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Place your bets: Will AP finally release Rose Tea Garden this weekend, or will it be yet another round of uninspired non-prints?

>>10433208
Just yelled at that BIN

>>10433233
some ita will buy it

The AP ice cream jewelry is finally being released, plus a rerelease of Ice Cream Parlor

>>10433251
source? i don't see an announcement anywhere

real question is when apusa is gonna release cats tea party

missed out on the ap japan and paris releases so ive been stalking the facebook and instagram since

>>10433264
It is only a few leftover pieces in small quantities, not a re-release. Best to get a SS anon.

>>10433254
Are you blind? It’s right on the homepage. http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/ice_cream_parlor/index2.htm

>>10433270
apparently lol, thanks anon

>>10433266
fr? ngl im kind of a newfag so how would i get around ordering...would they be mail order from the ap stores or something?

>>10433251

God the ring and necklace is so cute and perfect but that hair clip is ita regretsy tier hot garbage to me I fucking hate it.

>>10433277
I hate it too, they should have used the same design as the necklace and ring

>>10433286

Agreed. I pity the AP whore who has FOMO from losing literally any other piece from this release in the bloodbath and wastes ¥3800 on this as a consolation prize because they want something so bad.

>>10433274
You're way too late if you're asking how to buy it right now. Every SS has been full up since they showed the preview months ago

>>10433251
Already crying over here about this release. Going to be beyond impossible. I have a spot with my SS, but even they are warning this is going to be particularly difficult because of scalpers. I could see people reselling these for $200-$300 honestly.

>>10433319
Yeah, I paid $100 for the magical balloon ring and necklace. I'm not doing that shit again

>>10433331
As a set, that's actually not too terrible. I wanted the lavendar colorway because I already had the original, and I pretty much gave up once it was announced it was a Yokohama exclusive.

It doesn't help either that everyone wants the pink colorway of this release. AP always releases one good colorway and there's another that no one wants.

>>10433336
I wanted the lavender too, I’m so sad it was an exclusive. And even when it does get scalped online it’s snatched before us foreigners can get to it

>>10433337
Feels bad that burgerland gets so few exclusives, if any. Forced scarcity at its finest.

>>10433336
Why didn't they just change the colors of the ice cream on the print? All the colorways, mint especially, could have been adorable.

>>10433346

They don't seem to ever recognise that one of the colourways or two are duds.

Mind you, I like the mint choco one the best, and I'm surprised to learn others like the sax x pink one the most, so I can see AP designers going into production thinking they're all winners with no duds.

>>10433340
The ninth anniversary exclusives sucked and some weren’t even exclusives. Not feeling too optimistic about this year’s tenth

>>10433392
I guess they can't just not release the same amounts of accessories for each?
Mint was my favorite until I became conscious of the ice cream colors clashing with it, now I like pink x sax more. I don't even know what they were thinking with red x blue though.

>>10433225
Rose Tea Garden will release in autumn, anon. The designers said so in the virtual teaparty.

>>10433264
>apusa
Took me a minute to realize this was AP USA and not Ah poos ah

>>10432368
So this looks almost identical to the Lyrical Bunny from Fancy Whip... cry me a river but it's not very original and anyone can have this design. It is however funny/sad that the girl copied her version

>>10433468
C'mon. We already had an entire thread wasted for this discussion.

>>10433468
The original tattoo looks inspired by this which is fine, it's different enough. The other girl's artist copied the tattoo line for line and didn't even change that much. They did her a bad service, it should be the artist receiving the backlash for the obvious lack of professionalism. Sage for OT because let this discussion die already or take it to the farm or whatever.

>>10433400

I think the accessories are already in production by the time it's going up on the online store, so they'll probably match the initial release.

Now, if they do a re-release, chances are AP would just drop the less popular colours, the same way they only re-released Honeycake in limited cut/colours, or that time they released Dream Sky in 3 different shades of blue.

They usually do adjust the colours on different colourways, the cones seem to be darker on the mint colourway. I think they went for more higher saturation contrast on the mint choco version and more washed out on the pastel sax x blue. It's all good, if we like different things we don't have to fight over the same colourways.

I did kind of wonder if the red x blue was supposed to be some sort of 4th of July dress, but the jewellery release is just kinda really late for that, or maybe the covid messed up their schedule for that?

>>10433482
>saging the general
God. The absolute state of cgl these days.

Instead of feeding the tattoo troll, can we talk about how unwanted this jewelry will be in comparison to the ice cream stuff? Also, the design of these are just laughable.

>>10433515
this is unironically claire's tier. take away the AP charm and nobody would want it

>>10433468
Unrelated but I didn't know that Fancy Whip's art was so cute, the cookies are adorable. I never paid attention to it because the print layout and the dress itself are hideous.

>>10433515
I can't believe AP is just continuing down the path of cheap shitty "classic" princessy shit and not leaning into the OTT sweet revival.

>>10433524
It's just very uninspired and blah. That fabric for the bow is even the kind that frays like crazy if it's not perfectly sealed too. And the giant glass stone will instantly get scratched or chipped. I've bought one of those tiaras new from AP before and the stones were already damaged by the time it got to me.

>>10433528
I'll all for princess-y/hime styles, but this isn't it. Pic related is so much better and less "normie."

>>10433515
Seriously you’re paying for the charm at this point.

>>10433504
Replying with a sage just for (You) anon <3

>>10433538
i bought the Sweet Ribbon Ring, and the paint on it has already chipped

>>10433515
>>10433528

I think it's just continuing the... whatever trend started with that Larme dotty dress. I wouldn't buy that, would buy revival sweet, but it sold out and got a re-release later on, so who knows. Either AP's got its head up its arse or it's catering to another market western lolitas aren't into. It wouldn't be first time a release is unpopular in the west and a bloodbath in one or the other eastern markets.

What email address can I use to contact AP in regards to rereleases/examples of scalping? I really want to link them all the listings of the Ice Cream Parlor jewelry that go up on fril/mercari this weekend.

Is it just no use?

>>10433572
What? Brands don’t control the secondhand market, they won’t do shit. Scalper bought it, it’s their private property, and they can list it on whatever auction site for whatever astronomical price they want. Don’t be an idiot and please don’t send anything.

>>10433573
I'm asking because there was an anon in the last thread saying that AP considers rereleases if they see a lot of scalping going on. I'm not going to ask AP to stop the scalpers.. I know they can't. I just want to provide them with the listings so they can see that people are abusing the releases, then MAYBE they'll consider multiple releases of the Ice Cream Parlor jewelry.

>>10433573

But AP may see the extreme popularity of the item and this harmful secondhand market behavior as a sign that they should increase their production runs if they can.

>>10433576
ap already pays attention to the 2nd hand market and they already implement all they are going to implement to keep people from scalping.

>>10432977
On the topic of AP's production, I was interested so I checked a few of mine.

I saw dresses made in Japan, the Philippines, Myanmar and China. There didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the location.

My MTOs are made in Japan (Milkshake skirt), the Philippines (Cats Tea Party) and Myanmar (Pompadour).

Interestingly enough, the dresses from 2010 - 2012 I checked were all made in the Philippines and some new dresses were made in Japan.

>>10433580

Stopping scalping and just producing more stock/enough that it would naturally be less of an issue for general release are two different things. It also benefits AP financially to release more, have real customers buy it, maybe some scalpers get through but enough lolitas bought from them that few people have the urge to buy from the scalper anyway and AP still gets the money.

>>10433590
That’s the thing. I’m sure they know if they made more it would only benefit them. Why do they insist on not having my money?

>>10433590
not at all. this issue is more complicated than just making more of each release. unfortunately, a lot of actual lolitas scalp new releases, not just randos. scalping, in any market is unavoidable, especially if people continue purchase scalped items and keep that part of the market alive. AP is a company, not a charity or something, they need to operate in a comfortable level of business. not everyone is going to get the dresses they want and some of them are going to get scalped even if AP made more dresses.

>>10433336
It was still around $40 more than what it would have been retail, with shipping and SS fees it was more like 130

Not worth it to me, I'm just not a $200 necklace-chan.

>>10433597
I guess that's a little steeper. I'm debating on if I want to pay scalped prices for this release if my SS is not successful (which, who am I kidding... I probably won't be lucky enough because I only want the most popular colorway.)

To be fair, there are a couple of AP pieces I'd pay $200 for, just because they are so old and difficult to get now. But $400 LM necklace-chan is a different story. There's diminishing returns at some point.

>>10433208
is this cat ears? yikes!

>>10433593

It's unavoidable but if there were item purchase limits per credit card or account for each colorway on release day or whatever measures they take (baby cancels orders that violate release or reservation rules for example) then scalpers would simply be unable to buy as much stock to scalp in bulk.

More individual people who intend to just buy one and keep the item would be buying and the general feeling of hopelessness about releases that leads to individual lolitas buying from scalpers is less pressing and they will also know there are more people who got it and may sell it for normal prices secondhand since more people buying it increases the chance at least one will end up not wanting it and selling for normal retail when they get it.

It's a combination of reducing scarcity, increasing purchasing opportunities for the real customers and limiting the ability of scalpers to mass purchase things. Getting more pieces into the hands of people who actually want it for themselves and not profit is the key.

On top of that people may become disillusioned with AP as a brand if they don't put more serious effort into anti-scalping measures. It's obviously not the designers' job or shopgirls or whoever to handle this but I am sure they have someone somewhere handling the business end who can hire someone or look thoroughly at what to do to improve the situation.

>>10433604
>people may become disillusioned with AP
This.
This is actually very harmful to a brand.

>>10433593
I think the issue is pretty simple. I think it is about AP just making more. If they made more, it would decrease the demand and scalpers would have less of an opportunity to prey on desperate people. It would still happen, but you wouldn't have people willing to pay $100-$150 for wristcuffs, because like the other anon said..
>they will also know there are more people who got it and may sell it for normal prices secondhand

>>10433598
There's a couple of dresses I'd pay $400 for... but a resin ring? that's prone to breaking, scratching, easy to lose? Fuck that, that's just a dumb waste of money.

Some of these AP accessories are being sold for more than actual dresses are, it's crazy. I really regret not buying when prices for rings were $30-40, and even that I thought was too expensive

>>10433610
Why doesn't AP just do an MTO for jewelry like they did with the honey cake?
Although people are still scalping the shit out of the Honey Cake re-release items secondhand. But at least the MTO means more stock is made so there's more a chance for people who want it to be able to own it

>>10433610
Nayrt but I agree with you on both points. People are slowly becoming disillusioned with AP and while it’s partially about decreasing quality, people are mostly upset that when they want a release, they give up hope before it even comes out. It takes all the fun out of it.

If AP would make larger quantities, they’d still sell out but scalpers wouldn’t have as much of a market. AP would make more money. I don’t see a downside.

>>10433615
I’m actually REALLY surprised that the Ice Cream Parlor rerelease isn’t an MTO, especially since AP usually does an MTO or two for popular spring dresses during the bazaar.

>>10433617
The print is so cute and perfect but the fabric looks like shit, and I'm saying that as someone that likes poly, as it's easier to care for and prints are more vibrant-looking than with cotton. However, I'd still consider getting a JSK if it was an MTO

>>10433614
I have major regrets too. I lost an auction for an old AP necklace 1.5 years-ish ago because I didn't want to pay $50-$60. The same necklace sold for $180 on japanese secondhand a couple weeks ago. I'm willing to pay that now. I wanted to just die. I don't think there's any ring I'd pay hundreds for though. I'd totally dish out for a Melty-kun necklace.

I admit that I've spent more on a single accessory than some of my dresses, and they are both AP. It's not a good feeling. It sucks, and I've thought about leaving the fashion because of it. I have the money, but I feel like I get shivved by sellers all the time now. Every now and then I get a good deal which feels good, but those are becoming rarer and rarer.

>>10433619
Me too, anon. I just don’t care enough to try and get it otherwise just to be disappointed

>>10433619
>>10433622
I love the print and I was actually one of the people who spread that image around of the tote bag before many others knew about it. But as soon as I knew the dress was cotton, I didn't want it. All it took was that one thing and it killed the dress for me.

>>10433625

The dress isn't cotton; it's poly, isn't it?

>>10433620
>>10433622
I'm starting to look into taobao or indie etsy for accessories and socks now, I'm sick of fighting 100 other people for 10 rings. I am not in this fashion to compete with others, I just like cute clothes. I'm a huge AP brandwhore, 95% of my closet is AP but I'm just not into such fierce competition over forced scarcity when AP is entirely capable of just... making more

>>10433627
I think they meant to say wasn't, instead of was

>>10433625
I hate that AP won’t make cotton prints anymore. It’s not like I think every print should be cotton but man it would be nice if some were. The recent Toy Doll Box MTO will be cotton so they’re obviously still capable of it, they just don’t want to

>>10433625
>>10433627
>>10433630
>>10433630
Ugh, I'm stupid. I meant *wasn't cotton

>>10433631
I wish I could have afforded to get on that MTO. Hope people will list theirs up secondhand once they start arriving.

>>10433634

They're cotton AND a harder to get print. I also missed out on the MTO and I'm just going to have to pray scalpers don't scalp it as bad since they prolly spent a lot of their cash on the polyester HC hype

>>10433634
>>10433636
All I can say is... good luck? And I'm being sincere. Toy Doll Box wasn't sold frequently before the rerelease and I don't think it's going to be sold a lot after. Especially since all the accessories AP is releasing go perfectly with it after the fact (wristcuffs/jewelry/headbands).
I got the sax JSK with the hanikami headband and that only reason I'd sell is if it's surprise polyester.

>>10433640

Yeah that is basically what I was saying. People will want to keep theirs so the only option is scalpers or possibly extra stock bloodbaths.

>>10433642
>extra stock bloodbaths
You might actually get lucky here. It just occurred to me that the pandemic will probably cause various situations where people won't/can't collect their MTO.

>>10433640
Haha, it's not like Toy Doll Box is a dream dress of mine or anything. It's a cute print that would be nice to have, is all. And with the pandemic like >>10433643 said, extra stock might be available, or sellers needing money more likely to sell their MTOs they might have forgot about ordering. So, I think it's more possible to get, than it is this dumb ice cream jewelry anyways

>>10433643

If I don't get screwed financially by the US mishandling of COVID I am prepared to fight in a bloodbath for pink or mint.

>>10433651
Yeah, I’ve found a couple dresses I’ve been looking for forever on fril for a good price with the sellers saying the listed them because they need money in the pandemic. I feel kind of bad for them but it’s great for me

>>10433604
>if there were item purchase limits per credit card or account for each colorway on release day or whatever measures they take (baby cancels orders that violate release or reservation rules for example) then scalpers would simply be unable to buy as much stock to scalp in bulk

yeah, but same thing works for shopping services. regular release items might become as limited as one-per-ticket event specials are.

why won't AP add an international shipping option on their jp site like Baby do? that would so much easier, although scalpers may be dropping the server every other release.

>>10433681
>>10433678

I think a combo of limits that were mentioned before plus just having international shipping on the Japan site the same way BABY and Meta do is the real solution.

>>10433628
what taobao stores do you like for AP type sweet jewelry and socks and stuff? i love AP's resin jewelry but i'm in the same boat as you where it's just not worth it anymore

>>10433683

If they had international shipping on the JP site people wouldn't be as frustrated with the way they neglect the AP USA site and SS wouldn't be needed for online releases.

>>10433208
Tattoos are unsightly and shouldn't be visible on any lolita, if you want to look your best cover it up with long sleeves. And remove piercings too, this is a modest fashion.

>>10433688
Who cares

>>10433688

Modesty is subjective and varied in its definition. If modesty means not flashy (since tattoos and piercings are ornamental), then excess frills and colors and lace are immodest.

Plus tattoos and piercings are common in alt circles in general and blend in just fine with gothic. Tattoos are just a part of your skin and many sweets with tattoos tend to have cutesy tattoos that are aesthetically also sweet anyway.

I never understand the random tattoo hate. Make a new thread discussing it and people will gladly chat about it there I'm guessing.

>>10433616
You misunderstand AP's intentions. It's exclusivity and brand reputation. If you rarely sell out, you lose hype. And customers are less likely to spend on your next release that may be less popular if they got your previous release. The limited supply is what creates the exclusivity that makes their brand more valuable. It's about keeping their value high in the first place.

>>10433693
But when more and more people don't even want to bother attempting to get new releases, AP is losing out on customers, and exclusivity doesn't matter much when less and less of your previously loyal fanbase becomes ambivalent or disillusioned.

>>10433693
>>10433693

That's about as retarded to me as designer brands that burn stock rather than put it on sale.

AP is hyped enough that people will like them and buy from them if their stuff is good regardless of things selling out.

Maybe if they didn't make unpopular sad poly stuff lately they could sell out larger quantities more easily. Even then though they mostly sell out. They could easily sell 25% to100% more stock on basics like wristcuffs, jewelry, socks, etc. and still sell out since the lower price point compared to main pieces or OTT headwear like animal ear KCs attracts more customers. And for main pieces if they just kept within their unique style and aesthetic more with 2010 sweet or early 2000s sweet plus international shipping from Japan site they'd make a ton more money.

AP could easily strategically plan things via surveys and other stuff from longtime or regular customers to help determine release popularity in advance based on motifs and colorways and adjust production accordingly. Businesses and systems in Japan do tend to work off of legacy practices even when they are inconvenient and inefficient sometimes though. Not always a bad thing but overall it's a weird cultural thing with Japan being so advanced but willingly choose to stay behind on the times with certain practices and AP's choices around the matter may be a symptom of that.

>>10433696
no they're not. japanese and chinese lolitas have enough brand loyalty to keep AP going. and many scalpers are westerners in japan. you seem like you're overblowing the issue since it directly affects you.

>>10433700

Even if they have the brand loyalty to not lose current customers, they would just very easily make more profit if they let foreigners buy from JP store and released a larger quantity.

>>10433702
They let foreigners buy through Tenso though. Honestly its an easy system to use and gives us control over things like shipping method, marking down packages, timing. I don't think they need to change it.

>>10433685
>SS wouldn't be needed for online releases

That's the point, one-item-per-customer limitation won't hurt people who used to buy through SS. Plus you won't need to pay SS charges anymore. Another thing is that bottleneck of domestic shipping makes it easier to order because some scalpers are limited too. An introduction of international shipping may cause this situation when you just look at empty page for ten minutes, then page gets loaded and everything is sold out.

>>10433710

I guess using Tenso is fine but the other huge problem is the need for more stock. Literally just phasing in more stock upon certain releases would disable scalpers in a big way by being less "exclusive".

I rarely buy AP new and rarely buy acessories despite loving them and buying for years before because of the way things have gotten on top of them not catering to the style that pretty much defined and popularized them.

>>10433702
My problem with your argument is you are seeing it as AP is stopping YOU from getting items because you can't just hop on their site and get leftover stock. So you think if AP makes high quantity releases you and others who can't do the bloodbaths or hire a SS can easily acquire items. Not only is that not the case, but that won't stop the scalping. Scalpers try to scalp everything, not just coveted pieces or new releases, and if the dresses are as scarce as you think, making a larger quantity is still not going to make them easily accessible unless they make a ton of extra, which isn't a good business strategy.

Has anybody in the US bought from the Japanese BtSSB site during COVID? I hear they are shipping via the SF store. How long does that process take? Do they ask you first?

>>10433728
Yeah because it’s such a good business strategy to make so little of your popular releases that people cry over not being able to get them before they even release. No one is saying they should multiply their release stock by 10, just that they should make more than they do now.

>>10433728

I personally haven't even tried to get anything besides the lyrical wristcuffs and bunny ear KC recently, and I was perfectly willing to deal with the bloodbath (though I got wristcuffs from Paris because AP USA is stressful to deal with). I'm not going to die if I can't get AP and I have been lucky but I see how much OTHER people are hurt or upset by not getting things and feel bad for the community.

As superficial as lolita may seem in general, I actually give a shit about and am inspired to act or want change by things that harm or affect people besides myself.

And making more will slowly begin to help because it will make it easier to buy on release. Yes scalpers will scalp but as many others have said it will give the chance for non scalpers to buy direct or again increase the chance it gets listed non scalped secondhand when more people whose goal wasn't ever to scalp may eventually resell.

People have outlined already that they don't need constantly available dead stock to fix this. They just need to produce enough more with enough targeted restrictions on release days that a little more people are able to get something and weed out the scalper market.

That plus rereleases of the most popularly scalped things like jewelry would help a ton.

>>10433710
Tenso on the AP Japan does not work for a lot of people though. They don't allow you to change the country on the credit card information. It stays stuck on Japan. Even if you enter your Tenso address correctly, the purchase doesn't go through.

This was discussed in another thread maybe a month or two ago. I know at least me and one other anon couldn't purchase using a Tenso address because of this issue, and we even emailed Tenso and they said there was nothing they could do because AP Japan only accepts Japanese credit cards.

It's pretty stupid, because AP Japan says to use Tenso, and then it's completely useless. I even emailed AP Japan about it and they never responded.

>>10433730
Bought some stuff on Sunday and have so far only received a confirmation email.

They do state on the website that shipment to some countries are delayed, but you aren’t given a choice of whether or not you want your package to go to the SF branch first.

From other people I’ve spoken with, their packages are being shipped directly to BTSSB San Fran, then to your home.

Take this with a grain of salt, but someone told me that they spoke with a shop girl, and the next round of Baby JP orders are being sent to San Fran in August.

Innocent World hasn't been impressing me much lately, but I really want to support them through covid.
Anyone has suggestions on a good SS that will ship overseas during the pandemic right now?

>>10433758
This is so strange because I definitely do not have a Japanese credit card have have no issues. I even changed my credit card and it still works. I wasn't aware it was an issue for some people.

I know its not the best solution but try using a card from another provider. Maybe the particular one you use is extra picky about identity verification, which isn't usually a bad thing.

>>10433763

I asked about it in my order details on the giant usakumya and was told it would arrive in mid July to SF and be shipped to me then. Then for the masks they did it automatically and combined my 2 mask orders for me as well I was told it would arrive to SF in late July and likely get to me early August. In both cases they said that they I could opt out by emailing them not to share my address with SF branch before a certain date but I didn't opt out so I should be seeing tracking updates or some sort of information in the next two weeks on my rucksack order.

>>10433746
dude please, your moralfagging is ridiculous. we're all anon.

>>10433766
How recently did you make an order? Also, just to confirm, did you use your card number, but the Tenso address as both the billing and shipping? I'm just curious. I have one other card I can try to use.

The anon from the other thread that I talked with said they even called their bank, and the bank never even saw the purchase go through, so it seemed like it was on AP Japan's end. Similarly, I never got a fraud alert or anything. It's like some third party authentication service is blocking some cards without necessarily checking the bank.

>>10433770

It's not about morals beyond that I feel bad for others and wish AP would solve the issue; for AP it is a business problem to some extent.

I don't have all the answers but many people here share the sentiment that AP releasing more stock would immediately solve a good chunk of the problem.

>>10433772

A some online sales in Japan require the use of certain cards with a particular security on them. I forgot what it's called but you can't buy Japanese Disneyland tickets online without a credit card specifically because it's a security feature debit cards usually don't or can't have and not all cards carry the level of security.

Maybe it's that?

>>10433772
Last order was maybe two weeks ago.
Both addresses are my Tenso account. I order from them fairly frequently and never have any issues. I have friends that order directly from them too. I save my card info to the site and whenever I order it just requires the three digits from the back of the card.

Interestingly enough, I tried making an order through Leur Getter this week and, while everything worked fine and I saw the charge in my account, the cancelled it manually, emailed me, and said I had to do a bank transfer with Tenso. I'm wondering if anyone ever did this successfully from overseas? I prefer to order myself instead of through an SS as I like as much control as possible. I asked about this in the stupid questions thread and nobody answered.

>>10433776
This might be my problem? I was using a debit card that's indistinguishable from a credit card in the USA. In fact I never use it as a debit card... but I wouldn't doubt that Japan sees it differently. I'm not sure if the other anon was using debit or credit.

Either way it sucked because I was trying to do a bloodbath release and didn't even have a chance in the first place because of my card. But after reading this, I'm going to try a real credit card next time. I'll feel really stupid if it winds up working.

>>10433777
Dang, okay. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Like you said, I like to take control of my purchases as much as possible, so being able to purchase directly would be great. Most of the time I have to use a SS though.

>>10433790
I'm >>10433777 and I use a credit card. I'm from Canada and up until recently our debit cards were very different from our credit cards and could not be used for online purchases. Just this year I got one that could supposedly be used online in place of a credit card but I never tried because I've always just used my credit card.

>>10433730
I bought something from the JP store about a month back, got an email maybe two weeks ago saying they were going to ship my item to the SF store but that I wouldn't be charged anything extra for it. But no, they didn't really give me a choice. I haven't heard anything else from them though, and I don't really expect to hear from them soon.

>>10433758
Tenso is wrong. It's not like you can't use another forwarding service though. Just because AP advertises it doesn't mean you have to use it.

>>10433765
Mint Kismet has a good relationship with IW and is shipping from Japan right now. She gets access to special sales and events I believe? I dunno, she has some sort of exclusive gold member card or something she was showing on her Facebook page. I’ve used her before and she’s fine

>>10433805
The problem is with entering my card, not Tenso's address. It wouldn't make a difference if I used a different Japanese address, and I'm strictly trying to buy from AP Japan's site for bloodbath releases, so I need to be able to enter my card. For me, purchasing from AP Japan's site hasn't worked in the past and not being able to use PayPal sucks.

>>10433813
>>10433813
Sorry for spamming, but to elaborate, I didn't realize before that it was potentially my card that was the problem and not the billing address (Tenso's address). But using another forwarding service wouldn't solve the issue. I'm just going to try the next release with a different card.

>>10433815
Maybe add another card and order something small like socks to see if it works.

Its advantageous to have your card info already loaded in for bloodbaths anyway.

>>10433604
Scalpers come in groups

The attitude of “there will always be scalpers so AP should just do absolutely nothing” baffles me. If there’s more stock and more people can get what they want direct from the company, scalpers will lose business.

>>10433835

Yes but the size of their group is limited and if there is enough stock as we have been saying over and over, people lose the motivation or desire to buy from scalpers because they can just get the items themselves.

>>10433842

Agreed. People always say don't create business for scalpers by buying from them. So anons itt are speculating on or suggesting ideas to have more product or certain rules that could allow regular customers to buy from AP, thereby ruining or deleting a good chunk of the scalpers' business or clientele, and then suddenly people are acting like the fact that a scalper could even get their hands on the item means it's a bad idea despite it allowing more lolitas and AP fans to get the items direct from the brand and avoid buying scalped stuff which is the goal to drive scalpers out.

>>10433763
>>10433768
>>10433801
Darn, that's quite a delay. I might be moving soon, so I'm afraid to place an order. If it was a purchase from the SF store directly, I trust I could contact them to update the address. But with it being from the Japanese site I'm nervous. I was hoping to get the Tartan Check release since I didn't get it in the SF lottery.

>>10433870

If you really want it go for it. If you are in the US depending on your job field you will likely not be going to any big meets anytime soon anyway. I literally wear my lolita around the house though so I don't mind waiting since I'll always get use of things even if they take forever.

were there any new print announcements at the AP paris tea party? or did they just show off the fugly map print?

>>10433890
Hey leave Fantastic World Map alone

>>10433891
I’m glad someone likes it at least ??

>>10433891

I think it would look good only in brown, grey, and a rust or red brown and other tan type shades desu as a sweet classic sort of thing; but if it's more shiny low quality poly then the print isn't good enough to redeem the material for me the way ice cream parlor was.

>>10433888
I don't mind it not arriving for a while, I'm just worried if I move it will be a hassle making sure the package gets redirected.

>>10433730
>>10433916
My timeline:
>Orderded May 11th
>Email May 22nd telling me they'd be redirecting to SF and ETA is late June
>Tracking number June 23rd
>Delivered June 25th

>>10433925

I ordered my Kumya rucksack May 29 so hopefully I'll get a tracking number at some point...

>>10433935
It's possible you missed the cutoff and it's coming with the next shipment in August, unfortunately, unless they gave you an ETA.

>>10433916
well, it's a moot point now. i didn't hear my alarm, and the colorway i wanted sold out.

>>10433941

They claimed delivery to the San Fran store in early or mid July, then to me in late july.

>>10433842
>>10433849

It isn't so much "there's always scalpers so AP should do nothing", it's that some of the "AP should" solutions proposed don't really work.

- MTOs -- hang around long enough, someone's gonna ask when the next MTO is due, is AP late, why is it so slow, etc etc. It has its own issues with AP customers not wanting to wait around for 6 months, hence they do MTOs rarely and only if they're pretty certain at least a number of girls will preorder (because even though it's an MTO they still have to meet minimum order, so they're stuck with like a thousand dresses or whatever if they open the MTO and only one single lolita did the preorder)

- Make more stock -- this would be AP just a couple of years back. Which was an extra good year for the frugalitas because so many things went on sale. But you gotta imagine the massive losses AP had to be suffering if they put every colourway of Twinkle Sky on sale because it sat around for so long. So, "make more stock and people will buy them" has already been proven false.


You should also note that this was the year Princess Cat came out, it was cotton, it featured cats, wasn't ugly, and still didn't sell out. So even with cotton dresses, no, they aren't selling out. Whatever they're doing with the polyester dresses seems to be working much better for their business than cgl lolita want to believe.

So far the only thing that seems to slow scalpers down is to limit the number of pieces an account can purchase, which AP already implements for releases that they think will be popular.

AP is trying, they even made a rule that you had to wear AP to buy AP (all that happened was the scalpers bought salopettes from closet child and wore them over their jeans to shop at La Foret, so that's a fail too). It's just the other things mentioned are directly harmful to AP's bottom line, so of course they won't do it. Scalpers just aren't an easy problem to solve.

>>10433967
>Whatever they're doing with the polyester dresses seems to be working much better for their business than cgl lolita want to believe.
china.

>>10433968

I mean. They're a business, so if it keeps them in business while the cotton dresses don't even sell out and have to be put on sale, can you really blame them for never doing cotton again?

>>10433972
no, i'm not disagreeing with you. i think a lot of anons tend to really misjudge how big of a market lolita is in china.

Has anyone experienced delays with ordering directly from the Baby San Fran store? I placed an order a week ago and I’ve only gotten the confirmation email. I’m wondering if they’re waiting for stock to come in from Japan.

>>10433968
>>10433972
Wait, wait, wait. You're telling me the Chinese actually PREFER polyester enough to not buy cotton? I thought they were just dumb enough to buy anything, not that they actually preferred polyester.

>>10433967
How did you write an entire blog post and yet say absolutely nothing

>>10433979
yes.

>>10433979

Not really. All we can see is that poly stuff seems to sell out while the last few cotton releases have all sat around and then gone on sale. We don't have the sales numbers to confirm it's the chinese, it could be the Japanese lolitas really like poly. Remember that Moitie, LG, ETC were all very much poly way before AP was, so who really knows.

All we know is the poly stuff sells out. And it's worn by everybody, even CoF has a shitton of poly AP wearers. So we don't really know if it's the chinese lolitas or Japanese or even western lolitas or maybe all of them except cgl prefer poly

>>10433967
what is baffling to me is that those guys fucking wore that shit over jeans and a tshirt. Like they didn't have to let those ass hats in. They know what lolita coords are supposed to look like at AP and they know you don't wear fucking jeans and a shirt under a dress or salopette.

>>10433891
>Fantastic World Map
is it really going to be called that??

>>10433986

It's a Japanese business, and I think that was the first week it was implemented. I think the staff didn't really know where to draw the line, so the literal interpretation was taken.

Later on there were two girls who were not allowed to buy AP because their socks weren't AP. So I guess they tweaked it to your definition later, it just didn't make as much waves as scalpers in salos buying AP.

>>10433979
>I thought they were just dumb enough to buy anything
do you really think you don't sound racist when you say shit like this

>>10433990
Racist, really? NTA but the Chinese market for lolita is more interested in SES flexes, so it seems like they’re willing to buy just about anything. Polyester works in favor for the lazy way they coordinate too since they’re low maintenance

>>10433999
calling an entire ethnicity of people "dumb" is racist, yes

>>10434005
You're not wrong but this is 4chan, what did you expect??

>>10433999

honestly why even deny it it's pretty fucking vogue to be racist to chinese these days and you're anon so it's ok, just accept that you're a racist.

>>10433979
>You're telling me the Chinese actually PREFER polyester enough to not buy cotton?
I think AP started releasing more poly around the time the Chinese market started to take off, and AP took it as a sign that poly sells better. So it's an unfortunate side effect that they think cotton prints are less desired plus the fact that Japanese lolitas prefer it for closet space.

>>10433978
same, i ordered 2 cutsews july 1. i figure maybe someone got sick and called out so they are swamped? but idk shit.

>>10433989
>Later on there were two girls who were not allowed to buy AP because their socks weren't AP
That was always a thing though?

>>10433967
>It has its own issues with AP customers not wanting to wait around for 6 months
This is news to me? Most people I know are happy to wait if it guarantees they get a dress they really want. It's so much less stress. And the fashion itself is more catered towards people who are in it for the long haul, so 6 month is like a blink of an eye.

Also concerning the cotton dresses - When AP was releasing a fair amount of cotton dresses, some would just sit there because it wasn't as big of a deal. Now (sweet) cotton dresses sell like crazy precisely because AP no longer makes them. So they kind of created their own scarcity. That, and the sweet revival is real, and I've said this in another thread, but even Magic Princess didn't sell out in 2016 and it's a glitter print. I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that if the same dress was released today (without a previous release), it would sell out in a bloodbath?

>>10434005
“The Chinese market is dumb” feel better? Go cry to tumblr

>>10434012
Yeah, maybe they only have a few people? But I don’t know how that store’s numbers are so I don’t know if they have too much to handle.

>>10434018
It seems like the resell value on Magic Princess actually went up too. What I’m curious about is if they already have factories that have the screens for their prints, wouldn’t it be more cost efficient to re-release old prints? Than constantly pump out new ones? Though I understand most prints are DTG printing and there’s barely any screens involved.

>>10433999
>SES flexes
SES?

>>10433967
That's not true. You're just cherry picking. Plenty of overlay poly dresses that same year sat unsold like milky swan and aquarium carnival. While dresses like dessert berry which is cotton were bloodbaths and when you look at the secondhand market, sell for retail.

So no, Chinese tastes aren't about poly v cotton. We know they like old OTT AP already as a lot of them ended up in the Chinese secondhand market. The reason why princess cat didn't sell out wasn't because of cotton, but because Chinese taste is more pastels. Chinese AP fans prefer pastels than jewel tones.

>>10434019
no, you're still a racist. congrats

>>10434018

Just wait long enough. Someone will start asking about the next AP MTO. In fact, if you go back a handful of generals you'll probably find the last girl asking. Sometimes it's someone who ordered a shop exclusive MTO and wants to make sure their SS didn't forget their order, other times it's just someone impatient. And sometimes it's someone who is somehow determined that AP is late on their MTOs. I don't know why this happens, I've just been here long enough to see the comments pop up repeatedly and one time there's even girls complaining they've waited so long for their dresses they don't feel hyped for them anymore (Honeycake, I think?)

As for Magic Princess. You want to check their entire year's releases. More than half was already poly. It was already a year where cgl was already complaining about "yet another poly" dress, why do you think people are so tired of this meme? It's been going on for a good while now.

>>10434022

Most of the major Japanese brands are still using old-fashioned printing on rolls of fabric. If you find photos of the AP museum in La Foret, in some of the background you can see fabric lying around, not to mention that one tartan dress that was apparently frankensteined from spare fabric of several tartan releases.

The minimum order quantity for using better quality print fabric is what makes it difficult to do an MTO, if they don't hit minimum order then they make a loss on the rest of the dresses that they have no buyers for. Not all of their old stuff is popular, some of it has cult popularity where only a handful of girls will make an order, not the few hundreds that AP needs.

>>10434042

Anon. You're not replying to "cotton is unpopular, poly sold better". You're replying to "AP should make more stock to stop scalping".

You're actually making my point for me. They raised production so much so many things went on sale, including decent prints like milky swan, which is pastel and should have been a hit with pastel-loving chinese, you say?

The part about cotton is that even cotton dresses did badly, so it wasn't a matter of AP pumping out polyester dresses nobody wants. They raised production too much and it caused losses for AP, that's why it's not a good tactic for stopping scalpers.

>>10434057
milky swan is pastel in the sense it is literally pastel but it's not like OTT sweet pastel ala milky planet, which is what they're talking about. they raised production on dresses the market wasn't interested in.

>>10433967
>they do MTOs rarely and only if they're pretty certain at least a number of girls will preorder
Why wouldn’t poll the audience or make some sort of pre-order Kickstarter kind of way?
Onto making people wait, I don’t think it’s much of an issue. I see people complaining that they had to wait for like a year to get their things, but look at the second hand dress hunting. It may take years to get the thing with no guarantees and condition may be questionable.

Just curious when was the last AP cotton release? Not including rereleases, since I know cinema doll and ctp were both cotton.

>>10433805
>>10433758
Does anybody have an alternative to tenso? I’ve seen people ask multiple times and never answered, I think they’re like the only service doing forwarding.

>>10433208
>buy items from WW from tabs I already had open
>ok great
>click back to main page
>Coupon code for 10% off!
>FUCK

Could have saved 3k yen, am a bit annoyed at myself for not checking first.

>>10434069

Tell me you can't picture some anons being on here trying to get everyone to fill up the poll with fake votes. I can even picture some troll trying to get the ugliest dress to win, which is what happened with Bodyline contest.

Anyhow they listen to petitions, which was why someone above was trying to start one. You should just get going with that if you really want AP to re-make something.

>>10434115
I suggested it to be like Kickstarter for this exact reason. Get people make a smaller pre-payment alongside with vote. That might reduce trolls and those who’s indecisive or could flip down when MTO is out.

Actually, I’m sorry people shoo away the author of MRC petition. I wish it was a thing.

>>10434107
it was the bunny college summer JSK, right before horoscope carnival iirc.
last prints were dessert berry and, slightly more notably, sweet lacy basket, in 2018.
last noticeably popular print was ribbon berry bunny in 2017.

>>10434120
In addition, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Kickstarter have this votes threshold, like you need enough subscribers to make it happen. They could literally try and match the number of votes to the product batch. If there’s a lack of votes, people get their refund and go shopping second hand knowing there’s objectively a little of demand to make it happen.

>>10433614
I don't buy the Lolita jewelry, but I am not against it. I just think that the cost of the novelty jewelry takes too much of my budget from the clothes. I usually recommend real bling instead, which always looks good with everything.

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>>10434122
Heart Cafe set is cotton and that’s recent. I don’t know if it’s a rerelease though.

>>10434137
It’s a rerelease, but only from January of this year.

i want to wear a sweet loli dress and a cute bow, and be fucked by a dog

i keep thinking about that absolutely garbage, smooth brain take on lolita fashion being appropriated on twitter out of my head. it now lives rent free in my mind, consider me triggered. what the fuck is with the amount of rt's and likes by fake woke ppl just eating this shit up. op doesn't even wear any form of jfashion

>>10434147
not this post saying that only asian woman can appreciate something that is cute

>>10434147
Oh god damn it. The wokesters are coming for our lolita now, despite it being largely inspired by western fashions.

??????

>>10434147
*and can't get ... out of my head

i guess when you read something like this it really does fry you a little

>>10434148
Anon how dare you make me read this. My heart rate is going up rn
I almost want to make an anonymous Twitter claiming to be a poc so I can say a bunch of ridiculous shit and see how many ppl will just nod their head and agree just to earn wokepoints
This shit is getting absurd

>>10434150
How are these people so far removed from reality?
Not everything is a white supremacist ploy, Jesus christ.

>>10434150
First sentence gave me a stroke

>>10434154
i think what gets me the most are the asian lolitas in the thread like "actually op this is not the move, you're incorrect about this" and then radio silence

>>10434157
I dont know the op's race, but based off experience, I feel like ppl will listen and agree with a white person and their oppression focused thesis far before they'd ever listen to any POC who has experience with the subject at hand..its painfully ironic

>>10434147
Whos this bitch I’ll fite

>>10434161
op is asian but still misinformed

>>10434147
You gotta love how they don't ever bring up transwomen using lolita as a fetish and joining comms only to cross womens' boundaries and fetishize them, even though it happens frequently and the consequences are far more detrimental than anything else. Instead they focus on the miniscule amount of white women who may sexualize it.

>>10434162
at this point the thread itself is full of ppl very strongly opposing it and they're not responding to anyone anymore so i'm pretty sure op muted it and is just ignoring it

>>10434147
>>10434148
>>10434150
I wonder how she feels about a lot of lolitas not considering east Asians to be poc or oppressed lol

>>10434148
>as someone who age regresses
My god, the ageplayers are accusing US of appropriating THEM now?

>>10434183
Regression and ageplay are not the same thing. Regression is used a psychological tool pretty often.

>>10434184
Ahh okay, I am dumb and did not know that.

>>10434165
I found it and thought about calling her a stupid cunt but I’m pretty sure that can get you banned from twitter. She is, though.

>>10434185
It is definitely a completely valid tool with ongoing therapy, however a lot of minors and people into ageplay who want to be special claim to be regressors. If they're openly claiming it they're usually one of those, and are not doing it with a therapist or similar counselor's guidance. I doubt this person is an exception.

>>10434186
Ppl call Jafar Star a stupid cunt and all’s they get is a block

>>10434163
As an Asian woman we don’t want her

seifuku? menhera is a subsection of lolita?? wtf is she on about
how could she know lolita has roots in feminism without knowing what it actually vaguely looks like

>>10434131
>Bling

Wtf substyle do you wear because real jewelry looks dumb as shit with OTT sweet. It only works for sweet-classic, OTT classic, and gothic

>>10434193
When this person says "don't take it to excessive extremes" what does that mean? Only wear the clothes you paid for to tea parties? The minute you want to wear your shit to buy groceries or go to the movies or go shopping, you're "overdoing it?" What? It's just an alternative fashion, not some sort of sacred garment

>>10434147
Great, street harassment from normies isn't enough, now we'll be getting it from the twitter brigade too.

>>10434193
Lolita hasn't been a "counterculture against the government" in decades. Sounds like she read a wikipedia page and called it a day

>>10434195
right? all lolitas do is... wear lolita. there is not a widespread scourge of white lolitas acting japanese.
this person isn't even japanese, why is a vietnamese male trying to police what any women wear? why do they think they have any right to do that, just because they're asian? asian people aren't a monolith. i am absolutely baffled. they're just clothes, they're counterculture but they're not a statement against the government lmao.

>>10434193
Can Misako just get over there and smack a bitch, jfc

>>10434197
I put on a $200 AP dress today and cheap plastic jewelry to take some selfies so I guess you could say I'm kind of an antigovernment badass

>>10434198
>male
Ugh, of course.

>>10434201
they claim to be anyway

>>10434201
Which makes the "you can imagine my frustration when I search lolita and 90% of them are white" statement even funnier. Like, sorry the white bitches are impeding your cooming.

>>10434193
It is just a fashion, jesus fucking christ

>>10434203
they don't even bother to do a search in japanese using ロリータ if they're that pressed about it. Also, funny how they completely ignore that it's not only white and asian people who like these clothes

>>10434193
This genuinely upsets me
Lolita makes me really happy but now I have to worry about being accused of appropriation if I don't walk the fine line of whats considered respectful to these assholes
I knew it was only a matter of time. Nothing is sacred anymore, I miss 2010, it was a simpler time. Sigh.

>>10434206
I think you’re missing the point. Like I guess being accused of appropriation is bad? I’m not white I don’t know. But the main problem here is the person saying we all sexualize the fashion which is way worse

>>10434161
Christ, you're right about that...

>>10434147
omg he is wrong even about what lolita tried to combat.
it wasnt sexualusation of young girls, it was patriarchal culture and lack of individualism

>>10434209
They're trying to frame it as if it's something that solely belongs to Japan even though its heavily inspired by western fashion. The sexualization thing I can deal with since most normies assume it's a fetish anyway and I could really give two shits what they think, but im not trying to incite a mob screaming "racist!" at me because I wear clothes I like.
I'm not missing the point. If you don't think race is playing a huge part of the issue for them then idk what to tell ya bc it seems p obvious to me

>>10434213
Wow. Poor you, it’s so hard to be white. Shut the fuck up.

>>10434215
Go back to Twitter wokester

>>10434215
how did you manage to read all that only to respond "fuck you whitey" this poster is just re-explaining why this post has people heated

>>10434216
You’re the one afraid of a racist mob? Grow up.

>>10434205
I thought that too, how incredibly anglocentric. No shit you're going to get fewer results for Japanese lolitas when you're searching in English.

And I would honestly love to hear these people's thoughts on black lolitas, they seem to very studiously ignore their existence. I guess acknowledging it might require nuance.

>>10434220
Yep I think that mob mentality is harmful even if its initially for a seemingly just cause. Guess I'm just a dumb whitey.

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>>10434229
TOMATO POTATO DESTROY CAPITALISM

>>10434229
Alright it's potato tomato-chan, now this thread is a party

>>10434231
>>10434232
YOU REMEMBER ME YOU ARE GOOD YOU ARE ANGEL SWEET ANGEL YOU ARE FLOWER MY FRIENDS MY FRIENDS ARE ANGEL FLOWER SWEET SWEET ANGEL FRIENDS

>>10434215
It is when lazy POC like you blame all your problems on whitey instead of taking personal responsibility. If anything, people pander more to you to not hurt your precious feefees

>>10434193
This is incredible.

>white woman who wore lolita like, every day

When is it okay to wear then? To tea parties or conventions? Lmfao. Also the implication that women in the west aren't also looked down upon and infantilized for being into childish things or wearing flashy clothing. Japan invented misogyny I guess.

>>10434257
>When is it okay to wear then? To tea parties or conventions?
Yeah, I don't get this logic if that is indeed what they are implying. Like, isn't only wearing it to special events fetishising it even more? If anything, wearing it in normie settings is more in keeping with the spirit of lolita in Japan.

>>10434161
Yup I'm asian and this happens to me all the time.

>>10434206
People have screamed appropriation before this about lolita and it usually just results in everyone rolling their eyes after the anger dies down.

>>10434249
I'm Asian but I'm not sure what "personal responsibility" you want me to take?
I'm Filipina so no one is really pandering to me. People still call us the "Mexicans of Asians" and shit like that.

To the anon a few threads ago (>>10429791) that mentioned a "MyAnimeList-style lolita website", I'd like to help build something like that. I think it'd be a real challenge to include a wardrobe cataloguing function, but I'll help if there are ideas on how to go about building it. I'm sure even just a forum would garner traffic out of nostalgia and having a central place for resources like industry news would be fantastic as well. Is anyone else interested in a concept like this?

>>10434290
i'm interested. i thought that maybe a system that was either connected to lolibrary somehow (could be difficult to implement) or allowed users to upload their own images, item information, etc, would be very helpful.

>>10434290
If you go overly ambitious, you'll never finish anything. Just start with a functioning forum and work from there.

>>10434271
Then you should know that there are groups of POC who hate you too. My boyfriend is filipino and the amount of times he got called slanty eye/Chinese? (all Asian=Chinese here) or Mexican by them is too damn high. Pandering to them allows them to continue being racist to everyone. Acting like they can do no wrong enables this behavior. Calling out a racist's racism is racist now

I have never once heard that lolita fashion was created is in response to pedophilia and sex trafficking of children in Japan. Where did they find this info??? If this is true I guess I'm uneducated, but this just reads like a heavy exaggeration of the aspect of "I wear what I want and don't exist to please anyone"

>>10434320
It's fucking bizarre. Child sex trafficking??? What the fuck???

>>10434320
OP was just talking through their ass after reading the first 2 sentences of the wiki article. Trying to be a woke mansplainer and shove his uneducated “hot take” down peoples throats.

I think that OP got lolita fashion confused with nymphet/egirl fashion

I low key wish they'd scalp more so it stays in stock for a while

>>10434373
I'm not after these pieces, but same.

I have the money, and with how fast older AP goes, I kind of rely on people overpricing their stuff to scare others off. Like bump it up 5,000 yen... 10,000 yen. I'll pay if it's the right item.

>>10434193
Lmao!
> Vietnamese poster
>Reduces a Japanese street fashion (pop culture) to a costume
>Japanese poster mentions the open sharing and communication between eastern and western lolita communities
>No response, just keeps going
Didn't something similar happen to a UK museum with a kimono exhibit? Western-born Asians got mad, Japanese people loved it and showed up in THEIR kimonos.

>>10434416
when i hear about culture appropriation i recall a japanese husband of my far relative (im White) that gift a gorgeous kimono to my family

>>10434416
it was a museum in Boston but yea.

>>10434201
>>10434202
From the way they type, I would be very surprised if they were actually a biological male. Sounds like a fakeboi to be honest.

It’s one thing to have a disgusting sugar daddy for a husband/bf — kind of hard to maintain an extremely expensive hobby based on non-work-appropriate clothes without one — but why do people have to post photos of themselves with them?

>>10434427
She's looks about the same age as him, she's just wearing a full wig and full face of makeup. She's a very run of the mill Karen, if lolita ever had one and he's pretty run of the mill too. Let her be happy with her mans.

>>10434427
>kind of hard to maintain an extremely expensive hobby based on non-work-appropriate clothes without one
Bruh, what?

>>10434431
anon is lonely and poor. She's just lashing out

>>10434417

Japanese people love foreigners doing Japanese things (idk how other Asian or non Asian groups feel) but Japanese people typically see it as appreciation of culture when done well and it kinda makes them in some way feel like they're winning the "soft power" war when others like Japanese things so much. Not in any sinister way but just pride in the spread of Japanese things,

>>10434147
Three people criticized her and she put her account on private

>>10434436
most cultures love foreigners interacting with their culture. It's only usually 2nd generation immigrants that have an issue because they are more detached from their culture that it becomes exotic and sacred/special to them. There are a ton of asian americans that i have known who aren't culturally asian but will take pride in the culture of their ethnicity despite not participating in it. and they are the ones getting offended when others participate in it when their culturally active counterparts aren't. It's pretty gross and weird.

>>10434390
>>10434373
Me too man. Countless times I check the apps in the morning to find something I want listed and sold while I was asleep. Only time I can get stuff is when its overpriced. I don't really mind because at least I can buy it.

>>10434463
The worst part is when some clueless seller lists a good condition, popular AP JSK for $40. I'm over here screaming at them like, "you could have made so much more money"

>>10434452
Spoken like a true white girl

I know this is old and idk if this has been already talked about, but what does /cgl/ think of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5386163/Woman-28-dressed-like-DOLL-gets-amazing-makeover.html

>>10434452

People living in their native countries have very different experiences from people in the diaspora and it’s really not fair to equate them. Japanese people in japan aren’t affected by anti-asian racism or cultural appropriation in the west so their opinion shouldn’t carry weight over the 2nd generations or immigrants who speak out. For the same reason as when you visit the Caribbean plenty of locals will be happy to give you dreadlocks or braids but the diaspora in america or europe will probably have a less favourable opinion; different people have different experiences and perspectives. It’s not necessarily the case that they’re detached from their culture, but rather they have to live with the day to day experience of being a minority culture which is either derided or fetishized by the majority and it shapes their reaction.

Tldr different people will have different feelings and one person’s isn’t more valid than another’s. It’s a question of finding balance and being respectful to various viewpoints.

>>10434463
I feel like all the apps are moving more slowly lately and anything new that comes up is snatched immediately. Even the garbage

>>10434478
i am chinese.

>>10434478
What are you talking about? As if white people had that level of nuance about the different experiences of poc and immigrants — they just lump them all into the same pity party.

>>10434491
That doesn't mean that vietnamese americans can speak for japanese people. Being personally offended and upset about things doesn't mean you get to dictate others.

>>10434499
No I agree the twitter guy is waay off base. He doesn’t even know anything about the culture he’s trying to defend. I really wonder what set him off about this

>>10434506
Like someone else upthread joked about, probably looking up lolitas to coom over and got mad he only saw white girls

>>10434506
I wonder if the white lolita he knew who wears lolita (gasp) everyday is here.

>>10434506
Apparently he knew someone in his class who wears a seifuku and cat ears everyday. And this was lolita to him.

>>10434514

Confirmed he is definitely a bio male and not a transtrender based on this comment; or just retarded.

>>10434514
Ignorance aside, is it just me or is it really mean to japanese people to tell someone wearing cat ears to stop disrespecting japanese culture like imagine your culture being reduced to such unfiltered weebery

>>10434521
List of things that are sacred parts of Japanese culture evidently:
>cat ears
>hentai
>lolicon
>xenophobia
>war crimes

>>10434491
Nice to see this response anon. You explained it really well.

>>10434491
You put this into words better than I ever could have and it rings true. I’m Japanese American, but I have a very different view of things than my relatives in Japan. White America expects us to all have the same opinion, but sharing the same race while living in an entirely different country actually leaves you with less in common than people think, apparently.

How do you tell the difference between a sissy, a brolita, and a trans woman who doesn't pass? I want to use the right pronouns but I honestly don't even know about this person. They posted a photo in my comm a few days ago and all signs point to sissy (which makes me very uncomfortable) but they could be someone who really is into the fashion.

>>10434559
The difference between a brolita and a trans woman is that the latter uses female pronouns. A sissy could be either, honestly.

>>10434112
oof, das rough

>>10434147
>>10434148
>>10434150
I feel like these are purposely written to trigger people.

>>10434559
Does the coord look good? Sissies are shit at putting an outfit together and are forever ita

>>10434491
The problem is that noone can be 'respectful' to all viewpoints, because in theory, there is an endless amount of viewpoints. And they're all valid for the individuals who have them, but not applicable in every situation. There are as many viewpoints as there are people belonging to that culture. There's right-wing/nationalist Japanese people who think sakoku is a good idea. And apparently there's people who think wearing cat ears is appropriating culture. There's also people who just don't give a fuck, diaspora or not.

We need to take into account that this is the internet, and not the United States of America. The U.S. is of course not the only nation whose Asian immigrants experience anti-Asian racism, but they're always the loudest on the internet, and desu as a European I'm tired of it.
Also, what about all the normie voices - people that don't join these discussions on the internet, maybe don't even know they're going on?

If my (white woman) experiences with Japanese culture consist of interactions within Japan (years) and with 1st generation Japanese immigrants, why would I need to bow to some completely random Asian-American who thinks it's racist if I wear lolita? Where is the border here - is it racist to wear wa lolita as a white person, but okay to wear sweet? When does 'it's just fashion' turn into 'alright mate that's carrying a bit too much cultural significance now'? Wa lolita shapes? Ofuda prints? Kitsune prints? Do I need to stop wearing a dress just because some rando with an anime profile pic tells me they're Japanese-American and it makes them uncomfortable?
And, again, why is this random person from a country I have zero intention in ever visiting the one who gets to tell me that, when my Japanese friends think it's cute and encourage me?

>>10434579
some women are forever ita, so that doesn't really help

>>10434586
Fucking thank you. You've said so eloquently exactly what I've been trying to say about this whole notion of cultural appropriation in general but especially in relation to lolita fashion.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

>>10434586
Anon. If a large portion of the people you claim to respect are telling you to stop, it's obvious what you should do. But the world isn't black and white. You might have to do some critical thinking. As a European especially so.

>>10434491
If you have no connection to that culture beyond your skin, ie not even speaking the language or wearing the clothes or celebrating the holidays or anything else, then you don't have a right to be offended by any of it imo. You're just a white person in Asian skin at that point.

>>10434608

I think this assumption or interpretation is a little incorrect. Especially since "race" is purely physical; your skin and appearance makes you your race in America anyway.

It's harmful to say they don't count as their race or ethnicity just because they were born in the west, especially since most Asians in particular retain a good bit of their cultural values and have some cultural interests for at least a few generations.

That doesn't mean you have to cater to their views on appropriation or anything, but don't dismiss their claim to their heritage because they are geographically removed from it or have other cultures they are a part of like "American" culture.

>>10434608
Yikes, what the fuck is this bullshit. Race and nationality are two different concepts for a reason, racist.

>>10434607
Completely agree that when someone reaches a massive negative echo from inside a culture they're not a part of, they should just accept they're doing something wrong. I do hope that from my first point it's obvious I've done quite a bit of critical thinking on this already.

>>10434612
t. whitewashed

>>10434193
>Japanese women live in a society...
Gee golly that must be why Sanrio and Disney are hated so much in Japan. There are no cute characters or mascots on daily goods or anything! Japan is 100% plain beige objects

>>10434611
But a lot of these people don't only want to participate in their native culture, but actively adding that American element of overinflated ego and pride. Which is what Americans do, that's why everyone assumes you are American on the internet if you don't state otherwise, others will match your perspective, Americans will somehow still connect it to USA. This way, and because they don't have the language barrier, 2nd and further generations of immigrants' opinions are what's heard the most. Even if it doesn't allign with anything their culture stands for. Imagine if some German-American started arguing that noone exept germans can eat wursts, some Polish-American said the same about pierogis, Italian-American about pizza, whatever stupid situation you can envision. Who says they don't have the right to it?

As lolita is a bastardisation of several fashion eras of Europe, it's idiotic to say that westerners can't wear it. Japan didn't even have anything similiar to these kind of clothes until they opened up the the west. If concept of people packaging their meals into somekind of container to eat on the go is somehow so wild to these people that they automatically assume it must be some exotic shit I don't know how you could argue with them.

>>10434235
i'm feeling 100% SALE right now

>>10434611
The fuck? American isn't a race. It's a nationality.

>>10434317
>Then you should know that there are groups of POC who hate you too
Yes, I'm fully aware of that.
This doesn't answer my question however. What personal responsibility am I supposed to take just because I'm asian?
And again. No one is pandering to me. I have friends but none of them are kissing my ass cause I'm PoC.

>>10434626

Race, nationality, and culture/ethnicity are all addressed here. No one is saying they are all the same. The fact that they ARE all different and perceived differently depending on where you live. Which is why the anon's comment that you are "white with Asian skin" if you don't engage with Asian culture in the same way they assume you have to/people still Asia do is silly.

No one said American was a race, literally at all.

>>10434624

Of course it is stupid to limit cultural exchange based on the vocal minority on the internet. I don't disagree with that at all. The argument for cultural appropriation is rarely approached with as much nuance as it should be (and the Viet dude on twitter is a literal retard who knows nothing about lolita or Japanese culture), people always whine that everything is appropriation or are overly sensitive about things that don't matter and water down the actual issue.

My point was that it is sort of closed minded to reject someone's claim to their heritage and claim someone is "white" because they have western or American habits and interests. The same way speaking English or German doesn't make a white person any "more" white, speaking ir not speaking their parents' language doesn't make an Asian or Latina or African person any less of their ethnicity or more.

>>10434655
Thank you. This thread is so full of white retards it’s incredible. No one besides white people would try to insist POC are white because they live in a different country than the origin of their race.

>>10434657
>No one besides white people would try to insist POC are white
uh yeah they do, it's called being whitewashed, or a banana/twinkie. these are terms created and used by asians themselves, not white people

>>10434658

POC who use that term (I have been called oreo before as a kid) usually do it in a weird way to bully other POC they perceive as "uppity" or they assume think they're above others for being educated or speaking more properly, etc. At least in black communities it happens this way. But weirdly enough many older black people in my family would say I sound or act white as a compliment while the younger people my age would say it in a derogatory way. They're both wrong for people to do. POC do it often to "other" people who are also minorities and many white people do it to make POC feel like they're"one of the good ones" in a weird complimentary way the same way some of my older family members did.

>>10434658
No they don’t. White people are the ones who tell people “you don’t sound black” and think they’re giving them a compliment. I’m Asian, not black but no one is more racist than white people, sorry.

>>10434671
yes, they do. i'm asian too so i would know. asian-american men especially tend to use those terms on each other in similar ways to what >>10434665 said. never heard a single white person use the terms banana/twinkie.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT A CUTE ELEGANT GOTHIC LOLITA GIRLFRIEND BUT WHY THEY ALWAYS GOT TO HATE BODYBUILDERS. FOR FUCKS SAKE HOW IS SOME TWIG BOY OR SKINNY FAT HIPSTER SUPPOSED TO TAKE YOU TO POUND TOWN LIKE 250LBS OF MEAT ATTACHED TO A SEVEN INCH COCK FUCK THIS GAY ASS WORLD

>>10434671

>I'm Asian
>No one is more racist than white people

C'mon now you should know how racist Asians and black people in older generations often are to each other (this is coming from a black person); it all depends on the person and how they were raised/choose to behave.

AND FUCK YOUR GAY AS RACE BAITING BULLSHIT YOU FAGGOTS. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. POST PICS OF CUTE GIRLS SO I CAN BEAT MY MEAT BEFORE BED

>>10434193
SEX TRAFFICKING? LOLITA IS ABOUT SEX TRAFFICKING?

>>10434676
Asians being racist to each other hits different, though. It’s probably not fair but it does. Being told “you don’t count as Asian” in high school by white friends made me feel more shit than anything other Asians have said to me. Maybe that’s just personal though, everyone has different experiences.

>>10434681
Here’s the (You) you so desperately crave

>>10434683

I know how you feel, but for me it felt worse being told by black people I wasn't one of them or being called white and all. Even now other black people tell me I'm not black for wearing lolita or liking Japanese culture at all. It's barely becoming normalized to be a black weeb thank god cause it's annoying hearing people who are supposedly "my people" tell me I don't count.

>>10434683
>“you don’t count as Asian”
East Asians say this to SEAs, middle easterners, and Indians all the time

>>10434684
I was actually just responding to the twitter post and didn't see the other capslock abuse posts from the shitposter when I made my post.
>Sex trafficking though? Ridiculous.

Why is every lolibrary AP stock photo a picture for ants? I hate it...

>>10433988
how tf do you guys still like AP? this is the ugliest shit i've seen yet.....

>>10434687
I’m Japanese, and they were referring to how “white” I am since I grew up in a white area and didn’t hang out with other Asians. It had nothing to do with not being a “real Asian” which is still bullshit.

>>10434676
That's not racism. BIPOC can definitely perpetuate white supremacy though.

>>10434698
>didn’t hang out with other Asians
sounds like you do have some issues tbf. no reason to actively avoid your own people

>>10434701
is there seriously a "only whites can be racist" retard on this board? go back to tumblr pls

>>10434702
Until high school, I was the only Japanese person in my classes. The other Asians would clique together and speak their own language which personally I don’t have a problem with, but I’m not going to hang out with people whose language I can’t speak.

Well. I tried my hand at the bloodbath Ice Cream Parlor jewelry release. The servers crashed when I added the pink necklace to my cart. I got it to load finally and it looked like my other card was going to work... but no dice. It sold.

Praying to the brand gods my SS is able to get it or that I have divine internet speed the day of the US release.

>>10434706
I tried too anon and was able to get like 4 things in my cart but my CC bounced. It sucks because when AP/Tenso first launched I was able to place an order with no issues.

I just don't understand in this day and age how they can be so negligent of their customers outside of Japan/China

>>10434674
>250
Damn your a fat fuck. My boyfriend is super beefy and tall but he’s still under 200 pounds...

>>10434707
It’s annoying that AP makes it so hard to order as a foreigner. They clearly care about their international customers on some level or they wouldn’t have store in other countries but they won’t take time to set up international shipping.

>>10434707
>I just don't understand in this day and age how they can be so negligent of their customers outside of Japan/China
If most of their stuff sells out anyway, why would they put any additional effort into catering to the western comm? Unlike other brands, they really don't need your business

>>10434710
They don't need the business sure, but why offer any sort of "international" option when it doesn't work? Just say that you won't ship overseas.

They want the exclusivity, it's always been apart of their brand culture. Lolita on the whole is like this but AP is notorious for it nearly every release. It's getting old

Lol I forgot about the ICP release, but it’s not like I would have had luck anyway. Now waiting for scalpers.

>>10434713
It's insane that they could be selling twice the amount they already do, but deliberately choose not to.

>>10434715
Yes, fucking this

>>10434707
Wow, 4 things? How did you manage even getting that much into your cart? I was just shooting for that necklace and I failed. I've kinda written off AP Japan website releases now because I think just the physical distance from Japan makes my internet millisecond too slow.

I feel really dumb for saying this, but I feel like such a loser when I can't even get one item I want during a release. I guess AP is just my abusive lover. Rip.

>>10434709
I've said this before but... you know there's a problem when it's easier to buy through an SS than a brand's website with your own credit card.

>>10434715
Like they print money already, why wouldn't they want more financial security especially now when the future of small brands (small is in not corporations) is uncertain? I just don't get it.

>>10434718
I think I was initially lucky and just added what I could as soon as the items went live. I had pink and red socks, the yellow ring, and yellow necklace. Was able to get to checkout and that's when my CC bounced twice, and after the second time items began to disappear in my cart. I wasn't too crushed over this but I feel bad for people who have been waiting for 2 months for this release. But really anon don't beat yourself up. AP's business model is faulty, not you.

>>10434722
I see. I noticed the yellow colorways of the jewelry went last. I was sitting for at least a minute for each page to load.

I was actually the anon that zoomed in on images of the fashion show with Ice Cream Parlor models months and months ago and posted images here. I talked about how you could see there was some kind of new necklace they were wearing. This was way before it showed up on Candy's instagram.

>>10434722
The worst thing about it all is knowing that the US store usually only gets one of each item. That means literally hundreds of people are fighting for one necklace and it just fucking sucks. Like gee thanks for our scraps.

>>10434722
>>10434723
This image, actually. I had to recapture it because I've gotten a new phone since then. I remember not many people cared when I brought it up, but you can see it so clearly now.

>>10434728
Was it ever confirmed that they actually get so little? Why even pay shipping at that point...

>>10434702
NTA but you generally get shunned by your own race if you’re too white washed.

>>10434657
Lmao okay tell that to half of my hispanic family who constantly tells me I'm white because I don't know Spanish and because I look white.
Stop talking out your ass. Anyone can be racist regardless of race.

I went to the wiki article on Lolita fashion to see if there really was any info on it being related to child trafficking, and I didn’t find anything, but I did find out that the government appointed 3 ambassadors of Kawaii in 2009 including Misako who was appointed to promote Lolita around the world.

So if a country of origin is actively trying to get people around the world to engage with their culture, I can’t see much wrong with taking part in it.

Scalped Ice Cream Parlor stuff is filling the first page of fril. Someone already commented to purchase the 8,800 necklace. It's only been 2.5 hours.

Just kill me now, please.

>>10434759
it's really heartbreaking as an AP fan who would have liked to buy this but knowing there was zero chance as soon as it was announced... Doesn't Angelic Pretty see these instant scalping listings, do they not give a shit anymore or?

>>10434759
i bought that necklace lmao, i didn't have much hope for my SS so i caved
> fully aware i'm part of the problem...

>>10434759
29,500 is pretty good for an OP.

>>10434738
My ex's Mexican family did shit like this.
Also I just learned not to say Hispanic but it's up to you.

>>10434728
>the US store usually only gets one of each item.
The fuck? When I went in 2018 they had multiple of several prints.

>>10434764
Honestly, even though I hate the scalping, if I can't get the necklace from AP USA, I'd cave and pay the 8,800 yen.

I'm kind of hoping they do a second round of jewelry production like they did for the Fancy Candy Jewelry and Deco Heart.

I'm cringing that the other dumb "princess-y"/classic jewelry has basically not been touched on AP's site because it's so underwhelming.

>>10434771
yeah, I'm not in the US so I never even wait to try there (the conversion rate to AUD and shipping cost is particularly horrendous so)

>>10434728
What’s the point? Is it just for show?

>>10434765
Yeah, but no one likes that color.

>>10434771
The sad part is knowing that even if they do a second round, a lot of us will still be disappointed

New: >>10434824

>>10434738
Being told you're white because you are isn't racist.

>>10434790
That person hasn't been to the store. That isn't what it's like.

>>10434163
OP is not even Japanese, they're Taiwanese-Canadian