing, so internetional transportation reduces an amount of trips, right?

>>10444338
>'buy amainpiece, wear it once, sell it and reship it across the world' mentality that some lolitas have isnt too dissimilar to the mentality of fast fashion
Maybe it’s my culture or my social circles or whatever, but the only people I know who buy clothing just to wear it once or twice are lolitas. Most normies I know wear their clothes until they’re worn out and even the people who do more regular closet cleanings and try to stay on trend will always resell or donate what they can, never just toss it in the trash. In fact I’m the one who gets criticised for 1) having more clothes than I can wear in a fortnight and 2) having multiple dresses that I only wear on special occasions.

>>10444350
Kind of yeah. I'm not saying that people shouldn't buy things internationally (because I know i do!) but I do try to only buy things that I know I will get a decent ampunt of wear out of. The point i was really getting at is the buying a dress, wearing it once, then reselling it isn't much different from the buying an outfit, wearing it once, and bunning it practice that you get with fast fashion. Like it might not be as bad for the environment, but the same rhinoing goes behind it.

>>10444351
Yeah, i definitely think it depends on culture, and maybe Im coming from my own (the uk). I know a lot of people (myself in the past) that buy cheap clothes, wear it once (or never at all) and then fir it to the back of their wardrobe never to be seen again

>>10444142
KEK not all of us are poorfags like you. I would never buy used. I prefer to directly support brands.

Lolita is what made me start feeling okay wearing used clothing. I started buying used because I couldn't afford new pieces, and I started treating each piece of clothing like a small treasure. This spilled over into my normie wardrobe and I've become way more conscious and eco friendly then before.

I still prefer natural fibers in my lolita wardrobe but as long as each piece is well made and really cherished and taken care of, I don't mind the polyester stuff. I really love my unbirthday jsk and it's a very basic polyester jsk.

>>10444360
Sometimes its not even a price thing but a release thing.
If you fall in love with a dress that hasn't had any rereleases or is just older than you being in lolita- what do you do?
I feel like people who say that they only buy brand new ever are liars or larpers.
Or are just people who only care about the newest AP release.

>>10444391
>I feel like people who say that they only buy brand new ever are liars or larpers.
>Or are just people who only care about the newest AP release.
I'd say it's 15% liars, 15% AP-chans and 70% poorfags who buy their "brand" exclusively from Taobao resellers because they're too intimidated by shopping services and the secondhand market.

>>10443874
Beyond making sure your clothes and accessories aren't being made from slave labour, i wouldn't worry too much. The clothes we buy are usually higher quality so they last longer and almost everyone buys second hand and mends their clothes instead of throwing them away or buying new.

Also, you can be the most enviromentaly conscious person ever and only wear potato sacks but that still won't have as much of an impact as not having kids. Personally i don't want kids so i have a clean conscience over buying pretty and useless stuff if it makes me happy.

Honestly if you want to be more sustainable in lolita you should only buy secondhand clothes from friends who live near you, rather than ordering new stuff from China and Japan. By ordering new stuff from China and Japan you're contributing to waste from plastic wrapping and packaging, as well as the carbon cost associated with international shipping on a boat or plane.

>>10444351
> the only people I know who buy clothing just to wear it once or twice are lolitas
Same here. I don't even see this happen in other jfash groups the way lolitas buy and sell like crazy. It's not sustainable anymore when you cause more emissions by wearing something twice and then selling half your wardrobe to buy a new half

>>10444391
>>10444396
Cope harder, poorfags. Don't cry when your fave brands have to close shop because you never supported them by buying new.

>>10444396
>70% poorfags who buy their "brand" exclusively from Taobao resellers because they're too intimidated by shopping services and the secondhand market.
This is me, but I'm not a poorfag. Especially now when some brands are not shipping to the U.S. directly and I'm apprehensive about using a shopping service.

>>10444434
That’s fair. Right now is just an awful time in general to be buying overseas, especially if it’s your first time using an SS. If you’re scared later on, maybe doing a GO with your comm may help?

>>10444433
>Don't cry when your fave brands have to close shop because you never supported them
>Implying they were not already dead
Cries in MM

>>10444433
Youre the on missing out on the thrill of the hunt for a dream dress or iconic piece.
I buy directly from brand and second hand because I buy what I like.
Some second hand pieces are worth more than what you bought something new for.
Case in point is puppet circus dollars for 900 dollars.
Or the other end the joy of getting a good deal on burando.

>>10444360
Shopping secondhand is a huge part of our community, it always have been. And It is relevant to the thread so I'm not sure that decrying someone as poorfag for buying mainly secondhand in a fashion that has its basis in the secondhand market has a point here...Egl sales/lacemarket/closetchild/maidenclothing/yahooauctions/mbok/fril/mercari etc all thriving... Do you even have a dreamdress if you buy only new cause the past 5 years very little new has convinced me to buy(sure you are a mentally ill larper btw i have seen you shitting up other threads)

Classic fairytales was the last new thing i bought from ap thats a looong time ago now but I lean towards sweet classic and the newer dresses don't do it for me. Innocent world and meta would be the only brands i keep up with. Baby polyesters not my thing. I have two of their polyesters, they are lovely but its not my thing. Own their best prints already. They still release old school cotton quite a bit but being an oldfag I own enough of them and they are quite boring to me by now having worn them first time around.The chinesey rococco princess look isn't for me coming up on 40 and having been in the fashion since 06 I just want to finish up buying the few older pieces I don't have and to to be left in peace.

If you only buy new what the hell kind of taste do you have that you think the new messy churned out prints are great? Personally not liked anything new by ap. Even the newer kira imai's weren't beautiful. Tempted by halloween treats but the quality looked awful so i passed on by. The valentine pint was cute too but an older meta cat print did it better for me.
Half of the ap threads on here are lamenting the quality/cuts of newer releases or newfags crying that they don't have access to 2007-2012 sweet lolita releases.This poor fag pretty happy scooped up old ap releases for 50-100 several years ago. I even got some baby coats for under 30 & coat of arms tartan or 10 cause it was missing its bow.

>>10444496
Bro this is so long

>>10444670
What is it with people on this board and refusing to read anything longer than two sentences anymore.

>>10444677
its 4chan what the fuck do you expect?
You must be new here. Go back to tumblr plsss

>>10444681
>you must be new here
>plssss

>>10444686
not bait. Just sick of redditors like you thinking everyone wants to read your fucking novel of a post. You're not important or interesting enough, sorry.

>>10444687
I'm not even the anon that wrote that long ass post I'm just tired of illiterate anons shitting up the board whining about posts being too long, it's like you guys actively hate any discussion that takes more than five brain cells to work out. If your attention span is that bad go back to twitter.

>>10444689
*yawn*

>>10444496
You keep mentioning AP like it's the only brand.

>>10444496
Not everyone simps for AP
There are other brands that release quality pieces

>>10444496
Great blogposting. Doesn't reflect the greater reactions and opinions of the lolita community though, especially since other brands than ap exist and have released prints in the last 5 years.

>>10444689
Yeah long posts are ok but that post is so long and yet so void of any substance

>>10444360
I just hate the new stuff brand releases.

What sustainabilit you guys mean?
I can do a life cycle assesment if you guys want this would lead to an result where an outfit is broken down into indicators saying how much co2 equivalent is polluted into the atmosphere for one dress

>>10445566
That would be very cool actually. I'm interested.

>>10444399
>Not having kids
Humans can live sustainably anon. They can even have a positive impact. You're just letting huge corporations fool you into thinking it's your fault.

>>10445657
Girl, it's numbers. Unless you live in bumfuck nowhere in a sustainable self-sufficient farm your child will have a negative impact on the enviroment simply by being alive and needing to eat, have access to energy, transportation and a million other things we do everyday to survive specially on a 1st world country with some semblance of quality of life.

Have children if you want but it's good to be conscious and to not worry yourself too much over buying pretty things once in a while if you don't want kids.

>>10444058
Yes, it's a second world country so you know that a reputable factory can exist on the next street over from a child-labor sweatshop. Of course, this is China so it's more town to town or province to province.

It's whatever practices commerce feeds.

As far as sustainability, it's greener then most. For starters, less is produced then what can be sold, and, yes, the secondhand market is large.

>>10444410
Most are paying EMS or epacket therefore it's shipped on a plane that would be leaving anyways. After all, most passenger planes contain cargo including shipments on every flight.

That's partially why, outside contamination issues, why international mail has died. No one is riding planes right now, and it's very cost prohibitive to send a plane just to ship packages.

>>10443874
The most suitable practice would be not to wear it at all kek

>>10443884
>>10443988
Another reason why Meta is superior

>>10445667
But I never fully understood if the impact of having a child stems from the child rearing/maintenance, or just the continuation of the human race which consistently damage the environment? Is the problem having children or having more people (and some would argue we can’t just stop having people).

>>10443874
Lolita has a lot of pretty sustainable practices already, with how much we buy secondhand, care about our clothes so they last a long time with us and don’t really have a culture of stuff getting “out of fashion”. Also, it’s nice that a lot of the brand clothing is being produced in Japan itself and not in swetshops.

That said, if we personally want it to get more sustainable I would say we should have a preference towards buying locally so the pieces don’t need to be shipped across the globe. Also, buying stuff we are sure to be using a lot. Don’t get pressured by social media into always having to wear different outfits. Giving preference to the quality of the pieces and to pieces produced ethically instead of in swetshops, I’m not confident that shitty taobao brands and shitty synthetic brand releases will be lasting as much as older pieces.

Having tracked sustainable raw material is hella expensive, specially for small business, and it also don’t usually really match the lolita aesthetics because sustainability freaks usually like to dress boring minimalist earth toned stuff so unfortunately I will say that I don’t think it’s possible to have it in our fashion right now.

>>10445780
The problem is having more people living the unsustainable lifestyle we live.

>>10445667
You're measuring quality of life by western ideas of "civilization" and think the most sustainable option is a family farm. Your child would certainly be unsustainable considering that your life and ideas about it are.

Sustainability is stupid zoomer shit

>>10454698
You don't think climate change is real, huh?
Just stoopid zoOmEr sHiT

>>10454698
Enjoy dying prematurely to climate change.

>>10445657
>It's not people's fault, evil corporations force them to buy things
Let me guess, you're pro communism

>>10454732
Not everyone who believes in climate change is a leftist, retard.

>>10454737
No, but falling over yourself to absolve anyone of any personal responsibility whatsoever is distinctly leftist.

>>10454732
>because consumers have direct control over where and how products are produced and corporations are definitely transparent with their sourcing

>>10454746
It's called not buying stuff from corporations you don't like

>>10454744
True dat tho...

>>10454748
>Here! Look what you can do! I don't care if you're already doing it! Just ignore what corporations are doing that have a much larger footprint and influence over the climate!

I either wear my clothes until they fall apart or I sell them. I've turned a JM dress that couldn't been saved anymore into cleaning rags and 2 years later I still use them to clean my bike every other day. In my opinion this is much better than buying fast fashion. The worst thing you can actually though do is donating used clothing, unless you know for sure they are going somewhere locally to people in need. Usually they end up in landfills anyway or somewhere in Africa and this destroys their local industries and environment beyond recognition.

>>10454698
>>10454698

OK zoomer

>>10454764
Corporations make stuff for people moron. They don't pollute the environment to make stuff for no reason

>>10454854
>somewhere in Africa and this destroys their local industries and environment beyond recognition.
This is a lie spread by China lol. They can't sell their brand new clothes to Africa if Africans are selling inexpensive old clothes.

>>10454949
Kek how many of these Chinese conspiracy anons are around? Or is it just one in all the threads?

>>10455456
I mean, China does a lot of shady stuff? Look into it. https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/what-americans-dont-understand-about-donating-their-used-clothes

This thread has gone to shit

>>10455483
It was already shit to begin with lol

>>10443874
Dumping polyester entirely for natural fabrics would probably be a huge improvement desu

>>10455470
>thinking that corporations being greedy and wanting to make max profits is a "shady chinese" thing

>>10455538
Oh no here comes the wacism police

>>10454949
Old clothes are shipped to Africa the way other garbage went to Asia but with the illusion of charity. Most of the clothes people donate are barely wearable and not necessarily suited to the climates/lifestyles in the places they arrive, but also they have a negative impact on local clothing producers and the local economies.
There are those who upcycle old clothes or use them for art projects, but it still isn’t a perfect selfless charity to dump old clothes on Africa.
China still sells clothes all over Africa and manufacture clothes there as well. If it is all “a lie spread by China” it certainly hasn’t done much to stop it.

>>10455543
More like classism

Id like to get this thread back on track, please. no more [country] bad.
I think swap meets are a great way to obtain clothes sustainably, even for people who are fussy about buying secondhand. I’d say about 60% of my wardrobe is from local swap meets. You know exactly who you’re buying from and selling to, and it’s almost always cheaper than shopping online because you’re paying in your own currency and there’s no shipping. I guess some downsides would be that what’s on offer is limited, you have to wait multiple months between meets, and you need at least a medium sized comm in order for it to be worth doing.
>how often does your comm do swap meets?
>do you buy a lot at swap meets or do you prefer to mostly sell things instead?
>if your comm doesn’t do swap meets very often, would you consider organising one?
>best find?
>any other thoughts?

>>10443874
Shut the fuck up dork

I want to learn how to sew but it seems so wasteful to practice on fabric if i know i'll fuck up the first projects. Cotton takes a lot of water and space to grow but the cheapest fabrics around here seem to be cotton based.

>>10464089

Old bedsheets. Pick cute ones if you want but I use old bedsheets as an alternative to making a muslin and save them to trace customized patterns from after I've fitted them properly.

So if donating old clothes to charity is bad apparently, what should be done with them?

>>10464091
I don't have any :( i'll ask around for them

>>10464102

Thrift shops and hoarder grandparents are where I get mine from. My grandma also often has old fabric she doesn't end up sewing things with that she gifts me as well.